Post-game thread: It's about time to start living in the past
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 4, 2011 4:21 PM PDT
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PrintWell, that was that. The next goal is to get close enough to the Diamondbacks to allow us to blame the whole season on Scott Cousins. Buster Posey is worth, what, twenty wins? Thirty? So the Giants still have a shot to stay that close. There's nothing better than childishly saying "But if it weren't for ..." after losing. It makes you feel better, and it annoys the other side. Win/win. Except for the losing.
When Cody Ross hit a leadoff home run, every single Giants fan watching said, "Well, there's our run." It would be a tired joke if it were a joke. It wasn't a joke. No one who said that chuckled afterwards. It's not funny.
It's amazing to think where the Giants were at the trading deadline. That seems like a half-season ago. They were in first place by a couple of games, they had just traded for Carlos Beltran, and they had all sorts of home games coming up, most of them against sub-.500 teams. Since the start of August, the Giants have had seven series at home. They lost five and split two. A team that goes almost two months between series wins at home isn't a team that deserves the playoffs.
While the addition of a fifth team to the playoff hunt is already repugnant on a couple of levels, this really makes it hit home: The Giants would still be in the thick of the playoff chase right now. This team, this tired, offensive wasteland would be just a game or two behind the Cardinals for the fifth spot. And if they actually outlasted the Cardinals? They'd play a one-game playoff against the team with the fourth-best record to see who would advance to the NLDS. That record would belong to the Diamondbacks.
How would that be fair? What haven't the Diamondbacks already proven that they'd need to prove in a one game playoff? Just ugly. Think of this Giants team the next time you read about a realignment proposal that would add another playoff team. This team should be relegated to The Football League, not be in line for a one-game playoff.
The Giants could still win seven games in a row, and the Diamondbacks could lose seven games in a row. It's baseball! But, yeah. You're forgiven if you start to rosterbate furiously for the next week or four months. Prince Fielder is a free agent, don't you know? Maybe the Giants can trade Matt Cain to free agency for him.
And that joke in the first paragraph about what the next goal is? That one was supposed to be silly, but there are two legitimate goals: stay over .500, and stay in second place. Losing the division isn't humiliating after a World Series championship. Things happen. Slipping to 80-82 while the Dodgers pull ahead? That'd be pretty humiliating. Though maybe that would mean the Giants' first-round pick would be protected, so they wouldn't have to give it up when they sign Raul Ibanez.
See? I can be optimistic in the face of a loss, too.
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AND THE MERCY SEAT IS WAITING
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
AND IN A WAY I'M YEARNING TO BE DONE WITH ALL THIS MEASURING OF TRUTH
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
AND ANYWAY I TOLD THE TRUTH
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
ugh
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
by Falconer88 on Sep 4, 2011 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
well, shit
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 4, 2011 4:24 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It’s amazing to think where the Giants were at the trading deadline. That seems like a half-season ago. They were in first place by a couple of games, they had just traded for Carlos Beltran, and they had all sorts of home games coming up, most of them against sub-.500 teams. Since the start of August, the Giants have had seven series at home. They lost five and split two. A team that goes almost two months between series wins at home isn’t a team that deserves the playoffs.
This is honestly amazing. I really can’t believe things went so ass-backwards since then.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
we were so optimistic then
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
OT: I finished rereading A Clash of Kings today
And I realized that Arya was hanging out in Harrenhal with her betrothed without either one knowing it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Much of my youth was made rancid by Giant collapses of this August’s sort.
And yet, I’ve emerged. Y’all will too. The next year is quite likely to be much better all the way through.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
you emerged, yes, but you’re damaged.
not all walk out of it alive
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I prefer “twisted” to “damaged.”
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I’LL USE THE WORDS I PLEASE, GOOD SIR!!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Youth Made Rancid
would be a good name for a band.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Was she engaged to a specific Frey at the time? Because the Bolton fake engagement didn’t happen until after the RW.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
As part of the deal to get Robb’s army across the Twins in GOT, Catelyn agreed to marry Robb to an unspecified Frey daughter/granddaughter and to marry Arya to Elmar Frey, who ends up at Harrenhal when Bolton is there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The first indication that the Freys are pissed about something is Elmar crying about how he doesn’t get to marry his princess anymore to Arya (who is said princess).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Okay, thanks
I don’t have a good memory for Frey names.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I don't think even Freys do
but when I was rereading today, I suddenly made the connection. Then I flipped through all 4 pages of the Frey appendix to figure out if it was the right guy!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I was actually flipping through some of the appendices in AGOT today, and I was like “Hey, are the Martells in here?” And they were. And it included all the details about how they always pass succession on to the oldest living child, even if it’s a girl, and it included all the names and details of Elia’s death and the names of all the Sand Snakes, and I was like, whoa. This shit’s been planned out.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
yeah, I forgot for a while that Game had those little house-description tidbits
But there’s actually some pretty cool shit. I think there’s a timeline of Targaryen kings, too.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
There is
That’s a little less surprising though, just because Viserys explains some of it to Dany, so you can understand that GRRM might have had to work it out, or he might have wanted to include it just so you as a reader could follow it or something.
But the Martells don’t show up for two more books. That’s like a whole other level of planning.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I wonder if he has notes somewhere in his house of every single house in Westeros.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I was thinking the exact same thing the other day!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
They’re pretty much all named either some variation on Walder, or after an important member of some other house they wanted to curry favor with.
Ugh fucking Freys.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The Targaryen-named Freys make me lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
nah, this was from the first book
Part of Cat’s original deal with Lord Walder was that Arya would marry a Frey if the Starks got her back. The Frey chosen was Elmar, who ended up as Roose Bolton’s squire.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Here it is
The PGT after the high point of this season: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/7/28/2302002/post-game-thread-carlos-beltran-1-national-league-0
It’s like looking at the plaster casts of people who were trapped at Pompeii. They had no idea what was coming.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
all house of the undying up in this bitch
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
three injuries shall you face
one by family, one by roadside, one by schism
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
EVEN MONEY NERBS!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
and they dropped Crawford/Burriss/Ford/Belt
for no energy
we will always have 2010
Trade Sabean/jk...Overthrow the Ydorks...
I have been thinking about this
It is glorious and yet horrifying to behold. It is a spectacle that will make you made just by glancing at it.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
I glanced at it and I DO feel made. Like a made guy. Fuggedaboudit!
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh don't you dare make fun of my typos!
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
What does YOUR tequila have? Fuggedaboudit!
/vows to talk/type like a made guy for a full year.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
screw this
i’m headed to the Little Giants game in SJ to watch a real offense.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 4:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Afterwards, tell us what that’s like.
2011 SF Giants: We are disappoint.
by Lyle on Sep 4, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t worry guys! Krukow said before the game this wasn’t a must win!
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 4:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
wat
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Yesterday’s was.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 4, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to believe all those games vs the Astros were.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Must I explain “denial” to you?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
if you can’t beat the worst team in baseball….
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I know it’s over, trust me. But I’ll still root for the team.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
It’s really gonna piss me off when Bochy Randy Winns his lineup for the rest of the year and plays Huff over Belt.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I am reminded of 08
When the Giants were well and truly out of it and we get the veteran lineup on September 2nd.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
this
as soon as Bochy put Ramon Ramirez in I was like WTF?!?!
This is the third tie game in a row that Ramirez has been put in to hold the tie late in the ballgame and has subsequently tossed it up. Today, The ten inning game vs the astros last week, and the tie game vs. the padres right before that. WTF?!?!
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
it’s for the same reason he let Cabrera and Whitey bat in the 7th with a man on base. WTF is the point of roster expansion?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He was married to a fetus?
That’s, um, unusual.
His wife wasn’t birth due to his Romo’s available?
by Hyoton on Sep 4, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Rex Ryder Romo cost us this game.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 4:27 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
HUMAN POLLUTION!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 4, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't believe Vogelsong has to stand there
And claim that the loss was his fault, that he didn’t do his job. What a bunch of bullshit. How about he grabs one of the recorders in his face and throws a four-seamer at the back of Orlando Cabrera’s head? I think that’d answer the reporters questions.
It was his fault. They scored their daily run. Make it stand up!
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 4:29 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This
it’s infuriating because you know that your team struggles offensively, you KNOW that they cant put rallies together easily, put your best defense out there in the late innings
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
actually
normally, i don’t blame these kind of losses on the pitchers cause, well, we have a putrid offense that isn’t worthy of standing on a baseball diamond. But today… it kinda was his fault. among other people’s of course (pablo not being able to knock in beltran after his triple. belt not getting torres to second so the sac fly would have scored him, etc)
But in the 8th inning Vogey got sloppy with his command that had held them down the rest of the game. He got away with a couple to Chris Young, and I was sitting here knowing that Bochy wouldn’t take him out cause his pitch count was so low, but wishing he would cause I could just see what was gonna happen the way he was throwing that inning.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah no excuse for the home run to roberts he hung one
but don’t tell me you don’t want Crawford taking a crack at that ground ball that was an infield hit I think he has a good chance of throwing him out
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
If the only thing a starting pitcher gives up is two runs in the eighth inning, a loss can not possibly be his fault at all ever.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
by groug on Sep 4, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 9 recs
it's late in the season
late in the ballgame. he knew what he would probably get coming in to the game. and if he hoped for more, at least by the eigth inning he should have realized that this was likely going to be it. it was an important game and in those kind of games you just can’t afford to hang one. obviously it’s unfair to the pitchers overall. but in the context of the game and situation… yeah, it’s his fault this time.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes because pitchers shouldn’t ever be allowed to give up one damn run. He gave up 1 run. The bullpen gave up the other one because they couldn’t get the bottom of the order out either. Don’t hang this on Vogelsong. Hang it on Bochy not knowing who is best relievers are (not Ramirez, who hasn’t been good for a month), and for the fucking offense scoring one fucking run AGAIN.
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 4, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Coming from someone with that username
Dude… I don’t even know.
Gotta be chasm.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 4, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
This is dumb shit
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Seriously
We scored 1 fucking run and you’re blaming the game on the pitcher?
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
WELL WHO GAVE UP THAT ONE RUN, SMART GUY?!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It was one run and man on first and one out when he left the game. Too bad they can’t give that loss to the bullpen. That was an easily manageable situation.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 4:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
moar green here
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
This makes me happy.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
/Sabean sits in office, pounding his magic 8 ball on the desk, crying, “You worked last year, why not NOW!?”
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like Willie Fucking Bloomquist has hit about .500 against the Giants this year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Sep 4, 2011 4:29 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Sabean Gambled
And it didn’t work…
Unless you have the Yankees or Red Sox roster, sticking with your team because of 2 months of great play is just stupid.
it pisses me off more than anything that the whole mess started with neck-tat
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 4:30 PM PDT reply actions
You are welcome to blame George Lucas
But you may never, NEVER, blame Star Wars.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Orlando Cabrera is quickly becoming one of my most hated Giants ever
He’s not really that bad compared to Benitez or AJ, but Jesus Christ.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 4:31 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
He's symbolic of a larger problem
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Sep 4, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
Maybe now the kids will get to play for the last few weeks
I really wish I could believe that though. You know Cabrera will be starting the last day of the season when we’re 10 out.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
he's such a perfect symbol
Giants trade a fan-beloved prospect with some upside for an aging vet, who replaces another vet (DFAd in a brief sign of hope), and then proceeds to be one of the absolute worst hitters and fielders on the team, while a utilityman with better projections and a fan-favorite prospect sit on the bench.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
It's the most Sabean move ever
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
by marcello on Sep 4, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
ACADEMIC
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
The huddled masses were not clamoring for Orlando Cabrera
It says a lot that even in the rosterbatory frenzy of late July, I didn’t see his name brought up a single time. Nobody was asking for Orlando Cabrera, not even in their wildest scenarios.
This is one of those events that really exposes the process for what it is. Last year, when the Giants got Jose Guillen, one could look at that deal and see through it that the front office thought RBIs were a useful statistic, because there was nothing about Jose Guillen save his RBI totals that would render him at all useful to a team attempting to win baseball games. Orlando Cabrera didn’t even have a useless statistic like RBIs going for him. He did, however, have his streak of four consecutive playoff appearances with four different teams. The front office looked at that and didn’t see random chance; they saw a player who was a winner and as such indispensable to a winning team. I don’t need to say why that’s asinine.
I wish I could come to a different conclusion, but I can’t. It’s academic.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Jose Guillen was the most Sabean move ever until Orlando Cabrera happened
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
by marcello on Sep 5, 2011 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Don't hate hi
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 4:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't hate him
Hate the GM who thought he was an upgrade, and the manager who writes his name in every day.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 4:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't know if this team needs an exorcist or a sin-eater
but there’s a Twilight Zone feeling to watching these games over the last month.
