On Brandon Belt Not Starting Again
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 7, 2011 12:56 PM PDT
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Brandon Belt has 153 plate appearances for the Giants this year. That's pretty spectacular. He was the Opening Day first baseman, after all. He had a hand injury, sure, but even considering that, he has 153 plate appearances. For a little context, remember that Jeff Keppinger, for whom the Giants traded two months ago, has 168 plate appearances with his new team.
Was Belt the answer? Would the Giants be in first if he had started all year? Nah. Probably not. But it's hard to imagine a way the Giants could have dickered him around any more, especially considering this is just his second season in professional ball. After giving him the starting job, they gave up on that idea after 50 at-bats. In Albert Pujols's first 50 at-bats this season, he hit .226/.288/.358. That isn't to say that Belt is the next Pujols, but it's a reminder that 50 at-bats isn't the kind of sample that can tell you a whole lot about a player's ability. Even good players struggle.
There's more than the numbers to the story, of course. There's the eyeball test. When Belt was struggling, he didn't look good. When he was succeeding in the minors, well, Bruce Bochy didn't see those games. The ones that Bochy watched featured a struggling Brandon Belt. You don't need 500 at-bats to know when a guy is good or not. You can just tell. So Belt didn't get the chance to adjust, didn't get the chance to patch the holes in his swing.
When the pressure got to be too much, and when the Giants offense was going through what might have been their worst offensive stretch in franchise history, Belt was put back into the starting lineup. It was August 14th, and Belt started 14 games during the remainder of August. He hit .220/.291/.440 during that stretch. Sure the .731 OPS was better than what Aubrey Huff had done all year, but Belt's line came with a bunch of strikeouts. So that experiment ended, and Belt stopped starting.
Now Brett Pill is up. He's starting today against a right-hander, mostly because he hit a home run last night against a left-hander. That makes sense. This is a pretty good sign that Belt has been officially buried. If Pill has a two-hit game today, I'm guessing we won't see a whole lot of Belt for the rest of the season.
So here's how the Giants have made their decisions regarding Belt:
- Hot spring? Start him!
- Bad 15 games? Demote him.
- Hot month in the minors? Promote him!
- Return from a hand injury? Promote him, but don't play him.
- No one else is hitting? Try him in the starting lineup again!
- Only barely outproduces the incumbent over 50 at-bats? Bench him.
- A different 26-year-old comes up and hits a homer in his first at-bat? And you say he doesn't walk a bunch, so he's not going to look at strike three all the time? Welp, we've seen all we need to see.
Your argument might be that, well, he looked awful during those stretches. That's sort of the point when it comes to stats, though. It's rare that when a player struggles, he does so gracefully, hitting line drives that just happen to get caught. Usually players who aren't doing well look like players who can't play baseball well. And when a hitter is hot, he looks like the reincarnation of a young Roberto Clemente. Stats help you sort through that.
The Giants, though, believe that they can sift though the tea leaves and figure out who is swinging a hot bat, and who isn't. They don't need to be wary of small samples because they can just tell. It's this kind of faith-based strategy that has the Giants constantly failing to score runs.
Brandon Belt's superlative stats in the minors suggest that he's a special hitter. His performance in the majors suggests that he has work to do. The Giants are doing everything in their power to make sure that he gets that work in the most erratic way possible. They've started him, benched him, demoted him, promoted him, and refused to start him against left-handed pitchers even though he's been fantastic against them this year.
Well, that last note is probably just the mirage of a small sample. But, hey! Why has that ever mattered?
So here's a cheat sheet for the rest of 2011:
Learn it. Love it. Live it. Let's see what Belt looks like without the threat of getting pantsed by small-sample goblins. Give him the job, and then back the hell away for the last month of this miserable season.
Comment starter: If Buster Posey has this streak before this streak, the Giants don't win the World Series. That's more of a statement than a comment starter, but I really believe that. If Posey strugged when he first came up, the season would have been far, far different, even though his talent level wouldn't have changed at all.
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When did Belt change his middle name?
Oh right. Having K as a middle initial isn’t exactly a good thing for a hitter.
I still believe
If Posey had struggled at the plate when he first came up in 2010, the Giants would have never traded Molina.
Fuck these monkeys that are in charge
Also, please to be adding Crawford to that lineup. While he probably won’t ever be good, Cabrera is obviously a waste of time and there is a chance that Crawford gets better.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
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Fontenot
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"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Fonte-not a SS
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Neither is Crawford
Not a major league quality one, at least.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But
He’s already better than Cabrera. And unlike Cabrera, he may yet improve.
But he's not already better than Fontenot.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Probably not
I think the difference is small when you include defense though. But the Giants aren’t really contending anyway. Fontenot, even if he’s back, is not the future at SS.
Nah, it isn't small.
And Crawford isn’t the future at SS either. Fontenot has a role on the team next year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
no way dude
they’re signing an SS. Bert Campaneris maybe.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Fontenot has a role as a util IF
Crawford has a role as… designated terrible?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The defensive gap is not large enough to make up for the offensive chasm.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that Fontenot is the future at shortstop. He should, however, be the present.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
The offensive gap is not as big as you think
Fontenot is probably not much better than a .300 wOBA hitter playing every day. And he’s not a good SS. Probably, Fontenot is 2 wins better with the bat and 1, 1.5 worse with the glove.
He should, however, be the present.
I still don’t understand this. Why? Even if he’s the best option if you’re trying to win games, winning games is academic at this point.
No, he's 3-4 wins better with the bat.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Over the course off a full season, of course.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Crazy talk
This season, in 175 PAs, Crawford was worth, or rather wasn’t worth, -0.3 oWAR. So that’s one win over a full season. Fontenot has been worth 0.5 oWAR in 223 PAs, or 1.3 in a full season. So there’s a 2.3 win difference, and that’s in a comparison with Crawford’s rookie year.
