Bill Neukom Out, Michael Tucker In
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 14, 2011 5:55 PM PDT
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PrintDon't know much about the inner workings of a front office. Don't know what it's like to sit around with a bunch of fellow millionaires and discuss the proper path of one of my most substantial investments. As a negative-fifty-thousandaire, I like to push some buttons and dick around with my 401(k) every so often. A meeting of the Executive Committee of the Giants' ownership group is probably a combination of messing with a small 401(k) and reading the comments in a McCovey Chronicles post.
Yeah, just like that. Unless it's not.
So I can't pretend to have a real strong opinion on Bill Neukom being deposed. It's going to be a mostly uninformed opinion either way. He sure seems like he's a big Giants fan. I am too! We should hang out. The money quotes from the Purdy article, though, that are freaking everyone out -- and they should -- are these:
Neukom's own falling-out with the Giants' executive committee, say the baseball sources, began over how to spend the additional millions that flowed into team coffers following the World Series championship...Neukom, it is said, believed that this was his money to spend as he saw fit -- and he did so, to increase payroll and buy new technology for the baseball department, among other expenditures. Instead, the executive committee allegedly wanted the money to be put in a "rainy day fund" for use in leaner times.
Here's where I have to plead ignorance. "New technology for the baseball department" could be anything. It sounds fancy -- some sort of PitchFx super-robot that can also create the perfect defensive stat? -- but it's a vague, vague description. The griping about the increased payroll seems like it's stingy misers being stingy with the profits they made from the World Series, but it could also be a bunch of people looking at a combined $50 million going to players who were awful this year and thinking, man, this money is being wiped and flushed.
And the "rainy day" quote is ominous too. But maybe that rainy day is when Lincecum and Cain are given huge contracts, and Pablo and Posey are entering their arbitration years. There's a way to frame that quote to mean: "Seriously? Tejada and Huff? We have to keep Lincecum and Cain around and build a team around them for the next five years."
The quotes sure do sound terrifying. But they're vague and from an unknown source. The real reason for the executive committee's discontent is still a mystery.
Here's what I do know, and while it isn't much, it's enough to make me a little queasy:
Sabean: I would like a good1 free-agent outfielder. My plan is to pay him $1.5 million in 2004, and $2.0 million in 2005.Ownership group: Is he really good?
Sabean: Oh, yes. He's a pro.
Ownership group: You'll pay him $1.5 million next year? But we're already maxed out on payroll. Will he really help the team?
Sabean: Oh, certainly. He is ever so good. He is the missing piece2.
Ownership group: Sorry. Can't do it. Can't increase the payroll. But if you can find the money from somewhere else, we'll talk.
Sabean: Uh, I suppose we can sign this outfielder before the arbitration deadline on purpose. That way, we'll give away our first-round pick and save $1 million.
Ownership group: Everybody wins! Love it. Thanks. If you can throw us that sack of doubloons on your way out, that'd be great. Our collective naked bodies aren't going to scrub themselves!
1 not good
2 he was not
The people in that fake-yet-not-fake conversation didn't go away. One is in charge of the personnel moves, and the other is back in charge of the finances. I don't know who said "Punt the draft bonus, and he's yours." I'm just sure Neukom wouldn't have said that. Sabean was a fool for thinking Michael Tucker was a better investment than a late-first-round pick. But ownership was even more stupid for not giving a GM the authority to add Michael freaking Tucker for a salary that wasn't that far over the MLB minimum without slashing another part of the budget first.
It seems like those people are all back in charge now. I don't know if this move is good, bad, or irrelevant, but I have a hunch. The hunch is that the Giants are going to look for profits more than wins now. They'll get the profits. If the wins come too? Gravy. It worked so well for the Niners and Warriors, the idea was bound to take off.
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Ugh
None of this will amount to any good.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:01 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah I'm trying hard not to go into panic mode over this
But Neuk was so clearly enthusiastic about baseball, and the information we have is so damningly phrased, that it is very easy to see this as a clear-cut case of “business over baseball.”
I hope I’m wrong.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 6:02 PM PDT reply actions
So was Peter Magowan.
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So are the fans who in a poll today, chose Eli Whiteside as the Giant they want to see most next year.
I also wouldn’t mind seeing Whiteside, as long as it’s at a random Jack in The Box drive through window. I’d thank him for getting my order correct and enjoy the jalapeno poppers immensely.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jalapeno poppers are so bueno
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Like chicken fried steak with gravy
With a side of extra bacon and eggs and hash browns, all mixed together. Breakfast of champions man.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
/happily pats belly
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
At Black bear
You get that with two biscuits as well.
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wat
was this a Comcast thing?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, after the game
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
A parent told me at Back to School night. That’s all I talked about with that group: 25 parents and two Giant fan dads.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
BACK TO SCHOOL!!
CALL ME WHEN YOU HAVE NO CLASS!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
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by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s how he do.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
EW: “Hold up.”
SF: “What?”
/EW trots out to car
EW: “I think you should go with the curly fries.”
SF: “No, I’m avoiding starches.”
EW: “Trust me, this is what you want to do here.”
SF: “Okay, I’ll give it a shot.”
/EW returns to window, promptly throws order past car and into parking lot
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
by waelwulf on Sep 14, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
hahaha
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
So was Peter McGowan
Exactly. I met him and spoke with him like my next door neighbor. Spent 20-25 minutes with him. Just talkin’ baseball. He knew baseball. He liked baseball. He made some very very poor decisions based on money and those very very poor decisions led to even more (and disastrous) poor decisions (read: Zito and Rowand). Sabean has always been saddled with McGowan’s legacy, and those included signing the Michael Tuckers and Ricky Ledees of the world instead of the Vlad Guerreros who would have made Bary Bonds even more important and the team a World Series contender. Let’s not over react but let’s hope that this off-season brings us at least one major league hitting outfielder (Beltran?) and an above major league SS.
Don't believe everything you think.
I was writing an article for my blog titled “Bill Neukom Out, Larry Baer In.” It is just like Grant’s, but without the funny.
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Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I might as well. She’s the only actual journalist on the show.
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by TheLetter2 on Sep 14, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The actress from the Middleman?
She’s awesomely snarky!
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by say hey nation on Sep 15, 2011 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
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I’m angry about this situation! Also, I need that TV. Yes, that one. Thank you.
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by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no other way to describe last year now. It was a complete and total fluke.
A perfect storm… serendipity that undid the poor decision-making by the people previously and still running the show. Sabean was absolutely right: “You don’t pick the time; the time picks you.” The Giants are not going to ascend to the top tier of the baseball world, they are going to remain in the profitable middle.
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Logan Lerman, Orlando Bloom, Christoph Waltz and Milla Jovovich as..surprise ! a bad ass. Looks fun, even with Orlando Bloom.
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Yeah
If the Giants really are “going cheap” I don’t think I can really be a fan of this franchise any longer. I’m not going to root for a marketing phenomenon pretending to be a baseball team. Fucking panda hats, Timmy wigs, cha cha bowls, and Orlando Cabrera. Fuck this, I’ll find an AL team and wait patiently for the rest of my life for the Giants to be sold to somebody that gives a fuck about winning.
Fonte-maybe, Fonte-so
Fonte-come, Fonte-go
Fonte-high, Fonte-low
Fonte-yes, Fontenot!
by jordanovich on Sep 14, 2011 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Better than the alternative
Waiting for the rest of my life for the Giants to fire Brian Sabean
Fonte-maybe, Fonte-so
Fonte-come, Fonte-go
Fonte-high, Fonte-low
Fonte-yes, Fontenot!
this whole situation and thread
reminds me of E’s old theory of the Giants.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and now
we have the horrible possibility that it’s true and that last year was but a freak mutation of rosters.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
what was E's theory?
Must have been a while back.
basically
that ownership had no interest in building a championship team, just one that would be “in this thing” long enough each year to keep turnstiles clicking and panda hats moving. Implicit in the “if we signed Guerrero we couldn’t have afforded Michael Tucker and Ryan Klesko” quotes over the years.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely true of the Magowan years but not quite so true now
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
or mayhaps
this is the end of the intermission. Part II: Michael Tucker Returns
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty universal theory from the initial PBP years
Kind of hard to attribute that one to anyone. I seem to remember direct quotes from Magowan about the virtues of simply remaining competitive.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
fair enough
Maybe E waved the flag more prominently here and at Boof.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He had some epic posts.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
E
That was pretty much it. Its not that they weren’t trying, they were self-stating that they were trying to stay in things, and then roll the dice in September and then if that worked out, take their chances in short-series and hope for favorable pitching matchups when and if they got to the post-season…which is what happened last year.
This year back to similar results. They just won’t pull enough of a trigger to compete against Philadelphia, NYC, Boston and until recently LA or the Chicago Teams. And they are obviously very short-changed in the position player recruiting department. I think thats why they considered it a coup to get Beltran to waive his no-trade. Just too manny below-replacement level position players to overcome
Here’s the take on the good stuff that happened this year in the overall context of the Giants over the last 3 decades.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Sep 14, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just going to re-post what I said two years ago when Bork and Sabez were re-signed
Here’s my fear
I grew up in the Midwest, rooting for the Cubs. At some point I realized the owner — who, it must be pointed out, was not a person but a corporation — didn’t need to field a championship team in order to make money. They just had to be good enough to be roughly speaking in contention for most of the season. Wrigley Field is, after all, an attraction on its own, so winning 85 games or so will keep people interested enough that the team will make a ton of money. But to do that, you only need an average payroll.
Sure, they could spend a bunch more on players and give themselves a better chance of winning the Series (which would boost revenue, of course), but they might fail. So the sweet spot in terms of profit is not to try to field a championship team, but only a "contender." This is what the re-signing of Bochy and Sabean signals to me — contentment with fielding a mediocre "contender."
From a business point of view, it makes total sense, but my perspective is that if a team starts doing this you should stop rooting for them because they don’t give a crap about you. A baseball team is supposed to be a vanity thing for a rich guy, like a wing at the college or an expensive painting — it should not be treated as an investment.
by taliesin on Sep 14, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, the value of baseball teams, and the costs of running them, have exploded to such an extent over the last 3 decades that they end up costing too much be considered anything but an investment. It’s hard to treat a team as a vanity project when it accounts for a third or more of your total wealth.
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Let me summarize: NO BELTRAN next year.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
From a business point of view . . .
. . . the “sense” it makes depends utterly on the unjustified assumption that winning 85 or so games maximizes net income. Reasoning to conclusions accurately is difficult when the premises are wholly the product of imagination.
Economists who actually study such things with care have concluded that a team will increase its net income by “purchasing” (spending the monet reasonably necessary to win) games from 81 up to, I forget exactly, but at least 90 and maybe more. Only after reaching the saturation point where a championship is more probable than not does the marginal value start to decrease.
I know, I know, facts are so fucking annoying to theories.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
You know, I am always cordial here
Don’t be an asshole. If you have some fucking economic studies, post a link and don’t be a condescending prick about it.
by taliesin on Sep 14, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Thank you for sharing, taliesin.
I think that Beltran is the difference between 85 wins and 92 wins, especially on the Giants roster, and that makes him worth paying because 92 pretty much guarantees a short series in the playoffs and beyond, which this Giant roster is prepared to prolong.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems dubious
Beltran last had a 7-win season with his bat in 2006, and he’s not a plus fielder anymore. If he stays healthy he’s probably worth four wins or so.
Seven added wins?
Dear me, Mr Gallo, dear me.
No, compared even to Nate Schierholtz, I see perhaps two or at most three extra wins (depending on where one puts Nate). Compared to just Cody Ross, whose abilities are better defined (and not in any sense outstanding), I daresay it’s just about two wins. And that is without considering defense at all, and it seems clear now that the best Beltran can manage—if he can manage that—is an adequate left field.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I agree with most of this.