Life is so much sweeter ever since TGWTWS
I have a feeling that this isn't our year
D-Backs’ pitching and hitting is balanced and they have shown that they are not afraid of going down without a fight. Sure we may have won game 1 of this series, but after that, our offense disappeared while their offense produced enough runs to keep the Giants out of reach. We’re gonna need a miracle to get the NL West division lead back.
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
This has been obvious for at least two weeks now.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Only two weeks if you think that GiantPain’s odds-making is truth. Longer than that if you don’t.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
We never even made a bet!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I don't think it will change anything but,
It really is time to play the kids. It won’t happen, but it can’t COST us anything at this point. I want Belt in there every fucking day. I want to see if Hector Sanchez can be a serviceable backup next year to Posey and get a feel for this staff. I want Crawford to be Not Cabrera. Hell, I am not a Pill believer, but I want to see what the guy can do. There is no way they can be worse than what we have seen this year. It is not gonna cost us the playoffs. Sticking with washed up assholes all year cost us the playoffs. Time to look at next year while remembering fondly the awesomeness of last year.
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 4, 2011 4:39 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Maybe they felt they owed them that because TGWTWS. Hopefully that feeling is gone now, and no sentimentality is involved in future decisions.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 4:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
There shouldn’t be in ANY form of work. The idiocy in which this season was operated by the FO and manager was the least surprising thing I have ever seen. We all knew that when things would start going really bad, Sabean would panic and make a dumb decision (Cabrera). We knew that given the options of gritty gamers and younger players, who Bochy would choose. It just showed more and more, that last year was dumb luck, and one of the most amazing pitching staffs in recent history.
Suck it Mat Latos rolls off the tongue so nicely
by Cant_buy_a_run on Sep 4, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SO MUCH THIS^^
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes it is
this year is over; what a waste of great pitching; time to spend some $$ on real hitters
Unfortunately
BS might go out and pay someone like Hideki Matsui $7 million to hit .200
A guy named Steve Delabar will get called up someday.
LOL
Totally a Sabean move
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
panic signings incoming
There will be more than one, most like.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This would be a good place to post our worst fears
I’ll go with Jimmy Rollins, 5/$85M. That might work out for the first year or two.
I smell
a Cuddyer or Kubel for 5 years and zillions. If neither of them is desperate enough to risk the “terrible hitting environment”, it will be someone even more done for even more money.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It only struck me today how much of a lose/lose the Beltran situation was for Sabean. The trade looked bad at the time to a lot of us; Beltran provided marginal improvement over the remainder of the season compared to the existing OF options for the Giants, and cost a lot to get. And now, of course, the Giants completely tanked, making it all the worse. Sabean was watching the same offense all year that we were though, and had to have expected that a stretch of putrid offense plus some bad luck might be coming. Had he not made the trade, I imagine he’d be getting absolutely reamed by local media for not doing everything possible to help the Giants’ offense before the deadline. It is almost enough to make me feel sympathy for him.
But then, Cabrera. Sabean needs to DFA him, or Bochy needs to get his head on straight. There is no excuse for letting him see the field again this season. Crawford is probably not the answer (and that is generous), but this is the perfect time to give him some experience.
You’ll have to stop making sense if you want to stick around here, Ursa.
If that is your name.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
HE’S SPELLING CONSTELLATIONS!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Sabean/Beltran
No one wants to give up a Zach Wheeler but when you have one guy who can hit (Panda), you need two. You’re supposed to have at least three. I think the hope was that Beltran would help Aubrey and Cody and Andres get their heads on straight, win the division and give Carlos the feeling of home. Ergo, he’d sign for 2 years (which still wouldn’t be so bad, given our anemia). But no one got their head on straight; they shoved ‘em even further up their . . .
My biggest concern is not what happened (it’s done); it’s what happens when Timmy and Matt become free agents and they say, “I could be a Hall of Famer with a middle-of-the-pack offense.” Scares the sh@*t out of me to lose those two guys, and unless the offense is fixed (fast!) this team will be even worse to watch.
Don't believe everything you think.
I would at least like Wheeler back, even if Beltran did have a nice series.
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
Beltran heated up a little too late. Now the trade just looks like a gigantic waste.
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Beltran did a nice job this weekend of reminding San Francisco what a real major league hitter looks like.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 4, 2011 5:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Hey, Rx
What are your thoughts on us trying to sign Beltran? What kind of teammate was he in NY?
2011 SF Giants: We are disappoint.
a shellfish one
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Teammates say he frequently clammed up in the clubhouse
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
He spent too much time trying to mussel the ball out of the park
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Plus, I heard he was crabby as hell.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a crustacean!
Oyster oughta clobber you.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Sep 4, 2011 8:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I oyster clobber youse.
I’m walkin’ here!!
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Water under the bridge.
I’d be OK with Beltran if he could be signed reasonably, and not for ridiculously long term. He may be an important part of building the league average offense that Bowtie should put Savvy and Bork on notice concerning their minimum performance next year. Half the GMs and managers can do it, some no doubt just by falling out of bed. The window on this pitching staff just shrunk by one year.
It sucks to lose Wheeler
But I’m not really upset about the Beltran trade. The Cabrera trade on the other hand…
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
The worst part is that if there had been any sign of offensive life at all in the last six weeks, the division was right there for the taking.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
It sucks
The coast was clear for the Giants. They had a nice division lead and an easy ass schedule and couldn’t get it done. They don’t deserve to go the playoffs despite how much we want them to
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
You . . .
. . . are correct, sir.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Easy ass-schedule. Heheh.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
butt schedule
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
NL Worst
That this is a race at all is laughable, and the Giants are now crappy enough that the horrid Dodgers may catch them.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers have something to play for next weekend.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Let's Go Dodgers!
Save the Giants from losing draft picks!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodgers are actually the better team
They’ve been unlucky. 35 run differential relative to the Giants (27, -8), and if you look at the BP adjusted standings, Dogs should be in first, Giants in fourth. Too bad for them.
being better than
the Giants does not a “good” team make. At least this year. The whole division is a good argument for going back to two divisions.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I've always maintained that divisions are stupid
They should just play a balanced schedule and take the top four teams in each league.
I'd still rather
have just two teams, but I hate it a lot less than all the other terrible ideas. At least if they play a round robin we could see all the other teams in the league an equal number of times.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
You’ve lost it, my man. I can’t imagine a worse system. Well, okay, taking the top 8 as in the NBA would be worse, but still. Don’t you like divisional races?
Not really
I’m trying to get the best teams into the playoffs. Anyway, there would still be a race for the fourth spot.
In any case, there definitely should not be a wild card if they’re going to have an unbalanced schedule.
no
and this “divisional race” is a perfect example of why not. Divisions with fewer than 7 teams basically invite crappy teams to make the playoffs.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions
The problem with that is that it means a lot fewer meaningful games in September.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
"meaningful games"
between lousy teams are not meaningful and demean games that would otherwise be dramatic. Even if the Braves got within 5 games of the Phillies, the wild card makes their games totally meaningless this year. Not a good system.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Why? For our amusement?
Hopefully he’ll be ready to be called up sometime next season. The Giants really dont have a good centerfield and leadoff option for next season.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Booo
Why? It’s a lost season. Why burn service time?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Retire the flag, boys
It’s not that the Giants will not repeat the magic of 2010. Only the newbee fans thought that was possible. It’s that they are embarrassing themselves and the fans. When the G’s weren’t World Champs, only the SF faithful saw the futility of Sabean’s retreading the tires of the bus with has-been players. Auburey Huff and Pat Burrell are only the most recent incarnations of Dave Roberts and Randy Winn. But now the whole baseball world sees the pitiful display of old players trying to reclaim their glory years. The farm system won the world series and yet, Huff and Ross got contracts. And Tejada? Sigh. So on the bench sits Pill. Belt has been screwed with so many times, he doesn’t know what city he is in much less what position he plays. Giants once more prefer the vets over developing the new talent. Only the media forced them into playing Posey last year. Alas, Ralf of KNBR, where have you been this year?
Huff, Burrell, Roberts, Winn
Three of those guys had contracts the Giants found regrettable. Or at least Giant fans.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
I'm just glad the pain is gone
Replaced by a comforting numbness. Been that way since Wilson blew the save against Atlanta. I don’t think any loss all season made me as bitter and mad as that one. Ever since then though I guess I’ve been prepared for the worst still to come, so whatever.
We're going to look back on this season as nothing more than pissing away an entire season of Lincecum, Cain, Madbum and Vogelsong.
The real bitch of it is that Sabean can trot out the “We had so many injuries, and got close and we were playing meaningful games in September” bullshit that he’s so good at. Nothing will change next year. The lightning is out of the bottle and won’t be coming back anytime soon, but stubborn, stupid Sabean will continue to try to capture it with declining, overpaid gritty vets that stupid, obtuse Bochy will continue to play.
This franchise is a fucking joke, a once in a lifetime trophy notwithstanding.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 5:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Sabean will definitely blame the injuries for a lot of the teams problems, not without good reason. I don’t think he will be able to claim the team played meaningful games in September.
I don’t think they’ll get away with just doing the same for next season. Fans wont go out to the ballpark to see Huff hit into 4-3’s and strikeout. They’ll need to aqcuire a big name or two to provide better run support for the pitching staff otherwise people will just think things will end up as they did this season. Also, the pitching staff may not give their best effort if they know the front office and ownership isn’t trying to improve the offense.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The new way
Neukom seems interested in building the team with young talent. Magowan seems to have lost his job for making the Zito signing. I will not be surprised if Sabean’s guidance will be to avoid long contracts for aging veterans.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
it was a waste of great pitching
and i think it shook the confidence of them that might show up next season
$20 bux
Should I join the grougthink yet again?
It’s been a while since I’ve read a fantasy series. My fav. of all time would be the Belgariad/Malorean. I am certain this will be different, but what can I expect? Other than further indoctrination into the McCoven.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 4, 2011 5:12 PM PDT reply actions
you should read it IMO
Maybe not the most well written books ever, I’ll admit, but the depth of the world-building is so great that they are enormously addictive.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
So..comparable to Eddings work?
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 4, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
not really
ASOIAF : David Eddings :: The Wire : Law & Order: SVU
And I enjoyed David Eddings a great deal as a kid. This is a whole different animal.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah..so much grittier but also a lot less fun. Hrmm…
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 4, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
They are still pretty fun
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
?
Less fun?
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
The Wire was not fun. SVU has Munch.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 4, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
So which aging veterans will the Giants sign in the offseason to “fix the problems”?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Beltran.
Two years, $20MM
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be awesome
But Beltran is probably going to get twice that in years and $/yr.
Really?
I’m clearly out of touch.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I highly doubt Beltra will get 20 mill a year
He could be right about the years, though.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
I could see him getting 4/60.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I expect him to get $80M
Not sure ’bout the years. I think $60M would be a slight bargain, so unlikely to happen.
it just keeps replaying in my head
shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit shit
shit shit shit shit shit shit …damn…::sigh::
AT&T Park, Home of the WS Champion SF Giants, and Disneyland-so much MAGIC inside!
And yet . . .
. . . tomorrow will contain a first pitch and we’ll have baseball.
I’ll be here.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
So I guess I won't be getting this back...
Most of the time, I'm dumb. I'm just playing smart.
Well, we've been fooling ourselves since August 25th, 2011
http://www.coolstandings.com/baseball_team.asp?id=SF&sn=2011
We now have a 1.8% chance of going to the playoffs. To come back from this would rank us 2nd in the all time comeback list. Less likely than 1951.
LOL LATE AUGUST
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’ve been fooling myself for 45 years.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Karma?
Earlier in the season I envisioned the D-Backs taking it hard to the Giants. The Giants have owned them for so long that it was bound to happen. I never thought that the D-Backs would be the ones firmly in first place in September. Even though Sabean and Bochy would talk about how they were a team that werent going away, everyone pretty much underestimated them.
Remember when Bochy snubbed Ian Kennedy and the Arizona fans by not picking him for the All Star game. Getting shelled for seven earned runs in his last start before the break made it that much easier to do. At the time, he was probably just as worthy as Lincecum or Cain.
When I saw Kirk Gibson standing and talking with Bochy at the All Star game it reminded me of the year before with Charlie Manuel standing next to Bochy in Anaheim. Gibson totally seems like a Bochy protege.
I predicted before the season started that the D-Backs would be a middle of the pack team as a result of them becoming more rounded. I actually did predict that the Rockies would tank if they didnt have certain players like Ubaldo Jimenez perform like they needed to. I actually thought the Dodgers would be the ones finishing in second place, with the Giants in first. The Dodgers might actually do it, but I thought they would be a better team. They’ve totally underperformed.
