Giants, Ryan Vogelsong Reach Two-Year Deal
by Grant Brisbee on Jan 11, 2012 5:06 PM PST
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The San Francisco Giants have agreed to terms with right-handed pitcher Ryan Vogelsong on a two year contract with a club option for 2014, club Senior Vice President and General Manager Brian Sabean announced today. Per club policy, financial terms were not disclosed.
First reaction: Happy for him.
Second reaction: If he's 75% as good this season, this is still a cost-effective move.
Third reaction: Please don't be for a silly amount of money.
I'm guessing two years, $8.5 million, with the option being pretty hefty. MLB Trade Rumors projected Vogelsong's arbitration award would have been around $2.5 million, so that would be something like $6 million to buy out a year of free agency. Not exactly cheap, but a decent gamble. If he pitches as well as his FIP from last year, the Giants made a great move. Heckuva if, right there.
Fourth reaction: Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain.
Edit: two years, $8.3 million. It cost him $200K to make me look stupid. I hope he's satisfied.
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I want details fffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuu
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
we could make some up for you….
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yes, we got the reference.
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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Kill the joke more.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
OOOOOOOOOOOH.
Got it. Thanks.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Spice it up!
That’s Affeldt, Lopez, Cabrera, Whiteside money!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Guys, we can’t extend Matt Cain and he’ll walk this year, but don’t worry—we signed Vogelsong! How cool is that?! Guys?
Apparently
signing Vogelsong excludes the Giants from signing Cain.
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If we had signed Cain or [Tim] Lincecum, we would have been without all our crappy players —obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
I'm getting angry right now
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The funny thing about Sabean’s “team of average no superstar” thing is that he’s never actually run a good team that fit that model.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Who was the superstar in 10?
Posey I guess? Lincecum? There was like 10 stars but no real "super"star…
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Lincecum was great. Cain was borderline great. Huff got MVP votes.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
Torres was probably one of the top 5 CFs in the league.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Wilson had his Robb Nen impression year.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
yeah
But that’s what I mean, it was spread out among various players. Though I guess that’s how most WS teams do it
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It’s not really spreading out superstardom over multiple players so much as it is having multiple superstars, which still doesn’t really describe the strategy that leads to Sabean’s oft-stated preference.
I mean, his “Have six above average guys for the price of two really great ones” strategy works when two of those above average guys have really great seasons – like Huff and Torres, or Ross’s and Burrell’s handful of months. But that’s not something you can expect when you sign six above average guys. It’s the kind of thing you can only hope like hell for when you sign six above average guys.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
I’m not sure why I’m defending Sabean. WTF.
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Good to see you here...were you on sabatical?
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I think we sometimes tend to forget that Lincecum is a superstar
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by giant4life83 on Jan 11, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
I just read the BP article on this comment (from Feb. 2004)
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2545
I don’t know if there was a follow-up article that compared the predictions to the outcomes, but there it is. Sabean’s going to do this again.
So Sabean’s safety-in-numbers approach this off-season may have bought the Giants around 36 runs compared to doing nothing, but using the same money to get Guerrero would have bought them—based on the projections above—quite a bit more: 47 runs by this estimate, 11 more runs, or just over one more win, than Sabean’s approach. Plus it would have put them in a better position for the next few years, and would have given them a credible core for making the transition to a post-Bonds era. Gary Sheffield’s not nearly as young as Vlad, but projects to have similar offensive impact for the next two or three years. The numbers confirm what our intuition told us: The Giants would be better off with one Vladimir Guerrero than with a whole bunch of Jim Browers and Pedro Felizes.
I would say “team of above average.”
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well, whatever you want to call it, he’s never won with it.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
The team was pretty much average to above average at the start of the year.
And the premium talent was already in place and under team control.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Well, okay, there is a flaw in my argument in that Sabean’s quote is about free agent talent, and many of the Giants superstars were in-house.
But I don’t know how much that damages my point. All of Sabean’s greatest successes have come with teams that had multiple superstar performances. And if you’re looking to acquire superstar performances in the future, it seems to me that logic dictates you are able to maximize your chances by targeting actual superstars.
Especially as a long-term strategy. Getting a superstar season out of Huff was awesome, but that only netted us a regression (and then some). Sabean has kind of had a lot of success getting one-year wonders out of his certified spare parts signings, but then the next year we have A Huff or a Snow or a Ross or a Winn who can’t really duplicate that.
You roll the dice every year you rely on average or above average acquisitions playing above their station. That dice roll would go away if you just bring in the really good players.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Now someone will come in and argue that most baseball teams do what Brian Sabean does, because it’s impossible to have really good players at every position unless you’re the Yankees of the Red Sox.
Well, I certainly didn’t name every position.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
It strikes me – and I know I have made this argument before – that it’s more about risk distribution.
If the Giants could count on two-win seasons at every position, then I’d be a lot more antsy to see a Fielder signing. But we’re already at the point where we are spending a combined $2M on our top 3 shortstops.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Um
All of Sabean’s greatest successes have come with teams that had multiple superstar performances.
Is there an example of a championship team WITHOUT multiple superstar performances?
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The Yankees
A bunch of everyday Joe’s who just love to play game.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Perhaps this is an argument for not signing a bunch of below average dudes?
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And yet everyone is drooling on the Diamondbacks. Odd.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Heh. We’ve probably got just as many crappy MI as they do.
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At least we already had those crappy players under team control for the league minimum!*
*Some Melkys may not apply
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Yeah, I was about to say.
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At least it’s only for one year.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Hopefully less than that!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
You see them trading him halfway through the season?
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I’ve mentioned this before, but in a perfect world, Belt plays well, Huff plays well, and Cabrera plays well but is ultimately made redundant due to the presence of Huff and Belt, allowing them to move him at the deadline for prospects or a marginally useful middle infielder.
I don’t expect it to happen, but a boy can dream*.
*For players who aren’t a bad fit for their organization
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
lololol
Expecting Belt to get playing time
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Huff's gone after next year.
It behooves the club to get Belt 400 PAs.
And if he hits, he’ll play.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
And if he hits, he’ll play.
This is basically my issue. He should be allowed to play, regardless.
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so if Huff and Cabrera are both hitting and Belt not so much. They should play Belt?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 8:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
so if Huff and Cabrera are both hitting and Belt not so much. They should play Belt?
If we’re still in the range of SSS/BABIP shenanigans and he’s not eating the bat when he steps up to home plate, absolutely.
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I mean, Christ. This is how John Bowker gets annointed the starting LF and loses his job entirely 2 weeks later.
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what a horrible decision that turned out to be.
Belt will play a lot this year
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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 8:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I think the point was more the problem in the decision making process.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Like I said, he’s expected to be taking over 1B duties, and unless he’s in Fresno for the year (hint: he won’t be), they need to be getting him ready for the transition when Huff leaves after this season. If anyone’s PT will suffer, it’s probably Nate.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I think it’s still ridiculous that we have no idea if Nate is a ML caliber player.
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I think we’ve learned that he is, at the very least, a solid 4th OF. What we don’t know is if he can hit enough to be an everyday corner outfielder. Which is a shame.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Right, I meant a starter.
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I’d even be okay with 2/10
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:09 PM PST reply actions
quick the barn door!!!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
xx
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Does this mean we have to view Urban as a reliable source now?
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Except when it comes to former A's
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
I noticed that Baggs said this:
The deal was first reported by Mychael Urban of 95.7 The Game.
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hahahahahahaha
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
a good job to tehUrbz
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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions
I always forget what an incredible story Vogelsong was last year.
From the Baggs article:
Before replacing Zito, Vogelsong hadn’t appeared in a major league game in almost five years.
Last year was such a letdown/clusterfuck that I think I blocked anything good that happened.
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I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
2010 was pretty much a crap fest too… ’cept there were cherries on top.
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the last half of 2010 was about as good as it gets for a baseball fan.
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mmmmmmmmmmm…. no…. September and October were super-de-duper… the rest of it, not so much.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
agreed
Posey started catching full time, put up 21 game hit streak, lead team to tie ML lead in runs for July. Went from 4th to first in 3 months. That was awesome. Oh yea postseason ruled too.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 11, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions
November and December were pretty awesome
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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:16 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
august was the only month that really sucked
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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August is the cruelest month
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august, die she must
the autumn winds blow chilly and cold
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sorta
Only big issue was Tim. Padres lost 10 in a row that month.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Any complaining from a Giants fan about 2010 is uh...something
That’s like having the best meal of your life at a restaurant and then complaining because the toothpicks aren’t pointy at both ends
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Complaining now is a bit silly, but at the time we called it torture.
With good reason.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
that makes more satisfying.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn’t call it complaining. It’s a sense of perspective. Some people talk about 2010 like it was this magical no doubt wonderful experience from beginning to end. For me, remembering that it was a flawed team that had a horrible August and a May/June that spawned such things as the StarWars thread, Bye Bye Botchy, and sarcastic photoshops… only to turn it around and have a glorious Sept and Oct gives me hope that it could happen again. And fear that the FO considers it a plan, “it worked in 2010!”
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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
2003 was pretty awesome
It was the last year that I remember when it felt like the Giants were absolutely going to win every day that season.
