An argument for Cody Ross
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 16, 2011 12:20 PM PDT
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PrintIt's not strange to be disappointed in how a Giants' season has gone. That's sort of the default. And that's not just in a annoyingly cynical Giants-fan kind of way. The default for every team is disappointment -- even Yankees fans are annoyed with how a season ends about 75% of the time. Every team goes through the woulda/shoulda/coulda/Cabreras at the end of the season.
What is strange is how disappointing this season has been so far, but how little there is to change. Usually when a team has a wretched, miserable offense, you want a different team. You want transactions that lead to other transactions, roster pyrotechnics that make flames you can see for miles. Scorched earth, building anew. The 2011 Giants aren't like that. I want the old catcher -- the new old catcher, not the old old catcher -- to come back healthy. I want a better shortstop. If Huff has to play -- and he pretty much does -- I just hope that Brandon Belt is left unmolested in left field. I'd love a right fielder with on-base skillz and power who doesn't require a six-year deal. Like, oh, Carlos Beltran.
One of my strangest (and strongest!) hopes, though, is for the offseason market for outfielders to collapse upon itself, forcing Cody Ross to slink back to the Giants on a small, short-term deal to be the fourth outfielder. Yeah, not likely. But he hasn't exactly hit well enough to start at a corner spot for most teams. And then there's the list of teams for whom he'd be an obvious, clear upgrade for in center:
Washington
You can add Oakland to that list once you figure that Coco Crisp is a free agent. The Nationals are experimenting with Jayson Werth in center, too, which would give them all sorts of options in the offseason, including bringing Bryce Harper up to cure/punch some lepers, so they might not be crazy about getting another center fielder just yet.
How much money would another team give Ross to play right field after this year? Not much, I'm assuming. Hoping, really. I'd be surprised if he got anything longer than a two-year deal, and a two-year deal would surprise me a little bit. Welcome to Proveyourselfagainonaoneyeardealsville, Cody: population, you.
Even if he were the player from the past few years, he'd help the Giants as currently constructed. He could be a floating right-handed part of a semi-platoon with Torres, Belt, and/or Schierholtz -- a role the Giants will desperately need to fill this offseason if Ross leaves. They've gotten a look at Justin Christian (two years older than Ross, by the way), and he's a cheaper, lesser version of Ross.
Justin Christian is the Polystation of fourth outfielders. Better than nothing. Provides some value. There's probably something better at the store, though. He's alright at the end of the bench, but you certainly don't want him starting. Ross starting isn't so bad. As an insurance policy, he'd be a better one in the event of breaking Giants. Or certainty. Certainty of breaking Giants.
But I also can't help but hope that Ross is in the middle of a metamorphosis. In his fewest plate appearances since 2007, he's already blown past his career high in walks. He's swinging at fewer pitches out of the strike zone, and swinging at far fewer pitches overall. It looks like he's a different hitter this year, and his reward has been less power and an even lower batting average than he's used to. Pitchers are giving less to hit, and he isn't chasing.
I'm no PitchFx magician, so I couldn't tell you if the change is meaningful. It's just something that I noticed with the ol' eyeballs and inner straw hat, and that the numbers confirmed. A more disciplined Ross could be a pretty sweet player -- something even better than the productive CF he was for the Marlins.
If not, though, I'd be satisfied with the same old Ross. He's useful to the right team, even without the stinky-yet-comfortable-slippers factor, he fits the Giants really well. Again. My big fear from this past offseason is that the Giants would rush into some weird three-year arrangement with Ross. Now one of my fears is that another team will.
Also, I have one of his bobbleheads. And he pisses Phillies fans off. That has a lot of intangible value, too. Ssory, doc! Have to get those out before the playoffs!
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I say offer him arb
If he takes it, cool. If he doesn’t, cool.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He’d make too much in arb. No way.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 16, 2011 12:28 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He'd make like 8 million, tops
And it’d be a one year deal. I don’t want him for more than one year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
And that's way too much
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 16, 2011 12:32 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sure
But you weigh that against the potential worth of a sandwich round draft pick, and it’s pretty easy to choose.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I'd offer Cody Ross
2 years, 9.5 million (4.75 per)
He gets a pay cut, but security and stability. We like him here and he likes it here. Add all typical bonuses for postseason, PAs, All-Star, etc. Add a team option for a third year at 8 million with a 2 million buyout if you need to. Get it done.
I want the comp pick more than Ross. Offer him arb first, in the hopes that he rejects it. We can always offer him a 2-year deal in your price range if he accepts arb (there’s a 5 week window of negotiation between him accpeting arb and the hearing taking place).
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I'd be fine with this
If Giants don’t agree in time, is the arbitration binding or can the Giants let him walk? I actually want Ross at the right price. If things don’t work out, comp pick is nice with Tidrow picking, even if the pickings are Maddog/Thunderbird compared to this year.
?
The arbitration hearing is an up-or-down to set a salary number. An arb tender is basically a contract offer without the salary set. If the player accepts, the hearing sets the salary (unless of course they agree to one before the hearing).
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
you might be right
both sides still have to present a case at the hearing though.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
Both sides set a number and the arbitrator picks one number or the other. No Compromises. However, the numbers don’t have to be given to the arbitrator until somtime in January, so there’s plenty of time to negotiate. In the Sabes regime only a couple of eligible guys have actually made it into the arbitrator’s office for a hearing – Sabes likes to settle before the hearing.
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So Binding Aribitration
I am less comfortable with that because we could get stuck with Ross for 1 yr at 7 million.
I can’t see Ross turning down a 2 year offer for a chance to make less money in only a 1 year deal. I have to believe that he values stability and a starting position over a possible extra $1-2M in salary over only 1 year at this point in his career.
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sort of
it’s really an odd duck, not very analogous to other sorts of arb.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Same
Per MLBTR’s latest FA compensation rankings he’s a Type B FA, so if he comes back-fine, if he doesn’t then wooo draft pick
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this
is what i was going to point out
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 16, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone doesn't know how arb compensation works!
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/free-agent-comp.html
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Just wanted to make sure that they weren’t referring to “team control” arb versus FA arb.