However, I think it’s quite a stretch to say that Beltran is barely adequate in left field after a rather small sample of poor play in perhaps the most difficult defensive environment in baseball. This is a player who was an everyday CF as recently as last year, and a career positive-WAR player there. I imagine that his skills have diminished significantly, but not to the levels that you seem to imply.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
career positive-WAR player there.
Unfortunately, if we’re talking about his defense in CF over his career, I don’t think what he did 10 (or even 3) years ago has much bearing on what we can expect him to provide going forward. That double today was…ugh.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I understand that. I’m not denying that he’s old and less skilled than he was; I even said so. I’m just saying that we don’t have a large enough sample to say he would be terrible in LEFT when he plays in the toughest RF in baseball.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Has he even misplayed any caroms off the wall? I’m forming my opinion mainly off of the few highlights I’ve seen (which gives me some selection bias, since they tend to be of him fielding balls rather than making outs), but my strawhat opinion is that his range looks pretty shot. I’m not sure why a bad range RF wouldn’t be a bad range LF.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It's not the field.
It’s that he is plainly now very slow. I daresay that like, say, Pat Burrell, what he can get to he can catch, and can throw accurately and intelligently. But he just doesn’t have the pins any more.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
BLB was like that at the end.
You put up with it sometimes if the offense is good.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Sure.
But better in LF than RF, especially that RF.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
But, my friends, your numbers are your numbers,
but this is the Giants with Fontenot hitting third and Rowand leading off and all sorts of configurations that have black holes (no offense intended) in the lineup. I agree that my perception here is subjective, but a 140 game Beltran means more than 5 wins to this group, perhaps fewer if Posey is in the mix.
And I want him back, even if he’s lazy in the outfield. The swing is beautiful, and that’s not to be quantified or dismissed.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
In the Giants' low-run environment
It’s true that runs are more valuable. I don’t think they’re that much more valuable. I may try to work out the exact math, tomorrow — too tired tonight.
On links:
Two or three days ago, I read over several lengthy and closely reasoned (and well-illustrated, with colored graphs) on, I am pretty sure, the Sabernomics site. Today, I spent a good while looking for them—exactly so that I could link them on this thread—and could not readily find them. But The Truth Is Out There.
Moreover, I don’t think that it is occult or arcane knowledge among those who are expert in the economics of baseball.
Huh. Just looked again, and bingo, there it was #2 on Google; I guess I sed poor search terms before. Try this. Here’s a teaser quotation:
There should be no teams who try to buy between 81 and 89 wins, because, no matter what your team, 90 wins is always more profitable than anything in the 80s.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Thats quite revealing. 90 is the number. Which is about what the postseason qualifications are. Give or take in some years of course.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Sep 14, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Mind, have a care:
That teaser says “no teams”, implying every team should go for at least 90. The full article is more nuanced, and classes teams by market size and revenue potential. Really small-revenue teams might well do best to stick at a mere 70 or so wins, because their marginal revenue wouldn’t make back the cost of extra wins. But for medium-revenue and up teams, profit rises up to maybe 97 wins. On the other hand, the increase over, say, 87 to 89 wins is real but not large.
All in all, it’s a complex subject, and I recommend the full article. But if it is at all close to correct, and I think most sports economists accept at least the general principles, then a team like the Giants will maximize profits somewhere up around 90 or so wins.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Birnbaum’s post implies that rev sharing is included in his calculations.
As stated, the teaser implied 90 wins for all; but not the smallest of the small such as KC and Pitt which seem to target about 70 wins per year.
Granted that much of what he says is speculative to a certain extent, but its close enough to actuality when one looks back retrospectively over the last few years.
Don’t buy wins between 70 and 89 seems to be the gist, yet that is where most teams end up every year. But up to 70 wins and if you are going to break through, keep buying until you reach 95.
Obviously there are differences for the small market teams, they have smaller margins of potential profit to work with according to his graphs.
Perhaps in future posts he’ll refine his number a little more specifically.
Thanks
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Sep 15, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That quote needs some serious qualifications, I think.
Seeing as you have to pass through the 80s to get to 90. Obviously your team goal shouldn’t be 85 win, but that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t spend extra to reach 85 wins as a stepping stone to 90. Not every team is going to go straight from below .500 to playoff contender.
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That's an interesting article
It seems to be a fundamentally sound approach in terms of how you would do the analysis. But as the author himself notes, its predictions are not borne out by the behavior of actual teams. So either the math (or, more likely, the input to the model) is wrong or most owners are stupid businessmen.
Also, there are things this analysis doesn’t take into account. For instance: the excitement of a wild card race is good for revenues, regardless of whether the team actually winds up making it. That would mean that the 80-100 hump would be skewed, perhaps with the peak being at 87ish instead of 90, and a very sharp dropoff after that. That would help explain why there are many teams with actual wins in the low-80s. (And I do think the left side of the graph should be curved instead of straight, flattening out in the 60 range, but that doesn’t change any of the conclusions, really.)So he acknowledges right there that it seems as if most teams shoot for the mid 80s, in contrast to what his analysis predicts.
well . . .
Stupid != fits with a economist’s model-based rationality
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
There are (at least) three options
All seem possible to me. One is that the owners are not actually even trying to maximize their profits, or are oblivious to the profit-maximizing sweet spots. Two, the owners are trying to get 90 wins, but their decision-making is poor so many of their deals don’t work and they buy an 85-win team for the price of a 90-win team. Three, the model is wrong in some way (underestimating the price of a win, non-linearity in the price of wins, etc.).
It’s not like every team can get 90 wins, it’s a closed sum game. Aiming for 90 wins and getting there are two different things.
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The model is based . . .
. . . on the idea, not unreasonable in practice, that you can “buy” an extra win for roughly so many and so many dollars by getting, with those dollars, a player whose incremental skills add one win. (Or, of course, less conveniently round numbers assorted among several players). At any given moment, it may be that the exact sets of talents one needs are not available, or cost more (or less) than the model says, but in the grand scale, it is pretty close to true.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I don't want to niggle . . .
. . . because, as I said, it’s a complex subject. But my reading of the text does not show anything indicating that “its predictions are not borne out by the behavior of actual teams.” The applicable quotation would seem to be:
I think all these are roughly consistent with what actually happens in MLB.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
He mentions a Bill James study
The modal number of wins is 83-84. The theory predicts a bimodal distribution, with no or very few teams living in the area where a plurality of teams actually live.
See slightly downthread.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
There’s a study that’s been around that (iirc) showed that making the playoffs gives a significant boost in revenue/profit over being middling (in the 80s). I forgot who wrote it or when, but I’m just throwing that out there.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I believe it
But as with the article owlcroft cited, such studies must have a way to cope with the empirical fact that the modal number of wins for actual teams is around 83 or 84. If your study predicts that teams will all try to win 90 or lose 90, you have a problem because teams don’t actually do that.
Not exactly.
It is difficult to transition all at once. A .500 team can rarely become a .556 team over one winter. Teams in the 82 – 89 win range are very likely either on the way up or on the way down, not at a stable level they will stick at for some time.
The biggest discrepancy is that . . . Bill James once observed that if you plot a graph of actual wins, the peak is not at 81-81, as you might expect, but, rather, at 83 or 84 wins. That’s the area where we expect teams NOT to live. But, that Bill James study was 25 years ago, and salaries were much smaller then, compared to revenues, so things might have changed since then.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
ownership
if a team starts doing this you should stop rooting for them because they don’t give a crap about you
Does any owner give a crap about you? At best, your interests coincide.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Sep 14, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's strange how fast things change.
While the sorts of folk who can afford to own a ball club are, by birth and training, the sorts of folk who squeeze the dollar till the eagle screams, it is well within living memory that their chief concern was “don’t lose money” nearly tied with “win games”, because the reason back then that rich people bought teams was to masssage their egos by fielding a winner. It was chiefly the advent of corporate and mass-group ownership—probably in turn the consequence of the rapidly rising values of franchises owing to TV money—that shifted things from the Veeck/O’Malley/Wrignley view to the bean-counter view.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
True
“Interests coinciding” would be a better way of putting it. Like if you own stock, you want the CEO to own it too because you want his interests to be the same as yours. If the profit-maximizing level for your team is 83 wins and your team’s owner is interested in profit-maximizing, you will have a sad relationship with that team.
RRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGEEEEEE
That Michael Tucker thing STILL makes me mad. Still.
And if the Torrealba trade that was rumored earlier this year was true and went away because of $3M, that still makes me mad.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Any chance we'll start making Friedman contract moves to limit future costs?
Cause buying out MadBum’s arb plus a couple friendly team options sounds gravy right about now.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
The Giants aren’t as smart as the Rays
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Sep 14, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
They can probably afford to not be as smart as the Rays too
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It is endlessly frustrating to me how the Rays can be so good at managing, scouting, etc., but be unable to keep any of their players. Of course, it was a good idea to let some of their players go since they were overpaid (example: Carl Crawford).
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Sep 14, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but they don't seem to do the fire sale for fire sale sake like the Marlins
I’d love to see what they could do with a proper budget.
Then again — BtP
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
I don't even
Baer? Baer? Really? That’s the new guy in charge?
I think I need to go lay down.
On the other hand, if Baer says “Goddamn, Sabean and Bochy, you both are the luckiest sons of bitches I’ve ever met, and every now and then you made some decent decisions, but in general your baseball methods are out-dated and not likely to give us post-season opportunities, so why don’t you go join Neukom over there, away from the clubhouse. Forever. Thankyouverymuch.”
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Sabean and Bochy are untouchable, sadly
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Sep 14, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Really?
I think another year like this one and it’d be surprising if he got renewed.
Then again, a Timmy and Cain-less Giants from 2013 onwards will most likely result in a couple sub-500 years and an eventual firing.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
it's really interesting
other teams can their GM and manager all the time, but the Giants change the lead owner.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
The hunch is that the Giants are going to look for profits more than wins now.
That’s my impression with a lot of what went wrong this year – trying were, by their own admission, to create a national brand, a buzz, a marketing behemoth.
So: “The Giants are gonna repeat!”, invite the TV cameras to follow the team around, Brian Wilson going to parties in a penguin suit and getting interviewed on late night TV … and we ended up with a team where all the happy-go-lucky misfits tightened up and either underperformed (seizing up figuratively) or pulled muscles (seizing up literally). I wish they had shut up, turned off the cameras, taken some of the pressure off, and just let the guys play ball.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I don’t think that was really a problem. “Marketing” Giants were in first place. The filming of the Franchise, Brian Wilson at the ESPYs, all the buzz..they were fine when that happened.
By far the biggest problem was that:
1) Brian Sabean is an idiot and hates talented young hitters.
2) Because Brian Sabean is an idiot and hates talented young hitters, the offense was too weak to support any key offensive player getting injured or reveting back to his usual suck (Huff) and so the team can’t score any runs.
Any player?
It was pretty much all of them at one time or another, and two key players for most of the season.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Oy, again.
Huff did not “revert”. Huff is a median-quality first-base bat and glove. He had a really, really off year. When he “reverts”, he’ll be a good ball player. You could look it up. Really.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
He’s just bitter.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
When the time comes. . .
Lincecum – Yankees
Posey – Red Sox
Cain – Phillies
Sandoval – Mets
No 50MM+ FA signing this offseason.
RIP Bowtie.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
Dan Runzler will be our ace, actually.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Armando Benitez will come back and close for us.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
And Bengie Molina will come back to catch
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And Ryan Garko will sit on the bench
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Silly you
We have Belt for that
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Too Well Liked
Shinjo can ride the pine
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
And no Beltran.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Runzler’s career has really taken a weird turn the past 2 seasons. The way he was rocketing up the minor league system and to the majors made him seem like a pretty valuable piece. Since tearing his knee, he’s almost seemed like an afterthought.