Of course, Jose Cruz eventually happened, but the majority of that season was a walk in the park.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Jose Cruz was awesome that year
I don’t understand your point. I don’t think you do either.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions
Perhaps I didn’t understand your point. Cruz WAS awesome that year, but gets a lot of flack for dropping a couple of key balls.
Plus, it was just a joke.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
In all fairness, non-pointy toothpicks are worth complaining over
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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
If Vogelsong had emerged in 2010, that would have really made it more unreal than it already was
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by giant4life83 on Jan 11, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions
A lot of people did. That’s why I don’t fully buy the, “We’ll be better this year because of all the injuries and bad things that happened last year, we can’t have that bad of luck again.”
People forget how incredibly lucky we were that Vogelsong pitched even half as well as he did and Sandoval didn’t repeat his 2010 season. Nate had his best season with the bat, by far, and Tim and Matt stayed healthy for another season.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
So is it unreasonable to expect Sandoval to repeat his 2009 season?
When he was healthy, he resembled that in ’11 more than his 2010 self.
Assuming he’s uninjured this year, it would seem we have more evidence toward expecting improvement than failure.
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Is it unreasonable to expect Sandoval to repeat his 2009? No.
Is it unreasonable to expect Sandoval to repeat his 2010? No.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
While you are not incorrect,
doesn’t 2010 make up the smaller part of the sample size here? If a guy has basically 2 good years, and one less than good year, I’m leaning on optimism. If not for injuries, he was on a beastmode pace last year.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Going forward, yes, but as it pertains to going into last year, I think it was more likely that we’d get 2010 Pablo. We were hoping for 2009, and it wasn’t unreasonable to think we might get 2009, but it was fortunate for us that he did rebound.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
Unless you have a Tardis, going forward in time is the only option we have left.
;)
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Ok, but you’re still allowed to talk about the past though, right? Because my comment was about the past.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
I traveled here all the way from 1985.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions
I will feel better after seeing some right-handed Sandoval at bats
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
YAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve never been happier for an athlete than I am for him. What an awesome story. Even if he sucks, he deserves the money for how good he was last season.
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Thanks to roger
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11/1/10
Can't talk, football
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What an odd nickname for kdl.
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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
we have a secret code
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LOL
There’s no way that Vogelsong is making LOOGY money next year…
by jhawx on Jan 11, 2012 5:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Now Sabean will say they are on track this offseason.
This is his big move for the pitching. Don’t mind the other guys.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Morosi
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Source: #SFGiants’ deal with Ryan Vogelsong is two years (plus option) at $8 million
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by Gobroks on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Called it!
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I can deal.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
I mean he was worth 12 million last year. I don’t expect that this year, but he earned it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions
Good
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
yay!
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Wow
I like that deal.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
yeah that's a pretty team-friendly deal
low risk, high reward, and not locking us into any kind of major outlay.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 11, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
It really bothers me that he’s getting less money than Javier Lopez.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
yeah
but arbitration
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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
WELL DONE SABES
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ok i'm cool with this
he doesn’t have to be very good to make back up the salary
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Barry Zito was a 2-win pitcher in 2009 and 2010, with a 4.25 FIP and about 195 IP.
Giants are getting a fair rate.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
And he is financially set for life
So both got what they wanted.
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Mutually beneficial deals are awesome.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Grant, your fourth reaction was my first.
But so far this seems to be acceptable spending.
/moves Vogelsong’s locker as far away from Huff’s as possible
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
In addition to Cain
I’d still like to see a 1 year deal for Oswalt.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:39 PM PST reply actions
YES
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11/1/10
1 year, $28 million.
I’d think about it.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
lol Zito
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Option can't vest per Baggs (via Bobby Evans)
Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs
Vogelsong’s option year has no vesting language, VP Bobby Evans tells me. Report from @jonmorosi pegs value at $8 million guaranteed
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And then there's this.
Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Lincecum’s agent tells me there has been no dialogue with #SFGiants in at least a month. Both sides exchange arb figures 1 week from today.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
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#SFGiants VP Bobby Evans said he has had “healthy, ongoing dialogue” with Matt Cain’s agents about an extension.
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Evans on Lincecum: “You do the best you can to find common ground, I remain optimistic we will.”
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Gotta ove Bobby Evans
From today’s “Extra Baggs”:
But as Evans told me today, "Hey, I can multitask."
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Ugh.
I feel that one will get nasty.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
practically guaranteed
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
If so, one can only hope it’s because Lincecum’s camp is being unreasonable, and not the other way around.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I seem to remember that Chris Lincecum was really pissed about how the first arbitration went down.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
I will talk to my son.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Meh
Weaver had arbitrary dispute with the Angels last year
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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Major difference is
the Angels had money they were willing to spend on him.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Timmy will make in his arbitrary year
than Weaver as a FA
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
make a out as much as
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wait
do the Giants have to pay extra for Nicole?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Stupid add comment issue
for the apparently again
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
for the app
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Whoa…
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
Not really true
The Giants would offer Weaver’s contract (5years for $85M) to Cain right now and walk away from the table with a huge smile on their faces if Cain accepted it. I really doubt that the issue between the Giants and Cain is going to come down to $$$. The Gaints have money to spend on Cain, the question is does Cain want to remain a Giant? If Cain doesn’t agree to a contract extension framework in the next 8 weeks then it’s seems pretty obvious to me that he doesn’t want to remain a Giant.
The only 3 things that I see that might possibly be sticking points between Cain and the Giants:
1. Cain wants to move closer to his Tennessee roots.
2. Cain wants to pitch for a team that will score some runs for him – and where he’s not likley to end up with a career W/L record that’s barely over .500.
3. Cain wants an 8 year contract.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
They're talking about Lincecum
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
SHUT YO MOUTH!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
SHUT LARS' MOUTH TOO WHILE YOU'RE AT IT
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
My bad
I had Matt Cain on my brain. That being said, everything that I wrote about Cain and the Giants goes double for Timmy and the Giants, except substitute Seattle for Tennessee. I don’t see Timmy going for the highest bid in free agency. I don’t think that he wants to play for the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Nationals, the Rangers or Detroit – I think that he’ll stay in the Western part of the USA. And 5 for $85M would be something that the Giants would sign him to in a millisecond if he were crazy enough to accept it.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Cain on the brain, insane in the membrane
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
#4 and superseding
The Giants don’t offer him 5 years/$85 M
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
I have a hard time believing that Lincecum would accept a 5 year deal for less than $20M AAV.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I joined the Fla-Giant discussion of Cain
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
Er, or Cain for that matter. I’m expecting it’ll probably take 5/100 to get it done.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Rays are about to extend Maddon's contract
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:45 PM PST reply actions
I thought this was gonna say Moore for a second.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions
Reds just gave their new closer Vogelsong money for 1 year.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:47 PM PST reply actions
The 49ers’ playoff anthem is awful. I am so glad the Giants got Don’t Stop Believin’ (and at least Ashkon was bearable).
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Honey badger don't care
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:50 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
is able
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:02 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Per earlier
P and C report date: 2/19
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Bud Selig
He currently earns more than $22MM per year.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/bud-selig-to-receive-extension.html
What the fuck?
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
MLB revenues set a record this year
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions
MLB franchised him
Selig has to earn the average of the top five commissioners
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
YAY VOGEY!
Now get a deal done with Cain, dammit!
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Cain next please!
"I don't get out of bed, for a million bucks!"
- Edgar Renteria or a hooker bribing a family man?
?
huh?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
he's not really making $26 mil
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Shift A
Yeah, cause the number one pitching extension of this offseason should totally be Vogelsong. That makes total sense.
Happy for him, but, yeah: Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum please.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
it was probably the easiest deal to get done.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Bobby Evans on Lincecum:
"With Lincecum, my expectations is there will always be discussions until there’s a deal," Evans said. "There is never anything less than maximum effort on both sides to come to terms in as timely a fashion as reasonably possible. Whether it results in (an arbitration) hearing or not, you can’t always control. You do the best you can to find common ground, I remain optimistic we will."
On Cain:
The Giants have been just as public in their desire to wrap up a long-term extension with Matt Cain, who is under contract for $15 million this season but will be a free agent at the end of the year. Unlike Lincecum, Cain isn’t tied to the arbitration schedule. So there was the assumption the Giants might wait until after they clear their arbitration docket (they have Angel Pagan, Melky Cabrera, Sergio Romo, Nate Schierholtz, Santiago Casilla and others to prepare for, too) before turning their attention to Cain.
But as Evans told me today, "Hey, I can multitask."
Evans confirmed that the club has spoken with Cain’s representatives in recent days. He described the talks as "very healthy dialogue and it’s ongoing."
Source: Baggs
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
So Vogey shows up with a pen eager to sign a fair deal and the Giants should have told him "Not now, we're busy"?
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Okay, this I never knew.
Via Wikipedia:
In the early years of Candlestick Park, the Giants home stadium, the area behind right field was open except for three small bleacher sections. When McCovey came to bat, typically those bleachers would empty as the fans positioned themselves on the flat ground hoping to catch a McCovey home run ball – anticipating the gathering of boats in McCovey Cove, a generation later, when Barry Bonds would bat.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
That is awesome. I knew about the open area but not about the McCovey…Lot?
