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Giants, Ryan Vogelsong Reach Two-Year Deal

From the official press release:

The San Francisco Giants have agreed to terms with right-handed pitcher Ryan Vogelsong on a two year contract with a club option for 2014, club Senior Vice President and General Manager Brian Sabean announced today. Per club policy, financial terms were not disclosed.

First reaction: Happy for him.

Second reaction: If he's 75% as good this season, this is still a cost-effective move.

Third reaction: Please don't be for a silly amount of money.

I'm guessing two years, $8.5 million, with the option being pretty hefty. MLB Trade Rumors projected Vogelsong's arbitration award would have been around $2.5 million, so that would be something like $6 million to buy out a year of free agency. Not exactly cheap, but a decent gamble. If he pitches as well as his FIP from last year, the Giants made a great move. Heckuva if, right there.

Fourth reaction: Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain Cain.

Edit: two years, $8.3 million. It cost him $200K to make me look stupid. I hope he's satisfied.

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I want details fffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuu

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:07 PM PST reply actions  

we could make some up for you….

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by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean in terms of $ amount.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

/two years, $26 million

by Grant Brisbee on Jan 11, 2012 5:08 PM PST reply actions  

TROLL

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 5:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Kill the joke more.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

OOOOOOOOOOOH.

Got it. Thanks.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Spice it up!

That’s Affeldt, Lopez, Cabrera, Whiteside money!

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by DFARowand on Jan 11, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Guys, we can’t extend Matt Cain and he’ll walk this year, but don’t worry—we signed Vogelsong! How cool is that?! Guys?

by diamondnerd on Jan 11, 2012 5:08 PM PST reply actions  

Apparently

signing Vogelsong excludes the Giants from signing Cain.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

If we had signed Cain or [Tim] Lincecum, we would have been without all our crappy players —obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.

by Every6thDay on Jan 11, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm getting angry right now

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Who was the superstar in 10?

Posey I guess? Lincecum? There was like 10 stars but no real "super"star…

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Lincecum was great. Cain was borderline great. Huff got MVP votes.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Torres was probably one of the top 5 CFs in the league.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Brian Wilson had his Robb Nen impression year.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

But that’s what I mean, it was spread out among various players. Though I guess that’s how most WS teams do it

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not really spreading out superstardom over multiple players so much as it is having multiple superstars, which still doesn’t really describe the strategy that leads to Sabean’s oft-stated preference.

I mean, his “Have six above average guys for the price of two really great ones” strategy works when two of those above average guys have really great seasons – like Huff and Torres, or Ross’s and Burrell’s handful of months. But that’s not something you can expect when you sign six above average guys. It’s the kind of thing you can only hope like hell for when you sign six above average guys.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

I’m not sure why I’m defending Sabean. WTF.

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Good to see you here...were you on sabatical?

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t forget about Torres.

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by rotorueter on Jan 11, 2012 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we sometimes tend to forget that Lincecum is a superstar

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by giant4life83 on Jan 11, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I just read the BP article on this comment (from Feb. 2004)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2545

I don’t know if there was a follow-up article that compared the predictions to the outcomes, but there it is. Sabean’s going to do this again.

So Sabean’s safety-in-numbers approach this off-season may have bought the Giants around 36 runs compared to doing nothing, but using the same money to get Guerrero would have bought them—based on the projections above—quite a bit more: 47 runs by this estimate, 11 more runs, or just over one more win, than Sabean’s approach. Plus it would have put them in a better position for the next few years, and would have given them a credible core for making the transition to a post-Bonds era. Gary Sheffield’s not nearly as young as Vlad, but projects to have similar offensive impact for the next two or three years. The numbers confirm what our intuition told us: The Giants would be better off with one Vladimir Guerrero than with a whole bunch of Jim Browers and Pedro Felizes.

by Every6thDay on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say “team of above average.”

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, whatever you want to call it, he’s never won with it.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The team was pretty much average to above average at the start of the year.

And the premium talent was already in place and under team control.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, okay, there is a flaw in my argument in that Sabean’s quote is about free agent talent, and many of the Giants superstars were in-house.

But I don’t know how much that damages my point. All of Sabean’s greatest successes have come with teams that had multiple superstar performances. And if you’re looking to acquire superstar performances in the future, it seems to me that logic dictates you are able to maximize your chances by targeting actual superstars.

Especially as a long-term strategy. Getting a superstar season out of Huff was awesome, but that only netted us a regression (and then some). Sabean has kind of had a lot of success getting one-year wonders out of his certified spare parts signings, but then the next year we have A Huff or a Snow or a Ross or a Winn who can’t really duplicate that.

You roll the dice every year you rely on average or above average acquisitions playing above their station. That dice roll would go away if you just bring in the really good players.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Now someone will come in and argue that most baseball teams do what Brian Sabean does, because it’s impossible to have really good players at every position unless you’re the Yankees of the Red Sox.

by Every6thDay on Jan 11, 2012 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Good, because “the Yankees of the Red Sox” sounds scary.

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by kdl on Jan 11, 2012 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The Cardinals are pretty much the exact opposite approach.

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by El Person on Jan 11, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I certainly didn’t name every position.

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by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I know. I think people who would make the argument I suggested would, however, name every position.

by Every6thDay on Jan 11, 2012 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

It strikes me – and I know I have made this argument before – that it’s more about risk distribution.

If the Giants could count on two-win seasons at every position, then I’d be a lot more antsy to see a Fielder signing. But we’re already at the point where we are spending a combined $2M on our top 3 shortstops.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 6:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Um
All of Sabean’s greatest successes have come with teams that had multiple superstar performances.

Is there an example of a championship team WITHOUT multiple superstar performances?

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by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

The Yankees

A bunch of everyday Joe’s who just love to play game.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:32 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Perhaps this is an argument for not signing a bunch of below average dudes?

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:33 PM PST up reply actions  

And yet everyone is drooling on the Diamondbacks. Odd.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 7:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Heh. We’ve probably got just as many crappy MI as they do.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

At least we already had those crappy players under team control for the league minimum!*

*Some Melkys may not apply

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was about to say.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

At least it’s only for one year.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully less than that!

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

You see them trading him halfway through the season?

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve mentioned this before, but in a perfect world, Belt plays well, Huff plays well, and Cabrera plays well but is ultimately made redundant due to the presence of Huff and Belt, allowing them to move him at the deadline for prospects or a marginally useful middle infielder.

I don’t expect it to happen, but a boy can dream*.

*For players who aren’t a bad fit for their organization

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

lololol

Expecting Belt to get playing time

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Huff's gone after next year.

It behooves the club to get Belt 400 PAs.

And if he hits, he’ll play.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

And if he hits, he’ll play.

This is basically my issue. He should be allowed to play, regardless.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

so if Huff and Cabrera are both hitting and Belt not so much. They should play Belt?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 8:24 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

so if Huff and Cabrera are both hitting and Belt not so much. They should play Belt?

If we’re still in the range of SSS/BABIP shenanigans and he’s not eating the bat when he steps up to home plate, absolutely.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean, Christ. This is how John Bowker gets annointed the starting LF and loses his job entirely 2 weeks later.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

what a horrible decision that turned out to be.

Belt will play a lot this year

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 8:44 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I think the point was more the problem in the decision making process.

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by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Like I said, he’s expected to be taking over 1B duties, and unless he’s in Fresno for the year (hint: he won’t be), they need to be getting him ready for the transition when Huff leaves after this season. If anyone’s PT will suffer, it’s probably Nate.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it’s still ridiculous that we have no idea if Nate is a ML caliber player.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we’ve learned that he is, at the very least, a solid 4th OF. What we don’t know is if he can hit enough to be an everyday corner outfielder. Which is a shame.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Right, I meant a starter.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

He likely would have gotten a shot at CF by now but for Torres.

It’s also a shame that he keeps getting injured.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d even be okay with 2/10

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:09 PM PST reply actions  

quick the barn door!!!!

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by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 5:11 PM PST up reply actions  

BEAT IT

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 5:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Who are you? Michael Jacks… you know, in retrospect, a lot of his song lyrics are kinda creepy.

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by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

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by jctGamer on Jan 11, 2012 5:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Does this mean we have to view Urban as a reliable source now?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:13 PM PST reply actions  

his truthiness must exceed his bullshittitude by a substantial factor, this has not happened yet.

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by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I noticed that Baggs said this:

The deal was first reported by Mychael Urban of 95.7 The Game.

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by kdl on Jan 11, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

hahahahahahaha

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:15 PM PST up reply actions  

a good job to tehUrbz

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by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I always forget what an incredible story Vogelsong was last year.

From the Baggs article:

Before replacing Zito, Vogelsong hadn’t appeared in a major league game in almost five years.

Last year was such a letdown/clusterfuck that I think I blocked anything good that happened.

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by kdl on Jan 11, 2012 5:16 PM PST reply actions  

2010 was pretty much a crap fest too… ’cept there were cherries on top.

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by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

the last half of 2010 was about as good as it gets for a baseball fan.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. When I think 2010, the last thing that comes to mind is “crap fest.”

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by kdl on Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

mmmmmmmmmmm…. no…. September and October were super-de-duper… the rest of it, not so much.

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by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

July and the post-Molina Posey hitting bonanza was pretty awesome.

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by mymclife on Jan 11, 2012 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

Posey started catching full time, put up 21 game hit streak, lead team to tie ML lead in runs for July. Went from 4th to first in 3 months. That was awesome. Oh yea postseason ruled too.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 11, 2012 8:00 PM PST up reply actions  

They slipped to within 1 game of .500 after that crushing loss in Colorado… and then Milwaukee happened.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

November and December were pretty awesome

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:16 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

august was the only month that really sucked

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by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

August is the cruelest month

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

august, die she must

the autumn winds blow chilly and cold

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by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

sorta

Only big issue was Tim. Padres lost 10 in a row that month.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t they basically not lose in July?

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Any complaining from a Giants fan about 2010 is uh...something

That’s like having the best meal of your life at a restaurant and then complaining because the toothpicks aren’t pointy at both ends

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Complaining now is a bit silly, but at the time we called it torture.

With good reason.

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by breadfan7 on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

that makes more satisfying.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I wouldn’t call it complaining. It’s a sense of perspective. Some people talk about 2010 like it was this magical no doubt wonderful experience from beginning to end. For me, remembering that it was a flawed team that had a horrible August and a May/June that spawned such things as the StarWars thread, Bye Bye Botchy, and sarcastic photoshops… only to turn it around and have a glorious Sept and Oct gives me hope that it could happen again. And fear that the FO considers it a plan, “it worked in 2010!”

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

2003 was pretty awesome

It was the last year that I remember when it felt like the Giants were absolutely going to win every day that season.

Of course, Jose Cruz eventually happened, but the majority of that season was a walk in the park.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:17 AM PST up reply actions  

But defense doesn’t matter.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

/heads for fallout shelter.

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Jose Cruz was awesome that year

I don’t understand your point. I don’t think you do either.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps I didn’t understand your point. Cruz WAS awesome that year, but gets a lot of flack for dropping a couple of key balls.

Plus, it was just a joke.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

In all fairness, non-pointy toothpicks are worth complaining over

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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

MMMMM…crap with cherries!

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by bigboneded on Jan 11, 2012 5:18 PM PST up reply actions  

If Vogelsong had emerged in 2010, that would have really made it more unreal than it already was

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by giant4life83 on Jan 11, 2012 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of people did. That’s why I don’t fully buy the, “We’ll be better this year because of all the injuries and bad things that happened last year, we can’t have that bad of luck again.”

