Post-game thread: Matt Cain should not be surprised at this point
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 7, 2011 6:37 PM PDT
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PrintSo it's hard to draw up a more frustrating game than that. I guess there could have been an Armando Benitez blown save mixed in there. But today was the basic template. Cain pitches well, gives up a two-out hit. Giants hit poorly, don't get a two-out hit. Mix in an error from a completely unecessary player to put the game out of reach, a double play in the ninth inning on a blown call, and the Giants just gave the ultimate Cain performance. The Platonic ideal. So perfect.
That's the 11th time in his career that Cain has given up two runs or fewer, pitched seven innings or more, and got a loss. He just passed Aaron Harang on that particular career leaderboard. Symmetry! Cain is now 68-72 for his career. Maybe one of these days he'll get over the hump and become an above-average pitcher.
But, hey, at least there's Brett Pill. He homered again, and he also roped a solid single to left field. Well, it looks like the first base dillema has been solved! Maybe if they draft a kid out of high school next year, he'll be ready to start when Pill leaves as a free agent in six years. Keep that cycle of talent coming. And as long as we're talking about symmetry ...
Brett Pill joined John Bowker (in 2008) as the only Giants to homer in each of his first two major league games.less than a minute ago via web 
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It's proof that the universe has a sense of humor. The guy whom scouts and stats love is benched for the guy whom scouts and stats don't care for. This player then hits two home runs in his first two games, which evokes the name of a guy that the stats loved but the scouts didn't, and who is often used as an example on why we should just forget about the guy whom scouts and stats love. Got that? Probably not. I could explain it better if I weren't so annoyed.
Pillapalooza will pass. But it might not pass before the season ends, which will muddle things next year. At least Bowker shape-shifted back into his natural form in the middle of a season.
An aside: Did you know that Brett Pill just one year younger than John Bowker? He's closer in age to Cody Ross than Brandon Belt. But he's our starting first baseman for the rest of the year, so let's look for some positive factoids next time!
Look, I don't know if Brandon Belt thinks that Mussolini had some really neat ideas, and I don't know if Pill is a cool guy to play Madden with if he's not helping at the soup kitchen. When I root for one over the other, it's because I think that one has a better chance to help the Giants in the present and future, not because I like one as a person but not the other. If I'm wrong, I'll be thrilled. Thrilled. I love being wrong if it means the Giants win more. And I'm wrong often, so here's hoping that however the Giants move forward, it's the right move.
But it's hard not to get a little sad at how this season has gone for one of the better prospects the Giants have had in a couple of decades. It's hard to watch a manager whom I want to like, whom I want to succeed, continually make weird lineup decisions. And it's going to be hard to watch Pill start more games than Belt for the rest of the season. When Pill gets hits from here on out, it will be like eating ice cream for dinner. It'll be far tastier than a casserole, but you know it's not going to be good for you later.
I'm just hoping that I'm not sitting around with a stomachache later, bemoaning the steak that the Giants left on the counter.
Also, it's dinner time.
Also, if Brett Pill were an ice cream flavor, what do you think he'd be? I'm guessing pistachio.
I think some food will help us all forget this wretched game known as baseball.
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I FUCKING HATE ORLANDO CABRERA SO MUCH
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 7, 2011 6:37 PM PDT reply actions 27 recs
ACAFUCKINGDEMIC
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
it's been five minutes
this should be green.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Bruce Bochy doesn’t hate him.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Not fair.
Cabrera is what he is, and does what he can, and it’s not his fault if that isn’t much. He did not offer himself a contract, and—with an apparent modest exception—he does not make out the lineup card.
It is the job of a GM to supply his field manager with useful players, and of a field manager to know which players he has been supplied with are useful and which are not.
None of that is rocket surgery.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
by owlcroft on Sep 7, 2011 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
i recall cabrera
requesting that he bat lead off to bochy so he could get more at bats?
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 7, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe that was the exception to which he referred.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
To be fair, that’s kind of a big exception.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don’t know. You feel like you’re maybe going either way, you make one last push and lobby for a chance to get it right. Unfortunately your manager is a guy who likes that kind of heart and is going to reward it even when you screw up.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
There I go spinning a narrative. I swore I was going to stay away from that.
My bad.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Well, there’s obviously huge selection bias. People who don’t believe they’re the best don’t make it to the majors. But man, can’t you see that you’re past your prime and that maybe there’s a better candidate to lead off? /thinks of Rowand as well
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I honestly don’t think anyone wants to see that.
It’s not the player’s responsibility to determine who’s up for the job; it’s the manager’s.
The player’s job is to give it their best effort, whatever that is.
Lobbying for a start is one thing. Saying, “No, I’m basically a worst-case scenario option.”
There are, of course, instances of exceptional awareness and conscience, but that’s precisely what they are.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
…option" is another.
is what that should have been.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Well, I’m not saying that he should say, “you guys should DFA me!” That’s obviously against his self-interest. But wanting to bat leadoff is also against his best interests in as much as it hurts the team’s ability to win.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I can’t disagree with that.
But, returning to the top,
It doesn’t make me mad at him.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Well, I’m not saying that he should say, “you guys should DFA me!” That’s obviously against his self-interest. But wanting to bat leadoff is also against his best interests in as much as it hurts the team’s ability to win.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Well, I’m not saying that he should say, "you guys should DFA me!" That’s obviously against his self-interest. But wanting to bat leadoff is also against his best interests in as much as it hurts the team’s ability to win.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
also, I remember O-cab saying
how glad he was to be back playing shortstop. Why? so you can embarrass yourself into retirement? Have some fucking pride and just please go away.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
More fun than being a brain scientist.
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BOCHY IS A GREAT MANAGER
#notreally
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
People posting here think so: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?entry_id=97044
I don’t know if you read my reply to you in the last thread but I hate Bruce Bochy as manager.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ya I saw it
My bad. The way you posted it was a bit confusing
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
These are just senior citizens, hockey fans or other humanoids with large heads
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now. Don’t lump hockey fans in with all of that.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
SO MUCH THIS
When Pill gets hits from here on out, it will be like eating ice cream for dinner. It’ll be far tastier than a casserole, but you know it’s not going to be good for you la
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
FUCK BRUCE BOCHY
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LOL Crawford
Can’t even get a late inning defensive replacement role
Since it’s very warm here, and everyone, including the cat is depressed [even before the Giants game] we had pizza for dinner.
And butterfinger ice cream is for dessert.
It’s chilly now, what with the fog and all. /runs
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
ah
just schedule a meeting down here and I’ll buy you a nice cooling cider!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
gee Merope
I bet you have fond memories of teaching highly focused children in those kind of optimal conditions.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
70 degrees here... TOO HOT
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Ours looks somewhat similar. It’s 86 right now
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Sep 7, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Brett Pill!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
lolbbrate
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Also
The PCL batted .286/.359/.448 in 2011.
The PCL batted .271/.341/.416 in 2006.
Cruz and Pill have pretty much nothing in common.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Yeah I know, Cruz stikes out much more than Pill does.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Turns out walks and power trump strikeouts
Who would have guessed?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Well, Cruz’s walks and slugging at Pills age werent anything better.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, yes they were
Quite a bit better. What numbers are you looking at?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Baseball Reference.
It says he split time in between AAA and Texas. SSS for Oklahoma. Thats why I picked 2006 instead to compare basic offensive stat lines.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Brett Pill had a 105 wRC+ in AAA this year. He was 5% better than a league average hitter, and he was a fucking first baseman. In AAA.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Hitters league
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wRC+ adjusts based on league averages.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
oops my bad
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by Gobroks on Sep 7, 2011 8:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The numbers up there that you posted?
How can you look at those and actually think they are comparable? Especially considering the league contexts that you now know about?
Cruz walked 9.9% of the time, Pill 4.3%.
Cruz had an ISO of .226, Pill had .218 (but the league ISO was .145 vs .162 so Cruz beat the league by .080 and Pill beat the league by .056).
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I didnt go to fangraphs and look that far into it. Pill have a hundred more PA than Cruz.
I wasnt considering league averages and parks and so fourth. I was just looking at basic totals and percentages.
I did know Pills walk rate was lower than you’d like but Cruz is known to be good with that.
From what I’ve seen so far, I dont think Pill lacks for power thats for sure. I know Cruz is good with going the other way. I know hes also good on defense playing right field.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasnt considering league averages and parks and so fourth. I was just looking at basic totals and percentages.
These are really important things to consider. They can mean everything.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Context is so important. Especially in the minors.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Case in point: Rockies catching prospect Jordan Pacheco
He hit .278/.343/.377 this year. While that’s nothing to write home about, it seems fine until you realize that it was in Colorado Springs, which hit .305/.366/.489 as a team. I can’t say for sure, but I suspect that Satchel Price made this mistake in regard to him today in a piece on Beyond the Box Score.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Yeah, I know. I was setting myself up.
Although, I just looked at John Bowkers stats from 2009 and they seem to dwarf both Cruz(2006) and Pill(2010). I dont think a comparison to Pill can really be done. Who has put up numbers just above league average and become a success in the bigs?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
As a 1B?
I’d guess almost no one.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
LOL So its safe to assume everyone who consults advanced stats to evaluate Pill is absolutely certain of his eventual failure to stick in the bigs as an everyday first baseman.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
But we’re pretty certain of it. The 95% confidence interval has him never doing anything good.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He has done something good. A couple things, actually. However, I would say with 95% confidence that his overall production will be nondescript at best.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
How far above average was JT Snow?
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
JT Snow had a AAA BB rate equal to his K rate
And put up .313 /.395 /.474 in AAA as a 24yr old while the league put up 258 /.327 /.384.
Sundrendy!
Bochy
Has always let vets run the clubhouse for him. He in turn lets the vets have a lot of sway in who and who doesn’t play. That’s why he Towers and Alderson got fed up with the Castilla situation when he finally challenged them with “If you don’t want me to play him than trade him”. And they did. And he ended up as the Giants manager within a couple of months.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Sep 7, 2011 6:46 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Here it is. I have a long memory. Bochy was given a two year extension mid-season 2005. Pads won the division in 2006. They let him know in no uncertain terms that he was welcome to interview for the Giants job.
And the rest of the Vet Grittiness is history.
Rec'd for accuracy
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 7, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps the same way with Roawnd & Tejada.
Sabes: Look, Boch, we got you an Xbox with some new, cool games.
Bochy: grmmlsnerkhmmlgrmmlsnerk…
Sabes: No, seriously, put down the Atari and look at these new , shiny toys.
Bochy: No. This Pong is about the best thing ever. I knows it in my gut. That newfangled stuff is too confusing.
Sabes: …
Bochy: Look at that! When you shoot the invisible tank it becomes un-invisible!
They already DFAed people. They think they aren't allowed to do it again
plus they traded for him, so they have to keep playing him to rationalize that trade
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
that's pretty much it
if ownership thinks they don’t play with the toys they bought for them, they won’t get any more toys.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
"Fun" Fact
Orlando Cabrera’s numbers since joining the Giants: .217/.232/.245
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
hey
these are markedly worse than when I posted them last week!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Correlation with a path to the playoffs
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"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Also
a .300* Fielding %
*only what it feels like
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Sep 7, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Others who could play instead
Mike Fontenot: .222/.302/.359
Brandon Crawford: .192/.276/.263
and one guy who was released: .239/.270/.326
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
nice
also an answer for the question “how can it get worse?”. It can alwas get worse.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yesh
Miguel Tejada has played BETTER than Orlando Cabrera this season.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
yes, but
there is a difference between fresh suckage and stale suckage.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Fontenot
He went 1-3 with a walk and a nice defensive play.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha. This is funny because:
a few days ago I heard on a radio broadcast that Rowand was hitting like .340 this season as a pinch hitter and I said to myself, "well, I’ll be damned Rowand is finally being at least slightly useful. "
Needless to say, that turned out to be the last game before Rowand was released.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Sep 7, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand
the poopstance that launched a thousand microsplits.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
But you said fun fact? Oh, but you put the fun in quotation marks.
Schulman?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I were the opposing pitcher during every Matt Cain start
I’d be a sure-fire Hall of Famer, despite my 45-50MPH fastball. And lack of any other pitches.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
What is the exact opposite of lightning in a bottle?
"Tonight they get a ring. For the rest of their lives, if somebody asks them about that ring, they will tell them the story of 2010."-Kruk
by duckcalldan on Sep 7, 2011 6:51 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Brian Sabean and/or Bruce Bochy.
They are the condensate of all evil in the form of a roiling, greasy black cloud in a bottle.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
It’s not really Pill vs. Belt because they can both play. Belt didn’t play because he chose to play Cody Ross, who probably won’t even be here next season. I might add that Ross played despite going 0 for 5 last night. If Belt went 0 for 5, Bochy would send him back to Fresno without even bothering to check if their season was over or not.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 7, 2011 6:52 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS
At least play Belt in LF against righties and Ross against lefties for fucks sake.
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Sorry makes too much FUCKING SENSE FOR BORK TO TRY
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Why am I not surprised?
hankschulman Henry Schulman
My game story will have Bochy’s take on Cabrera: Hint, you’re going to be seeing a lot more of Cabrera.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Ya im done for this season
Fuck you Bruce Bochy
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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You know what? This. This fucking this.
I refuse to watch another Cabrera-game for the rest of the season.
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May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
What rational or irrational reason could Bochy have to play Cabrera every fucking day?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
you got it!
irrational reason
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not a big stats guy but he doesn’t even pass the eye test.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I get
playing young guys to see what they can do. I get playing the “vets” for the big pennant drive. I don’t get playing some kids, benching others, and playing the worst vets on the team.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Payback for Vinny Castilla
Boch got confused because they were in San Diego
I really just can’t understand this organization’s thinking. It’s not even about bad or good. It’s about consistency.
The Giants trade for Ryan Garko. He doesn’t do anything for a short time period, so they just don’t play him at all anymore.
The Giants trade for Orlando Cabrera. He doesn’t do anything for a short time period, so they just keep playing him. He still doesn’t do anything.
There are plenty of other comparisons as well where they do different things in every scenario.
That is cray-z.
Find consistency in ages. Garko was still under 30, wasn’t he?
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I don’t think he was overpaid, either. The Giants typical MO: If OLD + OVERPAID, play every day. If YOUNG + REASONABLE CONTRACT, bench him.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Sep 7, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fuck Hank
he is a journalist trying to sell “red ass”. And right now we are all “red ass” and he knows it gets us even angrier.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
MORE??????