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
All the kids would run there with their gloves
They believed and would yell “Willie Mac, hit it to me!”
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Teaser..
keithlaw keithlaw 52s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Ask in chat tmrw - answer too long "dkmuldoon: I know it’s not a super-consequential move, but thoughts on Vogelsong for 2/$8?"
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I have no idea why the font ended up like that
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Ask in chat tmrw
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jan 11, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
oh my, we’d all wear out our “@” keys.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
really?
answer is too long? how complicated can it possibly be?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
he is too busy counting money
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Dude needs website hits.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Nice capper
I know that technically they’re not connected, but I think this re-acquisition and re-signing makes the Vogelsong + Our-Mando for Schmidt deal Sabean’s best ever. Wotta swindle!
(Previously, I’d go with Hamilton for Burks because challenge trades are much harder to win so convincingly.)
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Pirate FO should never take
a call from the Giants ever again.
Schmidt
Morris
Sanchez
Lopez
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I’m not sure lumping Sanchez and Lopez in there with Schmidt and Morris is right. It’s more like:
Schmidt
Morris
Sanchez
Lopez
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Uh...
Lopez was pretty crucial to the postseason success. I’d move it up to the top bracket.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
That just means we got good value from it. It doesn’t mean they got ripped off or could have gotten better value for their trade piece.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions
Bowker and Martinez? Both guys who did absolutely nothing for them?
I guess I could agree that if they aren’t contending anyway, Lopez doesn’t do them much good anyway, but as far as productivity goes, I don’t see how they weren’t fleeced.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions
feel good story is worth at least 8 mil, no?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I’ve got a Steelers friend whose birthday is coming up in a week. I’ve convinced my friends to chip in for a Tim Tebow replica jersey. Is this a good idea or a great idea?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
She’s really annoying about the Steelers.
And I’m a huge troll.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
end zone.
You know.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
End zone
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions
WINK WINK
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I don’t get it
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
I'll bet you do, you Canadian ponce.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Steeler fan, brought it upon theirself.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Pretty much. She’s from Seattle, started at Pitt in 2005, and rooted for the Steelers over the Seahawks in the Superbowl. That’s all kind of messed up.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
So, you’re using the term “fan” pretty loosely.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
No, no, she’s definitely a Steelers fan. She has actual Steelers gear that she wore to our Superbowl party last year (LOL HER!). I think she just wasn’t interested in the NFL until 2005, but she’s definitely followed them since then.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don't know how any human can root for this (WARNING: THOSE WITH WEAK CONSTITUTIONS SHOULD TURN AWAY):
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
WHAT IF I LIKE FANCY HATS?!
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Looks like he about to leave to a costume party. He is going as Alec Baldwin's THE SHADOW
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
gives Boch a run for his money
Boch stil wins, but yeesh
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
GREAT
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
PS
I had the opportunity to dine near Georgia Frontiere and got her to sign a photo of her celebrating the opening game of the St Louis Rams; alas, my friend the LA Rams fan was none too pleased. Excellent.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
The only birthday present worthy for a Steelers fan is to fling a bag of burning dog poop at their front door from a speeding vehicle.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
She lives in an apartment on the third floor. I don’t think my arm is that good.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don’t think I could even manage a ground floor throw, anyway.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Design some sort of cannon.
You may even win an award.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Locally sourced!
Looks pretty sweet.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Can you get a Steelers jersey (of any sort) with Tebow’s name and number on it, and act confused when she points out the error?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Custom NFL Jersey
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
idk if they let you
get jerseys for current players’ last names with the same number they wear IRL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Bummer :(
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Yeah, they don’t.
League player names must match current team rosters and the team for which they currently play
WHAT IF HER LAST NAME WAS TEBOW?!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I thought there might be something screwy like that, that’s why I wrote “of any sort”
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Get a black jersey with the appropriate yellow lettering from some shady t-shirt shop and then say when you give it “We had a really hard time finding this”
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Yeah, it doesn’t even let you proceed if you enter “Tebow” under the name field.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
TEI30W
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
HAHAH!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Unfortunately, you can’t put in numbers, or that would be unbelievably brilliant.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Teebow? Teboe? Teabow?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Teabeau
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Like Goofus, not really a Patsy
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Bummer
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Thiebaud pie and cakes
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Amy G with the Greatest (WORST) Explanation Ever
Amy Gutierrez @AmyGGiants
“Club” option = Team option RT @Adeer1: @AmyGGiants What does Cub option mean?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
They don't call them ballteams!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It means you’re able to sign the player, but the Cubs pay for the salary. Just added into the 2012 CBA
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions
Read again, it really means
The little bear has choices.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Boo Boo can eat pin-a-nic baskets...or Rangers
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Should he produce offspring with a bear, the resulting spawn is legally your property.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Cub option means the player has the choice to tank the season and enjoy life in Chicago instead.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
I thought it meant
He could add bacon to any sandwich at the pregame spread.
GIANTS BASEBALL: HOPE LIKE HELL!
So has anyone eaten at F McKintocks in Pismo?
Best stake I have ever had.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Yeah, it was a little strange inside. Plus the whole water pour thing is weird
But the filet fell apart in my mouth. It was amazing.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Didn't get them. And no one was brave enough for the Turkey Nuts.
I had the BBQd half artichoke. It was amazing.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
couldn’t afford to eat there until I had graduated from Cal Poly and paid off my loans! What were you doing down that way?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Work conference at the Embassy Suites up the freeway in SLO
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
The one next to The Madonna
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
if you have time, also try Cafe Roma in town near the train station. As excellent as you’ll find.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Already back in Fresno. But if I am ever back, I'll get right on it.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
uh?
Vampire restaurant?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
F McKlintocks I mean.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
....
quiet you.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Actually I went booze free, I was feeling ill yesterday.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Was the dialogue a little wooden?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
YOU ARE TOO LATE
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Not bad, but I prefer AJ Spurs down the freeway a few miles.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
ok, enough here with the laughing
/time to watch some sitcoms
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Uh huh
Cody Ross @IamCodyRoss
@Bossmom13 OMGosh!!! My mom is on twitter!!!!! Words of advise: Don’t talk shish about me cause she will respond with vengeance!
Retweeted by Andrew Baggarly
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I guess she doesn’t know about his brief tenure as a Dodger
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
That tweet contains a lot of failure.
by Every6thDay on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Even Baggs gives Cain no love
Vogelsong, 33, also joined Lincecum and Brian Wilson on the NL All-Star team
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Sandoval
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
How quick the correction?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Cody Ross @IamCodyRoss 2 Jan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@Bossmom13 OMGosh!!! My mom is on twitter!!!!! Words of advise: Don’t talk shish about me cause she will respond with vengeance!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Braking!
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Out your window or on the bewb tube?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
We’re watching Frasier.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Now we're watching NOVA
It’s about trying to recreate the bombing of German dams during WWII. My husband lives for this shit.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
We’re dvr’ing that.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
It’s amazing how much my hippy, pacifist husband loves this WWII crap. Fascination with Nazis seem to come bundled with a set of balls.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
To bomb you all with another link.
A guitar great on WWII movies (see last question)
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
There’s an Inside the Clubhouse on right now, trying to figure out if we’ve seen it before.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Saw that one.
The one about Buster & Freddy rehab is supposed to air next week, I think.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
featured prominently in the film of The Wall!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You have command of the Wall.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
night falls and so my watch begins
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL
YOU NEED ME ON THAT WALL
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
It shall not end until my death
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
Connections
Any one in Cafe Nervosa wearing a pouch?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
YA reply fail
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What a farce you've landed us in.
Hey baby, I hear the blues a’ calling tossed salad and scrambled eggs…oh my.
by ohcleverhansyou on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
MLB Network is counting down top 40 memorable LCS moments.
Pujols’ unicorn shot is coming up for any that are interested.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
(“Unicorn shot”?)
Not many right-handed hitters can turn on a high and inside 96-mph fastball from an RHP.
by non sequitur on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Ah.
Brad Lidge must be one of those rare, lucky people who suffered a huge playoff letdown but succeeded in a second chance.
by non sequitur on Jan 11, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions
I just remember how this seemed to destroy Lidge.
Took him a year to recover.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
It did, and his 2008 was golden. But I’m looking on BBRef now and actually some of his peripherals weren’t all that great — 35 walks in 69.1 innings, for instance.
by non sequitur on Jan 11, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
My favorite part is the way the unicorn is nuzzling his bat.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Alexi Ogando knows
he will never be the same
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
OT: the Velvet Underground has sued the Andy Warhol foundation
Which side are you on, boy?
I barely know what one of those things are.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Is Lou Reed a part of the suit? If so, I side with him.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
I am on Niko's side
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 6:53 AM PST up reply actions
I’m glad that re-signing a potential one-year-wonder was more important than signing poor Matt Cain. No one really does want to sit at his table :(
Ok so I’m fucking pissed. I managed to come up with great tickets and nearly impossible to get backstage passes for the chili peppers show at the Oracle Feb 18th as part of my Valentines Day surprise for Britney and now Keidis just had surgery and the tour is postponed until August. That was like my big thing I was doing for her and now I need a really good idea. She makes a big deal out of Valentines Day and I have to come up with something totally awesome now; quiet dinner and a movie or whatever isn’t really our speed. Suggestions?