People forget how incredibly lucky we were that Vogelsong pitched even half as well as he did and Sandoval didn’t repeat his 2010 season. Nate had his best season with the bat, by far, and Tim and Matt stayed healthy for another season.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

So is it unreasonable to expect Sandoval to repeat his 2009 season?

When he was healthy, he resembled that in ’11 more than his 2010 self.

Assuming he’s uninjured this year, it would seem we have more evidence toward expecting improvement than failure.

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by breadfan7 on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

While you are not incorrect,

doesn’t 2010 make up the smaller part of the sample size here? If a guy has basically 2 good years, and one less than good year, I’m leaning on optimism. If not for injuries, he was on a beastmode pace last year.

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by breadfan7 on Jan 12, 2012 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus, there were some compelling reasons for his 2010 performance, which no longer seem to be affecting him.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Going forward, yes, but as it pertains to going into last year, I think it was more likely that we’d get 2010 Pablo. We were hoping for 2009, and it wasn’t unreasonable to think we might get 2009, but it was fortunate for us that he did rebound.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Ok, but you’re still allowed to talk about the past though, right? Because my comment was about the past.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I traveled here all the way from 1985.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

YAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

I’ve never been happier for an athlete than I am for him. What an awesome story. Even if he sucks, he deserves the money for how good he was last season.

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

Hi stranger!

@legaleagle88
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by kdl on Jan 11, 2012 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Can't talk, football

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

What an odd nickname for kdl.

Once more, coming to you by proxy.

by howtheyscored on Jan 11, 2012 5:30 PM PST up reply actions  

we have a secret code

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Be quiet, Tiddly Winks.

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by rotorueter on Jan 11, 2012 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Honkball, I’ll call you later

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

There’s no way that Vogelsong is making LOOGY money next year…

by jhawx on Jan 11, 2012 5:27 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Now Sabean will say they are on track this offseason.

This is his big move for the pitching. Don’t mind the other guys.

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by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Morosi
Jon Morosi @jonmorosi
Source: #SFGiants’ deal with Ryan Vogelsong is two years (plus option) at $8 million

by Gobroks on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

That’s cool.

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by rotorueter on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Called it!

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I can deal.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean he was worth 12 million last year. I don’t expect that this year, but he earned it.

Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Good

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:35 PM PST up reply actions  

yay!

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome. And he’s very easy on the eyes.

by Shampo0 on Jan 11, 2012 5:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

I like that deal.

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by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Sounds about right for the FO. Here’s hoping that this is just a wham-bam arb-avoidance deal… Sign Cain, dammit.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah that's a pretty team-friendly deal

low risk, high reward, and not locking us into any kind of major outlay.

My boy's got CLOSER MENTALITY!

Pithy.

by Lies and Perfidy on Jan 11, 2012 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It really bothers me that he’s getting less money than Javier Lopez.

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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all

by El Person on Jan 11, 2012 5:51 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah

but arbitration

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:52 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

WELL DONE SABES

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by DFARowand on Jan 11, 2012 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

ok i'm cool with this

he doesn’t have to be very good to make back up the salary

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by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 6:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Barry Zito was a 2-win pitcher in 2009 and 2010, with a 4.25 FIP and about 195 IP.

Giants are getting a fair rate.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

And he is financially set for life

So both got what they wanted.

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by jctGamer on Jan 11, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Mutually beneficial deals are awesome.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Good for Vogelsong and the Giants.

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 11, 2012 7:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Grant, your fourth reaction was my first.

But so far this seems to be acceptable spending.

/moves Vogelsong’s locker as far away from Huff’s as possible

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by breadfan7 on Jan 11, 2012 5:37 PM PST reply actions  

In addition to Cain

I’d still like to see a 1 year deal for Oswalt.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

YES

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by bondslegend on Jan 11, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d still like to see a deal for Jose Reyes.

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by rotorueter on Jan 11, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

1 year, $28 million.

I’d think about it.

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by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

lol Zito

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL U

We all know that Zito is the fifth starter, and Oswalt is not gonna accept a minor league deal/bullpen role.

by jhawx on Jan 11, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Somehow pry Brandon McCarthy away from the A’s

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes!!

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by Bobeau on Jan 12, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Option can't vest per Baggs (via Bobby Evans)
Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs
Vogelsong’s option year has no vesting language, VP Bobby Evans tells me. Report from @jonmorosi pegs value at $8 million guaranteed

by Gobroks on Jan 11, 2012 5:39 PM PST reply actions  

Swell, they’re gonna fuck around on this again, aren’t they.

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

oops that was a fail to the comment below. Stoopit jumpy screen

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

And then there's this.
Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Lincecum’s agent tells me there has been no dialogue with #SFGiants in at least a month. Both sides exchange arb figures 1 week from today.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:41 PM PST reply actions  

More
Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
#SFGiants VP Bobby Evans said he has had “healthy, ongoing dialogue” with Matt Cain’s agents about an extension.
Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Evans on Lincecum: “You do the best you can to find common ground, I remain optimistic we will.”

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta ove Bobby Evans

From today’s “Extra Baggs”:

But as Evans told me today, "Hey, I can multitask."

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jan 11, 2012 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Optimism is a good change of pace from most of the news lately.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh.

I feel that one will get nasty.

There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.

by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

practically guaranteed

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

If so, one can only hope it’s because Lincecum’s camp is being unreasonable, and not the other way around.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I seem to remember that Chris Lincecum was really pissed about how the first arbitration went down.

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by kdl on Jan 11, 2012 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I will talk to my son.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t care who is being unreasonable, sign the guy.

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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

But with Tim there is still time.

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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Meh

Weaver had arbitrary dispute with the Angels last year

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Major difference is

the Angels had money they were willing to spend on him.

There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.

by Giant_in_la_area on Jan 11, 2012 5:51 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Timmy will make in his arbitrary year

than Weaver as a FA

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:54 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

make a out as much as

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:56 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Wait

do the Giants have to pay extra for Nicole?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 5:59 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Stupid add comment issue

for the apparently again

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:00 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

for the app

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:01 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Whoa…

Feed the Panda some bamboo

by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Not really true

The Giants would offer Weaver’s contract (5years for $85M) to Cain right now and walk away from the table with a huge smile on their faces if Cain accepted it. I really doubt that the issue between the Giants and Cain is going to come down to $$$. The Gaints have money to spend on Cain, the question is does Cain want to remain a Giant? If Cain doesn’t agree to a contract extension framework in the next 8 weeks then it’s seems pretty obvious to me that he doesn’t want to remain a Giant.

The only 3 things that I see that might possibly be sticking points between Cain and the Giants:
1. Cain wants to move closer to his Tennessee roots.
2. Cain wants to pitch for a team that will score some runs for him – and where he’s not likley to end up with a career W/L record that’s barely over .500.
3. Cain wants an 8 year contract.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

by Fla-Giant on Jan 11, 2012 6:47 PM PST up reply actions  

They're talking about Lincecum

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by jctGamer on Jan 11, 2012 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

SHUT YO MOUTH!

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

SHUT LARS' MOUTH TOO WHILE YOU'RE AT IT

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:03 PM PST up reply actions  

My bad

I had Matt Cain on my brain. That being said, everything that I wrote about Cain and the Giants goes double for Timmy and the Giants, except substitute Seattle for Tennessee. I don’t see Timmy going for the highest bid in free agency. I don’t think that he wants to play for the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Nationals, the Rangers or Detroit – I think that he’ll stay in the Western part of the USA. And 5 for $85M would be something that the Giants would sign him to in a millisecond if he were crazy enough to accept it.

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by Fla-Giant on Jan 12, 2012 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe he has already said that he is not.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Cain on the brain, insane in the membrane

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

#4 and superseding

The Giants don’t offer him 5 years/$85 M

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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I have a hard time believing that Lincecum would accept a 5 year deal for less than $20M AAV.

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by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I joined the Fla-Giant discussion of Cain

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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Er, or Cain for that matter. I’m expecting it’ll probably take 5/100 to get it done.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

And I think the Giants know that.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Boo

This was the party thread

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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

That almost balances out Selig.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought this was gonna say Moore for a second.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 11, 2012 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

The 49ers’ playoff anthem is awful. I am so glad the Giants got Don’t Stop Believin’ (and at least Ashkon was bearable).

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by garbanzo24 on Jan 11, 2012 5:49 PM PST reply actions  

Honey badger don't care

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I would like the Raiders to draft Mathieu in 2013.

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by bigboneded on Jan 11, 2012 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

is able

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 6:02 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Per earlier

P and C report date: 2/19

http://bayarea.sbnation.com/san-francisco-giants/2012/1/11/2701000/san-francisco-giants-spring-training-2012-pitcher-catchers-scottsdale-tim-lincecum-buster-posey

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by bigboneded on Jan 11, 2012 6:12 PM PST reply actions  

Bud Selig
He currently earns more than $22MM per year.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2012/01/bud-selig-to-receive-extension.html

What the fuck?

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by EricW on Jan 11, 2012 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

So the owners were da happie!

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by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

MLB franchised him

Selig has to earn the average of the top five commissioners

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

YAY VOGEY!

Now get a deal done with Cain, dammit!

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by EliminateMe on Jan 11, 2012 6:38 PM PST reply actions  

Andrew Baggarly @extrabaggs 7m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
All quiet on TIm Lincecum contract front, but Giants say talks with Matt Cain have been "healthy, ongoing" bit.ly/yXtDLr

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by DFARowand on Jan 11, 2012 6:48 PM PST reply actions  

Cain next please!

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- Edgar Renteria or a hooker bribing a family man?

by Scooter Ellis on Jan 11, 2012 6:55 PM PST reply actions  

?

huh?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

he's not really making $26 mil

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by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

TEH TELEMETRY SAIZ NO

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Shift A

Yeah, cause the number one pitching extension of this offseason should totally be Vogelsong. That makes total sense.

Happy for him, but, yeah: Matt Cain and Tim Lincecum please.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 7:04 PM PST reply actions  

it was probably the easiest deal to get done.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:08 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

To paraphrase the reporting: “Mutual interest on a multiyear deal.”

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Bobby Evans on Lincecum:

"With Lincecum, my expectations is there will always be discussions until there’s a deal," Evans said. "There is never anything less than maximum effort on both sides to come to terms in as timely a fashion as reasonably possible. Whether it results in (an arbitration) hearing or not, you can’t always control. You do the best you can to find common ground, I remain optimistic we will."

On Cain:

The Giants have been just as public in their desire to wrap up a long-term extension with Matt Cain, who is under contract for $15 million this season but will be a free agent at the end of the year. Unlike Lincecum, Cain isn’t tied to the arbitration schedule. So there was the assumption the Giants might wait until after they clear their arbitration docket (they have Angel Pagan, Melky Cabrera, Sergio Romo, Nate Schierholtz, Santiago Casilla and others to prepare for, too) before turning their attention to Cain.

But as Evans told me today, "Hey, I can multitask."

Evans confirmed that the club has spoken with Cain’s representatives in recent days. He described the talks as "very healthy dialogue and it’s ongoing."

Source: Baggs

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

So Vogey shows up with a pen eager to sign a fair deal and the Giants should have told him "Not now, we're busy"?

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:41 AM PST up reply actions  

If signing Vogelsong means they weren’t able to negotiate with Cain and Lincecum, there are bigger issues than that.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, this I never knew.

