Eight Hundred Words on Orlando Cabrera
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 8, 2011 2:10 PM PDT
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PrintOh, the title almost gives the post away. Intro/attempt at humor/Orlando Cabrera is so bad/how bad is he?/he's so bad, that.../serious talk/conclusion. Boom, done. Best five minutes I've ever spent.
But it's probably better to start with my expectations for Brandon Crawford, which I can sum up thusly: One day, I really hope he can be Brendan Ryan. That's not really exciting. And I kind of think it's a long shot. Ryan is a fantastic defender, and in his best seasons, he doesn't usually kill his team with his bat. It will take a while for Crawford to get there, if he ever does.
I've seen old players block young players for no real reason (Winn/Bowker), veteran-on-veteran debacles (Guillen/Ross), and young-on-young crime (Velez/Frandsen). I expressed disgust at the time, and it turns out that most of them weren't big deals. Turns out that the answer to the Velez/Frandsen debate was "no." My bad.
So it's hard to get worked up with the Cabrera/Crawford debate. I think Cabrera is an absolutely wretched hitter, but I don't think he's a guy who would put up a 35 OPS+ for a full season, which is what he's done with the Giants. He's been a bit unlucky. I'd wager he's about the same as Crawford offensively right now.
There are two things that really bother me about Cabrera, and they don't have to do with blocking Crawford:
The first is that his acquisition makes me think the Giants don't have a great handle on what an individual player is worth in terms of wins. I'm not the biggest WAR guy, but I've come around on the idea that the difference between average and great players is a few wins per year. It's why the Giants didn't move from a 90-win team to a 75-win team without Posey -- a player's impact is going to be distributed unevenly over a 162-game season, and it's not as large of an impact as you might expect.
The difference between Crawford and Cabrera is essentially meaningless. That shouldn't have been a secret. But I have a hunch that Sabean looked at Cabrera and thought he's been here before (+ value), he can handle the bat (+ value), and he's a steady defender (+ value). I don't think it went too far beyond that on an analytic level, and that worries me.
The second thing that bothers me about him is that he reminds me that Bruce Bochy is bizarre when it comes with the stats he looks at. He has no problem basing his lineup on micro-splits of six head-to-head match-ups between a pitcher and a hitter, but he has the potential to completely ignore a player's career splits. Cabrera has always hit lefties better, and in the past couple of seasons, he's been a serious liability against right-handers. He's been as bad against right-handers over the past two seasons as any hitter in the game.
Yet there Cabrera was, leading off for a while against right-handers because he "handles the bat well" or something equally as silly. He's the starter against lefties and righties alike, even though Mike Fontenot or even Crawford would clearly be better options against right-handed pitchers.
The third thing is that Orlando Cabrera is terrible, and I don't like watching him play baseball. But that's a minor quibble.
This isn't an overplayed stats-v.-scouting debate. It's just a reminder that the Giants have absolutely no nuance when it comes to evaluating hitters, and it goes back to the days of Michael Tucker, if not Mark Lewis. Let's call this the Brian Sabean Method for Evaluating Hitters.
All hitters fall into three categories: guys who can't do a solid job, guys who can do a solid job, and All-Stars.
A guy who has "done it before", whether it's Tucker, Cabrera, Guillen, or Freddy Sanchez, can almost certainly "do a solid job," so they're brought aboard. This philosophy brought Aubrey Huff and Pat Burrell to the Giants, so it can certainly pay off. But too often, it doesn't, and it's one of the reasons why the Giants are going to be in the bottom of the league offensively for the fifth time out of the past six seasons. They get a bunch of guys like Dave Roberts who can do a solid job, and then, hey, wha' happened?
Cabrera is a walking subconscious reminder of all that, and it annoys the crap out of me. That's why he's my least-favorite Giant to watch, just as Jose Guillen was before him. So at this point, even though it isn't going to make a lot of difference, I'd really just prefer to watch Crawford.
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Ah, but, how long is his swing, sir?
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think
you mean “schwing”.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
or schlong.
Depends on what kind of joke we’re trying to make here.
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How schlong is his schwing?
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It don’t mean a thing if he ain’t got that swing
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 8, 2011 2:34 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't know how much of a prospect he is anymore...
But I miss Thomas Neal being a Giant.
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But fuck Orlando Cabrera and the playoff streak horse he rode in on.
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Wasn't alive then so don't care
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Crawford is probably worse at baseball, but he is a more aesthetically appealing player, what with is flashy glove and pretty face.
Right.
Considering the season is over, who would you rather watch? Crawford flail at pitches handsomely or Cabrera miss simple popups?
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 8, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford is not worse than Cabrera
He’s equally as terrible with the bat, much better with the glove.
by taliesin on Sep 8, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Correct!
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The differences are
Crawford is 23. He has some upside. Cabrera doesn’t. Crawford has shown the ability to at lest get deep into counts. Cabrera can’t. Crawford is solid defensively. Cabrera is a libility. Crawford can run a bit. Cabrera can’t
I’m not ready to say the guy can’t hit major league pitching. I can think of many a shortstop that could not hit early in their careers only to get better and better with the stick. Concepcion, Ozzie Smith, and Vizquel come immediately to mind.
not really arguing here or hating on Crawford
but that list of names at the end of that sentence probably could best be described as “better defenders than Brandon Crawford”.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
If you’re arguing his bat will improve, why not his defense, too? And his defense is the best for a Giant that I’ve seen since Omar.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I'm not
convinced his bat will improve either, but when he starts doing backflips on the field we’ll talk.
And I love Omar too (careful or I’ll start posting pics) but the dearth of decent defensive SS on the Giants might make all of us a little overly excited at the prospect of seeing good (as opposed to transformative) defense at SS again.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions
You may be right.
Whenever I think of SS, I remember Uribe ruining Jonathan’s perfect game.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I believe Lolribe was playing 3B at the time.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Whatever, he played short a lot that year and he dropped a lot of popups. Especially that one.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I hold out hope for this but the nerds in minor lines seem to be unconvinced.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually think Roger and Fla-Giant are very high on Adrianza’s D, and so are a lot of others. BVCE and Brute Sentiment, not as much.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks, I recalled the split of opinions but haven’t been following the blow-by-blow. I only saw him in SJ once so I didn’t have much to add. In that game Ryan Cavan made all the big plays!
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Cavan’s defense seems to be totally underrated, but I love watching him play.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
But he never plays short these days, right? He’s strickly a 2B-man.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I think so
He’s looked very good in the games I’ve seen him play. Hopefully he’ll do well in Richmond next year.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, sorry, I didn’t mean to imply that he was a SS or that I was comparing him to Adrianza.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s not true. I think Adrianza is a plus defender but in the weeks I saw him in SJ before I left for the DR, he showed problems with his range and an overall lack of commitment on getting to ground balls. I still think his D is his best tool so I’m disappointed to see him bail out on balls the way he did when I saw him play.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe his hemorrhoids were bothering him.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if this is serious or a smart-ass remark or what.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
definitely not serious
It was more of a, hopefully it was just that period that you saw him and now he’s all good and stuff
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
And I wanted to challenge myself to seeing if I could spell hemorrhoids.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotcha. I hope it was just a hemorrhoids/brain fart thing for him too. And you’re right, spelling hemorrhoids is a bitch.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Defense rarely improves by the time they make it to the Majors, unless it’s a position that they haven’t played much. That’s not the case with Crawford and SS though.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
he's also much more likely to be a Giant in 2012
so there’s more value in getting him some fucking experience.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 8, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
He gets that after the game
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The Fall league will be more important.
but I agree he should be playing.
800 words on Cabrera?
Can they please be chiseled into marble and then dropped on him from a significant “heighth”?
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Wrong target. I would suggest dropping the very heavy marble on the two idiots responsible for him playing; Brian "Tweedledumb" Sabean and Bruce "Tweedledumber" Bochy.
Cabrera is sinless in this whole debacle, in the same way a 4 year old child would be sinless for burning down the family house after Daddy gave him 5 gallons of gasoline and Mommy showed him how to strike the match.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Sports Illustrated, the players have voted Cabrera one of the top 15 "smartest players"
Also on the list? Jeter, ARod, and Pujols.
What is his Baseball GPA?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 8, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That's unapplied intelligence
Like the Professor. Making every attempt to get off the island when he could have had Ginger & Mary Ann every night until the end of his days.
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They saved it for the DVD extras.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn you. Now I have imagined the Skipper frosting Gilligan’s face in 3D on a big screen.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bwahaha
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I can tell you for a fact that ARod is NOT a smart player
I saw him at the coliseum in a game against Oakland where he scored and the 3rd base coach gave the runner behind him the stop sign, but ARod enthusiastically waved the guy home, and he was out by a mile.
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at least he didn’t try to slap him
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 8, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, players think Bruce Bochy is a "genius".
Consider the source of all compliments.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Predictions on who will be our least favorite Giant next year that Sabean trades for?
I’m going with Francoeur. You just know he’s going to end up on the Giants one of these days. It feels inevitable.
He JUST signed an extension in KC
For him to be traded next year, he’s have to REALLY stink up the joint. He’d have to never get on base, flail at every pitch, hit nothing but weak grounders and popups, and…
Oh.
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by Stuttering John Tamargo on Sep 8, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
//KC about to release Francoeur..
Giants offer 2 minor leaguers to KC.
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I mean, it’s really weird how similar they are. I’m not sure what this says about some peoples’ fascination with Nate Schierholtz. Nate is cheaper, I guess.
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Doesn't Fracoeur have a cannon too?
Or do you mean the muskles? And in that case, which arm?
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I watched the KC-A's game the otherday
and Francoeur gunned down an Oakland player at first (Carter I think) who was sure he hit a straightforward single to right field. It was pretty bad ass
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 8, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
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by troymccluresf on Sep 8, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Francoeur have Nate’s range?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Over their careers, it doesn't look like it
Although Nate’s range has taken a hit this year (injury?) if you believe the advanced defensive stats Fangraphs is slinging. There probably is a case to be made that Nate is better defensively, given his higher career UZR/150, but it doesn’t look like Francoeur is a terrible liability, or that they’re having vastly different defensive seasons this year.
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I don’t believe them over a one year period, certainly.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Francour has a great arm too
He threw out Chris Carter yesterday at 1B on what is normally an easy single. And Carter was not exactly dogging it down the line.
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Short version:
Brandon Crawford has a non-zero chance of providing more value to this team than Orlando Cabrera.
Orlando Cabrera has a zero chance of providing more value to this team than Orlando Cabrera.
Mike Fontenot has a significantly-higher-than-zero chance of providing more value to this team than Orlando Cabrera or Brandon Crawford, so I don’t know what the fuck the deal with that is.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 2:19 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Lance Corporal Fontenot must be a bad soldier.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear he’s short. So there’s that.
by chilibean_3 on Sep 8, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fontenot
is the definition fo a utility infielder. He played 23 games at short in his career (17 starts) prior to this year. Best position is second. He has neither the range nor the arm to play short everyday. Nice little ballplayer. I fail to see why people think he should be the everyday SS.
Because there is no one better to be had.
Yes, his best position is second, but he is adequate at short. At second, he is probably close to as good as FSanchez, so that contemptuous “utility infielder” and “good little ballplayer” is inappropriate.
With the extraordinarily scant resources the Giants have for possible trades, or money for free agents, their #1 focus needs to be a first-rank corner outfielder; getting a better SS than Fontenot, which is not easy in the real world, is decidedly a low priority.
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on an MLB team
Frodonot probably shouldn’t be a regular SS. On this team? He should probably be hitting in the middle of the order.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions
A picture might have been worth another two hundred words
or so they say.
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This is why I want to watch Crawford start over Cabrera…and Belt over Huff, for that matter.
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Manager and GM
are these the only jobs in the world where there are literally over 100,000 people that are more qualified to be in the position, yet have virtually no opportunity whatsoever to be appointed to said position?
I can’t think of another one.
No offense dude
No one here, including myself, is more qualified to be GM than Sabean or Bochy.
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really?
because disregarding sabermetrics entirely seems grossly negligent for someone of that stature. It’s really inexcusable in 2011. You don’t agree?
disregarding sabermetrics entirely
Uh, got any evidence of that?
I understand that many want to see Belt/Crawford in the line-up every day based upon their own sabermetric analysis.
BUT just because Belt/Crawford aren’t in the line-up everyday, it doesn’t mean that the front office is “disregarding sabermetrics entirely.”
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
they acquired
orlando cabrera, miguel tejada, and jose guillen all in the last 12 months. That isn’t sufficient evidence?
Sufficient evidence that they are “disregarding sabermetrics entirely”?
No, it’s not. It’s evidence that they signed three players that do not fit the mold of a sabermetric signing.
You can’t extrapolate that to : “disregarding sabermetrics entirely”
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not?