At least Crawford is above 5'4"
There’s one play a game Fontenot can’t get too because he’s a midget.
Not sure if trollin’.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I just want a defensive shortstop
It’s all about what you want. I couldn’t give a shit if Crawford can hit or not, I want someone who is a great fielder at short.
I'd agree with you if he didn't have to hit
But he does. And he’s murder with the bat. Awful. He takes away all of his defensive value by being an outmachine with no redeeming offensive qualities.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This makes no sense.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Or the smell test!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok
But it doesn’t matter more to the team’s ability to win.
Which means Crawford shouldn’t play, because he’s, like, really bad.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Not defense alone, no.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Grant, very funny, "Belt has 153 plate appearances"
Unless you have pictures…..and no, plate appearances at Red Robin don’t count.
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions
This post is 100% spot on
Too bad our manager and GM are FUCKING IDIOTS
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Well said Grant
I blew a gasket over this in the last thread and am going to back away now.
Serenity Now.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 7, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup, definitely agree
would love someone to question Bochy or Sabean on the management of Brandon Belt…
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by TexasRanger on Sep 7, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Sounds pretty much like what he would say
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They have. The answer has been that he has a hole in his swing and he’s not very good.
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I’m not saying I agree. I’m just saying that was their answer.
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There is so much we don't know about his mental makeup
but I guarantee the Gints aren’t giving up on Belt. Maybe his mechanics need serious tweaking and they don’t want him failing and losing confidence. I know it’s cockamammie, but such are the Giants FO.
Don't believe everything you think.
They don’t want him losing confidence? So they tell the press he’s not good? Weird.
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ive never heard of a sample goblin before
just how small are they?
by projectmayhem713 on Sep 7, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
they blew smoke up his butt
the only reason he was on the opening day roster was because of the ross injury…and they shoulda been straight with him
they dicked the kid around all season…and it got into his head
im sorry, but sabes and bochy are not the guys you want, if you wanna go young
and if bochy was mays manager when he broke into the bigs…mays woulda been outa the game in a month
Really
This is another conspiracy theory…Giants trying 1) not to win and 2) trying to damage their best minor league prospect?
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It isn’t really that they are trying, it is more that they don’t know any better.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
"Belt isn't in the games, and that's why he sucks...."
Anonymous is Bochy’s screen name!
/mind blown
//goes back to re-read rantings of Anonymous about moon landing
///not surprised
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions
Not saying that I agree
but I think Bochy is down on Belt for his approach/overpatience…we heard about this ever once in awhile about how Belt seems to wait for the perfect pitch to hit and not making contact with close pitches.
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yeah and that's the solution
SIT ON THE BENCH UNTIL YOU LEARN TO BE AGGRESSIVE
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It's not about aggressive
it’s about making contact/fouling off close pitches…Belt takes way too many close ones.
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It's not about hacking.
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It is absolutely about hacking. Nobody ever sits on the Giants because they swing at too many bad pitches.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Different issue…hacking is swinging at whatever pitches comes your way. Posey is a very patient hitter but he is able to foul off close pitches.
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So let him work at it. Maybe it takes more than 153 plate appearances, some of which didn’t get to a 2 strike count or didn’t end with strike 3.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 7, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
again…I’m talking about why Bochy is down on Belt…
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Yeah, I get that. I just can’t understand how if that is Bochy’s reasoning someone isn’t shouting the same stuff at him.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 7, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So you punish him by sitting him for a week
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Look…I am not saying that Belt should sit…I’m just saying that Bochy is unhappy with Belt’s approach.
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Yet his approach is more productive than our other first base options
And he’s young and should improve over time.
that's what you do with Torres or Ross
but if it’s Huff, he’s gotta play through it. You people really don’t understand this at all.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s nut ebuoot eggresseefe-a it’s ebuoot mekeeng cuntect/fuooleeng ooffff cluse-a peetches…Belt tekes vey tuu muny cluse-a oones. Bork Bork Bork!
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
by El Person on Sep 7, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
HAHAHA
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
god man, that sounded so much like Bork's drivel.
Great impersonation.
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I just plugged CalBearOrangeCountyAreaCode’s post into an online translator. Don’t give me the credit.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
aawwww Google translate used to have all kinds of crazy languages: klingon, Swedish Chef and a bunch of other weird stuff.. can’t find it now though.
closest I can come is http://www.google.com/webhp?hl=xx-bork
I don’t think Google Translate ever did, although I know Google comes in those languages. The one I used:
http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/jbc/bork/bork.cgi
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
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by positiveuphemism on Sep 7, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Except
his K to BB ratio is 46 to 12.
JT Snow talked about this issue in May…he said that Belt looks at too many inside pitches that are close…JT stated that Belt need to foul those off so that the pitchers know that he can get to those pitches.
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This year in AAA: 19.8 BB%, 22 K%
This year in MLB: 10.5, 27.5
He is striking out in 5% more of his at-bats than in the minor leagues, which is once in every 20 at-bats. Definitely his walk rate is much worse than in the minors, but comparably for the Giants its not bad.
In all sss, it goes: Burrell, Ross, Belt for highest BB%
The guy
had a 1:1 K to BB ratio in AAA this year and the dude was slugging .527.
You cannot have a 3:1 K to BB ratio and slug .363.
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The Giants need to see more pitches!
But also, bench Torres and Belt. What’s that? They see just about the most pitches of anyone?
Fuck ’em.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
benching may not be good enough for them
but the Fresno Grizzlies may have a chance at the PCL title next season!