Via Wikipedia:

In the early years of Candlestick Park, the Giants home stadium, the area behind right field was open except for three small bleacher sections. When McCovey came to bat, typically those bleachers would empty as the fans positioned themselves on the flat ground hoping to catch a McCovey home run ball – anticipating the gathering of boats in McCovey Cove, a generation later, when Barry Bonds would bat.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 7:05 PM PST reply actions  

That is awesome. I knew about the open area but not about the McCovey…Lot?

Feed the Panda some bamboo

by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

All the kids would run there with their gloves

They believed and would yell “Willie Mac, hit it to me!”

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by Rolfyboy on Jan 11, 2012 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Teaser..
keithlaw keithlaw 52s Reply Retweet Favorite · Open Ask in chat tmrw - answer too long "dkmuldoon: I know it’s not a super-consequential move, but thoughts on Vogelsong for 2/$8?"

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by DFARowand on Jan 11, 2012 7:16 PM PST reply actions  

I have no idea why the font ended up like that

Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"

by DFARowand on Jan 11, 2012 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Ask in chat tmrw

2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 11, 2012 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Th sn wll cme up tmrw!

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by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Anything between two @ symbols will change to that, like this

Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES

by mymclife on Jan 11, 2012 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

sarcasm font

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Jan 12, 2012 7:56 AM PST up reply actions  

oh my, we’d all wear out our “@” keys.

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

ǝpnp ɹǝʌǝʇɐɥʍ

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Woah, how did you do that?

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

fliptext.org and then the html crap for color and font size.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

really?

answer is too long? how complicated can it possibly be?

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 7:40 PM PST up reply actions  

he is too busy counting money

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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo

by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Dude needs website hits.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

He made a bet with the Astros that he could outdraw them. If he loses, he has to work for them.

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 11, 2012 7:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice capper

I know that technically they’re not connected, but I think this re-acquisition and re-signing makes the Vogelsong + Our-Mando for Schmidt deal Sabean’s best ever. Wotta swindle!

(Previously, I’d go with Hamilton for Burks because challenge trades are much harder to win so convincingly.)

"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html

by achiappanza on Jan 11, 2012 7:35 PM PST reply actions  

Pirate FO should never take

a call from the Giants ever again.

Schmidt
Morris
Sanchez
Lopez

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 7:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I’m not sure lumping Sanchez and Lopez in there with Schmidt and Morris is right. It’s more like:

Schmidt
Morris

Sanchez
Lopez

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Uh...

Lopez was pretty crucial to the postseason success. I’d move it up to the top bracket.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

That just means we got good value from it. It doesn’t mean they got ripped off or could have gotten better value for their trade piece.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Bowker and Martinez? Both guys who did absolutely nothing for them?

I guess I could agree that if they aren’t contending anyway, Lopez doesn’t do them much good anyway, but as far as productivity goes, I don’t see how they weren’t fleeced.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

feel good story is worth at least 8 mil, no?

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 7:42 PM PST reply actions  

Depends on whether they a cut of The Franchise DVDs

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ve got a Steelers friend whose birthday is coming up in a week. I’ve convinced my friends to chip in for a Tim Tebow replica jersey. Is this a good idea or a great idea?

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

Why do you hate your friend?

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

She’s really annoying about the Steelers.

And I’m a huge troll.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

just not in the what?

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

end zone.

You know.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

End zone

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

WINK WINK

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought that was de rigueur these days

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t get it

Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll bet you do, you Canadian ponce.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

No.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

What a prude.

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Steeler fan, brought it upon theirself.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much. She’s from Seattle, started at Pitt in 2005, and rooted for the Steelers over the Seahawks in the Superbowl. That’s all kind of messed up.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I was about to ask: “Is he from Pittsburgh?” Because it’s defendable then.

Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

So, you’re using the term “fan” pretty loosely.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

No, no, she’s definitely a Steelers fan. She has actual Steelers gear that she wore to our Superbowl party last year (LOL HER!). I think she just wasn’t interested in the NFL until 2005, but she’s definitely followed them since then.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know how any human can root for this (WARNING: THOSE WITH WEAK CONSTITUTIONS SHOULD TURN AWAY):

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

WHAT IF I LIKE FANCY HATS?!

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like he about to leave to a costume party. He is going as Alec Baldwin's THE SHADOW

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Takes a big fucking hat to suck down on that noggin’

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

gives Boch a run for his money

Boch stil wins, but yeesh

Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...

by Smoke on the Water on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

That is nowhere near the worst picture ever. In fact, it’s pretty good because it’s almost impossible to tell it’s Rapelisberger

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Blech

Also, I flew down to LA the Tuesday after the PIT-SF blackout game. There were so, so many delicious tears from Steelers fans for breakfast.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Rockin’ it Miami University style.
That’s the way they wear it down at P&G.

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This looks like the “Green Hornet” (2011)

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

GREAT

Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"

by DFARowand on Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

GREATEST

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

GREATESTEREST

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

PS

I had the opportunity to dine near Georgia Frontiere and got her to sign a photo of her celebrating the opening game of the St Louis Rams; alas, my friend the LA Rams fan was none too pleased. Excellent.

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Los Angeles Rams of Anaheim

Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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by ResDog on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

you mean the Los Angeles Raiders of Anaheim (or anywhere-heim)

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

The only birthday present worthy for a Steelers fan is to fling a bag of burning dog poop at their front door from a speeding vehicle.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

She lives in an apartment on the third floor. I don’t think my arm is that good.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think I could even manage a ground floor throw, anyway.

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Design some sort of cannon.

You may even win an award.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Locally sourced!

Beer pong robot

Looks pretty sweet.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Can you get a Steelers jersey (of any sort) with Tebow’s name and number on it, and act confused when she points out the error?

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m not sure. I’ll look into it.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Custom NFL Jersey

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:24 PM PST up reply actions  

idk if they let you

get jerseys for current players’ last names with the same number they wear IRL

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Bummer :(

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, they don’t.

League player names must match current team rosters and the team for which they currently play

WHAT IF HER LAST NAME WAS TEBOW?!

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean, there have gotta be some Smiths out there who would love to have a non-49ers 99 jersey!

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought there might be something screwy like that, that’s why I wrote “of any sort”

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Get a black jersey with the appropriate yellow lettering from some shady t-shirt shop and then say when you give it “We had a really hard time finding this”

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it doesn’t even let you proceed if you enter “Tebow” under the name field.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Alert ESPN! Breaking news!

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

TEI30W

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

HAHAH!

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Unfortunately, you can’t put in numbers, or that would be unbelievably brilliant.

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Teebow? Teboe? Teabow?

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Teabeau

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Goofus, not really a Patsy


Played for the Infants

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Bummer

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Thiebaud pie and cakes

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Dammit, now I’m hungry again.

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Amy G with the Greatest (WORST) Explanation Ever
Amy Gutierrez @AmyGGiants
“Club” option = Team option RT @Adeer1: @AmyGGiants What does Cub option mean?

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 11, 2012 7:59 PM PST reply actions  

They don't call them ballteams!

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

It means you’re able to sign the player, but the Cubs pay for the salary. Just added into the 2012 CBA

Feed the Panda some bamboo

by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Read again, it really means

The little bear has choices.

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Boo Boo can eat pin-a-nic baskets...or Rangers

Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP

by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Should he produce offspring with a bear, the resulting spawn is legally your property.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Cub option means the player has the choice to tank the season and enjoy life in Chicago instead.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

"enjoy"

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Jan 12, 2012 7:48 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it meant

He could add bacon to any sandwich at the pregame spread.

GIANTS BASEBALL: HOPE LIKE HELL!

by Cody_ransom on Jan 12, 2012 3:16 PM PST up reply actions  

So has anyone eaten at F McKintocks in Pismo?

Best stake I have ever had.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it’s not too bad, particularly for Central Coast. Funky decor is funky.

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it was a little strange inside. Plus the whole water pour thing is weird

But the filet fell apart in my mouth. It was amazing.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

how ’bout them oysters?

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Didn't get them. And no one was brave enough for the Turkey Nuts.

I had the BBQd half artichoke. It was amazing.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

couldn’t afford to eat there until I had graduated from Cal Poly and paid off my loans! What were you doing down that way?

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Work conference at the Embassy Suites up the freeway in SLO

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The one next to The Madonna

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

if you have time, also try Cafe Roma in town near the train station. As excellent as you’ll find.

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Already back in Fresno. But if I am ever back, I'll get right on it.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Embassy Suites is still the only decent place to stay in SLO.

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

the water thing was particularly entertaining when it went errantly close to my daughter’s roomates.

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

uh?
Vampire restaurant?

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

F McKlintocks I mean.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

stake?

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

....

quiet you.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

well, I’m guessing scout6 had a little vino, too. Steak, McClintocks, etc…

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually I went booze free, I was feeling ill yesterday.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Was the dialogue a little wooden?

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

YOU ARE TOO LATE

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d bet that I was!

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

The sun’s almost up!

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Not bad, but I prefer AJ Spurs down the freeway a few miles.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:01 AM PST up reply actions  

ok, enough here with the laughing

/time to watch some sitcoms

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by son of ggf on Jan 11, 2012 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Uh huh
Cody Ross @IamCodyRoss
@Bossmom13 OMGosh!!! My mom is on twitter!!!!! Words of advise: Don’t talk shish about me cause she will respond with vengeance!
Retweeted by Andrew Baggarly

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

I guess she doesn’t know about his brief tenure as a Dodger

The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo

by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 8:28 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Ah, a mother’s love knows no bounds.

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That tweet contains a lot of failure.

by Every6thDay on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I’ll just assume: sent from a phone, with a mind of its own.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Even Baggs gives Cain no love
Vogelsong, 33, also joined Lincecum and Brian Wilson on the NL All-Star team

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 11, 2012 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

Sandoval

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 11, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

How quick the correction?

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by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

/Cain alone at the table pic

by Bar None on Jan 11, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Him, too.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 11, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Cody Ross @IamCodyRoss 2 Jan Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
@Bossmom13 OMGosh!!! My mom is on twitter!!!!! Words of advise: Don’t talk shish about me cause she will respond with vengeance!

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by DFARowand on Jan 11, 2012 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

Braking!

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by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Bad!

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Staking!

Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.

by tobias on Jan 12, 2012 6:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I’m watching kangaroos fight.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 11, 2012 8:49 PM PST reply actions  

Out your window or on the bewb tube?

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by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Nature on PBS

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 11, 2012 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re watching Frasier.

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Now we're watching NOVA

It’s about trying to recreate the bombing of German dams during WWII. My husband lives for this shit.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 11, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

We’re dvr’ing that.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s amazing how much my hippy, pacifist husband loves this WWII crap. Fascination with Nazis seem to come bundled with a set of balls.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 11, 2012 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

To bomb you all with another link.

A guitar great on WWII movies (see last question)

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by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

There’s an Inside the Clubhouse on right now, trying to figure out if we’ve seen it before.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

mmmmmmm RDF

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 11, 2012 9:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Saw that one.

The one about Buster & Freddy rehab is supposed to air next week, I think.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 11, 2012 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

featured prominently in the film of The Wall!

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

You have command of the Wall.

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

night falls and so my watch begins

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Jan 11, 2012 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

YOU WANT ME ON THAT WALL

YOU NEED ME ON THAT WALL

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

It shall not end until my death

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by speckops on Jan 11, 2012 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children

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by calgiants86 on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Connections

Any one in Cafe Nervosa wearing a pouch?

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by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

YA reply fail

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by Lunkus on Jan 11, 2012 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

What a farce you've landed us in.