Or, coming from the other side, why would you believe they do use any such measures?
Last time I spoke with their resident “stats guy” (I forget his exact but silly-ass title), he talked about scouting reports and the like, not analysis.
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It IS a great silly-ass title....
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Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a part of San Francisco that doesn't have an Alioto associated with it in some way?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I’m going to go with NO.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
cream rises!
or shit flows downhill, I get those two mixed up a lot.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If you would stop shitting into the milk jug this would be less confusing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
And gave up 6 M, Thomas Neal and Pucetas for those three.
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by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 5:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Sabean's scouting background would run circles out of anything you and I have experience
Sabean does not use all the tool at his disposal (i.e. sabermetrics) and I think that is a mistake. I don’t know if he completely ignores them but he clearly doesn’t give them a TON of weight.
This is a legitimate question of philosophy. However, I think if you or I were plopped in the GM chair tomorrow and told to do the job our head would spin. Sabean has been a GM for a very long time and has been in the game for over 20 years. And while I think he’s in the lower tier of GMs in the game he has been a GM for quite a while. And knows what the job entails
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Nobody who frequents this site
could do all of the duties of being a ML GM. Contracts; managing multiple minor-league and ML rosters; drafting amateurs; handling egos of assistants, coaches, players, and owners; etc…
But, if you are referring to only: evaluating players, deciding an overall strategy for the organization, working with a manager to decide who plays on a regular basis, targeting FAs and trades, understanding sunk costs, not throwing your players under the bus on a regular basis, not blowing up at the media, and not having a bad goatee, I think there are multiple people who would do no worse than Sabean and most likely do much better.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to be in charge of promotions!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
if it includes
hats with horns and universal health care, you have the job
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Abbath Doom Occulta!
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by TehGreekStallion on Sep 8, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants have a SABR guy on staff
But yeah, it doesn’t appear that they use that information in any significant manner.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd very much be interested in speaking with that guy
He probably feels a lot like Ed Norton upon his return from incarceration in American History X.
His name is Yeshaya Goldfarb
If you can find his email address, you should contact him.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Here’s an article about Mr. Goldfarb
No contact information, but there is a photo of him basking in the glory of the Giants Game 4 World Series photo….looking much cheerier than Ed Norton’s character, fwiw.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt that
I’d say “almost no one here”. There are some flat-out brilliant people at this site – and it doesn’t seem that you have to be a baseball “lifer” to be a successful GM these days.
I nominate calbearsomenumber and owlcroft to split the duties. owlcroft picks the players, calbear uses his lawyer negotiating tactics to get the guys.
Maybe kdl would be a better choice.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Maybe kdl would be a better choice.
NO PROSPECTS WOULD EVER GET TRADED THOUGH
;-)
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
can you effectively GM under a restraining order?
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HAHAHAHAHA!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
aha, Mrs Owlcroft is perfect!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
by Tortured on Sep 8, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hope you like your new starting 2b, Bill Hall
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 8, 2011 3:00 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
For split contract league contract were the mlb part is under $3mm for a guy that might get his swing back together again … well i have endured worse gambits.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
I would love to see that.
Either they make the playoffs all the time with titles every so often, or nothing changes despite all his brilliance. Either way I’m happy.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 8, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think you wrong.
Mind, there are tons of niggly details of day-to-day business that one acquires knowledge of working up the ladder, but overall I’d say that realistically there are at least a few people here who could walk into that office and, with a helpful AGM for the above-cited niggly stuff, do a nontrivially better job than Brian Sabean.
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by owlcroft on Sep 8, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
that's what I said!
(see above)
"That's no moon... That's a San Francisco Giants World Series trophy."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You're forgetting Sabean's scouting experience.
There’s just a little more to the game than just numbers.
So if you had to postulate
what would you see he saw in Jose Guillen? The guy could not. fucking. run. at that point in his career. It was a legitimate argument as to whether or not he was slower than Jose Guillen. How could you play a guy like that in the OF when SF’s staff is rife with fly ball pitchers?
There is no legitimate defense for signing Tejada or Orlando Cabrera either. These weren’t decisions based upon the eye of someone who can see things that no one else can. He panicked and didn’t trust what he should have been able to see. If anything, these last two seasons have been an indictment on why Sabean isn’t an adroit scout.
Maybe they just look at career numbers and don’t account for aging. They always seem to get these guys way beyond their sellby date.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
by Tortured on Sep 8, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Low risk (Pucetas) high reward type of player
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Whatever
Bochy does awesome job in 2010 post season, and it is ignored now. People squabble over lineups, but Bochy has been shuffling 30-40 guys in there all year. If anyone was hitting they would stay. He also has to manage vets who pay their dues and get the respect to work out of slumps, to a certain degree. Even so, Rowand and Tejada are gone.
Sabean. Dude drafted a pretty sweet team. His signings have been weak lately, but he did get Huff for 1 year, second contract not so good (but I agreed with it at the time). Also he has been good at trading for guys… Lopez, Sanchez, Kent, Schmidt, Ramirez, Garko.
Lot of hate for 2 guys responsible for 2010. We could after all be someone like the Cubs, team with big payroll and team that just can’t get anything going.
Everyone here is better than the professionals
We established that last night, because we are smarter and superior and they are plants.
Ugh.
I rhyme with freak.
Ficuses, to be exact.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
This attitude of yours bothers me
Why can’t we be critical? Why should we have to defer to their superior knowledge?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
by El Person on Sep 8, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree. don't be a hater
“Lot of hate for 2 guys responsible for 2010. We could after all be someone like the Cubs, team with big payroll and team that just can’t get anything going.”
I don’t like Bochy much, but I never could stand managers who kept the pitcher in too long and they all do it!
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Sep 8, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy stopped stomping on his own Johnson long enough in 2010 for the players with , then current, talent make good things happen. That was his brillance of 2010 with prosition players.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Things forgotten
Juggling Panda, Fontenot, Renteria and Uribe in the 3b, SS shuffle in the post season. He pulled Sanchez in the 2nd inning in a game we came back to win. The pen use was flawless. He called hit and run at perfect surprise times and it worked a lot of those times.
You can’t give him credit for what the guys do on the field, but I think he did manage his pieces well.
He pulled Sanchez in the 2nd inning in a game we came back to win.
This is like giving Bochy credit for not wearing his shoes on his ears.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
We blamed a WS loss on another manager
Just because making the right decision was right, doesn’t mean he is a liability or worth hate.
To be perfectly honest, I am not sure what you are trying to say
But you just did use the example of a a manager removing a pitcher who was obviously melting down as some type of wise move.
I think it falls into the “no shit, Sherlock” category.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Just saying he makes good decisions when he has options
This year has been nothing short of infuriating offensive struggles. This leads to lineup second guessing. But these guys aren’t hitting.
I still blame Bam Bam for that.
Collectively, they hit like shit
Maybe it is not the hitting coach responsible for the team having so many down years. Obviously not his fault when they get hurt.
We had hitting instructors go almost yearly before him, and we hit well last year. In football, if the offense stinks, the Offense Coordinator takes the heat. If the defense stinks, likewise, especially if they have the talent to make it happen. When I saw the opening day lineup, I thought we were stacked, and Ross was still hurt.
Doesn’t really matter, this season is sunk. Maybe it is just confidence, the loss of Posey, ATT playing with their minds. I would think the guy who should be there to adjust this, is the hitting instructor, but I am no expert, just a fan
I am no expert, but it seems like most major leaguers have a pretty conssitent swing by the time they reach the ML. But the hitting coach has absolutely no direct impact on the games themselves. The OC of a NFL team is the mastermind behind the entire offensive strategy including the actual play-calling. So if an offense is underperforming in the NFL, it is rightly reasonable to blame the OC.
I think . . .
. . . we have identified another resident of lexluthland.
And, not to be too harsh, but yes, you are no expert.
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by owlcroft on Sep 8, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"And, not to be too harsh, but yes, you are no expert."
breathtaking
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I think it falls into the "no shit, Sherlock" category.
Well, sure – but I think the creative use of using the entire bullpen, all hands on deck, fuck it we’re bringing in Timmy/MadBum, WHATEVER to win this game because we don’t want a game 7…..is what Bochy deserves credit for.
Yeah, Dusty would’ve brought in Reuter and perhaps sunk/swam with him.
Bochy managed his ass off and the Giants won the Pennant and then the Series.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
http://videosift.com/video/SNL-The-mad-tea-party-with-Steve-Buscemi
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-Obi-Wan Kenobi
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
"Bochy does awesome job in 2010 post season"
You can play craps in a casino and make every terrible bet known to man and walk away a substantial winner. That does not signify that you have done an “awesome job” of placing your bets. As the old saying goes, it is better to be lucky than good.
By any remotely rational analysis of decisions taken, then or in general, Bruce Bochy is a terrible manager. If you think otherwise, adduce a substantial series of decisions he has made that stand up to analysis as good. These pages are filled daily with corresponding lists of things he has done that are terrible.
That a particular racehorse can win, at least in a photo finish, even when laden with sand-filled saddlebags does not constitute proof that running with sand-filled saddlebags is a good way to win horse races.
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by owlcroft on Sep 8, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
May I ask, merely out of curiosity, what managers you feel comport with your preferences? Are there in any currently active in the majors you’d like to see come to San Francisco? And what characteristics do they possess that appeal to you?
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I think the managerial system in baseball needs a SERIOUS overhaul. I don’t get the overwhelming ideology that managers need to be former players. More often than not, pro players aren’t the brightest people in the world. They have a tendency to buy into stupid traditions like needing a high-average guy batting 2nd to “move the leadoff man over.” They do things like lead off with Orlando Cabrera or Aaron Rowand to “shake up the lineup.” I realize the two examples I just cited were both Bork’s doing, but I find myself looking at many teams’ lineups almost every day and thinking to myself, “Is that really the most efficient way they could think of to score runs?” I just don’t understand how those that construct the everyday lineups for ML teams are among the slowest to pick up on new methods for improving the team.
by boonitez on Sep 8, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know, I wondered the same thing about former players. Doesn’t that practice simply reinforce the bad ideas that got them there?
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In a word: Yes.
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I think they oughta take one or two end of SpringTraining type games and twitterise it: somehow let the basement dwellers make the lineups and call the shots. You’d have to arrange it so that the whole thing wasn’t taken over by “play Cain at 3rd” types. AthleticsNation vs. the McCoven with the blogsphere calling the moves.
mm-hmm
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by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
“God dammit Alou, this isn’t the bullpen phone, it’s my home number. How did you even get this? I’m trying to eat dinner and both of us are retired!”
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Sep 8, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
I think you can do this now on a computer- or at least that is what I tell myself. I would be interested to see what happens when you sim thousands of games using Bochy-style management versus say one of Maddon.
Well, obviously, even if Maddon won his single game, Bochy would win way more even if his winning percentage was lower.
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by Ott on Sep 8, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't follow others closely . . .
. . . but Joe Maddon, and I imagine Davey Johnson (I say that because it’s been a while since last he managed, and sometimes men change their ideas, but he used to be pretty good). mrs owlcroft thinks also Eric Wedge, but I don’t know enough to comment on that.
The characteristics they possess are what seems to be a sound appreciation of the elements of play that go into winning baseball in some realistic proportion to each. Johnson, for example, famously valued offense over defense in making player-personnel decisions. Maddon, I believe, uses—with some understanding, apparently—modern analytic metrics and strategies. (It is sometimes hard to remember that Johnson’s college degree is in mathematics.)
There may well be others, but, as I said, I don’t really follow other organizations closely enough to speak with assurance.
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Is there any robust statistical analysis on the relative impact of a good versus bad manager in terms of actual wins and losses?
"Robust" is a relative term.
Back in the early 1960s, Earnshaw Cook, in his book Percentage Baseball, took a whack at it, but I suspect he somewhat overstated the case for dramatic emphasis. He reckoned there that sound principles could add 273 runs to a team’s seasonal total; but a lot of that (113 runs) was from use of his pitching-use scheme, which involved pinch hitting for the pitcher at every game opportunity save one (actually, it is not at all a bad idea, and variants of it have been tried at the minor-league level with success, but it’s just too radical for serious consideration by any club, which says something about the state of the art today).
I incline to the old saying that a good manager can’t do much to help his team, but a bad one can do a lot to hurt them.
Putting the best eight out every day (best for that day) is important, perhaps critically important. That Aaron Rowand ended up with over 350 PA, even allowing for the injuries, tells one right there of gross roster abuse; couple that with Pat Burrell getting only barely over 200 PA, and the case is cinched. A patient analysts could go over just the play-time allocations and do some calculations on runs lost; even allowing, again, for the injuries (or look at 2010 and 2009), one could calculate the runs that that sort of folly alone cost the team.