<3 Kanani Madison
as to point no. 1
Vogelsong’s deal came first because 1) he is up for arbitration and 2) it is a much easier deal to complete.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Dick in a box.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Jan 12, 2012 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Rec.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I don’t know what I’d do without you people. Probably be closer to normal, I’d imagine…
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
With the Chili Peppers it’s more like dick in a sock.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know a guy who did this for Valentine's Day.
It did not end well.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And remember kids, if you put in the popcorn box, unbuttered, unsalted popcorn would be advisable.
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I disagree.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Caution
Johnny Disaster’s dick may contain MSG.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
It gives women headaches.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
That’s what Viliphied told me.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
100% Natural, and a headache cure to boot!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Ok just unsalted
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Better get the bucket
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
I am naturally salty!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
this is not your fault, right?
You still have the tickets? then what is the problem? I am assuming it was going to be a surprise. You can extend Valentines day into August. A nice dinner date and an explanation, I am sure she will understand….if not never mind I have enough enemies
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 AM PST up reply actions
no its not my fault. but that doesn’t mean I’m giving up (see below comment on learning and singing Don’t Forget Me). I’m still knocking this one out of the park
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
Learn to play the guitar & perform her favorite RHCP song for her. Or just sing it & record it.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
Ah, another reason why I love my wife. If I ever tried to do this, neither one of us could keep a straight face after like the first 5 seconds.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
which is also why this is a really good idea. The first half of songs are typically easier to learn and I’d never make it past a minute before we’d bust up laughing.
and its the thought that counts. You are a gold mine!
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
def not more important
The time tables push the arb cases before established contracts, but in Cain’s case, the Giants and his agent are talking.
I will be pissed if he leaves after this year, but I will hold my breath until then.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions
I hate Valentine’s Day. That is the worst of the Hallmark bullshit, IMHO. Trying to something nice for your SO shouldn’t be so stressful.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
We’ve had a tradition of combining our birthdays and valentines and going to the Giants home opener and the Sharks home regular season closer. but we’re old and decided about 6 or 7 years ago that experiences were more important than stuff.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
This. My “birthday present” is going to see They Might Be Giants, 3 weeks after my birthday.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Oh how fun! TMBG were Christmas presents awhile back. Where are they playing? We saw them in SF it was a fun [tho weird] show.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
see, I like Valentines Day. Its that one day a year when really going over the top doesn’t make you look crazy. And girls really did seem to appreciate all the effort
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
Santiago Casilla will be making 1.3 million this year
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
OT - Dr. Rosanelli
Should Dwight Clark be “amazed with the results”, or amazed at the results?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
by tobias on Jan 12, 2012 6:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Man
I really don’t get how writers can unequivocally say that guys who aren’t borderline candidates and wouldn’t have been borderline candidates without steroids (Bonds, Clemens), they won’t vote for.
But someone like Andy Pettite, who is the definition of a borderline candidate and took HGH, is okay to vote for because he said he was sorry or something.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Jan 12, 2012 6:28 AM PST reply actions 7 recs
Im glad Roger Clemens got caught
I think people are still going to want him in the hall because how much the writers used to fanboy over him
but they wont be able to justify to themselves putting the rocket in and not bonds
so they will eventually vote for Bonds where if Bonds was still the alone as the “Poster Boy for Steroids” he might not have gotten their votes.
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jan 12, 2012 6:43 AM PST up reply actions
all the "i'll never vote for a roider!!!" articles I've seen so far
say that both Clemens and Bonds are NO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I may be naive,
But I think Bonds gets in too. Def not 1st ballot tho
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
I hope so and I hope not.
He should be a first ballot.
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
He should be first ballot,
I just don’t think he has a shot.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
BBWAA
I don’t think the BBWAA are necessarily a monolithic lot, but I do see plenty of writers for whom HOF voting is more about them. Here is their big annual chance to hold court, feed their sense of self-importance, and right past wrongs.
Sports writers like these really believe that they are the reason why people follow sports. They believe that it’s their colorful prose that excites and inspires, not the athletes and their performances. To writers like these, the perfectly-performed public apology (and it does have to be perfect) is the kissing of the ring. Without our great sports media, sports as we know them wouldn’t exist, nor would the mega-million dollar contacts that these athletes enjoy.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
by tobias on Jan 12, 2012 7:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Are the BBWAA even qualified to vote on the hall
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I thought it was technically their hall.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Perhaps I'm pessimistic by nature
But if a guy sucks for 10 years and then is good for one, why shouldn’t I think that the next year, he’s more likely to suck than be good?
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
and
it’s 4 million a year for two years. That 40% Blanton money
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:30 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yeah
Even as pissed as I have been at the front office this whole offseason, it is hard for me to get worked up for a 4 million a year for a 4th starter.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 7:32 AM PST up reply actions
It's certainly not more money than is reasonable
But it is most definitely more money than they had to spend. And for a team with, apparently, no money to upgrade their offense significantly, that bugs me.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I wont bite on that for 4 mil for a productive player
I will blame Rowand and Zito for not having that money.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions
Every dollar counts.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
he was coming back for $3 million this year due to arb and no alternative.
Huff, Rowand, Mole and Affeldt come off the books next year. They can spare the $4 million for a SP.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:41 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Did he?
From the Fangraphs analysis post:
While setting career highs in all of the major categories suggests that Vogelsong is likely a better pitcher than he was previously, his pitch data doesn’t necessarily support the idea that his prior career performances can be so easily ignored.
From 2003 to 2006, his fastball averaged 92.0 MPH. Last year, it was 91.4. Previously, opposing batters made contact with 82.7% of the pitches he threw. Last year, they made contact 83.4% of the time. He didn’t add any new pitches, didn’t make batters miss bats with any more regularity, and didn’t find the ability to pound the zone with strikes like never before. He basically threw the same stuff he threw before he went to Japan, only this time, it got him outs.
Maybe he just learned how to pitch. Maybe he hid the ball better. Or maybe Dave Righetti’s just a magician. There’s no real way to know exactly why Vogelsong got better results last year, and without an obvious explanation for the improvement, the risk of regression has to be considered higher than it would if we had some reasonable cause for the phenomenon.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/giants-extend-vogelsong/
I mean, it’s not a lot of money. But the Giants have now committed 23 million dollars over the next two years to Lopez, Affeldt, and Vogelsong. Shit adds up.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I chalk it up to the stellar defense at shortstop last season.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 7:33 AM PST up reply actions
and run support.
$4 million…that is not even 1 WAR. He was coming back this for $3 million anyways.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
He had a career low in BB/9. Maybe that helped.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 7:44 AM PST up reply actions
Sure
But why is that not a fluke? We have lots of data points that indicate he’s likely to walk a bunch more guys next season.
It’s not like this is some long-term turnaround. Vogelsong had a 4.81 ERA in AAA in 2010. He was legitimately terrible a year ago. And now he’s penned in as our #4 starter for the next two years because of one good season completely out of line with the path of his career?
I like Vogelsong. I absolutely wanted him to come back via arbitration, where he was set to make about 3 million dollars.
But tacking on another 5+ million in liability if he turns back into a pumpkin? Seems unnecessary.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
What seems unnecessary is the hand wringing over paying 4MM a year for two years to a fourth starter who (gasp!) might not work out. It is addressing the splinter while ignoring the 2×4.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
It's an inefficient allocation of resources in my opinion.
If you think me saying that qualifies as wringing my hands, then I’ll use extra moisturizer tonight.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'd rather they spend the money on the rotation than the bullpen.
While I am with you on the whole budget inefficiency thing, this deal — in a vacuum — is fine. That bullpen balderdash is really cocking up the math, though.
I’ll have Vic send you an email with brand recommendations.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
His BABIP was a little lower than his career but fangragh has him at 2.2 WAR even with a slightly higher BABIP this year.
Also his groundball rate was significantly higher than his career average but so was his HR/FB ratio.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:49 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
he also threw significantly fewer fastball while throwing more cutters and curveballs.
That resulted in a significant increase in GB percentage and GB/FB ratio.
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:55 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
That resulted in a significant increase in GB percentage and GB/FB ratio.
I mean, maybe? You don’t really know that.
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My suspicion is his cutter had a lot to do with it. When he’s on, that pitch looks nasty.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
It’s possible, and cutters and CBs do get more GBs. I’m debating more the certainty with which this was asserted.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah. The two are correlated, but the causation is of course the goal of this investigation. I doubt we’ll get any satisfying answers.
My impression from watching him remains that his success was a combination of good command of his pitches, his cutter in particular. There were definitely still days where he couldn’t locate his FB, and he leaned on his breaking stuff to keep hitters off balance rather than just try to pump in strikes and hope they didn’t sit in the middle of the plate.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Some good points by FG, although I’m pretty sure that Vogie did have much better command and control in 2011 than he had shown in his previous seasons.
One other note of caution, I’m pretty sure that the following was the overwhelming consensus around here when we signed Aubrey Huff to his 2 year deal last offseason – and that didn’t work out very well.