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
and the cake is a lie
ZING
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This is true.
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What did Cabrera do now?
Missed the game and as I had a crappy day, I want to feel even crappier
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions
Just the typical late inning clank on the field.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 7, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
that led to a run? If so, I think we’d have to consider the fact he’s entering Benitez territory
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if a pitcher has ever thrown a glove at a player during the game because I think Cain would have been in his rights to.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
although part of it would have been because Cabrera’s a minority
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
There was a story I heard that Ty Cobb gave Ted Williams some advice on how to avoid the shift. If Ty Cobb knew Ted Williams was half Mexican, Ty Cobb would have beaten him up.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
On the other hand
Ty Cobb was the first baseball player to become rich. His investments in Coca-Cola paid out handsomely.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Ty Cobb lived in the Bay Area for awhile. I wonder what bought him out here.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
A person who was raised, lived and died in Georgia, lived in the Bay Area?
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ty Cobb’s grandson (also named Ty Cobb) lives in Atherton, CA. My younger daughter went to middle school with him.
Violently contrarian.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Grandson or great-grandson? His great-grandson would be in his 20s these days (and actually played basketball over baseball).
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Affeltd was on the mound at the time
not Cain
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 7, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain can still throw it from the dugout, though
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
i would be ok with this
accompanied by a “catch this, fucker!”
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 7, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mota v. Piazza
Probably not what you had in mind, though.
by BamaGiantsFan on Sep 7, 2011 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions
If Justin Christian is getting a look in CF because Andres Torres has been so bad, why the fuck do you pinch hit for Justin with Andres late in the game?
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
just would like to point out this bit of science
young + hitting = playing time
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I thought that youth and hitting ability were inversely proportional to playing time, or at least when Bochy is in charge.
yes
once the team has given up on the season and declared it’s Fallspring Training.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Brett Pill will become our generation's Velez.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That's harsh man
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maybe not that far but I'm not placing much hope on pill to hit well for long
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One year in the minors that looks good as long as you ignore the context. Plays very well as soon as he reaches the majors.
Apres dingers, le deluge.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I know his numbers in Fresno were only slightly above average, but why the hate?
He was the Giants only real offense today. If he’s a dud, let it play out. The Giants have nothing to lose. I guess maybe Belt will lose some time, but Ross is looking like a bench candidate right now. In the mean time, he’s producing, although Clayton Kershaw. LOL
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The hate is because the Giants are going to let him play until the end of time while Belt sits.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
doubt it
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I hope so
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I kept wondering why Todd Linden didn’t get more playing time
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There is a nonzero chance Brandon Belt is a bust
But holy shit we’re talking about Brett Pill here.
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Holy shit. You, lexluth7, Calbear49… quite a team.
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Oh come on, I highly doubt that. If Pill starts to struggle, he’ll be benched just like Belt was. Unlike Belt, Pill had to sit on the bench after first being called up. Belt will get a tone of chances to develop. In the meantime, its Pill I like watching bat.
/Belt strikes out three times (but walks once LOL)
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He’ll go 0 for 4 vs. Kershaw on Friday and will sit.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Probably. LOL
But will anyone else on the team do anything? Maybe a single for Beltran.
Lets also remember that Kershaw was beaten by the Giants earlier in the season. I think he gave up 4 earned in LA.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
also brandon belt hits 2 HR in a game
also dominated AAA at 21 yrs old when pill was 27
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You do understand the concept of sample size right?
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sure. but I also understand the reality of baseball.
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Tell me more about this reality you speak of
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Yeah, you don’t seem to understand how statistics work.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
by El Person on Sep 7, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
100 is cited as a typical minimum sample size in statistics, and Belt has 135 ab’s, striking out over 30%, batting .215
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That’s not how sample sizes work.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
by El Person on Sep 7, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Makin' stuff up
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Together we're hypothetical!
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet if each of you were to determine the appropriate sample size, there would be three different answers
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yeah all of them would be over 153
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ok, pa’s, bfd. YOU NERBS THINK THAT BASEBALL IS A COMPUTER GAME WHERE YOU LOAD THE DATA, AND THE RESULTS COME OUT THE OTHER END.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
yes, it appears that Belt will strikeout 31% of the time for the rest of his career
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
I mean, it’s true that his high strikeout rate seems legit. But really?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
That's still different than
saying it will be exactly this for the rest of his career, especially considering that he’s adjusting to the hardest league he’s faced, and his strikeout rate has never been that high in his previous, much larger sample sizes.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
And at any rate it’s hilarious that he picks the one stat that says something bad.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
hilarious?
it just proves my point about statistics (and baseball)—you can use what you want, when you want, to prove what you want to prove.
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I daresay . . .
. . . he’s one of those folk who actually believe the old canard about the statistician who drowned trying to cross a river whose average depth is two feet.
Remember: his vote in November counts as much as yours! Scary stuff.
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I don’t even get a vote until November, 2012, but point well taken.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
P. J. O'Rourke's thesis.
(“Don’t vote, it just encourages the bastards.”)
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That is true
But manipulating data to say what you want is intellectually dishonest.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
o hai there photoshop
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I didn’t manipulate data. I used the data that you proffered. Anyone projected to strikeout 30% of the time does not usually have a bright future in baseball.
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I looked it up a while ago, and there were something were 12 or 13 players this year with enough PA to qualify for the batting title with a K rate of >25%. The 5 that were above average hitters (wRC+ >100) also had an average ISO of ~.220, which is a fair bit of power. The below average hitters had ISO’s closer to league average, and their batting lines were basically Aubrey Huff, 2011 version.
So yeah, K rate that high is a huge problem unless it comes with prodigious power.
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GRAAA
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I like that on this board, someone will always get that reference and respond to it.
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it’s pretty much intrinsically linked with the 2010 run in my mind
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 7, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
This past weekend in Santa Cruz
Google “Jeff Goldblum is Watching You Poop” for the inspration.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 7, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
SNORK RABBLE RAWR
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RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
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GRIT!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
GAMERNESS IS ALL THAT MATTERS
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we live in the matrix
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There's the red pill, the blue pill
AND THE BRETT PILL!
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That remark proves DrDC's contention.
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I agree with him
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Indefinite antecedents . . .
. . . are murder on thread postings.
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Bookmark this
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/when-samples-become-reliable/
The only things that have a correlation of even 0.70 at this point are Swing %, Contact Rate, Strikeout Rate, Line Drive Rate, and Pitches/PA.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
by El Person on Sep 7, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Thank you for posting that. I’ve been wondering that myself since there’s been a lot of discussion about it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
The one thing that I would like is a table showing the plate appearances required for various confidence intervals: in other words, how many PAs would be required for Pitches/PA and the like to correlate at a level of 0.8 or 0.9 or whatever.
On the other hand, we would probably get people saying that 40 plate appearances was totally enough to evaluate this hitter because Fangraphs says it has a correlation of 0.2 with OPS or something.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
no doubt Belt will get plenty of more opportunites, but at what point in this sample size discussion determined that Todd Linden was a bust?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Todd Linden was never a bust, considering he was never good in the minor leagues. He’s as big of a bust as Brett Pill will be.
That is cray-z.
by DrDC on Sep 7, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don’t think you don’t misunderstand statistics.
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Tkanks for the link
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You’re welcome for absolutely nothing!
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I was talking about the link
lol
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Y’all can join urea washing dishes for me.
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What?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I want my damn money!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You were never promised any.
I never accepted a bet with you. We never agreed to anything. I was speaking in hypotheticals.
Thbthbthbhthbthbhtbht
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well, one of the things I admire about you is that you seem to be solidly consistent with whatever principles you hold, even if I don’t agree with them. Especially more so because you in the political realm. So your refusal to put your money where your mouth was when I challenged you bothered me.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It was a turn of phrase
Saying that “I’d accept even money bets that _” means “I think that it’s more likely than not that ______ will happen”.
You’re taking this entirely too seriously. And, for what it’s worth, if you ever come across me in real life, I’ll just give you 20$.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
/tracks IP
I’m not crazy, I promise! If I ever meet you in real life, I’ll buy you $20 worth of beer. Deal?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
That would be 2 beers at AT&T Park
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
It’s true. I’ve been trolling him hardcore. To be fair, he did boldly state that he would put money on something and then reneged.
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sigh
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
(What link?)
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This one posted by El Person
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/when-samples-become-reliable/
about what are good sample sizes
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I’m aware. Just confused as to why you were thanking me!
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I was trying to thank him
it was a reply fail sorry
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This is one epic subthread
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Note how you said MINIMUM SAMPLE SIZE
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With your logic you'd DFA or trade Jason Heyward this year
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but he did pretty well last year right out of the box
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Ohhh
So a player is allowed to have a bad full second season but Brandon Belt isn’t allowed to have a bad 1/3 of the season after being jerked around and getting injured for 6 weeks.
Got it.
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And pill is the Future 1B after 8+ at-bats
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Kevin Maas and John Bowker
a hall of famer and an all-star respectively.
Willie Mays – pile of crap.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
If Cabrera was signed through next season
you would have an easy new user name.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
8 MLB at -bats
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It's been two games
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I know I agree with you
It would just be easier if they’d play belt and pill but bork wont fucking do that, but if it comes down to pill or belt i’d rather see belt play
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Im just asking for Belt to play against righties for gods sake
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FUCKING THIS
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believe it or not, Bochy is desperately trying to keep the Giants in the race, so he’s playing anyone who looks like he’s putting the bat on the ball
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
he’ll get hot one of these days…..
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
cody ross 0-5 last night
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true, but it’s not as if the bench is teeming with hitters
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Brandon Belt is on the bench
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picking splinters out of his ass
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I don't get it Ross Was 0-5
so don’t you put belt in LF then since ross wasn’t doing anything last night
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haha
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Showing how little he understands about baseball. There is no such thing as a “hot hitter.”
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Showing how little he understands about baseball
It really is amazing how a former player and longtime manager can know less about baseball than we do.
I rhyme with freak.
It is and it isn't.
The environment is largely self-perpetuating. Especially looking a generation or two back, baseball had always held certain truths to be self-evident, and kids on sandlots knew those “truths” almost as well as professionals, because they were not terribly complex or abstract. A man who, from sandlot days on, has had those “self-evident truths” inculcated into him, and who is surrounded by men at all levels of experience believing the same things, will see every reason to believe them and few, if any, not to.
Baseball is not an experimental science (though a few isolated physical phenomena are now being studied in laboratory conditions). Proper analysis of it requires a mind accustomed to rational analysis of complex systems, and some basic math sense doesn’t hurt. Few baseball men, especially of the older generation, possess those attributes.
People made wine for millennia, but only in the last century or so have advances in biochemistry been able to improve the product materially; but they now have. The difference, I suppose, between wine-making and baseball is that biochemistry is a hard science, and that true experiments can be run.
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I wasn't sure you were talking about baseball in that 1st paragraph
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
wrong
there most certainly is such a thing as a hot hitter.
it has not been shown to have predictive value just cause he’s been hot.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
If a concept is completely meaningless, can it be said to exist at all?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
"If something is nonexistent, can a meaningful concept be formed of it?"
Certainly. Fairies at the bottom of the garden, moon-landing conspiracies, hot hitters. Easy-peasy.
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That seems different to me
RBIs aren’t useful, but they’re clearly a thing.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
kink.com
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this is the shanghaijim signal
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.
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what the fuck do you mean, meaningless?
If some hits 500 with 4 HR for a week, wouldn’t you say he’s had a hot streak?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
What you call it doesn't really affect the fact that it's probably just statistical noise.
A rose by any other name…
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
thanks for the refresher course…
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Your mom's a girl
Do you call it a "heads streak" when the coin lands that way a bunch of times in a row?
I mean, you could, I guess. You could say you had a heads streak. But why would you bother.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
please tell me how statistics work
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Sometimes random fluctuations happen because randomness is inherent in the universe.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Maybe way over here on the right isn’t the appropriate place to ask this, but isn’t it circular to think that in any given stretch a player will behave as a cumulative aggregate of his previous outcomes?
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I mean, maybe it’s reliable to think so, but it isn’t conclusive. I don’t know if it’s something that I’m missing or if it’s one of those conventions of analysis that I’m getting hung up on.
If a player is the sum of what he does, how can it in any given sequence be as simple as applying the ratio of his previous outcomes as a probability?
I think I’m just having a problem committing to the idea.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Do you have a problem . . .
. . . with the idea that the prior results of extensive coin-tossing are the best guide to the likely future results?
Also, that “in any given stretch a player will behave as a cumulative aggregate of his previous outcomes” is a qualified assertion: it depends on there being no skew factors (such as was he injured for a while then, or is he injured now?) that would make the samples incommensurable.
One such skew factor is age-related changes in ability; but practical experience teaches that at least for fairly good players (those good enough to ultimately have been everyday players for at least a decade) it’s not till age 35 or so (on average, a dangerous simplification) that their current ability is no longer very well represented by their previous results, though the difference isn’t usually substantial till late in the 30s.
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Players’ abilities do change a lot depending on context — weather, park, quality of opposition, nature of opposition (e.g., handedness). And everyone gets older, slower, smarter, etc., which changes things gradually (and sometimes suddenly). And of course each individual player’s performance record, no matter how extensive, is going to be inaccurate to some degree.
Still, what else are you going to go with? Here’s a quick and dirty but elegant study on hot streaks. Projections based on long-term past performance are consistently more accurate than those based on what a player has done lately.
To both Evan and owlcroft, since we’re all the way to the right margin now:
I see what you’re saying. I have modest reservations, but I cannot and have no real inclination to dispute that this approach is the most reliable that is available.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
No, we're not.
Do you have the “wide” setting selected? It helps a lot. (Grey box, upper right of page.)
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It makes things much more manageable.
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It really does. This is magical.
I used to have to Ctrl+ to get rid of the ads,
And then it just looked like everyone was shouting.