Then there are the tactical things: all the stolen-base attempts (success even at high rates adds vanishingly little to the runs total, and the 65% or so success rate the Giants have this year just costs runs. Those are harder to quantify, but one could try it.
Then there are the pitching-use decisions. Bochy is a superb example of the difference between managing the game and letting the game manage you. He virtually never makes the decision to remove a pitcher, leaving that up to the opposing team. One can see that in the extent to which many Giants’ pitchers—especially starters—have higher actual ERAs than their “quality of pitching” stat suggests—which results from to much pitching when they should have been gone.
RThere’s lots more, but I’ve got to run to the post office now before it closes.
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by owlcroft on Sep 8, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this was amazing.
<3.
Also, the Giants made four (!!!) outs on the base paths yesterday:
1) Cody out on Pill’s line-out DP. He was running on 3-2 pitch with nobody out – This one is meh.
2) Christian picked off – I’m told it looked like a balk.
3) Ford CS – He’s been pretty good at getting caught at the big league level so far.
4) Pill thrown out at home on shallow fly ball – WTF.
This last one is maddening. I’m not sure why Pill hadn’t been pinch run for given all the speedsters available on the expanded roster. Burris, anyone? Further proof of Bochy’s incompetence, if any more was needed. Maybe he just hates Belt that much: He couldn’t stand to pinch run for Pill because it might have meant Belt at first for some portion of the rest of the game.
Savoring disappointment since 1993.
Excellent post. So glad you are here!
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 9, 2011 1:47 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
To say you have "virtually no opportunity whatsoever" to be a GM of a baseball team is false.
If you are so confident in your abilities, go out and earn yourself an internship with a team and work up from there. Brian Cashman did it. Theo Epstein did it.
GIT OUT OF BASEMENT STOP EAT CHEETOS LEARN HOW TO DO LAUNDRY YOU CAN DO IT!!!
by InTimmyWeTrust on Sep 9, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
it's therapeutic and educational
to play Out of the Park Baseball. It’s certainly not perfect, but an interesting exercise.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions
.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=16514595
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
And won!
But he had like 6 runs of support
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 8, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
and this,
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15250309
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
OT
there’s a dodger in my toilet
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by son of ggf on Sep 8, 2011 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
No. It isn’t wearing a Yankees jersey. Leave it to SIRM to play for two of the most vile teams
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 8, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Two Dodgers, One Cup
not just a cost cutting move my McCourt!
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Your mom's a girl
heh
if I had photoshop talentz, I’d make one of Clippy saying “I notice you are on the internet…what type of porn would you like to see?”
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Your mom's a girl
my McCourt?
by McCourt
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Your mom's a girl
Tommy Lasorda's best side.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 9, 2011 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions
really. isn’t Job One for a shortstop to field the position?
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Apparently on the Giants, catchers don't have to be able to catch
so who knows what they think about Shortstops
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 8, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The signing of Tejada and the trade for Cabrera tell us exactly what the Giants think about shortstops.
They have to have about the same dexterity and hand eye coordination as Jay Leno’s chin?
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No, as . . .
. . . a pregnant lady hippopotamus on ice skates.
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No.
Job One for any player is to maximize the team’s chances of winning the current ball game. There are many varying mixes of talent that can come out to about the same net result, and there are more yet that don’t. A run scored is (roughly) equal in value to a run saved, but the ability to help score runs and the ability to help save runs are not equal in value because they have different extremes for the spectra involved. Batting is roughly 2.5 times more important than fielding.
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by owlcroft on Sep 8, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
This is where you lose me. How can they be of equal weight, yet not? Is is at all possible that it’s simply because you haven’t (yet) devised reliable methods for evaluating defense? How can you be sure of your weighting if you aren’t able to evaluate half the game?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
don’t forget pitching
on the defensive side, there are 8 other players in the field
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True
and each player doesn’t have equal opportunity to contribute to the defense.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
right
so, preventing a run or scoring a run, at the team level, are roughly equal in their value. At least for levels of scoring that we actually see. I’m sure that changes at the margins.
But, since when you are standing in the field, you are one of 9, so you are not going to have the same impact as with the bat. Also, the pitcher is responsible for a good bit of that.
So, team level, they are pretty equal. But if you are deciding who to play at a particular position, their hitting is going to have more of an impact.
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not sure this makes sense since you only have 4-5 abs per game. I would imagine the number of defensive plays is similar for most postions. I would bet it has more to do with the fact that the scope of defensive talent is much more narrower and thus it is much easier to find good defenders than it is to find good hitters. does that make sense?
I always thought the shortstop fields more balls in play than any other position.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Note the words . . .
. . . “extremes for the spectra”. A run saved and a run scored are—roughly speaking—of equal value. But the range of player abilities to help add runs scored is much wider than the range of abilities to prevent runs from scoring. A player whose offense can add 20 or even 30 runs more to the team total as compared to some plausible other man is not a freakish thing at all (especially in the outfield), whereas (even if we put some trust in current fielding metrics, which I don’t) a player who can save his team 20 or 30 runs compared to some plausible other man is wildly freakish, if such a thing even exists.
I am not sure of my weighting, but, as I recently posted elsewhere hereabouts, a preliminary attack I undertook not long ago on how runs yielded would look for each team if it had all-average team defense behind it showed (if it embodied no errors, which wants some triple- and quadruple-checking, which is why I still call it “preliminary”) that pitching constituted about 60% of the difference in runs allowed by teams and fielding about 40%. Since defense is 50% of the total game, and offense the other 50%, the ratio of significance of offense to fielding as components of the total game is 50:20, or 2.5:1.
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by owlcroft on Sep 8, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT Kerry Collins
Is really old, i feel old now.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
LOL
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Come on...
Carolina
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He’s only about 39 yrs. old.
solution to our problems
move panda to SS, nate the great to 3B….cant be any worse than o-cabs defense.
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Some of do, but . . .
. . . also recognize that if he were to catch a couple of days a week, that would be a big boost to the team. It is just easier to find a tolerable fill-in for a third baseman than for an outstanding catcher, and starting Posey 150 or 155 games a season at catcher is, as Li Hsen Chang would put it, very unwise, very unwise.
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no
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed the Belt to play winter ball thread—anyone who was present care to summarize the grougthink?
TIA
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Winter ball used to be common
No problem with him going down south to get some extra work in. I’ve read the pitchers throw a lot of off speed stuff. Good.
How does it hurt?
Used to be common….before endless coups, drug wars, hostage grabbings, ak-47s, and attack chimps everywhere…. I know it’s not as bad as what we hear in the media, but I wouldn’t want to go either, especially as a young, my life’s just getting started kid, who probably hasn’t prepared for such a thing. Maybe they should try to send them in a group of 3 or 4 or something, safety in numbers and all that.
I wouldn’t move to Michigan to further my career I can’t fault young men for not wanting to trundle off to a foreign country.
Brandon Crawford may never be a good ML player
But at least there is a ray of hope that he might be. These days we could all use a little hope.
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 3:08 PM PDT reply actions
You know why the young unknown should play instead of the retreads?
Because, fuck it, that’s why.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:10 PM PDT reply actions
Just play Fontenot.
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by rotorueter on Sep 8, 2011 3:10 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
It's a long game and plenty of them left
Start the veterans (except for the obvious releases) and then let the rooks play. But this can only happen once we are eliminated Period. sorry but the veterans earned the right to play out the season.
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No, they didn't
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
so who’s in there that you would pull out. I know Cabrera has to be one and Huff well he aint really playing is he. So who else?
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by luved the stick on Sep 8, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Those two are mainly the ones who would ride the pine
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
well
that gets Crawford in but how do we get Belt in? platoon with Pill or pull Ross out. Its a clusterf*** now anyway. This manager can figure out 500 different lineups I am as tired of it as you. I’m on your side!
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Sep 8, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt would be in LF or 1B.
Pill is roster filler. But sure, why not start him at 1B? There really is nothing to lose. I’m not really sure why you consider any of this so confusing.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt should be playing over Brett Pill and Cody Ross without question. I like Pill and I think he should get starts at 1b while he’s still hitting and Ross should sit in favor of Belt – or put Ross in center and sit someone else. Whatever. Who cares. Belt should play every day.
Like that
Ross in center and Belt in left. I am hoping the law of averages will have Cody hitting again soon and I hate to see him sitting. I was just saying “go with those that got you there”and that was the rewards I felt they earned. Agree that Cabrera’s a bust sit him and even ship him. he’s useless.
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Sep 8, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s probably the streakiest hitter that I’ve ever watched with my own eyes. It’s great when the hot streak comes in the playoffs, I suppose, but consistency seems like a pretty good asset to have as a baseball player.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 10, 2011 1:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry but...
What season have you been watching?
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How exactly did Cabrera earn anything? Apparently what Tejada and Rowand earned was an early vacation. The team should face the reality that they are not going to make the playoffs this year. They are 7 games back with 19(?) to play and Arizona has an absurdly easy schedule. So how about using this next three weeks to learn something useful about some of the prospects. Brandon Crawford is someone I am particularly curious about since before this season, he had never played above AA ball. Brandon Belt is another player I would like to learn more about. I would like to see him play every day.
they earned the right to get dfa’d. two of them already have.
what is your argument that they earned it? How did they earn it? What did they do?
Again I say
We are all pissed that the Giants veterans didn’t come through this year. Lose Posey, Freddy Sanchez, Burrell, Wilson and then the remainder of the team hasn’t been hitting anything more than 1 run homers. Remember that streak? There’s a reason it stayed intact for zillion years. Belt should have played with Huff sitting, I agree. But management was probably hoping he might find his mojo. Belt could have even been in Ross’ spot. but damn these guys won the WS. They don’t deserve to hit out of a slump?
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by luved the stick on Sep 8, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we are confusing which veterans we’re talking about here. Did Cabrera win the World Series last year?
Also, I know that Huff was a huge part of the reason the Giants made the playoffs last year, but it was HIGHLY unexpected considering his previous season’s stats, and the Giants resigned him although they had Belt ready to come up and play first base for the season a la Freddie Freeman. At least we should have gone with Belt in LF, Huff at 1b. We did neither, and I think Huff has earned a rightful place on the bench, at least a few times a week if not every damn day.
"Highly"? No.
Huff had one season better than 2010, one very nearly identical, and two more pretty close; and many of the rest of his eleven seasons have been at least solid. Of those 11, he has had 3 mediocre and two bad. His career totals, even with this year killing them, are quite respectable.
So I really think the adjective “highly” (especially emphasized in block caps) is, um, HIGHLY inappropriate.
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Highly was HIGHLY maybe over the top a little bit, but look at Huff’s WAR from fangraphs the past seasons.
05: .2
06: 1.2
07: 1
08: 4
09: -1.8
10: 5.8
11: -1
The outliers certainly seem to be 2008 and 2010, no?
I have zero interest in WAR.
Huff’s TOP—what nine clones of him would have scored in a given season—looks like this:
Year Org PA TOP 2000 tam 129 766 2001 tam 434 564 2002 tam 494 1096 2003 tam 706 1148 2004 tam 667 1028 2005 tam 636 760 2006 hou 261 910 2006 tam 256 891 2007 bal 603 823 2008 bal 661 1107 2009 bal 480 708 2009 det 117 419 2010 sfo 668 1121 2011 sfo 544 595
By comparison, of reasonably everyday players in 2011, there are only 7 or 8 first basemen in all MLB with TOPs over 1000 (7 or 8 depending on how you reckon “reasonably everyday”), and only 12 or 13 better than Huff’s career value (making him slightly above mid-pack).
For whatever reasons, his 2011 is his worst season as a regular save 2001, and they’re close. (And please, spare me any nonsense about “age”, ’K?)
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Well you might have zero interest in it, but that doesn't mean it doesn't mean something.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 8, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
This is funny coming from you
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it doesn't.
But I prefer to use the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Also, there is a fundamental difference there in type of metric: WAR is sort of miles driven while TOP (and many other analogous measures) are MPH. Now if the drive time is constant, they end up measuring alike, but things like injury and managerial whim necessarily have a big influence on WAR.
If I want to know how good a player might be at adding runs to his team’s total, I am interested in his likely average MPH, and I’ll decide on the driving time, thank you. I am not terribly interested (as I said at the outset) in how many miles he drove on some other course, because to make sense of that, I’ll need to know his MPH there anyway.
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How many WAR do you get in a season in which you don't play?
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None.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Just so.
If TOP and its many cousins are MPH (productivity rate measures), WAR is the miles you accumulate driving at that speed.
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-I am not aware of some stats, what does TOP stand for and how is it measured?
-Where would his TOP from 2005 to 2010 relate to other first basemen? I know he had a few really good years with TB at the start of his career, but he seemed to drop off quite a bit minus 08 and 10.
-Also, how did you import this chart into your comment and make it grey? Nicely done.