I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby.
Posey’s going to the Braves. And Timmy’s going south to the Angels or north to the Mariners.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
If it's any consolation
I have the strong sense that Cain is going to be a lifer and we’ll get to see him finish his illustrious 12 year Giants career with a losing record…
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
he’ll have an ERA under 2 but be 20 games under .500 for his career and be laughed at when ESPN talks about his chance of making the Hall of Fame
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Timmy won't go to NY
but Cain? Or Wilson? Or Buster? Any of those guys. Or even Madison, a la Catfish.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Lincecum won't go to the Yankees. They would make him cut his hair.
He will go the Red Sox
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Swisher did
but I think Timmy is a pretty clear NY-hater. No Mets either.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I've read that a lot here.
Is there any real evidence for it from statements by Lincecum? I mean, the Yankees can top any offer, by a lot, if they feel like it. He’s going to walk away from that over a haircut?
I don’t know, and I definitely don’t underestimate the power of money, but I remember him saying something this year hinting very strongly that he doesn’t like NY. I don’t remember the exact words, but I think Baggs or someone wrote something too.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The way Lincecum’s 2-year extension went down leads me to believe that he’s, at the very least, not particularly interested in a long-term deal with a home town discount.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Not meaning to be critical.
But the Tim would never cut his hair thing seems to me to possibly be as much goofy thinking as believing Orlando Cabrera keeps a magic playoff rabbit’s foot in his pocket. Just saying.
Another 2 or 3 years with the Giants Offense™ and he’ll shave his freaking head!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I don't consider myself greedy
but I would certainly shave my head for $20M.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He did come up with short hair too
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I thought it has pretty much always been a tad longer than ear length
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the best picture I could find after searching one minute on google
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Definitely.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It was a story Kruk told
(So may be apocryphal.) From a McC’er a couple weeks ago, referring to an incident last year:
I heard a funny one on KNBR from Mike Krukow last summer, not about Cain, but Lincecum. He said the Giants were getting on a bus in NYC at the hotel (Mets game) and before Lincecum got on, some NYC dudes were saying ‘not to worry Tim, we’ll get you in New York as soon as we can, big bucks’ or something like that. Tim got on the bus, and Kruk said he heard him say "over my dead body".
Good point.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions
thar she blows
Thanks, that’s what I was thinking of. I think he said something less direct on the road trip this year, but I can’t remember.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 6:40 AM PDT up reply actions
So did Giambi and Damon. Sell-outs
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Jeter had to drop out of the rabbinical institute when he was called up to the majors.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
JG
When Giambi did it, that seemed like proof anyone would.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
And Randy Johnson too!
He had to both cut his hair and shave his mustache, IIRC.
When its time to decide on his contract
Somebody better smoke him out and ask him if their city still accepts him!
by WeBelieveInEllison on Sep 14, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
“Wee smokin’ weed over here, Timmy. How about you? You smokin’ weed over here?”
“Aww, you guys.”
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
WE'RE GONNA SMOKE 'IM OUT
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
That would be shocking
I’m pretty sure Tim will either stay in SF or go the Mariners. He already bought a big house in Seattle, and I don’t think he’d want to be a six-hour flight away from his home and family.
obviously, it's far too early to tell what impact this will have on baseball ops
But the implication that this move is part of a broader trend towards decreased payroll is deeply disturbing for a team which, I believe, can and should be sustaining higher payrolls.
If we come out of this offseason without an impact bat at some position acquired from outside the organiztion, we will have seen the enemy, and it will have been cheapskates.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 14, 2011 6:20 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 3 recs
All your rosterbating wore them out. I blame you.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
But he’ll be expensive!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
My prediction:
Someone on Facebook or Baggs is going to make an anti-Semitic slur against a faceless cabal of owners, and I will punch through my monitor.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
yes it is too early
but if we don’t make an “impact” off-season acquisition, one can guesstimate that Neukom got cut because he wanted to make a splash this offseason.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
this sounds ok
seems weird it would happen now, as opposed to in the offseason. Unless maybe they were talking about Beltran or extending Timmy/Cain.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be surprised if a large portion of the front office has mentally made the adjustment to thinking about the offseason. There’s not a lot about this season to command their attention at this point.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
maybe
that’s what was behind all those “see what we have” stories last week or two weeks ago or whenever it was they decided Huff and Cabrera didn’t have to play every day.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
like I always say
a penny saved is often useful to replace a fuse or to melt down for valuable hyperbarides!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I am currently using a penny to fix a short on the volume control of the clock radio on my nightstand.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
GLAMOROUS
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
impresses the chicks
AND creates a fire hazard!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions
When guests ask why I have a fire extinguisher in my bedroom, I now have an answer other than “Sex Toy”.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
“It’s my wife!”
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Sep 14, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHA
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
"GUESTS!!"
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
It’s only false imprisonment if they don’t consent!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s exactly what ScarJo’s lawyer’s intend to prove!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
LAWYER'S??
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
SHE ENJOYED MY FIRE EXTINGUISHER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants were the team that was trying out Field f/x or whatever, iirc
Maybe that’s what the “new technology” was.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Didn't they also get some new warning track mud or something that was supposed to be less bouncy?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
How much would that cost, 100K for the whole outfield, at most? I can’t see anyone getting fired over that.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
/shrug
I’m no investor, and do not know any investors. No idea how they would view their money.
But then, if Nuekom was doing a bunch of things like that it would add up.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If I were an investor I'd be looking at how to maximize payroll dollars. I'd look at a team like Arizona and ask myself how a team with 60% of the Giants payroll, more or less, could have such a division lead.
This would immediately lead me to begin wondering about Brian Sabean and his signing choices.
But that’s just me.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
not all that different
than the Marlins strategery, just without the success part. “Hey, look at all this great money from NY and Boston! Ice cream sandwiches for everyone!”
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I HATE THIS.......... I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IT MEANS YET, BUT I HATE IT
SOMEHOW ITS ALL SCOTT COUSINS FAULT
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
also, if no one posts the "Baer is driving?" picture soon, i will be disappoint
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 14, 2011 6:25 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This is my favorite Baer thing from this site.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Here's an old Baer thing too
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I wish to see the "Operation: Baer Is Driving" image.
It’s been so long. It might even only be a poorly remembered fever dream.
Do I need to update this?
Or can I continue to shamelessly recycle?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That always reminds me of a porno I saw called Edward Penishands.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
SABES WEARING TEAL
MARLINS-STYLE FIRE SALE AHEAD
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
This offseason will be really telling
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Well, we must remember ...
that the 2nd 7-year CSL renewals are coming up after the 2013 season. The last time (2007), they used the All Star Game to entice the re-ups. The Timmy/Matt soap operas will be in the mix right before and after 2013. If those guys aren’t locked up, they will have a helluva time getting people to write those checks for another seven years.
Unless the corporates take over all the field level seats.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Um...what?
As a Personal Seat License holder….this is nothing I’ve ever heard of. The rules of the License are clear: We are guaranteed our seats so long as we buy the season tickets each year. No 7-year renewals.
This ain’t the damn Raiders.
"The knowledge of the game is inversely proportional to the price of the seat." ---Bill Veeck. •Read My Blarrrgh...er, um....Comic. That doesn't really come across so well when said sarcastically. The Lunatic Fringe•
by BruteSentiment on Sep 14, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, was wondering wtf that was talking about
Maybe there is some other plan?
The thong is, it happened.
Sorry, I should have been more specific
I was referring to Club Agreements (for Club Level and Field Club seats) which do have to be renewed every 3, 5, or 7 years, depending on the CSL owner’s choice. The longer the agreement, the more price protection is provided over the term.
See the “What is a Club Agreement?” section on this page for more info.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Here’s the SJM Article on the 2007 situation.
It should be noted that these agreements cover all Field Club and Club Level CSL holders (many thousands) and I believe the majority are 7-year contracts (I know most of the people around me have the seven year deals), because of the ability to lock in 2% annual ticket price increases – this is in exchange for the Giants knowing their exact income stream from these CSL holders for the term of the agreement. So the period before the 2014 season will be a tipping point for management just like 2007 was.
Our 2007 ticket prices offered by the Giants were ~75% higher than the 2006 levels when we were asked to renew. I have no idea what to expect for 2014, but I doubt it will be good news.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
does this make Larry Baer Cersei Lannister?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Not hot enough....
However it remains to be seen if he is sleeping with his brother.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Larry "Littlefinger" Baer
is on his way to the Aerie!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Littlefinger is a better comp, yeah
He’s just sitting there behind the scenes, making sure all the wheels are greased. He’s totally harmless.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Right up until the knife slips in.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
no, Neukom is Robert
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
he usurped Magowan
and now he’s been betrayed
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Magowan as Aerys II makes a lot of sense
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
All I heard him say at the end was, “Buy them. Buy them all.”
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
He wears number 15!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He was killed by a Boar….. but yeah betrayed-ish
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
he was killed by a boar because Cersei made Lancel give him doubly potent wine
also
Boar
Baer
the plot thickens
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Honestly?
Worst. Assassination. Ever.
Giving in inveterate alcoholic an extra strong drink? Really? You might as well leave his window open at night and wait for him to freeze to death.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
yeah
kinda attenuated, especially in the world they are operating in. Regicide is gentle, infanticide is brutal!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
lampshaded in the text
“If it was not a boar, it would have been a fall from a horse, a stray arrow…the forest is the abbatoir of the gods. It was not the boar that slew the king, Lord Stark, it was your mercy.”
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, it was specifically on that hunt, I think.
Hunting accidents seem like the favored way to get rid of people slyly in Westeros. (see also: Samwell Tarly)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Well
if this was partially because they didn’t like how he spent money in the offseason… Miguel Tejada?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
“At your thervith, Mithter Neukom!”
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
oh duh
Bonds!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
or Zito, actually
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I was thinking Barry could be Tywin
Destroyed everyone who opposed him, and Magowan/Aerys built his entire reign around him…until he wasn’t there anymore, and everything came apart.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
except Neukom actually spends $$ on the team and not on food and alcohol.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
but he spent all the money that the small council wanted to save
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
“We need a rainy-day fund! Why are you buying bread to give away in King’s Landing?”
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The more I think about this the more pissed off I get
I have nothing of substance to add other than I’m just angry at the possiblity of my baseball team caring much more about money than winning.
RIP Bowtie: 2009 - 2011. Thanks for the World Series.
So....how's the freak out goin guys?
are we at torches and pitchforks yet?
AT&T Park, Home of the WS Champion SF Giants, and Disneyland-so much MAGIC inside!
I'm still just hyperventilating
and tearing up at the very idea of trading Matt or Timmy. Sure, it’s a business, anything can happen…I just think it would suck balls the size of Jupiter if it happened.
Got a pitchfork?
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
REEL CHANZ!
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/cries My mother in law watches handegg
and admits it’s only because she likes seeing the guys hineys in those tight pants.
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
I know this has probably been said before
But the best way for an ownership group to make money is to hire a competent GM who makes sound business decisions. Ugh.
Proud of both my adopted son, Baggs, and my ward, Ryan LOLlis.
I didn’t think a managing general partner type person could be ousted. I thought that person had to remove him/herself from office, like how Magowan stepped down.
And personally I felt Neukom had a lot on the ball and did the right things.
Just…what? I don’t understand any of this.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:36 PM PDT reply actions
well
there’s a group of 10 that elect the managing GP, analogous to a corporate board of directors electing a CEO. So depending on how the voting interests are allocated (maybe or maybe not directly to $ interest), he is only 1 of 10 votes. I don’t know if Magowan had one of those votes, that would be kind of interesting.
