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Sabean's comments on KNBR about the Giants 9.28.2011


Jon Miller interviewed him during the final game of the season. I transcribed those comments to the best of my ability. 

 

Miller: … Andrew Baggarly of the Mercury News was talking about how just a couple of wins last week on that road trip and the Giants would also be tied [for the Wild Card], so, the team still came awfully close.

Sabean: Well, I got one big question: what the hell are all these people doing here? It’s a testament to their interest in the team, including us getting swept in Arizona and virtually being eliminated from the division and the Wild Card. To think it was sold out that the people showed up really is heart-warming. I know our players appreciated it. It certainly has been a tough year to navigate for anybody that was part of the team…

Miller:  [the organizational meetings start soon], do they not?

Sabean: Well, we’re gonna start tomorrow, and, actually, that’s our first for us. Given all that happened last year, which was the good, it seems like it’s all one whole year which last year was the good and the this year has been the bad and ugly, while everything was fresh in everybody’s mind we wanted to get everybody in the room, starting with the manager, the coaching staff, some of the front office personnel and kinda, you know, share and care what our thoughts are and how we can get better first internally and how we go forward to build, you know, the team in the near future and get back to our winning ways, so, the sooner the better.

Miller:  …you wanna see how the people in the organization are evaluating the players themselves? You wanna hear from everybody and get all of their input before you start making the decisions that are still to come this winter?

Sabean: Exactly. We’ll go over everybody on the 40 man roster and, uh, try to do whatever we can to judge their situation fairly whether they’re a free agent, arbitration-eligible to be, somebody that was a September call-up, and see how we can evaluate their role… how we would go forward or not go forward with specific needs and wants, and I think it’s important, that, you know, especially after the two years we’ve been through that everybody gets a chance to kinda exercise their demons. And, you know, I think everybody will appreciate the opportunity to get in on their first gasp. We traditionally do it later and in a different fashion, but this year we decided that…

[Kouzmanoff singles, Fowler scores.]

Miller: You wanna hear not just about the players on the 40-man roster, then, but any possible free agents the Giants might go after. You wanna hear the feedback from everybody on different guys and that sort of thing, too.

Sabean: Well, everybody does have an opportunity in written form a) with the roster at hand and how we go forward with controlling who has contract left with us or who would be under contract; they have the opportunity to write out the 25-man roster. We also give them the complete free agent field and they have an opportunity to circle their desirable players, and then we compile that, and we’ll go into those meetings in the next couple days and debrief all that information and kinda put together a relative game plan in both areas, first what we can do to get better internally  and secondly, how the outside world looks at, will favor us as we identify our needs and what the possibilities will be.

Miller: … there really is no off-season if you’re a GM… so, what are you anticipating… you think the Giants will dabble in the free agent market? They likely to pursue some trades? Try to fill some holes internally…?

Sabean: Well, I’ve already spoke to this publically and one of our themes going into tomorrow, we know two things: our pitching is our gold standard. Anything we can do will, uh, to keep that intact , uh, we need to identify what that means against payroll present and into the future. And secondarily, that’s really how you build your ballclub and then whatever dollars you have left, how you’ll decide to either keep your own free agent to be or pursue whoever you can in the market… but first and foremost we have to find a placeholder in our budget for what is our greatest strength in our pitching, and that’s obvious.

Miller: [How do you see the wild cards playing out?]

Sabean: Well, you have to give all the credit in the world to teams like Tampa and St. Louis. You know, we were part of an interesting race like this for the wild card in ’98, where I think we were five out with ten to play and ended up tying with Chicago to play a one-game playoff and losing it to them. But, uh, it just proves that with this new format – and, evidently, we may add even another wild card in the near future – uh, that, the season is never really over until you are mathematically eliminated. And, quite frankly, I’d like to see it tied in both leagues and go to a playoff game. It’s great theater.

Miller: It really is… [I think the playoff used to be decided by a coin flip].

Sabean: Exactly. Back then, the coin flip was the old saying, "Always say heads and you’ll probably make out." What is it? 51 percent against 49 percent, as ridiculous as that sounds.