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants ranked by Pitches/PA
Pat Burrell 4.24 Brandon Belt* 4.16 Andres Torres# 4.16 Eli Whiteside 4.08 Mike Fontenot* 3.98 Bill Hall 3.98 Cody Ross 3.97 Nate Schierholtz* 3.97 Buster Posey 3.95 Brandon Crawford* 3.89 Mark DeRosa 3.81 Aubrey Huff* 3.80 League Average 3.79 Carlos Beltran# 3.61 Aaron Rowand 3.53 Pablo Sandoval# 3.53 Freddy Sanchez 3.46 Miguel Tejada 3.42 Chris Stewart 3.40 Emmanuel Burriss# 3.38 Jeff Keppinger 3.27 Orlando Cabrera 3.20 Team Total 3.75
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I love how
The top guy is hurt but was a bench player when healthy, and 3 out of the next 4 are persona non grata in the lineup.
HMM. DO YOU THINK THAT’S A FUCKING COINCIDENCE THAT THIS TEAM DOESN’T SEE ANY FUCKING PITCHES?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
BUT WHY AREN'T THEY HAVING GOOD AT BATS?!?!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If only they could hit more sacrifice flies!
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree, but...
Just eyeballing this chart, it looks like there is only a very weak correlation with OBP or OPS. Some of the best OPS guys are smack in the middle. So is Aaron Rowand. Maybe we should just stick with the stats that have some predictive power.
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It's not the strongest correlation, but it's there
But the point is that the Giants actively refuse to play players who have this skill.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
That's likely because
A lot of the guys who are good at seeing a lot of pitches are the same guys who have been benched or yanked around so much that they haven’t received enough playing time.
P/PA is one of the fastest stats to stabilize. These are reliable measures of a skill. If their results don’t match these rankings, they haven’t gotten enough time.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
There are also three other advantages not in the chart
1) You get to the team’s bullpen faster
2) The team gets to see more pitches early in the game
3) Your pitcher gets a breather between innings
I swear the other night
Kruk was saying it was good for the pitcher to “get right back out there.” He was basically praising the offense for not taking any pitches. I thought I was hallucinating, but my husband confirmed that he indeed said this.
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Are you sure this wasn’t just his incurable habit of looking on the bright side? Kruk thinks to himself, well that was some pathetic hacking, but I can’t say that, then says “Hey at least (pitcher) can get right back out there and stay in the great groove he’s got going.”
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He often comments that this is a self-reinforcing cycle, especially when two pitchers are both pitching well… if you’re feeling the groove, you want to go right back out and keep throwing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why I agreed that taking pitches is good
But we started this discussion talking about how taking pitches would eventually make Belt a better hitter. So I just observed that taking pitches appears very weakly correlated with being a better hitter, in the statistical sense we usually mean.
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This is why a lot of people view OPS as flawed becuase it weights slugging and obp equally
I'm a fucking walking paradox. What is Giants offense for 400 alex?
I thought it was because of the different denominators.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 8, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
It is defective chiefly on two counts:
One, it adds things that should be multiplied. Even within the relatively narrow spectrum of real-world baseball-stat values, that is still a problem.
Two, it use SA as a measure of what we might call “the RBI Factor”. A much better but equally simple metric is TB% (TB/PA).
But by the time you do those things—especially the first—you are out of the range of super-simple measures, and so might as well use a really sound full-blown one, say Base Runs or TOP.
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Be careful what you wish for because if you want OBP and just OBP you have Yankees-like 4 hour games and nobody wants that
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 2:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If that’s what it takes to hit like the Yankees then count me in.
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by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 3:51 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I want that so bad
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yeah! I’ll keep my 130-minute shriekfests, thank you very much!
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Was a first strike hitter.
Statistically the more strikes you see, the more you BA goes down.
You can’t tell me Pablo, Sanchez and Beltran being below league average that they are not better than league average hitters, nor guys like Hall, Ross, Whitesite or some of the others have had better results from more pitches.
Average pitches ignores certain things. Whiteside occasionally locks in for 10 pitch at bats. That is a half win, even if he makes an out. Sanchez used to do the same, but his pitches seen are down by a half… he is the type going up looking to hammer the “get it in” fastball.
This graph can tell you more about a hitters approach than his results. While I prefer a patient approach, I would not trade Pablo for any other 3b (okay maybe Bautista, but really)
Exactly
More P/PA is good if all other things are equal, but other stats matter more and the correlation is weak.
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I'm not sure Fred Lewis is the best comparison
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I’m pretty sure I wasn’t comparing them. Just saying they’ve had this issue with wanting younger players to be aggressive before. Fred had the same issue of watching a lot of close strike threes go through.
I don’t think they minded Fred being patient, especially if he didn’t complain every time they put him in the leadoff spot. He wanted to bat 3-4-5.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 7, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
complain every time they put him in the leadoff spot
I believe this to be a crock of shit. He said something once, in response to a question.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s a reminder that 50 at-bats isn’t the kind of sample that can tell you a whole lot about a player’s ability. Even good players struggle.
The Voros Law!
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
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BELT WUZ ROBBED!!!!
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Grant is right!!! BOCHY'S HEAD ON A STICK!!!
McCOVEN’S UNITE AT THE GASLAMP DISTRICT AT 6pm TONIGHT. Who is with me??
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:11 PM PDT reply actions
No
And if you challenge them about it they get defensive.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
What would you know about this subject...
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I just don't know what's going on here
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
by fjm on Sep 7, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Aubrey "rook, yes, but these are what $10 million hands look like"
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
You broke my heart Frodo
(Fontenot version)
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Vogelsong is in the background doing his Zito impression.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He bestowed his grit unto him
And Bochy saw it. And it was good.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
From July 6 - August 5 1986, Barry Bonds had 77 ABs
It was his first MLB season. Over that time, he hit .156/.214/.325 with 23 SO and 6 BB.
depends if the 23 Ks were of the swinging or looking variety
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
A certain someone hit .038/.219/.154 in his first 32 plate appearances.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
should have DFA'd the bum
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
5th outfielder, at best
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
by fjm on Sep 7, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
that guy sucked
that’s why his manager punished him by sitting him down a lot and telling him he’s bad.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Fun fact of the day
The Giants’ line this year: .238/.300/.358
Everyone’s line against C.C. Sabathia this year: .249/.295/.353
Against the Giants, every pitcher is C.C. Sabathia.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
by El Person on Sep 7, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I thought every pitcher was Greg Maddux. I need to live in the now
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
by fjm on Sep 7, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants hitters are not a respector of persons
Cliff Lee, Henry Sosa, Randy Wells, Roy Halladay, “fuck you all. You are all the same to us.”