I concur with your views on Neukom.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I see. Baseball ops is one thing I know little about, and researching it seems like it would be difficult for the clandestine nature of the whole thing.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
it’s hard to guess in too much detail based on how they do what we do, we never hear detail of ownership meetings. There may be some posting here that know more, however.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
….waiting for owlcroft’s input….
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
hahaha
not at ALL what I meant, I think some posters here know people with ownership interests.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I was talking about you! You don’t fool me with this budding-historical-novelist ruse.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind owning the Giants
once I make enough money to subsidize a winning streak that would build a winning brand popular enough to begin funding the expenditures necessary to continue that winning streak without my losing money on it anymore
lol
I rhyme with freak.
JAMES FRANCO
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ONE OF MY GUESTS!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
BEAT MY GUESTS!
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OKAY!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
"….waiting for owlcroft’s input…."
Now available well downthread.
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I vaguely recall it was a similar story with another managing partner — maybe it was the Rangers? — of an ownership group who got ousted for upsetting the rest of the partners. Except it was particularly egregious in the other case because this manager wasn’t even a major investor.
Damn, where was I reading this again.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Giants would benefit from an O-Ren Ishii type GM.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
ah!
Found it. Indeed, Chuck Greenberg’s ouster from the Rangers.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Further
Of all the people to blame for the shitfest that was this season, it’s Neukom? Not Sabean. Not Bochy. I still cannot.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:39 PM PDT reply actions
so weird
as someone said above, bizarro Yankees. Imagine Steinbrenner getting booted while Billy Martin and Gabe Paul stayed on.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
My head exploded trying to think of that. Maybe I should just stay in the DR and avoid MLB for a while.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe they’ll go too at the end of the season. Who knows? You don’t fire a manager with two weeks left. For all we know the other owners wanted them fired, and Neukom refused to do it.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
could be
It would be remarkably sensible to start at the top and work down rather than shoot the messenger and then look for the general.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
These people don’t care about what goes on on the field unless it hurts the bottom line, which, hey, 9000 STR8 SELLOUTZ.
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I did an interview with the SJ Giants GM (more as an informational thing for myself, as I’m seriously considering a switch to the executive side of things) and I learned just how much of an exec’s job is the bottom line. It pretty much dashed all my dreams about having a cool job in baseball.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, even at that level?? :(
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In the minors it’s almost 100% business. He told me that he makes no personnel decisions, he has no player development involvement, and really doesn’t do anything except package the team as a good product for consumers (fans). I went from :D to D:
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
MiLB
is IMO a very interesting industry. And there’s a reason all the job listings say things like “must be committed to baseball lifestyle”.
I have a lot of respect for the folks that put on the show in SJ and Modesto and those places.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It really is fascinating. I’m not giving up on the idea of becoming an exec, though. I just have to switch my focus to player development. That shouldn’t be so hard…
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
cool
It’s interesting to follow the affiliation agreements, re-branding, franchise shifts, and so on. Like you say it’s all the more interesting because (except for the indy leagues) player personnel is out of the MiLB team’s control.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, wait, Baer is in charge?
Athletics Nation is gonna be piiiiiiiissed.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
hahaha
I was trolling for that at CGB but no Athletic Supporters bit.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s a Stanford alumn too.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
His MBA is from Stanford.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Most peoples loyalties remain with their undergrad school
because they were indoctrinated w/school spirit early
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Because Memorial Stadium is falling apart?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And the Coliseum and Candlestick are on the verge of being classified as urban ruins.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
this is not what I was referring to at all
AN has an utter conviction that Larry Baer is the great mastermind of the whole territorial rights escapade. Think of every goofy theory you’ve ever heard and substitute “Baer” for “freemason”.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
We’re never going to find out what’s really going on, because the beat writers won’t go in there and ask the tough questions. Baggs is probably at a book signing right now, and Schulman’s at the buffet.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
I was puzzled at the comment in Purdy’s column to the effect that there have been indications that Nuke was on his way out for the last month or so, yet I don’t recall any of the writers doing anything with this info. I would think some investigation could have revealed some information before today.
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My only guess is that they knew, but it was an off-the-record sort of thing. I don’t know the protocol for retroactively spilling the beans like Purdy did, but I guess it’s not a direct violation of the d-low agreement many of us are bound by.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Purdy said today on Chronicle Live that he was keeping this story close to the vest and didn’t let Baggs know what was going on.
SELFISH
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i like scallops
and oysters
and shrimps (sic)
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I still have on my study wall . . .
. . . an uncashed check for $5 from Lowell that I won in a pre-season bet on whether the Giants would finish over .500 in 1982. One of the first tangible fruits of applied analytic techniques.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
If you’d cashed it and invested it, you could have had $20 now, smart guy. That’s four or five lattes.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Ten shares of Apple in 1997.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, but:
Four or five lattes, $20; smug satisfaction, priceless.
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when i left here an hour or so ago ( watched the pilot of breaking bad and it was good)
things didnt seem so dire.
I know i go off the deep end and imagine everything, but what happened to all the sane posters?
BB gets even better.
The Giants, I’m thinking maybe not so much.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’m stuck in the DR and just got the news.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
FARRAH FAWCETT RED SWIMSUIT
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Oh yeeaaaaahhhhhh!
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I had this on my wall:
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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As did my sister. Also Bobby Sherman and Donny Osmond, and the guy from Bread, I can't recall his name.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
David Gates!
I recalled
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
David Gates was on Shaun Cassidy's show
The Hardy Boys! In the same thread.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
I had a world map on my wall when I was growing up. I had 2 globes, one of the political world, one of the physical world, and I also had a diagram of the solar system and the galaxy. :D
I rhyme with freak.
LOL PLUTO
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
My room was, and is, much the same. I still have a huge National Geographic map of the world on a wall of my bedroom. My globe is currently sitting on the floor, waiting for a pedestal.
A listener-supported service
My room
A bed and a bunch of guitars on stands in the corner.
And a nightstand with a clock radio with a penny stuck in the volume control dial
And a fire extinguisher.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The volume control dial goes to 11!
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
fully functional babe-lair
Women are powerless against its powers!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a wall autographed 8×10s from all the celebrities that have “dropped by.”
LOL 8X10
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GIRTH!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My bedroom now
bed, headboard, dresser, Michael Foster map of the US via license plates, poster of Band of Brothers, signed concert cards from Old Crow Medicine Show and Jars of Clay, an old Eames lounge ottoman, an older Navy Chair, and a beat-up shelf containing my Giants tchotchkes and the baseball glove I never use.
I rhyme with freak.
Mine (ours, Mrs. Folly is included) has a bed, armoir, tall chest two chairs, a folding fire escape laddder, and a 5 gallon bucket of fermenting wine.
Mrs. Folly is, for some odd reason, pressuring me to move the fermenting wine, but the temp is perfect there, the room being located on the North side of the house and all.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
She's very lovely.
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Thank you!
I got the better end of that deal.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL at your apparent shock.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
She's a very nice lady.
And she knows a variety of Spanish cusswords, for every occasion.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't speak much Spanish, but apparently Cabrera and Rowand and Tejada share the qualities of mierda or some such thing.
Also, something about their mothers being putas.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Not much in our bedroom. Bed, 3 bookshelves, a night stand, a my rocking chair from when I was 5 and a cat tree. On the walls… a green sari, and 2 poster sized photos of waterfalls.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I have 4 altars,
one for ancestors, one “kissing” altar, one general pagan and one for the Giants. Then there’s the Johnny Depp wall (put up by my husband as a gift to me).
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I used to have something like that… then I had to bring all the crap home from my classroom, my little meditation space has been usurped. U-surped!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
That u-sucks.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Other than the one/two I happen to be reading at the moment, no book shelves in the actual bedroom. Those are in other rooms of Chez Gallo. The bedroom has the bed, nightstands on both sides, an unfinished dresser (I can’t decide on a color), a Kandinsky, the Picasso of the guy kissing a full-breasted girl while drawing squiggly lines, and many hooks and shelves that contain my clothing.
You see, even on non-school days, I end up changing clothes a lot.
Is that so weird?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL U
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit
Bill Neukom just became a legend.
The man came here, won a World Series and got canned.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2011 6:45 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
What a weird friggin season— the team starts as defending champions and with high-hopes, two of the players get injured, the remaining stars stop hitting, the team falls apart in the last month and won’t make the playoffs, and then the Owner is fired.
It’s bizzaro 2010
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
how has this never happened to Al Davis??
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Al Davis is totally Craster.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, but he only marries one at a time.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Nah, if Al Davis were Walder he would have sued Aerys II and moved the Twins to the Blackwater
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I will say
Neukom was not without his flaws. We know that his emphasis on the farm system was admirable, but his blanket moratorium on giving out large contracts, even to players who are good enough to deserve them, could be a bit frustrating at times. That and the trust he seemed to place in Sabean’s ability to evaluate major league talent.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
maybe
Maybe Sabean has gotten into ownership (or Baer) deep enough to get rid of someone he doesn’t agree with.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be shocking to me.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
shocking?
How about horrifying?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Both
It would imply a seriously compromised chain of command.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
hahaha
it is a for-profit operation, you know. These things do happen.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t Sabean hold a VP title of some sort? Do those titles carry enough power to tell someone to GTFO?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
not necessarily
I think he has some ownership interest, but not enough to be listed on the “”http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=sf" target="new">principal partner" section of the website. He’s below Baer if that page accurately describes the org chart.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was an VP of something or other. My mistake.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s the Giants’ Biden!
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Brian the Sabean
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean is listed as Senior Vice President and General Manager under the baseball operations section on the front office page. That doesn’t explain what he does, but Sr. VP indicates quite a bit of power, IMO.
In a word, :/
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
oh he is
Senior VP and GM. Sorry I screwed up the link.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
'SENIOR'
NO WONDER HE LIKES THE OLDS
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Haha I just posted about this. I was too lazy to look it up myself earlier.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
MWAHH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
and that changes with baer?
what changes is that the farm system will again go straight to hell, as the sabean philosophy returns
really want that?
I have no idea
All things considered, you prefer the devil you know.
But at least the devil you don’t know is more interesting.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He’s the best there’s ever been, even.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Whom Neukom?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It’s a song reference.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure it was Sabean’s fault the farm system sucked for awhile because Magowan gave him no money to run one, wouldn’t sign players, and took whatever money they had for a farm system and put it into the payroll. Which worked fine in 2002 but not so much in 2007. Magowan really did a number on this team when he was the owner
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Who were they going to sign to these phantom long term contract?
The recent history of free agency suggest that a blanket ban on long-term deals with exceptions only for truly unusual talents or values is a pretty good policy.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
They weren't at all involved with someone like, say, Holliday
Who, at the time, played a position of need and is certainly good enough to be worth the contract he got.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
examples?
Who exactly did he refuse to give contracts to? (To whom…whatever)
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Sep 14, 2011 7:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
This isn't really a controversial statement, is it?
I thought it was widely known that Neukom was opposed to giving big contracts to any free agents.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
On Chronicle Live today
The panel was talking about how the other members of the group (specifically the Burns girls who technically put the most money into the team) were tired of Neukom making decisions without the boards approval.
And oftentimes the simplest explanation is the correct explanation. I am never surprised at how highly inherited wealth children regard themselves. Marin is full of them.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Sep 14, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is my least favorite thing about the sports media
News like this comes seemingly out of nowhere, then, 6 hours later, everyone apparently knew everything about it all along.
Thanks a lot, journalists!