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GRAA
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HAMCRAKALAKA!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Mmm...ham!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
To describe the heads streak you’ve just had.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah…I thought it was pretty simple
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Your mom's a girl
OK
But it doesn’t mean anything. It just happened. Sometimes things just happen.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
and if they are recently positive or negative then they are often called ‘hot’ and ‘cold’
so, when I said that there is such a thing as describing whether or not someone has hit well but it isn’t predictive. Well, then I understand why I need to be reminded about how statistics work…
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But…..look at gambling. You play roulette or craps or whatever and for whatever reason you have “statistical noise” and win a bunch of games. Yes, yes, yes, the House Always Wins but for those series of plays, you have…a “hot hand.” So if it make sense to ride it in gambling, while fully knowing that it will end and you have to know when to stop, why doesn’t it make sense to play Cody a lot when he gets on one of his hot streaks? I’m not saying a player should start the entire season because of a “hot streak” but that if somebody looks like they’re smacking the ball around more than usual for a few days at a time, why not ride it until it ends?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Because a 12 for 20 streak is not predictive of anything
It doesn’t tell you anything about the next 20 ABs. Even after the 12 for 20 streak, the best available prediction of what the guy will do for his next 20 ABs is his career numbers, or maybe his last three or five seasons or something.
It may sound crazy, but there’s actual, bona fide academic literature on hot streaks in sports. The best you can say is that it’s hard to prove they don’t exist, but there isn’t any statistically significant evidence that they do.
I know it’s going to end, but like in gambling, it’s all about riding it out and then quitting right before you go bust. Like in basketball, if a player seems to have a hot hand, they’ll try and feed them the ball and if the coach was smart, stop feeding them the ball when they lose that hot hand.
As for whether it exists or not, what about Cody during the NLCS suddenly turning into Barry for a few days? No, I never saw him as being that good all the time (everyone pretty much said he was streaky) or expected him to be like that but it was nice when it happened
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, the thing is, no one really knows very well when exactly “bust” is with sports.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Incredible.
Really, truly incredible. Win till you’re about to lose, then stop.
My Heavens, put it in a glass case in a museum: there can scarce be its like alive elsewhere.
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So if it make sense to ride it in gambling
It doesn’t. That’s how casinos get your money back.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I'm actually soft on this
But the evidence suggests that there isn’t any increased conditional probability of a hit that comes from a player having, say, six hits in his previous ten PAs.
Of course, the failure to reject the null only means there isn’t sufficient evidence that there is an effect, not that such an effect definitively does not exist. This just happens to be a pretty tricky area of mathematics. Proving that a series is not random is difficult to do.
No
If Pill starts to struggle, he’ll be benched just like Belt was.
Eugenio Velez
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I actually liked watching Velez at times in 2009. That changed big time in 2010.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't hate Brett Pill.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
yeah
…you hate brandon crawford
lol kidding
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Just found out that it was Matt Cain's 200th start
It was also the most Matt Cain start ever
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Sep 7, 2011 7:01 PM PDT reply actions
Cained
LOL Fitting then that he loses because of a lack of run support.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I know people here say they would love to play for the Giants but as long as decisions like playing Orlando Cabrera daily happens, I would avoid wanting to play here.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This is not a good thing
I'm just a simple Giants fan trying to make my way in the universe.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Sep 7, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering free agents are veterans themselves, I bet you they love the fact that Bochy sticks with struggling veterans. That would actually be a plus when considering where to sign.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Just look at it like the Giants are becoming the Florida of baseball team’s- it’s where once good players come to retire
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Warren Spahn and Duke Snider played for the Giants at the end of their career.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson too
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Goose
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I think right now Matt Cain would probably be really high on that list
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
this is one of the reasons that I liked Dusty Baker—a lot of hitters wanted to play for that guy
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
(ignoring the fact that Dusty is a terrible manager)
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
but if you’re team is well known for having players willing to “run through walls” for their manager (something that was said a lot of Dusty’s run) , that’s worth something. Especially as a lot of his teams were seen by “the experts” as always playing over their heads
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s nice, but it doesn’t mean much when your manager is terrible.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Joe Maddon. Davey Johnson, probably.
But remember this because it’s very important: this is not a skill graded on a curve. Managing a mjor-league ball club can be compared with a competition to design a major suspension bridge: it’s not good enough to make somewhat fewer mistakes than the other competitors—you have to get it right or the bridge collapses.
That there are at any given moment very few (if any) managers who, analytically (Maddon, Johnson) or by sound instincts (Weaver), can do their jobs well does not mean that all the rest are fairly ok: it means that all the rest are bad, and only the exact degree of badness is up for debate. Is Bochy less terrible than, say, Ron Washington? Who the fuck that is intereseted in the fortunes of either team cares? No sane observer would want either.
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considering the history of the Rangers franchise, Ron Washington is looking pretty damn good: Wash
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Kinda like Bochy did last year?
I still remember fondly Sparky Anderson telling a few of us reporter guys, with his trademark smile and genuine humility, how smart a good team makes a manager.
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well, if a managers job is to win, and they do win, then what other metric is more relevant?
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Winning at craps . . .
. . . if you have made bad bets throughout but been saved by your guardian angel, does not transform those dumbass bets into wise moves.
Wrong decisions often produce surprisingly positive results, but “often” remains well under 50%—that’s why they’re wrong decisions, because experience tells those who can count past ten without using their tongue on their teeth that they fail more often than they succeed.
If you would like to know what constitutes right and wrong decisions in managing a major-league ball club, start with Tango et al’s book titled simply The Book.
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I’m sure the Rangers fans will say they don’t care about the “right vs. wrong” decisions as long as they’re winning. There’s a ton of decisions that managers make that have no direct statistical bearing on the game (ie, people management).
Throughout baseball history, the umps are blind and the manager stinks.
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Folklore. But largely correct.
For most of baseball history, all such evaluations were necessarily pretty much pure opinion. But in the modern era, which began around 1950 with Branch Rickey’s well-publicized figurings, through Earnshaw Cook in the 1960s, to Bill James in the 1980s, we have developed numerical fact-based tools with which to evaluate such things. And, by and large, the umps are blind and most managers do stink.
A fine and interesting history of the development of analytical thinking in baseball appears in Alan Schwarz’s book The Numbers Game.
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Always the most depressing part. Unless it is Zito
then it is just factual
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
mmm
I love the smell of the Braves about to lose
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Maybe playing Cabrera is all part of the master plan to lose until they have a protected pick.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The mets are 4 games behind the giants
If they finish ahead of us…. lolbeltran
by haroldandsivakumar on Sep 7, 2011 7:12 PM PDT reply actions
bcraw35 Brandon Crawford
Brett Pill= my 2nd fav player (behind Buster #duh) Tough loss today. Time to #beatLA this weekend
I love it when random minor leaguers get called up and turn into Frank Robinson for a week or two. Love it. Will Pill’s hot streak cause the Giants’ brain trust to do something stupid? Maybe, but what are you going to do? And sometimes they win the World Series no matter how many stupid things they do, so I don’t worry too much about it anymore.
This is comforting.
Awfully tempted to huddle up here for a bit.
Now tell me about the economy.
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I've been reading a lot about Japan lately
We’re pretty doomed.
They’ve certainly treated Pill like a non prospect through his time in the organization. I’d be surprised if a couple of home runs change their mind. I think they’re just thinking of him as a possible righty bat off the bench next year. Rowand is gone, and Burrell and Ross probably will be too.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
That would be perfect for him. Even better if he can manage a little 2B.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
also
september is kind of the domain for the flash-in-the-pan player
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I don’t really care that they lost but lose without Orlando Cabrera.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
by SFGuy on Sep 7, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
So,
If Matt Cain passed Harang on the leaderboard for most losses while giving up two runs or fewer in 7 or more IP, that means in 7 years someone will pass Matt Cain in that category by losing to him therefore one more person will be unluckier than Matt Cain. Optimism!
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
That person will be MadBum
He’ll be the one who’s still with the Giants.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
I imagine it will be an interleague game
between the Giants and the Yankees
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
Tim Wakefield will get a no-decision tonight. All of you should hope he gets his 200th win this season or the Giants will sign him next year.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I can't decide if this his inability to get his win is hilarious or sad
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Just remember, tragedy plus time equals comedy so in another twenty years, Matt Cain will be hilarious. But not now
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Brett Pill would be rocky road.
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Brett Pill is Brandon Belt's rocky road.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
On the bright side
at least he wouldn’t be pralines and dick
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by hairball on Sep 7, 2011 7:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Orlando Cabrera 2011 wRC+: 59
Brandon Crawford 2011 wRC+: 44
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
So they both really suck with the bat
But one has potential, and CAN FIELD. Like, well.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
Crawford actually sucks worse. And his minor league career gives little indication of “potential”.
But sure, I’ll grant you he can field. Whooo.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Crawford has not reached his prime yet
Thus, potential to improve. And fielding is more valuable than you are letting on.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
Improve, yeah.
Fuck, someday he might be able to hit .215.
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by owlcroft on Sep 7, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Brandon Crawford cannot hit at all
He should not be on the major-league roster next year.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Look, I agree with this
But he’s still infinitely more valuable than black-hole-of-suck Cabrera
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
They're in the same ballpark.
Literally and figuratively.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don't think so
The difference at the plate is small, the difference in the field is large. I’m guessing Crawford is a win better than Cabrera right now.
Is there any merit to a notion that the “Win” is not equal across all teams? Could Schulman be right that defense should be weighted more heavily for teams that play with a narrower run differential?
Don’t try me too hard on the idea; I’m lettin’ loose tonight.
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No...
Could Schulman be right that defense should be weighted more heavily for teams that play with a narrower run differential?
Or you could improve your offense and improve the run differential.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Well of course, if you want to take the easy way out.
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Sorry, Yes.
But, to keep the peace, not by much within the spectrum of real-world values.
There are many formulae for calculating wins from runs scored ( R) and allowed (OR), but all of them will have something proportioned on total combined runs scored in the denominator. A simple (but extrememly accurate) one looks like this:
W% = { 0.94 x [ (R – OR) / (R + OR) ] } + .500
So as R+OR becomes smaller, the importances of both R and OR escalate. That is, as common sense suggests, when total scoring is lower, each run means more. But, over the range of values in real-world numbers, the difference is fairly small: teams don’t score 1739 runs or allow 211.
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Even if that is true, you have to weight offense more heavily. I would be really surprised if there were enough games left fro Crawford to be worth a full win over Cabrera.
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"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean over a full season
But, yes, of course in terms of the club’s final record it’s exceedingly unlikely that it makes any difference at all who plays SS. Crawford, though, is a prospect and might be part of the team’s 2012 plans. Cabrera, hopefully, is not. He should not play. But the irony is that even if the Giants thought they were still in the race, Cabrera is so terrible that playing him over Crawford would still be the wrong choice. (If they were still in the race, though, probably the right SS would be Frodo.)
I agree, Crawford should be playing.
But I’m also hoping he’s not too heavily involved in this team’s 2012 plans.
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"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No it isn't
Crawford can field. Infinitely more valuable than someone who can’t, considering fielding is a) a crucial part of the game, and b) even moreso at the SS position.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
Nope
Crawford can field. Infinitely more valuable than someone who can’t
That’s not true. Just isn’t. Completely ignores the fact that there are, in fact, two halves to a baseball game. Just because one player is a better fielder than another does not make them more valuable. Because they have to hit, too. At every position.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But then you're suggesting that Cabrera is meaningfully better at hitting than Crawford
I’m saying they’re basically a wash of shittiness. But whatever, I don’t really firmly believe that this is THE problem. Just would prefer to see Crawford right now. That is all.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
Well, we appear to be arguing two separate points
One is whether or not Crawford is any good. He is not.
The other is whether Crawford is better than Cabrera. He might be. But neither of them should play.
I would prefer to see someone who is non-terrible at baseball. That means Fontenot at short. Not Crawford, and not Cabrera.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Based on contributions (and detriments), which player do you think has been better for the Giants this year?
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loooool
But seriously, this isn’t a snare.
I’m legit curio, as the kids say.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
They've both had negative value
Cabrera has accumulated more in a shorter span of time, so it’s fair to say that Cabrera has been worse.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I still don't understand this
Fontenot is a known quantity, and the Giants are done. Why not give Crawford some major league development time? He may be lousy, probably is, but the fact is he’s one of only two internal SS options right now, and the only one that might plausibly be in the majors in 2012.
I mean
Lincecum is a known quantity, and the Giants are done. Why not just throw whoever out there on the mound? Beltran is a known quantity, so let’s play Francisco Peguero instead.
The best idea is to just play your best team as often as you can.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well
They don’t have any prospects to replace Lincecum, and there are still games they’d like fans to be excited about, and Timmy’s a big draw. But I would think about shutting Bumgarner down, actually.
The best idea is to just play your best team as often as you can.Nobody believes this. What if you’re 20 games out in late September?
We don't have any prospects to replace Fontenot, either.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Something that people seem to miss a lot
The difference between a good hitter and a bad hitter is a lot greater than the difference between a good fielder and a bad fielder. There are plenty of 20-run hitters. True-talent 20-run fielders don’t really exist.
I mean, sure, I’d rather have the young guy than the one who’s done. But the only conscionable choice is to play the guy who’s actually a legit major leaguer.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
say it again!
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it depends of course
on how good, and how bad.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you.
I’m guessing the ratio is around 2:1 for the importance of hitting over fielding (on a team-wide level). People keep talking about bat and glove as if they were of equal value, which is sheer nonsense.
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It seems like it would be even greater than that. I feel like the value of defense compared to pitching and hitting diminishes the higher level of baseball one goes. In little league it might be the most important part, or at least equal with hitting and pitching. But at the major league level, almost all players are really pretty good defensive players. It’s not like anyone (there may be exceptions) just drops the baseball regularly at this level, and most players get to most balls.
/has no evidence to claim anything of value
That is cray-z.
I'm not positive.
I used to reckon the ratio a lot higher, but I’ve done some preliminary work toward estimating what teams’ OR values would be with league-average defense and though I’m not 100% confident yet in the methodology (there are a lot of places where conceptual mistakes are easy to make) I’m currently showing a variation from fielding effects of 26 runs a season per team vs. a variation from pure-pitching effects of 38 runs. That would make fielding 40% of defense, and thus (defense being 50% of the game), 20% of winning. Batting is, of course, itself 50% of the game, so the ratio looks like 50:20 (or 5:2), which is 2.5:1. But I say 2:1 to be conservative.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Something that people seem to miss a lot
The difference between a good hitter and a bad hitter is a lot greater than the difference between a good fielder and a bad fielder. There are plenty of 20-run hitters. True-talent 20-run fielders don’t really exist.
I mean, sure, I’d rather have the young guy than the one who’s done. But the only conscionable choice is to play the guy who’s actually a legit major leaguer.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
thanks a lot!