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL, this is awesome
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That fact wasn't fun at all
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
They never are.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
OK, here’s a fun one: Against the Giants’ pitching staff as a whole, batters are hitting .230/.305/.344.
Giants pitchers collectively are nearly as good as C.C. Sabathia.
WE ARE ALL FAT
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That was definitely fun
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
CC Sabathia Run Support in 2011
15 x1
13 x1
12 x3 (!!!!)
10×1
9×2
8×2
7×1
6×2
5×3
4×5
The Yankees have scored 4 runs or more in support of Sabathia 21 times this season.
Tim Lincecum’s average run support : 2.94
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
AL vs NL
You should at least rate vs league average. 9 spot being a pitcher does make a difference. Also being able to pitch in the 6-7-8 innings without a lead instead of being subbed helps.
I personally like the fact that left handers have been hitting .444/.471/.553 against Wade LeBlanc this year and Bochy sat both Belt and Crawford last night for righthanded hitters. 47 PAs is SSS, but still.
If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Sep 7, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
This is why I dislike BORK
His fetishes for everything other than talented young players are surreal.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
This is pretty much every manager
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I want a Joe Maddon
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 7, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
but there are 28 other managers…most of them prefer veterans over rookies.
Look at the potential NL manager of the year in Gibson…the guy starts Lyle Overbay over Goldschmidt.
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Goldschmidt plays a hell of a lot more than Belt does
He has 40 fewer PAs and has been up for like, half the time.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He also has a OPS of .800, OPS+ of 115, an ISO of .238, and wOBA of .354
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A shitload of Ks too.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
35 Ks and 10 BBs in 111 PAs.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Brandon
has 46 Ks and 10 BBs and slugging about .120 lower.
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God I know. Fucker.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It is pretty much consensus that Belt is the better prospect. Short Sample Size stats should not dictate playing time. If Goldschmidt is playing, Belt certainly should be playing more.
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by jctGamer on Sep 7, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think they Giants would not start Belt if he had a OPS of .800?
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Sure they would but do you think it is a good idea to bench him because he is not?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Again
it’s about why he’s not starting/playing…he just have not helped himself in that department…what case can you make for yourself when you have an OPS of .636 and a K/BB ratio of 3 to 1.
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SMALL. SAMPLE. SIZE
WITH INCONSISTENT OPPORTUNITIES.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Again
talking about now…not whether it is or is not indicative of a player’s true talents.
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Not exactly a fair comparison as his team cans only afford kids. We’ll see what happens when the Cubs or Mets come calling
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 7, 2011 2:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
"Faith-based strategy" sure nails it
It’s been said before but this so perfectly describes Sabes/Bork form FA acquisitions to resigning veterans to lineup decisions. I know they have all that good statistical and scouting information in front of them before they make decisions but then they usually just throw it out and go with their gut (or a 7 AB career sample size vs pitcher), hoping for self-fulfilling prophesies to justify their positions. It is so depressing.
when it comes to HITTING
they’re not results-oriented either, in that regard. Bochy said it best. They’re “gut-oriented”.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
I'd like to see Belt play,
but young players normally have to hit their way into everyday lineups. He surely hasn’t forced Bochy’s hand the way Posey/Panda did.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
but young players normally have to hit their way into everyday lineups
That’s just a horrible way to develop young hitters, especially when veteran players get months to hit their way out of everyday lineups.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 7, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Belt had opportunities (sporadically) and didn’t cash them in. Rookies have to play at a certain level to impress Bochy- and Belt wasn’t there.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Rookies have to play at a certain level to impress Bochy- and Belt wasn’t there.
Sure. And that’s a stupid way to handle prospects.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 7, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It is what it is
Bochy’s rules.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
OK
But “it is what it is” is not a valid response to “that’s not how it should be”.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Should he play every day? Yeah.
When he has played, is he playing so well that Bochy no other alternative? Not really.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
*had no other..
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Exactly...
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I find it interesting that only Belt gets this question asked of him.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Belt is the "Golden Child" du jour
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Quoi ?
I don’t think Bochy worries about whether Orlando Cabrera is playing so well that he doesn’t have any alternative to playing him.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
I'm just going to pretend that you only said the stuff in the subject line
Because it’s really the only thing you’ve said that makes any sense.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
agree to disagree
but Belt is playing at “he’ll work through it” level, which won’t hold Bochy’s attention. Unless you’re over 30.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
He should play every day.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Probably true
but Belt hasn’t helped himself.
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He should play every day.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
and play better when given opportunities
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
He should play every day.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
and play better when given opportunities
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Only one of those things is up to Bruce Bochy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Both are up to Belt
Force Bochy to play you, Brandon!
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
What?
Unless they’ve changed the way lineups work, Belt cannot force Bochy to play him every day.
He should play every day.
NO MATTER HOW HE DOES. PLAY EVERY DAY. FUCKING PERIOD.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 7, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Belt has a very limited minor league history.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He should play every day.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 7, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, he certainly hasn't...
but it’s also exceedingly clear that Bochy is looking for any reason to yank him — and only him — from the lineup.
He's a rookie and a highly touted prospect.
The organization should be looking to help him too.
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Hey so there's this really important skill you're good at
That you’re supposed to learn to do on a professional level, but you can only do it maybe twice a month. But don’t worry you can sit and watch a guy who’s blind and probably brain damaged do it instead. Then you’re supposed to know exactly how to do that skill that you never had any chance to work on without even getting a chance to work on it. But damn, if you can’t do it right then and there, back to the blind and brain damaged dude rolling softly to second.