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It happens in science too. If you’re out on the forefront going against the conventional wisdom, you’ll be pilloried. If it turns out that you happen to be right, 5 years later, everyone will forget that the idea even once seemed preposterous, and will say, “Well, yeah, it was obvious all along!”
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If you’re out on the forefront going against the conventional wisdom, you’ll be pilloried.
And good luck trying to get published!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Not even in Better Homes and Pillories?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, if you’re completely wrong you can get on Oprah.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 15, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
This is good
hankschulman Henry Schulman
I’ve been told partners’ dissatisfaction with Nuke was now how he spent money, but he was not consulting with those who own larger stakes.
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haha
“Stop wasting my money on ballplayers and baseball operations!”
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Typical typo for Hank
I think now is sposed to be not
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urine
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
IT'S NOT THAT YOU CHEATED
IT’S THAT YOU LIED TO ME
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Reminds me of a Nietsche Family Circus I once got
“I’m not upset that you lied to me. I’m upset that I can’t trust you any more.”
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
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ha ha ha
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Seems like a smokescreen
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by doubleteapot on Sep 14, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I still do now feel good about this whole thing
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
How now brown cow?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
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The more potent question is “How brown cow.”
And now Beltran.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope that this is the case
and not that the owners have gone cheap on us
The thong is, it happened.
Isn't this what's been going on for the last 10 years or so?
hunch is that the Giants are going to look for profits more than wins now
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BREAKING
Giants are a team in MLB
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
What they haven't told us yet
Chris Cohan has being a major investor in the SF Giants.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
ugh
being = become
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This sucks
From what I’ve read and been seeing, Bow Tie really wanted to win and didn’t mind doing what it took to do it. The payroll is up— way up— than normal and he’s had no qualms taking on bigger contracts. Magowan seemed more concerned with getting people into the park then winning. Plus Bow Tie told Sabean no more long term contracts which is worth his staying on right there.
I also liked his scheme of trying to market the team nationally and build a “Red Sox of the West.” ‘Cause that’s how you make money and the more money you make the bigger the payroll and the bigger chance to keep on winning.
Nothing good will come of this
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:00 PM PDT reply actions
I was also under the impression that Neukom was okay with spending because the Giants made enough money to support that type of spending and were successful as a team. It’s not like the Mets, who spent a fuckton of money and still end up with a shitty club.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see how spending a lot of money on players has helped the Giants, ever.
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Well
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 14, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
don’t recall him being on a WS champion
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oh here we go
people really hate this observation.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
It was totally his fault
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s not his fault at all; more like a scape goat. The Giants paid him a boatload of money, deservedly so, and then justified their lack of organizational development on that.
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To my knowledge
The Giants never said that. It was all the Baseball America writers who were living right next door in North Carolina giving us the ‘inside scoop.’
As a media person…sorry, I don’t believe everything my peers write.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 14, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
/sidles up to BruteSentiment and looks at him sideways and doubtfully :/.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, ggf, I thought we could be cool.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I’m about to be misunderstood.
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About to be?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
/weeps ; , , ,
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't recall Willie McCovey being on one either
What does that prove?
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah he didn't play well enough.
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spend a lot of money [smartly] on the farm system, and you’ll reap rewards for a long time.
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Until those guys make too much money and leave in trades or through free agency.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
the idea being that you have replacements always coming up.
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then you become the Oakland A's.
you can’t completely ignore free agency.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 14, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That can readily be handled . . .
. . . by careful planning and assertive trading. A well-designed and managed team, at its optimum, needs to make 5 or 6 trades a year if it is to avoid damage from players leaving of free-agent costs.
Very few GMs have the wit and agressiveness to make that work.
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Thanks, ggf. That’s a point I also wanted to make but I’m not thinking clearly enough tonight. Not just bonuses, but investing in scouting and complexes and relations in the countries and territories where they do their best work.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
If they started cutting payroll now, I seriously doubt they’ll start spending money in scouting and young player development. They’ll probably look to save money in all areas. You’re assuming the owners are baseball savvy. Which one of knows shit about baseball?
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
That’s the thing that really worries me. Knowing what I do about baseball execs v. player development, I still want someone who knows what the fuck is up with development in the FO making decisions. I will live with that for the rest of my life.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
you could double the size of scouting and PD.
It would increase the operating budget by 0.5%
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
They all do.
Probably each and every one knows shit about baseball.
(Actually, we have no least clue, except that BowTie plainly is pure fanboy.)
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I’m not talking about stuff like Zito’s contract, I’m talking about the spending Neukom wanted, things like “new technologies.” There’s more to running a team than throwing boatloads of cash at players.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I admit that I’m angry and confused about the decision to fire Neukom, but I really can’t see his idea of spending as a detriment esp. when the team made enough money to cover the expenses plus he proved he was a successful leader.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know what to make of Neukom; he wasn’t here long enough.
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SSS, probably
But he won and got shit done. So I count him as a success.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see how last year is to his credit; he was barely in the job and then they won it. and, kinda flukey, too.
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All right, so I got starry eyed at San Jose press conferences when he actually acknowledged that I know what the hell I’m talking about.
That aside, I really agreed with his philosophy and the way he worked while he was here.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Do we know this?
when the team made enough money to cover the expenses
It might be true, but I’m not sure
The thong is, it happened.
Oooooh I know!!!!
They spent all the profit on WS rings. The bill just came due this week!
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I assume that they did based on media attention garnered by the team’s financial success. Wasn’t there a Forbes article or something about the Giants being a successful franchise?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 15, 2011 6:15 AM PDT up reply actions
They overspent last off-season to keep the 2010 team together (which was a logical and decent call on their part). Last year, he let them pick up Burrell, Cody, a bunch of relievers, and Guillen because the team thought they’d win with them. And this year, they let Sabean pick up Keppinger, Cabrera, and Beltan again in an effort to win. Fault the trades or Bochy or what have you, but Bow Tie has given Sabean the OK to do whatever he wanted to do to win. That’s all you could ask for in an owner
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Those two examples of Neukom and Sabean’s decisions is the exact analysis of why this is such a godawful decision.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you could add
agreeing to eat Molina’s salary to get rid of him and make room for Buster, too.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s pretty much a bunch of budget-type moves, though
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Nonsense.
Some faint idea of whether or not the GM in fact can tell his ass from his elbow might, in some far-out circles, be considered a desideratum in ownership.
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I think the Giants are a very marketable team. Youngish, relatively attractive guys with character.
not sure about the giraffe thin- might have been a bridge too far.
And a good baseball team and a marketable team are two different things. BOth cost a ton of money though
I think they handled all aspects very well. except for a few things zito and whatever they are not telling us.
Like how much money neuk spent that he didnt have permission to spend.
If I were the Giants, I'd be pursuing a Twins+ strategy
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LOL NOTGARDO
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See that’s one thing that always was a mindfuck for me. He helped build the Yankees farm system with Jeter, Williams, etc. Then he comes over here and decides that philosophy is bollocks, and the Giants are crap for years. WTF?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
??
Really??
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Ah.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Who would listen?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I lol’ed.
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What about show and tell?
Or show and kiss?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
yep helped draft jeter
Oh if only he could have brought some of that savvy to the giants
/sigh
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He did help draft Lincecum, Cain, Wilson, Posey, Belt, and Bumgarner
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Yup lol wasnt thinking when I typed that
for sure everyone of them
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Early 90s IIRC.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s because Magowan didn’t want to spend the money and wanted to spend all that money into the payroll. It wasn’t until the team was falling apart in ‘07 and ’08 that Magowan let Sabean build a farm system. I remember it was a big deal back then because when Sabean’s contract was renewed, he talked about how excited he was to finally build a farm system
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:18 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s hard to find much evidence, though, that this farm-building is or has been taking place
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Really?
A World Series rotation made up of entirely homegrown players, as well as the All-Star closer, catcher, third baseman, first baseman of the future, several bullpen members and a few important bench players would seem to not be enough evidence?
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 14, 2011 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
OK:
There seems to be what I reckon is a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going down here, much of it self-contradictory.
Putting money in a “rainy day” fund is not deviously putting it in the partners’ pockets. I don’t know what the Giants’ margins have been the last few years, but it seems fairly elementary economics that when you are doing extraordinarily well, especially in a period of prosperity that might well not continue, you stash some of the money away—whether you’re an individual person or a corporation (or a Limited Partnership). And when one has invested a ton o’cash in an enterprise, as at least the 10 executive-committe members have (some of whom, I understand, had more bucks in the pot than BowTie himself), you like to feel that the guy controlling the enterprise considers you worth talking to now and again about that enterprise. It appears that Neukom had the classic M$ attitude of “You do not get to question what I say or do.”
Let’s also keep clearly in mind that despite TGWTWS a year ago, the reality is that Bochy is utterly dreaful as a manager, Sabean is well below the median for GMs (with many experts putting him in the bottom 5), and BowTie is the guy who enthusiastically re-upped them both, twice now. I don’t know that Larry Baer is necessarily any improvement—he could well, I suppose, be worse in some respects (or not, we’ll have to see), but to get one’s knickers in a twist because an unperceptive counterproductive fanboy got pushed out by people he thought he could casually push aside is nuts. Good riddance to bad trash.
Now let’s see about Larry Baer. (I wonder if he remembers me from all those years ago when he was a bright, shiny intern.)
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by owlcroft on Sep 14, 2011 7:07 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
with many experts putting him in the bottom 5
Source? (I just want to read some articles trashing Sabean right now)
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by doubleteapot on Sep 14, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Google Is Your Friend.
There are a least a couple of GM surveys that so rank him, and probably more I haven’t seen. Stay away from Bleacher Reports and you should have no trouble.
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Stay away from Bleacher Reports
Always sage advice.
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You mean slideshows
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by doubleteapot on Sep 14, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm
It’d be one thing if Neukom were out and were being replaced by Pat Gillick or something. But I believe that the reason for knicker twisting, as you put it, is that it seems that the replacing of Neukom actually makes it less likely that any sort of better thinking which Neukom is perceived to have brought along.
In other words, meet the new boss, worse, potentially, than the old boss.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I think it only fair . . .
. . . to consider the evil sufficient unto the day thereof (Matt 6:34). To assume that Larry will either dry up all spending, or conversely will open the purse wide for all, is to fantasize about things we do not know yet. He certainly has an eagle eye for the bottom line, but he is very far from a stupid man, and surely understands that the bottom line is heavily impacted by winning, and that, as every sound businessman realizes, “you have to spend it to make it”.
I also think that, despite the raillery around here, Ray Ratto has a pretty accurate and perceptive take on the matter.
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There is no telling who organized the opposition, though it is hard to see how this happened without the agreement of Tori Burns and Trina Dean, the heirs to the Harmon and Sue Burns shares, as their one-third of the business had to be among the alienated portion by virtue of the math alone.
Interestingly, it was Sue Burns — whose dissatisfaction with Magowan put Neukom in charge three years ago, largely for the same reason — who convinced others that Magowan had exceeded his allies in reach and dominance.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, OC
To assume that Larry will either dry up all spending, or conversely will open the purse wide for all, is to fantasize about things we do not know yet.
Fantasizing about things we do not know yet is everything we do here when we look to the future of the Giants.
To say we should either be pleased that Neukom is gone or that we should be pleased that Baer is incoming strikes me as being just as presumptuous as you accuse the rest of us of being.
Baer pre-dates Neukom. Baer was here when the organization did very stupid things, like punting draft picks and signing bad players. While Neukom was here, stupid things were broadly avoided – the maintenance of Sabean and Bochy notwithstanding.
To assume, as you seem to, that Baer is necessarily an improvement seems to me to be an extremely dubious positiong.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 14, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
You feeling okay?
Running a fever maybe?
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Pfui.