[Miller and Sabean talk about ’98 wild card.]

Sabean: Well, it proves exactly what we’re talking about. It’s a wonderful game. It’s like life. Day to day, you don’t know what the result’s gonna be and, uh, you know, fall baseball, September baseball is meant to be meaningful and, uh, we’ve had a lot of Septembers like that. Fortunately, in most cases, we’ve had a chance, as we’ve been in a position to win the division, we’ve done it. In that case, we didn’t get by that playoff game, but, uh, you know, it proves to what I said earlier: keep playing and good things can happen. I think that’s  the type of attitude we’ve built here in the last three years. The thing I’m most proud of was at least we’re gonna win 86 games and that’s pretty amazing to me, and a lot of it’s the culture we’ve created, the fact that a lot of these guys come to play, expect to win, and a lotta other organizations would’ve gone the other way or perhaps their players would’ve tanked it and we certainly haven’t done that.

Fleming: [Thoughts on how Beltran performed and integrated into the organization’s "culture."]

Sabean: Well, it’s obvious the guy can hit. I mean, I said it when we acquired him. He’s gonna be every bit of what you want in a number three hitter in almost anybody’s lineup. You know, as fate would have it, he gets here, he gets injured, and I think we were 5-8 in the 13 games he was out, but uh, he made a difference not only in lengthening our lineup but had the professional at bats you’re looking for and I think it rubbed off on a lot of players, especially Pablo, so, he’s the type of player that you wanna acquire at the deadline and we’re certainly lucky that he’s in a Giant uniform and we’ll see what the offseason brings with him.

Miller: [On Beltran’s comments to the media that Sabean should get a leadoff hitter.]

Sabean: Well, I think he’s amongst a million other people that offer assistance and I certainly think he’s right! You know, we’ve missed having the leadoff hitter the whole year. It’s been difficult to put together an offense on the day to day basis including the leadoff hitter.

 [Commercial Break.]

Miller: Brian, the Giants first round draft choice was Joe Panik… how well did Panik actually do up there [in the minors]?

Sabean: Well, the fact that he’s a left-handed hitter in the middle of the diamond, and it remains to be seen whether he’ll stay at shortstop – in fact, he’s going to the fall league to play a little second base ‘cause we could only protect one primary position and that’s gonna be Crawford playing shortstop everyday – but, uh, our scouting people did a real good job on him. He’s got good all-around skills and can handle himself at the plate and that’s comforting to know that you have a bat like that coming in the middle of the diamond.

Miller: [re: AZ Fall League – there’s only so much control any one team can have over their own players?]

Sabean: Well, by naming that player as the primary player you’re pretty much guaranteeing he’s gonna play four-plus times a week; and, in Panik’s case, in Gary Brown’s case, they’ll only play a couple games a week.

Miller: [Brown had a great year in San Jose. Brass must be impressed by Brown. How good was he? How do we project him?]

Sabean: Well, we hope he’s the prototypical leadoff hitter in time. And, he certainly can play center field. And to have the type of year, first full year in pro baseball is exactly what you wanna see, so, this kid’s right on schedule. Good things are gonna happen to him. He came out of college as an accomplished all-around baseball player and that certainly helps with his being so well-rounded.

Miller: [Could Belt, Pill and Sanchez be on the big league roster next year?]

Sabean: Well, I think we’ve learned a lot about all of them and the one thing I’ll say about young players in general: the game has gone – especially true in our division – to the pitching getting so much better that, as we found out starting with Belt in his case, you wonder whether he actually earned his way onto the team or was he here by default with Ross’s injury? We know that we had to react, be quick on our feet in moving Crawford from A-ball … [Miller calls flyout, asks Sabean to continue:] We moved Crawford all the way from A-ball under duress because Pablo had gone down. We had to move Tejada to third base. In Sanchez’s case, we were scratching our heads to try to get more offense and, you know, he had jumped from a real good start of his season in San Jose to Triple-A and was holding his own and we wanted to see what it looked like in the big leagues, but, uh, I mention those three first because as we found out, they’re really not ready to play in the big leagues. We shouldn’t expect them to be ready to play in the big leagues and it’s tougher and tougher because of this pitching for them to perform; whereas, if you take somebody, by example, like Pill, who’s got three thousand at bats in the minor leagues… who’s played winter ball… seems to be a guy that you might be able to turn to next year in some form with your major league roster. So, the other three guys are still earning their way and we’re gonna figure out whether they’re in our plans or not in the immediate future.   