But
if you continually making the same mistakes (in Bochy’s eyes) over and over again why not producing…why should he play?
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Why are you defending Bochy’s position and criticizing other’s defense of Belt when it’s abundantly clear that Bochy’s eyes and gut and brain is are and ever shall be wrong, wrong, wrong? This is being a contrarian for the sake of being a contrarian.
I do believe that Belt is being overpatient…he falls behind way to much and is often hitting with 2 strikes on him. That is just not a good approach.
Belt clearly has the bat speed and talent to be a good hitter but it’s hard to show that talent when the bat is on his shoulders…I wish there was a stat on strike out looking…
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I see what you're saying. Belt's strikeouts are comical right now.
I see it as a battle of “Shit, I’ve gotta swing or I’m gonna be benched” vs. “But I’ve always hit this way”… which is a rookie problem that can be fixed by playing consistently.
I disagree.
Yeah he Ks too much but I like his patience. If this is his problem than it is a better problem to have than hacking at slop.
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as soon as Belt figures out the difference
between “good patience” and “bad patience”, he’ll take off.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Patience is one thing
but looking for the perfect pitch is another. Belt clearly has the ability to hit the ball well if the pitch is good to hit but can he hit the ones that are not so good but may still be called strikes?
In the minors, pitchers are not as fine/pinpoint as they are in the majors so there are more mistakes. In the major, mistakes are far and few.
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but can he hit the ones that are not so good but may still be called strikes?
You mean pitchers’ pitches?
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Maybe
but I think Belt is used to the fact in the minors that you can lay off a close pitch because there will likely be a better pitch to hit to follow..
In the majors, sometimes the only pitches you may get to hit are the close ones.
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0-2 pitches are different because you have to protect the plate but if a pitcher gets a borderline call early in the count you can’t fault the hitter for taking a close one. If that pitch missed you are in a much better position to get something good.
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I’m still not sure how he’s supposed to learn this skill by getting no PA’s in the majors.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’s probably very confused right now. The terminology the Giants’ organization uses is “your pitch,” and he probably has not had enough time to assimilate all the coaching, benchings and exasperation with his own experience and approach just yet… but if given consistent playing time — as in, the rest of the season — that should sort itself out… one way or the other.
Agreed
conflict resolved.
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LOOK AT HUFF!!!!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
This is almost (but not quite) as good as the moon landing conspiracist in the last thread.
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Oh.
That guy. It took about a second to decide to ignore every post made by that account when I first saw it.
No.
Young players who do that, do that. Young players the orgs have a hard-on for get put into a spot and stay till they work out how to be a Major League hitter. The Giants don’t let that happen, as an organizational rule, so the only option for a kid is to hit .400 in their first 50 AB’s and then not slump too hard.
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Not really
If he hits .400 in his first 50 at-bats, it doesn’t matter how hard he slumps. See: Velez, Eugenio.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
It’s hard to hit your way into the lineup on the bench. That’s the point, he has had 150 plate appearances, not even at-bats, PLATE APPEARANCES!!! DAMNIT FUCKING SUTPID SHIT BOCHY PLEASE PLAY BELT FOR THEIS YEAR NA D NEXT 15 years….ugh.
Bochy should not be allowed to evaluate hitters
He was a horrible hitter.
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Actual breaking news
Bochy is going to be on All Things Considered tonight to talk about the missing Giants fan identified as “Billy.” Bochy will speak with Robert Siegel in a story that airs in the D segment of the second hour, at 2:54, 4:54 and 6:54 p.m. Pacific Time.
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No, it’s a two-way that I’m reasonably certain was taped earlier in the day.
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This is really good news. Thanks TL2. Hopefully, someone who hears it will have some information about Billy.
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by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll try to post the audio when it becomes available, but I may not have time to get over here until tomorrow morning.
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Okay, thanks. I should be able to listen to the 6:54 broadcast.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s starting today against a right-hander, mostly because he hit a home run last night against a left-hander. That makes sense.
And he gets paid to make these decisions!
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 7, 2011 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
A long list of Bochy fuckery logic
one of my favorite examples was Sunday’s game against the Bags when we had a one of our few runners in scoring position with a 1-0 lead in the bottom of the 7th and Eli coming up and said how he wouldn’t want to PH for Whiteside because “you know, you have a catcher out there catching a shutout. you don’t want to change that.”
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:28 PM PDT reply actions
never forget
Cabrera was batting in front of him! And didn’t manage to get a hit to score a run. Who coulda thunk it?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You don’t. Want to switch catchers mid stream during a shutout, I mean.
I’ll admit it might have been time to ignore the orthodoxy in that instance, but generally you want to leave well enough alone when your pitcher is in a groove.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
All aboard the SSS train!
vs. Aaron Harang:
Whiteside: 9 PA .556/.556/.778
Cabrera: 5 PA .600/.600/1.000
Fontenot: 27 PA .304/.370/.739
Keppinger: 9 PA .222/.222/.333
Huff: 15 PA .077/.200/.154
Belt: 2 PA .000/.000/.000
very clear
we go with two shortstops. The strategy used will be once the grounder clanks off of Orlando “Iron Mitten’s” glove that Fonte is there to pick up the ball and throw the runner out. A tailor made 6-6-3.
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
But Belt is a left fielder and Pill is a 1st baseman. Reward Pill for his dinger. Put Belt in left.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Sep 7, 2011 1:29 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't they normally kneel?
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Whoa. Neal Prey....
…I knew that guy.
Told a fabulous story about Uncle Bobo throwing a dude in front of a bus in front of Winterland before 1972 NYE…..
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 7, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s Catholics.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
How about...
What do you call an altar boy after his private session with the priest?