Second reaction: If he’s 75% as good this season, this is still a cost-effective move.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Odd argument, since it’s immediately apparent from looking at the pitch-type data the author cites that Vogelsong is throwing a considerably different mix of pitches than he used to.
More to the point, he’s throwing more strikes. Maybe that will continue and maybe it won’t, but it’s a huge difference between the Vogelsong of 2004-5 and the Vogelsong of today.
I don't know if it's anyone here
but some good analysis in the comment section of the FG article
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:12 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
maybe Dave Righetti’s just a magician
I am going with this
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions
bargaining chip for the Cain and Lincecum negotiations
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:59 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Players swung at 8% more pitches outside the zone than his career (so likely about 10% more than 2003-2006). I say that’s a big difference. He must have changed something.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
He also just looked like he was locating a lot better. Looking at the BB/9 in isolation is one thing, but when you remember that for a stretch he could hit a dime in the back of the catcher’s mitt, it tells you that something was clicking for him, at least for a while.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
According to him, he stopped worrying about making a perfect pitch and just threw the damn pitch that was called. That and I think his pitch selection improved (which may be the secret ingredient to Righetti sauce).
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF WHAT PITCH I THROW!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I am defentitley against this deal. Happy for Ryan but the FO should have just given him a nice one year deal and see how he did. And if that meant you lose him to FA he wouldn’t be that hard to replace.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions
He’s also quite good at hitting and fielding. If Vogelsong can pitch half so well as he did last year, he’s a bargain.
Plus it’s nice that he and his lovely wife get a big payday.
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Guess Who Part Whatever
OBP 1: .268
OBP 2: .253
OBP 3: .241 (note: this guy had a lot more power)
Nice article about Vogelsong
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:39 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Who is asking KLaw
about Vogelsong in his chat today?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:05 AM PST via Android app reply actions
You can say that again!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
the mobile app can be weirdly buggy. I hit submit once
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:07 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Who is asking KLaw
about Vogelsong in his chat today?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:05 AM PST via Android app reply actions
Weird
phone silliness again
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Glad he's back and glad he got paid
So give him his feel good money, and then trade him to the Mets next December for RA Dickey or something.
Bye Travis and thanks for 2010! Good luck with the Brewers!
The offense is a problem
But I am not going to continue to beat that drum every time the Giants spend their couch cushion money on something else. Based on the stuff we are hearing, it looks like the position player side of things is done from a Sabean perspective. I can still think that the front office’s belief that they have adequately addressed the team’s offense issues is stupid.
In other words, 4 million a year to Vogelsong matters little in the overall scheme of things. If lineups are like deckchairs on the Titanic, this signing is like a bandaid on that ship’s hull gash.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 8:09 AM PST reply actions
YOU ARE GETTING POSEY AND FREDDIE BACK!!!! AND THEN THERE’S MELKY AND THAT OTHER DUDE!!!!! THE OFFENSE WILL BE FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!!!!! NOW SHUT UP AND DRINK THE KOOL AID!
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Can I have something other than koolaid? Sunny D maybe?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:13 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I'm on board...
If it’s Tang. If not, NO DICE!
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Jan 12, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
4 million a year to Vogelsong matters little, sure.
So does 4 million a year to Lopez.
So does 5 million a year for Affeldt.
Hey, who’s that guy we coulda used who’s getting paid 13 million next year?
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That Titanic has sailed, GP
Read my post again. I agree that they haven’t addressed their offense issues.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions
Right
But I was objecting to the idea that it matters little. Contracts like this matter rather a lot, since teams give a lot of them out, and the opportunity cost of them, in sum, can be rather high.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
meh
They think they are done. I can think that opinion is stupid (and I do!) But at this point in time, it matters little. Their opportunity to do something useful this offseason is gone.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 8:27 AM PST up reply actions
Bumgarner?
Yea he would have outhit Huff I think
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
1) It would 9 million next year
2) You would still need to sign a decent 4th starter who would be about 5-6 million
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:22 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
4 million to Vogelson != 5 million to Affeldt or 4 million to Lopez.
What’s do you suggest we do instead of signing Vogelsong? If he pitches for us this year, he’s going to make at least 2.5 million in arbitration. We need 5 starters.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
A supersonic pitching staff...
…along with a league-averageish* offense can do good things.
A league-averageish offense seems pretty likely if one believes in ZiPS projections.
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Not only do you have to believe the ZiPS projections
You have to believe that no one will get hurt.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
other teams deal with the same randomness
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Other teams have more lineup depth.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
dude we have one of the top 10 prospects in all of baseball
and he couldn’t even crack the starting lineup. that’s DEPTH
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Bochy not putting him in the lineup is not the same thing as him not cracking the starting lineup.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
So he provides depth!
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It's not depth that matters.
It’s girth.
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How many teams actively aim for an average offense because they bank on historically great pitching year in and year out?
How many teams even have a prayer of having a rotation as stellar as the Giants?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Nobody else has top 5 SP and RP
At lease preseason unreliable rankings
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
I was just going off the rotation. Personally, I think bullpens are volatile and discount them entirely when figuring out (preseason) who does and does not have great pitching (Mariano Rivera excepted, of course).
you can't just arbitrarily ignore all the strength of the Giants because of inherent randomness
and complain that the one facet they are counting on regression towards the mean (offense) is inadequate.
The defense might be the best in the NL West.
The starting pitching is the best in the NL West
The bullpen is best in the NL West
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heh
I started to type up a disagreement about the defense, but right in the middle of it I realized you may be right.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Not if Huff starts in the OF, but otherwise, it actually might be true. Cabrera isn’t that good, either, tho, right?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
He ain’t no Torres
/sobs quietly in a corner
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Watching my "Franchise" DVDs did not help those feelings AT ALL.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Cabrera is plus in corner, but Pagan is plus in center so as long as Pagan is in CF he is basically torres.
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If Cabrera is in a corner (it’s ok to put Cabrera in a corner) he’s at least average, probably above.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
I really want Nate to play RF finally, but they will insist on Huff.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think Huff is LF only this year.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions
Regression towards the mean puts the offense at average. Regression towards the mean puts the pitching at average.
It’s not so arbitrary when you consider that pitching is the most volatile asset in baseball. It literally changes in terms of quality year to year. And this is even more apparent with bullpen performances. Add to that, Wilson might have significant DL time this year, Romo might as well, and… is it still the best bullpen in the NL West?
Excuse me. I hit post before I was done:
… if those two injuries occur, then is it still the best bullpen in the NL West? No. And even losing one of those guys dents the quality significantly. The offense isn’t designed to lose any performance from pitching. And we haven’t even talked about the back end of the Giants’ rotation.
My baseball talent worldview year to year is, essentially: pitching gets worse, hitting stays about the same.
So you should only employ young pitchers and old hitters? You should love the Giants, then.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
that is because most team don’t. have a great pitching staff. Late 80s A’s and Dodgers, mid 90s Braves, the 2000s D-Backs, 2000s Yankees, 2000s As all had very good pitching for a long time
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 9:48 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
We're talking like 3 or 4 year windows with all those teams
except the Braves, who had a longer peak with their big three and bullpen and, more importantly, had an above average offense for a decade-plus.
That was like the anti-Giants 2011
And you should apply it to everyone else, too. Like Putz for example.
Okay, well, the Diamondbacks could pitch bad enough to fall
back to 90 wins. Can the Giants beat 90 wins? Probably not. Of course, their “out” is that they probably won’t need to because of a 2nd wild card, so, we’ll see.
Giants can’t win 4 more games than last year?
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Maybe not. They won 88 in 2009. That seems like their ceiling, given their level of spending and ability to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint.
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions
They won 88 because of their poor first half which had Joe Martinez/Wellemeyer as the no 5 SP and Molina as C
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Joe Martinez/Wellemeyer as the no 5 SP
For the record, the number 5 SP is just as bad now.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions
Look, it’s easy for people to say “Why not us?” and then just believe the team is going to be great. That’s fine. That’s just not how I operate.
All the ingredients for failure are already there. It would be no surprise if Huff does nothing. It would be no surprise if Freddy Sanchez plays less than 40 games. It would be no surprise if Buster Posey struggles and is less than the 4-win player the Giants expect him to be (and that can be either because of the injury or because of the league figuring him out forcing him to adjust). Tim Lincecum, while still excellent, has been trending downward in performance, it’s impossible to know what % of his 2011 Vogelsong can/will repeat. Zito is Zito and will be bad or barely serviceable at best. Again, Wilson’s arm/shoulder are concerns and Romo’s elbow is cranky.
The organization’s mindset is that they suck on offense — that they’re going to struggle to score runs no matter what. The players have bought into this (they have since the ‘09) and that’s not going to help.
It’s just a lot easier for me to look at them, on paper, and shrug. And because I am still more invested in the Giants than any other team, of course I’m going to magnify their flaws a lot more than those of other team’s because I know more about them. In my view, the Giants’ flaws are mostly self-inflicted, and for that I have no sympathy and I have no reason to err on the side of optimism.
And I’m far happier when they prove me wrong than when they succeed when I expect them to succeed. And, again, that’s just me.