The Giants heart was torn out when they lost Buster Posey. He was a steady bat in the middle of the order, even though his slugging percentage was down from the previous season at the time he got hurt. Freddy Sanchez would always play his ass off. When he was healthy he would give the team positive energy. Statistically, Keppinger has filled in nicely at second base, though with less range. But the energy that Sanchez brought would be missing.
The Giants didn’t have the edge they had last season. They played without fear last year. This season the pressure was constantly on to live up to expectations. Stress can do a lot to the mind and body. Some players were more affected by it than others. Even though the D-Backs will win the division, I still think the Giants are the better team. But after they dug a huge hole for themselves in August, the pressure to perform was greater than ever coming into this series. Hopefully next season Sabean will have cut the fat and the team will be refreshed and ready to play without fear again.
Yes
Arizona is the better team.
Adoptive parent of Luiz Lins, who has a nasty changeup and a $2 airport surcharge.
And yet the Giants still have the season series with three to go. They’re a better team because they have a better record than the Giants? There are so many factors that go into why the D-Backs are ahead of the Giants right now.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
But didn’t the Padres beat us head to head last year too?
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Yes, but the Giants lineup had dramatically changed over the corse of the season. Thats why Mat Latos was called them mercenaries.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Most the wins vs. the D'backs came in the beginning of the year
Our lineup this year has dramatically changed from the beginning of the year…
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Yeah, and your point is? Injuries have hurt the Giants. The Giants took 2 of 3 from them in the middle of June, so I would say earlier in the season but not the beginning.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m saying that our team may have been better in the beginning of the season but AZ is better now and that’s what matters. You can’t say that in this point in time the Giants are a better team than the D’backs?
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Factor 2: Arizona’s players are better.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Arizona’s pitching is better? A healthy Giants lineup is clearly inferior to the D-Backs? Remember, some players like Pablo are playing hurt. Just glancing at the D-Backs lineup, I see only have couple position players with an OPS of .800 or over. Only one player with an OPS not hovering right around the .800 mark. They play in a hitters ball park. LOL They’re a juggernaut.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Arizona position players with > 2 WAR (above average players): 5
Arizona pitchers with > 2 WAR: 3
San Francisco position players with > 2 WAR: 1
San Francisco pitchers with > 2 WAR: 4
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
And what the hell does a healthy Giants lineup have to do with anything?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
yes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
the picture isn't much cheerier if i use rWAR
AZ position players over 2 WAR: 5
AZ pitchers over 2 WAR: 2
SF position players over 2 WAR: 1
SF pitchers over 2 WAR: 4
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
They’re missing Stephen Drew too. It’s not like they’ve had no injuries
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
One player at any given time is the norm, isn’t it?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he's out for the season
But you said a fully healthy Giants lineup isn’t far off from a D’backs lineup. I’d say they’d have an offensive upgrade in almost every position compared to us (if they’re fully healthy as well)
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
They're better at 5 of 8 positions, I'd say
Giants, healthy, are better at 2B, 3B, and C.
Montero’s no slouch. Posey is not significantly better (braces for someone posting a WAR projection).
No slouch, to be sure, but there's a 2-3 win difference between them
Montero is basically an average hitter at C – incredibly valuable. Posey is an above-average hitter at C – even more valuable than that.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Their better based on seasonal stats. Many Giants positional players substantially underperformed for the year. I mean, Gerardo Parra had an OPS last season that was more than a .100 points below what is this year. Ryan Roberts only had 66 ABs but had an OPS .577 last season compared to nearly .800 this year. Things just came to together for them. Things fell apart for the Giants.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not arguing that. Most the of D’backs hitters are having career years and the Giants have had the worst luck with injuries. But shit happens and we can’t really say “what if”. Right now the D’backs are better.
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Injuries are a convenient excuse
But Torres and Huff just haven’t been hitting, and Freddy really isn’t that great to begin with.
We can say injuries cost us Buster and some time of Panda, but even at full strength, it’s no powerhouse.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Well, they just took two of three, in the most critical series of the year for Giants chances.
And did it rather easily. May not make them a playoff juggernaut, but they sure as hell got scoreboard when it mattered.
Without looking it up.
I would guess it’s because the Dbacks have performed against inferior competition. When it mattered, the Giants haven’t, which would account for most of the difference in the standings. When you have to win by the slimmest of margins because of putrid offense, the level of competition matters less.
Arizona position players with > 2 WAR (above average players): 5
Arizona pitchers with > 2 WAR: 3
San Francisco position players with > 2 WAR: 1
San Francisco pitchers with > 2 WAR: 4
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
New signature
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
by El Person on Sep 4, 2011 5:32 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I’m too despondent to talk about John Chancellor tonight. And no, begging won’t help.
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what if I came here
for David Brinkley discussion?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Chet Huntley says HI!
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
now I'm glad I've never seen an episode of The Franchise
lol poor
before I was bummed I was missing out, now I know watching it will make me relive this season again & I.do.not.want.
too bad SHO was 1 season too late :(
AT&T Park, Home of the WS Champion SF Giants, and Disneyland-so much MAGIC inside!
psst
Check you tube.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
In only 28 games as a Giant, Cabrera has been worth -0.5 fWAR
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He just has to play -22 more games to match Miguel Tejada’s substantial contributions!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
he's a free agent!
GINATS BRASS
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck Sabean
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Stamos
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
or a person that you can play I don't know... up by 1 in the 8th for defense instead of LOLCAB
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Cute, though.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Also a negative-value player.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Fontenot
meanwhile has been worth 0.9 fWAR and nevertheless has been banished to the netherworld for no real good reason
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
If they non-tender him, I'm just going to laugh.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
FML
Why the hell is frodo suddenly a pinchhitting specialist when he could be playing instead of Asshat Cabrera?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
more fun Giants players
Huff: -1.0 fWAR
Bill Hall: -0.6 fWAR in only 16 games!! He was on pace for -6 WAR in a 162 game season
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Oh and
Burriss: -0.4 fWAR
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Why do I get the feeling that both Huff and Burriss will get 400+ PAs next year...
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Huff si
Burriss no. The Giants will be busy signing someone for too much money and too many years.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Three months from now
Look, the market just didn’t shape up like we might have liked. Cabrera, obviously, decided to retire, nothing we could do about that. Crawford didn’t excel in his time in the majors. We really had no one around who we could slide into that leadoff spot to provide us the speed we need so that we’re not a station-to-station team. That’s why we’re making Manny the leadoff guy, and our starting shortstop, and we’re committed to getting him 700 ABs this year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Sep 4, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
even Burriss
is probably an upgrade at SS at this point. But shite, if he hasn’t cracked this lineup, I think they’ve pretty much given up on him.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not an upgrade over Fontenot
Who is under team control and will cost like 4 million to keep.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Fontewho?
I mean over the person who is written in at SS every day.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless the shortstop ASKS, remember.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
LOL Bochy didn’t start Fontenot once this series.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I've never been a big fan of Frodo for SS
but jeebus their love for Cabrera is amazing. Neither Crawford nor Frodo have even played an inning in the field at SS in the last week or so, right?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Fontenot was the shortstop on the 30th and 31st of August.
But once the games got important – well shit, that’s when you need your guys who aren’t good at anything to play!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
SRSLY
Fine, start Cabrera every game, but can’t they pinch hit for him when there are baserunners? Frodo or Crawford can stand at SS for 2 innings without falling over or killing fans with errant throws.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
This
Crawford needs to start the rest of the year but if he’s not going to start (and he wont BORK) he needs to play the last 3 innings of defense that is a valuable asset he can provide right now
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
It doesn't matter what they do for the rest of the season
I’d like to see them play Belt every day so he can get the regular major league at-bats he needs, but other than that, it doesn’t really matter what they do.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
some rambled thoughts:
Fontenot is not a starting SS that I’d want over 162. His arm isn’t strong enough.
We need a CF and SS, and the common dynamic of both those positions is they usually are a good fit as leadoff hitters.
C- Posey, need backup
1B- Belt, Huff
2B – Franchez, Kepp
3B- Sandoval, DeRosa (if he can be had for $1MM)
SS- ?? Reyes?
CF- ?? trade Torres as part of a larger deal?
LF- Beltran? Burrell if he gets surgery and can play pain-free?
RF- Nate?
P- hope they stay after Sabean fucks it all up again
Bench:
DeRosa
Burrell (if he can’t start anymore)
Kepp
Fontenot
Huff (Belt taking over 1B)
The question is this: do you aim for a slugger, or a speed-based player as the big FA signing? Beltran and Reyes would fill big holes, but both are injury prone.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Fontenot is the best shortstop in the organization right now, no matter what you think of his arm.
If they don’t bring in someone else, Fontenot should be the shortstop.
The should, of course, bring in someone else. But someone, you know, good.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’d be all for a Carroll/Fontenot platoon at SS for 2012. It’d be cheap and sensible, allowing for high dollars to be spent for a slugger.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Well Reyes isn't a "slugger"
But he’s a really good hitter anyway.
But it’s hard for me to disagree with anyone who wants to get Carroll because <3 OBP.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
OBP is a huge thing for me too. It all starts with OBP. High-OBP players start rallies. They sustain them. They turn the lineup over faster.
and I know Reyes isn’t a slugger- I was saying if they went with a Font/Carroll platoon, the “big FA” signing could be for a corner OF slugger. What do you think of Swisher?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
He'll be with the Yankees.
And they can just play Belt and Schierholtz in the corners. No need to bring someone in.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
DeRosa?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Schulman's intuition from the other day is dead on
I think the Giants sign him to a minor league deal with ST invite, and if he can play, he’ll be a bench guy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Schulman must read MCC- I suggested that last week and got laughed off the board by everyone.
though I said $1MM/1yr
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I guess he’d accept that offer, as would Burrell again.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t mind having either of them back. Both can be useful players.
But I think there’s a 50/50 chance they come back as coaches instead.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Nate should actually play CF. that would solve alot of problems.
then you bring in a slugging corner OF and Belt.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Torres is good
At the very least, he’ll be fine until they bring up Brown.
There is no need for a center fielder.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
the 2012 offense may be the most critical to keeping the pitchers- I’d prefer not to put all the OF eggs of Nate, Belt and Torres in one basket. If even 1 of the 3 don’t work out, we’re in deep shit.
Torres is terrible until he shows again in ST or early 2012 season that he can hit again. He’s gotten worse and worse all season. My buddy told me he missed some pitches this weekend by 2’
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Torres has been fine this year
It’s been a disappointment only relative to his prior performance. He’s been fine. Your buddy’s opinion is irrelevant.
If you really want another outfielder who can hit a little, get one cheaper than Beltran. Willingham shouldn’t be too expensive. Crisp or DeJesus could be good fits.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I really like Coco Crisp. He has 39 stolen bases this year, he gets on base, has a ton of XBH and doesn’t K much. I think he would be a good fit for us
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Plus, think of the field day the marketing department will have with CocoCrisp day. Free cereal! Maybe a Coco Crisp hat to wear with the Panda and giraffe shit.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
hitting .230 with an OBP barely over .300 and nearly no power is not “just fine”.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
in reply to GiantPain
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
With plus defense in a premium position in this run environment, yes, it is.
And it’s certainly good enough for it not being worth it to get another CF who would just block Brown anyway.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’ve come to the conclusion that Nate in CF with a power-hitting corner OF on a short contract is how I’d play it, but that’s just me.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Whether you want to get a power hitting corner OF is irrelevant to whether Torres or Nate is a better center fielder, though.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Andres Torres is not the problem.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I’m just going to have to disagree.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
and @ GiantPain
my reasoning for wanting a power hitting corner OF is that I don’t think putting Nate and Torres starting in RF and CF, respectively, is the way to go.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Swisher was actually pretty bad in the beginning of the year
He’s on my fantasy team and he was terrible until June (?) when he really started to heat up. He wouldn’t hit as many HRs at At&t and I think we would just be really frustrated with him
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
switch hitting corner OF with patience, speed and power.
I thought he was a FA this year? maybe NY would trade for pitching.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I think he's an FA. I'm not positive though
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
the
yankees have a club option of 10 million or so… which they will most certainly take
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The answer to your last question is
You aim to upgrade where the upgrade will have the biggest effect. Shortstop is our worst position on the diamond heading in to next year. By a lot.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
IMO SS and CF are our worst positions, and both need to be filled.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Torres is so so so so so much better than anything we have in the organization at SS.
And our top prospect is a center fielder, which means that NO CF SHOULD BE SIGNED FOR MORE THAN ONE YEAR PERIOD OR ELSE BOCHY WILL PLAY HIM FOREVER.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
mmm, true. I forget about Brown. I’d be all for a ‘value-redeeming’ 1-year deal on someone who had a down year in 2011, though no names immediately pop into my head.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I thought of one
Andres Torres.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Wut.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
But how can we sign him if he’s already on the team?! How are we supposed to spend monies on him?!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
4th or 5th in OBP
and that doesn’t count defense or baserunning.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I lost you early
We need a CF and SS, and the common dynamic of both those positions is they usually are a good fit as leadoff hitters.