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
statistically speaking
saving a run is more valuable than producing one.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
For us to win this one, Neal would basically have to come up and hit .200/.200/.200 while running football routes in RF. Even if Neal does not make the majors, this trade is a win for the Indians. That’s astounding to think about.
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No, the Indians would still win
They got SF to pay a player that they didn’t want.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
We certainly can know
There’s plenty of evidence that has accumulated over the years that tells us that Brandon Crawford can’t hit. Sure, he might hit someday. But that doesn’t change the fact that he can’t hit right now.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I think one could get hung up on your wording, then.
“Crawford cannot hit at all” could just as easily be interpreted in the gnomic aspect as the simple present.
The latter is self-evident; the former is not.
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On the other hand . . .
. . . history suggests that it is rare for all-career poor minor-league hitters to suddenly blossom at the major-league level (especially absent some unusual assignable specific cause, a la Andres Torres). Not unknown or impossible, but I reckon I know how the smart money would bet.
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To be sure. Then again, I’m one of those who likes to let even his scrawniest hopes take the field.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
But Crawford
Doesn’t need to hit much at all to be an average player. If he could put up a wRC+ of 75, which is terrible, he’d still be worth a fantastic bargain at league minimum salary. And I think that is reasonable to hope for, if not expect.
If.
If wishes were horses, beggars could ride. Look over his minor-league history. Once batters reach AA ball, they are usually fairly well defined; a couple of seasons of AA and/or AAA ball stats usually are pretty reliable indicators of what you’ve got.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
His 2010 painted him as an average hitter in the EL. If — a very big if — he can manage one more adjustment (his 2009 had him as 20% below average in the EL), then he can hit.
If not, no, he’s toast.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s easy to slide from “There is no valid reason to have any confidence that X will happen” over to “X will never happen”.
But there is a difference.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I don’t think it’s crazy to think that Crawford will at some point hit enough to be a major league SS.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Why?
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
He's still young
He doesn’t have a lot of professional experience yet. And the bar is low. If he could hit just a little better than Cabrera has this year, he’d be close to average.
he's not that young
Like you, I have hopes he can hit 20% below league average, but I recognize it’s a hope. He’s not 21.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
As I said a little upthread . . .
. . . in the great majority of cases, two seasons of stats from AA ball or above normally define a man’s offensive productivity rather well.
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Not saying it's likely, just not crazy
Here’s the devil’s case for Crawford:
He’s only 24.
His worse minor league campaigns have been marred by injury.
His K rate has actually declined as he got to higher levels.
He had that one incredibly terrible half season where he didn’t walk at all, and that weighs down an otherwise good walk rate.
Take that all together and you have a guy that projects to have an okay K-rate, fine walk rate and acceptable power for a SS. The only question is whether is one of those guys who flat out can’t even muster a .250 BABIP. (I must admit that’s totally possible)
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Honestly I agree with your point
Cabrera just disgusts me to no end. I can’t take it anymore.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I still rather play Crawford over Cabrera
Crawford wouldn’t have dropped that pop up today and cost the Giants a run.
Just so.
Cabrera’s offense is so bad that it isn’t a matter of reckoning bat over glove: it’s reckoning Crawford’s glove over nothing.
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Lincoln's secretary was named Kennedy...
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Monroe, Maryland and Marilyn Monroe
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I'm still befuddled by this:
Jacoby Ellsbury has more HRs than Adrian Gonzalez this year. I did not see that one coming.
Savoring disappointment since 1993.
JUICED!!!???/ GRFAKRKAJDKJALJ
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Fuck the Giants
I went and watched the Durham Bulls/Columbus Clippers playoff game. Matt Moore started the game and got hit around pretty good. Beau Mills was looking prettttty sharp.
I am having second thoughts about this Bumpgardner kid.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 7, 2011 7:39 PM PDT reply actions
Suck it! ;)
Just kidding, I hope you had fun.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
We did.
Your guys knocked around Moore pretty good. The thing I couldn’t get over was the lefthanders, Mills, Buck, Nick Johnson had no trouble with Moore at all. They were banging the ball all over place.
Huffman made loud contact all game against him, too. It was my first time seeing Moore pitch and it wasn’t that impressive. He sat 95 all night, but the Clippers had no problem.
The only thing that sucked was there was nobody there. We fill that place up in the summer, but when school gets back in nobody shows up for weeknight games. It was kind of sad.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 7, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No one shows up to the Clippers playoff games, either. We always have promotions out the wazoo to try to get as many folks as possible.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Keep winning! I might be done soon enough that I can catch a game on my way back!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And if that happens, can I buy a beer during the game, roto?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Can you buy a beer? Sure. There’s a stand that sells Columbus IPA in the left field area.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
God dammit, there should’ve been a “you” in that sentence.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I was wondering! I can’t drink on the job, and won’t be able to visit during the game, but you are more than welcome to come up to the Press Box after the game is over and say hello.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
DAMMIT, i miss drinking great lakes brewing beer :(
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I visited the brewery over the summer. There’s a great new brewery that opened right across the street, so I recommend visiting the area if you can, someday.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
well... since i plan on living out in the midwest
i would assume a Columbus trip is likely. I remember you saying you visited a brewery across the street. I also judge the breweries i go to on how their food is
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
So, the Chicago thing is more likely now?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
i think it's crossed to definite...
i definitely plan on moving out to the midwest, girlfriend doesnt want to move out to california, too far
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Cool. Good luck, dude.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
thanks man!
also thinking bout driving out to detroit, since we got the condo out there. Could stay there for a while
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Yeah
Tonight there were no promotions, but tomorrow is fireworks and dollar concessions. A girl who worked there thought it would be a better turnout tomorrow because of that.
There was a Matt Bush sighting, too. Looks like he got called up for bullpen filler for the Bulls.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 7, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Before the start of the season, I said that I hope Gary Brown turns out like a right-handed Jacoby Ellsbury. I wish for that more than anything now.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
haha
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
“This is Sting. You remember him, don’t you.”
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
“Frodo Taggins, at your service.”
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
by waelwulf on Sep 7, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this
right where it is.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point
I hope Arizona keeps winning when the Giants are losing.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
+1
At this point I’d like the Giants to lose the rest of their games, put the fear of God in Sabes and Bochy, and secure a really good draft ranking.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Augusta breaks the mold - win first game 4-1
The Greenjackets had an exciting come-from-behind victory in the first game of the Sally League semifinals. Mike Kickham pitched outstainding through 6 1/3 innings (1R, 4H, 1BB, 4 K), but was behind 1-0 when he was replaced.
Adam Duvall hit a 3 run bomb to LF with 1 out in the bottom of the 7th to break a 1-1 tie, and the bullpen shut down the Mets’ affiliate in the 8th and 9th.
The best-of-three series shifts to Savannah on Friday and Saturday (if necessary) with Shawn Sanford and Taylor Rogers scheduled to go for the Greenjackets.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
However many times we say "It's bizarre," the fact is, it's bizarre.
For one thing, they can’t seem to make up their whatever-it-is-they-have-where-most-people-have-minds if they’re still desparately competing, or just auditioning for 2012.
OK, assume Christian is on trial as the 5th OF for 2012; that might make some sort of sense. But then why Cabrera or Ross, who are either meaningless for 2012 or are (or should be) well-enough known by now? Maybe Pill is on trial for some sort backup role in 2012 (he’s played 1B, 2B, and even a little 3B and OF); but why not play Belt in LF?
Today’s team is neither the best team available to win now, nor the best team for 2012 possibles (or probables).
But, as I said the other day, either give up the Giants or get well used to it, because nothing will change so long as BowTie is the Managing Partner. Even if he—of his own or under shareholder pressure—canned Sabean, he would surely select some other useless old-timey, out-of-work former GM and BS artist wooing him with visions of sugar plums and ribeyes and dingers.
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by owlcroft on Sep 7, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Sabes and Bochy are known quantities
But is bow tie at this point? I’m not so sure.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
He has re-upped the pair twice now.
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but the Bow Tie (supposedly) told Sabean he won’t allow him to do another Zito/Rowand type deal, has increased the team’s payroll and operational costs, and has also supposedly told them to try and build a decent farm system. It’s too early to really know what his ownership will be like but he’s already an improvement over Magowan.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Bow Tie (supposedly) told Sabean he won’t allow him to do another Zito/Rowand type deal,
Why, this is juicy. Where did you hear this?
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 7, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Not a convincing link.
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Let's try this again
This article
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That link isn’t very convincing, it said they went against their organizational philosophy with trading Wheeler for Beltran, but…Neal for Cabrera, Keppinger, signing older free agents this past off-season, letting Clayton Tanner go for nothing, there seem to be a lot of diverging from the stated organizational philosophy
Theer is a world of difference . . .
. . . between saying “You can’t spend the GNP of a third-world country on one player” and saying “You’re fired.” A reasonably bright child could figure out the first. But, come to think of it, a reasonably bright child could also figure out the second.
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by owlcroft on Sep 7, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The team that Sabean constructed is making Bowtie et al. a lot of money. Why would he change anything?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Because of . . .
. . . the invisible-money case: making a lot of money doesn’t mean you couldn’t make a deal more. The difference is “invisible”, in the sense that it is not manifest in the way the difference between losing money and making money is. A lot of even greedy people fall into the “invisible money” trap. I used to work for a man in San Francisco who was constantly announcing (literally) that “I’m a genius!” because he was making a lot of money; I raised his income non-trivially over the years by doing simple things he never thought of, but he never called me a genius.
If BowTie & Friends are caught in the trap, Heaven help us all, we’ll have Sabean till he dies in office of old age.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Not sure if serious
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Oh, he's serious.
He’s in the calbearjd club.
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I question my love for cake with some of the opinions he’s made.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope not.
That girl will never find a decent dress.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Chase Utley's first 152 PA
.239/.322/.373
Without the jerking around or broken wrist
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Sep 7, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HE'S A BUST
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
you're right
if you unscramble these letters you get “ApoLOLo 13”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain and Sabesel
Don’t have time to make it better, gotta go.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
Give peas a chance!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey, if you were a hot dog would you eat yourself?
I know I would!
by chilibean_3 on Sep 7, 2011 7:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would eat other hotdogs
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You just want to see the other wieners.
That is cray-z.
by DrDC on Sep 7, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is a side benefit.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Troy: Candy corn looks like tiny traffic cones.
Abed: Yeah, it sure does.
Troy: At like a candy traffic school. Like, a little gingerbread man at the wheel, and he’s drunk.
Abed: Look out.
Troy: We driving, but you keep wanting to eat yourself.
Abed: All day.
Troy: That’s one of my biggest fears.
Abed: What is?
Troy: If I ever, like, woke up as a doughnut…
Abed: You would eat yourself.
Troy: I wouldn’t even question it.
Abed: Mmm. That’d be tasty.
Troy: It’s cool to know other people think about this stuff too.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
LOL
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
...and a little bitt-uh gasoline
It might be wise to deal Belt now while he still has some trade value.
With Pill penciled in as our starting first baseman for 2012 and beyond, there’s just no room for Belt on the roster. I feel bad for the kid.
TRADE BELT AND LINCECUM AND CAIN NOW
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
you fell in
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Oops sorry haven't been paying attention
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
trollin' trollin' trollin'
What!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Trollin’ trollin’
Oh baby
Trollin’ trollin’
Especially with my favorite girl
Trollin’ trollin’
All around the world
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Belt is not that valuable. So far he’s been a first baseman who strikes out a lot. True, he sometimes grounds out or flies out. But also sometimes he does things you don’t really want, like get hit by a pitch. And he’ll take time to develop. The Giants need to go all in and that means dumping the green wood for more flammable deadwood, or maybe really heavy petrified wood. Pitching like this won’t last forever and they can’t afford a bad fielder out there like Belt. What they need is a left fielder like Raul Ibanez, or maybe a good first baseman like Jesus Guzman. If they can pull off a trade for Belt then they should take it. Maybe the Reds are looking for someone to develop.
you cant be serious
John Bowker says hi! I guess you’ve never met a sample size you didn’t like huh?
Why is Orlando Cabrera? Fuck!
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 7, 2011 8:14 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Pretty sure your joking. Good one
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Sep 7, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
100% absolutely joking
couldn’t resist a little bit of button pushing
…and a little bitt-uh gasoline
Posting comments with the intent to elicit negative or emotionally charged response?
I could have sworn there was some sort of internet term for that.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Serious or not, lets remember that Belt has the tools, he already has shown that he can crush balls in the bigs. He had nearly a OBP of .500 in Fresno this season! At the age of 22, he should be afforded plenty of time to adjust and get comfortable with big league pitching.
Thinking about it and knowing how much hes struggled so far, I might have been tempted to trade him for A-Gon in the offseason. One is the real deal while the other still just a prospect.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Brett Pill's minor league RBIs = Everyday major leaguer
Brandon Belt’s minor league BA/OBP/SLG = Bust!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I do think one thing Bochy looks at is age. Baggs implied that Belts “wide eyes” have been an issue for Bochy. Pill has been around for awhile and isnt that affected by the experience.
Theres no doubt that Belt should be playing everyday in left field. He needs to mature and get comfortable, and thats the only way.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone should show Bochy an aging curve.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What were we going to do with Alex Gonzalez?
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Is that what they're saying on sportsphone 680?
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
I can't believe you're still here
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by Murray, Present on Sep 7, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I can, he’s a troll. I think it is just time for me to start skipping past his stuff
Why is Orlando Cabrera? Fuck!
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 7, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL THIS PLACE
It must be “DEAL IN ABSOLUTES” Day!
The Emperor would be so proud!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:12 PM PDT reply actions
I was always more of a Star Trek fan. Except I never dressed up, because I don’t believe in wearing costumes offstage.
I rhyme with freak.
Clothes are a costume
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Jim's a nudist
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Sep 7, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
And we are merely players!
Performers and portrayers!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
RIP
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Mewbs
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He is nekkid under the robe
And Darth sleeps in a huge chicken egg.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I watched this again the other day. I’ve seen a documentary from the 80’s where Lucas discusses this scene. Its so stupid that he had the Emperor talk this way. Everytime he would say something, Luke would become defiant. If you want to manipulate someone you dont broadcast your intentions. He was essentially taunting him.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
The only reason I had a rooting interest in the Super Bowl was because I didn’t want him to win.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I was rooting for Cal.
ie Aaron Rodgers
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
GO REDHAWKS, SCREW YOU!