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions
I disagree
The organization’s mindset is that they suck on offense — that they’re going to struggle to score runs no matter what.
I think their philosphy is that, with limited resources, they needed to keep their strength (pitching) intact and felt that their bunch of meh-to-great players were not worth the cost of the upgrades (Reyes, Beltran, Filder, etc) or not worth the risk
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How many teams actively aim for an average offense
Giants aim for 4 runs scored. They won 90%+ games they score 4 in.
Also scored like 40 runs below where they should have (putrid BA with 2 out, RISP)
Team put major pressure on scoring last year, only to make everyone press, and therefor suck. I hope they just dial it back, and let the hitters do their thing.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
Team put major pressure on scoring last year, only to make everyone press, and therefor suck. I hope they just dial it back, and let the hitters do their thing.
We do know that the hitting did suck, and I don’t doubt that they were pressing, but I’d be careful with the "therefore"s. There were probably a lot of reasons that they sucked, though I would agree that they underperformed relative to their talent level.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Giants aim for 4 runs scored. They won 90%+ games they score 4 in.
I’d bet that you’d be surprised by how well other teams with shittier pitching perform when the score 4 runs.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don’t think the Giants will score 648 runs in 2012.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
/cain gets 80 RBIs, Giants immediately re-sign him
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
If we assume Belt and Fontenot are not starters
They could absorb an injury to one of Huff, Carbrera and Nate and an injury to Crawford or Freddy and be ok.
Panda and Posey are the injuries that would kill them. Defense would be a problem if Pagan were to get hurt.
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Fontenot would have trouble replacing Panda's bat
was more my point
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I really would rather not assume Belt is not starting
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
Yea
I believe the Giants org brass when they say things like
Huff in LF
Belt at 1B
number 1 and 2 priorities offseason is upping Cain and Lincecum.
They said all those things at end of last year.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
Pitchers, man.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah. If Tim/Cain/Bum go down, that’s likely a 3 win dropoff to Surkamp.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
That is assuming a lot out of SK
Cain and Bum were 5 WAR pitchers last year. I guess Tim at 4.4 last year down to 1.4 is possible, but I would put the jump more likely at 4-5 wins for a full year.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, no way Surkamp can start three times a week
/rimshot
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Sabean wants to know why we haven't taken the BA and RBIs of these pitchers into consideration
The pitchers we’re signing can HIT!
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
WHY EAT HEALTHY AND EXERCISE WHEN YOU CAN JUST LOOK LIKE YOU DO
I laughed hard.
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Better living throughelectronics!chemistry
Fixed
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
WTF kind of value did they get out of this? The basically bought out his FA year for 5-6 Million. MAKES NO SENSE!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions
AMT FTW
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FFFFFFFFFFFFFF
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
AMT
Basically a near unexplainable part of income tax where they (try to) make sure you don’t pay too little because of various deductions.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions
The AMT is pretty simple. What’s weird are the exceptions.
Stupid mortgage interest deductions. Freaking welfare queens, homeowners.
Holla!
/z-snap
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
Simple is about the last thing I would call the AMT.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Alternative Minimum Tax is draconian abomination
Much like Baseball’s Youtube policy
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I know it's hip to be cynical,
but is there anyone out there who is excited about baseball and the Giants’ 2012 season? I need a dose of positivity.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Regardless of how the Giants do in 2012
I am always excited for baseball. Mostly because baseball kicks ass.
I have watched far worse Giants baseball than what we will see in 2012. That is about as positive as I get.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
What Lars said
I miss baseball and my favorite kind of baseball is played by the Giants.
Is it February 19 yet?
“All 30 teams, including the one that really matters.”
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
FTFY
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by S. Pickford #25 on Jan 12, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
I don't share the doom and gloom
I think they win the division at least, even if they don’t win a playoff series. Buster, Freddy, Melky, & Pagan will improve over Whiteside, 2B black hole, Ross, Burrell, & Torres. Huff can’t be as bad as last year, and if he is then Belt should be an upgrade over 2011 Huff. Crawford should at least be as good as Tejada/Cabrera.
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions
I'm afraid they end up as a wild card,
then lose the one-game playoff.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I am freaking pumped
I want to see another year of Tim, Matt, Madbum. I want to see a full year of Posey and Panda doing things (we had like 4-5 weeks of it last year, Panda was hurt when Posey went down). I want to see what Belt will do this year.
I hope to see Nate play and continue to progress.
And every year there is at least 1 big surprise from someone unexpected, so there is that.
And I can’t wait to see Cahill and his awesome road splits get lit up in AZ.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And every year there is at least 1 big surprise from someone unexpected, so there is that.
My irrational prediction: Zito
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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions
I also think Crawford is going to hit better than most people here assume he will. Not by miles, but well enough where his defense will justify him being a starting SS.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
I think so
He is a reverse Tejada. He also walked a lot last year, no reason to believe if he can hit 20-40 points over the Mendoza, that he will not be a 2 WAR player overall.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions
I’m looking forward to it as a distraction…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I’m really excited, for both major league and minor league baseball to start. I’m trying to figure out a way to get down to ST for a few days.
I have also been having a blast doing the Community Prospect Lists (Fanposts). Talking prospects is super exciting. If you’re me, anyway.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
Everybody but me.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I know you like the off season more. Poor GP, this year sucked for you.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
/sob
Really though, this has been a very interesting offseason, and the Fielder contract is still a huge mystery.
But the Giants, I mean, I see them as an 85ish win team, which is fine, but I’m not chomping at the bit to watch them finish 2nd or 3rd in the division.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
they won 86 games last year
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
I HAVE IT (with few to no stats to back it up)
Last year was bad, but it was unimaginably worse than could have been reasonably expected in spring training (just as 2010 was unreasonably better than we could have predicted in Feb.!)
Just as 2010 was a beautiful ride of seemingly clutch winning streaks combined with Padre floundering, minimal injuries to key players (especially pitching,) and surprise breakout years from otherwise mediocre players, 2011 was chock full of straws that broke the camel’s back. We could have survived without Posey. We could have survived without Zito or Franchez. We could have handled Burrell or Huff not quite lighting up the way they did before, but when they all happened practically at the same time (along with several other micro and not so micro disasters) 2011 was REALLY bad. Our 2011 team was not hinged on one player who did not rise to expectations; it was crippled by severe blows to several key cornerstones.
Assuming we have a “middle ground” streak of luck between these two extremes, I think we can totally contend. If the baseball gods smile on us the way they did 2 years ago, we could go all the way. This is not a team of losers. It’s simply run by one.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Yup.
I hope not to see that picture next season, but….Burriss….Crawford….Bork….Baer….etc….
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Is it just me, or does Ryan Vogelsong look like Superman?
I know your secret.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
That's what he wants you to believe
He’s in disguise.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions
Well then,
Here are some other people who probably look like Superman to you:
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions
You have opened my eyes.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions
Nope
Cain
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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM PST via Android app up reply actions
Nope
ןןıd ʇʇǝɹq
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
To put it another way
Matt Cain has always existed, and he always will exist. He and the citizens of Tralfamadore look in on us and our chronological ways and intervene.
To put it another way, his K/9 will be over 7 in 2012, and was over 7 in 1345, and will be over 7 in 2525. If man is still alive.
xx
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Ryan Reynolds
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Couple of weeks ago I thought I dvrd Green Lantern, but when I started to watch it, I got Seth Rogen and no Ryan Reynolds. I recorded Green Hornet instead. I was so disappointed.
Green Hornet was, sadly, the better movie.
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That was one of the worst movies I’ve seen in years.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Didn’t see that one. Green Hornet was awful, though.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions
it was better than Green Lantern.
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wow
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
OT: "Red Tails"
Anyone else totally excited for this opening next weekend? The trailers are awesome and I’m really hoping it does well after hearing how the studios wouldn’t finance it because they thought the all-black cast wouldn’t draw at the box office.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
It’s about the Tuskegee Airmen right?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Yes
Unbelievable this movie hadn’t been made yet
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I am all for it
It does look good. I am worried how light saber battles will work out in prop planes, but those details will just have to work themselves out.
Lucas was stumping for it on the Daily Show, he really made me want to see it, if nothing for its historical and social significance.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions
In his version the Tuskegee Airmen never shot first.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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Mayor of Smug.
true gentlemen
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
yeah
This is OT your OT: I really hope “One for the Money” is a little edgier than what they’re showing on the trailers.
Co-written by Aaron McGruder of 'Boondocks' fame.
Which is a big plus in my book.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 12, 2012 10:28 AM PST up reply actions
OT
Wow ticketmaster is a clusterfuck this morning. Presales for Radiohead, Black Keys and Jeff Mangum all at once.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
and spring training tickets!!! For the love of the RDF don’t forget the ST tickets. [As the Giants have been reminding me via every social media channel they can get their paws on.]
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Aubrey Huff Part II?
Must be great to work for an organization that rewards one year of productivity.
Yeah, I don’t like the thought of this. Although, Vogelsong is less than half of Aubrey’s contract. The Giants really do seem to prefer taking on short term contracts of career year and low risk/high reward type players rather than spend on long term deals for more proven and consistent players. 2010 was pure luck. It was a once in lifetime convergence of factors. The “GIANTS WAY” is to be as efficient and profitable as possible at the detriment of competitiveness. This is the result of the ownership structure, which is a division of many share holders who’s primary interest in the team is to share in it’s high profits.