Here is Huff’s wRC+ during these past 7 years:
05: 92
06: 111
07: 103
08: 135
09: 77
10: 141
11: 80
Total Offensive Production
It measures how many runs a team composed of nine of that player would score in a season.
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OK:
TOP is an initialism for Total Offensive Productivity. It is calculated from a formula that is, in the full form, quite complex, as it weighs in everything from sac flies to catcher’s interference. What its result is is the number of runs that a team comprising nine exact clones of a given player would score over one season. When used that way, to evaluate a single player, the formula slightly idealizes by setting managerially directed scoring-killers (like sac bunts for batters or intentional walks for pitchers) to zero.
I say “that way” because the basis of the formula is a way of evaluating team stats to get most probable team runs scored. Tested against the last 55 years (1955 – 2009) of major-league play—the cutpoint is where the scoring rules last changed, finally making the sac fly an official stat again, between 1954 and 1955—the TOP is, by a micro-hair, the most accurate of the run-projecting formulae. “Base Runs”, beloved of Tango and that crowd, is a very, very close second.
TOP is of that large family of “Runs Created” type formulae that rely on the proposition that the probability of two independent events both occurring is the separate probabilities of each multiplied. The “events” are getting on base and being driven in. (This is obviously something of an oversimplification.) The probability of getting on base is the ordinary OB%, modified by corrections for runners later thrown out while on the basepaths. The probability of runners on base being driven in—what we may call the “RBI Factor”—is what varies most from one version to another of such formulae, but is dominated by hits, and most especially extra-base hits.
The TOP is either unique or close to it (I don’t know every formula out there) by also adding in a corrective for the “compound interest” effect higher OB% has: the bare formula in essence states the probability of a given batter becoming a run, but with higher OBPs, there are also more batters coming to the plate to have that opportunity. Older “Runs Created” formulae, like Bill James’s, appeared to overstate run production for heavily power-hitting teams, but the truth was that they were actually understating the value of OB% for more ordinary teams.
This article in The Baseball Analysts may help.
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by SFGuy on Sep 8, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
How did the veterans earn their right to play?
By being old?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I should note here that I am in the play Crawford camp. Total sucker for UZR porn.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I’ll just have to defer to your superior knowledge.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Is he, though?
You would rather have Cabrera for the rest of the season?
Even if you think Cabrera is better there is a strong argument to play Crawford.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently . . .
. . . The Mighty Atom has become a Silent (see Dr Who). No matter how often his name is mentioned (often to general agreement), a moment later it’s “Cabrera or Crawford?”
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FONTENLOL
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Mostly because I keep forgetting Fontenot exists.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
See! A Silent.
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They're not
But people who are arguing for Fontenot are arguing, in essence, to play the guy who gives the Giants the best chance of winning now. It’s a bizarre argument, because the Giants are in spring training right now. Either Fontenot will be back or he won’t, but he isn’t the SS (if you want to call him that) on the roster who needs major-league at-bats.
By that logic, it scarcely makes more sense to be playing Sandoval. Let the prospects have a shot.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Vanilla!
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions
If they had a 3B prospect
It would make sense to play him, but Conor Gillaspie is not really it. (Although come to think of it, he probably should get a couple starts at second or third to try him out for a utility role.) Realistically, however, you’d probably still want to play Sandoval at least most of the time because he’s one of the people the fans come to see. Nobody comes to see Fontenot (or Cabrera).
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by Giant among Angels on Sep 8, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
just a followup to the last thread, re long/short swings
—it’s not the swing “length”
it’s how quick you are to change the bat momentum and get the bat to flex. Strong, extremely quick hands are what makes the difference. That’s BLB in a nutshell.
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Yo Nerds
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by jctGamer on Sep 8, 2011 3:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Vulcan LOL
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 8, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait Magic the Gathering is going Twilight this set?
FUCK THIS SHIT
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I am pretty worried about this set
It seems like Kamigawa Part 2
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Liliana vs Garruk this set = Vampire vs Werewolves
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Speaking of the Dodgers
we are only 4 1/2 games ahead of them. I do not see how we will finish ahead of them.
As many have said, can we please forget this year and give the young guys some playing time. We really don’t need to deport them to get them playing time.
And as for the old guys why not drag Zito down to start against Kershaw?
I do not see how we will finish ahead of them.
Answer: Beat. They. Azz.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 8, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, could someone please pass that tasty dish of Orlando Cabrera down to this end of the table?
oh boy am I stuffed! A little of that went a long way.
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 8, 2011 3:53 PM PDT reply actions
thanks a lot, OBAMA
(I didn’t click the link but I know that response is the easiest way to start an argument.)
The first six innings are overrated.
The article had more of a “there more than enough blame to spread around” theme to it. Still not something I want to read when almost everyone I know is job hunting.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He had his price. Everyone does.
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by Ott on Sep 8, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I see what you did there…
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by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I acutaly think Posner did a really nice job spreading the blame. he also made me wonder how bad things are going to get. I am also fairly certain we will be swearing in a new President in Jan 2013.
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If he's lucky, the various splinters will out-extreme each other and split the vote to guarantee him a win.
But if the GOP finds a candidate they can actually agree on in droves, he’s screwed. Right now the only thing they have in common is dissatisfaction with the status quo. But if they convince enough people they’ve got a candidate with some solutions, there will be a change in parties.
Too many average citizens are just mad because they don’t have the money they’d like because the talking heads tell them they’re screwed, and not enough of these same citizens bother to find out who’s to blame. (Themselves…)
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Doesn't have to.
All you need to do is convince enough people s/he does. Sounds like splitting hairs, but it really isn’t.
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Would you like to place a wager?
Only extreme incompetence on the part of the Republicans will result in them losing next year’s presidential election.
I'm anticipating flattish
Not enough to reduce unemployment appreciably. (For that, we’d need a couple quarters of 4+% growth — not happening). I see no real way for a president to be re-elected with 9% unemployment.
Not really
About the same margin that he won by, perhaps a bit closer. The Republicans will nominate somebody crazy, which will make it closer than it ought to be. There’s a lot of research on this, though — campaigns and candidates have a minimal impact on presidential election results, which are determined by fundamentals.
‘Only extreme incompetence’ is calling for a landslide.
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by wcw on Sep 8, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok
The biggest under-performers according to fundamental models in the past 50 years did so by only around 4%. So if the GOP nominates the 2012 Republican equivalent of McGovern (Bachmann? As an analogy it works surprisingly well), they’ll be in some trouble in spite of the economic malaise. That would be “extreme incompetence,” (assuming they do lose) but note the rather small amount of under-performance actually induced. And it’s worth noting that a big under-performers like McGovern would still have lost even if he’d performed in line with fundamentals. Nobody’s ever turned an expected big win into a loss before.
It's large in the context of potential underperformance
But if you’re saying 53-47 is a landslide, I disagree.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
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by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
/loads shotgun
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not really a stretch.
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The whole thing reminds me of 2004.
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Except this year will be between two war candidates.
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What do you mean? No one was anti-war in 2004, either.
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Why do you guys hate the military?
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
wat?
Is this sarcasm?
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Yes.
It was a joke about how anyone who is anti-war is immediately considered hating the military.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, ok. Cool.
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I think a lot of candidates are afraid to speak out against military escalation because they are afraid they will be perceived as anti-military. A lot of politicians, on both sides, are just plain hawks, though.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it is a mix of hawks and special interests. On this front I think the Rs are actually more honest as they actually believe in this shit while the ‘Progressives’ BS the base and continue the same.
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Absolutely. Much of it is about the military industrial complex, lobbyists, etc.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
IIRC Kerry was although I didn't follow too closely back then.
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Nah. He voted for the war as a Senator, and then there was that infamous interview after the convention where he was asked something like “Knowing what we know now about WMDs, would you still have voted to authorize the war?” and answered in the affirmative.
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Considering Obama’s huge draw-downs in Iraq—-he’s arguably the most anti-war candidate of the four (Obama, McCain, Bush, Kerry).
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You have to consider his huge escalation in Afghanistan though. Not to mention the escalated use of drones around the world.
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I knew he voted for the war but was under the impression the he had recanted.
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Howard Dean’s anti-war views were basically the only reason he was as popular as he was—-he was the closest thing to a mainstream anti-war candidate.
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I always thought his “ARRGHHHHHH” thing was unfortunate because I kind of liked him. His ridiculous yell had no bearing on me but of course it’s not ones views that are magnified in an election.
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Yeah, he was (is) a really bright guy, and more centrist than the media narrative let on. He was a big fiscal hawk as Governor.
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Howard Dean spoke at my college shortly before the election
After being announced, he walked up to the mike and screamed “YEEEAAAAAAARRRRGH!” He waited a couple seconds, and then said “Now that that’s out of the way, good evening everybody.”
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 9, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Heh, yeah it was blown so out of proportion that he probably had to do that for years.
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oh god, yeah
That whole incident was infuriating; listening to the unedited tapes you can barely even hear him over the crowd. That’s why he was screaming. He was an outside shot for the nomination, but the networks sunk him.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 9, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Things are never as good as they seem or as bad as they seem.
But the vicious cycle of taking turns sabotaging the economy and gridlocking the congress so the president / other party can be blamed for this mess has to stop.
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by jctGamer on Sep 8, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Centrist magazine
Which I guess nowadays means center-left.
Meh
I only read Jonathans Chait and Cohn. I really soured on the whole magazine during the Marty Peretz era.
That sourness you’re talking about was caused by Muslims. Somehow. At least that’s what Peretz told me.
The first six innings are overrated.
Dude was craaaa-zy
And a bigot. Mainly a bigot.
I stopped reading TNR about the same time
But i still follow a few of them on Twitter. Chait left this week for NY mag which is pretty remarkable.
Interesting
I hadn’t heard that. Good for him?
It’s more or less left-of-center – a deal more centrist on the economy these days, and consistently pro-Israel and occasionally hawkish on the Middle East. It’s noticeably more progressive than the American left on some social issues, however, such as gay rights.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I got confused when he typed ‘the American left’ as if there were such a thing.
by wcw on Sep 8, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured Paul Krguman died at some point after bashing his head against a wall for the past two decades. Poor guy.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What part of the American left
Is not progressive on gay rights? I mean, if I think of Washington Monthly, Mother Jones, American Prospect, I don’t think of hostility to gay rights, or even close.
It has to exist somewhere
No proposition in California gets passed without Dem support; including 8.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think I would say Dem = left, or anyway nowhere near to the extent that Republican = right.
Saying Prop 8 got Dem support is a little off, anyway. Virtually every Democratic public official in California opposed it, and in the event, self-identified Democrats did oppose Prop 8 something like 70-30 at the polls. It just wasn’t enough.
I feel like a lot of social issues, but gay rights in particular, are better viewed in terms of young/old than left/right.
The first six innings are overrated.
This is true
But at least in California, support for gay rights is the mainstream Democratic position almost to the extent that opposition to abortion is the mainstream Republican position. But as with the Republicans and abortion, it doesn’t follow that every supporter of a broad coalition supports the coalition’s agenda in every particular.
Anecdotal:
My grandparents are self-identifying Democrats who voted for 8 because of their Catholic beliefs. So, those demographics are out there.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
This is pretty much my point.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Prop 8 got A LOT of money and support from out of state …ummm “groups” … we’ll just say “groups” and leave it at that.
This is absolutely true
Still, someone in-state had to pull the lever.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Same, ummmm, groups, pretty much. Out of state groups instructed the in-state groups which lever to pull.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Sorry but one reason Prop 8 passed
is because of a high turnout of registered Democrats to support Obama.
There were many African-American and Hispanic voters, especially in LA, in that election who told exit pollsters that (1) they didn’t usually vote, (2) were voting this time to support Obama, and (3) voted for Prop 8.
There is a difference between pundits/elected officials and rank-and-file ground troops.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Why are you apologizing?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Because
I think that that goes against a lot of Bay Area people’s belief systems (and against what taliesin asserted)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Ah
Well, as a person who doesn’t traditionally follow either party lockstep, I agree with you.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm aware of the demographics
But it doesn’t change the fact that even with Latinos (Latinos were only modestly more likely than whites to support Prop 8, actually) and African-Americans, who both supported Prop 8 and Obama, Democrats opposed Prop 8 by a large margin. So saying Prop 8 had “Dem support” is not accurate. Some Democrats voted for it, obviously, but it won because 85% of Republicans voted for it.
I read an analysis somewhere
that if Democrat voting patterns in Nov 2008 had followed a usual presidential election profile, then Prop 8 would not have passed.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Seems fishy
African-Americans were the only portion of the Democratic coalition to strongly support Prop 8, and even with the high turnout were only 10% of the electorate. You’d have to think the AA turnout was like double the usual to take out enough Prop 8 supporters to keep it from passing.