Name 2012
Beltran, Carlos FA
Ross, Cody FA
DeRosa, Mark FA
Lopez, Javier FA
Burrell, Pat FA
Cabrera, Orlando FA
Mota, Guillermo FA
Lincecum, Tim Arb 3
Sanchez, Jonathan Arb 3
Keppinger, Jeff Arb 3
Ramirez, Ramon S. Arb 3
Casilla, Santiago (Garcia, Jairo) Arb 3
Fontenot, Mike Arb 3
Vogelsong, Ryan Arb 3
Torres, Andres Arb 2
Sandoval, Pablo Arb 1
Romo, Sergio Arb 1
Schierholtz, Nate Arb 1
Whiteside, Eli Arb 1
Zito, Barry $19.00
Cain, Matt $15.33
Rowand, Aaron $13.60
Huff, Aubrey $10.00
Wilson, Brian $8.50
Sanchez, Freddy $6.00
Affeldt, Jeremy $0.50 (I’m assuming this is a buyout)
TOTAL – SF – O/D $72.93
Source: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=t4r9nky1EouVJsFXQlv3FKQ&output=html
By "they" do you mean me?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think the minimum offer is a 20% cut so here’s what you have to offer the Arbs (except Vogey I don’t have a salary for him)
Lincecum, Tim $11,200,000
Sanchez, Jonathan $3,840,000
Keppinger, Jeff $1,840,000
Ramirez, Ramon S. $1,320,000
Casilla, Santiago (Garcia, Jairo) $1,040,000
Fontenot, Mike $840,000
Torres, Andres $1,760,000
Sandoval, Pablo $400,000
Romo, Sergio $360,000
Schierholtz, Nate $346,000
Whiteside, Eli $340,000
I'd offer Eli Whiteside a bus ticket and sling for his arm in arbitration
by D-T on Sep 16, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
too big a risk
save on paper.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure
You have to at least offer major-league minimum salary.
......
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
by nvsfg on Sep 16, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh Bow Tie…didn’t you ever learn the importance of sending out a memos or group emails?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
CC
Captain Crunch!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
“Oh, I’m sorry, I thought I sent that email out last night.”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Unless that 2/22 Beltran thing is true. In which case we’re going to be acting like the Dodgers did last offseason.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I too would like to have Cody back
Not at a ridiculous price… but I can’t help but liking his skill set. That “sneaky power” is something that’s just so much fun when it randomly shows up for a three game set against the Phillies.
First priority though has to be a shortstop. Somebody. Anybody. Please, God, an actual major league hitter capable of playing short. That, plus guys returning healthy might be enough to make this offense respectable, even if Beltran leaves.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Sep 16, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
This is why I'm reticent.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
His history of being near league average? Or the declining trend?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Both
On the first point, because league average hitting is below average hitting from a corner, where he’d probably be playing the most.
On the second point, because it doesn’t look like he’s gonna get better.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Ross has been heating up lately. That plus the key role he played last year makes it hard to say goodbye to him. Giants can’t be sentimental and forget when they needed him most this year he did nothing.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Sep 16, 2011 12:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Yeah, it’s hard to gauge rally how good he is or how he’s been because he’s disappeared through most of the 2nd half and has only heated up, like the rest of the team, now.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish I had time to start a "Sign Beltran and Reyes" candlelight vigil outside the ballpark.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
how about in front of the homes of the Burns’ daughters? I’d like to bring a sign saying “Rain Day This”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
are they single? Maybe a couple of knowledgeable McCovey dudes can marry into the family and eventually run things. Sort of like that gardener who married Steinbrenner’s daughter.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
One of them is married (with a husband who is said to be “very interested” in the business) but the other one is single (I think- she still has her last name). I wonder if there’s a dating site out there for daughters of rich sports owners.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
start saving up
so you can buy the candles. Call it a “rainy day fund”.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem with signing Ross as a bench player
Is that Bochy will not use him that way.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 12:38 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Yerp
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That is a problem.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate is still rocking a significant reverse platoon split
So that seems counterproductive.
Doesn’t mean he wouldn’t.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You caught fire and we watched the Doc burn. Thought of your future
With one foot in the past now just how long will it last
No, no, no, have you no ribeyez,
My mother and my brothers don’t think too much of Baer
Now Neukom’s a martyr
It’s hard to be fan when sabremetrics is banned
Oh I feel so…
Something happens and I’m head over heels
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He's a pretty meh player
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Indeed
If the best argument you have is you have his bobblehead, it might be time to move on.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Suck on that, Grant.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think Grant is right. A good 4th OF, call play all 3 positions, hits LHP well. Just have to get him for 4th OF money, which, is Grant’s point I believe.
I think Grant’s point was no one is going to pay him to be much more so he’s do-able and somewhat useful. Sounds worse case scenario, not rebuild the offense.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
What is strange is how disappointing this season has been so far, but how little there is to change. Usually when a team has a wretched, miserable offense, you want a different team. You want transactions that lead to other transactions, roster pyrotechnics that make flames you can see for miles. Scorched earth, building anew. The 2011 Giants aren’t like that.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
2012 Giants outfield
LF: Ross/Belt platoon
CF: Torres
RF: Ibanez
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jTWY7nXGBQ
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Okay, so I'm stupid.
I didn’t know until just now that “natto” is a real thing. A weird food thing of some kind.
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To be fair, both nattos are sort of odd.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s aight.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah..
fermented soybeans are a little strange for the western palate.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Nattō (なっとう or 納豆?) is a traditional Japanese food made from soybeans fermented with Bacillus subtilis.
More fermenting
Kimchi 김치, is a traditional fermented Korean dish made of vegetables with varied seasonings. There are hundreds of varieties of kimchi made with a main vegetable ingredient such as napa cabbage, radish, green onions or cucumber.
Korean dishes such as kimchi stew (김치찌개
kimchi soup (김칫국
and kimchi fried rice (김치볶음밥
I like Kimchi, but I need at least two beers with it due to the heat. Also needed: thirty five breath mints.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I keep suggesting to the Giants marketing people that they open a small kiosk called the “Peppermint Palace” near one of the Garlic Fry stands. Peppermint Tums would be a big seller…. and at ballpark prices? Why the Giants could get Beltran, Reyes AND Fielder.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Please forward this on the Bill Nu...
sorry. Please forward on to our new overlord Lawrence Baer.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
First thing I thought of was the song “Peppermint Twist,” by Joey Dee and the Starlighters. Second thought was, do they make orange Tums?
Life is so much sweeter ever since TGWTWS
With that rather amazing chorus.
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I can’t quite bring myself to try it.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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I had it once and didn’t finish the serving.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Natto was very frustrated.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
What a stupid name.
いつも納豆、もっと幸せ!!
by Fermented Soybeans on Sep 16, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
and I lol'd
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Really funny blog, btw.
http://www.thesneeze.com/mt-archives/000169.php
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha
Basically, if you move it back and forth enough, you’re left with a gross, sticky mess. (Hey, natto and I have at least one thing in common!)