First, please, read the fucking post. Nowhere do I say that Larry Baer will be better: I expressly say that we don’t know what he will be.
Second, the removal of Neukom and the introduction of Baer, though casually related, are two totally different matters. I sell my old gas-guzzling often-in-the-shop clunker, and replace it with another, newer model. I have no way of knowing that my new car will not be an even worse clunker than the old one, but that open question has zero relevance to my urgent need to get rid of the old one, which was unquestionably and demonstrably not a sound vehicle.
Practically all one needs to know about the entire Neukom era is that he twice re-upped Sabean and Bochy. That’s a clunker that badly needs replacing.
Larry Baer has been with the organization since he was a 20-year-old intern not yet even out of college (at which time he was a very polite and shy kid). What that has to do with anything is beyond me. My only relevant comment about him is that he seems a shrewd businessman, and a shrewd businessman is likely to operate the club so as to maximize medium- to long-term income, which in the Giants’ present position means pursuing winning.
(The Sabernomics site has some excellent graphs and text explaining the expenses-vs-added-revenue function, but I can’t find them right now. In essence, if you are winning 81 games with your current budget, “purchasing” extra wins up to, as best I recall, the low 90s makes net dollar sense because the added return exceeds the costs.)
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by owlcroft on Sep 14, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Practically all one needs to know about the entire Neukom era is that he twice re-upped Sabean and Bochy. That’s a clunker that badly needs replacing.
Exactly. Fanboy in chief. I didn’t care for the pedantic smugness of late Senator Paul Simon, nor Orville Redenbacher, either.
A rudimentary perusal of Sabean’s recruiting results would reveal very broadly and loudly his shortcomings. His position players acquisitions through trade and f/a signings, and premature contract extensions, are almost universally noted for squandering finite payroll dollars on below-replacement level over the hillers and has-beens.
If it was my money and the Managing GP wasn’t keeping me informed that Sabean was frittering away my inherited millions, I would have thrown Neukom’s ass out a window and claimed temporary sanity.
by Roy Hobbs Jr on Sep 14, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except in this case
You have sold your gas-guzzling clunker and replaced it with a car you’ve had for 10 years but aren’t sure if it even drives.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
well
Pfui. First, please, read the fucking post.
When you ask that nicely, it’s hard to resist.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions
And, you know, I did
And the reason I said that OC thought that Baer would be better was because OC said:
He certainly has an eagle eye for the bottom line, but he is very far from a stupid man, and surely understands that the bottom line is heavily impacted by winning, and that, as every sound businessman realizes, "you have to spend it to make it".
Which, combined with the dumps OC took on Neukom, led me to the conclusion that he prefers Baer. Which I think is completely rational and a logical outcome of reading that post.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
so
he was just sayin’!
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by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Quote without comment:
To assume that Larry will either dry up all spending, or conversely will open the purse wide for all, is to fantasize about things we do not know yet.
What part of “do not know yet” was cryptic?
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by nvsfg on Sep 15, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll have the true story in moments
Eric Byrnes is explaining the situation. “Now, if I’m on the executive board…”
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Sabean's_Folly on Sep 14, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions
“It’s better to hear it from someone who’s laced up his tasseled loafers and advised corporate boards.”
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
the suspense is killing me
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
The thing that makes me optimistic
Is that the ownership group can’t forget what made them so flush with cash: fielding a winner.
They don’t want to see the consecutive sellouts end, or the merchandise to stop flowing, and they will right away if they insist on fielding teams like from ‘05-’09.
They have a huge opportunity here, and I don’t want to believe they’ll pass it up.
This sounds like spin bullshit to me
The fact that they expect us to BUY this farce that Neukom wasn’t consulting with other principal owners seems like total and utter fucking bullshit. He’s been on board for a few years now and it’s not like payroll hasn’t increased over the past couple of years. Maybe he’s being ousted because they won’t be making any postseason profits this year? But that seems false, considering he was just in charge when the team won their only WS title in SF. I think this is more a power struggle that he ended up losing.
That Baer is going to take over is more a sign of anything to me that there was some sort of disagreement that he lost. Baer is clearly a very ambitious guy as he has risen higher and higher in the pecking order of the ownership group over time and maybe he saw an opportunity to use his influence with other investors to gain power of the team. He’s always been the supposed voice or face of any clever marketing gimmicks for this team as well. If other principal owners really would rather focus on profits and getting fans to pack the ballpark in spite of payroll cuts or anything like that, maybe Baer is the right man for that purpose in their minds.
It’s hard not to be a little bit worried about any potential changes due to this, especially when Neukom seems like a very sharp guy (and classy) and had clear ideas on how he wanted the Giants to function that most people were agreeable to.
by Hobbes2d on Sep 14, 2011 7:13 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Why . . .
. . . does it seem to you “like total and utter fucking bullshit”? It seems 100% reasonable to me. If I put a thousand bucks into an enterprise, and another half dozen or dozen other guys do the same, and we decide to let a guy who has $150 in it do the day-to-day oversight, I’m gonna get awfully, awfully pissed if that guy never even sends me a Christmas card while he’s handling what is considerably more my enterprise than his.
Keep clearly in mind that this coup doesn’t happen unless it is a dead-real fact that at the very least 51% of ownership (and, as Ratto points out, the numbers virtually dictate that it’s got to be more like at least 65% to 70% and very possibly more) all agree that BowTie had to go.
Go look up the Sabernomics web site and the discussions there of the profit-loss curves vs games won in a season and reckon whether reasonably sophisticated big-money investors are likely to start acting in ways likely to minimize their medium- to long-term profits, which is what moving away from a dedication to winning would involve. How to spend when your team is struggling to win 75 is something very different from how to spend when your team is capable of winning 81 to 85. You could look it up.
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by owlcroft on Sep 14, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The flip side of this argument is
If I’m a fan of the team, and don’t care about the feelings of the individual investors, and you decide to fire a guy who’s brought almost nothing but success, I’m going to be awfully pissed if you decide your money is more important than the team doing well.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
maybe they are just sick of watching this craptastic offense.
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If they'd said that
I’d be ecstatic.
If instead their beef is that he spent too much of their millions of dollars, I’m less sympathetic.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What if it’s that he spent too much of their millions of dollars without checking in with them for their input.
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I'm having trouble getting my mind around this
make money vs good team dichotomy. Shouldn’t they go hand-in-hand? Unless you’re using the team as a tax writeoff or something.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Well wasn’t it one of the FO types last year who made some comment about the playoffs and how they were so thrilled to be selling all the hotdogs and all concession stuff?
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Yes and no.
Beyond a certain amount of winning, there’s a decline in the marginal revenue benefit of each additional win while the cost of getting that extra win is either stagnant or growing. Owners probably make more money by fielding a 90 win team that’s paid like a 90 win team than a 100 win team that’s paid like a 100 win team. They’re going to fill up the park either way, and those extra 10 Ws are pricy.
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Unless those 10 extra Ws are necessary for the playoffs
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
"Nothing but success"?
Nonsenses like that are, I suppose the price of TGWTWS. Neukom did not bring the team “nothing but success”, nor—more important—did the GM and field manager he twice re-upped within a three-year span.
Meanwhile, there is zero correlation between his failure to recognize the need to deal courteously with stakeholders and the team doing well, and the repeated attempts here to establish such a non-existent correlation are very sad. There are no grounds, explicit or implicit, for feeling that the great majority of the owners have decided that their money is more important than the team’s doing well—especially since economics points out that the team is currently in a success range that points to more net profit from greater investments in winning.
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by owlcroft on Sep 14, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Florida’s owners have made lots of money by cashing checks from the Yankees and Red Sox with little regard to winning.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Florida won two rings
One the expensive way.
One the cheap way.
Seems to me they get a free pass for a decade at least.
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that is not
what the MLBPA thought.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a common economic misjudgement.
The fact is that "lots of money ≠ “all the money that could be made here”.
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True
True, but there’s an argument to be made that spending a bunch of money on the roster is little more than pissing in the wind for teams who play in a wretched venue with no prospects of moving to a better park. The Rays, for instance, still have the second worst attendance in the AL despite putting together a nice little run of success (they did a little better last year, but 9 or 14 is still an embarrassment for a 96 win club). It’s one thing to ask an owner to throw 20M more at the payroll, it’s another to ask them to privately finance a stadium.
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By reference to the Sabernomics article above . . .
. . . they might be better (purely profit-wise) as a 70-win team. But I don’t know enough about their market or finances to offer a really meaningful comment.
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Perhaps
They think if they’re good for a while the powers that be in Tampa-St. Pete will see fit to give them a real stadium, in which case they might be able to move from the small-market to the large- (or at least mid-) market equilibrium. It could be a longer-term game they’re playing.
good observation
but apparently irrelevant to those Marlins, the Royals, and the Devil Rays (i.e. the pre-NJ ownership version). It’s not an uncommon story in today’s MLB.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 6:53 AM PDT up reply actions
The utter bullshit part
is the assertion that he never informed the other owners of what he was doing. I find that REALLY hard to believe. Especially knowing what we do of Bill Neukom. It just sounds like a convenient excuse to make for the reshuffling of power. If it is true, then I applaud Neukom for going against their greedy wishes and allocating funds for the team to try to defend their world title.
There we go again.
Taking unexpectedly high income arriving in a one-time rush and putting some of it by for a thinner future time is “greedy wishes”. My, oh my.
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so they all had a hand in the zito and rowand contracts?
and peter the pink just took the fall?
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Pot and kettle.
If the movie had been the project Steven Soderbergh envisioned, it would probably have been a financial failure, considering the cost of big-name stars, but most who know about think it would have been an artistic success. As it became after Sony removed Soderbergh, it is a blowsy melodrama that happens to be connected, by the lead character’s occupation, with baseball.
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As I feared. Sounds tiresome.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Mind . . .
. . . haven’t seen it—but have read the script.
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The project Soderbergh envisioned evolved after Sony commissioned the production. Ironically (in relation to this discussion about Neukom), because he kept them in the dark about what he was doing and wanted to do something different from what they hired him to do, the decision was made to remove him.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean he was fired for failure to communicate how he was spending their money? Why does that sound so familiar?
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by can of corn on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno.
When you’re out on the lot running film, how occult can your activities be to your backers?
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Pre-production shenanigans. Otherwise, you’re right. That’s why Sony pulled the plug before they started shooting (the Friday before they were to start, in fact).
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Only sort of.
My ugly puss was in a film can well before that, and so, I believe, were a lot of others. It was the hot-shot star turns that were yet to start.
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most people who have seen it have given it above average reviews.
Al Leiter saw an early showing and said he liked it.
Of course Law is going to hate it, he hated the book as well.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Sep 14, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
so
there’s a Chronicle blurb that seems to have confirmed the earlier news from Purdy.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
According to sources close to the team, as well as the Mercury News report, the issue at hand was Neukom’s communication with the Giants’ executive committee. The team’s payroll mushroomed after last year’s championship as Giants’ management signed free agents to shore up a hitting lineup that was vastly overshadowed by the pitching staff.
“There was a rumor that something like this was going to be announced the last week of the season,” one source close to the team told The Chronicle. “Someone jumped the gun.”
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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They signed
Miguel Tejada and re-signed Aubrey Huff
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by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:34 PM PDT reply actions
The idea sounds great, but there’s still no evidence of any such plan in effect on the field
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I liked to look at it as a long-term process
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Owners who care more about profits than wins
disgust me. We are the ones who give them their profits. We pay them their money so that we can become emotionally invested in a bunch of ballplayers playing the game we love. We rise and fall with the team.
And they repay us by swindling us. We’ll happily take your money, they say. Do not expect the best product in return, though. We must make money, you see.