Lies, Damn Lies, and Exit Polls
The “Prop 8 Passed Because Black People” meme is based on a single exit poll. While it’s likely that African-Americans and Latinos were more likely than other parts of the Democratic coalition to support it, that support could hardly be described as strong. Hint: follow the money. Prop 8 passed because its supporters were more motivated to pass it, and backed it up with the money to set the terms of the debate.
The one way voter turnout might have had an impact is if people figured that Obama was going to win California handily, and that something as ridiculous as Prop 8 couldn’t possibly pass when same-sex marriages had been going on for months and California was still here. The mistake was expecting people to be rational.
sorry, i phrased that badly.
Ahead of what the American left’s elected representatives are actually doing about it.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Leftish leaning but not really. It’s a bit of a punchline in more liberal circles talk about how Conservatives will say things like “Even the liberal New Republic thinks that…”
It was run by neocon hack Marty Peretz until late last year and it supported going into Iraq.
The first six innings are overrated.
so when do I have to buy a gun?
"That's no moon... That's a San Francisco Giants World Series trophy."
-Obi-Wan Kenobi
by Uribe nee Gonzalez on Sep 8, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Another silver lining to coming to the end of the season
When it’s over, we (hopefully) won’t have to watch the Giants play without Posey anymore.
To be honest...
as much as I’m very solidly standing in the START BRANDON BELT EVERY FUCKING DAY line, I find Bochy’s preference to play Cabrera over any other available SS on the roster the more infuriating managerial decision. At least with Belt he was being blocked by Huff, who did so much for this team last year both on and off the field. Not saying that’s a good reason not to play Belt, just that it’s a slightly more defensible decision given Bork’s love of gritty veterans.
Cabrera wasn’t here last year. He hasn’t been here much over a month. He was a relatively low-risk trade gamble after Beltran, and that gamble has failed spectacularly. He is not helping this team and there’s a strong argument to be made that he’s hurting it. Is there even a 10% chance Orlando Cabrera is back with the Giants in 2012? (Please say no.) No? Then there’s absolutely no reason to play him now.
In short, the person playing shortstop for the Giants over the last few weeks of 2011 doesn’t have to be Brandon Crawford, but it should definitely be Not Orlando Cabrera.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
/Sabean working on 3 yr/30 million dollar extension
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I concur
at least the Belt-hate is consistent with other indignities perpetrated on rookies. Cabrera plays ahead of a better veteran and a presumably not-worse rookie.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the acquisition of Cabrera that really gets me
If I’m hungry and don’t really want to go out for dinner, I may heat up those leftovers from a 3 day old casserole that wasn’t very good in the first place. Not really because I want it, but because I have it and it’s better than nothing, and just easier than cooking anything else.
I’m not going to get up and go out to a restaurant and say “Waiter, can you please tell me what other customers didn’t eat last weekend, and if you happened to save any of that? Just put it in a bowl and serve it up!”
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Sep 8, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is an example of the stiffnecked obtuseness that I associate with Bochy, and it's the thing that makes me loathe him with a fury.
I can only hope that Bowtie has an adviser with some baseball acumen who can suggest putting both Sabean and Bighead into a cannon and launching them into North Korea.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone tried . . .
. . . at least the initial approach to reaching the stage of giving some advice. It was, um, disappointing.
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How shocking!
.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That is a silly remark.
And why and how it is silly has been pointed out at length before this. But (sigh), to repeat: that a racehorse encumbered with heavy saddlebags of sand can still squeak out a win does not mean that the way to win horse races is to pile on the sandbags.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
So,
Your answer is “no?”
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Yes, it's No.
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This sucks… Thursday, no baseball, the Mr. has bowling, the only thing on tv will be handegg and it’s 102˚ outside. Fiddle-dee-dee.
I would happily trade places with you…. on my way to pick up the kids at school, get them home and fed and then go to a beginning of the year school cocktail party
Well…this changes everything…
Job interview tomorrow – for a job I actually might want this time.
Now I have something to do tonight!!!
all righty then
good luck Merope!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks
I’ve apparently found away to ensure getting called for a job interview: eat a nice bowl of spaghetti with a very garlicky sauce, and some extreme garlic bread.
Kripes, I’m going to kill the interview panel!
Yes!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Gracias, ojala que mi español ayudame mucho en ganar este trabajo.
Crap I’m out of practice!!! The lady who scheduled the interview said they’d received a ton of applications. So we’ll see, but at least this job won’t involve walking into a combat zone at night.
Pienso que tu eres una superstar! Adelante! And hey they like people who speak Spanish. With practice I’m sure you’ll be okay. Look at me. My Spanish is still bad but I’m getting by here.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Ray Ratto realize what he just did?
RattoCSNRay Ratto
At 4:20 in the afternoon? I’m not really hungry any more RT @49ersPR: #49ers Mid-Day Snack #NFL http://tinyurl.com/3fc956p
32 seconds agoFavoriteRetweetReply
He lied.
Ray Ratto is always hungry.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Ratto the Hut
He’s hungry for some Jaymee Sirewich.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 8, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
in this instance
I’d like it if clicking the subject line removed the left half from view.
Is Leia wishing for a beverage in this photo?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
in a scene cut from the theatre reels
Jabba “invites” her to drink from his glass.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought 4:20 was all about inducing snackiness
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Your mom's a girl
4:20 was invented by the snack food industry!!!
by BestHyperboleEver on Sep 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Man what was Fox thinking with that segment
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/fox-sports-cancels-show-that-mocked-asians-at-usc.html
Forget offensive. That was just not funny at all.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Also, Asian Drivers!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
THEM TALK FUNNY WHEN NOT BORN IN MERCUH
I made it through about 10 seconds of that.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
D’Ermilio said the network is taking steps to make sure an “incident of this nature is not repeated in the future.”
“Hey. Don’t be a fucking moron.”
Anyway, everyone knows that shoulda been at UCLottaAsians.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 8, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Now here is something that's way better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fNa7tNFB7c4#!
Thoughts :
1. How the FUCK do you get a gig like that?
2. Russian women are beautiful.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
read my sig though before you click
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
making crazyawesome
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
That is horrible
There is seriously no excuse for that.
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
It’s Fox. They don’t make excuses.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
UNBIASED JOURNALISM (wink wink)
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
I kind of admire the sheer fuck you of it all.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
FTFY
It’s Fox. They’ll blame Obama don’t make excuses.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I get confused by people who think all Asian / Hispanic type looking people don’t know any English.
When I went to high school back in the dinosaur days, in Hayward, we had about every freaking nationality you could think of, all us kids, and many of their parents spoke English. Now we’re all grown up and some of us are grandparents: 2, 3 sometimes 4 generations of English speakers and yet people will assume they don’t speak the language because of their appearance.
People suck.
Ah, I went to Mt Eden. I feel like we should be obligated to have some sort of rivalry but when both schools are so bad on so many levels there’s no point to it.
The first six innings are overrated.
we had about every freaking nationality you could think of
That’s what really confuses me. Some people live in god-knows-where, where there really aren’t any _ people, so all they have to go on is bad stereotypes from TV. But Hayward? WTF?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 8, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck that guy. Someone should karate chop that douche.
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
by fjm on Sep 9, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Everybody's Kung Fu Fighting
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Hey
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I don't care for Orlando Cabrera
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
how dare you
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yo
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey. Not that I think you’re a white boy.
Handegg is not until 5:30
And it is 2 teams that I don’t really like.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Cheers!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:14 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Lars= droog
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
bondslegend?
Where is he anyway
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
he works a lot more these days. Or maybe he’s too disgusted to be enraged by these cretins.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the only "sport" with a larger percentage of hillbilly fans than handegg would be NASCAR
Holy shit is anyone watching this pre-game?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:25 PM PDT reply actions
rasslin?
and no, I’ll 100% pass on pregame pomp and circumstance.
I have enough exposure to shitty pop artists as it is
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Your mom's a girl
Versus used to be rather keen on rodeo events. Bull riding I think it was. (We always record hockey with an hour extra, seems like that last 30 minutes was always bull ridin’)
Yes!
Because of that I ended up randomly watching the Ocho Cinco bull-riding thing. It wasn’t that great.
You never heard about that?
Somehow he ended up accepting a challenge from the, um, head rodeo guy to try to ride a bull. If he stayed on for eight seconds, he’d win a truck, I think it was. Anyway, he got bucked off so quickly it was ridiculous. Maybe he was on the thing for one second. But he did look pretty terrified, so there was that.
I think he was playing polo while riding the bull.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
wasn’t versus ‘outdoor loving network’ before it was versus?
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Your mom's a girl
lol…outdoor living network
outdoor loving might be completely different
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Actually, I think it was outdoor life network
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OLN! Bow-chicka-wow-wow….
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
YOUR TELEVISION VIEWING IS COMPLETE!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
If you define "hillbilly" as
votes Republican and doesn’t vote often, then Supercross (?) is the most hillbilly sport, after that drag racing, NASCAR, and rodeo.
As per Stankus’ thoughts: wrestling looks to be pretty low class, but skewed Democrat (I’m imagining people who look like The Rock, and vote identity politics).
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
According to this graphic people watch the WNBA....
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I am guessing
that there was no minimum size for the dots. :)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
So rich Dems watch tennis
But rich Republicans watch golf. Why can’t we all just get along???
That's where
MLB comes in!
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
They say hello in the locker room at the club.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
so baseball is a republican sport...but wrestling isnt? i dont know how accurate that is. and as for hockey
it is mainly in the north east as aa sport , not very traditonally republican areas
Speaking as someone who used to watch a lot of wrestling, wrestling has a large fanbase comprised of minorities. It’s not really the redneck sport as it is often stereotyped to be.
People who hate pro wrestling look down on people who do, calling them idiots for watching it (thinking people who watch believe what they see). It’s mostly not true.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It’s a Wal-Mart ‘sport’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't remember where I first saw it
on a political blog I think.
I found it again by doing a GIS on “sports fans political”, which took me to this page.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
The page has a dead link on it, but I traced the study to some research outfit called National Media. Here’s a link (opens in new window) to a brief PDF summary of the study.
Cool
thanks
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
btw
“I traced the study” = I google’d the title of the study and clicked on the first search return.
I interned at a political advertising firm one time
We bought a lot of air time during gold tournaments.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
golf!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Considering the demographics that tend to buy gold, that doesn’t seem too far off.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Trying to imagine a tournament of it makes me think of a bunch of Scrooge McDuck’s flinging gold coins at each other in a huge vault.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
by Ott on Sep 8, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Indians?
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Your mom's a girl
why would you want to do that?
I mean, they’ve done a wonderful job! :)
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Your mom's a girl
Look at the bright side
This depression is not nearly as bad as the depression we had when we were on the gold standard. Improvement!
PBR ISN’T RODEO!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't know that I'm ready for some football...
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I'm going to watch the front lawn grow. More interesting and I have no annoying football announcers descrbing the action in excited voices.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm guessing more people here hate football than like it
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I actually hate it.
Didn’t used to, but these days I would rather watch 8 hours of quilting than 10 minutes of football.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as the NFL goes
I’m more indifferent; I don’t hate it.
I like college football though.
Cue Shadow-style laugh.
Sonny, in my day, they played real baseball: two leagues, eight team each, one post-season series. The Boston Braves, and the Philadelphia Athletics, and three clubs in New York City.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I'm glad
I’m not the only one.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm with you.
I blame replay personally.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Sep 9, 2011 5:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Strangely and despite all the fantasy football I play, I have less and less interest in the sport the older I get. Don’t know why other than all the crap and over-hype that comes with it gets more and more annoying each other. It should really get off my lawn.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 9, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve actually enjoyed football more the last few years.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
We say every year—we’ll try it this year. But so far we looked in a bit on the LSU/Oregon match (between innings of the G’s game), and a bit of the 9r’s
preseason game.
We did get the NFL ticket for a season free with our satellite package, but aren’t likely to use it. Go Niners (I guess).
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
It’s probably because many of my friends love football so their excitement rubs off on me. Plus we decided to head to KC to finally see them play at home so I’m pretty pumped for that.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
AMERICA!!
FUCK YEAH!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:38 PM PDT reply actions
COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHER FUCKIN DAY YEAH
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
AMERICA!!!!
FUCK YEAH!
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
If you don't pay your $1.05
who will?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT ALEX SMITH!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:44 PM PDT reply actions
The 49ers brass didn’t like Aaron Rodgers because they thought he was “too arrogant”.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Meanwhile, back at the thread topic:
This certainly doesn’t prove anything worth proving, but it is amusing to consider.