A team seriously interested in winning championships would have at least been in on the bidding for a player like Matt Halladay in 2010. The 2009 Giants badly needed a middle of the order bat and corner outfielder. Instead, we saw a vote of confidence for Nate Schierholtz, who quickly lost his job to John Bowker, and a futile attempt to sign Adam LaRoche to a short term deal to play first base. The “Magic Inside” luckily brought us Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
Oops, meant Matt Holliday, not Halladay.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I know it's silly to bitch about Jeff Passan's analytical abilities, but
“The A’s are lying about their profitability, openly tanking to get out of town, and refuse to attempt to privately finance a stadium; ergo, their every demand should be met!”
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM PST reply actions
My understanding is that their new stadium was going to be privately financed
It was the land and all the ancilliary development that Wolff wanted the city to help pay for. He wants to pay for a stadium in exchange for subsidized high density housing and retail.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
They’d better not build over Pinkberry.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 12, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Which is essentially what the Giants did, no?
Quoth wikipedia:
When it opened on March 31, 2000, the ballpark was the first Major League ballpark built without public funds since the completion of Dodger Stadium in 1962.8 However, the Giants did receive a $10 million tax abatement from The City and $80 million for upgrades to the local infrastructure (including a connection to the Muni Metro).
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I wonder if the city got a good ROI for that $90M.
Obviously, tax revenue shifted from one part of town to another, but I wonder if the newness and brazen upscale taste of the park area spurred a significant increase to warrant the payout.
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions
I think one of the main differences is that the plan is for the city to sell the land to the A's at a reduced price
The Giants lease the land that the ballpark sits on.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:35 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but don't they only pay, like, a million a year on a 30 year lease or something?
Not a bad deal.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
1.2 million annually on a 66 year lease
Which works out to more than what San Jose is going to make on their land sale to the A’s.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
How much is the A's sale?
And remember, absolute value doesn’t really work in a lump sum vs over time payment comparison. It’s why if you win the lottery, you can get the full amount over time, or half up front.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Let me dig around a bit today
I can probably find out.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
That was easier than I thought
The city council approved a deal to sell 5 acres to the Oakland A’s for 6.9 million dollars. This is a veritable gift.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
Hoo boy
Yeah, that’s not bad. Of course, San Jose land value vs SF, etc, etc, but that’s still a good deal for the A’s.
But hey, if Wolff is willing to build the stadium with his own money, that’s cool.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Am I the only one that suspects there will be some other, very profitable, development which will also be included in the sweetheart land deal?
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
I agree
The only thing that has a chance of saving the taxpayers is that the whole thing has to go before a public vote should the A’s agree.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
And it seems like they did kind of go
“Oh, the Angels got Pujols and Wilson and the Rangers might get Darvish and Fielder? Okay, we’re not even going to bother this year.”
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Why is MLB?
Seattle Mariners Games To Be Blacked Out In Alaska
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/12/2702460/seattle-mariners-alaska-mlb-blackout-map
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
They should ride their snowmobiles to Seattle if they want to watch the games!
Is it February 19 yet?
They should just be content with hunting wolves from helicopters!
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
Nah, I’ve heard that they can just see the games from their houses.
Is it February 19 yet?
by j14 on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Because they should be Giants fans
and the Hawaii ppl should be Mariners fans.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
WE ARE GIANTS FANS!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
With Selig getting an extension
I doubt these ridiculous blackout rules change anytime soon.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I hate him so much.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I doubt Selig even knows what MLB.tv is.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
You are weird.
In that, you often voice thoughts I have had very recently. I was wondering if he’d ever have to answer questions about MLB.tv (it’s great and deserves to be talked about) and then I came to the conclusion that he probably has very little idea of what goes on with MLBAM period.
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions
He is I, and I am him, slim with the tilted brim
What’s my motherfuckin name?
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
He’s not a witch. He’s you.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
You got the ref!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
/Pedro Feliz
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
Couldn’t somebody explain to him the possibility of making even MORE money if they re did the rules?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Profit vs. Bourbon then naptime
Advantage: Bourbon then naptime
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
This doesn’t affect me in the slightest, and I’m still irritated at MLB.
by non sequitur on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions
I watched the M’s games cause they were on.
The cable company replaced the M’s network with MLB Network, which is better.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
But the cable company in Anchorage DID just add MLB Network
so as long as the games aren’t Mariners, I finally have something besides FOX.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
Your alternative choices
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Foster the People
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I know quite a few Fosters
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Dang it-alternative choices to Vogelsong
11:39: The deal is worth $1.5MM prorated if Cook is called up to the Major Leagues, according to Rob Bradford and Alex Speier of WEEI.com.
9:43pm: The Red Sox have agreed to terms with right-hander Aaron Cook on a minor league contract, pending a physical, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com.
Two days after signing Aaron Cook, the Red Sox are scouting another low-risk righty looking to rebound from injury. Vicente Padilla took leave of his native Nicaraguan winter league yesterday in order to fly to Boston, where he will be checked over today by team doctors, reports Francisco Jarquín Soto at the Nicaraguan paper El Nuevo Diario.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Oswalt!
COME PITCH IN SAN FRANCISCO, YOU GLORIOUS WHITE WHALE YOU!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions
The Giants Should Sign
Jose Reyes
Roy Oswalt?
EMMA FROST!?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
What a weird headline
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
Rays Continue Eyeing Bats
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:24 AM PST reply actions
They've already tried signing THE BAT and it didn't work out so well
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
No person is worth that much money!
It’s a child’s game!
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions
/Selfish Beltran disagrees
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Grant just got RT’ed by Steve Berthiaume.
Pretty soon he’s going to be too cool to hang out with us anymore.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
Pretty soon he’s going to be too cool to hang out with us anymore.
I’ve seen it happen on other blogs. The writers make a name for themselves and get opportunities to write elsewhere, including some that involve getting paid to write. They understandable pursue said opportunities, at the expense of the community that helped make them “famous” in the first place.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Grant is totes going to hang out with all the other bloggers in the cool blog party that we’re not invited to.
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
This happened to Will Leitch.
Although he is still cool.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
drunk blogging
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Redundant in Grant's case
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He’s a Mike Tirico counterrant away from ignominy!
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions
Let me think about this one for a minute...
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Half in French, half in squiggly
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Obviously it’s のみもの.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
OMG must buy. hmmmm should I get Bumgarner
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
I do not think it looks very nice. It does not fit my tastes. I don’t have any 80’s nostalgia kicking in. Meh.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
Those uniforms are clearly broken
Aurilia isn’t even grounding into a double play in that pic.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
why does everything now taste like sand? WHY DOES EVERYTHING LOOK GRAYSCALE?
GAAAAH BLAAARRRRGGHG dies
by Cap M on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sabes signs 76-year old Gary Player
Veteran presence
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Not a fan of the black piping.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
PIPE DOWN THERE
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
The orange on the sleeves is a little too fluorescent also.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
Your mother was a little too fluorescent my taste.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I have no doubt. She clearly impacted your ability to type!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
And so does she!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
This, and the piping also.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t mind it on this jersey, but I really dislike it on the primary road jersey.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
Seeing both jerseys now
It seems a traveling black piping salesman stopped by the ballpark one day and really wowed the executive board with his sales pitch.
In hibernation 'til Spring Training.
by rightcenterfielder on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
"Humm baby"
/nostalgic
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Drinking Dr. Pepper 10!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Pepsi Maxx
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
Yeah, I prefer the one we used last season to this.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I don’t even know what is different from the old uniforms.
@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.
No black piping.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
Could be worse
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Merch sales.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions
Don’t forget the alternate unis so you can spend more money!
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Was this one really necessary?
Now the home and road jerseys don’t match.
In hibernation 'til Spring Training.
by rightcenterfielder on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher
Selig says he is “very hopeful” that expanded playoffs will begin this year. On-Field Committee to discuss this PM. But no decision today.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The Giants are betting on it.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Then throw every pitcher they have at the play-in game.
Sure, the other team will as well, but chances are, in a 1 game situation like that, I’d like our chances.
I still HATE the expanded playoffs.
I’m annoyed, because on average the wildcard winner has a better record than the third worst division winner. But that’s absolutely not true of the second wildcard.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Wow. The NFL.com online shop has expanded the number of Tebow products from 2 to 12 since Sunday.
Either a lot of other people are trolling Steelers fans, or I should be concerned for America.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Heard there was a poll that put him as America’s current favorite athlete. Which is hilarious.
by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I saw that too. I’ve got to imagine at least some of that was people enjoying for his trolliness.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
ESPN’s poll rated Tebow as the #1 favorite athlete in the U.S. this week, apparently.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
ESPN polled 1,502 people. Of those, three percent – i.e., 45 people — said Tim Tebow is their favorite pro athlete.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
/facepalm
1,500? So, 0.0005% of the country. Brilliant.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
I mean, slap confidence intervals on there, and it’s basically going to say, “We have no idea.”