Giants baseball: Together We're Crippled
the day my goodwill for Bruce Bochy dried up and flew away in the wind
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 7, 2011 1:30 PM PDT reply actions
NOW I ACTUALLY HATE BRETT PILL
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
you should be rejoicing
if he puts up a few more good games he’s a lock for next year’s roster.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
/sob
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The twitter account @BaggsCommenters rules
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
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Keith Law is a jerk who hates the Giants and said we weren’t gonna win the WS last year, what does that guy now?
Have we forgotten?
Bork was our Manager last year? Who in their right fucking mind, as good as the Giants were, could have predicted the Giants would win the WS? Odds Defied.
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Keith Law is a jerk
Zero Bearing on his knowledge of baseball
who hates the Giants
Keith Law hates every team. Ask any fan. Keith Law hates his team.
said we weren’t gonna win the WS last year
That is what being an underdog means. Everyone pick against you. Again, nothing special about Keith Law.
what does that guy now
I don’t now.
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Great stuff Grant
Glad to see you closed that hole in your writing. We’ll keep you with the big club for now.
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Bruce Bochy to to Baggs on April 18
Belt saw 33 pitches in his five plate appearances yesterday at Arizona, the most of any big leaguer in Sunday’s games. So I asked Bochy: At what point do quality at-bats count when you aren’t barreling up pitches?
"Well, it’s all about getting the good part of the bat on the ball," Bochy said. "I talked to him abotu it today. But also, when you talk about productive at-bats, it can be a productive out, like moving a runner, or maybe seeing six or seven pitches. That’s what quality guys have the ability to do, too.
"I think there is a fine line there, especially if you’re a little late. He had some pretty good pitches to hit and he’s been a little late. That tells you he hasn’t been quite aggressive enough."
"It’s fair to say Brandon is struggling at the plate. He’s searching."
He won’t get what he’s after ’till the day he dies.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I try not to say anything negative about Bochy’s character or fitness for the job.
But boy is that infuriating.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
yet the same issues after 150 PAs
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while I don't disagree with you at this point
I feel that there is a lot of explaining/defending of Belt…first it was we need to get him more than 100 PAs and now 150 PAs are not enough. First it was he will be great once they give him some starts, now it’s hey he can’t play well because Bochy hasn’t played him enough…
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There's a lot of defending of Belt
Because, for all the “issues” he’s had, he’s still been as statistically productive as any other first baseman on the roster. AND, his success in the minors should indicate that he’ll be an even more productive hitter over time.
I think most of us think that giving Belt at-bats gives the team a better chance to win AND gives Belt a chance to develop into a very good major league hitter.
by otis29 on Sep 7, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is true but only because Huff has been so terrible. Maybe I have been jaded by Bowkermania or the love over Nate but I feel like there are a lot of excuses for Belt now…
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and
the alternatives that got extended playing time were not Albert Pujols and Curtis Granderson, but Aubrey Huff and Aaron Rowand.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not saying he is either…just that there are a lot of excuses.
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Excuses? Is “he hasn’t had a sufficient time starting every day to determine whether he’s good or not” an excuse?
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When he says it, it’s an explanation. When you say it, it’s an excuse.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No
now it’s hey it’s Sabean/Bochy’s fault for jerking him around
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Partly it is. He would have much better stats if he was given regular starts.
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I buy that lack of PAs…I don’t buy the mental aspect…he’s a rookie, you should expect something like that.
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What mental aspect?
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he can’t hit now because Bochy/Sabean has jerked him around.
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not that it's okay
it’s life…rookies in every professional sports get short leashes.
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That is because hitting live pitching is something that should be practiced with repetition. I doubt he is up there thinking about how Bochy doesn’t believe in him and then swinging like he is Daria in gym class.
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Na na na na na
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
It’s not something that is directly translatable from other sports. You can practice how to break a tackle, or how to take a shot in a pick-up game against a defense. Sure there’s adjusting that needs to be done, but it’s not nearly the same as necessary reps in the batter’s box against pitchers you don’t know trying to get you out. This is why Bochy’s play the hot hand for the entire line-up philosophy irks me so much. Eventually everyone is just out of practice.
Now here's an example of someone reacting to a player's small sampling
like I do an entire team’s. It’s 150 scattered plate appearances for a guy the organization — Bochy included — believes(ed) has a promising future, so much so that they wanted him to start that future this season.
?
I want him to start everyday and think he will be a good player…I am just talking about the now.
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So… then… I guess what CalBear is saying is that he’s not better “by enough” in Bochy’s eyes… which suddenly makes our defense of Belt for that reason to be bothersome? Weird.
And, weird.
And… just plain strange.
?
I don’t think people wanting Belt to play everyday is wrong…I support this for no other reason then 1) he’s young and 2) Huff is terrible.
All I am saying about Belt and Bochy is that Belt seems to have not changed (for better or worse) in his hitting approach and it has placed him in Bochy’s doghouse.
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And all everyone else is saying
Is that he probably needs more than 150 PAs (and non-continuous PAs at that) to make those changes.
You seem to be jumping back and forth between defending Bochy and trying to explain his thinking. I think we all understand the latter, so I’m not sure you need to go there.
Bochy's quote from March 2011
"I liked what I’ve seen from him on both sides of the ball," Bochy said of Belt. "Quality at-bats, good balance, good discipline at the plate — you see why he had the year he had last year."
y'know, the only good thing about Belt struggling and getting sent back down
Is that we didn’t have to cut Nate, which sure as hell looked like a possibility during the first half of Spring Training
I just can’t see myself spending three hours watching a game in which Belt is not starting. At this point, his potential development is really the only thing that interests me about this team.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Sep 7, 2011 1:36 PM PDT reply actions
Surkamp has been interesting in a maddeningly slow sort of way.
by wcw on Sep 7, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
too late for that
you’re going to have to be ready to chant that in March, when the team will decide who will be the best players on the team.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 7, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy said "we think we’re putting our best club out there to win this game today."
This the problem with not playing Belt
The real problem is that he might actually think this.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I agree 100%
When it comes to prospect management, it seems this team has no clue.