Hey baby, I hear the blues a’ calling tossed salad and scrambled eggs…oh my.

by ohcleverhansyou on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

MLB Network is counting down top 40 memorable LCS moments.

Pujols’ unicorn shot is coming up for any that are interested.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 PM PST reply actions  

(“Unicorn shot”?)

Not many right-handed hitters can turn on a high and inside 96-mph fastball from an RHP.

by non sequitur on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 PM PST up reply actions  

This may come as a surprise to you, but Albert Pujols is good.

by wcw on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Veritably, I am shocked.

by non sequitur on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah.

Brad Lidge must be one of those rare, lucky people who suffered a huge playoff letdown but succeeded in a second chance.

by non sequitur on Jan 11, 2012 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

I just remember how this seemed to destroy Lidge.

Took him a year to recover.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

It did, and his 2008 was golden. But I’m looking on BBRef now and actually some of his peripherals weren’t all that great — 35 walks in 69.1 innings, for instance.

by non sequitur on Jan 11, 2012 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite part is the way the unicorn is nuzzling his bat.

Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all

by El Person on Jan 12, 2012 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Alexi Ogando knows

he will never be the same

Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....

by kb2011sfg on Jan 12, 2012 6:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I barely know what one of those things are.

Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter

by scout6 on Jan 11, 2012 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I’ll be your mirror.

by wcw on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Reflect what you are.

"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark

by iammclovin on Jan 12, 2012 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Lou Reed a part of the suit? If so, I side with him.

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by ResDog on Jan 12, 2012 6:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I believe it is the Reed/Cale empire versus the Warhol borg.

On the business side afaict Reed and Cale are not at all nice guys, but man, the borg is worse.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I am on Niko's side

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 6:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I didn’t know she had changed her name again. Recquiescat, Christa.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

My dog’s named after her, but with a “c.”

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Jan 12, 2012 8:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m glad that re-signing a potential one-year-wonder was more important than signing poor Matt Cain. No one really does want to sit at his table :(

Ok so I’m fucking pissed. I managed to come up with great tickets and nearly impossible to get backstage passes for the chili peppers show at the Oracle Feb 18th as part of my Valentines Day surprise for Britney and now Keidis just had surgery and the tour is postponed until August. That was like my big thing I was doing for her and now I need a really good idea. She makes a big deal out of Valentines Day and I have to come up with something totally awesome now; quiet dinner and a movie or whatever isn’t really our speed. Suggestions?

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by giant4life83 on Jan 11, 2012 11:28 PM PST reply actions  

as to point no. 1

Vogelsong’s deal came first because 1) he is up for arbitration and 2) it is a much easier deal to complete.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 11, 2012 11:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Rec.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t know what I’d do without you people. Probably be closer to normal, I’d imagine…

<3 Kanani Madison

by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

With the Chili Peppers it’s more like dick in a sock.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 7:37 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I prefer to believe theirs wander the earth now and then in true trickster fashion, with the socks present to distract.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

FIFY
My dick in a box

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I know a guy who did this for Valentine's Day.

It did not end well.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

And remember kids, if you put in the popcorn box, unbuttered, unsalted popcorn would be advisable.

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by Lunkus on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Caution

Johnny Disaster’s dick may contain MSG.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

It gives women headaches.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

That’s what Viliphied told me.

"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

How does that level compared to that found in Alex_Lewis’?

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

100% Natural, and a headache cure to boot!

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok just unsalted

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by Lunkus on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Aren’t popcorn boxes really small?

by City Girl on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Better get the bucket

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I am naturally salty!

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

this is not your fault, right?

You still have the tickets? then what is the problem? I am assuming it was going to be a surprise. You can extend Valentines day into August. A nice dinner date and an explanation, I am sure she will understand….if not never mind I have enough enemies

I sit and await always faithful to the giants

by luved the stick on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

give her the tickets, explain what happened and take her out for dinner.

Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Jan 12, 2012 7:12 AM PST up reply actions  

no its not my fault. but that doesn’t mean I’m giving up (see below comment on learning and singing Don’t Forget Me). I’m still knocking this one out of the park

<3 Kanani Madison

by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Learn to play the guitar & perform her favorite RHCP song for her. Or just sing it & record it.

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by ResDog on Jan 12, 2012 6:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Do this.

Though recent events tell me my advice in this arena should never be trusted.

by Cap M on Jan 12, 2012 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Ah, another reason why I love my wife. If I ever tried to do this, neither one of us could keep a straight face after like the first 5 seconds.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

which is also why this is a really good idea. The first half of songs are typically easier to learn and I’d never make it past a minute before we’d bust up laughing.

and its the thought that counts. You are a gold mine!

<3 Kanani Madison

by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

def not more important

The time tables push the arb cases before established contracts, but in Cain’s case, the Giants and his agent are talking.

I will be pissed if he leaves after this year, but I will hold my breath until then.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 7:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate Valentine’s Day. That is the worst of the Hallmark bullshit, IMHO. Trying to something nice for your SO shouldn’t be so stressful.

"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark

by iammclovin on Jan 12, 2012 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

We’ve had a tradition of combining our birthdays and valentines and going to the Giants home opener and the Sharks home regular season closer. but we’re old and decided about 6 or 7 years ago that experiences were more important than stuff.

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

This. My “birthday present” is going to see They Might Be Giants, 3 weeks after my birthday.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh how fun! TMBG were Christmas presents awhile back. Where are they playing? We saw them in SF it was a fun [tho weird] show.

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

They are always weird, which I love. They are playing here in Santa Cruz on the 27th. It’s the beginning of the tour, so they may be even more weird and just trying things out. Santa Cruz is the place to do that, tho.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

see, I like Valentines Day. Its that one day a year when really going over the top doesn’t make you look crazy. And girls really did seem to appreciate all the effort

<3 Kanani Madison

by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

OT - Dr. Rosanelli

Should Dwight Clark be “amazed with the results”, or amazed at the results?

Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.

by tobias on Jan 12, 2012 6:21 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

preach it

"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I can’t rec this any harder.

Ask me about my blog.

by xanthan on Jan 12, 2012 6:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Also, Andy only took them so that he could heal quicker and get back on the field to help his team!

Ask me about my blog.

by xanthan on Jan 12, 2012 6:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Andy: “I took HGH. For that I’m very sorry.”
/rumbles in press conference
Andy: “But hey! You want to know who else took steroids?”
/media nodding their head feverishly

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by ResDog on Jan 12, 2012 6:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Im glad Roger Clemens got caught

I think people are still going to want him in the hall because how much the writers used to fanboy over him
but they wont be able to justify to themselves putting the rocket in and not bonds
so they will eventually vote for Bonds where if Bonds was still the alone as the “Poster Boy for Steroids” he might not have gotten their votes.

Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man

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by operation carrot on Jan 12, 2012 6:43 AM PST up reply actions  

all the "i'll never vote for a roider!!!" articles I've seen so far

say that both Clemens and Bonds are NO

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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.

by jponry on Jan 12, 2012 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I may be naive,

But I think Bonds gets in too. Def not 1st ballot tho

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

He should be first ballot,

I just don’t think he has a shot.

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

BBWAA

I don’t think the BBWAA are necessarily a monolithic lot, but I do see plenty of writers for whom HOF voting is more about them. Here is their big annual chance to hold court, feed their sense of self-importance, and right past wrongs.

Sports writers like these really believe that they are the reason why people follow sports. They believe that it’s their colorful prose that excites and inspires, not the athletes and their performances. To writers like these, the perfectly-performed public apology (and it does have to be perfect) is the kissing of the ring. Without our great sports media, sports as we know them wouldn’t exist, nor would the mega-million dollar contacts that these athletes enjoy.

Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.

by tobias on Jan 12, 2012 7:29 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Though in all fairness, there are sports about which I only care if Joe Posnanski writes on them.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 8:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Are the BBWAA even qualified to vote on the hall

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was technically their hall.

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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I vote on my hall

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by son of ggf on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

What’s not to get? People are biased and irrational.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t forget he was a True Yankee™.

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by Natto on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Starlin Castro being question about sexual assault allegations.

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Jan 12, 2012 7:22 AM PST reply actions  

Perhaps I'm pessimistic by nature

But if a guy sucks for 10 years and then is good for one, why shouldn’t I think that the next year, he’s more likely to suck than be good?

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 7:27 AM PST reply actions  

and

it’s 4 million a year for two years. That 40% Blanton money

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:30 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Yeah

Even as pissed as I have been at the front office this whole offseason, it is hard for me to get worked up for a 4 million a year for a 4th starter.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

It's certainly not more money than is reasonable

But it is most definitely more money than they had to spend. And for a team with, apparently, no money to upgrade their offense significantly, that bugs me.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

he was coming back for $3 million this year due to arb and no alternative.

Huff, Rowand, Mole and Affeldt come off the books next year. They can spare the $4 million for a SP.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:41 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Did he?

From the Fangraphs analysis post:

While setting career highs in all of the major categories suggests that Vogelsong is likely a better pitcher than he was previously, his pitch data doesn’t necessarily support the idea that his prior career performances can be so easily ignored.

From 2003 to 2006, his fastball averaged 92.0 MPH. Last year, it was 91.4. Previously, opposing batters made contact with 82.7% of the pitches he threw. Last year, they made contact 83.4% of the time. He didn’t add any new pitches, didn’t make batters miss bats with any more regularity, and didn’t find the ability to pound the zone with strikes like never before. He basically threw the same stuff he threw before he went to Japan, only this time, it got him outs.

Maybe he just learned how to pitch. Maybe he hid the ball better. Or maybe Dave Righetti’s just a magician. There’s no real way to know exactly why Vogelsong got better results last year, and without an obvious explanation for the improvement, the risk of regression has to be considered higher than it would if we had some reasonable cause for the phenomenon.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/giants-extend-vogelsong/

I mean, it’s not a lot of money. But the Giants have now committed 23 million dollars over the next two years to Lopez, Affeldt, and Vogelsong. Shit adds up.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

and run support.

$4 million…that is not even 1 WAR. He was coming back this for $3 million anyways.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:36 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

He had a career low in BB/9. Maybe that helped.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Sure

But why is that not a fluke? We have lots of data points that indicate he’s likely to walk a bunch more guys next season.

It’s not like this is some long-term turnaround. Vogelsong had a 4.81 ERA in AAA in 2010. He was legitimately terrible a year ago. And now he’s penned in as our #4 starter for the next two years because of one good season completely out of line with the path of his career?

I like Vogelsong. I absolutely wanted him to come back via arbitration, where he was set to make about 3 million dollars.

But tacking on another 5+ million in liability if he turns back into a pumpkin? Seems unnecessary.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess the going rate for “cinderella story” is about $5M.

I think he’ll do fine.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

What seems unnecessary is the hand wringing over paying 4MM a year for two years to a fourth starter who (gasp!) might not work out. It is addressing the splinter while ignoring the 2×4.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It's an inefficient allocation of resources in my opinion.

If you think me saying that qualifies as wringing my hands, then I’ll use extra moisturizer tonight.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather they spend the money on the rotation than the bullpen.

While I am with you on the whole budget inefficiency thing, this deal — in a vacuum — is fine. That bullpen balderdash is really cocking up the math, though.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s not even comparable to the bullpen gripes.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ll have Vic send you an email with brand recommendations.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

no oh no

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by Alex_Lewis on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

His BABIP was a little lower than his career but fangragh has him at 2.2 WAR even with a slightly higher BABIP this year.