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by GiantPain on Sep 29, 2011 12:36 PM PDT reply actions  

There is a person in charge of a major league baseball team that actually believes this.
I mention those three first because as we found out, they’re really not ready to play in the big leagues. We shouldn’t expect them to be ready to play in the big leagues and it’s tougher and tougher because of this pitching for them to perform; whereas, if you take somebody, by example, like Pill, who’s got three thousand at bats in the minor leagues… who’s played winter ball… seems to be a guy that you might be able to turn to next year in some form with your major league roster.

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by El Person on Sep 29, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions  

that also caught my eye

but i think he was meaning to speak in the past tense rather than future… i think he MEANS that “we brought them up out of neccessity and found that they were not ready yet”… i DON’T think he is saying that NEXT YEAR they are not ready to play in the major leagues… a good followup question would have been, “although belt, pill, sanchez and crawford may have been pushed to the major league level a year too early, having now spent most of that year at the major league rather than the minor league level, does that mean that next year they ARE ready to play in the majors – or did their early promotion hurt them in such a way that NEXT year they need to go and get that additional minor league experience that they SHOULD have gotten this year?”

and now, if you’ll excuse me, i need to take my devil dog out and exorcize him…

wishyouweredead

by wishyouweredead on Sep 29, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well – watching all of those players it’s pretty clear that Pill exemplifies the clearest definition of a professional approach. He adjusts with 2 strikes, he demonstrates the ability to shorten his swing and has no glaring flaws in his swing. I don’t think anyone is saying Pill is going to have the better MLB career, it’s more matter self-analysis regarding their decisions and lamenting the injuries that forced the Crawford move. I still think most people in the org. think Belt will have great MLB career and that Crawford will be a fine player if he can level out his swing.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Sep 30, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

For a guy who used to be a scout, I can understand why he's wary of advanced statistics and would rather go with his scouting department.

I may not agree with it, but I can understand that thinking. It’s probably one of the reasons the Giants have had so much success on flyers in recent years.

But what I really cannot begin to fathom is how, by any method, you can decide Pill is a better player than Brandon Belt. Pill, the guy they DFA’d last year for a roster spot. The 27 year old first baseman who barely hit above average in his second go around in the PCL and then he didn’t hit that well for a first baseman at all. The guy who plays one position, the easiest one to find someone to play. But because he has 3000 shitty minor league ABs and has been to winter ball, he’s a better player than a guy who was rated as the #26 prospect in the game going into the season. Everything points to Brandon Belt being the better player, but now, because he struck out looking a couple times and was surprised that he started the year in the majors, management has gone out of its way to publicly trash him and move a guy who is far inferior to him by every conceivable metric past him on the depth chart. I just don’t fucking get it.

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by TGOH on Sep 29, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

I don't think he said he thinks Pill is better...

I think he was saying that with all the ABs in the minors, Pill was better prepared for a call up.

This goes back to what we argued about ad nauseum before the season; whether Belt had enough minor league experience to be ready for the majors. I favored keeping him in Fresno to start the season, but understand what they did when Ross went down.