A team of nine men batting exactly as Orlando Cabrera has batted for the Giants in 2011 would, under ideal conditions (no silly-ass menagerial tactics) score 286 runs in a season. Under the same conditions, but using 2011 Brandon Crawford as the original of the clones, the total would be 416. That’s how dreadful Cabrera’s offense has been this year for the Giants.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I may have been listening wrong but Larry Baer said on the radio that, when asked about Cabrera being in the lineup, “Bochy is trying to win with the best possible lineup”.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
that is
indeed what he said. I would like to know why they didn’t decide to win with the best lineup (i.e. ones guaranteed not to contain Rowand or Tejada) a little earlier on.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for taking the time to do that
It is interesting; at least to me.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you, but no time required at all.
It’s all right here.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Meaning that team would score a few less, because Bruce Bochy
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Fontenot?
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
HE IS EASY TO OVERLOOK, AMIRITE?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
no need to get short with your answers
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Not Alex Smith with the TD pass on the opening drive.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:47 PM PDT reply actions
LOL AINTS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 5:53 PM PDT reply actions
This still has me shaking my head
“Cabrera, sure, he’s made some errors,” Bochy said. “But you’ve got an experienced guy out there. I know he’s dropped a couple of popups. I think he’s as shocked as anybody he didn’t catch the ball, and he made some nice plays today coming in.”
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Maybe I am just blocking it out
But I do not remember Cabrera making any “nice plays” at all yesterday; coming in or otherwise.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I am just blocking it out
But I do not remember Cabrera making any "nice plays" at all yesterday; coming in or otherwise.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I remember
a couple. His arm isn’t totally useless. It’s just attached to 175 pounds of crap.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You are suggesting that we read more of this claptrap?
Bochy is a tool, and he’s dead to me. I will not purposely read or listen to anything that proceeds from the black hole of idiocy that lies between his ears.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m putting the source for legal reasons
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
But what if someone gets an aneurism from apoplexy after reading the buffoonery?
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not that Bochy thinks that Cabrera is good. The problem here is that to Bochy it clearly does not matter whether Cabrera is good; his experience is the only important thing.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
mrs owlcroft just opined . . .
. . . that this is Bochy’s way of saying “I was right all along to play Vinnie Castilla.” Could be, could be.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Not Alex Smith with his 2nd TD pass!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 6:01 PM PDT reply actions
I counted 811 words
Man, if we can’t even count on truth and justice from the MCC what is this world coming to?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Hell in a handbasket is the usual phrase.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
that's like 109!
(plus 700)
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Wow nice pass by Drew Brees....
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
The way I look at it
The playoffs are beyond our reach. The more O’Cab plays in September, the more losses we will pile up, the better draft spot we’ll get, the more likely it will be that even Boch and Sabes will realize the O’Cab should not be back on the team in 2012.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
/Sabean signs Orlando Cabrera to a 3 year, $20 million deal.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The thought of that made me a little bit sad
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
It’s not like they can come right out and admit that they are tanking games… maybe Bochy and Sabes are being savvy by playing Cabrera.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice fantasy
But then I submit to you these 5 words:
Jose Guillen in Sept. 2010.
Boch actually thinks running O’Cab out there everyday is his best chance of winning.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I was assuming that my level of seriousness would be evident by having used ‘savvy’ and ‘Sabes’ in the same sentence.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Went to Ikes Place today.
Pricey, but damn good.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
Agreed
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 8, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Hockey team plane crash
You want to be depressed? Video of tributes for Lokomotiv are making their way onto youtube. Jamie Baker just tweeted this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AI8YPm_tYXA
geez…
thanks
I’m full up on depression. :)
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
LOL TOUCHBACKS
The first six innings are overrated.
OT: Gonna have our first fresh corn from the garden tonight.
Corn is, of course, the Queen of Vegetables (but only when roasted).
Wahoo, beat the fucking voles out of something at last. (OK, OK, we actually got a pretty decent crop of peas and favas.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Nice work!
Our tomatoes are ripening really slowly this year due to the cool summer, but they’re coming.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 8, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Oy. Tomatoes and peppers and global warming.
We had an overnight low of 35 degrees on July 28 (just to pick one random sample) and a high of 55 degrees on March 24. We have gotten a few cherry tomatoes, and a few purple bells, but basically almost nothing is really ripening. We have frying peppers not much under a foot long for some time now, but all still either dead green or just barely starting to faintly yellow up (much less red up).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Luckily it doesn’t get real cold here, and my “garden” is in a very protected patio. If I’m careful I can keep the Thai dragons [peppers] going all winter. Once I had a plant make it 2 years before dying off.
Good on you.
People often forget that peppers and tomatoes are perennials, not annuals.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Wow.
Maybe the best corn we have ever grown. My criterion for really good corn is that when it’s served roasted, you don’t even need (or want) butter: just the wonderful corn itself. I believe the varietal was Spring Treat (though I need to check: we might have planted some Buttergold too). That’s an early corn, since we have a short growing season, but it still gives pretty good-sized ears, and often two ears per stalk. These first two were each perfectly filled out. I just hope the rest is as good.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Sixteen Words on Orlando Carberror...
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by inthesquat on Sep 8, 2011 7:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
OT
Switching channels during halftime and Futurama episode this week, it looked like a video game from the late 80s.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LOLDRES
Throwing a fastball to Goldshit not a good idea…honestly I don’t know why I even care
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
OT
Dog stepped in gum on walk today, got stuck on the pad of her paw. Not fun, but peanut butter did the trick. Add that to the reasons you shouldn’t throw your gum out on the street or in the bushes.
Today, I saw someone throw gum into the branches of a tree.
Littering is getting creative.
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
Q. What do you get when you cross an elephants with peanut butter?
A. Either peanut butter that never forgets, or an elephant that sticks to the roof of your mouth
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
RUSSELL CROWE AS JAVERT??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
wat
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
apparently he is going to play javert in the movie version of the musical
this is awful
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
OY IM JAVEHR
MOY NAME IZ JAVEHR
I know he has his own band, but can he sing? They’re going to have to auto-tune the crap out of him.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
they should have just had philip quast play him i don’t care how old he is now
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
As long as they cast Fran Drescher as Fantine and Kim Kardashian as Cosette it should work out fine.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope the movie has more napoleonic war ruminations, it was something I felt the musical really lacked
Man, I came here like five minutes before to see if anyone mentioned that, but since nobody had I left and figured I’d check back later.
Although my question would’ve been the same as yours, I would also have included an “They are actually making a film version of the musical?!” after that.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
uuuuuugh
I don’t care what role Russell Crowe is in, he is always just the football hooligan who bumped into you and spilled your beer and is now yelling at you cause some of it got on his shirt.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow good reading here tonight
Got a little bit of Shortstops, Bochy, Sabes, Hillbillies, Prop 8, the New republic, the economy, and even A Clockwork Orange gif.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
i heard that stanley kubrick staged the moon landing
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I watched an episode of Mythbusters where they totally shot down most of the claims with regards to the photos and videos of the landing by conspiracy theorists.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 8, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Kennedy has 1 er 7 hits and 11 so's . a good game pitched and they say he is a cy young contender. on the Giants he would be called a loser
but then Kennedy also has four runs of support. Baseball isnt fair
Why can’t we score?? I just know tomorrow night we will be creamed by the disgusting Dodgers
has Velez got a hit yet?
If not I just know he’ll end up hitting a 3 run dinger off us
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
Man this makes me feel a little sad
from Baggs latest article about Huff
“If I have anything close to the season I had last year, we probably wouldn’t be sitting in this spot,” said Huff, before the Giants fell seven games behind first-place Arizona with a loss Wednesday in San Diego. “So I take a lot of blame for that. But at the same time, it’s baseball, man. Guys have bad years. We’ve had injuries and bad breaks. Certainly I could’ve played better. I just didn’t.”
I don’t root for huff to fail and it is far from him being the only problem on this team
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
I like that he is owning up to it. But that still doesn't make him easier to watch.
4-3.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 8, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
not saying it is easier to watch him
but he is not the only problem on the team cough cough tejada signing and cabrera trade cough
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Sure
But the difference between last-year-Huff and this-year-Huff is probably in the 4 win range. That’s how good he was last year and how bad he’s been this year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
According to FanGraphs it’s closer to 7
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not buying his UZR from last year
But even if you regressed that, you’re right, the difference is greater. What might have been…
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This team is really primed for next year…I hope.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
On offense . . .
. . . especially considering his play time, it’s probably about 5 wins. (I think that fielding stats can be folded five ways and put where the sun don’t shine; fielding has some significance, but I doubt current stats capture it well.)
But that’s an exaggerated way of looking at it. Comparing Huff’s reasonable expectations from career to his 2011, the difference is about 3 wins; that is still rather large, but not as catastrophically huge as 5 is. On yet another hand, though, he is scarcely the only Giant batter to have a huge off year.
We tend to forget that given enough seasons, every player is close to certain to have one extraordinarily good year and one extraordinarily bad year—after a decade or two (one has to include minor-league ball, too), a couple of each is not unlikely. Such things don’t (absent injuries or some other proximate cause) really reflect much except the truism that shit happens.
As to what might have been, what we’re really dealing with is not so much tough luck for SF (projecting to 4 wins under what their stat line deserves) as extraordinarily good luck for the Snakes, who are on course to finish a full 10 games over where their on-field performances imply they deserve to be. It’s better to be lucky than good, and—again—shit happens.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
OOOWHAAAAAAAA?!?!?!
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
theres always a small spot in my heart for teams who are not expected to do anything but prove people wrong.
But damn you D Backs….stop being so good!
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
I haven’t even checked the score over the last couple of days. Instead, been reading Ægypt pretty devotedly (thanks owlcroft!). I now know what a machicolation is. Tonight has been spent trying to watch Blue Velvet. That Dennis Hopper sure is creepy.
Those are my thoughts for the day.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I get squeamish. I fear constantly for Laura Dern. Is it just me, or has Laura Dern been, uh, how do I put this, mistreated in an abnormally large number of films?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Just now. Squeamish.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
i love blue velvet
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Lumberton! Land of logs, spires, and extendo cars!!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
And Roy Orbison plays 24-hours a day!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Hey, Brad Dourif was in there somewhere.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’m digging it. Feeling pretty insecure about my vocabulary, but, hey, I’ve got a Kindle! No worries!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I trust that . . .
. . . when you say “Aegypt” you refer to the tetralogy, not the individual book, because the book you want to start the series is the revised version of Aegypt titled The Solitudes (revised to better fit into the series as it developed).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Yeah, I’m just kind of plowing through ’em.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
No, I think I’m good on David Lynch for the time being.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I read Little, Big, and liked it, but I think I read it at the wrong time in my life. I need to read it again, because I think I’ll enjoy it far more now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
So Timmy Vs Kershaw
at least the frustration should only last about an 1 Hr and 40 Mins.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
Tim is like 0-4 against opponents named Clayton
/sigh
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
I hope he never faces ESPN's John Clayton
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah but John Clayton could throw a CGSHO against out lineup
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
*our lineup
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"out lineup"
actually sounds about right
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I was just thinking that
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
BREAKING: Dodgers Sign Blind Man Clayton Bigsby to 7 Year $200 Million Contract
With hopes that he will be able to dominate Tim Lincecum.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
That is the funniest comedy sketch I have ever seen
/some racist hick’s head explodes
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by Falconer88 on Sep 8, 2011 10:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Blind Melon Chitlin"
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 9, 2011 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Sigh
*Chitlin’
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 9, 2011 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Also Aaron Boone is an Idiot
@AaronBoone_ESPN said Ben Revere’s catch put Willie Mays’ catch to shame.
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
TOO LATE
But seriously you’d think espn would have hired some more intelligent comenters for baseball tonight (I don’t even watch it anymore because of the idiots saying “DOWN THA RIGHT FIELD LINE”) it’s okay if you want to draw comparisons to that play but to say it puts willies play to shame is pretty fucking stupid
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by Falconer88 on Sep 8, 2011 10:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
oh, okay, this happened two weeks ago
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, watched the real catch
That was really, really fucking good. But no. Sorry. No comparison. Willie had to make a dead sprint over an acre of territory, and then he made The Throw.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 8, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
The thing people forget about Willie’s catch is that he was, what, 475 feet away from home?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Willie Mays
Hanging his head in shame for pretending to have made a great catch for all these years. FOR SHAME! SHAME ON HIM!
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 9, 2011 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t realized that Ben Revere caught that ball with his back to home plate and then spun around threw the ball 400+ feet to prevent baserunners from scoring/advancing…
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by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions
so tallying the score
Great Catches by Ben Revere: 1
Great Catches by Willie Mays: Eleventy Billion
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Ben Revere’s route to that ball put Ben Revere to shame. If he gets a better jump and takes a better route, he gets to stand there and wait for the ball.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
…
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
From McFacebook
I would think a me Amanda Bynes blown would shock the conscience. But I have faith in this team and this club.
???
What is this I don't even
Seriously what the fuck are they talking about I have no clue
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by Falconer88 on Sep 8, 2011 10:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is there a missing word somewhere?
Was this the result of a McMadLib?