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Well this would be hilarious
MikeDiGiovanna Mike DiGiovanna
by extrabaggs
#Angels RHP Jerome Williams, who went almost 6 years between big league victories, has a no-hitter through FIVE innings vs. #Mariners.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
There goes Jerome Williams’ no-hitter and shutout. Trayvon Robinson leads off sixth with solo HR to RF. #Mariners 1, #Angels 0.
Baggs fault
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
OT: I just spent a couple of minutes washing off some particularly gritty chard.
I wonder how Bochy would react to washing all of that grit down the drain.
according to the rumors, Huff knows his way around a food plate too
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m sorry. If it helps, it’s 58 here. I offer you cooler weather in hopes of peace.
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/wraps up everyone
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
For the record, the final audio from Bochy’s chat with Robert Siegel on All Things Considered is now available from npr.org.
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by TheLetter2 on Sep 7, 2011 8:23 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
CSN reports Giants finalize trade with Dominican Republic Penal System; Villalona for Belt.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford should make sure to stick to the letter of the law just in case
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
it's called
a “zoo”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this real?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 8, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
BORK...from Hank Schulmans blog
Plus — and this is key — though Crawford clearly has a flashier glove, Bochy does not seem to believe it is so far superior to Cabrera’s that he is willing to deviate from the plan and hand the keys to one of the field’s most important defensive positions to a rookie, especially down the stretch.
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Bruce Bochy is a liar or an idiot
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Bochy needs to go
His answer was a bunch of words strung together that did not mean anything. It was gibberish.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
same thing, just a different day
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
CRAWFORD IS GETTING ROBBED!!!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
And of course, first base is the most important offensive position. Seriously, I think this explains Bochy’s mindset.
Corner positions: too important offensively for a rook
Middle positions: too important defensively for a rook
Pitcher: ok for a rook
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Don't forget last year's drama about how catcher was too important for a rook
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a middle position! Up the middle: C, SS, 2B, CF
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Ok
I was just thinking middle as SS 2B and CF. I take back my statement
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly he learned how to catch in the major leagues while playing first base.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Which is confusing, because a corner position position is too important offensively for a rook.
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Btw, I’ve been eating on your schedule recently. Lunch at 3:30. Dinner at 11:00.
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Collaborating with someone at Penn State. I’ve been working on her schedule, and she’s a madwoman. We basically stop working when we’re about to pass out from low blood sugar. It’s probably more than a little unhealthy.
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That’s allowed?
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Whoops!
Although it’s probably best not to eat in a lab that has (nonpathogenized) E. coli and isopentane hanging out. I get enough exposure to nasty crap without ingesting anything.
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Don’t be a chemist. Be an engineer, a lawyer, or a doctor! (Did I do that right?)
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Oh, yeah, I wasn’t. I assume Doctor is first, and then I’m not really sure. Engineer, lawyer?
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Lawyer: well, if you’re not going to be scientific, at least make some money!
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You seem to be altogether too familiar with this line of thinking.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Not personally. But an unbelievable number of people I knew at Stanford were there to do pre-med because their parents wanted them to. Neither of my parents is scientifically inclined, but my sister and I both have pursued science with encouragement from both of them.
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This would be another reason I am glad Stanford didn’t want me. Though, in fairness, they were absolutely right not to.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
You didn’t find the same thing at Cal? May have just been the circle I hung out in.
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It seems like there would be more of those people at Cal, if only because more people from my social stratum go there.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
There are just more people at Cal.
Been a while, but these things move slow: there are lots of premed drones at Cal to go with the Masscom hotties, but all in all it draws a lot of kids who aren’t robots.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that’s true of Stanford anywhere. The drones did bother me, but it was odd to see them drop like flies during organic chemistry.
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Ochem is Cal’s weeder course, too. Weeded me out — I was doing chem for fun, and like a lackwit picked honors chem, but lucked out and liked it — but ochem did not look fun.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It was depressing after the first mditerm of the second quarter of ochem. The prof said something to the effect of, “I know it’s a 9 a.m. class, but really tell your classmates how much they’re missing by not coming to lecture!” He didn’t realize that a third of the class had dropped after the first midterm. I went from something like the 30th percentile on the first midterm to the 5th percentile. It was cray-z.
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Shouldn’t you have gone from the 30th to the 60th, if all the weak students dropped? But that sounds like Cal’s offering, too. No dummy, I asked around and didn’t add.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Are we using them in opposite manners? I meant that I went from having a grade better than only 30% of students in the class to having one of the worst grades on that midterm. Also, I don’t think the removed all the grades of the kids that dropped when figuring out the average of the midterm, which royally screwed me.
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i think i lost like 20 pounds doing that...
No breakfast, no lunch, dinner at 2 AM because i’d do closing shifts at work
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i'm frightened for any young player in the giants' system...
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And Grant was right in the previous thread about Posey!
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Yea… Bochy needs to go, Sabean have any input on the play of Belt tho?
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Dumb question, but how long is Bochy signed until?
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Mr. Merope was looking at that tonight, and according to COTS the Giants picked up his club option for 2012 ….so one more year?
jeeze... one more year of pain in the progress of Brandon Belt?
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Yup.
BowTie & Friends picked up both men’s options around the start of February. Obviously, if TGWTWS they must both have been Olympian gods favoring us with their presence in avatars.
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The thing is . . .
. . . that having a policy of playing rooks, or one of not playing rooks, is itself manifest evidence of incompetence. “Rook” is not a monolithic concept: men have to be judged for exactly what their individual abilities are, and how those abilities fit into a frame showing team layout projected over the next, say, five years.
(I could write a long essay here about team design, aging, free agency, and more, but let’s skip it.)
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Yeah but the Giants seem to be so inconsistent. The minor league system appears to preach one thing …patience at the plate… while the major league team sends a message of valuing the exact opposite.
Very sad, very true.
And a classic sign of an ill-managed organization. Well-run organizations have solid policies committed to writing and distributed to and enforced on their players and coaching staff from lowest bottom to the big club. Stuff from fielding playbooks to batting approach.
When I was with the A’s, Sandy wanted to go so far (but staff advised against it) of posting minor-leaguers’ analytic stats on their bulletin boards and making it plain that advancement would depend on those numbers.
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I would like to read said essay, perhaps even make a purchase.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Regrettably, not for sale.
A version, called Winning Baseball, which is what awoke Billy Beane to what later became “moneyball”, and which I wrote for him at Sandy Alderson’s request, could, I suppose, become a self-published Kindle product, but there is not a lot of money in such things and (as Nero Wolfe would put it) my ego is sufficiently robust that I don’t need to feed it, so there are few stimuli to overcome my massive inherent laziness.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Peeversity.
If, some day, someone does kick my ass hard enough to make me decide to work at my age, I’d do a re-issue of The Sinister First Baseman, tack Winning Baseball on, and add a few new essays. So I keep what’s possible out of the public eye.
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No fuck them
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
by Falconer88 on Sep 7, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ugh
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Everything . . .
. . . absolutely everything you even needed to know about Bruce Bochy (and, by clear implication, Brian Sabean and William Neukom) in one nice, neat, clear sentence.
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dear god
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess the brightside is the whole "stretch run" thing
With Cabrera playing a bunch, that shouldn’t be much longer.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
You do know that even after the Giants are eliminated, Cabrera will still start.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I'm pretty sure
they believe themselves to be eliminated, hence the advent of Pillapalooza and Justinchristianmania.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter anymore
But Arizona is up 5-3 on the Rockies in the Top of the 8th
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good
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
fuck it, football starts tomorrow, i'm pumped
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I was hoping the Giants could make it interesting for another week, but that week has passed. And we’re here.
That is cray-z.
yup... and i'll watch the giants still for the fact that Belt will play, HOPEFULLY
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Same
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haha. This is why i go for a run when theres nothing to do
or i bake, cook, something
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Football season is always a helpful reminder that it’s the time of the year I can stop caring about sports.
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Tennessee football tho
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That doesn’t make me care about it any more than football in any of the 49 other states.
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But it did feel good to watch some football this past weekend. Miami, Fresno State, Miami Ohio, Michigan, WVU
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LOL FRESNO STATE
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
yea, good game 49er16
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so crazy how that happened, SICK
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still waiting
for a funky retro CSUS logo. Cartoon hornet or GTFO.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
pretty cool!
but I didn’t know you went to Logos-Vector Tech.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
OIC
That one looks more like a 50’s era logo, interesting. I am not crazy about the S-torch thing; the Sacramento Surge thing you use is OK if a little generic.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions
who'd you root for if they play cal
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they must have greased their uniforms again.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
I am still disdainful of NFL Minor League play
but I had to say it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I usually plan to watch exactly one college football game a year. This year the luck winner is Oklahoma/FSU on September 17.
If this year hews to the pattern from other years, I watch the first ten minutes and then remember why I watch only the one game a year.
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That stadium is enormous... i remember crossing the river
looking back at the stadium, pretty sweet
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LOL, GO FSU!!!!!
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The SEC West is stacked this year. I would be surprised if any team were able to run the table in that conference.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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(Is it actually? I haven’t followed this at all. But I hate the concept of the Pac-12, and I hate the idea of a Pac-16 even more.)
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“Welcome to Pac-16 football as the Oklahoma Sonners battle the Texas Longhorns in the Red River Rivalry.”
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
a nerdy but related post from CGB
Instead of the Pac-16, why not call it the “Manifest Destiny” Conference?
Motto: "Go West and Grow Up with the Country"
Divisions: "Gold Rush" and "Homestead"
For our Conference Championship game, we’d play it at Promontory Point set against a background of the vast, wind-swept steppe and then we’d all contract syphilis.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
o_0
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The schedule is great. I love it. Oregon is the only ranked team that Stanford plays all year. If they can get past Oregon, a spot in the national championship game is basically assured.
The Pac-12 is stupid, but so was the Pac-10. Bring back the Pac-8!
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Cal going to have a crazy upset and take out Stanford! (Not really)
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh.
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The Notre Dame game was fun, though. Whenever they show that on ESPNU I make sure to watch it.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Yeah, it was.
I really wish my first year on the farm hadn’t been the 1-11 year. I think my entire class was pretty apathetic about football after that.
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Wow, somehow I’ve managed to conflate ‘05 with ’06. That’s impressive. Nonetheless, the years of darkness were real bad.
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Tavita Pritchard was Brett Pill before being Brett Pill was cool.
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hahaha
you’re the oldest teenager in the universe!
I was surprised to see that the Pac-8 only existed for 14 years.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
For a while some of the schools in it hated each other. The predecessor to the Pac-8 didn’t use a round-robin schedule because some teams refused to play each other.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
the WCC was kind of a mess
still it’s funny to think that the Arizonas have been in for over 30 years.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t remember a time when they weren’t there but it still doesn’t seem right.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
they joined
in 78, so that surprises me very little.
It’s just nice to think of most conference play taking place with west coast teams rather than North Tennesee Barber College or whoever else would be in the other division.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the Pac-8. Letting in the Arizona schools was a bad idea. But even then, each school had a natural geographic rival. Utah and Colorado? Uhhhh.
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BYU
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It certainly seems that it would’ve made a lot more sense from and academics and geographic point of view.
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Utah State!
The Aggies are the other team I root for, but of course they weren’t considered for the Pac-12.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Are you a Loganite as well El Person? I love USU
Why is Orlando Cabrera? Fuck!
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 7, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Your pop is a good man then. When Snyder was the FB coach, his daughter used to babysit me and my brother in the early 80’s
Why is Orlando Cabrera? Fuck!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 7, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Quoth my friend from SEClandia:
“heads up, big east: the SEC championship is the national championship.
we just let you douches suit up and puppetfuck each other to keep you off the streets.”
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
We’re both rabid sectionalists, but it’s mostly good-natured.
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yes...
and i’m also pissed a little bit about WVU scheduling a game against Norfolk state… the fuck is that shit
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Texas A&M in the SEC now
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nah
still pending.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously? damn... Texas definitely screwed themselves with this television deal
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there are threads on CGB about it
the SEC would only do it if all the Big 12 schools provided litigation waivers, which of course they wouldn’t. So, maybe they’ll start bribing them.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It really bothers me
Aside from the ridiculousness of creating a TV channel for the sake of broadcasting all of five games, it creates a relationship between ESPN and Texas that doesn’t seem proper.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Hockey doesn't start for another month. :(
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think of hockey like some here think of football. I hate it.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah. Unlike football (or “handegg” as some call it) Hockey is totally avoidable if you don’t care for it.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it would be different for Canadians, but it’s very unobtrusive here.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Exactly, so I share your confusion over why someone would hate it. I can understand being indifferent to it, but hate?
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
it’s basically incomprehensible on TV unless you’ve been to see a game.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Now that I plan on doing this fall. My, you know, guy that I’m, well, I mean, we’re kinda…anyways, he’s a hockey fan. So we’ll do that when the season opens, so long as it doesn’t conflict with the symphony.
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Exciting! Which team are you going to go see?
NHL? AHL? ECHL?
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The team is the Knoxville Icebears (“IceBears”?), and Wikipedia says they’re members of the Southern Professional Hockey League.
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Ah.
That is kinda like A ball. But they aren’t really associated with a NHL team, so the odds of making a NHL team are pretty low
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 7, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s a BIG difference [ha literally] between minor league hockey and NHL though. We went to see the Stockton Thunder, which was cool and all, then 3 months later we went to a Sharks game. OMG, bigger, faster, larger than life.
The thing with hockey is that really the only significant minor league is the AHL – rarely do players who play in the ECHL make it to the NHL. Any other league, the chance of becoming an NHLer is practically zero (well, except for the CHL, but that’s major juniors and a completely different, weird thing unique to hockey).
It’st still fun to watch, but after you go to an NHL game, it just doesn’t compare.
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Best KHL team is probably around the level of a below-average NHL team, and the worst KHL team is probably around or under the AHL level.
It’s definitely the best European league, just above the SEL and the SM-Liiga.
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Okay, so it should be pretty fun and cheap. Probably lots of fights, which is always fun.
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The guy in question was apparently a big Predators fan during his days in Nashville.
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Definitely try to go to a Predators game, then. Even if it’s against one of the suckier teams (Edmonton, Colorado, Columbus, Islanders, Ottawa, Winnipeg, etc), it’s still so much fun, and it’s such a great sport to see being played at the highest level.