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
2012 "OUT"FIELD
LF_ BELT
C_ TORRES
RF_ SCHEERHOLTZ
thems a lootta outs right derr
by posey yaknowsy on Sep 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT reply actions
but no Rowand!
Savoring disappointment since 1993.
by igjarjuk on Sep 16, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
insta-rec
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
That'd be fine
If Reyes was at SS.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
mrs. nvsfg would be dissapointed if Crawdaddy was gone
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Dude got a lot of attention that day
This fifteen foot line is all women 45 minutes before game time. He had just stepped on the field for warm ups.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Hi Giants jersey sells really well considering he isn't even an every day player
Oddly enough they only seem to stock it in women’s sizes…..
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Say, that sure is a clever nickname.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ending sentences with "my good man" is also fun
“After you, may good man”
The thong is, it happened.
It's a shame . . .
. . . that old-time traditions are fading. Practically no one these days recognizes that while starting a letter "Dear Sir/Madam is reasonably formal and neutral, opening it “My Dear whatever” is (I should say “was”) ice-cold, practically a slap. It was a handy way to say some things without saying them (so to speak).
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that makes me think of pokemon
If you name your character “i say” it sounds like everyone is talking to you in british
ex: “I say, I think we should have a battle”
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
When I start a sentence with the word, “say,” I feel like I’m in a screwball comedy from the ’30s, where the phrase, “Why, I oughtta…” eventually gets said.
Life is so much sweeter ever since TGWTWS
‘Say, that dame you were with sure has some nice stems.’
‘Why, I oughtta…’
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean strikeouts. It could very easily be a regular amount of outs.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 16, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I was looking at fangraphs WAR leaderboards.
Pablo is amazing.
Despite missing more than a month, he’s STILL tied with Evan Longoria for second most valuable 3B in all of baseball (only .1 WAR behind Adrian Beltre). If you only look at the NL, he’s the most valuable third baseman by more than a full WAR. imagine what he can/could do in a full season!
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT reply actions
Why do I have to imagine?
I was here in 09!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He's probably getting more credit than he deserves for his defense.
I think he’s good with the glove, but not +12 good.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He’s very rangy.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
But yeah… +12 is generous.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
SOLD!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
sweet!
Yea I dunno what we’re talking bout
by posey yaknowsy on Sep 16, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever it is, you owe me 18 of it.
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Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he has been +12 this year, everything he does seems to work. I wouldn’t bet on him being more than +8~ish in a future season tho.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
His footwork is about 523% better than last year
Which has once again turned his arm into a plus plus weapon.
The thong is, it happened.
also, he has been worth more WAR
than Prince Fielder. In less time. I find this fascinating and hilarious.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 16, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
And yet my dad still complains about him.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
ok i know next to nothing about stats- so if someone could tell me-
why are the Fangraphs WAR different than the Baseball Reference WAR stats?
I assume people prefer the Fangraphs because they always quote them
Different ways of evaluating pitching and defense
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
also fangraphs is better
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 16, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This place gets so empty when the Giants are out of it
I mean, the post is an hour old and only 50 or so comments? STEP YOUR GAME UP, PEOPLE.
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
It’s not about the quantity.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
But while you’re waiting to be entertained, I saw Brute post this elsewhere:
How To Write Good
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't forget school.
I find it hard to be here consistently with both work and school. I still read the site because I love it here.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Sep 16, 2011 1:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know about you, though, but I came to post today. Because I’m a professional commenter and give everything 110%.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
chop city
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
From Jayson Stark
The buzz coming out of Flushing is that the Mets have very little interest in waiting around this winter for Jose Reyes to decide whether to stay or bolt. One source who’s tight with the Mets brass tells Rumblings they’re “either going to be in or out real quick.”
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
I think the major free agents are going to take awhile this offseason. Boras always does, and he has Fielder and Beltran. Reyes is going to want a contract like he’s never been hurt, and teams are going to be reluctant with his injury history. Pujols wants the biggest contract in the history of baseball. Nobody’s signing quickly unless some team gets really stupid.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
You mean, "signing Barry Zito" stupid?
I think we can do that.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. Stolen 6/11/11.
Job 1:14-15
Stark also wrote about how the Dodgers should be big spenders in free agency this winter. Because, uh, they need to. Where’s the money coming from? Nobody knows!
Logic.
The principal supporting business now is rage. -- Richard Hugo
Red China!
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
They’re bailing everybody else out. Of course, the Fodgers will have to sign over the Chavez Ravine lease and oil rights to get the money.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
BS. If you can’t have him early on at one price, but can have him later on for the same price, you refuse to have him later on? This is pretty much Stark propogating propaganda.
Savoring disappointment since 1993.
I guess what he’s saying is that if he doesn’t sign quickly they’re going to spend their money on other players, and won’t be able to afford him later even if his price comes down to what they offered. As for saying that Stark is not a reliable source, he’s quoting somebody else here. How reliable that person is is the question.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Stolen thunder
I’m in the middle of writing up a fanpost looking at what Sabes should do with all of our FAs and arb-eligible players, so Grant stole a march on me. I do agree that the Giants should take the gamble and offer Ross arbitration. Here are my main reasons.
1. Being a Type B free agent the Giants should get a supplementat round comp pick if he signs with another team. And, yes, I know that the comp pick could be lost when the CBA is renegotiated this offseason, but I can’t see that the rules will be changed to include this offseason. IMO, they’ll have to retain some semblance of the current rules for the current offseason or it will be total chaos.
2. Players only have 7 days to decide to accept or reject arbitration which is not usually enough time for them to figure out that they aren’t worth as much as they think.
3. I don’t think that Ross will get much more than what he made this year (and he could get less) if he does go to arb.
4. I can’t see that Ross will want to return to SF with a starting spot being very much up in the air. I can only see him accepting a reduced role and arb if he believes that the Giants will have a very, very good chance at winning another championship.
5. Even if Ross accepts arb and ends up back on the team, he’s a useful platoon player against LHP in any of the OF spots. I think that the Giants would be able to trade him away during the season by agreeing to eat about $1M in salary.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I like to think that the compensation system changes won’t go into effect until next offseason, but hey, you never know. Still, I’m approaching everything with that in mind.
Speaking of the changes, I’m curious—what’s the feeling out there: does the system need changes? Isn’t the compensation system good for “competitive balance”? Or should something more equitable be put into place? (And I know: good luck letting these guys figure out that new system.)
The principal supporting business now is rage. -- Richard Hugo
I think the system I going to change. The Rays are already a contender in the AL East, and they had 7 draft picks in the first round this year. That shouldn’t happen. I like the idea of compensation, but the system definitely needs modifying.