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don’t dislike Tebow, but there is no way he is the America’s favourite athlete.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
I’m on the other side of this. I think he has demonic powers.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
KLaw's Vogey answer:
KLaw: asked this on Twitter last night: I know it’s not a super-consequential move, but thoughts on Vogelsong for 2/$8.3M?
Klaw (3:05 PM)
Not a big fan of guaranteeing two years to an older player who’s had half that many productive seasons. But the Giants’ logic probably includes Vogelsong’s imminent free agency, so the second year of the deal was much higher in value (on the market, at least) than the first. I’m just seeing far more chance this goes sour right away than that it succeeds for the Giants, even though the money isn’t all that huge, because Vogelsong’s pre-2011 track record is so dim.
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Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
This needs to be the 2012 slogan.
Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh
Even when healthy, it’s not like Freddy is that good of a hitter.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Perhaps you are forgetting that he ONCE WON A BATTING TITLE.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
THREE DOUBLES IN THE WOLRD SERIES OFF CLIFF LEE
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I will say this about Freddy,
He’s not afraid to hit with 2 strikes. In fact, he seems to spot the pitcher those strikes most of the time.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Freddy Sanchez career with two strikes
.231/.276/.308
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I mean, that’s clearly worse than his normal line. But league average would also be good to know.
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Everyone's line with 2 strikes will be worse.
You can’t strike out without 2 strikes.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Yep.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
So then, like everyone, Freddy Sanchez does not thrive with 2 strikes on him.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
That would be essential in assigning any meaning to the numbers.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think it necessarily does if this:
He’s not afraid to hit with 2 strikes.
was the assertion. He’s not afraid to hit with 2 strikes relative to league average would be an entirely different assertion.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I think relative to league average is pretty much implicit in this. I would be shocked if anybody hits league average with two strikes.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
As such, I can’t really support the “spotting the pitcher strikes thing,” because that’s not really helpful in any manner unless you’re trying to drive up a pitch count.
"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong
At this point
You should probably know better than to just throw nerd-nip out there like this.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Look at how much it stirred things up, tho. It was getting boring in here.
Plus, that Tony Gwynn stat is amazing.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Your jokes are weird.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Some of them are not very jokey.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Or, perhaps, the humor simply eludes me.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No, but everything I tell you is a lie.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
can't resist
You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because you always lie… illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human; only humans can explain! Illogical!
by non sequitur on Jan 12, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Ask him about his popcorn
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
Tony Gwynn! Check below.
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I saw the implication as being that he’s not afraid because he has the ability to do well with 2 strikes. Upon re-reading, it seems like Tortured was just making a funny about how often he finds himself in that situation. In either case, stating his 2-strike line with no context is pretty meaningless (were I so inclined I might even say deceptive).
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
WHO MAKES A FUNNY HERE
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I can’t find it right now, but I was thinking average is below .200
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
in 2009 full count was .233, everything below with 2 strikes is well below .200
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions
That doesn’t seem that bad to me.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
It isn't that bad, actually
The 2011 league average was .176/.242/.262, though you have to consider that league offense was down.
But, regardless, if Freddy really is “spotting” them strikes, he could stop.
Sanchez career, ahead in the count: .357/.460/.526
Sanchez career, behind in the count: .242/.247/.325
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I guess the small OBP AVG split behind in the count is due solely to HBP (or CI)?
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No
You can walk if there are two strikes on you.
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3-2 is behind in the count?
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You’re ahead in the count then though. 3-2
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Or is that even? Either way, not behind.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
I thought ahead of the count was just:
1-0
2-0
2-1
3-0
3-1
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Nah, I think 3-2 is also counted by B-R as "ahead"
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That’s weird.
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Well the count is regarded as “even” at 1-1 and 2-2, so it would follow that 3-2 is technically “ahead.” In theory, the onus is on them to throw a strike, though in practice that’s not really the case.
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I think you’re right that 2-2 is considered “even” even though you’re actually behind at 2-2.
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Sweet picture
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Dammit
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I'm sorry
Completely misunderstood you. Yes, I believe it is HBP and sac flies and some of the other minor stuff that fits in there.
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I was kidding
Hubby & I just used to say it a lot: “Oh, look, Freddy is working a 2 strike count, how unusual.”
And those numbers do look pretty good to me, actually.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Aaron Rowand career with two strikes
.187/.248/.295
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
On the other hand; Tony Gwynn career with two strikes
.302/.340/.401
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
/impressed whistle
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Bonds with two strikes
.212/.354/.428
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/looks only at batting average
So Freddy is a better 2 strike hitter?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
I can't believe Gwynn was better.
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Wait, so Bonds was just home runs????
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No,
but Gwynn wasn’t known for them. He just always got on base, and you couldn’t walk him because he could hit anything.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Gwynn career OBP: .388
Bonds career OBP: .444
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GP said he couldn’t believe Gwynn was better at something than Bonds
You said there’s more to life than home runs, then said that Gwynn was good for getting on base
but Bonds was still better than Gwynn at that
Thus bringing us back to GP’s original surprise that Gwynn was better at something than Bonds.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions
If we assume that he was never intentionally walked, and therefore subject those 688 PAs to his career numbers such that he would have gotten hits in about 30% of them, that means he would have made 482 more outs, but 206 more hits. That would put his career OBP at .413; he also would have hit 53 more home runs.
If we assume that every single one of those intentional walks resulted in an out, he still would have a career OBP of .381.
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Oh, I know
I’m just surprised that there’s any category in which Gwynn was a better hitter than Bonds. But there it is. With two strikes, he was.
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Completely different hitters. Gwynn, relative to the league, pretty much never struck out.
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according to wOBA, would the difference there make up for .90 points of BA?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I think it might, but I imagine it would be very close.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Easily.
In fact, the lower AVG is better if you have the same OBP/SLG.
I.E. 250/350/500 > 300/350/500
250/350/500 turns some singles into walks, and other singles into extra base hits.
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I'm pretty sure you have this backwards
I believe that the difference between the walks and the singles is bigger than the other difference.
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lemme run it through crashburn alley's woba calculator
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You sure?
One is .200 iso the other .250
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds 2-strike wOBA: .351
Gwynn 2-strike wOBA: .342
Calculator: http://www.crashburnalley.com/woba.html
OK, Barry was better. Not yet prepared to concede the point on your 250/350/500 > 300/350/500 yet though.
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I did it.
Check my math.
3 BB, 3 1B, 1 3B, 1 HR in 20 PA:
250/400/500 for wOBA .418
4 BB, 2 1B, 2 HR in 20 PA:
200/400/500 for wOBA .429
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Hm. Interesting.
But not a perfect cipher, because of the fact that HRs are exponentially more valuable than triples. Thanks.
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Yeah that was just a quick calculator.
But it makes sense intuitively. If you get on base the same/make the same amount of outs, you want more power.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
Sure
But singles are more valuable than walks. And I’m not sure that the excess power is more valuable than the amount that singles are more valuable than walks.
But now my head hurts.
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2B over a 1B: hitter gets an extra base and all runners getting an extra base.
1B over a walk: only runners on 2nd and/or 3rd where 1st is not occupied get an extra base.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
In this line
Men on base singles are always greater than walks.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless if men are on base or not.
2B are always greater than a 1B.
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Yeah, I was just thinking that the extra value from getting on base with singles as opposed to walks would outweigh that
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
On the Giants
I would take either. We need more guys with .850 OPS
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
how many times did Bonds actually have 2 strikes on him?
I’d bet most of his ABs never got that far. The ball was already in the seats
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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
That’s out of about 12000 plate appearances total, so, about a third of the time.
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That sounds really, really low to me.
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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions
I have no idea
Boggs was famous for not caring if he got to a two strike count, and he had around the same percentage. Gwynn had way less.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
like Pat Burrell says, I’d rather be 0-1 than 0 for 1
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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
4.2 K rate in over 10,000 PA’s
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Woah! That is impressive.
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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions
That’s a lot of scuffed baseballs.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Just for the hell of it: Jeff Keppinger with two strikes
.235/.285/.301
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
How have I not seen this before?
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wat
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Even in this preview he’s got more ice on his shoulder than Cat’s Cradle.
by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
OT (long set-up)
So Grant’s post yesterday that included the link to a vidya site inspired me to search the user for lotso baseball broadcasts. He’s got a bunch and so I was inspired, since I miss baseball so much, to run them through my phone on the way to work in the mornings.
I did that this morning with the 1980 Giants/Cubs game, and it satisfied my soul.
More importantly, it allowed me to listen to Joe Garagiola. Now, this WAS 32 years ago, BUT, he made a statement about being confused by the decimal in pitchers’ innings. as in the 8 2/3, “they should use 8 or 9, what is the other part” (paraphrase).
OMG! Could you imagine the backlash if Joe Buck made a statement like that today?
My bet is Garagiola is NOT a member of SABR.
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I don’t know, it depends on what he meant by confused. Like, did he really not understand it? Or was he just confused by why they use decimals. Saying 10.1 to mean 10 and 1/3 is kind of weird.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
Link fail.
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See?
You expect links to work! Spoiled brat!
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/1/12/2703038/why-you-are-a-spoiled-brat
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