Posey, who was an easy decision to start, has pretty much covered that up.
And the entire pitching staff.
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Question
I watched the video right when the game ended last night and didn’t see anyone congratulating Surkamp. Did I miss it or was it like "Fuck You rook for giving up 3 in 5 and getting a “W” you run mongering bitch" from Timmeh, Matt and Vogie?
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
It could easily be neither of those.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Holy crap. A thought just occurred
Bochy, Meulens and Wotus have somewhere else to be after every game. That’s why they keep the lineup filled with “Swing first, ask questions later” guys so the game can end quickly. Rags is jealous so he makes sure his players keep the games close enough to go extras frequently to spite the rest.
You may be on to something
but actually, Bochy is probably pissed when games go extras. Keep the pitchers moving the game along, work quickly, don’t walk anyone, don’t hold runners on, let them steal us blind, “just work fast bitches and let’s get outta here!”
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
His Gut or those Vienna Sausages he has for phalanges?
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by Penitentiary Face on Sep 7, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt’s performance has definitely been a let down from my day dreams last year of him hitting home runs with one hand and repeatedly punching David Eckstein in the face with his other hand.
That being said, Belt is one of the highest regarded position prospects we’ve ever had. EVER. Are scouts off base sometimes? Or course they are. Belt could end up being a dud. What baffles me is that he has received worse treatment than some of the WORST position prospects the Giants have ever had during Bochy’s tenure.
Im sure there is a lot of pressure on Bochy given his success last year and he is just doing what he thinks is best. However, its hard to not to be extremely upset with how poorly the FO and our Manager have coordinated on his development. I find it hard to believe that there is a single person in that organization who could honestly say that they are happy with how things have been handled on the Belt front
by Rdubya on Sep 7, 2011 2:02 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
What gets me
Is the constant yo-yo of Belt going between the Majors and Minors. If Bochy wants to stick with Huff because that’s his guy and he has loyalty to Huff because of last year, that’s fine. Managers should be loyal to players.
Then keep Belt in the minors the entire year. I can’t imagine what his confidence is right now after a season of going back in forth between the Majors and Minors.
I think Belt's confidence will be ok
It still must be extremely frustrating for him now though
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Of course.
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Heck, I didn’t even think about that angle. I just meant a more general exasperation with the litany of coverage these tropical systems are getting.
CNN breathlessly screams, “WHY ARE WE SEEING THESE STORMS? WHY NOW?”
Because it’s hurricane season, you dolts.
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You can’t. THEY’VE BEEN LOST. THERE ARE NO HURRICANES.
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, my buddy says New York’s been getting creamed by a storm for the past couple days.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That has nothing to do with Nate, but is connected to the remnants of Tropical Storm Lee.
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/grabs crotch
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Vitriol
He stared at the door as if concentration would somehow bring 49er16 back. Sighing, he sat down on the couch. The first thing he saw was the model of the Apollo 11 lunar module they’d been working on that night. They were working without instructions because 49er16 lost the telemetry data in the Van Allen belts.
Like the two of them, it was imperfect. Some of the antennas pointed in the wrong direction, and Letter was pretty sure the ladder had been glued on upside-down. But the imperfections were what gave it character. Just like their stormy friendship.
He stood up and opened the front door. The street outside was eerily quiet, except for Brandon Belt laying prone on the sidewalk, weeping.
“At least I’m not that guy,” Letter said, and closed the door.
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by TheLetter2 on Sep 7, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
BWAHAHAHAHA!!
/tosses you over my shoulder and carries you off.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
So, so wrecked.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You know...
HAARP has been testing weather as a weapon recently hmmm.
Lol Jk.
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by Anonymous1337 on Sep 7, 2011 2:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
2012 Time for Re-Evaluation
Here are some givens for 2012.
Lincecum, Cain, Vogelsong, Bumgarner, Surkamp
Casilla, Romo, Affeldt, Lopex, Ramirez, Wilson
Leadoff Someone who can get on base Brown 8?
Keppinger 4
Sandoval 5
Clean Up Someone who can drive in runs 7. Belt we are still waiting for that big po to step up. Potential.
Posey 3
Schierholtz 9
Catcher Hopefully one of the young kids from the farm
Crawford 6
Torrez see ya.
Sanchez J trade bait
Sanchez F please get better. I love this guy.
Zito cut loose
Runzler cut loose. This guy gets the runzlers every time he takes the mound.
Derosa cut loose. Great bench guy Bochy. Been stuck there for 12 million dollars.
Huff will be back. Can’t trade him.
Ross Great guy. Just can’t make contact regularly. See ya.
Cabrera see ya. Five years of watching statues play shortstop is enough.
Whiteside Stewart one of you will stay as backup.
I like it. Jobu
Brown won’t be in SF until Sept. 2012 at the earliest. Guy still doesn’t have a single at bat above high-A.
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do people think Gary Brown's going to jump directly from High A to the majors?
And excuse my ignorance here, but has this ever really worked out?
I can’t think of an example off the top of my head.
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, I can’t believe I forgot him.
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
BOCKOCKET!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
Buster played only played a half season of AAA before being called up in 2009.
Mike Trout play high A ball last year…
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LOL U!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, and Gary Brown isn’t anywhere close to the same caliber of prospect as Posey and Trout.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Who was the HOFer that never even played in the minors?
I feel like it was someone on either the Yankees or the Cards.
I wanna say Berra, but then I remember a story about him having 23 RBIs in a doubleheader in the minors…
The first six innings are overrated.
Al Kaline is the player you are searching for, I believe.
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Also Mel Ott, Sandy Koufax, Bob Feller, and Dave Winfield.
George Sisler, oddly, only played in the minors after his major league career, but not before.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
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by free f.p. #14 on Sep 7, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
The only reason Posey was ever played was because the fans forced it by not coming to the ballpark.
The only reason Tejada and Rowand were cut was because the fans forced it by constant booing.