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:( and i can not wait until they open play
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yea... and miami ohio lost to Mizzou
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better than last year... but still, whatever
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FUCK YOU MATT CAIN FOR THINKING YOU CAN GIVE UP 2 RUNS AND WIN. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE BARTOLO COLON?!
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Sep 7, 2011 8:45 PM PDT reply actions
I just don't get it
There are a few Bochy/Sabean defenders here, and I would like to know, after watching this game, what could possibly be the defense for them? Every decision that was made (tonight specifically, the year would just be too damn long) was the absolute worst one that could be made. If you want to use Ford’s speed, why not have him pinch run for Pill before the Burrell sac fly? He probably would have scored. Why, if Christian is good enough to start against a righty, is Torres PH for him in the 8th? And the most important question, WHY THE FUCK IS CABRERA?
Why is Orlando Cabrera? Fuck!
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
WHY ISN'T BELT
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that one is a given of course.
Why is Orlando Cabrera? Fuck!
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 7, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll defend Sabean, but not Bochy
The team that came into this season was capable of going to the playoffs and winning a world series. The team we had after the trade deadline was also capable of doing that. Some stuff happened out of his control, people started playing poorly, and Bochy continues to fuck stuff up (which, of course, is ultimately on Sabean for continuing to employ him, but is not directly his fault).
But the team Sabean built was capable of winning a world series, which, while it isn’t ALL you could ask for, is most of what you could ask for.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Is there any way to watch Arizona Fall League games, like online? We can’t afford to actually go to Arizona till next year.
Screw the playoffs
I want to see the Giants end the season on a high note.
If I did care too much about the Giants making into the playoffs and where they are at right now, I would post a picture of a sad Yoshi.
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
a little rallye monkey happening down south
/gags
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Two things
One: Brandon Crawford sucks at hitting and is from UCLA, so inherently sucks, but I’d rather have him play SS because I like knowing that the shortstops on the team that I root for can catch routine pop ups.
Two: LOL this Phillies fan (who was the one who got me trending in Philly during the NLCS, btw)
DealNCali how the hell do we have the worst luck? chase has a concussion???oyvey
mymclife @DealNCali LOL worst luck. The Giants only have ONE position player who hasn’t gone on the DL this year – Huff, who is worth negative wins.
DealNCali @mymclife yeah, but it was such a freak thing…got hit on the helmet dead on. ugh
mymclife @DealNCali we’ve had two players hurt themselves swinging the bat. but i definitely feel your pain.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
Susan! Get me the agent of Juan Gonzalez!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt and Pill; Cabrera and Crawford
Two completely different situations. First, whether Belt gets 20, 50 or 80 at bats from here to the end of the year will not make a difference for 2012. He will go to spring with a shot to be the everyday left fielder. Indeed he and Pill won’t evern be playing the same position. So Pill getting 8 at bats and doing rather well with them instead of Belt does not make me particularly outraged. In fact, I’d like to see Pill get a lot of AB’s from here on out. Because I’d like to get some feel it he’s a viable option to be a right hander off the bench next year (or perhaps even platooning with Huff). Indeed, Pill is getting the at-bats at the expense of Huff not Belt. If someone should be sitting perhaps its Ross. I don’t think Christian will play a whole lot more, but I understand why they want to get a little bit of a look. Torres ain’t gonna be back next year. So they need to see what they have with him.
As for Cabrera/Crawford, that one is much harder to justify. Cabrera is gone in 20 games. Forever. No way he comes back. Crawford has a shot to be the SS next year. he should be getting all the AB’s. Cabrera should not get off the bench. But the problem is he was traded for. So politically that is tough.
Hold up.
Torres ain’t gonna be back next year.
Why has this become such a certainty?
Did I miss something?
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
yes. He’s lousy. He’s always been lousy except for part of last year.
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That can’t be right; he was even better in ’09, though it was just over half as many PAs as ’10.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
yes
but where was he when Neil Armstrong went to the movie studio to film the landing?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
ok, maybe lousy is a little harsh, but he’s certainly not someone to plan your team around.
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Maybe he’s not 2012’s outfield pillar (wordplay!), but surely keeping him on is better than letting him go, financially speaking.
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He is reporting from lexluthland . . .
. . . the location of whose borders with reality have yet to be discovered.
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I take it Sabean winters there.
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not necessarily a "certainty"
but he sure seems to be buried on the depth chart in Fallspring Training, and he spent time in Fresno. The tea leaves are dark IMO.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I hope not. It seems to me, while I readily admit my scarce access to information, that his troubles are largely situational and not part of any definitive decline.
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I just think
the perpetual benchings and lesson-teachings and doghousings and Fresnoings are indicative of what they think.
I definitely do not agree with their handling of him or the idea of not bringing him back at all.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Torres' value . . .
. . . is heavily concentrated in his walks rate and his power, two things that normally do not vary much from year to year; his BA is only in the .265 to ,270 rane even when he is right.
His fall in power (Power Factor of around 1.5 this year, compared with 1.8 last year and almost 2.0 in 2009—which is utterly astounding) bothers me a lot more than his decline in BA. That’s one reason I wish fucking Don Carlos would stop “tutoring” Torres in how to be a slap hitter.
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wait, what?
Who’s telling him to be slappy again?
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
At the start of the season, Torres stated that he was going to emphasize his power hitting. This made people a little nervous about his expected OBP. Beltran has been among those that have encouraged him to focus on putting the ball in play rather than getting big hits. I’d have to look back, but Beltran was not the only one taking that line.
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Did nobody smack those people in the head and remind them that slapping at the ball was half of what held him back all those years? Not only is the ADHD apparently not quite going well, but this? Sheesh.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
it's almost like
getting benched every couple of weeks and getting sent to Fresno made him a little jumpy or something.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Watch "The Franchise".
Don Carlos Beltran, self-appointed tutor to Sandoval (“go the other way much more”) and Torres (“stop trying to pull so many balls”).
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I don’t get what the problem is with just pulling the damn ball. Don’t hitters almost universally have more power to their pull field?
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Pretty much yeah. It’s also harder to pull pitches on the outside part of the plate, which is usually when hitters hit the other way (or try).
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
It evokes that line about established hitters being poor coaches, since they want to pigeonhole players into emulating their own success.
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That is perfectly reasonable advice. He was not trying to get him to slap the ball. Letting the ball get deep and concentrating on hitting line drives to left center while in the batting cages is exactly what Torres should be doing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
It is not where his greatest successes came.
Also—though I admit I am working here on impressions received, not definite facts—I believe Don Carlos was being fairly explicit about just putting the ball in play, slapping it around to get on base, not (necessarily) crisp line drives.
Torres at his best is a guy who hits maybe .270, but takes a lot of walks and gets a lot of extra-base hits, including a fair share of dingers. He is probably the best approximation to a leadoff hitter the team has, but is really more like a #6 or even #5 hitter.
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I agree that Torres isn’t an ideal leadoff guy, but Beltran was not advising Torres to return to slappy, Hrniak-style hitting. He was emphasizing that Torres should always work on driving the ball the opposite way in the cage, good advice which Andres apparently ignored, because one of the subsequent shots showed him pulling the ball in the batting cage.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
also, Torres’s power disappeared well before Beltran got here.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Torres "slappy"
Its a little tough to see how a guy taht strikes out 1 out of every 4 ab’s is slappy.
Torres had one year. It helped the Giants win a series. For that I am eternally grateful. But I don’t think he’ll be that player again. If he had that year at 26 then I’d feel differently. He’ll be 34 in January.
Add to that his disability and I think its hard to find him getting back to 2010 form. Personally, I doubt he’s back next year.
You realize he was even better in 2009, right?
2010 wRC+: 131
2011 wRC+: 124
He accumulated 2.2 WAR in only 170 PAs.
And had two straight strong seasons in the minors before that.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
That should be ’09 and ’10, not ’10 and ’11.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No, they don't realize.
Theories famously have tender skins; facts famously have sharp corners.
The oddly exceptional year has been 2011, and whatever Torres’ problems may have been, they were exacerbated as thoroughly as it is possible to do by Bochy’s handling of him, which Bochy could not have done worse if he had thought about it for months and gone at it with both hands.
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Why?
I don’t think Christian will play a whole lot more, but I understand why they want to get a little bit of a look.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a better question
why the hell did they have a 30 year old guy playing in Richmond for so long this year?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I have this vague idea . . .
. . . that there were serious injuries that effectively stopped the clock on his career (or, actually, set it back), such that between one thing and another he’s probably not much ahead of AA skills even at his age.
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Every system has org filler
Even if the guy’s a AAA talent, if he’s 30 you don’t figure he’s a real prospect, you send him wherever you need to fill out the roster.
maybe
just weird to have 30 year old org filler in Richmond. At least at the beginning of the year, rather than at the end after midseason demotions to make room for guys coming up the ladder.
And it’s not like anyone but Neal was blocking him in Fresno. They were pretty thin this year out of the gate.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
First, whether Belt gets 20, 50 or 80 at bats from here to the end of the year will not make a difference for 2012. He will go to spring with a shot to be the everyday left fielder.
Do you not care about player development? Does Belt not deserve to play everyday? Do we have a better option I am not aware of?
Indeed, Pill is getting the at-bats at the expense of Huff not Belt.
You know this…how? In the last two games, Belt has not played, Pill has placed twice, and Huff has played once.
If someone should be sitting perhaps its Ross.
How about Aubrey Huff and Justin Fucking Christian?
I don’t think Christian will play a whole lot more, but I understand why they want to get a little bit of a look.
Why is that, great sage?
Torres ain’t gonna be back next year.
Your confidence impresses me, sir.
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Response
1. Belt has been mishandled this year. No doubt about it. Still, his development is not going to be retarded by whether he gets 20 or 80 at bats in Sept. FWIW I think he’ll play most days from her here on out. But I could be wrong. He’s gonna have a shot at left next year. In fact, I’d be surprised if the job isn’t his to lose come srping.
2. I know this because Huff has sat the last two games and Belt has been primarily playing left anyway.
3. Why sit Ross? Cause I suspect he’s not in next years plans. Hes playing out a one year 6 million contract. I don’t think the Giants will pay him the 3-4 he will seek next year. If he’s not in their plans, then it makes sense for him to sit a bit.
4. Justin Fucking Christian. A potential cheap 5th outfielder next year. Maybe a longshot. But he had a nice year in Fresno, and is getting a reward. I’m not quite sure how having him play a couple games hurts.
5. Torres. Bad year. 34 in January. His problems this year extended well beyond the playing field. . I’m not sure the Giants will want to go through another year of that.
So that is the confident reasoning from this great sage.
Hmmm
ESPN has Brian Wilson 9th on their NL Cy Young predictor.
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That thing has always overvalued saves.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Did Byrnes just call Will Clark
The greatest SF Giant ever?
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
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by greekfro on Sep 7, 2011 9:12 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
HE FORGOT BENGIE MOLINA
AND BRETT PILL!
Rally Jerry!
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by greekfro on Sep 7, 2011 9:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
any callers mention PIll the Thrill?
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by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 7, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven't been listening for very long
But I assume they are repeating bernardking’s comment, but they’re being serious.
Rally Jerry!
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by greekfro on Sep 7, 2011 9:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
changing my name to Would B. Free
maybe Belt should too
“Would B. Free”, if it weren’t for Bo-chee-chee…Bo-chee-chee….oh so rough and gritty
not enough syllables, damn
if they are serious, they have issues
I was just pushing buttons earlier….I want Belt to get 500+ AB’s next year
I think I just saw Jerome Williams pitch an 8-inning 1-hitter. but, that can’t be for real, right?
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Arizona wins.
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Saunders so sucks
Millwood homers and the rest is pure suckage
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Back to School Night was a success
My Giants joke (“I love the Giants…. though not right at the moment.”) got laughs every time.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I don’t get it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
it was in the delivery
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Maintaining your back to school night patter whilst giving birth is an impressive feat.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
INVERTED W
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
the schedule is a little weird
i have four different classes and 6 sections
but the classes I have during 5th period are only for half the period, if that makes sense
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Four different classes?
Ewwwww
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
Son of ggf, lexluth7, slapsy, CalBear949 are going to drive me to insanity.
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by EricW on Sep 7, 2011 9:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
but TSFGWTWS!
Why is Orlando Cabrera? Fuck!
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 7, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Grapes.
But I don’t take my wine in pill form.
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Referring to Eridc W
He seems to have difficulty with those he disagrees. I’ve had my fair share of “debates” with you. You may not agree. But you at least listen. As do I re you.
I think I’m going to root for the D’Backs in the playoffs.
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I’m guessing you aren’t going to his place to hang out.
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Do it soon. He’s going away to college.
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I have a lot of homework tonight, though. Not sure I can get to Martinez and back.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
You have until Sunday.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Friday night it is
I’ll leave the light on.
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"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps he’s leaving the light on so he can aim better.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
emory?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
My cousin is a sophomore there
When she decided to go there my mom was like where is this school I haven’t heard of it it must be terrible what a failure
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
my mom wanted me to apply there!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
boston college
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
sweet! I didn't have any other good options, so I am here
Woohoo tornadoes! I can’t wait to be back in Cali in October…Sharks opener as a cherry on top too :P
Go Sharks!
I almost applied there for grad school.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
My friend goes there.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
btw
I know it’s spelled differently, but your name brought me back to this.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
just wondering!
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the easy teams to tolerate would be the Brewers and Tigers
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Brewers and Red Sox for me
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Brewers from the NL
Tigers or Red Sox for the World Series for me
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 7, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
As just being in the Series would give the Red Sox a chance to win it, I don’t want them or the Yankees near the Series. Go Rangers/Tigers
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Brewers yes
but Red Sox??? Their fans drive me nuts.
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I think I'll just root for the not-Phillies
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 7, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I will root for the Brewers...
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I'm going to skip the playoffs
barring a Giants miracle
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I like the Braves. I used to watch them on TBS when I was younger. The Brewers seem like a World Series bound team, though.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Brew crew all the way.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
OT:
BUT I BELIEVE AANG CAN SAVE THE WORLD
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
:D
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I finally watched that terrible movie.
It pissed me off, so I am watching the series over again to get the bad taste outta my mouth.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I just got done listening to Bochy on All Things Considered, talking about Billy, the missing fan. Thanks, TL2. Boch sounds pretty sad about the whole thing. :(
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Wait, he was on there? LOL I used to listen to that show a lot.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I haven’t listened to the piece yet, but I read the transcript. I’m taken by the emphasis the team has placed on this event. Clearly, Billy was very well thought of.