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by thehavenot on Sep 14, 2011 7:34 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
those owners also almost never win. There’s a reason why the Yankees are so dominant and why the Dodgers stopped being once the O’Malley’s sold it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
very true. I was there for the Dodgers demise. Every year, a new plan. a once fruitful farm system reduced to almost nothing.
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and the similarities to their 1988 championship is scarily similar to ours last year.
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I know I say this as a Giants’ fan but what’s happened since the O’Malley’s sold the team has been really sad
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
it is sad. our rivalry is just a shadow of it’s former self.
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The irony being
The teams that care about wins and invest in them, ultimately end up raking in the most profits. Look at what’s happened to the Phillies over the past decade, and the Red Sox since winning in 2004. Other teams with lesser payrolls and markets have helped themselves in this regard too.
Nothing ironic about it.
Irony = “poignantly opposite to what was expected or intended”. That is exactly what caring about and investing wins producing maximum income is not. It is exactly what is expected, and the economists have published the numbers some while back.
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Better word than “irony” here might be “axiom” or “correlative.”
Just suggesting.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
The Debt Payments
One thing we haven’t heard people talk about is the debt payments. They owe about $20 million a year and I think they still have to pay it up til close to 2020. So that cold explain the anger over the high payroll and the rainy day fund and the desire just to keep people coming in. That was Magowan’s primary motivation while Neukom seemed less concerned with it
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:45 PM PDT reply actions
With the CSN deal, their Extra Innings cut, and mlb.com revenue, (all of which came about after the Giants financed their stadium) that became less of an issue. They are making boatloads of money now.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought they had refinanced that down, too. Maybe I’m imagining that.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I was mainly wondering because nobody’s mentioned it in awhile and it was always talked about during Magowan’s tenure as the reason they couldn’t sign Vlad or what have you. If it’s still an issue, everybody talking about signing this free agent and that free agent would be meaningless. But I do wonder if that’s what they mean by “rainy day fund” or whatever they mentioned.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Rainy days and Mondays always make me cold.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Who is ready for some unfounded speculation?
I remember hearing that ownership signed off immediately on DFAing Rowand and eating his 15 million.
Neuk was like “GTFO” and the rest of the committee was like “That was $15 million and he was gritty”. If so, thanks Bill, for neuking that contract.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Sep 14, 2011 7:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yet more
Maybe the “we’re deciding what to do with Zito” rumors were $47M of “waste” they wouldn’t take.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This what I think happened.
Seriously, how pissed off could the rest of ownership be for resigning most of the players from the WS championship? The timing really makes it look like the issues they have about not being consulted probably went something like this:
Sabean: Hey Neuk, how’s going?
Neukom: Fine Brian.
Sabean: I have a question for you, I’ve been talking to Boch about Rowand and Tejada. He insists on playing them however. He says “If they’re on my team I’m gonna play’em” I reminded him that this only counts for guys over 27. He acknowledged that but insisted on keeping those bums in the lineup. Now I’ve got a toxic clubhouse down there and this team is falling apart.
Neukom: (interrupting) Brian, how much is left on those contracts? Isn’t Tejada just this year? And Rowand is what? 12 million next year?
Sabean: Yes.
Neukom: Well fire their asses.
Sabean: But ownership is going to be pissed that’s 14 million wasted.
Neukom: Brian, I am ownership.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Sep 14, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Theory
Since moving to San Francisco, the Giants have won the pennant once under each owner. Firing Neukom was actually brilliant because it means that the Giants can win the pennant again.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
but Neukom was the only one to win a WS
maybe he was the lucky charm
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
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"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 14, 2011 7:54 PM PDT up reply actions
except in this case its WS and GTFO
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
NOOOOOOOOOO
/claws at face in hysterical grief and rage
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by Murray, Present on Sep 14, 2011 7:55 PM PDT reply actions
Ugh, fine.
Jesus, there’s little…trailing edges everywhere. It looks like a kindergartener sculpted a face out of wet construction paper! This is so fucking disgustOHHH SHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT I’M DEAD
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
This is all just another leadup to a new promotion
They will have a Be Managing General Partner for a Day contests at the yard next year.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 7:56 PM PDT reply actions
all part of Amy G’s brilliant plan to take over the team
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions
ding ding! We found our Cersei Lannister!
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions
does this mean she’s been having a clandestine affair with Krukow?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions
They'll pick the baby that was conceived on November 1, 2010 as the president
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by Murray, Present on Sep 14, 2011 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions
invalid
The baby’s name is Brooklyn.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:02 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/08/sf-giants-world-series-baby-announced
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly not real Giants fans
And they even spelled it Brooklynn.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a complete travesty
I look at the parents and I think, shame.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Congrats, you just made sure that everyone will always misspell your child’s name!
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Like “El Person” is so great.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 8:21 PM PDT up reply actions
One wonders why none of your ancestors thought to change the family name from Disaster.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
It would ruin it for his sister Total.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And their cousin, National.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
MY MOM'S NAME WAS UTTER
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That sucks.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Gallo, it warms my heart for that to have been understood.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
They did.
It used to be ‘Shithouse.’
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Brooklyn Decker?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Desmond Howard?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually meant the Phillies player, but sure. Whatever
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I get you. I just like making that joke.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear I never touched her.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 16, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Besides the prize package was totally lame. The cash prize was nice, but I’d expect season tickets in exchange for expelling a human being from my body.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Baer gonna be the permanent guy or should I send in my resume?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 14, 2011 7:58 PM PDT reply actions
worth a shot.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Sep 14, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Who Wants to be a GM?
Followed by American Baseball Executive.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you trade O-Cab for Neal?
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
On my resume I would include that I won a World Series
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by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
include your salary requirements
helpful hint: use a low number.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions
4 game winning streak
when was the last one?
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 8:08 PM PDT reply actions
Just need to win 13 more in a row.
Very doable. Will it be enough, though. It would definitely put us 5 games or fewer back of AZ. The Braves..who knows.
We’re kinda fucked.
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by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 8:15 PM PDT up reply actions
And in our wake, we’ll dredge the Erie Canal!!!
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
sal_castaneda Sal Castaneda
Tom Hagen: “Maybe I could help.” Michael Corleone: “You’re out Tom.”
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 8:15 PM PDT reply actions
O_o Sal Castaneda….wasn’t he like the morning traffic guy on KTVU or something???
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Still is
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Neukom's ouster may or may not be bad
But was is absolutely terrible is that all of the National Geographic shows are dropping from Netflix Instant on the 22nd.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Don't blame them, blame the studios
Now that they see the profit potential of streaming video and its competition with more conventional forms of entertainment, they are raising the rates they charge Netflix or pulling their content entirely
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Really??? Damn.
I’m beginning to hate you, Netflix.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I'm planning a National Geographic binge before they are gone
Right now: The Appalachian Trail
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Yeah Netflix is kinda shitting the bed lately. I haven’t had an account since I was laid off at the end of 08, but their changes over the summer made people lose their minds.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
At some point I may actually switch back to a DVDs only-plan. Netflix and the junk mail industry will be all that’s keeping the USPS afloat.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't imagine dropping the streaming part of Netflix
It’s the part that I care the most about, even with the limited library.
My dream is that I can watch any movie I want on streaming. But I don’t know if that will ever happen.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Streaming is nice, isn’t it. I just stream watched another episode of Happy Tree Friends tonight. The fact that I found it emotionally satisfying is kind of worrying, actually.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I consider myself a rather sick bastard, but HTF is a little over the top even for me.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
yeah
Meh day in lecture, irritating phone calls with ESPN trying to cancel my subscription — I was in a dark mood earlier this evening. HTF, some scotch, I’m better now.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Whaaaaaa
Nooooooooooo
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS IS DELICIOUS!
YES
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who are they?
Does anyone know who the executive board (or whatever they call it) members are? Or where to get a list of the minority owners?
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"
Try the website
I would imagine the executive committee are the “principal partners”
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Thx so much :)
I got one word for you: "youneverknow"
no
there’s only 10 on the executive committee and 30-something principals.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 14, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay, then who are the exectuive committee members?
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
We could tell you, but . . . .
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
if you find out that would be quite interesting.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 6:57 AM PDT up reply actions
"Scott Seligman"
Hmm. . .
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
hahaha
artist’s rendering!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
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by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions
7 games back?
it could be a miracle
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 8:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Justin Upton is 0-for-18 against Kershaw this year. Did not know that. That’s kind of amazing.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
he sucks
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
sholy crap
Bill Welke just threw Kershaw out for hitting Parra. In the sixth inning of a game in which he was cruising.
I saw that on gameday! What the hell did he do?
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It was an inside fastball to be sure, but it only grazed Parra’s elbow. Apparently there was past bad blood regarding Parra, so the umps were on the lookout for trouble.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, they just showed the replay of the previous game. Kuo threw high and tight to Parra. Then Parra hit a HR, took his time around the bases, and exchanged heated words with Kershaw, who was mouthing something like “you’ll find out”.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
...
THEY ARE LEADING 2-0!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
CONSPIRACY!
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Sep 14, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL BEAVIS
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
The fix is in.
No wonder we can’t score!
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Even the DBacks broadcasters thought it was wrong to eject Kershaw.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah. I think if Kershaw wanted to hit Parra, he would have left no doubt about it — squarely in the butt or back. This just grazed the elbow. I’d interpret it as an honest attempt to pitch inside.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
If I lose in the first round of my fantasy league playoffs, Bill Welke is going to get an unpleasant visit from a group of burly lumberjacks.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
You are in the first round?
We are in our final round. And the other guy has Kershaw.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Our first round started this week. Championship round is next week.
I ran away and hid with the regular season standings, but was getting creamed in the first round thanks to Danks sharting himself and my offense sucking.
I was counting on Kershaw going deep enough into the game to balance out Danks and maybe help me to steal a 6-4 or a 5.5-4.5 win.
LOLme.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I am getting creamed in the finals because the Giants decided to start hitting.
My prior strategy of picking up the so-so pitchers from Free Agency who were starting against the Giants that night has not worked out this week.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran's been useful this week. He's got me the HR lead in my matchup, at least.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd be a lot better off if they had been 3 run homers, it's true.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
SFGiantsFans San Francisco Giants
Larry Baer will assume Neukom’s duties & succeed him as CEO. Both Baer and Neukom will address press tomorrow morning. #SFGiants
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Has someone prepared appropriate music?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Song of the Volga Boatmen?
That has about the right amount of zip to it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Neukom is still a partial owner, just not the GM anymore?
by sportsguy950 on Sep 14, 2011 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think they could take the part he actually paid for.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
No. But that is in the 10% range.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Neukom script preview
I’ve been wanting to spend more time with my family…
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions
If I’m ever in a position to deliver one of these speeches, it’s going to start like this:
I’ve been wanting to spend more time counting my millions and millions of dollars.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Unfortunately, he plans to spend that time with his familty on Miguel Tejada.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
gethimgethimgethimgethimgethimgethim
And you know what? Casilla hit the guy right in the arm.
It might be a weird time to come to a conclusion like this, but I want to work in baseball.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Towel boy?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Senior Towel Boy!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Excuse you, that’s Absorbent Fabric Coordinator.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
/monocle
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Executive prognosticator.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Your duties would include spinning around on $600 office chairs.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Some here have seen that in a movie.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Back to School?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Whats a hot tub without bubbles?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 14, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Have you ever been in a cockpit before?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure. But I prefer gladiator movies.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I think I’d really like that, but I don’t have an angle;
I don’t know where I’d be a good fit.
If you go for it, keep copious notes. Please.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
You could go the Jonah Hill route.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Sep 14, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Play the dude named another dude?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Sep 14, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
And lose a ton of weight.