This is kinda crazy right here. The common denominator of SS and CF is that they are difficult to play, so players who can play them are on average worse hitters than those who play in less demanding spots on the diamond. Why on earth would you want, as a general rule, a below average hitter to get the most at-bats?
People seem to have this idea that fast=leadoff candidate, but that’s dumb as a general rule.
??? I think you misunderstood me
I never said I wanted a below-average hitter. If they would sign a CF or SS, I’d prefer they signed one that was a good hitter.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Ok
But that isn’t what you said. The implication of what you said is that CFs and SSs are typically good leadoff candidates, and though they frequently do lead off, that is usually a bad idea.
gotcha. sorry, didn’t mean to make that implication.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Huff, Burriss, Crawford, Sandoval infield incoming
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
hahaha
Huff= 3B
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
My God
I might just boycott. I mean, I won’t. But I might.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Burriss?
where will he play? there are a lot more options before it gets to Burriss
by 49erEmpire on Sep 4, 2011 6:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Manny "Bugs Bunny" Burriss
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember, he's an outfielder too now.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
hahaha
1B Burriss! Actually he should take up C where he could outhit the competition.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, isn’t Keppinger arbitration eligible?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
I’d imagine he’ll be back. He seems like the kind of guy Sabean likes, and he’s been fine.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But he can make it up in volume. He needs to play more games, that's all.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
Were you on the board of directors for kozmo.com?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
On the other hand though
As boring as last offseason was (who will be the 6th starter? Do we need a better backup catcher?), this upcoming one will be fascinating. Lots of big decisions to be made. I predict a few 1000 comment threads here.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
uh, like, every day?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I hope
there will be chances to discuss the pros and cons of signing Jose Reyes!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Really good!
Injury risk!
But really good!
But injury risk!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I hope
someone will come along and show you the error of your ways! I’m sure there are a lot of downsides you haven’t considered!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
as you typed this he probably pulled a hamstring
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
reyes that is
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
but he'll be expensive!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, right, I should slip that line in there
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Well sure
If the Mets give him 150 million or something, back off. But if he’s available for 6ish years for 100-120 million, I pull the trigger.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
There was a good article on espn.com today about Reyes
No, really. It was by the BP guys. It’s insider-only, but here’s a salient quote:
Baseball Prospectus’ proprietary injury projection system, CHIPPER, paints Reyes as an undependable player in the short term, giving him a greater than 85 percent chance of losing at least 30 days to injury in 2012. CHIPPER doesn’t project further into the future, but it’s unlikely Reyes will be a safer bet at 35 than he is at 28.And then:
Reyes’ top two PECOTA comparables are Rollins and Furcal.
Rollins enjoyed a career year in his age-28 season — the campaign Reyes is about to complete — but his subsequent work has been a mixed bag. Of the four seasons since, one was excellent, another was above-average, a third was a disaster at the plate and in the field and the fourth was moderately productive but shortened by a lingering calf strain.
Furcal’s early 30s have told a similar tale. The back, not the hamstring, has been Furcal’s least cooperative part, but he has also tended to be productive when healthy. He was limited to 36 games in 2008 and 97 last season. This year he has succumbed to injuries and ineffectiveness, making two trips to the DL and putting forth a replacement-level performance when he has been on the field.
It seems to me that he’ll be paid as if he’s worth 4 WAR and will be worth that in one or two seasons of his seven-year deal. He’ll likely be worth 2 or fewer in the rest. If he’s signed for less than $100M he stands a good chance of being worth the deal or at least close. He’ll almost certainly get more.
I think Rollins is a decent comp
According to fangraphs, Rollins has been worth 14.6 WAR since the start of his age 29 season (when we would have Reyes).
At a rough 5 million/WAR rate, that’s 73 million in around 4 years, which would put him right on pace to be worth something like a 100 million dollar contract, which is what I’d give Reyes (though I’d go as high as 120 because I believe the Giants should be willing to overpay since their internal options are very poor)
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So are we assuming the Phillies don’t want him back. What other SS options do they have?
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I’m talking about rollins
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
I was talking about how Rollins performed from his age 29 season onward and pointing out that if Reyes was just as good as Rollins was from 29 on, a 100 million dollar contract or so would be fine.
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I get what you're saying
But if we don’t happen to get reyes, how likely is it that we’ll get Rollins?
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"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
calling it now
Furcal, 3 years/$30M, hits DL before end of April 2012
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Surely even Sabean can see
Furcal is done. I also seriously doubt that anyone will give him more than a one-year contract, and probably the Tejada experience will cause Sabez to avoid giving Furcal a similar deal. But Rollins is a very real possibility. The only good news is that Amaro and Sabean seem to have rather similar taste in players.
sheesh I hope so
the whole rent-an-old-SS gig has been pretty miserable but for a couple of Omar’s years. Where have you gone, Rob Andrews?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Really!?
Sabean couldn’t see that Cabra, the POS that he is, was done. No, Sabean trades on magic, hunches and distant past performance. I’m glad that after all those years TGWTWS, but I still loathe Sabean and his arrogant ignorance.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
In 97 games
He can’t stay on the field with any regularity.
so you're saying he's an injury risk
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Right, but if you want someone who can, you find yourself signing Miguel Tejada or trading for Orlando Cabrera or something similar.
Crawford is a reasonable plan B, if nothing else. 90 games of Furcal plus 70 games of Crawford strikes me as more productive than 160 games of, say, Fontenot.
I'd agree with that
If it worked out like that. If he’d sign a 1/$4M deal to try to get his value up, it’d probably be worth a try. I still wouldn’t bet on him playing more than 50 games or so, though.
Wait, it cant be a one year deal? The guy was talking about retiring not that long ago.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Something tells me the Giants will go after Furcal.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You can be sure that of all the choices available, Sabean will find the worst and for the longest contract.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
ned and sabes have a deal to corner the market on shitty players.
this will be our penance for Eugenio Velez
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That article wasn't all negative though
On the plus side, Tom Tango’s research has revealed that players who derive a high percentage of their value from speed tend to age more gracefully than the population of players as a whole.
Tango discovered that a speedy player such as Reyes in the age 29-31 bracket can expect to retain more than four wins of value over the life of a seven-year contract compared to a player of similar age who’s less fleet of foot.
It’s not clear if this is because speed is more resistant to the effects of age or because speedy players tend to be more athletic, better-conditioned and more capable of compensating in other areas as their physical gifts diminish, but regardless of the reason, speed works in Reyes’ favor when it comes to long-term deals.
His conclusion is merely that Reyes isn’t worth Crawford money. That’s fine. But he’s still worth a lot of money.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
ps- at the risk of agreeing with GiantPain, SF needs to break the bank on good hitters for 2012. There’s no point in trying to save money to sign the pitchers if they won’t want to re-sign because the Giants didn’t improve the offense.
it’s kinda a lose-lose scenario. their team-control years was when the Giants were supposed to be really good- 2008 to present. Sabean failed to build a good offense around them when they were basically playing for free, in early arb years or even for league minimum. That $200MM blown on Rowand and Zito cost us two high-end hitters.
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To be fair though
I think they need to break the bank, so to speak, on one guy – Reyes. He’s the only guy out there who will sign a big contract who the Giants should bother pursuing. Rollins as a back up, if they can’t get Reyes.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’m with ya on Reyes. Multi-dimensional player.
but I’d say Beltran on a 1yr/$20-25MM deal would be excellent too, or 2 yrs/$40MM. the fans and pitchers need to know things are being done about this. the high AVV may offset the years offered.
but they can’t only get Reyes. They need a corner OF who gets on base and has power.
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I don't think so
I’d get Reyes and call it an offseason. then you go into the season with a lineup looking vaguely like
Reyes SS
Sanchez 2B
Sandoval 3B
Posey C
Huff 1B
Belt LF
Torres CF
Schierholtz RF
That’s good enough. Sign Ramon Hernandez to be your backup catcher, and sign Jamey Carroll for a couple million to play off the bench.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I see two black holes offensively, up to 4 if Belt doesn’t pan out or Nate turns out to be a 2011 flash in the pan .
get a solid corner OFer, put Nate in CF, Torres to the bench.
Reyes SS
Posey C
Belt 1B
Beltran RF
Sandoval 3B
Burrell LF
Schierholtz CF
Sanchez 2B
that would be a Top 5 offense. with a Top 3 pitching staff.
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I think Torres is better than Nate.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
defensively? he has more speed, but his arm is nowhere near Nate’s.
offensively, it’s not even close. Torres can’t hit for average, for power, he’s an automatic out with 2 strikes, and his medical history (esp developments this season) with ADHD doesn’t give me any faith.
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As a total player, Torres is better.
And Torres walks a lot and hits for power. Torres has been good for 3 years. Nate has been OK for one.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
3? He’s only been good for 2.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
09, 10, and 11
His 11 has been disappointing. But it has not been bad. He’s going to end up being roughly a 2-WAR player because he plays fantastic defense and has hit below average, but not far enough below average to sap all of his positional and defensive value.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
his 2011 WAR is based mostly on defensive metrics, since his bat has been so bad.
which means you’re telling me that your argument for Torres being better this year is based on single-year defensive metrics?
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No
I’m basing it on a three-year sample of his defensive metrics.
His UZRs of the past three years in CF have been:
2009: 5.2
2010: 5.5
2011: 6.6
I think it’s pretty safe to assume Torres is a +6 defender, and thus that his 2011 WAR, which relies on his defensive value, is likely very accurate.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
in CF, Nate could be just as good a defender.
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Your evidence for that being what? Your eyes?
Look, Nate’s a very good defender. The metrics have him consistently in the +6 range in RF. But anyone moving from RF to CF is going to see a drop in their UZR numbers, because there’s more ground to cover. Torres is already a +6 defender in CF, and he’s been a pretty good hitter for the past three years.
He hasn’t been great this season, sure, but giving up on guys with a track record of success after one bad year is a good way to miss out on a lot of talent.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I’m not so sure Nate would see enough of a drop in CF to justify Torres playing over him, due to Nate’s better offensive numbers.
Torres has had a bad year, yes. But he was a career minor leaguer with a good season and a half. He is completely lost all year, and he has medical issues that affect every aspect of his game. Not to mention he’s on the wrong side of 30, too.
I just don’t see it.
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Torres’ power has completely disappeared. Nate has finally become a ML player.
Also, your argument is invalid because Nate was never given a shot as a starter until 2011, so to say that Torres has been better for longer is not fair.
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OK, so let me get this straight
Torres has two very good years and one average year, and he sucks now.
Nate has two below average years and one average year, and he’s “finally become an ML player”.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I mean, holy crap, I'm not crazy here
Nate Schierholtz, 2011: 1.4 fWAR
Andres Torres, 2011: 1.6 fWAR
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Torres is on the wrong side of 30, and declining (from the looks of it). Nate is way under 30, and presumably entering his prime.
and Andres got a whole lot more PT than Nate did this year, at that- so looking at a .2 difference in WAR is negligible.
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"Way under 30" = will be 28 next season.
And wow, at least have the decency to check a stat sheet before saying who got more PT.
Torres = 350 PAs.
Schierholtz = 362
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Nate got a lot more PA’s because of his PH and defensive replacement status.
Torres got more consistent playing time.
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Nate has started 73 games
Torres has started 71.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
that’s way more starts than I originally thought. You are correct there.
However, I still believe that Nate is a far more valuable player going forward who is better than Andres Torres.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Far more valuable? o_0
By how much?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Care to back that up with statistics or are you going to just take a few more guesses?
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
what you are not remembering
is the number of times Torres sat after striking out a couple of times or going 0 for 4, while Huff and Rowy “played through it” and “kept battling to get their bat going”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions
burrell will not be able to play the field
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
/millions of women in NL cites weep at their loss.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the payroll calculation on that?
$150 million?
I don’t see Burrell as a full-timer in the field.
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-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
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Are you really set on paying Beltran $20m/year, despite all the injuries this season?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
very short deal with a high upside. plus, it gives the pitchers confidence that things are being done about the offense
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He wouldn’t take that deal. He’s getting older, he wants security until the age he retires (or the age he thinks he’s going to retire). With his injury history+age+Boras no way is a short deal being done
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"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
he’s what, 34?
I doubt he gets more than a 3-yr offer anyways, might as well go with the one with the highest AAV
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There are some dumb GMs our there cough Sabes cough that would go longer than 3. I think he tries to go for a 5-6 year deal
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
he won’t get that.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
There are some dumb GMs out there.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
he’ll take the highest AAV and be back on the market in 2 years. I’d be shocked if he gets more than 3 years, so taking 2yrs on an overpay from SF would probably benefit him.
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RIP Playoff Hopes, 2011.