The only reason Zito was signed is because Sabean thought it would bring more fans to the ballpark.
It’s obvious that Sabean considers his job to be in marketing – not winning.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Sep 7, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
1) Sabean traded away Molina to play Buster
2) Tejada didn’t really play after coming of the injuries and Rowand did not play most of last season
3) Zito was likely signed because of McGowan
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You can choose to consider it a coincidence that Buster wasn’t even called up until the Giants attendance started drastically dropping.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Sep 7, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Or both could have been a reaction to the team struggling offensively.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
yes…the drop in attendance had to do with the team being 2 games above .500 before July 2010.
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MAGOWAN, YOU HAYSEED!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew I spelled his name wrong
but was too lazy to look it up.
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That’s a lot of conjecture.
Beltran and Huff got booed, too, and probably more than Tejada if not Rowand as well.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Of course they did. But it was Tejada and Rowand that were the blood sacrifice made to appease the fans.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Sep 7, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
and because they sucked.
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Crawford suuuuuuuuuuuucks
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
This kind of shit is why people think you are a dick.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 7, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Man
Do you really have to disparage Crawford every time you see his name?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
hahahah did grant just call bochy a jackass? or a claymation automobile?
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I have now gained apathy against Borks lineups
I shall instead save my energy to bitch about it next year.
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Tyler Graham?
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by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I like this kid. He hit over 300 last year but only around 270 this year. Kind of lost in the shuffle with all those tree trunks we have played in the outfield. Rowand, Burrell, and yes Belt moves like shit in the outfield. But Posey won’t see another game behind the plate.
But Posey won’t see another game behind the plate.
This isn’t true.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 7, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s hard to imagine a way the Giants could have dickered him around any more
it’s almost like Boch was trying to sabotage the poor guy.
Of course, I feel like that’s what Bochy has tried to do to the entire team since he’s been here.
Over
I might have found a different pic of belt. the caption for that shot could be "I don't care>"
he really looks bored out there
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was there any discussion of the hilarious facebook comments on last night’s post game thread?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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“Is this a test to see who actually reads your musings? Pill does NOT have 1/2 the Giants homeruns at Petco, and Surkamp is not 18 years older than MadBum.”
“Seems like you’ve been on the fritz lately.. or are you just coming unravelled?”
“good catch, dave. good catch…”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That first one cannot be serious. (Though, for a second, I thought that it was possible the Giants only had 2 homers ever at Petco.)
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by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm pretty sure they're serious
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Apparently Fox has been blocking a gay GOP candidate from debates. I wonder if he made this one.
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Karger? Not a chance. They’re claiming that he hasn’t gotten the minimum 1% in enough major polls.
Even though he has.
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also i was like 100% sure this was going to happen
belt will probably not play the rest of the year and then be traded in the offseason
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m far more concerned with the decision to start Christian than Pill. If Ross moves to center and Belt plays in left, I’m happy.
"Pablo Sandoval, coming around third like a runaway beer truck." - Kruk
I suppose you could look at it as Pill over Huff and Christian over Belt. Also weird considering RHP.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they’ll find a batting helmet that fits Christian before gametime today. Dude looked like Rick Moranis in Spaceballs last night.
Darren Ford’s always used to fall off, and I was like, “THAT ISN’T SAFE YOU GUYS!”
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I took it as both over Belt.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Young Roberto Clemente was a pretty crappy hitter. “The reincarnation of an old Roberto Clemente” would have made more sense.
That’s just sloppy.
Also, reading these posts (50 PA’s are not predictive, the Giants should play prospects instead of struggling veterans) after having missed an entire season is a weird experience. I mean, you could have written this post 6 months ago, just leaving a few Mad-Libs-styled blanks, knowing it will come in handy by the end of the year. I’ve watched, from beginning to end, maybe 2 games this season, but I can safely assume that you’ve written similar posts to this at least 5 times in the past few months.
What I’m trying to say is that this is probably just some social experiment, trying to determine how many times you’re going to be willing to write the same things before genuinely losing your mind. Though, I haven’t been here for a while, maybe you already have.
Has jponry taken over yet?
She is derailing her efforts in a spectacular fashion with her Game of Thrones discussion addiction. It is a glorious sight to behold.
i'm busy molding the minds of the next generation of MCCers
so that when the time comes, they will bring Grant down with me, an army.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
it’s like making my army of wights tbh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
my army of wights
Whoa, hey… come on.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
HI!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
A's Baseball:
Take our word for it.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
If you have the MLB Network they’re showing the game there
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?topic_id=6350584
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I think I have delete too many people from my FB feed.
It hardly ever updates now.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
You want my Avon-selling friend?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
OT - BSB lineup announced
The lineup for Neil Young’s annual Bridge School Benefit Concert has been announced. And it’s a mammoth bill in celebration of the concert’s silver anniversary, which takes place at the Shoreline Amphitheatre in Mountain View, California, Oct. 22-23.
Young will be joined by Arcade Fire, Eddie Vedder, Dave Matthews, Mumford and Sons, Beck and Los Invisibles featuring Carlos Santana for the weekend festivities.
Other artists listed on concert’s official site include jazz queen Diana Krall (Saturday), Tony Bennett (Sunday) and Foo Fighters (Sunday).
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I thought “BSB” meant Backstreet Boys for a second.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Sep 7, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
No
that would be a former Nsync member
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Awesome lineup!!
Despite the fact that the inclusion of Arcade Fire makes me want to throw up in my mouth
Foo Fighters, Dave Matthews, Beck….!!!!
Ed’s playing solo because the rest of the guy’s will be down vacationing in Brazil before a South American Tour starting in November. I caught his show at the Paramount in July and it was f-ing amazing.
No-no over :(
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Preliminary summary of the Bochy interview...
…from today’s ATC: Where Is Billy? A SF Giants Fan Goes Missing and a Team Goes Searching.
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So are we still in this thing?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
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