Also his groundball rate was significantly higher than his career average but so was his HR/FB ratio.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:49 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

he also threw significantly fewer fastball while throwing more cutters and curveballs.

That resulted in a significant increase in GB percentage and GB/FB ratio.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:55 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

That resulted in a significant increase in GB percentage and GB/FB ratio.

I mean, maybe? You don’t really know that.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

My suspicion is his cutter had a lot to do with it. When he’s on, that pitch looks nasty.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s possible, and cutters and CBs do get more GBs. I’m debating more the certainty with which this was asserted.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. The two are correlated, but the causation is of course the goal of this investigation. I doubt we’ll get any satisfying answers.

My impression from watching him remains that his success was a combination of good command of his pitches, his cutter in particular. There were definitely still days where he couldn’t locate his FB, and he leaned on his breaking stuff to keep hitters off balance rather than just try to pump in strikes and hope they didn’t sit in the middle of the plate.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Some good points by FG, although I’m pretty sure that Vogie did have much better command and control in 2011 than he had shown in his previous seasons.

One other note of caution, I’m pretty sure that the following was the overwhelming consensus around here when we signed Aubrey Huff to his 2 year deal last offseason – and that didn’t work out very well.

Second reaction: If he’s 75% as good this season, this is still a cost-effective move.

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by Fla-Giant on Jan 12, 2012 7:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Odd argument, since it’s immediately apparent from looking at the pitch-type data the author cites that Vogelsong is throwing a considerably different mix of pitches than he used to.

More to the point, he’s throwing more strikes. Maybe that will continue and maybe it won’t, but it’s a huge difference between the Vogelsong of 2004-5 and the Vogelsong of today.

by Evan on Jan 12, 2012 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if it's anyone here

but some good analysis in the comment section of the FG article

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DrB used to post here.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 8:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I am not thrilled with the editing in this article.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 8:57 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe Dave Righetti’s just a magician

I am going with this

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 7:57 AM PST up reply actions  

bargaining chip for the Cain and Lincecum negotiations

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:59 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Players swung at 8% more pitches outside the zone than his career (so likely about 10% more than 2003-2006). I say that’s a big difference. He must have changed something.

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by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

He also just looked like he was locating a lot better. Looking at the BB/9 in isolation is one thing, but when you remember that for a stretch he could hit a dime in the back of the catcher’s mitt, it tells you that something was clicking for him, at least for a while.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

According to him, he stopped worrying about making a perfect pitch and just threw the damn pitch that was called. That and I think his pitch selection improved (which may be the secret ingredient to Righetti sauce).

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. I put a lot of trust in Righetti via Posey and Stewart.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m not sure what was trying to be said.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I am defentitley against this deal. Happy for Ryan but the FO should have just given him a nice one year deal and see how he did. And if that meant you lose him to FA he wouldn’t be that hard to replace.

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by say hey nation on Jan 12, 2012 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

A FA pitcher would probably cost the same amount, yes.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s also quite good at hitting and fielding. If Vogelsong can pitch half so well as he did last year, he’s a bargain.

Plus it’s nice that he and his lovely wife get a big payday.

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by Alex_Lewis on Jan 12, 2012 9:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Guess Who Part Whatever

OBP 1: .268
OBP 2: .253
OBP 3: .241 (note: this guy had a lot more power)

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice article about Vogelsong

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2012/01/11/a-grateful-ryan-vogelsong-looks-ahead-to-2012-ill-put-us-up-against-anybody-in-the-league/

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 7:39 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

Who is asking KLaw

about Vogelsong in his chat today?

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You can say that again!

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 8:06 AM PST up reply actions  

the mobile app can be weirdly buggy. I hit submit once

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Who is asking KLaw

about Vogelsong in his chat today?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:05 AM PST via Android app reply actions  

Weird

phone silliness again

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:06 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Glad he's back and glad he got paid

So give him his feel good money, and then trade him to the Mets next December for RA Dickey or something.

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by kennv on Jan 12, 2012 8:08 AM PST reply actions  

The offense is a problem

But I am not going to continue to beat that drum every time the Giants spend their couch cushion money on something else. Based on the stuff we are hearing, it looks like the position player side of things is done from a Sabean perspective. I can still think that the front office’s belief that they have adequately addressed the team’s offense issues is stupid.

In other words, 4 million a year to Vogelsong matters little in the overall scheme of things. If lineups are like deckchairs on the Titanic, this signing is like a bandaid on that ship’s hull gash.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 8:09 AM PST reply actions  

YOU ARE GETTING POSEY AND FREDDIE BACK!!!! AND THEN THERE’S MELKY AND THAT OTHER DUDE!!!!! THE OFFENSE WILL BE FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINE!!!!! NOW SHUT UP AND DRINK THE KOOL AID!

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Can I have something other than koolaid? Sunny D maybe?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:13 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm on board...

If it’s Tang. If not, NO DICE!

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by danieljgrant on Jan 12, 2012 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

4 million a year to Vogelsong matters little, sure.

So does 4 million a year to Lopez.

So does 5 million a year for Affeldt.

Hey, who’s that guy we coulda used who’s getting paid 13 million next year?

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 8:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That Titanic has sailed, GP

Read my post again. I agree that they haven’t addressed their offense issues.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Right

But I was objecting to the idea that it matters little. Contracts like this matter rather a lot, since teams give a lot of them out, and the opportunity cost of them, in sum, can be rather high.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 8:24 AM PST up reply actions  

meh

They think they are done. I can think that opinion is stupid (and I do!) But at this point in time, it matters little. Their opportunity to do something useful this offseason is gone.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

But then who will catch?

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I always pencil the tall lefty in at first.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Last year, we would have welcomed his production from 1B. Shudder.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Bumgarner?

Yea he would have outhit Huff I think

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

1) It would 9 million next year

2) You would still need to sign a decent 4th starter who would be about 5-6 million

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 8:22 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

4 million to Vogelson != 5 million to Affeldt or 4 million to Lopez.

What’s do you suggest we do instead of signing Vogelsong? If he pitches for us this year, he’s going to make at least 2.5 million in arbitration. We need 5 starters.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

A supersonic pitching staff...

…along with a league-averageish* offense can do good things.

A league-averageish offense seems pretty likely if one believes in ZiPS projections.

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 8:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Then it just comes down to correctly using the resources and hoping like hell that there isn’t another rash of injuries or one catastrophic injury. That’s the thing about shooting for average: it takes very little to knock you down to below average or just plain terrible.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

other teams deal with the same randomness

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

dude we have one of the top 10 prospects in all of baseball

and he couldn’t even crack the starting lineup. that’s DEPTH

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Bochy not putting him in the lineup is not the same thing as him not cracking the starting lineup.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

So he provides depth!

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not depth that matters.

It’s girth.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

How many teams actively aim for an average offense because they bank on historically great pitching year in and year out?

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

How many teams even have a prayer of having a rotation as stellar as the Giants?

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Nobody else has top 5 SP and RP

At lease preseason unreliable rankings

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I was just going off the rotation. Personally, I think bullpens are volatile and discount them entirely when figuring out (preseason) who does and does not have great pitching (Mariano Rivera excepted, of course).

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

you can't just arbitrarily ignore all the strength of the Giants because of inherent randomness

and complain that the one facet they are counting on regression towards the mean (offense) is inadequate.

The defense might be the best in the NL West.
The starting pitching is the best in the NL West
The bullpen is best in the NL West

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

heh

I started to type up a disagreement about the defense, but right in the middle of it I realized you may be right.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Not if Huff starts in the OF, but otherwise, it actually might be true. Cabrera isn’t that good, either, tho, right?

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

He ain’t no Torres
/sobs quietly in a corner

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I miss him so much already.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m going to have to put my Torres jersey in a different part of the closet, so I don’t see it every damn day.

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Cabrera is plus in corner, but Pagan is plus in center so as long as Pagan is in CF he is basically torres.

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

If Cabrera is in a corner (it’s ok to put Cabrera in a corner) he’s at least average, probably above.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I really want Nate to play RF finally, but they will insist on Huff.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I think Huff is LF only this year.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

When he’s in the outfield.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes, but then Melky will play RF.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Regression towards the mean puts the offense at average. Regression towards the mean puts the pitching at average.

It’s not so arbitrary when you consider that pitching is the most volatile asset in baseball. It literally changes in terms of quality year to year. And this is even more apparent with bullpen performances. Add to that, Wilson might have significant DL time this year, Romo might as well, and… is it still the best bullpen in the NL West?

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Excuse me. I hit post before I was done:

… if those two injuries occur, then is it still the best bullpen in the NL West? No. And even losing one of those guys dents the quality significantly. The offense isn’t designed to lose any performance from pitching. And we haven’t even talked about the back end of the Giants’ rotation.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

That is some serious what-ifery.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

My baseball talent worldview year to year is, essentially: pitching gets worse, hitting stays about the same.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 AM PST up reply actions  

So you should only employ young pitchers and old hitters? You should love the Giants, then.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

They like bad old hitters, is the thing. And I’m all for hitting with upside. That’s where the “about” part of the same comes in. There’s wiggle room either way.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:50 AM PST up reply actions  

that is because most team don’t. have a great pitching staff. Late 80s A’s and Dodgers, mid 90s Braves, the 2000s D-Backs, 2000s Yankees, 2000s As all had very good pitching for a long time

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 9:48 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz were so awesome, I couldn’t even hate the Braves then.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

We're talking like 3 or 4 year windows with all those teams

except the Braves, who had a longer peak with their big three and bullpen and, more importantly, had an above average offense for a decade-plus.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

That was like the anti-Giants 2011

And you should apply it to everyone else, too. Like Putz for example.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, well, the Diamondbacks could pitch bad enough to fall

back to 90 wins. Can the Giants beat 90 wins? Probably not. Of course, their “out” is that they probably won’t need to because of a 2nd wild card, so, we’ll see.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Giants can’t win 4 more games than last year?

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 9:58 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Maybe not. They won 88 in 2009. That seems like their ceiling, given their level of spending and ability to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

They won 88 because of their poor first half which had Joe Martinez/Wellemeyer as the no 5 SP and Molina as C

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Joe Martinez/Wellemeyer as the no 5 SP

For the record, the number 5 SP is just as bad now.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

That dude was also in the rotation then, and just as bad, if not worse.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Look, it’s easy for people to say “Why not us?” and then just believe the team is going to be great. That’s fine. That’s just not how I operate.

All the ingredients for failure are already there. It would be no surprise if Huff does nothing. It would be no surprise if Freddy Sanchez plays less than 40 games. It would be no surprise if Buster Posey struggles and is less than the 4-win player the Giants expect him to be (and that can be either because of the injury or because of the league figuring him out forcing him to adjust). Tim Lincecum, while still excellent, has been trending downward in performance, it’s impossible to know what % of his 2011 Vogelsong can/will repeat. Zito is Zito and will be bad or barely serviceable at best. Again, Wilson’s arm/shoulder are concerns and Romo’s elbow is cranky.

The organization’s mindset is that they suck on offense — that they’re going to struggle to score runs no matter what. The players have bought into this (they have since the ‘09) and that’s not going to help.

It’s just a lot easier for me to look at them, on paper, and shrug. And because I am still more invested in the Giants than any other team, of course I’m going to magnify their flaws a lot more than those of other team’s because I know more about them. In my view, the Giants’ flaws are mostly self-inflicted, and for that I have no sympathy and I have no reason to err on the side of optimism.

And I’m far happier when they prove me wrong than when they succeed when I expect them to succeed. And, again, that’s just me.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I disagree
The organization’s mindset is that they suck on offense — that they’re going to struggle to score runs no matter what.