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 8, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Must have meant Armando Benetez
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions
With the first pick in the 2005 National Football League draft....
the San Francisco 49’ers select…..Alex Smith
Doh
For the weekend Bochy
Just get the best damn players out there and beat the Dodgers period.
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
Two Evenly-Matched Teams Going At It
Who’s ready for Dodgers-Giants?
Did anyone catch the Packers/Saints game on the radio?
There was an awful lot of random Reggie Bush bashing.
Kickham where it hurts
John Mayberry likes you. Do you like him? Check yes or no.
If the e-mail quoted in the article is any indication, the agent wasn’t too happy in the role of pseudo-Cupid:
“I hate to even be sending you this e-mail, and I’m quite embarrassed to say the least, but we have a young client on the Philadelphia Phillies who asked us if we knew any agents at Innovative Artists and could connect him to Antoinette Nikprelaj.
“I know you’re not a dating or set-up service, but John Mayberry Jr. (Phillies OF) would love to meet Antoinette or invite her to a baseball game sometime. Would this be possible?”
A bio of Mayberry, in which his Stanford education featured highly, was reportedly also sent to Innovative Artists.
No word on how — or if — the agent’s inquiry was received, but looks like it may be a moot point, anyway. Seems the lovely Ms. Nikprelaj is married with a daughter. Maybe she has a single sister?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
LOL at the email
Here’s a bio of John to give you some more info on him (he’s a great guy, down-to-earth, humble, Stanford-educated, etc.)
Guess that Stanford education didn’t teach him how to use Google, where a few minutes of searching would’ve dug up interviews from months ago (back when the Pirates movie was being promoted) detailing Nikprelaj’s marriage and daughter. It even gets highlighted because of her role in the movie as a mermaid – she talks about how she, like her daughter now, wanted to be a mermaid when she was little.
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 7:21 AM PDT reply actions
Strong enough for a bear (grylls), but made for a nerd in his mother’s basement.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Who is Bear Grylls?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
My understanding is that he hosts one of those “extreme” adventure shows. Climbing mountains and such.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Ah, well then he is probably pretty smelly.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
He eats poop.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Is he survivorman? I used to make fun of my mom’s boyfriend because he said he could be survivorman. I said he (mom’s BF) was more like lying on the couch and sleeping man.
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Reclinerman
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That's my title, TYVM
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
HAHA!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Bear Grylls is awesome
He’s from Wales, ex SAS squad member and has a sick accent.
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
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He loves his vit-a-men c.
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LOL
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by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 9:22 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hello, I'm Bear Grylls!
I’ve stranded myself in the middle of the largely unexplored Desert of Misery, located somewhere in the mysterious country of Djinn. The only supplies I’ve brought are a flask full of monkey piss and a handful of obsidian. Only a mad man would venture out in to this waste without at least two handfuls of obsidian.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Isn’t there a camera crew there? Those kind of shows always seem like such a farce to me. There’s no way the guy is in any real danger.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Of course it is. I just love his overdramatic descriptions. And how he explains how idiotic and dangerous his every activity is. “Only a fool would plunge himself in to this river without a wetsuit. I AM NOW GOING IN TO THE RIVER.”
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
He purposely does dangerous things
to show how to get out of the situation, they tell you at the beginning of the show.
HEA THE REAL DEAL GUYZ.
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So, lets review
You believe that some obviously fake adventure show is real but that the moon landing was fake.
It’s probably way more fun in your reality. I may convert.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I never stated my belief on anything
I just brought up some interesting talking points.
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:31 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL WUT?
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At least I thought it was interesting.
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:39 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You never stated your belief?
I think you should check your sig.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m lol’ing for reals.
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I put that up the other day lol
after the Van Allen quote owned me
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And I think the camera crew is one or two guys
There’s an episode where he climbs down a giant water hole (He’d die if he fell down) on his way back up when he nearly reached the top he lost his footing and almost fell. The guy filming him helped him up and they didn’t edit it or anything so I’m pretty sure he’s legit.
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:30 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
he did get busted for staying in a hotel when they shot the show in Yosemite. Still, he does show you some cool stuff and he does have an accent.
WWRWD?
Ooo I never knew he got caught in a hotel lol
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by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
if that dude
is supporting a camera crew in the wild with his pocket lint and a rusty screwdriver, that’s damned impressive.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
They probably all have their own food
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m Bear Grylls, and I am LARPing Diablo II. If you have a problem with that, allow me to show you my Great Cleave.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 9, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Even though I have no idea who this person is
I bet Bear Grylls believes that man landed on the moon.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
And then he’d show you how to survive there using the left behind flag and living off moon cheese.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Bug eater.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
INSECT INGESTER
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GRASSHOPPER GOBBLER
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CRICKET CONSUMER
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ladybug Licker
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 9, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
My only comment about this thread.
Stop trying to make Pablo catching happen. Pablo catching is never going to happen!
/Regina George’d
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Pablo catching is so fetch!
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She is very attractive.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions
She’s fake-looking, to me.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
BUT THE ARGYLE!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
PLASTIC
She’s good looking but she is no Rachel McAdams.
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Please erase this from existence.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
lol what the hell
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Lacey Chabert is the definition of a cutie ..............
she was also the voice of Eliza Thornberry from “The Wild Thornberrys”.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
2011 Giants Baseball: Together we're bruised, broken, and battered.
"SJ Coffee Shop Cited for Nude Waitresses"
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/SJ-Coffee-Shops-Cited-for-Nude-Waitressing-129406133.html
why am I always last to hear about these establishments?
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
The Mercury News did a write up on this months ago. The cops’ response was “We’re too busy chasing gangs to worry about naked waitresses.” Like the 10 minutes it took to go in and look would really be that difficult.
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Yeah, like a SJ cop can eat donuts and stare at boobs in 10 minutes.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I’m no police apologist but I think they get a bad rep for the donut thing. I mean, donuts are fucking awesome.
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So are boobs
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy crap, donuts ARE cake. That adds a new wrinkle to the debate.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
how about a bacon donut? .........
…….. mmmmmmm ……..
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
2011 Giants Baseball: Together we're bruised, broken, and battered.
Raley Field in Sac has a donut burger.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
yes they do ........
yes they do.
i feel my arteries clogging just by looking at it …….. but i bet they taste amazing.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
2011 Giants Baseball: Together we're bruised, broken, and battered.
Eew, they sound gross to me.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
wat
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL!
i love how all the patrons standing in line are skinny. where is this place?
/adds heart attack cafe to bucket list.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
2011 Giants Baseball: Together we're bruised, broken, and battered.
Deep fried butter??!! 0__o
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I’m glad we have you to rely on for this kind of free medical advice. ;-)
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
deep fried butter? O_O
I just threw up in my mouth a little
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Does it still have that fried buttery goodness the second time?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Stomach butter > lung butter?
Discuss.
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Deep fried lung butter is a delicacy in some countries.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I prefer a bacon maple bar.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Psycho Donuts in SJ has bacon donuts. They’re incredible.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
They’re too busy to find real criminals because they’re citing me for parking and citing topless waitresses. While I might be angry enough to throw a glass bottle at your head, I won’t rob, stab, shoot, or rape you.
So clearly, SJPD is doing the right thing.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Parking topless is pretty distracting.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I think very little parking enforcement is done by SJPD, but personally, I’d prefer sighting topless waitresses.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
The more they sight topless waitresses, the more time they spend away from me. All the better.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL JCT
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s funny, I would hope for just the opposite. Preferably at the same time.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because those are two of the least likely actors to be starring in a movie together.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 9, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
it's creepy because Cage was almost cast as Superman ........
think about it. ……. OH! ……. and he named his son Kal-El (Superman’s Kryptonian name).
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Because
it looks like Kidman’s holding Cage’s severed head, a la Salome and John the Baptist.
Also, because it stars Nicolas Cage.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
He looks like he is 70 years old.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Cage’s dome looks downright Bochy-esque in that.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, that is a serious bummer.
The Squirrels get to play all the playoff games at home now, though.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
And I was complaining this morning about cleaning the oven, what a mess that’d be to clean up. Gee, I hope they had time to move a lot of their equipment out.
I know. :( At least it’s the end of the season, so they have the off season to clean up. I feel really bad for the whole organization, though.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
The river here is almost all of the way back in it’s banks. Many of the flooded areas are complete eff’d as far as grass, trees, etc… plus there is a bunch of sediment. Based on what I’ve seen here it will take quite a bit of work there (and that’s just the field).
Of course sitting in water like that can cause all kinds of damage to the building.
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I wonder if they’ll even be able to use it next year.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
OT Anyone else affected by the socal power outage?
We played monopoly by candle light last night. Crazy groups of kids got drunk and loud and were wandering the streets.
I read that
as “social power outage”. So bonding! So neighborly! I want one.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
Ha. I initially read it the same way. I was wondering what new thing Facebook or Google+ had come up with.
by non sequitur on Sep 9, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
It was actually a pretty social event
Neighbors hung out together on sidewalks\patios. People roaming the streets.
by Myemail21479 on Sep 9, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
what's this nonsense
about a chance of rain tonight? Thunderstorms? It’s foggy as heck here now, I can’t see us getting T-storms but maybe you guys will.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like a bad set of conditions for the foothills/mountains: hot dry winds, dry lightning strikes and dead September brush.
It’s really hot here, but it’s all humidity. Today before the downpour came it was 91. And it’s still insanely hot. It’s the one thing I really don’t like about the DR.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I bleed black and orange.
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i bleed orange i bleed orange go giants go giants
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John Sickels of minorleagueball is reviewing the Scottsdale Scorpions roster today and had this to say about Panik:
Joe Panik, SS, Giants: Age 20, drafted in first round out of St. John’s this year, hit .341/.401/.467 with 13 steals in successful professional debut in the Northwest League, and could begin 2012 as high as Double-A. This is a good showcase to see how rapidly he adapts to better competition.
Is there really a chance he skips Hi-A? Consider that Posey was a higher draft pick and had a more polished bat coming out of college, and he still began his first full season in San Jose. Just wondering out loud…
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by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 9, 2011 9:23 AM PDT reply actions
It seems unlikely that he would skip A, given the way the Giants usually handle their prospects. Also, the Eastern League is known as a pitchers league. It might be better for him to get some time in the hitter-friendly Cal League.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
TimLaser said skip HIGH A, which I think is probably likely, right?
I mean, Brown only played like 5 games for s-k
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Whoops, no
I misread everything. Ignore.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Considering the Giants middle infield I wouldn’t be surprised.
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Actually, the other reason he would stay in SJ is that the SS position is going to be crowded at Richmond already, with both Jurica and Adrianza vying for that spot.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
That makes sense. I was thinking in terms of the big club only. Is Panic considered a higher prospect than either of those guys?
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*Panik
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As with everything, it depends on the person making the list. He’s probably higher than Jurica, but not higher than Adrianza.
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by kdl on Sep 9, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
EVERYONE PANIK
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Panik will be in SJ to start the year. I think the Giants like having there top prospects close to home so the MLB team coaches/scouts can watch/work with them.
Which I think will be especially important with Panik as there is some debate as to whether or not he is a SS or 2B.This is how I think it will work:
-Starts in SJ
-Scouts/coaches etc make a judgment call on if he can stick at SS or if he needs to be moved to 2B (Probably around 2B)
-If he can stay SS then he might be promoted (if he is hitting well)
-If he has to move he will stay with SJ all year and work on being a second baseman.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I really hope he starts in SJ too. I’m excited for this guy.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Also included Gary Brown in the same sentence (“headlined by three amazing outfield prospects”) as Bryce Harper and Mike Trout.
Apparently Brandon Crawford wasn’t worth a mention as an “important player to watch.” It makes me sad, but he’s probably right.
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I'm hungry.
Gonna have homemade machaca beef chimi for lunch.
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i know ..........
i feel your pain. yesterday, i was so excited football was back, then Maroon (more like Moron) 5 came on stage and started performing. i was like ……… what the fuck is this shit?!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
The Bench (safe and secure with New York Life)
Bench: “Hey Aubrey! Grab some pine, meat.”
Huff Daddy: “Who said that? God, is that you?”
Bench: “No, dumbass. It’s me, the Bench. Get over here and get on top of me. But first, put on that special thong I like.”
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 9, 2011 9:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
My lineup for the next week
Christian CF
Keppinger 2B
Sandoval 3B
Beltran RF
Pill 1B
Belt LF
Crawford SS
Sanchez C
My never gonna happen lineup for the last 3 days of the season
Brown CF
Adrianza SS
Sandoval 3B
Pill 1B
Belt LF
Sanchez C
Kieshnick RF
Cavan 2B
Let the flaming begin!
; )
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I don’t really see the point of Justin Christian right now.