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
next year
will Sabes try to bring back Beltran? do we want Beltran with his injury history? does Beltran want to come back? what about Jimmy Rollins returning to the bay? Jose Reyes? no way we get Pujols or Fielder right? Does Gary Brown start right away?
so many questions
by 49erEmpire on Sep 4, 2011 6:29 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I’d sign Beltran if he keeps hitting like a stud for the rest of the season. Fielder’s going to the American league so he can play DH later in his career. Reyes stays with the Mets, I predict. Rollins would just be added to the pile of aging and declining players the Giants have acquired over recent seasons. I think Gary Brown will be a midseason call up like Posey was.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
You know
I’m very much on the ‘sign Reyes’ bandwagon, but there are a couple interesting trade targets too, and chief among them is Ian Desmond, who hasn’t exactly endeared himself in Washington but who is still young and has an impressive minor league track record. If the Giants wanted to make a trade for a guy like Desmond, I’d be down with that.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Hanley Ramirez could be interesting…they’re not exactly fans of his in South Florida
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
The Marlins are not trading Hanley Ramirez.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah didn't think so
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
What if I were to add Clayton Tanner to my Runzler and Adrianza package? Do you think that would sway them?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
They better re-acquire Tanner from the Reds fast, then.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, shit
He was the linchpin. Without him, I think the whole package falls apart.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I think a trade is much safer than signing a long, expensive, and injury prone player like Reyes.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, now.
Two weeks around the Giants lineup and he’ll be swatting at shit Robert Wadlow couldn’t get a glove on.
Well of course. I’m just looking at it from a long term perspective. If the Giants feel like they really need him, then sign him.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, I really am going to do this 500 times this offseason.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Merope
is getting her abacus ready.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Before 2010, IIRC. A blogosphere turns its lonely eyes to you.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
But he is really good.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Lisa needs braces!
Dental plan!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno
Desmond seems kind of crappy to me
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
his minor league numbers aren’t really that good either
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
we are all anti-McGwires
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Sep 4, 2011 6:31 PM PDT reply actions
Belt looks like shit at the plate
Can’t square up on anything and strikes out at a rate higher than pitchers. He needs to play everyday for the rest of the season so he can either improve enough to start with the team next season or the Giants can look for someone else to play 1st or left.
DFA IMMEDIATELY
HE IS BLOCKING HUFFS CAREER ADVANCEMENT
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Its just my observation. I’m not saying he has no future or anything. He just looks like major crap right now. In contrast, Posey took off and never looked back. Belt is still a major work in progress, it seems.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
lol we already have huff, let's find someone else to block belt for next year too!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Rest assured that he's at the top of Sabean's list.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
the kind of guy who will be carpet-bombed with pallets of $1000 bills by Air Sabean this winter.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:14 AM PDT up reply actions
From the KNBR postgame call-ins today
There is a troll (buntman) that occasionally calls the KNBR postgame; today his suggestion was that the Giants should sign Reyes, Fielder, and Beltran this offseason. YAY $200M PAYROLL
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
?
With a 200 million dollar payroll, you could do all of that.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
not Reyes
he’s too injury prone! I read that on a blog post somewhere.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 4, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Yea do that and it's bye tim bye matt and bye bumgarner when his contract is up
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
Speaking of payroll, The Diamonbacks payroll is around 60 million.
They must be cheating.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha
funny how having a system produce decent players can make for a cheap payroll! At least the Giants have that on the pitching staff, for the moment.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
$200M is the Giants payroll next season? Shit, they better be signing big name players after this season
You follow me, I'll follow you
http://ayeyooojerm.tumblr.com/
SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2. Home of 6 World Series Titles
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???. Home of 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
that's the point
they’d be adding $100M to do that. And they ain’t.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Balls
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Sep 4, 2011 6:38 PM PDT reply actions
Will this be the lineup the day after the Giants are eliminated?
Torres, CF
Keppinger, 2B
Beltran, RF
Sandoval, 3B
Huff, 1B
Cabrera, SS
Ross, LF
Whiteside, C
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Put DeRosa at third and I think you’ve got it nailed.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I think
We should all have a contest where everyone guesses what lineup the Giants will put out on game 162. Winner gets 1,000 McCovenbucks!
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
I like this!!
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe I should make a fanpost for it.
/strokes imaginary beard
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 4, 2011 8:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This is a good thing. If they’d make the playoffs as an 83-win team, Sabean wouldn’t be quite so pressed to build a real offense.
Besides, the baby is due any day now! I don’t think I could handle first-time fatherhood and a pennant race at once.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
well, we expect it any day now. It’s not actually due for another 9 days.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I’m going to have to stop calling the baby ‘it’, too. Can you tell I’m starting to freak out?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Babysitters are cheap. You could've found one on Craigslist in 2 minutes.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
the grandparents will be close by :) free labor from old people!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
so if we trade cain and keep what is left of the pitching staff
we wil still need another pitcher. lincecum and bumgarner wont cut it.
but if we don’t trade still no hitters. still stuck in a huge hole.
TRADE. my guess is we could get a fortune for him
and another middle good pitcher and a good hitter
Not sure if serious
If you are, you’re an idiot. Trade Cain?
SWING AND A MISS! AND THAT'S IT! The Giants are world series champions, and they come pouring out of the dugout!
-Duane Kuiper
Adopted Giant: Chris Stewart
by nothingbutnet003 on Sep 4, 2011 7:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
suckers
I’ve been living in the past since the beginning of the season. la la la la david murphy going back la la la he’s at the warning track la la la it is go-one!!! la la la
every time I watch Laird Hamilton’s infamous ride at Teahupoo it makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. That is just unreal.
For those who don’t surf or haven’t seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYQQtxb8wv0
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I do too, haha. I can’t go surfing right now because it’s a 45-min drive each way to the water, and my wife could go into labor at any minute.
So I watch surf videos instead.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
The media has been hyping this up a bit...
but what do you guys think about Ian Kennedy as a legit cy young candidate? I personally think there are way more deserving pitchers but I may be a bit biased.
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
No.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
drives me crazy. timmy has a better era...
i will give kennedy to ten in NL but not near top five
he's having a really good year but he pales in comparison to halladay, kershaw and lee
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wow Matt Cain is having an amazing year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I still think Halladay is #1
but Kershaw should finish second
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It's been driving me nuts how much the media is putting his name out there
His win/loss record is flashy and his ERA is good but the rest of the his numbers aren’t anything to write home about. Halladay for me is the clear favorite but Kershaw will definitely be a close second (as of right now of course)
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
yep. tied for ninth era and his war is below 4.at number 11.
how is that cy material?
I thought you were talking about Kershaw, rather than Kennedy, for a sec
and I got confused
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
LOL no
As much as I hate the Dodgers, no one can argue with the type of numbers he’s put this year. He’s been amazing and definitely Cy Young material
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Halladay and Kershaw
Kennedy’s having a good year, but not even the best on his own team (Hudson). He wouldn’t even be mentioned if he didn’t have 18 wins. He’s in the second tier of candidates along with Lee, Hamels, Cain, et al, and not near the top of that group.
so Timmeh has had two bad starts in a row after throwing that crazy 130 pitches vs the Padres, right?
didn’t he have like 5 bad starts after his 130 pitch game vs the A’s, too?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Yup
I noticed that too. Either it’s a freak coincidence or there’s something to it
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Except his last start wasn't bad
He got screwed by bad defense. Also, he probably shouldn’t have even started that 7th anyway.
Oops
Wasn’t counting yesterday. His next-to-last start wasn’t bad then.
he got destroyed by CHI, bad defense or not. there’s a reason he ran out of gas and got bombed in both games.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Wha'happen?
Wow. This is weird. Double post, and didn’t post the body of the post either time. Uh, OK. Anyway, what this was s’posed to say was that I realized I was referring to the game against the Cubs, not the one on Sat against the Snakes.
HAHAHA I SAID IT AND I GOT YELLED AT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
as most everyone else said
no way. yes, his win total is gaudy, but i have a feeling that has something to do with his offense scoring 5+ runs. his peripherals, ERA, etc are not impressive.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Detroit leads the White Sox, 16-0….teams could do that?!?!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Sure! The Giants do it all the time. Scoring zero runs a game is difficult, but some teams just have the knack.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
palce is real dead tonight. gee game lost and fans bolt for the exit
okay it is a lost season not a game.
details, details
Whats a "palce"?
You follow me, I'll follow you
http://ayeyooojerm.tumblr.com/
SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2. Home of 6 World Series Titles
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???. Home of 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
A big house that kings live in.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
/slaps servant and throws pork chop over shoulder > > >
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
The Red Keep.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Sep 4, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
/pork chop hits DeRosa on wrist. DeRosa goes on DL
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
how come no one told me Matt Cain is having far and away his best year?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He's soooo underrated
Nobody even gives him a mention. Which could be a good thing once he hits free agency…
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
4th in the NL in IP, only 2.2 behind the leader!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
4th in the NL in fWAR for the last two years
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
long-term, I think I’d rather have Cain than Timmeh. there, I said it.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
TASTES GREAT!!
LESS FILLING!
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
his rising walk totals scare me.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I'd rather have them both.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather have neither.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Is this a trick statement?
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
I don’t think it’s a good idea to sign pitchers to big 100+ million dollar contracts, in general. I think both Matt and Tim will get those.
Now, they’ll both be under 30 by the time they’re FAs, so I won’t exactly be up in arms, but I still think it’s too risky.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
They don’t have to sign the super long deals. They can do 4-5 at a time and see where it goes. For those two, I would bet on them still being good
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
They can?
Are you sure?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Weaver signed for 5 years. Why wouldnt Cain and Timmy?
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Because they could get a lot more?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Who knows that they’re thinking. Maybe they like SF, they like their teammates, the fans, the park. They’ll still get there money here, it’s not like the Giants won’t offer them anything. It’s not always about the biggest payday
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
If the Giants can get them for less than 100
They should absolutely do it. I doubt they can.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You really don’t think a Weaver-esque contract could get done. 5 years 85 millon
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
No.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Probably not with Timmy. But with Cain?
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
I don't think so. Cain will be 28 with a fantastic track record. Lee was 32 and got 120+ million.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But not all teams have that kind of money. Sure the Yankees and Red Sox do but their ball parks are tiny and Cain is more of a fly ball pitcher. I don’t know how that experiment would go over. Not to mention the quality of competition. Pitching against the Padres is not the same as pitching against the Yankees/Red Sox
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
Cain’s home/road splits in terms of HR allowed are about equal, IIRC
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
they are both good though
not great
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
if they both sign for 5 years, they’d be around 32 when their paydays arrive again, which should net them another 5 year deal.
no reason to think they won’t take 5/90 (Cain) and 5/110 (Timmeh)
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I have tens of millions of reasons to think they won't take those deals
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
i cant see them taking that either.
and i am sure they are both thinking i am better than zito
and better than just about any other pitcher out there
NO NOP NO NO NO NO
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
I mean, I don't want them to be traded, I want them here as long as they're under contract
I’m just not convinced that they’ll be good signs.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
/puts all the chips on the pass line. Rolls a 3.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
derp
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
LOL KNBR caller
“I am so stunned that Sergio Romo left the team because of the birth of his child.” Come on.
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 4, 2011 7:56 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
A man should be there when his wife is born for chrisssakes.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 4, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
heh
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I, too am so stunned. Just stunned. I can think of no other word than stunned. I'm simply stunned. Stunned, I am. Stunned.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
STUNNED
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 4, 2011 8:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’ve been stunned since 1981, so stunned that I can’t remember why.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I bet it had something to do with Thai stick.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that what they hit me with?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
PENNANT RACE
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Sep 4, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
baseball game < life
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Worst thing about moving away
The Giants haven’t been in first place since I moved to Arizona.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Quick! Become a D'backs fan! While there's still faint hope!
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
i cry.
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
Just don’t let it look like whining.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Or sniveling.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:17 PM PDT up reply actions
im fine now
just reciting my sig, i think ill make it through the night
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Sep 4, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You found the only accurate thing I’ve ever written here. Well done.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Wilson?
So what’s the grougthink here?
Remembering Robb Nen… I’m fine with the Giants shutting Wilson down for the rest of the season.