I think their philosphy is that, with limited resources, they needed to keep their strength (pitching) intact and felt that their bunch of meh-to-great players were not worth the cost of the upgrades (Reyes, Beltran, Filder, etc) or not worth the risk

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

How many teams actively aim for an average offense

Giants aim for 4 runs scored. They won 90%+ games they score 4 in.

Also scored like 40 runs below where they should have (putrid BA with 2 out, RISP)

Team put major pressure on scoring last year, only to make everyone press, and therefor suck. I hope they just dial it back, and let the hitters do their thing.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Team put major pressure on scoring last year, only to make everyone press, and therefor suck. I hope they just dial it back, and let the hitters do their thing.

We do know that the hitting did suck, and I don’t doubt that they were pressing, but I’d be careful with the "therefore"s. There were probably a lot of reasons that they sucked, though I would agree that they underperformed relative to their talent level.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Giants aim for 4 runs scored. They won 90%+ games they score 4 in.

I’d bet that you’d be surprised by how well other teams with shittier pitching perform when the score 4 runs.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think the Giants will score 648 runs in 2012.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they’ll probably be relatively close to that. I’d probably go with 640 ± 20 runs for the season total.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

/cain gets 80 RBIs, Giants immediately re-sign him

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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

If we assume Belt and Fontenot are not starters

They could absorb an injury to one of Huff, Carbrera and Nate and an injury to Crawford or Freddy and be ok.

Panda and Posey are the injuries that would kill them. Defense would be a problem if Pagan were to get hurt.

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Fontenot played 3rd pretty well.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Fontenot would have trouble replacing Panda's bat

was more my point

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by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey, he batted 3rd for a week or two!

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea

I believe the Giants org brass when they say things like

Huff in LF
Belt at 1B
number 1 and 2 priorities offseason is upping Cain and Lincecum.

They said all those things at end of last year.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. If Tim/Cain/Bum go down, that’s likely a 3 win dropoff to Surkamp.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

That is assuming a lot out of SK

Cain and Bum were 5 WAR pitchers last year. I guess Tim at 4.4 last year down to 1.4 is possible, but I would put the jump more likely at 4-5 wins for a full year.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, I should’ve said, “likely to be at least a 3 win dropoff.”

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, no way Surkamp can start three times a week

/rimshot

Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP

by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 1:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabean wants to know why we haven't taken the BA and RBIs of these pitchers into consideration

The pitchers we’re signing can HIT!

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

WHY EAT HEALTHY AND EXERCISE WHEN YOU CAN JUST LOOK LIKE YOU DO

It’s you, perfected!

I laughed hard.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

BEAUTY IS ON THE INSIDE

@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.

by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Better living through electronics!

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Better living through electronics! chemistry

Fixed

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

This such a nonsense move.

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Jan 12, 2012 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

WTF kind of value did they get out of this? The basically bought out his FA year for 5-6 Million. MAKES NO SENSE!

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Jan 12, 2012 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

AMT FTW

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

FFFFFFFFFFFFFF

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

AMT

Basically a near unexplainable part of income tax where they (try to) make sure you don’t pay too little because of various deductions.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The AMT is pretty simple. What’s weird are the exceptions.

Stupid mortgage interest deductions. Freaking welfare queens, homeowners.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Holla!

/z-snap

2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Simple is about the last thing I would call the AMT.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Alternative Minimum Tax is draconian abomination

Much like Baseball’s Youtube policy

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

“Operation: Holy Crap Amazing”

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I know it's hip to be cynical,

but is there anyone out there who is excited about baseball and the Giants’ 2012 season? I need a dose of positivity.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:16 AM PST reply actions  

Regardless of how the Giants do in 2012

I am always excited for baseball. Mostly because baseball kicks ass.

I have watched far worse Giants baseball than what we will see in 2012. That is about as positive as I get.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

What Lars said

I miss baseball and my favorite kind of baseball is played by the Giants.

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Jan 12, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

“All 30 teams, including the one that really matters.”

"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti

by drdata24 on Jan 12, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

FTFY
"All 30 teams, including the only one that really matters."<?blockquote>

by S. Pickford #25 on Jan 12, 2012 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't share the doom and gloom

I think they win the division at least, even if they don’t win a playoff series. Buster, Freddy, Melky, & Pagan will improve over Whiteside, 2B black hole, Ross, Burrell, & Torres. Huff can’t be as bad as last year, and if he is then Belt should be an upgrade over 2011 Huff. Crawford should at least be as good as Tejada/Cabrera.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Losing 1-0 with Cain throwing a one-hitter.

Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.

by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

more like it turned out it was Zito’s day to pitch and nobody else was available.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I am freaking pumped

I want to see another year of Tim, Matt, Madbum. I want to see a full year of Posey and Panda doing things (we had like 4-5 weeks of it last year, Panda was hurt when Posey went down). I want to see what Belt will do this year.

I hope to see Nate play and continue to progress.

And every year there is at least 1 big surprise from someone unexpected, so there is that.

And I can’t wait to see Cahill and his awesome road splits get lit up in AZ.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:21 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

And every year there is at least 1 big surprise from someone unexpected, so there is that.

My irrational prediction: Zito

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be awesome.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I also think Crawford is going to hit better than most people here assume he will. Not by miles, but well enough where his defense will justify him being a starting SS.

STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.

by UnleashTheGore on Jan 12, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope for this, too, although I think it is unlikely. In any case, I will enjoy the hell out of watching him play defense for however long they let him play.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I think so

He is a reverse Tejada. He also walked a lot last year, no reason to believe if he can hit 20-40 points over the Mendoza, that he will not be a 2 WAR player overall.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m looking forward to it as a distraction…

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too. But I am excited and can’t wait to watch baseball on a lazy Saturday afternoon in my jammies, or go to the park and cheer for Buster and Nate. I was even thinking of going to spring training.

by City Girl on Jan 12, 2012 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I’m really excited, for both major league and minor league baseball to start. I’m trying to figure out a way to get down to ST for a few days.

I have also been having a blast doing the Community Prospect Lists (Fanposts). Talking prospects is super exciting. If you’re me, anyway.

@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.

by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I have enough trouble keeping track of the ml players. And too many guys wash out, baseball is heartbreaking enough as it is.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:29 AM PST up reply actions  

To each their own, I guess.

@legaleagle88
I'm not crazy. My mother had me tested.

by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

I know you like the off season more. Poor GP, this year sucked for you.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

/sob

Really though, this has been a very interesting offseason, and the Fielder contract is still a huge mystery.

But the Giants, I mean, I see them as an 85ish win team, which is fine, but I’m not chomping at the bit to watch them finish 2nd or 3rd in the division.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

blah blah this is such a bad division, expect all teams to regress to the mean so that all the Giants need is 85 wins blah blah extra wild card

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

they won 86 games last year

The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo

by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 9:44 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

No! Nobody is excited at all!

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I HAVE IT (with few to no stats to back it up)

Last year was bad, but it was unimaginably worse than could have been reasonably expected in spring training (just as 2010 was unreasonably better than we could have predicted in Feb.!)

Just as 2010 was a beautiful ride of seemingly clutch winning streaks combined with Padre floundering, minimal injuries to key players (especially pitching,) and surprise breakout years from otherwise mediocre players, 2011 was chock full of straws that broke the camel’s back. We could have survived without Posey. We could have survived without Zito or Franchez. We could have handled Burrell or Huff not quite lighting up the way they did before, but when they all happened practically at the same time (along with several other micro and not so micro disasters) 2011 was REALLY bad. Our 2011 team was not hinged on one player who did not rise to expectations; it was crippled by severe blows to several key cornerstones.

Assuming we have a “middle ground” streak of luck between these two extremes, I think we can totally contend. If the baseball gods smile on us the way they did 2 years ago, we could go all the way. This is not a team of losers. It’s simply run by one.

Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!

by breadfan7 on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm excited

I think they win the division

by dregarx on Jan 12, 2012 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

The Magic Inside part 2

This time it’s personal.

Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Yup.

I hope not to see that picture next season, but….Burriss….Crawford….Bork….Baer….etc….

Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That's what he wants you to believe

He’s in disguise.

Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Well then,

Here are some other people who probably look like Superman to you:

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Dean Cain has really let himself go.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

You have opened my eyes.

Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Superman?

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe if we’re talking about Silver Age…

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Buster Posey is Superman

He was sent here to save us all.

by Cap M on Jan 12, 2012 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope

Cain

The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo

by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 10:07 AM PST via Android app up reply actions  

Nope

ןןıd ʇʇǝɹq

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

To put it another way

Matt Cain has always existed, and he always will exist. He and the citizens of Tralfamadore look in on us and our chronological ways and intervene.

To put it another way, his K/9 will be over 7 in 2012, and was over 7 in 1345, and will be over 7 in 2525. If man is still alive.

by Cap M on Jan 12, 2012 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

xx

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

That one is really well done. Who is Panda, tho?

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Ryan Reynolds

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Couple of weeks ago I thought I dvrd Green Lantern, but when I started to watch it, I got Seth Rogen and no Ryan Reynolds. I recorded Green Hornet instead. I was so disappointed.

by City Girl on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Green Hornet was, sadly, the better movie.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

The casting was great in that movie!

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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo

by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

That was one of the worst movies I’ve seen in years.

Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Worse than “Green Lantern”?

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn’t see that one. Green Hornet was awful, though.

Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

it was better than Green Lantern.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

wow

Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

OT: "Red Tails"

Anyone else totally excited for this opening next weekend? The trailers are awesome and I’m really hoping it does well after hearing how the studios wouldn’t finance it because they thought the all-black cast wouldn’t draw at the box office.

Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP

by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 9:37 AM PST reply actions  

We’ll see it when it hits pay per view.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

It’s about the Tuskegee Airmen right?

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes

Unbelievable this movie hadn’t been made yet

Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP

by Goofus on Jan 12, 2012 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

There was the HBO film in ’95 with Fishburne.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 4:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m really hoping it’s good. It’s an interesting subject and I’m always excited about airplane stuff. The trailers I’ve seen haven’t convinced me though. I think I’ll wait for the reviews to start coming in before seeing it in the theater.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I am all for it

It does look good. I am worried how light saber battles will work out in prop planes, but those details will just have to work themselves out.

Lucas was stumping for it on the Daily Show, he really made me want to see it, if nothing for its historical and social significance.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

When I hear that Lucas did some rewrites it makes me nervous.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

In his version the Tuskegee Airmen never shot first.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 9:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

lol

"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

true gentlemen

"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry

by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

This is OT your OT: I really hope “One for the Money” is a little edgier than what they’re showing on the trailers.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Stephanie Plum? That movie is going to suck with Heigl playing her. I’ve been waiting for this movie to be made forever, and the best they could do is Heigl?

by City Girl on Jan 12, 2012 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

The casting for almost the whole cast seems a little off.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Apparently Melvin Mora unretired.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

OT

Wow ticketmaster is a clusterfuck this morning. Presales for Radiohead, Black Keys and Jeff Mangum all at once.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Jan 12, 2012 10:15 AM PST reply actions  

and spring training tickets!!! For the love of the RDF don’t forget the ST tickets. [As the Giants have been reminding me via every social media channel they can get their paws on.]

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Aubrey Huff Part II?