OT: is that Dexter in your user pic? I just started watching that show, and its quite good.
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha ha, yes, Dexter. Can’t wait for the new season. But I guess you have a lot of catching up to do. Well, it’ll be fun.
The principal supporting business now is rage. -- Richard Hugo
I’ve watched up to the season finale of season 2. Its my buddy’s favorite show and he’s been watching the last 5 seasons in preparation for the new one.
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The current reasoning seems to be that they’ll throw out the Type B category and only allow 1 comp pick for the more elite FAs, but nobody knows for sure.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I don't disagree with any of this
but mostly I prefer Cody at his $5M or whatever to Jonny Gomes for $10M per year for 5 years.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Ross and Torres Detroit Connection
Both were drafted by the Tigers in the 4th round, in back to back drafts. Torres in 98, Ross in 99. I would rather have them back than any of the Oakland OFs, thats for sure. Coco Crisp is an injury risk, David Dejesus has no arm and Willingham is… Willingham. Plus no draft picks for you, Billie Boy!
Ross is better than his stats show. 8MM useful though is pretty steep. If they can get him for what he’s being paid right now, I think its worth it. Type B is pretty sweet though – because it doesn’t cost the team signing him anything, so I think that’s a good risk to take.
I’m very worried that Torres is under the ax. Stats are way down but he has also had some mental goofs that Bochy was very obviously pissed about.
I think you could do a whole lot worse than a Torres/Ross platoon, plus the flexability for injuries and of course Bochy benching Belt after 3 bad games…
Now if You Crush it up and Snort It
Grant,
I’m just not into the Cody Ross sweepstakes. Sometimes he is tasty but most of the time he is full of Slag. Give a kid in the organization a break. We don’t need another bum Rowand sitting on the bench thinking his past heroics entitle him to a spot in the line-up.
We don't really have a kid in the organization that is ready
And if anything, Ross has always struck me as very aware that his past heroics entitle him to nothing in the future.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
He will out and out tell you so.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be super cool if Brown was ready to step in at the big league level and contribute, wouldn’t it?
And Tyler Graham?
The 27 year old who hit .273/.337/.338 in his 2nd go at Fresno? Yeah, he’s MLB quality.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
what if Reyes was signed for a 4 year, bag full of rubber duckies contract?
Savoring disappointment since 1993.
nope
pablo is making peanuts right now, so it’s not like we’re paying him anything anyways. timmy has never been injured, reyes has a history of injury.
still no on both.
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
then ernie would prolly swoop in on him
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
All The Way In
LOL
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
there is no and then there is noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
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by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Reyes have a nickname that can be turned into a hat? If not, i’m sticking with Pablo
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You could make a crown!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
reyes hat
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by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
We need to be a joke out of the league as well!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Take my Giants, pu-lease!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I read somewhere, awhile back about some fan from some other team coming out to SF for a game and thinking the hats were dopey…. Until the sun set, the fog rolled in and he and his family froze their asses off.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
This is the experience of many a visiting fan.
Ah, California! It is so sunny. Look at all these weak Californians wearing jackets and hats to a baseball game. They could never survive on the East Coast. Oh look, the sun is setting and the fog is rolling in. How picturesque! Oh shit, it’s cold.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t talking about southerners. More like the Northeast.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
What I mean is that I was adequately prepared for what was, for me, unusually cold weather. We Southerners are people of little tolerance for clammy cold.
A listener-supported service
Just like I have little to no tolerance for humidity. Go us for living in our appropriate climates
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
When I lived in NY
I worked for the American Craft Council, which does a craft show at Ft. Mason every summer. When new people would hire on, we would tell them how cold it gets on the piers in August and to bring their winter coats and they never believed it. It was kind of fun to watch them shivering.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
‘But it’s August!’
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s like rosterbation for aversion therapy.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
So writing a PACT for the credential is really repetitive and annoying
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Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 1:29 PM PDT reply actions
Justin Christian is the Polystation of fourth outfielders. Better than nothing. Provides some value. There’s probably something better at the store, though. He’s alright at the end of the bench, but you certainly don’t want him starting.
This is being pretty nice to Christian, imo.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
he's my leading candidate
for the 2012 “Bruce Bochy Most Performance-Independent Starts” Award
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This will not prevent Bochy from attempting to write him into the lineup next year.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Shit
I read it as Polynesian the first few times, until I just read your comment.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Nah going for 6 tonight
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 16, 2011 1:39 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I still think the fastest way to turn a buck in this organization and get some hitting would be to trade a pitcher. take you pick too.
We do not need three top pitchers if we had a top hitter.
its not a 1:1 correlation
pitching beats hitting and we just need a couple more smaller bumps across the eligible board, and not just one super upgrade that comes with 3 AAA/A players
by posey yaknowsy on Sep 16, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Potentially three
If they get their heads out of their asses and let Belt play everyday.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
nah, we just need to avoid gaping holes of suck in certain line-up spots, like catcher, short stop, and second base. And for two of those three, I hear we have solutions waiting in the wings. We could also stand to have above replacement level subs in case someone gets hurt.
We could stand to trade some of our organizational depth (for example at catcher) to acquire a player who is currently maligned (Morrison), blocked by a better prospect (Cord Phelps), or blocking a younger, potentially better prospect (nothing comes to mind off the top of my head, but they’re out there).
Otherwise make a big splash with a top of the line bat.
Savoring disappointment since 1993.
Cain for Fielder!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Since we're talking arb and contracts
Does anyone know what Panda will ask for and what he’s likely to get this off-season in arbitration? Because last night was the metaphorical cherry on top of the metaphorical “Awesome contract year” sundae. Plus there are all those Panda hats flying off the shelves, which must mean millions in marketing bucks to the team.
I think he’s currently being paid around $460,000, and I’m guessing he could easily ask for 20 times that much. Am I wrong?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Hopefully they just sign him to a long term deal that buys out Arb and some FA
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
That's what I'm assuming they'll do
I wonder what that final number will be in terms of years/salary.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
6 years 68 million
chacha bowls for life
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by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing that scares me with this...
…is that the idea of him getting too comfortable with a big contract and letting his conditioning get away from him. I hope that’s not the case, but it still scares me.
The thong is, it happened.
Yeah
I almost put in a bit about waiting until the end of the offseason to see him stick to his new diet/exercise program.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
The Red Sox put a weight clause in Schilling’s last contract. The Giants should consider doing the same for Pablo.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering if that's allowed
If so, 100% yes.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
In this line
Hard to say how much of his disciplined conditioning regimen last off-season was “my team read me the riot act and my career is at stake” and how much was “how well I play next season will affect how much I get paid going forward.” Probably a bit of both. With neither of those factors at play, who’s to say how motivated he’ll be to keep off the extra lbs.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Quotes translated to Panda speak
"Boshee mad, Saybeen mad, say I too fat"
"I play good I paid good!"