Wilson should only pitch in save situations. Ever. Because he's the closer. Can't shut him down. Nobody else has the closer mentality. We need a closer. But only for real closer situations. Period.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
too bad we lost our trade value with Wilson most likely being out for 1/4 the season with recurring back and elbow issues.
he could have fetched alot.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
His whole beard shtick will force the Giants to hold onto him. Though, the dude is loved in SF.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure these issues have been around for longer than just the past month. I say shut him down.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
this
and/or go get surgery if they’re doing their patented “let it calm down” thing.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:17 AM PDT up reply actions
speaking of rumors-
several blogs and a few more newsy places have been talking of the giant pitchers (timmy cain) maybe not being in SF next year.
i really dont see it next year . in two years maybe
There’s not a chance in hell Sabes is trading Timmy or Cain. He can’t possibly be that stupid
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
LOL ROFL LMAO
you really think he has hit rock bottom in stupidity??
by boyessprings on Sep 4, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rec'd for clear thinking.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I think they should
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
me too. but his trade value has got to be incredibly low.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
the farm system
is thin enough that younger versions of Thomas Neal might be worth having around.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions
i think both timmy and matt would be in a better place
this team hasnt been kind to them recently
well after that ( dumb me misplace the ws win)
thinking more of support
I half hope they trade Sanchez, and then I remember that it's Sabean doing the trading and then I get scared and think, "ah, forget it all".
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I'd try to package Vogelsong and Sanchez for some OPS
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I will say this: If Sabean screws up so badly that the pitchers would rather walk than stay in SF and suffer no run support, I may just quit this team forever.
I’m not sure I could handle losing the greatest starting staff this city has ever seen because Brian Sabean loved washed-up Band-Aid veteran hitters too much.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
this is what i am thinking will happen.
that pitching staff has really looked pissed and that was there PUBLIC look.
I probably wouldn’t quit them forever, but I don’t think I would be flocking to the gates, either. I’d boycott them for a season or two.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I'd be pissed
Our window is now. We have a chance to build of the World Series win from last year. Obviously not this year but in 2012 & 2013. all we really need is an offense that can score us 4 runs per game
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
dilitantes . . .
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
links please?
i would like to see the logic behind this ridiculousness…
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 4, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Man
I don’t think of this season as satisfying. All is not lost. Next year can still be awesome.
It’s like getting dumped by someone you realize wasn’t that great anyways. You’ll get over it, but it’s like, “really? Come on.”
Bleh.
That is cray-z.
winning the WS was like dating the hottest chick in town.
You knew it wouldn’t last, but you still had fun.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Ah, but weren't you the one she'll never forget?
She’ll be back.
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
If she does come back, I’ll have a mistress.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
MLB Network’s Plays of the Month [80 of them] So far the Giants have no highlights, 4 or 5 lowlights…but no highlights.
We’re on 26 24 at the moment. I’ve seen inside the park homeruns, and Keppinger being doubled up…. but nothing positive.
I did have to chase the cat once…maybe I missed something.
Don't forget the Painted Desert, which is spectacular. Also, though it doesn't look completely painted, apparently it is, because as I was spray painting a rather dull looking rock, a park ranger got all pissy with me.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
maybe you could come back when the rangers are busy elsewhere
a completely painted desert would be spectacular
america thanks you for your efforts!
The A's have been more fun to watch in the past few weeks than the Giants
I’ve watched a couple of A’s games this weekend, and that clownball can be fun when there’s nothing at stake.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Sep 4, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
?? what one?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Oh, you remember. That one.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 4, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally am blanking on this. I didn’t see all the ATL games, however.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
No, not that one. The other one.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 4, 2011 8:57 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL I got it now
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
The hypnotist is our last hope
Bochy isn’t beyond unconventional thinking. Earlier this season he cured his decades-long dependence on chewing tobacco through hypnosis. His hypnotist has told him she might be able to help with the offensive woes, too. She said she could put a curse on the Diamondbacks, but warned of the possibility that the curse could rebound back on its sender.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
oh these desperate times.
DO IT.
Sabean's_Folly:(on why we watch Giants baseball)
"Just accept the fact that you are a masochist, like most of us here."
by DudeDontTazeMe on Sep 4, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The Red Lady!
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Sep 4, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Go ahead
If it rebounded to its sender, wouldn’t it just go back to the hypnotist therefore making the hypnotist bad at baseball? WIN WIN SITUATION
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
Found a bug in my daughters hair
Her head has been itching so it might be lice. Yay Gonna be a fun hour or so
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series!
Whatever, next year Buster is back and all is forgiven.
More importantly, Breaking Bad, OMFG!!!
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
Probably the best thing that came out of this season
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
I don't know how it'll be
But hopefully they’ll keep Keppinger around in case Sanchez’s arm falls off.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
that should be the backup plan no matter what.
my fear is they boot either Fontenot or Kepp because they are “redundant” (not my word, but the word Sabean will use)
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
They can, and should, keep both.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If they keep both
They better have some speed on the bench because neither Fontenot nor Kepp are very fast.
I don't think that's that important.
Valuing speed like that gets guys like Manny Burriss major league jobs.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Of course
I have heard tell of a very good hitter who plays good defense at a position the Giants have a need at who has lots and lots of speed… a Jose something… who might be available.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
But he's really good!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 4, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha
No, no. Probably triple that.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
hahaha, no.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Well, not exactly
But is 135 million out of the question? I wouldn’t say so.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
well please don't be us.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
wait what am i thinking? wishful thinking.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Eh
Even if you overpay, you still get Jose Reyes. It’s not so bad.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
And, hopefully, it’s not a Jayson Werth or (to a lesser extent) Carl Crawford situaton, where the guy does absolutely or next to nothing right at the beginning of the contract to really make us regret it/hate him.
Wait, why is Crawford to a lesser extent?
Werth has been a lot better than Crawford this year. Werth has been above average.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
or a broken Jose Reyes. and missing out the prospect of resigning our pitchers. which you don’t seem to care much for.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Well sure. Any player could get hurt.
Reyes is probably a bit more likely than others, but you factor that in to the price.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yea, the price @ 130 million is not really factored in.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
All I said was that 130 wasn't out of the question
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well all I’m saying is that 130 should be out of the question with his injury history, no?
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Should?
I don’t know how to make a judgement on what should and should not be out of the question.
All I know is this: Older and less talented players at less premium positions have gotten that much money.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I have a hard time believing he'll sign for anything less than 5 years
The guy is incredibly good, but he’s going to be 29 next year and already has a history of injuries that are directly related to his biggest strength as a player (his speed). I think he would want to go big and get the security of a long term deal, and some team out there will definitely be willing to pay big.
The first six innings are overrated.
Seriously
So good. I’m still trying to figure out the significance of the parallel between Fring’s relationship with his partner in the flashback and Walt’s relationship with Jesse. I’m not sure if it’s a hint at how he’ll behave in the future or an explanation of how he’s handled things so far. Also, I wonder how many people he’s put through college as training for an exciting career as a meth cook; sounds like at least 2 so far.
The first six innings are overrated.
That makes me wonder why he needs Walt so much, he should have other cooks.
I don’t really see a lot of similarity between Walt/Jesse and Gus/Max. First of all, Walt & Jesse are not gay partners, nor was Gus a mean mother fucker to Max (apparently). I think it speaks more to Gus’ relationship with Jesse, actually. I’ve always wondered why he didn’t just kill Jesse, but now I think it’s because Jesse has certain qualities in common with Max (sweetness, loyalty, etc.)
What I want to know is what was Gus up to in Pinochet’s Chile?
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
Wait, Gus is gay? Did I miss something or is that just speculation?
And in terms of the parallels I mentioned it because Max’s pleading for Gus’ life mirrored the same reasoning Walt has used to keep them from doing anything to Jesse. And the way it may impact Gus’ behavior towards Jesse was one of the things I had in mind when I mentioned trying to figure out the significance.
I’m actually not all that interested in the Chile stuff, I feel like they’re teasing it less as a “what did he do in Chile?” thing and more as “what will happen when they find out what he did in Chile?”. The only thing throwing me off about it is he seems like he would’ve been too young to be anyone of importance in Pinochet’s regime, and left a few years before it really ended…
The first six innings are overrated.
It was strongly suggested that Gus & Max were lovers. Tio says something about them looking at his dick when he pees in the pool, the desperation in Max’s voice when he pleads for Gus’ life, there’s lots there. I listened to the podcast, and the editor says it’s definite, Vince Gilligan says (as always) that it’s open to interpretation. So, I think it’s there and perhaps you don’t, it’s not that important either way.
I still don’t think there’s much parallel because Walt has never seemed to want Jesse alive for Jesse’s sake as a human being, or because he actually likes or needs him, but only because he represents a measure of control. Jesse’s just a stooge/bargaining chip to Walt, nothing more. Max was obviously a cherished friend or lover to Gus. Totally different scenario. The only similarity is that the small time guys trying to break into the established drug kingpin’s world thing, which obviously went very differently for each partnership.
Who do you think is going to end up dead this season? I just hope it’s not Jesse because he’s the only one I root for. Well, Jesse and Hank. It’s either Hank or Gus, I’m thinking.
“It’s like in math, you take plus douchbag and minus douchbag and end up with zero douchbags.”
“And you did kill Gale, so there’s that.”
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
Hm, I guess I didn’t read that much into it. I assumed Tio’s comment was just your standard drunk asshole insulting someone’s masculinity. As for the pleading, he was a friend and business partner who had apparently done a lot for him, and I think they hinted a bit that this plan may have been something pushed by max (wasn’t he reassuring Gus that it would go well before Tio came out?).
The parallel was simply being the partner that, in the eyes of their potential employers, is probably expendable. I think Gus’ view of Jesse and how that situation should be handled could be colored by his experience of being in that similar position, not too much more than that. And I do think there were times when Walt really cared for Jesse in father figure sort of way, but that has been completely absent this season.
It’s weird, because Jesse seems to have gone from most likely to die to safest pretty quickly. I agree that Hank or Gus will have to die; I don’t think there’s a scenario where both can live.
The first six innings are overrated.
hmmm, hadn’t thought of it that way, but I still don’t think its a strict parallelism. I just thought Jesse reminds Gus of Max, but maybe you’re right and he reminds him of himself. In any case, we’ve seen now that Gus enjoys a mentor role and why he knows how to play Jesse to perfection.
As for Walt & Jesse, it’s always been a strained relationship at best, with them seeming to annoy one another more than anything, even as they commit murders to protect each other. Gus has been far kinder to Jesse than Walt ever has.
Another thought I had was that Gus might be the one who “disappears” in the way described by Saul earlier in the season. He’s already had his revenge, he could off Tio in the nursing home and then just be gone. Apparently he’s done it before when he left Chile. That would leave the kingpin position open for Walt to make a grab for.
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
You know if you guys put all this effort into talking about Jose Reyes we might be able to figure this whole shortstop situation out
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I thought we had figured it out. It’s the Giants FO that needs to get on board.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Wait, WHAT DID WE DECIDE?!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
ANYONE BUT CABRERA OR TEJADA
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Or, you could watch the best show on tv and obsess about that instead of Reyes. Either way.
You already know how I feel about Reyes. Six figures or six years is too much.
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
Gus has been kinder but no less manipulative. Both of them frequently use Jesse for their own reasons, but Walt has shown a genuine concern for him in the past (“Half Measures” is the best example of this) while Jesse’s relationship with Walt has pretty much been the only reason Gus hasn’t killed him.
The first six innings are overrated.
I really need to watch this show
This and the GRRM books are really messing with my McC experience, because I have to skip over so much.
Is this show available online? (Other than, you know, by surreptitious means…)
I fear that Buster will need a lot of time to get back to where he was before he got hurt. I fear that he may not be much help to the Giants next season.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I hear that half a Buster is still about 75% better than a full Whiteside.
The first six innings are overrated.
Yeah, but Stewart’s defense is great. Posey will have a tough time squatting behind the dish. If his bat is good, but his defense is sub average, first base should be where he goes.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like the injury is something where he either will or wont be able to come back as catcher. I’m not sure how much it would hurt his performance there, other than having to take more days off. It seems like if there’s any sort of increase pain or immobility because of it he probably wouldn’t be catching. Besides, he’s still got a cannon.
The offense is where I’m concerned, though. The glass half full types look at it and see a young guy who will heal quickly and be playing again. Glass half empty types like me see a guy who probably hasn’t gone more than a few weeks without at least taking BP since he was 12 or 13, and is going to somehow have to come back from many months off and learn to hit major league pitching again. It worries me.
The first six innings are overrated.
Yeah, I wouldn’t be suprised if his defense is okay but his hitting suffers. Legs are so important to generating power behind a swing.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey and Franchez are wildcards, that’s for sure.
which is why Reyes and a 1-2yr/high AAV deal with Beltran is important
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I'm not watching anymore games this season unless...
- Huff is mostly benched
- Young players like Belt see a lot of action
Otherwise, whats the point? I might tune in on occasion, but they’re already out of contention. They need to make this team interesting to watch.
Plus, they really need to DFA Cabrera and Whiteside, because Bochy likes playing them and they shouldn’t have a future with the organization. They can release Zito in the offseason.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m going to watch purely for baseball enjoyment factor. They win, yay, they lose, who cares. There’s only so much left until spring.