Must be great to work for an organization that rewards one year of productivity.

by backtocali on Jan 12, 2012 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, I don’t like the thought of this. Although, Vogelsong is less than half of Aubrey’s contract. The Giants really do seem to prefer taking on short term contracts of career year and low risk/high reward type players rather than spend on long term deals for more proven and consistent players. 2010 was pure luck. It was a once in lifetime convergence of factors. The “GIANTS WAY” is to be as efficient and profitable as possible at the detriment of competitiveness. This is the result of the ownership structure, which is a division of many share holders who’s primary interest in the team is to share in it’s high profits.

A team seriously interested in winning championships would have at least been in on the bidding for a player like Matt Halladay in 2010. The 2009 Giants badly needed a middle of the order bat and corner outfielder. Instead, we saw a vote of confidence for Nate Schierholtz, who quickly lost his job to John Bowker, and a futile attempt to sign Adam LaRoche to a short term deal to play first base. The “Magic Inside” luckily brought us Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell.

Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Oops, meant Matt Holliday, not Halladay.

Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I know it's silly to bitch about Jeff Passan's analytical abilities, but

WTF is this shit?

“The A’s are lying about their profitability, openly tanking to get out of town, and refuse to attempt to privately finance a stadium; ergo, their every demand should be met!”

11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi

by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Jan 12, 2012 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

My understanding is that their new stadium was going to be privately financed

It was the land and all the ancilliary development that Wolff wanted the city to help pay for. He wants to pay for a stadium in exchange for subsidized high density housing and retail.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

The Santana Row A’s.

One way or another, this darkness got to give.

by bgunn on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

They’d better not build over Pinkberry.

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Jan 12, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is essentially what the Giants did, no?

Quoth wikipedia:


When it opened on March 31, 2000, the ballpark was the first Major League ballpark built without public funds since the completion of Dodger Stadium in 1962.8 However, the Giants did receive a $10 million tax abatement from The City and $80 million for upgrades to the local infrastructure (including a connection to the Muni Metro).

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 10:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if the city got a good ROI for that $90M.

Obviously, tax revenue shifted from one part of town to another, but I wonder if the newness and brazen upscale taste of the park area spurred a significant increase to warrant the payout.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

The city probably didn’t, but the landowners and developers sure did.

by wcw on Jan 12, 2012 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

1.2 million annually on a 66 year lease

Which works out to more than what San Jose is going to make on their land sale to the A’s.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

How much is the A's sale?

And remember, absolute value doesn’t really work in a lump sum vs over time payment comparison. It’s why if you win the lottery, you can get the full amount over time, or half up front.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Let me dig around a bit today

I can probably find out.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

That was easier than I thought

The city council approved a deal to sell 5 acres to the Oakland A’s for 6.9 million dollars. This is a veritable gift.

linkage

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Hoo boy

Yeah, that’s not bad. Of course, San Jose land value vs SF, etc, etc, but that’s still a good deal for the A’s.

But hey, if Wolff is willing to build the stadium with his own money, that’s cool.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Am I the only one that suspects there will be some other, very profitable, development which will also be included in the sweetheart land deal?

2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

The only thing that has a chance of saving the taxpayers is that the whole thing has to go before a public vote should the A’s agree.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

It’s not just the amount; it’s the location.

by Hyoton on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

And it seems like they did kind of go

“Oh, the Angels got Pujols and Wilson and the Rangers might get Darvish and Fielder? Okay, we’re not even going to bother this year.”

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Why is MLB?

Seattle Mariners Games To Be Blacked Out In Alaska
http://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/12/2702460/seattle-mariners-alaska-mlb-blackout-map

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

They should ride their snowmobiles to Seattle if they want to watch the games!

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Jan 12, 2012 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

They should just be content with hunting wolves from helicopters!

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter

by Murray, Present on Jan 12, 2012 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Nah, I’ve heard that they can just see the games from their houses.

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Because they should be Giants fans

and the Hawaii ppl should be Mariners fans.

Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

WE ARE GIANTS FANS!

COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .

Job 1:14-15

by bigboneded on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

With Selig getting an extension

I doubt these ridiculous blackout rules change anytime soon.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 10:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate him so much.

"I see these guys walking around with rings on, and I want one. That's what it's all about." -Ryan Vogelsong

by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

him and that whole stupid fauz saturday thing. pooey.

Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.

TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.

by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

You are weird.

In that, you often voice thoughts I have had very recently. I was wondering if he’d ever have to answer questions about MLB.tv (it’s great and deserves to be talked about) and then I came to the conclusion that he probably has very little idea of what goes on with MLBAM period.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.

Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience

by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

He is I, and I am him, slim with the tilted brim
What’s my motherfuckin name?

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Coo coo ca chew?

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 12, 2012 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s not a witch. He’s you.

"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb

Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM PST up reply actions  

/Pedro Feliz

Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"

by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Couldn’t somebody explain to him the possibility of making even MORE money if they re did the rules?

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Profit vs. Bourbon then naptime

Advantage: Bourbon then naptime

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

This doesn’t affect me in the slightest, and I’m still irritated at MLB.

by non sequitur on Jan 12, 2012 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Poor bigboneded. :(

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by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

He got boneded

Is it February 19 yet?

by j14 on Jan 12, 2012 11:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I watched the M’s games cause they were on.

The cable company replaced the M’s network with MLB Network, which is better.

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by bigboneded on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, cool!

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by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

But the cable company in Anchorage DID just add MLB Network

so as long as the games aren’t Mariners, I finally have something besides FOX.

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by bigboneded on Jan 12, 2012 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Your alternative choices

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 11:00 AM PST reply actions  

Foster the People

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I know quite a few Fosters

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Dang it-alternative choices to Vogelsong
11:39: The deal is worth $1.5MM prorated if Cook is called up to the Major Leagues, according to Rob Bradford and Alex Speier of WEEI.com.

9:43pm: The Red Sox have agreed to terms with right-hander Aaron Cook on a minor league contract, pending a physical, according to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com.
Two days after signing Aaron Cook, the Red Sox are scouting another low-risk righty looking to rebound from injury. Vicente Padilla took leave of his native Nicaraguan winter league yesterday in order to fly to Boston, where he will be checked over today by team doctors, reports Francisco Jarquín Soto at the Nicaraguan paper El Nuevo Diario.

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by CalBear949 on Jan 12, 2012 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Oswalt!

COME PITCH IN SAN FRANCISCO, YOU GLORIOUS WHITE WHALE YOU!

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

EMMA FROST!?

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

What a weird headline
mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors
Rays Continue Eyeing Bats

Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jan 12, 2012 11:24 AM PST reply actions  

They've already tried signing THE BAT and it didn't work out so well

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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw

by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

No day games then

Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006

by Lunkus on Jan 12, 2012 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

HOLY SHIT

8.5 MILLION dollars for a baseball player?!
What is this world coming to?!

by djfivenine on Jan 12, 2012 11:33 AM PST reply actions  

/Selfish Beltran disagrees

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Grant just got RT’ed by Steve Berthiaume.

Pretty soon he’s going to be too cool to hang out with us anymore.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 11:35 AM PST reply actions  

He already is.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Pretty soon he’s going to be too cool to hang out with us anymore.

I’ve seen it happen on other blogs. The writers make a name for themselves and get opportunities to write elsewhere, including some that involve getting paid to write. They understandable pursue said opportunities, at the expense of the community that helped make them “famous” in the first place.

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by D4P on Jan 12, 2012 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Grant is totes going to hang out with all the other bloggers in the cool blog party that we’re not invited to.

Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Jan 12, 2012 11:40 AM PST up reply actions  

This happened to Will Leitch.

Although he is still cool.

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by bigboneded on Jan 12, 2012 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

He’s a Mike Tirico counterrant away from ignominy!

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Let me think about this one for a minute...

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by jctGamer on Jan 12, 2012 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

I bet it’s the last one.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

A) Beverages
B) Sukiyaki
C) Aubergine
D) Dessert
E) Cat on keyboard

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 11:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously it’s のみもの.

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't see these posted yet...

Giants new road alts

The McCovey what-cles of Narnia

by SBraden on Jan 12, 2012 11:54 AM PST reply actions  

Oh. Nice.

Thank god we keep it classy.

by Cap M on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

OMG must buy. hmmmm should I get Bumgarner

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t like it one bit. Nope.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

I do not think it looks very nice. It does not fit my tastes. I don’t have any 80’s nostalgia kicking in. Meh.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Looks okay to me, but I’d need to see it on someone. Seems to me that guys are really particular about their sports jerseys and caps.

by City Girl on Jan 12, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Sabes signs 76-year old Gary Player

Veteran presence

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by D4P on Jan 12, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Not a fan of the black piping.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

PIPE DOWN THERE

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

The orange on the sleeves is a little too fluorescent also.

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Your mother was a little too fluorescent my taste.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no doubt. She clearly impacted your ability to type!

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

It happens.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:06 PM PST up reply actions  

And so does she!

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

This, and the piping also.

My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 12, 2012 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t mind it on this jersey, but I really dislike it on the primary road jersey.

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Seeing both jerseys now

It seems a traveling black piping salesman stopped by the ballpark one day and really wowed the executive board with his sales pitch.

In hibernation 'til Spring Training.

by rightcenterfielder on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

"Humm baby"

/nostalgic

Aubrey Huff: "My body is ripped."

by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty!

BUT FOR MEN. MANLY MEN DOING MANLY THINGS.

by Cap M on Jan 12, 2012 11:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Drinking Dr. Pepper 10!

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Pepsi Maxx

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by bigboneded on Jan 12, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I prefer the one we used last season to this.

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 11:57 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t even know what is different from the old uniforms.

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by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

No black piping.

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks.

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by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

No 2010 WS Champions patch.

:(

by jhawx on Jan 12, 2012 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Could be worse

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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do we need more uniforms (other than merch sales)?

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by Natto on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Merch sales.

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by Soulbrother16 on Jan 12, 2012 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still wearing my

1999 Barry Bonds jersey to games.

That not cool anymore?

by djfivenine on Jan 12, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

No, you need to buy the latest uniform update every year.

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by Natto on Jan 12, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Don’t forget the alternate unis so you can spend more money!

<3 Kanani Madison

by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

RDF!!

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by Merope on Jan 12, 2012 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Was this one really necessary?

Now the home and road jerseys don’t match.

In hibernation 'til Spring Training.

by rightcenterfielder on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

EricFisherSBJ Eric Fisher
Selig says he is “very hopeful” that expanded playoffs will begin this year. On-Field Committee to discuss this PM. But no decision today.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:04 PM PST reply actions  

The Giants are betting on it.

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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Then throw every pitcher they have at the play-in game.

Sure, the other team will as well, but chances are, in a 1 game situation like that, I’d like our chances.

I still HATE the expanded playoffs.

by Cap M on Jan 12, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m annoyed, because on average the wildcard winner has a better record than the third worst division winner. But that’s absolutely not true of the second wildcard.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

That’d actually be a decent idea. I could get behind this.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow. The NFL.com online shop has expanded the number of Tebow products from 2 to 12 since Sunday.

Either a lot of other people are trolling Steelers fans, or I should be concerned for America.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:08 PM PST reply actions  

Heard there was a poll that put him as America’s current favorite athlete. Which is hilarious.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I saw that too. I’ve got to imagine at least some of that was people enjoying for his trolliness.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Could be. It’s hard to tell anymore.

by chilibean_3 on Jan 12, 2012 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Mind you, it’s an open poll, so he pulled in a whopping 5% of the vote.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN’s poll rated Tebow as the #1 favorite athlete in the U.S. this week, apparently.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

ESPN polled 1,502 people. Of those, three percent – i.e., 45 people — said Tim Tebow is their favorite pro athlete.