The thong is, it happened.
Then you need to smile and perform a complicated handshake with the person nearest to you
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, the handshake needs to be specific to the individual.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
/Bob Dole’d
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
it doesn't directly answer your question,
but I’d like to see Panda retire as a Giant, right next to Cain.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Damn, got chopped, LOLineup
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Lineup: Ross CF, Keppinger 2B, Beltran RF, Sandoval 3B, Huff 1B, Belt LF, Crawford SS, Stewart C, Bumgarner P.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
not bad
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It worked last year!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 16, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt starting two days in a row?
What kind of tomfoolery is this?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
He hit a home run.
He will start until he doesn’t hit a home run. Or until the other team has a lefty starter.
i dont see what vietnamese money has to do with anything
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
bribed with dongs
sounds like a good porn title
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
kind of funny to see all the many meanings of dong
Dong may also mean:
Penis or dildo (slang)
Long Dong Silver, a pornographic actor
A language game where words are spelled out and consonants have the syllable -ong added on the end
A creature in the nonsense poem of Edward Lear, The Dong with a Luminous Nose
A home run in the sport of baseball
A hot dog or German sausage
I find it hard to read this poem without visualizing the dong as an anthropomorphized penis
But when the sun was low in the West,
The Dong arose and said, -
“What little sense I once possessed
Has quite gone out of my head!”
And since that day he wanders still
By lake and forest, marsh and hill,
Singing – "O somewhere, in valley or plain
“Might I find my Jumbly Girl again!
“For ever I’ll seek by lake and shore
“Till I find my Jumbly Girl once more!”
fermented beans
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Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I have taken a day off of work to do that.
I remember thinking about that old perv guy on Laugh-In and it made me laugh.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
You aren’t old enough to remember that show!!! I’m barely old enough to remember that show!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Merope is getting agitated that someone else is trying to horn in on his status as the crotchety old guy around here
The first six innings are overrated.
yes
that’s veeeerrrrry interestink.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
NO GIRLS ON THE INTERTUBES!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow did I screw that one up again? Bah.
The first six innings are overrated.
what about the fallopiantubes
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by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope no gyno
has ever said this when talking about infertility
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
girls = guys in real life
Duh
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching Laugh-In is one of my earliest memories.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was somewhere between 4-8 when it was on. (I’m too lazy and otherwise occupied to go do all the calcu-ma-lations right now.) And I remember it being a big ole family controversy if I should even watch it.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Interesting. That was my experience with The Simpsons. I remember my grandmother being staunchly opposed to me watching it, because it was so harmful to kids. What with Bart Simpson challenging the world to eat his shorts and all. It’s amazing how tame it seems today.
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heh
my mom was horrified that my nephew was watching the Simpsons. I don’t think she ever saw South Park, or paid attention to it.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I think that’s better than the other view some parents take. “It’s a cartoon so of course it’s for children!”
Unlikely as it seems I’ve had that discussion more than once with parents from other countries. “No, really your 4 year old probably should not be watching Beavis and Butthead.”
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I’ve heard Groening toned it down due to guilt about that very subject.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Groening has some very funny large “little” books out there that came out before the Simpsons…. called “Work is Hell”, “Life is Hell” and so forth…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_in_Hell
Really, really, funny, cynical stuff. It’s bound in a bunch of big & small collections. I know Green Apple carries some, and most bookstores have at least a few. Check them out if you can.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Sep 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I still have a Work is Hell coffee mug
right here on my desk. It has Binky on the outside with the same mug (infinite regress style), and on the inside bottom of the cup it shows Binky saying “Get back to work.”
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
http://hurryupharry.org/2011/07/19/mistakes-have-been-made/
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 16, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s also their cameos on The Simpsons
http://www.hulu.com/watch/35067/the-simpsons-sex-eductation-film
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 16, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what I like about this blog, if I know about a jewel, chances are another one of you already knows about it. So cool.
My mom actually took the “Nine types of parents” strip and framed it for me.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 16, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG, take me back to the days of Jeff and Akbar.
His one on graduate school has to be the funniest, and most truthful, set of observations ever made on that dreadful subject.
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Sep 16, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I read them way back when…
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
White is a righthander, correct?
…
Poor Fontenot.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
ROSS AS A 4TH OF!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
F
/preemptive cap tip
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ross CF, Keppinger 2B, Beltran RF, Sandoval 3B, Huff 1B, Belt LF, Crawford SS, Stewart C, Bumgarner P.
Okay.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Thought that I had
Between 2001 and 2004, Barry Bonds was on average a roughly +100 hitter. What would a +100 fielder look like?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
only half kidding
The first six innings are overrated.
trout?
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
just looked up that guy
jeez is he fast
is torii hunter still any good?
Trout is supposed to be really quick too right?
their outfield defense is going to be legendary
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably not possible
because of pitching’s disproportionate responsibility for run prevention.
Yeah, no actual player could be that good. How good would a hypothetical super-player have to be?
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
First, you would need a LF and a RF that literally do nothing. Then you get a CF that covers the whole outfield as well as a regular 3-person outfield. Maybe that’s +100.
kinda like
Torres in CF, Burrell in LF, Guillen in RF?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Superman in CF
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
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Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
+24
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Assuming Sanchez gets a day for his neck
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
He's already proven himself a better player than either Stewart or Whiteside.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah for sure
I’d be surprised if Whiteside plays at all the rest of the season.
Timmy seemed to love Hec, plus he can actually hit a baseball and draw walks.
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 16, 2011 2:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol what?
He hasn’t proven anything. He’s clearly a couple steps below Stewart defensively and he isn’t his offense isn’t even close to Stewart’s numbers. How is that “already proven himself a better player than either Stewart or Whitside”?
by HungryHunter on Sep 16, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
pretty sure that when he has more than 20 AB or whatever, or ages past 21, he’s going to be a better hitter than either of them.
That said he is 21 and pretty green.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes I don't like knowing how much a player might cost
I like Cody Ross and would like him to stay. Damn the details.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
This.
I miss the days of being a little kid, and just rooting for a player because you liked them and not having all the front office considerations in your head
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Brian should have a roulette wheel in his office
On the wheel would be various dollar amounts. Each arb eligible guy would spin the wheel to determine their salary.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT reply actions
wheel of misfortune
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Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Free agents would be treated differently, of course
For those guys, Brian would have a Let’s Make A Deal set built in his office. The free agents would have to choose what was behind one of the curtains or be satisfied with their parting gifts.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
burrell keeps choosing the models and not the suitcases
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Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow.