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Billy is a really sweet person, and everyone from the players, coaches and broadcasters to the ushers and security guards loved him. Plus, all of us fans who got to know him adored him.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I know who Billy is. I could of sworn I saw him recently.
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I know someone else who thought she saw him. I hope y’all are right.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember he disappeared from AT&T a couple years ago for awhile (but was still seen in SD, though).
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Really? Interesting. I was kind of hoping they’d run into him down there, but it doesn’t sound like they have.
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by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
NPR is very socially conscious. I really loved listening to them in ‘07/’08. But when Obama came to into office, they seemed to become partisan. I dont know how they are now, but I felt betrayed in a way. The same goes for PBS, but not to the same degree. It seems like things slant based on whos in power at the time. But Obama was like the perfect NPR/PBS kinds of politician. I understand why a lot people got carried away.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably just wants some Schweddy Balls ice cream.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Fun fact: I broke out a sweater vest for the first time this season. It’s officially autumn.
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whew, not here
Jeepers, it touched eighty downtown today. Or I’m having hot flashes again, same difference.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe he’s suggesting that public broadcasting has a pro-establishment bias.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
so
neoantidisestablishmentarian?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, not necessarily. They like to keep the funding channels open, but they arent like the other mainstream media operations. They wont BS you. They care about you and have a soul.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Good idea
I’ll have some Established Mint ice cream, too.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Chocolate chip mint > other ice cream
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There is a missing person report now
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Justin Christian
I’ve only seen him these last two games and dont really know what to think. He does remind me of the 2009 Torres. He can drive the ball. He got robbed by Maybin on that crushed ball. He walked and was picked off on what Krukow said was probably a balk. He made a nice catch in center. He hasnt struck out yet. I think he needs more looks.
Two games
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
A couple more I suppose. I don’t fall in love easily though (I wasn’t really sure about Torres until like halfway through last season).
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
It seems like he’d make a nice backup CF if anything.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I could see that, I’m just not convinced yet.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
while i dont disagree with what you said
SSS
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by sadison bummedgarner on Sep 7, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
his minor-league numbers aren't terrible
If he’s over his injuries, he could be useful. How’s his defense?
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
On a shallow level he looks just like Torres, but calmer.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Supposedly pretty good.
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hm
Seems like he could be a backup, then. I wouldn’t expect him to hit much above league average, but with good defense in CF..
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds about right.
Mind, it’s not like I’ve run numbers on his minor-league stats. My own philosophy of team construction has four “everyday” outfielders playing almost equal time and a 5th who rarely plays save for injury fill-in or in 14-inning games. For at least that role, he might well be quite satisfactory; as a 4th OF of my preferred sort, I doubt it, but would certainly not rule it out without a lot closer look.
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Belt/Torres/Beltran/Schierholtz would be satisfactory for that, methinks.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
God, please no Beltran.
In the abstract—say, if he volunteered to play for a dollar a year, maybe then Yes (but with no guarantees). Else, No, NO, NO! This team needs a good, strong-hitting right fielder (or left fielder—Belt can play RF adequately) for some years to come; but a man Beltran’s age, with his injury history, at his almost certain price and contract length, is not that answer. Sure, he might go on to have a wonderful decade, playing like a god into his 40s, for some other team; but I think that’s not where the smart money is placing its bets.
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I think Beltran won't be that expensive
3/$45M, you’d have to think about it. I’m expecting, as with his erstwhile teammate, a lot of teams are gonna be scared off by the injury concerns.
Never heard of The Greater Fool theory?
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Who's the greater fool?
The fool, or the fool who follows him?
Yeah, I got nothing.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I would think about that for about half a second
Then run the other way.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Doesnt it depend on terms?
If he wants anything more than 3 years forget it. But I could see giving him a three year deal. Two with a team option would be better. I also like to see Nate get some work in Center. I see no reason why he can’t be an effective CF. He runs well, gets a good jump and has a great arm.
Why not free on an at-will deal?
I mean, as long as you’re going to invent fantasies, why stop at the merely incredible?
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bonus only compensation:
$1,000/rbi
$1,500/homerun
$2,500/game played
$100/each day NOT on the dl….
$5,000 / fly ball caught
Undervaluing time not on the DL. I wonder if a contract has been entirely performance based + the minor league minimum.
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It should be based on team wins and losses. Not sure how one would reward better players though.
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All this is academic.
I’m fairly sure the Basic Contract forbids pay-for-performance arrangements (though bonuses for achievements, such as ASG, are allowed).
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impressive arm
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
hey remember that throw home aaron rowand made in game 4 of the NLCS?
that was cool
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by sadison bummedgarner on Sep 7, 2011 9:33 PM PDT reply actions
I'm playing in a baseball game!
I very much apologize but it appears that I have received a short-hop and applied a tag to you
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
double?
no
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by sadison bummedgarner on Sep 7, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Double?
YES
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I'm sorry
But it appears that I have hit a hit to right field.
Rally Jerry!
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by greekfro on Sep 7, 2011 10:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Double
PLAY
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 8, 2011 7:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Alternate feel-good Aaron Rowand moment after NLCS game 6
“We kicked their ass, we drank their whiskey, and we took their plane.”
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
I'm having the Brett Pill debate with my friend on FaceBook.
Tyler I have 5 years of data backing me up. You have two games.
well theyre the only 2 games in the major leagues and thats all that really matters anyways. those are the only 2 games you should pay attention to anymore
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
You have stupid friends
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Shift A
You know, we have a lot to bitch about as Giants fans. All those crappy ends to promising seasons. 2000 and 02 and 03 and etc.
This season might just take the cake. This season has seen one of the worst offenses of all time (of all time!) when we were all expecting competence. This season has seen a horrific injury to our lovable catcher. This season has seen a fantastic pitching staff and one of the best stories in baseball go to waste. This season has seen the absolute complete mishandling of a most promising young player.
This season has seen Orlando Cabrera.
I would like to see the 2011 baseball season to be over.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
read this as
I would like to see the 2011 baseball season to be played over.
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Well, I wouldn't mind that
If things turned out differently.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
Let's go 2012 Giants!
I run my trains like Barry Zito throws his fastball -- at a maximum authorized speed of 79mph.
by Locomotive Engineer on Sep 7, 2011 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL
/cue We’re in this thing dumpster pic
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
that looks like my dog
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
serve us.. entrance..
Now if you get that reference, you are a dark soul.
/His Master’s Voice
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
DUDE
i wonder what next year’s slogan is going to be LMAO
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 7, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
From Baggs:
The Giants will open the 2012 season at Arizona on April 6 and play their home opener April 13 against the Pittsburgh Pirates, according to a tentative schedule obtained by Bay Area News Group.
The Giants will compete against the AL West in interleague play, with a home series against the Texas Rangers June 8-10, followed by a nine-game road trip to Seattle, Anaheim and Oakland June 15-24. They’ll play host to the A’s May 18-20.
The Giants also finish the season on the road, with a six-game trip to San Diego and Los Angeles Sept. 28-Oct. 3.
There’s a tradeoff to beginning and ending the season on the road. The Giants won’t play away from the Bay Area for longer than seven games all season.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I want them to play the Yankees in NY!
/crushed
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 7, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
with a home series against the Texas Rangers June 8-10
I am totally going to stalk CJ Wilson.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Seattle will be full of Giants fans. Some from here.
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I might need to plan a trip to Seattle.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
SWEET
Giants baseball in Seattle! I’m going to as many games as I can.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 7, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey!
Anaheim Meetup anyone?
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Sep 8, 2011 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Yay!
This Portland-based fan will be road-tripping it up to Seattle for my first Safeco experience. One more ballpark to check off my list….
A certain Milwaukee Brewer started to yell at Chris Carpenter after his at bat. The replay showed Carpenter doing NOTHING. Benches cleared when Pujols said something to this douche. His (the Brewer not Pujols or Carpenter) act is getting very tiresome.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That dastardly Craig Counsell
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’d be willing to put money on that happening
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently, Tony Plush put a Tweet up that called Albert Pujols “Alberta” and “she” in a put down after the incident. I couldn’t find the tweet, though.
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/wishes he would go back
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The replay didn’t show whether Carpenter, a notorious foul mouthed trash talker, actually told him to F… off. Benches cleared when Pujols charged across the field. Your summary assumes a critical fact that is unknown and completely misrepresents what Pujols did.
If you had to see the Cardinals on a regular basis, you would be tired of them in many ways.
You’d think that sliding out of the basepath to nail That is Holliday, the guy with the bible verses from the old testament tatooed on his arm. “Playing hard” he called it. LaRussa defended both plays.
I don’t find any of the Tony Plush stuff amusing, but standing up to immature assholes like Pujols and Carpenter or going after dirty pitchers – I rather like those things.
right?
i knew he was going to get thrown out as soon as I saw “D. Ford ran for whoever”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It gotten just stupid to use him as a PR. There is no element of surprise and he’s never had a chance to read pitchers motions (unknown if he could ever develop that talent).
it's worse
when he looks at the catcher while he’s running. I didn’t see the out last night, but I did see the one previous. I’d think Roberto Kelly would have broken him of that by now, but I’d be wrong.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
In fairness . . .
. . . it was a pitchout. Think, rather, of a certain manager’s conviction that whoever is not slower than average must be sent to steal whenever that is theoretically possible.
“The Running Game” is an inherent part of Small Ball, and is every bit as idiotic as the rest of the junk philosophy. Moreover, even by the old-school traditions one might expect Bochy to worship, the rule for silly plays when there is a runner on first is classic: none out, sac bunt; one out, hit and run; two out, steal.
The steal attempt was wrong old-school and it’s wrong new-school.
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But it was right bork-school.
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Bochy and small ball.
The thing is – Bochy is NOT a small ball guy. He’s much more of a play for the big inning guy. Always has been. But seriously, how do you have that philosophy with this team? They have no choice but to play small ball at times.
Black pitched out 1-0,which you don’t see often (at least you haven’t since Roger Craig retired). Guessed right. Ford still almost beat it.
If I could have a team that sits back and cranks out big innings I’d never do small ball either. But there aren’t many of those teams around. And the Giants sure ain’t it.
No choice.
If I’m slow, I have no choice put to strap some heavy sandbags to my back.
This “Bochy doesn’t like small ball” meme got started somewhere, I ken not whence, but it’s nonsense. Compare the Giants’ long-term sac-bunt rate to the NL average: it’s nearly equal. He runs guys left and right, whether on straight steals or hit-and-runs. and so on.
“Small ball” does not enhance the run-scoring of offensively weak teams: it only exaggerates it. Sand is sand.
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But seriously, how do you have that philosophy with this team? They have no choice but to play small ball at times.
This is such a self-fulfilling prophecy. WHY CAN’T WE EVER SCORE MULTIPLE RUNS WHEN WE GIVE AWAY OUTS FOR FREE?!
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He might as well be out there with a cowbell around his neck, holding a sign that says
“I AM GOING TO TRY AND STEAL A BASE” in large Comic Sans
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Sep 7, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also he is pretty bad at stealing bases.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
that's the thing
plenty of (in)famous pinch runners and the Rickeys and Lou Brocks of the world never had any element of surprise in their attacks. They just read pitchers and stole bases.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions
So the season is over
Can I finally get some Darren Ford in CF and Brandon Belt in the lineup everyday? P-P-Please?
"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"
I don't know how you can honestly say he is not good at baseball when -
the only consistent opportunities he has had at the big league level have been when he is inserted as a pinch runner in an obvious steal situation. He DOES have talent, and just as we complain about consistent PT for other players to “see what they have” – this should apply to Ford all the same.
"Aaaaaaaal Apalachicola"
Ford blows goats
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Why does President Bartlett's entire staff love Gilbert & Sullivan so much?
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 7, 2011 10:24 PM PDT reply actions
Also most likely to miss the playoffs this year
The Rays. So there’s that.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
so i finished the first season of mad men tonight
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 10:38 PM PDT reply actions
How do I argue with this kid?
The wRC never comes in handy cuz its a flat out dumb stat. If somebody is hitting 310. with 25 hrs and 107 rbi’s then I dont give a shit whether his wRC is 12 or 350. Has anyone ever said ted williams, ty cobb, or barry bonds are the greatest hitters of all time cuz of there wRC. The answer is no cuz what really matters in the end is avg, Hrs, Rbis, Hits, and sometimes obp. Sorry but the wRC doesnt mean shit to 95% of baseball players, managers, or fans
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions
HOLY SHIT, 23 comments about that
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
lol, i like the way he put it tho to start, SO WHAT YOU GOTTA SAY ABOUT PILL NOW
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Show him . . .
. . . the wRC stats for those players, preferably season-adjusted. Racehorses do not understand the workings of a stopwatch, but that does not vitiate the value of such a tool in measuring their performances.
On the other hand, what is time to a pig? (That is, why are you bothering?)
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Boredom
I always lose when I try to debate with the likes of you, GiantPain, etc. I need to feel smart.
I couldn’t find the All-Time career totals for wRC+, so I used OPS+ instead, and showed him that those do say that those guys are the best hitters of all-time. (2nd, 10th, and 3rd, respectively)
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
all time wRC+?
cant you just go to fangraphs.com and sort by career leaders?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Both you and OC are much smarter than me.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
this.
I usually like to attack with examples, the racehorse one is excellent btw.
If you honestly want to convince this guy start with an easier stat than progress. Its hard to just jump right into something like wRC+ without knowing other things, even for people who are very bright.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
His percentage is high, but the last sentence is pretty dead on.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
everytime I read that last sentence on how players/managers/fans don't care about wRC
I just think about Jeff Francoeur.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
If the basic premise is: If a guy’s hitting .310 with 25 HRs and 107 RBI’s then he doesn’t care about wRC I tend to agree with him. Those numbers speak for themselves. Heck the Giants aren’t going to have a guy hit .300 they aren’t going to have a guy with 20 HRs (maybe Pablo) and they aren’t going to have a guy with 80 RBI’s (maybe not even 70).
If I told you that at the beginning of the year, would you have needed to know anything else to determine how well the year went?
Some “old” numbers do speak for themselves. Not in the predictive sense, that is different. But in the descriptive sense.