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by Goofus on Sep 29, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

is it just the money?

in the old days, guys like ed kranepool came up at age 19 and played (with the mets) for 17 years… the 1950 phillies brought up almost their entire team in 1946 when they were teenagers (won the pennant in 1950)…

this idea of spending more time in the minor leagues, EVEN if they already had two or four years of college ball, is it just about money?…

what do you get, is it six major league seasons that you are fully controlled by the team?…

so, that means that if you brought a guy up at age 21, he would just be entering his “prime” when you either lose him or have to overpay… since he is probably going to be a better player at 27 than at 21, it would seem economically advantageous to keep a player in the minors or yo-yo him until as close to his “prime years” as you can…

i don’t buy that players who are going to be good solid major league players couldn’t be doing it at 21 – but i GET the economic constraints on bringing up young players…

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by wishyouweredead on Sep 29, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

i don’t buy that players who are going to be good solid major league players couldn’t be doing it at 21

You should. The fact that there are so few players who can do what Bumgarner has, or even Pablo, speaks to how difficult it is to be that good at that age. Even MVPs don’t show up that early.

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by quincy0191 on Sep 30, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the OP’s argument is more valid for elite pitchers than elite position players. By 21 a lot of pitcher’s raw stuff, particularly their fastball, is as good as it’s ever going to be (though many are held back by other concerns). The greater risk of injury also provides extra motivation to push pitchers through the minors faster; no point wasting those bullets in A-ball.

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by Bhaakon on Oct 1, 2011 1:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

It might be more valid

But it’s still not valid. A lot of players who are going to be elite pitchers are at 21 in college or working on their control issues or developing offspeed stuff because all they have is that fastball. I mean, Zack Wheeler’s almost 21 and he was drafted out of HS and is still in A+.

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by quincy0191 on Oct 1, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Exactly

Goofus is dead on.

In the old days – yes there was the occasional Ed Kranepool as suggested here – but generally players stayed LONGER in the minors.

Sabean as he so often does phrased his statement poorly. He could have said it in a way that was “softer” if you will, on Belt. Cause what I think he meant was they rushed the kid and that isn’t probably what was best for him.

We can scream till the cows come home taht they didn’t handle Belt right – and they surely they didn’t – but that is bridgewater.

 The aspect of Belt’s performance this year that gives cause for concern is the strikeout ratio. 57 k’s in 207 plate appearances is too many. At times he looked overmatched. Still, he is there top prospect. And I would be very surprised (and dissapointed) if he isn’t in left field on opening day.

Course – maybe Sabean was just hanging the kid out to dry. He does that at times. As I said in another thread – Sabean is somewhat of an asshole.

by lexluth7 on Sep 29, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the old days – yes there was the occasional Ed Kranepool as suggested here – but generally players stayed LONGER in the minors.

In the old days there were fewer players drafted out of college.*

*I don’t know if this is actually correct, but it certainly has an air of truthiness.

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by Bhaakon on Sep 29, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd be willing to accept that as a fair point

If that is the case, I think Sabean phrased that poorly, as was discussed below.

But at the same time, I’m worried about the FO thinking that this means Pill is a good baseball player and deserves a roster spot, especially because he hit well during his call up. Same goes for the idea of moving Pill past Belt on the 1B depth chart.

I guess, in essence, I’m worried Pill will get Velez’d and get a ton of playing time despite not being that good.

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by TGOH on Sep 30, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

And the Braves are already souring on Jason Heyward. Funny shit happens when young stud prospects don’t play like superstars right away.

by Hobbes2d on Oct 1, 2011 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

ya...heyward has an off year

and he is a bum

rofl

trade him to the giants

by bacci40 on Oct 1, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

whats funny is that last season

sabes said that stat in the pcl dont mean anything

man wants it both ways

cant have it both ways

by bacci40 on Oct 1, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is so depressing to read. Sabean still doesn’t get it. We can only hope that next year, like 2010, the team sustains critical injuries that force the organization to call up (or promote from the bench) the players that really should have been there all year. Thank goodness for injuries – the SFGiants would still be pennant-free without them.

Free Brandon Crawford!

by Lyle on Sep 29, 2011 5:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Lyle

Be careful what you ask for… We sure dont’ want another year like this one.

by lexluth7 on Sep 29, 2011 5:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Seriously...this dude still doesn't get it.

We probably aren’t making the playoffs for a long time.

Ron Paul 2012

by GovernorStephCurry on Sep 29, 2011 10:03 PM PDT reply actions  

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