Most of those headshots are AWFUL.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Sep 16, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Mambo number 5?
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 16, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
27 spots say "$1 million"
one says “$11M to Rainy Day Fund, GTFO”
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 16, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he has such a wheel
But ties Susan to it and gets out the throwing knives
The thong is, it happened.
DISCUSSION TOPIC
How much is it going to take to sign Bill Hall this offseason, and would you or would you not give up Buster Posey to get him??
HAWT!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont think that fresno is going to let bill hall go for anything less the posey and belt
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, he was on the team at some point this year.
by Natto on Sep 16, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would give up ALL the Buster Poseys!
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Yay.
Ortiz KO in the 7th.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. Stolen 6/11/11.
Job 1:14-15
This is awesome. I’m literally LOLing in my chair at work. The money quote:
Hall of Famer Tommy Lasorda: Today, they manage with statistics. You can’t do it. Statistics are lies. Believe me, they’re lies.
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
Tommy manages with lasagna and straw hats.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
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Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
whats the best?
besides jackie robinson of course.
Dodger dogs?
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Ralph Branca’s pitch selection.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 16, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah,
they showed him in the crowd at the US Open and I was like, “Sandy Koufax is still alive?”
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
He's one of those dudes that's better looking 40 years later than when he played
The thong is, it happened.
I had to recite the story about how Koufax refused to pitch on Yom Kippur during my Bar Mitzvah ceremony- the rabbis put it in the Torah.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Philly. And he did pitch on Friday but didn’t on Yom Kippur during a World Series, thus elevating him to Sainthood among the members of the Tribe, that is if we had Saints
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
billingsly?
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He was playing for the Cubs, but was also a Dodger
…and it took place at Dodger Stadium
The thong is, it happened.
Stories about Pedro Guerrero
The Pedro Guerrero Steve Sax golf story is a great one.
And having your defense attorney use your low IQ to illustrate that you simply couldn’t be smart enough to traffic cocaine is also funny.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm going to put on my hipster contrarian glasses and put on some Grizzly Bear to say.....
….he was the best thing for the Dodgers since they moved West. Perfect villain for Giants’ fans and perfect publicity machine for baseball, a great fat cartoonish Italian larger than life figure who coached some pretty great teams and made a great foil to the Evil Empire of the Yankees.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
the best thing, Ramon Martinez?
think about it.
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 16, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I want the new portal 2 content that was sorta promised for late summer/early fall, from what i remember
The first six innings are overrated.
Is it a game yet? I could only play Legos for so long.
(That’s a lie, I could play with Legos forever.)
I'm really enjoying it.
The Creeper mobs piss me off to no end, but there’s quite a bit of room for creativity, while still being simple. Makes for a nice game to play while having the Giants or the gf talking in the background.
I just started Portal 2, but haven’t ever had the chance to play Portal. I so totally downloaded that this morning.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I really just started. Like totally just.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
it took me about a week to finish it.
so very very funny…
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Sep 16, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
took me about a week to get thru it.
so very very funny.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Sep 16, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Wooooooboy....
Andrew Baggarly
The Nike rep is here. Brian Wilson is taking possession of a pair of Back to the Future II Marty McFly shoes. Of course.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
well color me disappoint
Andrew Baggarly
Oh lord. The shoes come with an AC adapter.
They should be SOLAR POWERED!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Lucky bum
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 16, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This one wants to grow up to be delicious
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be amusing to see that lion cub trying to eat that piglet
I imagine lion gnawing on the pig’s head and the pig saying “Ow! Stop that.”
The thong is, it happened.
St-, st-, stop- … cut that out!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Not seen in that picture is him talking to a group of sheep and asking politely if they’d follow him
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s my go to “I hate my life and need something to cheer me up” movie
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Facebook LOLs
Dude on a group I post on talking about Nyjer Morgan, who’s some other guy’s white whale -
Charlie – If I have to hear about that piece of poo one more time, I am going to snap. I don’t want Morgan and his negative energy anywhere near the clubhouse. Next thing you know our humble Gary Brown will be listening to NWA and wearing diamond studed earings all over the club house.
I responded to his obvious coded racism:
yeah god forbid our humble good-natured (white) prospects start listening to the rap musics and wearing the “bling” and developing a (black) attitude.
And he Liked my response.
My fault for employing sarcasm, I guess. Also, doesn’t Gary Brown tweet about hip-hop?
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 16, 2011 2:59 PM PDT reply actions
listening to nwa and wearing diamond studed earings all over the club house
as opposed to limiting it to just the free speach area of the club house.
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
From the limited times I’ve seen him interviewed, Gary Brown seems like the kind of guy that would sincerely use the word “Golly”, and it would take him 6 seconds to say it.
The first six innings are overrated.
/listens to taylor swift
a lot. according to his twitter
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 16, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
taylor swift, the female rapper?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfdefW5dnU0
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Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Beltran is not optimistic that Andres Torres is ever going to be good again?
“We’ve been using Cody Ross, and there are a lot of guys trying to fill that hole,” Beltran said. "At the same time, you need to find a guy who’s a natural hitter, who can take pitches, find a way to get on base, those type of things.
Andres Torres was that guy last year, but “it’s been a tough year for him,” Beltran said. “The guy tries hard every single day, works hard. At the end of the day, hopefully next year he can be the guy he was last year. He’s a great guy.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?entry_id=97708#ixzz1Y9l2aWro
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/giants/detail?entry_id=97708&tsp=1
“Hopefully next year he can be the guy he was last year” sounds optimistic to me.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
It sounded like what you might hear from a doctor when your loved one is dying (hopefully he will bounce back)…
I don’t get that at all.
He acknowledges that Torres is having a rough year, as do we all.
He hopes that he can have a reprise of 2010, as do we all.
It doesn’t seem like he’s certain or terribly confident that he will, but none of us is.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
You never know how these reporters write these interviews up, so we are all just guessing.
At the beginning of the interview, Beltran says:
“I think that’s what I see from this year, the time that I’ve been here. We’ve had great pitching, a great bullpen. At the end of the day, the issue here has been, the team doesn’t score runs. The only way you can manufacture runs is to have a guy at the top of the lineup who gets on base, steals bases and makes the job easier for the guys behind.”