I fear that Bork will refuse to admit his veterans failed and will continue to play them the rest of the way out purely out of stubbornness.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Thats why Sabes needs to step in and DFA some guys. Anyways, he said they would start looking to next year if the Giants got too far back.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn’t necessarily need to DFA more veterans if they’re starting to look towards next year; Bork just needs to stop playing them. Besides, there really isn’t anyone else they can bring up other than maybe a few relief pitchers.
He’ll turn 23 later this month. It shouldnt take too long for him to be MLB ready.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That's exactly my point
He’s going to be MLB ready, but I’m betting they’ll give him the Belt treatment next year.
The first six innings are overrated.
Well, Torres better have a bounce back season at the plate.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I cant see Cabrera accepting a bench role. He’ll need to released so he try and play somewhere else.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn't need to be release
They can just keep him and let him walk as an FA. The rest of this season doesn’t matter other than Belt getting PT.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I want to see Crawford get a lot of playing time, too
Our meaningless losses need to be beautiful and graceful, dammit.
Oh, and it couldnt hurt to give him more experience against ML pitching if he’s going to be up here anyway.
The first six innings are overrated.
Why would he or the org choose to have him stay? Doesnt seem productive in anyway. Shouldnt Crawford, Hector Sanchez, and Pill see plenty of playing time?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
As far as I'm concerned
Crawford and Pill are non-prospects, so I couldn’t care less if they play or not. Hector should be playing in the minors tbh.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well, Pill should at least be given a fair shot to try and prove himself. Crawford numbers have been horrid, though.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Pill's 27 and wasn't even that good in AAA this year (he was barely above average for the PCL, where EVERYONE is mashing this season)
He’s org filler.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 4, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just a shot is all. Its not like other players havent proven the skeptics wrong before. Its not like he couldnt do any worse than the black hole that is Huff. It would be intersting to me and I’m sure many other people who follow the team.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, I guess.
Could be funny to watch him play. But it doesn’t really matter.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yes, just like the rest of the season. LOL
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, draft picks! Play all the scrubs.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Cabrera at leadoff!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Seems to me
If the bullpen were stronger right now the game could have been different. I could feel Vogelsong losing it during the 8th and Bochy could have, should have gone to Romo. but where the hell was he> Hey the baby will still be there a few hours later. We needed him!
Hate to sound selfish. Vogelsong had a good game until then. Low pitch or not, there was a time when Romo had the 8th. Figure out the 9th when you get there. Bochy pulls the same crap Dusty and Felipe did. Other managers who had no guts to pull a pitcher in time to win the game.
That would make this team interesting to watch
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Sep 4, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
finished it
that movie was better than 2012, but it was basically a really bad Mage campaign idea
Finding an affordable apartment is difficult
Especially for just 1 person and not in Oakland or SF. There seem to be only a handful of decent places in the Hayward/Castro Valley/San Leandro area, and those are like $1300+ for 1 bedroom. I’m not going to pay that much to live in a small apartment in a non-metropolitan area, but the only places I can find for under 1k have all those drawbacks AND are rundown/ghetto. Bah.
The first six innings are overrated.
And that… is why I moved to Sacramento back in the mid 90’s.
“You want how much for a studio apartment? On this side of town?”
Of course we’re starting to run into the “wrong side of town” thing here now….
I don’t have any good advice, because it’s been so long and neighborhoods change. Is Livermore out of the question? There used to be some nice apartments out near the lab, if you don’t mind being out near the lab. And some apartments along Mission Blvd in Union City/Hayward in the Garin area.
there seems to have been
a rash of building in the Tri-Valley, maybe a good suggestion. Not so far past Castro Valley.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I say we trade for Erick Aybar
Affordable, provides OK defense. Good speed. Super cheap. Doesn’t walk, but we don’t have a shortstop that walks in the first place.
What say you guys?
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
And the Angels want to trade their starting shortstop because _____________________________
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
BECAUSE WE NEED THEIR STARTING SHORTSTOP
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But seriously though:
We need to fill the SS hole. I am not convinced Fontenot is the man to do it. People are talking about Reyes, Rollins, and even Hanley. Signing those two to huge contracts is a major risk and Hanley is obviously unavailable.
Offering them a couple of good prospects of something like Hembree and Peguero for Aybar might get the Angels thinking. They got Izturis to fill the SS hole.
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I guess
But Reyes and Rollins are better than Aybar, and cost only money.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Not to mention Aybar becomes a FA in 2013. So if they traded away pieces they would have to be sure that they could re-sign him after that
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
wait what? I’ll worry about 2013 later.
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I’m sure that strategy would work well for GMs
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
??
What? You don’t like signing people to cheap, 2-year deals? This is essentially that. Of course you lose the prospects, but you would rather sign a 7 year – 120 million deal? That’s your strategy as GM??
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Umm..he’s actually not as bad as you think. I would want my GM to be creative. You want your GM to sit on his ass and not think about options? That’s your strategy as GM?
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uhhhh if you want your SS to be your source of pop then you can continue to dream on
Rollins, a much more “elite” SS only has a OPS of ~.750 if im not mistaken. I’m trying to bring affordability into a possible upgrade from our current situation here.
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You can get the same sort of production from free agent shortstops. I’m ignoring defense for the time being because of the sad state of the offense.
I’m not ignoring defense at a position that is so important defensively. You want production? Well, then you are in the GiantPain (Reyes) camp. Just don’t forget to pay the bills.
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Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
To be fair
Rollins or Aybar would also offer some level of production above average for an SS, and all three are plus defenders. Just about scale.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You’re arguing trading prospects for players that can be had in free agency, diminishing the prospects that could be used in trade or (gasp!) to fill the spots on the roster that can’t be had or fixed through free agency.
please name those players that can be had in free agency (at an Aybar-like contract) because I haven’t seen any in this thread.
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Aybar contract or Aybar performance?
Fontenot’s OPS is a lowly .658 but in limited playing time. You could cobble together a not horrible FA platoon of Fontenot and Infante/Carroll and get roughly the same production and you get to keep the prospects for use in a trade to upgrade the offense, which is the only thing the Giants should focus on this offseason.
…Infante and Carroll? You are just giving Bochy more options to fuck up the lineup imho.
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"Most"?
Number of Giants (200 PA minimum) who have a higher OBP that Carroll this year:
0.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Infante's is lower
But Infante is a non-offensive SS option for next year if they want to be boring about things.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Non-offensive in the sense that I wouldn't be offended if he was their solution
Not that he doesn’t provide any offense. Relative to his position, he’s OK if he can play an average defensive SS.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You know this conversation really makes me miss Uribe?
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
The Giants got really lucky that Uribe waited until after leaving to become awful.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
And he saved his awfulness for the Dodgers. Win-win
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"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Has he been the same after Timmy drilled him twice during the beginning of the season?
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Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Looks like he’s been on the DL for most of the year. He’s only played 77 games so far
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Infante has no offensive value. Carroll has no range and is almost 40 i think.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
That first sentence is just not true
And the second isn’t backed up by the metrics.
But in a makin’ stuff up contest, you’re doing well.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Not trying to make up stuff so you don’t need to sound condescending. But in a being a “know-it-all” competition, you are sure the champ around here eh?
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Yes and I’m not pulling stuff out of my ass that’s why I have fangraphs open for this conversation. If I’m not reading the stats correctly then please explain but saying that I’m making shit up isn’t very friendly.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Apologies.
Infante only “provides no offensive value” if you decide you only care about statistics from this year. But that would be silly. The two years before this one, Infante was an above average hitter. And even this year, his numbers were fine – presuming he was playing shortstop, because you don’t have to be a very good hitter to be an average shortstop.
All the defensive metrics I looked at for Carroll over the past three years – and remember, 3 year samples are necessary when consulting defensive metrics – seem to indicate that Carroll has roughly average range at all the positions around the infield. Of course, as one ages, a few steps will be lost, but it’s not like Carroll is suffering from nagging injuries or anything that would obviously make him slower.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well I appreciate that.
But I’m pretty disappointing that all this discussion brought us back to players that are only about a win above replacement at shortstop.
You seem to be pretty good at convincing people about Reyes after all.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
That's the point I've been trying to emphasize
It isn’t just this year. The talent pool at shortstop kinda always looks like this – except there’s almost never a guy of Reyes’ quality available, who’s talented, good defensively, well above average with the bat, and under 30 to boot. It’s a rare package, and one I think the Giants should jump on.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
that's sorta what it boils down to for shortstop
Either “pretty okay” options (of which I think Infante is the best cause of his positional versatility), or huge gambles.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I know very little
Which is why I go to player’s fangraphs pages and look stuff up to help me inform my posts.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The issue is whether
(Aybars Production) – (Aybar’s salary) is > (Rollins / Reyes Production) – (Rollins / Reyes salary) + (6 years of Hembree + Peguero + whatever you have to trade to get Aybar)
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Sure
Start with Reyes.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Who said Aybar would sign a cheap 2 year deal
He becomes a FA in 2013. You would be getting him for only ONE season.
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow the SS market is bleak next year
They’re all either past their prime or going to cost a shit ton of money
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"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
It's always like that
Because SS is a premium position.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
The amount of under-30 fantastic shortstops who make it to free agency is tiny.
Reyes might be the last one for years.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
2013 has an even tinier amount of FA SS available
And even at that they could get re-signed by their team in the next year
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
Toss that on the pile of many reasons why I think the Giants should get Reyes now.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It really is.
SS who are both good offensively and defensively are hard to come by. Damn why couldn’t we draft someone like a Tulo. We’d be set for years…
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
WE COULD HAVE HAD TIM BECKHAM
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I don’t mean Tulo exactly. Just someone like him
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
and
the good ones get re-signed, while the done ones become FA/sign with the Giants.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
At some point, veteran players are going to wise up to the fact that if
the Giants want you, that means you’re done or about to be done very soon.
Sure.
Still, I can imagine this exchange:
“Why didn’t you take the Giants’ offer? You turned down $6 million guaranteed for a ST invite.”
“Ah hell, man. I just don’t think I’m done. Not yet.”
Agent : Good news, Sabean is offering 2 years, 12 million
Player: Are you trying to kill me?
they already have
it’s been the financial bridge to retirement for quite a few players.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:22 AM PDT up reply actions
A few thoughts
Beltran’s weak fielding in RF has cost the Giants almost as many runs as he’s had a hand in producing offensively.
Not only would Nate be better in RF, but in benching him, Bochy has benched one of this year’s best hitters. (Unless Nate is still hurt—not sure about that…)
Huff should sit and Belt should play. Not because the Giants can still make the playoffs—they basically can’t—but because the least the team can do is get Belt regular playing time at the major league level at the position he’ll be playing, after all the mis-handling of him this year.
I second everything everyone has been saying about Cabrera. Whenever I see him fail, which is all the time, I just say “academic.”
1) No
2) No
3) Sure?
4) Meh.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 4, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nate’s still on the DL
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by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
ugh, so much for my "nite out with the girls"
lame, lame, lame!
now to Z thru all these new comments!
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What happened?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
sorry, I was Zing thru! whew, looooots of rosterbation up thread!
I got all gussied up to drink myself into amnesia about this season, and I was out for all of 2 hours, booooo! :( I hate that! I don’t get out much so when I do have plans I expect I’ll be out longer than it took me to get ready…I certainly didn’t expect to be home before 11pm
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Pretty lame
Still have Monday to make up for it
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
:( damn...
pretty much has been my life the past 3+ months since the job…
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
haha, YES PLZ
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
hey Pika, long time no “see”! :)
saw you’ve got something cool (possibly) in Chicago was it? , that’s so awesome! Best of luck! :)
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I KNOWWWWWW, hoping to be back around here a little bit more often since i got more time now. Plus yea, we’ll see about the opportunity in Chicago, would be nice since it’d be closer to my girlfriend, and many of my friends. THANK YOU!
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oh, wow! I didn’t know the gf (and friends too) were already there, now I’m gonna think extra super duper good thoughts for ya! :)
glad to see you around these parts again!
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haha, yea!
We will see and i will keep people posted here on what’s up. Thank you! Good to be back, feel a good amount has changed
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Jose Reyes
Just glancing at Reyes’ offensive stats:
- His batting average has steadily gone down from .350 to .333 since after coming off the DL in late July.
- His stolen bases have halved in recent years since his best seasons 2005-2008. I would assume this means his speed has declined some.
- His walk rate decline has paralleled his stolen base decline in recent years.
- His 2009 injuries seems to have negatively affected his production to some degree.
his walk rate is super low this year
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think the Giants are fast tracking Panik in hopes he might be ready after the All-Star break next year.