Then again, whatever.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He looks like a million bucks. To the Giants, that is, in the form of not being Torres’ arbitration award.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be a bushel of straws on my back.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I, too, would feel most camel-like if this comes to pass.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
/starts sharpening pitchfork
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I know Torres is well-liked but I just can’t see him coming back
If he doesn’t come back, I wonder what the Giant’s back-up plan will be…
Putting my reality hat on I guess it would be the oldest center fielder they can find on the free-agent market.
So who knows why they’re playing Christian….it’s possible the Giants just don’t give a fuck at this point.
I don’t see any good reason not to bring him back. He’s under control. He won’t cost much in arb, especially after this season. And without him, the team has Schierholtz and a converted first baseman in the outfield. That’s it.
It would be a terrible decision to let him go, especially with the chance that he regresses toward his 2009/2010 offensive numbers.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess you’re right….we don’t have any ML ready center-fielders and the free agent market is slim pickings…
And he’d be cheap, which would allow us some more flexibility to sign someone else
Yeah, keeping Torres still leaves us with a fourth and fifth outfielder to find. Plenty of room there to bring in somebody interesting.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Have the Giants tipped their hand at all in regards to bringing Torres back or not?
I’ll say this, whomever they get to play center field next year is not long for the position with Gary Brown looming.
As far as I know, Schulman’s hints are all there is.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
"Terrible" is a gross understatement.
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Orlando Cabrera is BAD!
HOW BAD IS HE???
So bad that Grant writing about him isn’t funny. At All.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
Eight Hundred Words on Cabrera and a bitch ain’t one?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Now, I could use this carton of sour cream that had an expiration date of 7/01/11 (Cabrera), thus guaranteeing that I’ll get horribly sick and perhaps die, or I could use the sour cream that doesn’t have an expiration date on it (Crawford). Y’know, roll the dice a bit. Might die but then again there’s that chance that it will actually be useful sour cream and not moldy crap (again, Cabrera).
eh
sour cream is already sour. If it’s not green or pink or something, it’s fine.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm just sayin'
sour patch kids are green and pink and they’re fine
It’s like: Yuck, this blue cheese has bacteria on it!
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I mean, the non-organic stuff like buttermilk and sour cream keeps FOR EVER nowadays. And I think the organics are even radiated or something, they last a long time too.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I know
just a little dairy product helpful hint.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
No, seriously
Cabrera sucks, you see, thus making him the equivalent of spoiled dairy product…whereas Crawf…
Oh, never mind. You elitists and your never-expiring sour cream and blue cheese. Sheesh.
So after yesterday's lizard adventure, I've been reluctant to let the cat outside today.
Does that make me a bad person?
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This is how your cat feels right now
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It’s even funnier in slow motion. With the cat leaping at the kid. Hahahaha.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit LOL!
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Hahaha. I swear, all falls happen in super slow-mo. About a month ago I was at a bagel shop with the BF sitting at an outdoor table. He left for about a minute to get our coffee and I felt my chair start to tip to the right. I tried to catch myself on the table, but I kept falling. And then I hit the ground. It felt like it took about 5 minutes from the first chair tip to hitting the ground. And then my BF shows up while I’m on the ground. lol me
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Were people slow-motion laughing and pointing at you?
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
No but an old man showed up to ask if I was okay. I’m pretty sure he moved in slow-mo.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 9, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I missed that, did your cat bring you a lizard, or just lizard breath?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
A not-dead lizard. Which he brought into the house. And dropped. Then caught. Then dropped. Then it hid under the coffee table. Then the cat caught it again. Then dropped it. Then caught it again. He finally accidentally killed it so I could scoop it up and toss it out. This took up nearly an hour.
In the meantime there was some freak out on my part. I do not wish to repeat it.
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Some years ago, a cat of mine brought a field mouse inside. She dropped it, batted it around, then let it scurry beneath the couch. So I hoisted the couch off the ground, and the scurried instead beneath the mahogany coffee table. I secured the couch from mouse intrusion and then hoisted up the coffee table. It ran off again…. To make a long story short, I basically mouse proofed every possible escape route in the house, even managed to boot the critter outside for a brief moment before it inexplicably darted back in before I could close the door. I tried to convince the cat to finish the thing off, but kitty was just not interested. Finally, the mouse was wounded to the point that I could capture it in a Tupperware container and hurl it into the wild.
That took a long time.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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That describes much of my morning.
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Whenever our cats caught lizards and started to eat them, they’d always end up puking. Something toxic in there for kitty kats, one presumes.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
Or that damn tail won’t stop wiggling in there.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
If you don’t let your cat out it is going to poop in your house.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
He already does that. In his box (in your face, howie-with-the-cat-who-poops-over-the-edge-of-the-box!).
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My wife likes to foster and find homes for cats. We had one that like to crap in the bathtub (not the one we use thank god)
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 9, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
/Howie’s cat craps over the edge of the bathtub
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s ok though, right? Because cat’s bury their shit. Or at least that’s what cat owners tell me when I complain about cats crapping all over the world and cat owners never picking it up.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Belt starting tonight?
I say theres a good chance of it. He’s faced him twice already this season so theres a Bork track record. He hasnt started since before the Padres series.
Starting Belt against Kershaw is the perfect way to make him look bad. “See?! I knew this kid couldn’t make contact.”
That is cray-z.
Well he did start all righties against a guy who pitches crappy to lefties last week, so why not start both Brandons, with Torres in CF and Frodo at 2B.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I hate Bochy as much as anybody here
But even I have to admit that Bochy is not the difference between 7 games back and 1st place. Lineups and management probably cost us 2-3 wins this year, the rest is on the hitters for simply not hitting, and random terrible luck.
It’s just that his lineup decisions is the only controllable part of the Giants demise, and we are not wrong to focus on it. At the same time, we (myself included) need to acknowledge that there are other factors that contributed to the Giants being out of the race in September.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well, yeah
but what else can you bitch about? Cousins is so June.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Your calculations?
Seven wins is roughly 70 runs, less than half a run a game average. I don’t know what Bochy has cost us, because I’m far too lazy to do the work involved in exact checking, but believe me something in that range is perfectly plausible.
His maladroit lineup-making is by no means all of it. Another factor is his consistent inability to determine when a starting pitcher is going sour; that “Well, he was throwin’ real good up till then” crap gets awfully tiresome. And, just a low-hanging fruit, Javy Lopez, an ostentatiously LOOGY pitcher, has faced more RHB than Sergio Romo.
Yes, indeed, seven extra losses’ worth of mismanagement is entirely plausible.
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Lefty lineup
CF Christian
2B Keppinger
RF Beltran
1B Pill
3B DeRosa
LF Ross
SS Cabrera
C Whiteside
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Oh shit, thats right. No Pablo, unless he can hit from the right side.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 9, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
He had a single from the right side the other day
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by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Bork Lineup Theory
If you ain’t going gray….you ain’t gonna play
BREAKING NEWS!
Bochy found out how old I am and decided to put me in the lineup tonight!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 10:22 AM PDT reply actions
YOU ARE ORLANDO CABRERA?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I’d at least enjoy rooting for Lars to do well. I’m afraid if Cabrera does well they will sign him for next year. Hell, I’m afraid if Cabrera doesn’t do well they will sign him for next year. I’m afraid of Orlando Cabrera.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm afraid of Americans
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Dayum
“Kimura has outlived 2 of his children and 1 grandson.”
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 11:02 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So ESPN
Extended NFL live on gamedays from 2 hours to 3 hours.
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 10:53 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
An extra hour I won't watch
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
What would they fill it with?
An extra hour to throttle some east coast bias?
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 11:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What it comes down to...
is “we’re in this thing”. As long as the Giants are technically still in the race, Belt wont play much unless he produces right away. Even Pill wont play unless he stays hot. The smart thing to do would be to dump everyone who wont be coming back next season in favor of those that will. But Sabean and Bochy need to keep up appearances. Sabean, because of his bad trades and signings, and because tickets and merchandise still need to be sold. Bochy, because he needs to motivate his players to play hard to win as many games as possible. Bochy also needs to keep the veterans who will become free agents after the season happy. Ross needs to play to try and get the most he can from potential suitors. I think the same thing goes for Cabrera as well. As long as you keep him on the team, you need to keep him happy. With Nate hurt and Huff ready to play whenever Pill comes back down to earth, its probably Ross whos blocking Belt in left field right now.
I don’t feel like the team should be under any obligation to keep Cabrera happy.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Take it one step further
I don’t feel like the team should be under any obligation to keep Cabrera.
All aboard the DFA train.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Chronicle article today
Burrell signed for $1 million this year and could do so again. On the other hand, he might have to retire because of a rare and debilitating foot injury that one doctor told him occurs mostly in car accidents.
“I’m one of those guys, I’ll play until they tell me I can’t,” Burrell said. “I just enjoy it so much. That being said, I’ve got some limitations with this, and I don’t know if I’ll be allowed to play with this foot thing.”
I’m kind of curious what the injury exactly is, although it seems moot because he can’t play.
a rare and debilitating foot injury that one doctor told him occurs mostly in car accidents
Only on the Giants.
The funny part of this is
that the Giants have been more of a train wreck than a car accident.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
…Burrell, who is likely at the end of his career because of a chronic foot injury.
I guess Baggs has a good idea of whats going to happen.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 9, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Since I am no longer banned...
The Giants are still playing to 45,000 fans, and the Dbacks who are playing outstanding ball still can’t get more that 22,000 to attend. I even like the Padres and feel sorry for them since we got Towers and they got Josh Byrnes and Hinch.
Not everyone has bought into the Dbacks team, Most of the players out there were not even here at spring training. It will take time for the fans to come back after three years of incompetent ball.
I like what Towes has done, especially with the pitching. I like Montero, Parra and Roberts, heck I respect Upton more since he stood up for himself and got ejected. Towers will pull the trigger on bad players. I also notice the ad for playoff tickets has Gibson’s face on it. This take a lot of pressure off Upton. I will buy into his team without stars concept.
One can only wonder what it would be like if the Giants had Barry Zito, Jonathan Sanchez, Brian Wilson, Nate Schierholtz, Freddy Sanchez and most of all Buster Posey off the DL.
I would rather the DBacks have Zito.
That being said, AZ fans are terrible. They couldn’t hardly sell out NLCS games in 2007. Plus now that football has started nobody there cares. I lived in Phoenix for 9 years and know that there are certainly die hard fans (Rally Sally, Flag Lady, etc…) but the fan base in general sucks.
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But it is more dramatic for him to say that he was!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 9, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
/considers starting all my posts in similar ways
Now that I’m back from the dead
Now that I’ve cured cancer
Now that I’ve seen the inside of your bedroom
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I seem to remember some inflammatory stuff and then you proudly stating that you had “taken care of it”. I think I made some comment about you coming out of the gas chamber…
Confusing a warning with a ban is known as ‘pulling a wilriv’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Multiple Yemen civilians killed
in US drone attacks.
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 9, 2011 11:54 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
OT: Anyone else hear Gary Radnich this am saying how he basically can't stand Lee Hammer?
I find the whole soap opera going on over there rather entertaining…
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Well, if Gary Radnich can’t stand Lee Hammer, Lee must be doing something right.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 9, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
wat
I imagine he was kidding, but who knows.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 9, 2011 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like everyone at McC hates Radnich. Is he any more dickish than most sports-talk hosts? I actually find him kind of self-effacing and funny— he does have an ego, but I don’t think he takes himself (or sports) too seriously. Now Fitzgerald, Bruce… those guys bother the hell out of me. You get the sense that they bronze their bowel movements.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
I think he’s a buffoon, and a good portion of the little I’ve experienced him has consisted of thinly veiled self-righteousness about his right to be sexist on air.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah he's an idiot
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
I do get a bit of that sexist vibe from him, true. Bruno was disgusting in that aspect, imo. I was glad to see his ass gone.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
The real question is…which radio host isn’t disliked by McCoven faithful?
I’m guessing Fitz isn’t too popular….his ego is Texas-sized
Eric Byrnes is annoying
I don’t mind Ralph and Tommy
Terry Gross?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Art Bell!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 9, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of people like the morning guys, and I think most are happy with Tolbert.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
And I think everybody finds Lurie harmless. Woodson, I think, is popular, too.
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by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Mathis is interesting.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I enjoy listening to Lurie
He seems to be more at ease than most…just enjoying himself and talking baseball
I would love to sit at a bar and talk Giants history with Lurie. I think it would be incredibly frustrating to talk to him about the current roster, though.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 9, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Took me awhile
to warm up to his slowy, kindly-uncle style. Now I like him. He’s almost comforting; and he’s almost always on air.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
As soon as I hear Tolbert's voice
off goes the radio
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I like Fitz
he’s not so bad play-by-playing Warriors games
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by slackersphere17 on Sep 9, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Choppin' Broccoli
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/9/9/2415163/giants-dodgers-series-preview
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
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