He then goes on to say that Jose Reyes fits the bill of being that guy. I would guess that Schulman followed up with some question about Ross or Torres and so as not to make waves in the clubhouse, he said nice things about both. Ultimately, it is hard to imagine that he is advocating to go out and spend gobs of money on a FA leadoff hitter if he has great confidence that Torres is going to bounce back.
Considering how Torres idolizes Beltran, I hope this doesn't get him down
but Beltran doesn’t sound overly critical of Torres, just realistic that he hasn’t been great this year. He doesn’t say that he won’t ever be good again
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not really a leadoff guy, even if and when he rebounds.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Just so.
I said somewhere else recently that ideally he’s a #6, maybe even a #5 hitter; his chiefest asset is actually his power, but I think when he’s in leadoff—at least this year—he has tried more to smack singles and the occasional double. His OB% even in his good years was under .350.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I prefer my video games be non-computerized.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's pretty flamboyant.
I don’t think Marcus could pray hard enough to help.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Outfield
I’m assuming Beltran is gone. If he isn’t its a bonus. But I think the odds are very low. That leaves the following coming back: I also am assuming Burrell is retiring. Although that may be wrong.
Ross, Christian, Torres, Nate, Belt.
In a word. HELP.
Lets say Belt gets left. Lets hope so. Casue if he doesn’t it means he’s digressed (or is perceived to have done so).
I can’t understnd why Nate isn’t given the shot to play Center. He runs well, gets a good jump and has a gun. As a centerfielder, I suspect he has more value.
That leaves Ross, Torres and Christian. The latter will have a real shot next year – but hopefully as the number 5 outfielder. I see little chancethe Giants retain both Ross and Torres.
Torres will be cheaper – but he’s also much riskier. The odds of him eing a one year wonder are high.
So – Belt, Nate, Christian, Ross. Pretty bleak in my opinion. I’m hoping they sign two FA outfielders. Or get one in a trade. Just give me a guy with a high obp that can run.
Belt does have a lot of trouble staying on topic, it’s true.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Reminds me of that commercial
Where that nerdy old guy goes in front of the power suites and start off with the whole “but I digress” or something like that.
by Myemail21479 on Sep 16, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow - i deserved that one
regressed. Just like my english skills.
Speaking of Belt, he’s apparently got a new blog post up.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
sorry it took for-ev-er to load
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
awwwwww
During the off day last week, Haylee and I went to see Baby Brandon again at Six Flags in Vallejo. I was taller than him last time, and this time he was taller than me by a little bit. He is so cute. We spent the whole day up there — me, Edlefson, Matt Cain and Cody Ross and our spouses/families. The coolest thing we did was put on wet suits and swim with the dolphins. We rode on the back of one. We got to get up close to an elephant, who raised his leg so we could sit on it. For someone like me who loves animals, those people at Six Flags have the coolest job you could ever have.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
He swam with dolphins. That is awesome
However, Matt Cain doesn’t swim with dolphins. Dolphins swim with Matt Cain.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
matt cain doesnt know how to swim
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Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
/golf clap
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Lincecum for Topo Gigio!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope.
Memorex
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
The name of that site is misleading. For instance, the deer beer tap is AWESOME.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That's pretty neat
He didn’t just go once for the photo op, but is really into seeing his namesake again
The thong is, it happened.
For example, in batting practice, Bonds always worked on hitting the ball the other way. His strength, of course, was pulling the ball.
Who was it that was saying that it’s a bad thing for Torres to try and hit the other way in batting practice? I’m too lazy to gloat properly….
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
/feels repentant
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
just like in the sims
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Sep 16, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Bonds talked a lot about how he prepared for the game. It got me thinking about how I prepare myself and what I could do better.
Did Barry say that part of his pregame routine included blogging about his trips to amusement parks?
Sorry- I love Brandon (the person)
But he needs to blog less. We already have way too much insight into his inner demons from the Franchise. I don’t mean to be a total bewb, but can anyone imagine Buster blogging about this ridiculous crap?
It is....
Pretty sure he just talks to someone in the front office who then types it up and it hits the web.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Me being hard on Brandon or Brandon blogging about the trip to Six Flags or the whole conversation about the fact that I am being critical of the fact that he was blogging?
pretty silly, not particularly silly, really fucking silly
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 16, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt spends way less time blogging than certain other players do twittering, tweeting, what ever.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I can see both sides… I like Belt’s refreshing honesty, but can see the virtue of stoicism as well.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
nah, he preferred a solid hour of stepping on the skulls of newborn puppies
it gave him that competitive edge and firmed up his calves!
also, LOL.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 16, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably did not say that.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Beltran was telling Torres to always go the other way in the cage on Showtime. I think this is excellent advice. I can’t remember who took exception.
Knowing me, I might be misremembering.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Interesting
Beltran was telling Torres to always go the other way in the cage
Sounds like Beltran should check out the Folsom Fair
The thong is, it happened.
You know...
…I’ve seen many less attractive sights than Andres Torres in full leathers. That’s quite a nice visual.
Famous old saying:
Good players work on their strengths; great players work on their weaknesses.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
/Brad Pitt Moneyball voice
“…and then there’s Scott Rowand.”
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Under the 50 feet of crap!
Don’t forget about the 50 feet of crap
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So… when’s the rookie hazing trip this season? The season is not over until we see various newbs dressed up as various superheroes.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I like Ross
Hope he stays. I think for the cheaps he is good CF. He is not a comfortable out for any pitcher and when he gets hot he can carry the team, as they say. No real weakness to his game, good defender, range, speed, arm, power, walks… just not really special in any of those either.
Silly me, thinking I could open the windows….
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I appreciate a good playoff race that may knock out one of the big teams
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
the only problem is if the Sox blow it, we’ll have to hear all the endless, epic articles written about how awful it was as Doris Kearns Goodwin, George Will, and Bill Simmons will all appear on ESPN to cry into their Sox t-shirts and talk about how Grandpa Sully died knowing they blew a pennant race
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 16, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Plus they might realize that pitching actually matters and try to steal one of ours
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 16, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
They can have two.
Sanchez and Zito for Pedroia and Ellsbury!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Sep 16, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
The problem with Ross is . . .
. . . that he’s really just Nate Schierholtz in a costume (or vice-versa). One or the other of those guys would make a decent fourth outfielder (but only decent); what one would do with both I don’t know. And Schierholtz is younger and arguably the better fielder.
As it stands looking to 2012, the realistic OF candidates show a hole: the OK choices appear to be Torres, CF; Belt, RF or LF (preferably LF but RF if a really good LF-only possible shows up); Schierholtz, 4th of; Christian, 5th (emergency) of. There is a gaping hole in one corner. Till recently, that would have been filled by Pat Burrell, and all would have been well or better; but now they need to replace him, with a similar hitter or—even better—with a genuine high-value true-leadoff type.