Sure
If those numbers are all you have, they are generally a good indicator that the player in question is good. But if you have more advanced stats, that factor in more things, such as a player success compared to that of those in a similar environment, it is ridiculous to just disregard them.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
But the thing is
Pill hasn’t hit .300, he hasn’t hit 25 homers or drove in 107 RBI’s. In the minors, sure he has done that, but it pretty much means squat down there without digging deeper.
A first baseman with a sub 7.0 BB% that doesn’t have immense power potential just isn’t that valuable.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
it’s incredibly hard to hit .300 with 20+ HRs and not be valuable.
Dante Bichette maybe? Garrett Anderson probably had a season like that or two.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
garrett anderson is the posterboy for .300 with 20+ homers.
I was praying for him to get 3,000 hits to see if people would honestly be okay with putting him in the hall of fame just for a milestone.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
No, it's not.
Not easy, and it depends on your definition of “valuable”, but not “incredibly hard”, either. There’s going to be a substantial difference between the guy who hits .300 with 21 HRs and 7 walks all year, and the guy who hits .300 with 21 HRs and 83 walks. Bichette is probably a fair example, though I don’t have the numbers I prefer to use for him.
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What percentage of players have hit .300 with 20+ HRs and not been, let’s say, 3WAR or above? That puts them above average.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 8, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
there are probably 25 players or so in baseball history who hit .300 with 20+ HRs and provided less than 10 runs over replacement on offense. Most of them would have played in small parks in big eras.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Oh, dear.
Some "old" numbers do speak for themselves. Not in the predictive sense, that is different. But in the descriptive sense.
All numbers are “descriptive” of something. The question is how well do they describe that something compared to some other way of describing it. If we say of an animal that it is a mammal and is huge, we know pretty darn well a couple of things about it, but it could still be either an elephant or a whale, and those are, in certain other respects not described by the quoted measures, somewhat different beasts.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
If a guy is hitting .310 with 25 HR in the majors leagues, he's a good hitter no matter what.
If a guy is hitting .310 with 25 HR in the PCL, where the average hitter is putting up an OPS over .800, it means much, much less.
Which is why a league-adjusted stat like wRC+ is so useful.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You have stupid friends
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OK, 'night all.
Off to Cotton Abbas and the perambulations of Mr Datchery (no, not that one).
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nighty
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
my thoughts exactly.
This is when I come on to talk because there is too much going on earlier.
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
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“Cabrera, sure, he’s made some errors,” Bochy said. “But you’ve got an experienced guy out there. I know he’s dropped a couple of popups. I think he’s as shocked as anybody he didn’t catch the ball, and he made some nice plays today coming in.”
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Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
wow... not surprised
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
he's experienced at making errors, stop questioning him.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
What, exactly, has his experience done for this team?
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Filled the grit that went away when Rowand was DFA'd
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I don't think anybody's outlook on anything has ever baffled me more than this
What is with these guys (Bochy and Sabean) and experience? Why do they think experience is this magic substance that wins games? How can they ignore reality for this magical elixir of experience? A terrible player deserves to be playing because he’s played the game before.
Why are these people in charge of my favorite baseball team?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
I see my AL team allow a rookie to play 2nd base the entire 2007 season. He started out really slow (10 for 55 in March and April) but they didn’t give up on him. Giants can’t do the same with our young players?
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
why are they in charge?
usually because the owners also believe what they believe. As seen on The Franchise Neukom is in the same room when Sabean and Bochy make personnel decisions. It is most likely an organizational philosophy.
The Giants are and have been a very “old school” type organization for many years. Better get used to it.
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Took them from 4 games clear in front of the Diamondbacks
to 6-7 games out of first place. It’s academic!
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by Murray, Present on Sep 7, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get Cabrera.
I can only think he’s playing cause they traded for him and Bochy is protecting Sabean’sback. The only other explanation is … heck I don’t have one.
I cannot help suspecting . . .
. . . that this is Bochy’s extended middle finger after the Rowand/Tejada DFAs. “Take away my old toys, will you? I’ll show you old toys.”
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I don’t think Bochy is smart, but I don’t think he would ever make a move without believing that it helps the team.
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Smart or not . . .
. . . he appears to be a passed master of self-hypnosis.
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how can he not tell that cabrera has been unspeakably bad as a giant?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Age>Numbers
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But he has experience in September stretch runs!
…yeah, Bochy is dumb enough to think the Giants are still alive in the pennant race.
It doesn't matter
This quote shows pretty well that experience makes talent irrelevant.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Orlando Cabrera = Jeyne Westerling?
It can lead us to great follies, but we follow our hearts wherever they may lead us.
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by Murray, Present on Sep 8, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
who will be bochy's walder, roose and tywin?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’m hoping that he’s saying this to the press as it being part of his job while in the locker room he’s telling Cabrera he can pretty much throw away his mitt because the next time he’ll catch a baseball is with his kids and he’ll probably drop most of those throws too.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
HE IS EXPERIENCED AT DROPPING POPUPS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
The Giants make shitty decisions
But I will be out there in 2012. I’ve been a season ticket holder since 1990. I survived 1990, 1991, 1992, 1994, 1996, 2008, I’m not giving up now.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
at some point though (not saying we are ANYWHERE near that point) the fans need to make a statement and let the organization know that being a bunch of slobbering bafoons isn't acceptable.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 7, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
you still
get to watch better pitching, at least.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
So do we like Justin Christian?
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 7, 2011 11:45 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Maybe if he was younger.
And better.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 7, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Younger?
/watches out for Walrusman
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Seems like a gritty vet with some pop
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by Anonymous1337 on Sep 8, 2011 12:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think it too early to say.
We do need to remember that his career has had injury setbacks, so he’s not just a 31-year-old guy. Whether he is having a flash year or just finally reaching his level is hard to say—it almost always is in such cases.
Very preliminary eyeballing suggests someone at least worth looking closer at.
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The Baron Reports are interesting
Man has never been on the moon, But I do believe that we have successfully sent numerous unmanned probes.
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 8, 2011 1:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Is Apocalypto worth staying up until 3:30 for?
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
I’m going into the city tomorrow though, so I probably have to wake up around 11. And the I have work early Friday. And I have a party and have to pack Saturday.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Fuck it.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions
This movie has shitty special effects, too.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa
She just gave birth underwater. And it took seriously 3 seconds.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 3:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Hahahaahahahahaahahahahaaahahighschool
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I have to answer three questions about this poem and answer 33 questions for a physics lab writeup and then I can call it a night.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
That’s assuming that the people in my Spanish group have covered for me for the presentation tomorrow. Otherwise I’m kind of screwed for that.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Since when do you do homework?
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions
How can you work with so little sleep? I don’t understand.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Practice, mostly
I’ve been going on 5½ hours of sleep nightly all week, and obviously tonight I’ll get somewhat less than that.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I do it.
But it kills me.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If I don’t get enough sleep for a long enough time I start hallucinating sometimes. That’s usually fun.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
That does sound fun.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 3:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Basically dugs.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 3:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Not if you have a few good friends.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 3:23 AM PDT up reply actions
how in the hell
do you stay up until 3 AM and play football the next day?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Late night question
I’m writing something up about the NL MVP race, and I have a question:
If you average the rWAR and fWAR figures, and take in to account the various issues with the defensive metrics utilized by each system, Matt Kemp appears to be slightly (a.k.a. maybe 0.3 or 0.4 WAR) more valuable than Justin Upton (I should also note that Troy Tulowitsky is right there as well). Am I misguided in the belief, considering the D-backs will make the playoffs and the Dodgers and the Rockies will not, that Upton should win the NL MVP award? Or should I give it to Kemp (or Tulo, or Halladay, or whoever else)?
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Yes
Give it to the “most valuable player”, regardless of how many other good players he had surrounding him.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:43 AM PDT up reply actions
So...
Kemp should be the frontrunner, then? And am I allowed to give him a 1 WAR discount because he’s a Dodger?
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 8, 2011 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions
which question are the two of you responding to? The frontrunner one, or the discount one?
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 8, 2011 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I had been leaning towards Upton, but the race is much closer than I thought. Kemp has been freaking fantastic this year.
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 8, 2011 3:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Averaging rWAR and fWAR is sort of problematic because they have different replacement levels.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Understood
And to be fair, I only realized Kemp was pretty significantly better just this second. Upton has been worth 6.7 fWAR and 4.3 rWAR, while Kemp has been worth 6.8 fWAR and 8.6 rWAR. It isn’t even particularly close, especially considering rWAR has a lower replacement level, correct?
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 8, 2011 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Blech
I always mess that up. I’ll take your word for it. Either way, according to those particular metrics Kemp has been more valuable. Therefore, would I be crazy if I would vote Upton #1 for NL MVP?
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
I've had too much to drink
Reply fail.
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 8, 2011 3:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Not crazy
But since you only seem to be looking at WAR, what would make you choose Upton?
His team making the playoffs is not a good enough reason for me.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Sep 8, 2011 3:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Since I don’t watch enough of either team’s games, I use WAR as a starting point, and admittedly a major factor, but I would say it is not a be all, end all.
There is a larger difference between Kemp and Upton than I originally thought, and TBH its really gonna come down to this last 2-3 weeks to figure out who should win the award (and don’t count Tulowitski out either). I suppose my original bias is due to my general distaste towards anything Dodgers.
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 8, 2011 3:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I have the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang song stuck in my head.
Somebody please shoot me.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Just got to the part in Moneyball
where Bean takes Blanton over Cain.
It was awesome.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Because if they mention Cain's name, it makes Beane look stupid and Lewis loses his narrative
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Huh?
Moneyball was published in 2003—-when Cain had just finished up a mediocre stint in the rookie leagues.
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Yeah, they mention just about every other player picked before Cain
and most of the players picked after. In fact i think he’s the only player who is mentioned than he was picked without being named.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Well
Obviously Cain’s been better, but Blanton was a good pick. The A’s got like 10 WAR out of him and then traded him for prospects. That’s far better than average, even for a first-round pick. Beane did some stupid things in that draft, like taking that fat catcher, but picking Blanton wasn’t one of them.
Pill vs Belt
Not sure why there is anger. Belt should be playing LF. We have only 1 other returning OF next year, Nate. Huff will be at 1b next year, so Pill or Belt have to get time from him next year.
You should really be yelling at Belt getting time over Ross, or Christian or even Beltran.
I am a little old school in thought, if the guy is hitting, let him play. Team needs accountability for performance. You don’t reward a dog for playing bad, and you don’t punish him for playing good, so why do it to your team? Pill is not going to hit a HR every game of his life, or have multi hit games, but for the time being, let it play itself out.
Belt over Beltran???
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Because Beltran is a much better hitter.
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Yea probably not
Pill and Belt will be here next year. It would be a sign of giving up playing Belt over Beltran. Just saying you could argue he should be playing over anyone who will not be back.
Maybe Beltran will be back. I hope so.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
We have only 1 other returning OF next year, Nate.
You really think Torres is gone?
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I thought he was FA
I would offer Arb to him either way. I thought Nate was only one under control for next year.
Pratt & Whitney are considering selling their Rocketdyne division.
Goodbye more California jobs.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 8, 2011 7:56 AM PDT reply actions
Good morning
I’m still not used to this time difference thing. I think it’s 7 or 8am out there on the Best Coast? It’s 11am here.
There was an article about Angel Villalona in today’s Listin Diario, a daily paper here in the DR. It didn’t say anything we don’t already know. It just said he’s getting ready to return to action and he will be at the team’s complex in Boca Chica. If they’re reporting on this stuff, it means they’ll probably have more reports in the future. I’ll keep my eyes and ears open.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 8, 2011 8:04 AM PDT reply actions
Thanks
Getting him back in the system will be interesting. I wonder if he’s even any good any more.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I really really really want to do some reports on him but it’s a very sensitive subject. Plus a story just came out about a Dominican journalist who was killed for investigating a dude involved in some shady dealings, including drug trafficking. Turns out Jose Rijo might be involved. Here’s the story: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/09/former-big-leaguer-questioned-in-dominican-investigation/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
So if that guy can be murdered for investigating a scandal, I can’t imagine they’d be kind to a gringa periodista who speaks barely functional Spanish asking questions of Villalona. I won’t touch that with a ten foot pole.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 8, 2011 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, it's Diario Libre
My bad.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 8, 2011 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, wow. We’re in the same time zone. I did not know that.
I hope the DR is treating you well.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 8, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow...
On Murph and Mac w/ Kruik on….kruik said boch will continue to play cabrerra because he is good offensively over crawford as long as we are still chasing the Dbacks….
This logic is soooo flawed…it’s disturbing…
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
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They will be chasing the DBacks for the rest of the season so…
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
ya...this is disturbing...
also, IDK what offense boch is talking about with cabrera
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
I hope Cabrera makes 15 errors
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
how many does he already have as a giant?
You know I spit technique to the freshest freak
Gimme a call you will see results in just a week
With the soul of a LOST HAWK
Is there a heaven for a Rap Cat, let's talk
it's pretty weird
Is there any metric that suggests he’s a good hitter, even ones the Giants believe? His batting average is pathetic. He has no RBIs. His VORP must be negative eleventy kajillion.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t Crawford get 2 RBI’s ( RBIs dont mean shit etc) in his first game back? Add that to the defense he played during that game and I can’t see how Cabrera is better.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Experience (being shitty), (shitty) track record, he’s been there before (and was shitty then as well)
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 8, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
For a team lacking hitters who get 2 out RBI's
The message boards for the team seem to hate this stat.
I understand RBIs are not predictable other than hitting with men on base, but I like RBI’s, those are runs scored of hits in pressure situations, or XBH with men on 1st, or homers.
Cabrera is not a good hitter, fast or good with the glove but he is above average situational hitter. I would rather have someone like Bartlett, who has a good glove, decent hitter, fast and situational hitter.
Hasn’t he failed to move the runner over every single time he’s had the opportunity to since joining the Giants? What makes him an above average situational hitter?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 8, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
He is better than most Giants at moving runners, and getting guy home at 3rd with less than 2 outs
But he is hardly rally monkey material
by Myemail21479 on Sep 8, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I have channeled my nostalgic affection for the RBI (which, as a player, I devoutly aspired to produce) into using them as qualifications for meaningless post season accolades. Other than that, I have come to ignore them.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I agree with you
Cabrera is not a good hitter, fast or good with the glove
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 8, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
OT anyone else getting the VZ Droid Bionic today or soon?
I have been waiting what seems like forever to upgrade my OG Droid 1
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