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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

/facepalm

1,500? So, 0.0005% of the country. Brilliant.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean, slap confidence intervals on there, and it’s basically going to say, “We have no idea.”

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t dislike Tebow, but there is no way he is the America’s favourite athlete.

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I’m on the other side of this. I think he has demonic powers.

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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

KLaw's Vogey answer:

KLaw: asked this on Twitter last night: I know it’s not a super-consequential move, but thoughts on Vogelsong for 2/$8.3M?
Klaw (3:05 PM)
Not a big fan of guaranteeing two years to an older player who’s had half that many productive seasons. But the Giants’ logic probably includes Vogelsong’s imminent free agency, so the second year of the deal was much higher in value (on the market, at least) than the first. I’m just seeing far more chance this goes sour right away than that it succeeds for the Giants, even though the money isn’t all that huge, because Vogelsong’s pre-2011 track record is so dim.

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by bigboneded on Jan 12, 2012 12:17 PM PST reply actions  

But man, imagine if this deal had an upside!

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh

Even when healthy, it’s not like Freddy is that good of a hitter.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps you are forgetting that he ONCE WON A BATTING TITLE.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

THREE DOUBLES IN THE WOLRD SERIES OFF CLIFF LEE

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I will say this about Freddy,

He’s not afraid to hit with 2 strikes. In fact, he seems to spot the pitcher those strikes most of the time.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Ack, you beat me.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

What's average?

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean, that’s clearly worse than his normal line. But league average would also be good to know.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone's line with 2 strikes will be worse.

You can’t strike out without 2 strikes.

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

So then, like everyone, Freddy Sanchez does not thrive with 2 strikes on him.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

This was more my point.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be essential in assigning any meaning to the numbers.

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think it necessarily does if this:

He’s not afraid to hit with 2 strikes.

was the assertion. He’s not afraid to hit with 2 strikes relative to league average would be an entirely different assertion.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I think relative to league average is pretty much implicit in this. I would be shocked if anybody hits league average with two strikes.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

As such, I can’t really support the “spotting the pitcher strikes thing,” because that’s not really helpful in any manner unless you’re trying to drive up a pitch count.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess that would be part of the reason I didn’t see it as being implicit.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

ONCE AGAIN

It was a joke. Man, this off season.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

At this point

You should probably know better than to just throw nerd-nip out there like this.

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Look at how much it stirred things up, tho. It was getting boring in here.

Plus, that Tony Gwynn stat is amazing.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I am absurdly pleased that that sort of information is so easily available these days. When I was 10 I would have been stuck with hoping some guy wrote a letter to Baseball Digest asking that question so I could see the numbers.

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Your jokes are weird.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Some of them are not very jokey.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Or, perhaps, the humor simply eludes me.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

No, but everything I tell you is a lie.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you’re lying about lying.

by City Girl on Jan 12, 2012 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

can't resist

You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie, then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because you always lie… illogical! Illogical! Please explain! You are human; only humans can explain! Illogical!

by non sequitur on Jan 12, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Ask him about his popcorn

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by Lars The Wanderer on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Tony Gwynn! Check below.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel pretty okay if it takes the likes of Tony Gwynn to pull it off.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

True

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw the implication as being that he’s not afraid because he has the ability to do well with 2 strikes. Upon re-reading, it seems like Tortured was just making a funny about how often he finds himself in that situation. In either case, stating his 2-strike line with no context is pretty meaningless (were I so inclined I might even say deceptive).

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

WHO MAKES A FUNNY HERE

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Finally someone gets me.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

You said something about the Giants that could be construed as positive. I don’t know what you expected. ;-)

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by kdl on Jan 12, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I can’t find it right now, but I was thinking average is below .200

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

If this is accurate

in 2009 full count was .233, everything below with 2 strikes is well below .200

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn’t seem that bad to me.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It isn't that bad, actually

The 2011 league average was .176/.242/.262, though you have to consider that league offense was down.

But, regardless, if Freddy really is “spotting” them strikes, he could stop.

Sanchez career, ahead in the count: .357/.460/.526

Sanchez career, behind in the count: .242/.247/.325

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess the small OBP AVG split behind in the count is due solely to HBP (or CI)?

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

No

You can walk if there are two strikes on you.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

3-2 is behind in the count?

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I meant the behind in the count stat. There is obviously a large OBP AVG split in the ahead in the count stat.

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re ahead in the count then though. 3-2

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Or is that even? Either way, not behind.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought ahead of the count was just:
1-0
2-0
2-1
3-0
3-1

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by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s weird.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Well the count is regarded as “even” at 1-1 and 2-2, so it would follow that 3-2 is technically “ahead.” In theory, the onus is on them to throw a strike, though in practice that’s not really the case.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it technically makes sense, but the numbers you’d find with a 3-2 count are generally more similar to other counts that have two strikes.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you’re right that 2-2 is considered “even” even though you’re actually behind at 2-2.

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by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m just sticking to a strictly numeric reading of it, since that’s the tack that most broadcasters seem to take.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Sweet picture

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Dammit

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:51 PM PST up reply actions  

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by Natto on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sorry

Completely misunderstood you. Yes, I believe it is HBP and sac flies and some of the other minor stuff that fits in there.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I was kidding

Hubby & I just used to say it a lot: “Oh, look, Freddy is working a 2 strike count, how unusual.”

And those numbers do look pretty good to me, actually.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Aaron Rowand career with two strikes

.187/.248/.295

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy shit.

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Bonds with two strikes

.212/.354/.428

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

bahahahaha. Bonds with 2 strikes is Buster Posey.

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Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

And Bonds had 175 home runs in that situation. And 737 walks.

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

woah

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

/looks only at batting average

So Freddy is a better 2 strike hitter?

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Jesus

there’s more to life than home runs.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, so Bonds was just home runs????

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

No,

but Gwynn wasn’t known for them. He just always got on base, and you couldn’t walk him because he could hit anything.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Gwynn career OBP: .388
Bonds career OBP: .444

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Bonds got walked a fuck ton, tho, was my point.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

GP said he couldn’t believe Gwynn was better at something than Bonds

You said there’s more to life than home runs, then said that Gwynn was good for getting on base

but Bonds was still better than Gwynn at that

Thus bringing us back to GP’s original surprise that Gwynn was better at something than Bonds.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

If we assume that he was never intentionally walked, and therefore subject those 688 PAs to his career numbers such that he would have gotten hits in about 30% of them, that means he would have made 482 more outs, but 206 more hits. That would put his career OBP at .413; he also would have hit 53 more home runs.

If we assume that every single one of those intentional walks resulted in an out, he still would have a career OBP of .381.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I know

I’m just surprised that there’s any category in which Gwynn was a better hitter than Bonds. But there it is. With two strikes, he was.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely different hitters. Gwynn, relative to the league, pretty much never struck out.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Ergo, his average with two strikes is heavily influenced by BABIP.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Bonds was better.

Higher OBP and SLG

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

according to wOBA, would the difference there make up for .90 points of BA?

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it might, but I imagine it would be very close.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Easily.

In fact, the lower AVG is better if you have the same OBP/SLG.

I.E. 250/350/500 > 300/350/500

250/350/500 turns some singles into walks, and other singles into extra base hits.

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure you have this backwards

I believe that the difference between the walks and the singles is bigger than the other difference.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

You sure?

One is .200 iso the other .250

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Bonds 2-strike wOBA: .351

Gwynn 2-strike wOBA: .342

Calculator: http://www.crashburnalley.com/woba.html

OK, Barry was better. Not yet prepared to concede the point on your 250/350/500 > 300/350/500 yet though.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I did it.

Check my math.

3 BB, 3 1B, 1 3B, 1 HR in 20 PA:

250/400/500 for wOBA .418

4 BB, 2 1B, 2 HR in 20 PA:

200/400/500 for wOBA .429

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Hm. Interesting.

But not a perfect cipher, because of the fact that HRs are exponentially more valuable than triples. Thanks.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that was just a quick calculator.

But it makes sense intuitively. If you get on base the same/make the same amount of outs, you want more power.

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

But singles are more valuable than walks. And I’m not sure that the excess power is more valuable than the amount that singles are more valuable than walks.

But now my head hurts.

by GiantPain on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

2B over a 1B: hitter gets an extra base and all runners getting an extra base.

1B over a walk: only runners on 2nd and/or 3rd where 1st is not occupied get an extra base.

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

In this line

Men on base singles are always greater than walks.

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Regardless if men are on base or not.

2B are always greater than a 1B.

Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.

by Azmanz on Jan 12, 2012 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just thinking that the extra value from getting on base with singles as opposed to walks would outweigh that

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

NERDS!

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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

On the Giants

I would take either. We need more guys with .850 OPS

Blerg

by Myemail21479 on Jan 12, 2012 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

how many times did Bonds actually have 2 strikes on him?

I’d bet most of his ABs never got that far. The ball was already in the seats

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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:53 PM PST up reply actions  

4181 times

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

So, pretty much 1/3 of the time. More when you consider that he was never thrown a real pitch in nearly 700 career PAs.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s out of about 12000 plate appearances total, so, about a third of the time.

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That sounds really, really low to me.

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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I have no idea

Boggs was famous for not caring if he got to a two strike count, and he had around the same percentage. Gwynn had way less.

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:59 PM PST up reply actions  

like Pat Burrell says, I’d rather be 0-1 than 0 for 1

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by giant4life83 on Jan 12, 2012 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy crap

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

4.2 K rate in over 10,000 PA’s

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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Jay-zus

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by Johnny Disaster on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Woah! That is impressive.

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by calgiants86 on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That’s a lot of scuffed baseballs.

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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jan 12, 2012 12:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Just for the hell of it: Jeff Keppinger with two strikes

.235/.285/.301

I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?

by Ott on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

YES

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Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

How have I not seen this before?

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by speckops on Jan 12, 2012 12:37 PM PST up reply actions  

wat

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't say he was good

just that he’s not afraid.

Just play a Brandon or two, come on!

by Tortured on Jan 12, 2012 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe he should be afraid:

Career line after two strikes: .231/.276/.308

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Mayor of Smug.

by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Even in this preview he’s got more ice on his shoulder than Cat’s Cradle.

by Every6thDay on Jan 12, 2012 12:23 PM PST up reply actions  

OT (long set-up)

So Grant’s post yesterday that included the link to a vidya site inspired me to search the user for lotso baseball broadcasts. He’s got a bunch and so I was inspired, since I miss baseball so much, to run them through my phone on the way to work in the mornings.

I did that this morning with the 1980 Giants/Cubs game, and it satisfied my soul.

More importantly, it allowed me to listen to Joe Garagiola. Now, this WAS 32 years ago, BUT, he made a statement about being confused by the decimal in pitchers’ innings. as in the 8 2/3, “they should use 8 or 9, what is the other part” (paraphrase).

OMG! Could you imagine the backlash if Joe Buck made a statement like that today?

My bet is Garagiola is NOT a member of SABR.

COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!

Fathaigh go mbuaimid!

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by bigboneded on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM PST reply actions  

I don’t know, it depends on what he meant by confused. Like, did he really not understand it? Or was he just confused by why they use decimals. Saying 10.1 to mean 10 and 1/3 is kind of weird.

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Link fail.

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by Solidarity on Jan 12, 2012 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

See?

You expect links to work! Spoiled brat!

by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2012/1/12/2703038/why-you-are-a-spoiled-brat

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by rotorueter on Jan 12, 2012 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

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