Re-upping Ross would just put him in as the right fielder, and that is unsatisfactory. Mind, if he’s cheap enough, I’d certainly take him over Christian, and let him abnd Schierholtz battle it out for 4th vs 5th.
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Torres
What makes you think Torres was anything other than a one-year wonder. Why at 34 will he improve next year? What makes him an OK choice? He strikes out a ton. and he gets hurt a fair amount. He’s totally lost at the plate right handed and he’snot a particuarly high OBP guy. He is very good defensively.
Belt in right? What makes you think he can handle RF defensively at AT&T. Personally I want him at left. The less he as to worry about defense the better.
Why haven’t the Giants told Nate to work on playing center. I don’t get that one. The outfield looks very very weak.
The facts.
That he had a medical condition that was only relatively recently addressed with medications, following which he was a different player (some say he also learned a new hitting stroke, but let that go by). He was not a “one-year” wonder; go look up some of my (and others’) comments in the later part of 2009. (And notice how even his minor-league numbers differ from 2007 on as compared to 2006 and before.)
Torres’ TOP in 2009 was 1068 (not far off what Beltran’s has been as a Giant this year). and in 2010 was 897, which is still terrific. Moreover, most of his value is in his walks rate and his power, things that tend to be stable.
What makes me think Belt can handle RF is that he is deceptively fast for a seeming galoot, and has a first-class arm in terms of both strength and accuracy. He may not be Schierholtz or Torres, but he would certainly be adequate (and vastly better than Molasses Beltran).
Why the Giants haven’t used Nate in CF only they know, but you don’t need to tell someone to “work on” playing a position he played for the US Olympic Team. But fine fielder or not, he is a mediocre hitter, at very best another Cody Ross.
The outfield needs exactly one man: a big-offense LF or RF (which is just what Pat Burrell was till he injured that foot).
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Torres was rewarded this year
with periodic extended benchings and a free trip to Fresno while Huff and Rowand got to play daily until even the Giants saw they were adrift. Maybe statistics don’t measure confidence, but I believe their utter abandonment of Torres really hurt him. And perhaps Ross’ unfortunate injury will mean he can have a couple of weeks to play regularly, and if he hits well, he’ll of course demonstrate he’s the greatest player in the universe.
But if they keep running Christian and Ford out there regularly after Cody’s gone, I think the writing is on the wall for Torres and they save $10 by not offering him arbitration.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 17, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate etc
I think Nae as another Ross is pretty accurate. The difference is they Nate will be paid several million less.
Burrell is finished, I’m afraid.
Disagree with you on Torres. Although, I hope you are right. His drop off this year was huge – especially in the power arena. And if he doesn’t hit for power (I’m talking primarily extra base hits – not HR’s. Andres was a doubles machine in’10) , the strikeouts are unacceptable.
In the end I suspect they keep Nate cause he’s relatively cheap. And he showed more this year – so maybe he has some upside.
I think Ross is gone. Torres I also think will be out – but that may be a closer call.
They need to bring in two outfielders. That will not be easy.
Cody is preferable in CF
Nate has no punch and Cody, despite a poor OBP, has always had some pop going back to 06 when he was a Dodge/Red/Marlin. He’d be our Chris Young, albeit not as good defensively. But competent. So I like keeping Cody at the right price and I’m afraid I agree with others that Andres may have been a one-year wonder. We need to fill the leadoff spot and SS and YOU KNOW WHO would be perfect there but I doubt the front office is willing to give him the $$. Plus NY will probably have to re-sign him. So that is a major hole.
Otherwise I hope to see Beltran in RF, Belt in LF, Nate the #4 OF.
As Grant points out, this team is not as bad offensively when all players are healthy.
Don't believe everything you think.
There are measures . . .
. . . all sorts of measures, that weigh all the components of batting to produce a single metric. Their details vary, but they all more or less agree. Saying that so-and-so has “no punch” but a good OB%, wile thus-and-so has lots of power but a low OB% is to revert to baseball “analysis” as conducted in taverns two or three generations ago.
Cody and Nate are essentially Tweedledum and Tweedledee.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I think Ross should stay in center.
Hoping he could play better next year, maybe hit .250+. And I think they should pick up someone new to play one of the corners. Andre Ethier is hurt so he would fit right in with the Giants.
Rally Freddy!!!
Andre Ethier in AT&T's right field is a horrifying concept
Mind you, I’d take a flyer on him in LF next year and move Belt to first. But that’d be long down the list of spending priorities.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 16, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Pro Ross or not pro Ross, it is bottom of priority list this offseason
Larry Baer said he was not against getting big free agent, specificaly not against Pujols or Fielder. Neither of those guys are what I would take first, but Beltran mentioned he would not come back unless they had offensive boost.
The real question is, can we get a good FA bat, and build around that? Ross for the right price is good, but with possibly Beltran or Huff being out there, with Nate and Belt around for a while… he makes less sense as a 5 mil a year 4th guy, Torres makes more sense for that.
There is something about Larry Baer I don't trust.
Don’t know why.
Then I guess it doesn't matter, hm?
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Not sure what you mean
Hope I’m wrong on Baer – but he just seems like a yes man.
What I meant . . .
. . . is that if you have no idea why you don’t “trust” him (what, are you lending him money?), then that distrust is meaningless.
And to whom is Mr. Baer supposedly issuing all those putative Yeses? To the people who actually own the fucking ball club? What is he supposed to do, constantly say No to the owners? That is a strange idea of a CEO’s function.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Timing
Let’s wait till the season ends before deciding who stays and who goes. We’ve seen lots of players who alternate good years with bad. As long as we’re not out of the post-season yet, we can talk about the 25 man roster for October before looking for next year’s team.
Eight Games Left.
Well it has been an interesting season. The pitching was terific, the fielding adequate, the hitting atrocious. I just wanted to say good ridance to the following pretenders. Here is hoping we get some speed and the ability to move runners on the basepaths next year.
Good Riddance Mark Derosa. You came here injured and you leave here with a fat wallet.
Good bye Cody Ross. What a disappointing season.
Go Away Pat Burrell. Take your slow bat and slow feet to the DH position in the American League.
Andres Torrez. You had your fifteen minutes of fame. Followed by a tortuous season of shame.
O. Cabrera. Wake up dude. That slow roller just went up the middle.
Eli’s going, Eli’s going, Eli’s going. I think thats a song.
Mr. Ford. There is little room on a roster for a pinch runner.
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