Gary Brown too
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which is why he spent the whole season in A-ball?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Ok... Honestly, i see Brown in Fresno some time next season
more toward the all star break. But that’s about as far as i see it. Possibly a september call up
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Both will play in the AFL this year. Both will probably start in AA next year. And we all know all the good pitching is in AA. Being sent to AAA is actually a demotion.
do you really think they’re going to jump Panik directly to AA??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Have to think they’ll keep him in A ball for at least half or all the season next year
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Yeah
He’ll actually probably start in single-A, but they better promote him to AA if he rakes. No point in keeping him in single-A for a whole like Brown.
So they'll basically Crawford him after he BABIPs .500 at SJ for a month and a half?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
What?!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
HAHAHAHA No
Panik might plausiby be ready in 2013. And I think it’s pretty unlikely that he’s a SS at that point. And that’s in the already rather fanciful world in which he’s a major-league hitter in 2013.
thin farm system is thin
I hope they don’t start throwing guys into Richmond and Fresno just because they have no one ahead of them.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:24 AM PDT up reply actions
He certainly has struggled since coming off the DL
And I’m sure that every team he negotiates with will bring it up in the talks. I bet it will drive down his price.
But the important thing to note is that Reyes doesn’t have to be as good as he’s been this year to be worth a hell of a lot of money. Doesn’t have to be anywhere near this good. If they paid Reyes, say, 100 million over 6 years, they’d be counting on an average of 3.3 WAR per year. He could hit a hell of a lot worse than he is now and eclipse that easy. And yes, injuries are a concern. But they’re not the only concern.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Well, then they need to have that same approach with every other position. If the Giants are trying to win every year, they need to get top talent. That means spending the money and prospects needed to do so.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Goodness 1 WAR worth a lot nowadays…
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about 5 mil at current prices
And that back-of-the-napkin calculation isn’t even factoring in inflation that would occur over those 6 years.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
thank you
for changing your sig!
Soon you can just type “see sig”, avoiding a winter’s worth of carpal tunnel.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Beltran
For me, and I must point out I’m no expert what so ever, I’d go after someone like Beltran in the offseason. Someone who is very talented with the bat, has a great work ethic and takes very good care of themselves, has very good composure, is disciplined at the plate, can fill a hole in the middle of the order, is experienced and wise, and wont require a very long and expensive contract.
So I guess what I’m saying is that I hope they re-sign him.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
As ever
It depends on the money. If the choice is between Beltran or a shortstop, get the shortstop. If they can somehow swing both, that could work. But get the shortstop first.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Who is there really for SS?
Are we talking about signing someone or a possible trade?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Wait, is Brandon Phillips really a FA next year?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
No.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Brandon Phillips (31) – $12MM club option with a $1MM buyout
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
WHOOPS, didn't realize the article i was reading was from January
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
exactly, and if they don't pick up the option, he'll test FA
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
But they’re gonna pick up the option. They’d be stupid not to
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
They could go after EDGAR
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Who will bat in front or behind Pablo in the lineup next season? Posey cant be depended on. Huff already looks finished. I guess Reyes could bat third, but he’s not prototypical.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
But Huff has that good-bad pattern going on in his career. I’m kinda hoping/dreaming that he’ll be good next year
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
by hautecouture on Sep 4, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Players do decline because of age. Its been mentioned that his bat speed started to slow in 2010. His hitting of late has been reminding me of Tejada. When Tejada was with the Giants, he would have a lot of loud line drive foul balls. Huff has been doing the same. I think it has to do with older hitters losing the ability to get around on pitches so they compensate by swinging earlier and they just foul the ball off.
He seems heavier and out of shape. Maybe he needs something similar to Operation Panda. Just look at Todd Helton, he’s having a pretty season at the age of 38. Though, his problem has been an injured back, and he is good at going with pitch location unlike Huff.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Sep 4, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
IT'S OK GUYS, BOCHY SAW THIS COMING
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Ech
It’s suddenly rosterbation season. GP’s time to shine, I guess.
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
In the event Angel Pagan is non-tendered,
I’d like to see him on the same team as Andres Torres just to see if they explode when they share the same space.
Has anyone ever seen them in the same place at the same time?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
There's still only one of them in this picture:
San Francisco Giants center fielder Andres Torres misses a fly ball hit by the New York Mets’ Angel Pagan during the ninth inning of their baseball game in San Francisco, Friday, July 8, 2011. New York won the game 5-2. Torres was given a fielding error on the play. (AP Photo/Eric Risberg)
Why would he be non-tendered? Do the Mets want Jason Bay in center that badly?
But Angel Pagan is Andres Torres and I would like to swoop on him because Andres Torres is good and two Andres Torreses are twice as good.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Jason Bay in center
This caused me to start giggling maniacally.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Is that even a thing?
Has it been discussed?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I thought
rxmeister was kidding the other day.
Actually, he’d probably be an upgrade for the Giants at SS.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Sep 5, 2011 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm speculating on Pagan's availability because his name has come up as a non-tender candidate at various times this season...
though his numbers have improved (I think) of late.
Also, there was this article about the Mets’ payroll next year:
Regardless of who — if anyone — joins the Wilpons in ownership between now and the offseason, the Mets’ payroll is going down. Way down.
Mets officials continue to say there are not even firm ticket prices for next year and, thus, no set projections to establish a payroll. But general manager Sandy Alderson recently established parameters when he insisted the team could be competitive in the $100 million-$110 million range, which simply reiterates one of the reasons he was hired in the first place: the belief he could do more with less (certainly with less than Omar Minaya was allowed to spend).
Heh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Right?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
And we'll have music
Such sweet music, and wine, heh, the red will run, and we’ll set some wrongs aright.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
FFFFFFFFFFFFF
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
They haven’t cast anyone as Edmure yet, right? I think they should get Jerry from Parks & Rec to play him.
“Edmure, stop saving all your peasants!”
“Edmure, why’d you take on Tywin?”
“Well, he was destroying my land and his armies had to be stopped!”
“Edmure, that was the opposite of what I wanted you to do! Why are you so awful?”
“God, Edmure, your wedding was the WORST.”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I LOVE IT
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
But everyone is speculating they’re going to cut/delay the Tullys.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
yeah i'm really confused as to what's going on there
i was resigned to the blackfish being cut but wtf is with no Edmure?
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 4, 2011 11:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea. Maybe they want to avoid having to create a set for Riverrun until they have to? (They’re going to have to make up sets now for a bunch of new places… Dragonstone, Storm’s End, Vaes Tolorro, Qarth, Harrenhal).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
BUT THEY COULD STILL HAVE EDMURE.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
yeah
it’s kind of bizarre; they made some mention of the Riverlands in season 1 and it’s sort of central to Jaime’s whole arc if they wanna expand his role for season 2. I have no idea where he’s going to be kept captive now.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 5, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions
What about the giants going after Kubel?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
What about it?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I honestly have no idea, i’m trying to be somewhat smart here and try to talk baseball for once?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
It'd be an interesting move
Kubel provides very little on the defensive side of the ball, and his offense hasn’t been up to his career levels for the past two years.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
So it wouldn't be any different from what they have with Burrell?
Someone who isn’t great defensively… Difference was, Burrell was pretty effective last year
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I'd rather have Josh Willingham over Kubel...
Beltran over both…
and I’d like the Giants to sign Grady Sizemore in the event his option is declined. Nothing crazy… but maybe a high dollar 1 year deal to see if there’s anything there… assuming the Indians part ways.
If the indians do part ways with Sizemore, i'd definitely like the giants to go after
Sizemore…. But i agree, Beltran over both. I would also like Willingham… The Giants definitely will have to go after a corner outfielder. Torres will probably be the starting CF come next season?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Sizemore's injuries scare me more than any player out there other than Brian Roberts
dude just seems snakebit.
Plus, I don’t know if his speed is ever coming back
The first six innings are overrated.
I agree completely.
But I don’t see how a one-year deal would hurt the Giants. I mean… if something like that is even possible. I think pretty much every team will do something short-term (should he become a FA) so then it just comes down to money.
Oh I would be all over that for a 1 year deal
I’m okay with 1 year gambles on injury prone players with high upsides. And when he was healthy this year he was a XBH machine.
The first six innings are overrated.
last year for Kubel, it was pretty meh in terms of BA
and his overall offensive numbers were pretty down in comparison to what he has done over his entire career
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
well Burrell was worth 2.5 WAR after, I think, a negative WAR stint with TB. To expect Kubel to match that is pretty damn hard.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
So what he did basically was unreal.
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
unreal.
yea pretty much, considering he did all that after july.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
after that homer against LA in the 8th, he was on fire
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
And then decided to use that leverage to score himself a sweet 1/$1mil deal
I think that’s the most unreal part
The first six innings are overrated.
Pat Burrell is the fucking man
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Finish the sentence, "The season was lost when....."
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 5, 2011 12:11 AM PDT reply actions
Freddy Sanchez went down.
Because that was after Posey went down.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
concurred
Losing Mole hurt on both sides of the equation. Provided offense, runs the bases and really learned to appreciate his contribution defensively. A tremendous loss. While Kepp has been a nice addition, it would have been better to see Sanchez in that position with Beltran having somebody who could score from first on a double. This team re-defined “station to station” baseball with Andres’ failure to get on base and Mole’s injury and no suitable replacements at the top of the order.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 5, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Literally all you need to know about the Giants can be summarized in this one comparison:
PA in 2011 before today:
Burriss: 146
Belt: 143
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
.....Sabes thought he could get by with StewSide at catcher once Buster went down.
Essentially giving you no offense out of an already depleted lineup from the 6-9 positions.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 5, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Beltran got thrown out trying to advance to second last night
Not that it would’ve made much difference, but that was the last rally.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 5, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
...re-signed Huff to a bloated contract and thought Tejada could be an everyday solution at shortstop.
some would say the season was lost during the off-season with the avoidance of making some tough decisions with position players.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 5, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
That is so damned hilarious.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 5, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
After the Giants visited the White House
Seriously, first it was the economy then it was our fucking season. Look at the team picture, Larry, Neukom and everyone all smug looking and mugging for the camera. Well, where are the smiles now?
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 5, 2011 1:20 AM PDT up reply actions
CHECK THE BIRTH CERTIFICATES
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 5, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
We have more people on MCC tonight
than there were in the GDT today. Nobody would type anything until Ryan Roberts hit that homer.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
At no point in that game did it feel like the Giants were going to win.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
Not even after an infield single to Parra and a 0-2 count to .188 Blum turns into a BB from Affeldt?
Surely, when Bork went to the bullpen for Ramirez, you had to feel much more confident that we were going to pull out the win. Amirite?
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 5, 2011 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, I had to follow the game on my blackberry today.
When the tracker showed Bork bringing in Ramirez, all I could picture was Bork with a senile look on his face carrying a gallon of gas in each hand and dumping it all over the AT&T infield on his way to the mound, pulling out a box of matches and saying “STEP BACK BITCHES, THIS SEASON IS OVER!!”
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Sep 5, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
"When asked why he stole $7 million from the Dodgers, he replied that he was just doing it to fit in with everyone else"
The first six innings are overrated.
Emo Juan Uribe
Is the greatest use of the internet ever. Even bettter than animalsbeingdicks.com.
so when are they putting in the "world champions walk"?
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by sadison bummedgarner on Sep 5, 2011 12:38 AM PDT reply actions
Shift-A
The contracts of both Sabean and Bochy ran through 2011 with a club option for 2012. The 2012 option was picked up by the Giants on February 4th of this year. That reveals rather clearly how BowTie & Friends understand the game.
Till the day this organization gets a managing partner who knows a little something about baseball, it’s going to be the same neverending parade of awfulness: the details—Sabean’s and Bochy’s almost literally countless errors, major and minor—are no longer worth discussing. The club got lucky in 2010, and we all got a jolt of joy juice. OK. Live on it, and don’t expect anything more.
(Mind, dump Sabean for someone with brains and 2012 would at once become possible, because there are enough parts to get by on with wise use of those parts by a new field manager plus a few careful moves; but, as I said, that is simply not in the cards, nor will be while the MP is just a fanboy with deep pockets.)
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by owlcroft on Sep 5, 2011 3:05 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm visualizing a kidnapping.
And owlcroft going all Kathy Bates crazy with a hammer on Bowtie in his wooded hideaway.
Rooting for this team does weird things to a person.
The contracts of both Sabean and Bochy ran through 2011 with a club option for 2012. The 2012 option was picked up by the Giants on February 4th of this year. That reveals rather clearly how BowTie & Friends understand the game.
I’m actually going to have to disagree with you. I think I’d always prefer for the manager and especially the GM to have at least one year left on their contract. In a rational, sane world, it would keep them from pulling win now™ moves strictly because they feel that they have to compete in the current year because it would be their last chance to make a good impression before their contracts come up for renewal. I think it would provide more of an incentive to take a pragmatic, long-term view.
That said, if your manager and GM are not particularly good in the first place, no amount of economic incentives will turn them into geniuses.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Rec'd for your usual accuracy.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 5, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
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