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by Murray, Present on Sep 14, 2011 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I still posit that Justin B looks like Molly Ringwald.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sweat?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
hope you don't like money!
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
I make roughly three times what my equivalent role in a baseball org would make. I make less than 100K. You do the math.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Yes. Yes it is. Long hours and low pay.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
but
plenty of “duties as assigned”! The stories sound remarkably like stories from Bill Veeck books. At SJ Giants games you see the people with pictures on the website all around the yard doing things. There’s the marketing coordinator! There’s the baseball ops guy!
Maybe someone in the industry can write a nice fanpost next year for the garbanzo-type kids interested in doing internships. I remember seeing ads for the Cal League teams late last winter.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Get some baseball on your resume
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
LOL Dodgers announcer
(I’m paraphrasing)
“They just threw out a possible Cy Young and everyone here paid just to see this guy pitch.”
yeah, ever-y-body…upper deck is empty, even behind home plate is pretty thin!
so question— can they do that without an “official” warning, even with all the trash talking Kershaw did last night?
Also, MLBnet RAGE over this is pretty hilarious.
AT&T Park, Home of the WS Champion SF Giants, and Disneyland-so much MAGIC inside!
Sutton and Grace basically said the same thing on DBacks TV.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He has a point, there.
As empty as the stadium is, there are still people there – and everybody there probably DID pay specifically to watch Kershaw, as he’s one of two bright spots on the team this year.
Just because the fans are in revolt doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a point about those who aren’t.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can see this.
I would have been pissed if Lincecum had been tossed (for no good reason) from a one-hitter in a late-season game in 2008.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
It also has (theoretical) playoff implications.
Toss the staff ace of the team facing a team trying to clinch a playoff spot and let them hit against the much-more-porous bullpen?
If the Giants were 2 out instead of 8 out, I’d think you guys would be livid.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you are right.
The truth has sunk in at this point
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
/scratches head in wonderment/
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if the hopes and dreams of Dodger fans are getting deflated, it’s hard to be livid. :) I might be mildly irate.
I would probably get a little angrier if the Dodgers managed to blow it.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
You're also 8 out though. That allows you the luxury of schadenfraude over lividity.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s true. I guess I would be forced to root for the not-D’backs.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Or, at the least, throw shit at the umpire.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions
they must follow the CA teacher’s union playbook :-\
AT&T Park, Home of the WS Champion SF Giants, and Disneyland-so much MAGIC inside!
Other way around. I don't think the teacher's union ever sued the state for accepting mass resignations.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
(after quick google search)
so, 22 umpires tried to bluff their resignations (for negotiation purposes, I’m assuming?) and lost their jobs in the process because their bluff was called? Aaaaand he, being the leader of this group with the super smart idea, wants to sue (btw, who is/was Phillips suing, Selig, MLB?) for conspiracy…wow, I shoulda picked baseball instead of teaching
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In a nutshell, yeah.
It was actually the head of their union who came up with the idea, but it was the umpires whose resignations were accepted who sued, I think.
The contention being something along the lines of “MLB cherry-picked,” if I recall.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s both, he was suing Selig & MLB because he felt they were illegally conspiring against him while he was union leader…but the umpires also sued to get their jobs back (essentially throwing Phillips under the bus, right?) looks like MLB made some attempts at making things “right” and about half got their jobs back a couple years later…still what a cluster-F
AT&T Park, Home of the WS Champion SF Giants, and Disneyland-so much MAGIC inside!
My understanding was that some good ones got canned along with some shit ones so it'd look evenhanded.
And not Selig leaping with both feet at the opportunity to get rid of some guys he desperately wanted gone.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
classy…but if it was all meant as a negotiation “strategy”, why on earth would Phillips actually turn over the resignations to Selig? Why not just wave em around for a bit first, see if he gets anywhere first?
Phillips: “See this?”
Selig: “Yeah, what is it?”
Phillips “A stack of resignation letters from the umpires, we want some changes made.” /throws them on Selig’s desk
Selig: “Ok, thanks.”
Phillips: “Yeah, and if we don’t….Wait, what?!”
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High-risk/high-reward.
Threatening to resign just invites them to call your bluff, and that was never the goal. Actually resigning, in Phillips’ view, would devastate MLB, because where would they EVER get competent replacements? Surely the fans wouldn’t go see games worked by AAA umpires.
They, uh, overestimated their value, Selig called them on it, and they caved like a wet paper bag in the middle of Katrina.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Time has dimmed my memory . . .
. . . but wasn’t the active agent there Sandy Alderson, not Selig?
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Mighta been. Think I was in high school when that went down.
Longer ago than I care to think about.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I LOL’d at this:
Actually resigning, in Phillips’ view, would devastate MLB, because where would they EVER get competent replacements?
IDK if Selig was or wasn’t, the articles I read all stated he was the target of Phillips’ lawsuit, & also MLB, so maybe Alderson was lumped in to that portion of the lawsuit?
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Respondeat superior, I'd guess.
Meaning that any suit would name Selig. Alderson was with MLB in the year of the resignations, but whether he was then in charge of the umps I am not sure.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Yes, Alderson had the great quote:
“This is either a threat to be ignored or an offer to be accepted.”
If the Giants were 2 out instead of 8 out, I’d think you guys would be livid.
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
curse you for having rational thoughts! /shakes fist wildly in your direction
all I wanted to do was poke a little fun… aw gee
/shuffles off quietly
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all I wanted to do was poke a little fun…
TWHS.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions
What does one lose by poking a little fun?
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Mark Mulder (and Brett Anderson agree!)
markmulder20 Mark Mulder
by BrettAnderson49
So ridiculous that kershaw just got thrown out of the game. Let the players handle these situations
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Lefties sticking together.
Mulder was completely out of baseball before Anderson reached the majors, no? Curious that they would tweet-know-each other.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I think so.
Maybe Anderson met Mulder at some A’s publicity event. Or maybe he just looked up to Mulder and decided to randomly follow him (kind of like how I randomly follow Anderson, Pablo, etc)
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh wow. I did not know this
Lincecum, who has thrown a NL-high 3,430 pitches this year
From MLB post-game article
OT: Sorry to interrupt the binge of wisdom regarding ownership . . .
But I have actual excellent tix to the RiverCats/Prairie Oyster game on Saturday night.
Six rows behind the dugout. Two of them, and free, to a good home
I also have some down the left field line. Also free.
Gallo del Cielo, hijo de mi madre y al servicio del majesterio.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:15 PM PDT reply actions
Absolutely. It’s the team from Omaha that is up against the River Cats for the PCL championship.
You could have a front row seat if you were willing to drive to Sacramento on Saturday evening, wcw, if that is your name. I could even arrange for you to meet Billy Beane, who has nothing better to do, I’m sure.
Me, I’m busy that night.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
the name is wcw, but it is pronounced john
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmmm. Must be Plains Dakota.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It remains unchanged:
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Hit "Post" too soon:
It remains unchanged:
a joke.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
that’s not a haiku
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Here
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 9:37 PM PDT reply actions
Is "The Giants' Way" anything like "The Greek Way?"
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 9:41 PM PDT reply actions
Paderasty?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Hey!
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 9:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not my patron, and not standing up.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU GUYS ARE NATIONALITY-IST
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 10:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
well this is san francisco
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
- Focus on young talent
- Strenuous Spring training
- Essentialism
- Forcing the man with the vision to take hemlock for his disrespect
We’re getting there!
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
The Spartan Way!!!
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, his elbow probably hurts, right?
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Kershaw was planning ahead! Although I think it was the other elbow that got hit.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Watched a wee bit of Reefer Madness
LOL 30’s
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 9:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Heh. I have that DVD.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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It's very cheesy and I guess they did not bother to find facts
“Marijuana is far more dangerous than cocaine or heroin.” Makes tons of sense
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 10:02 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Alcohol is the monster of history!!!
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
But . . .
. . . steroids are more dangeous than cocaine! The U.S. Congress has emphatically told us so! So which trumps which: marijuana or steroids?
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I imagine people watching this movie today while smoking pot.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If you snorkle for too long...
YOU GO CRAZY
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 10:21 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It actually adverbializes the first name.
“This dude isn’t just Jansen; he’s Kenley Jansen. That’s Jansen to the max. In fact, his nickname is Max.”
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
by waelwulf on Sep 14, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is pretty awesome
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Schulman's article discussed yet? Didn't see it skimming through.
Neukom will be replaced on Dec. 31 by team President and Chief Operating Officer Larry Baer, whose title will be elevated to chief executive officer. Neukom will be named chairman emeritus, the team said. He is expected to sell his stake in the team to other investors.
HES OUT
I rhyme with freak.
Didn't know this
After he took the helm of the Giants, Neukom wrote a credo called “The Giants Way,” which demanded professionalism across the organization, from the players up to the front office. He also took a keen interest in the new wave of complex statistics known in baseball as Sabermetrics.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
What's the big deal?
There was a fashion a few years back for corporations to write “mission statements.” It’s just corporate busywork.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
He took an interest in sabermetrics?
The Giants ownership must not know what that is and they thought he was a witch or something.
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
More like an empty title.
The ‘emeritus’ is latin for ‘you were so great while you were there. now go enjoy retirement.’
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"executive assistant" is an empty title for "secretary"
At least it used to be. Now I think “secretary” has become an insulting term for “executive assistant.”
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I was a “Marketing Secretary” for four years, and I never objected.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to be Secretary of War.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
But defense is wussy and misrepresentational >:(
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
… damn that makes sense.
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I call myself a secretary now, because every time I describe my job without saying secretary, the person listening says, “Oh, so, like, a secretary?”
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s no disgrace. Secretaries run the world.
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by gallo del cielo on Sep 14, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really
It’s more like “Chairman who we put out to pasture.” The “Emeritus” guys don’t have any actual duties like an executive assistant would.
He is expected to sell his stake in the team to other investors.
Holy shit.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They did the same thing with Magowan, didn’t they? I suppose there’s something in their partnership agreements that makes this possible.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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by can of corn on Sep 14, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I think so
but I’m fairly certain Magowan is still described as a “minority owner” when they talk to him. In his case they probably just bought him out of the “principal owner” class.
If they are really and literally buying Neukom’s entire ownership interest, that would be pretty interesting. And imply an awful lot of bad blood.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Neukom just took the black.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Ayup.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 14, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He pissed someone off good he did.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
THAT'LL TEACH HIM TO TAKE AN INTEREST IN SABERMETRICS
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
2010: TGWTWS One of the most unbelievable, impossible,magic-packed amazing years of my life.
Before I even look at a giants lineup I'm already thinking LOLBELT
The 2011 San Francisco Giants: comprised of extraordinary pitching and a black hole of suck that is their offense
I doubt it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
lol kidding
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
2010: TGWTWS One of the most unbelievable, impossible,magic-packed amazing years of my life.
Before I even look at a giants lineup I'm already thinking LOLBELT
The 2011 San Francisco Giants: comprised of extraordinary pitching and a black hole of suck that is their offense
And what of my wroth, Lord Neukom?
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrath. "Wroth" is an adjective.
“Sir, the Dean is waxing wroth!”
“Oh yeah? Well, have Roth wax the dean for awhile.’’
Groucho Marx, “Horse Feathers”
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
dammit. I will choose to blame Lena Headey’s pronunciation.
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
i was gonna check out the original text
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
i have a pdf
" I promise you, no matter where you flee, Robert’s wrath will follow you, to the back of beyond if need be."
The queen stood. "And what of my wrath, Lord Stark?" she asked softly.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You’re more selfish than Beltrain!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
i honestly just googled "Game of Thrones pdf"
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You goggled what now?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:15 AM PDT up reply actions
sweet
I mainly wanted to see if George had gotten it right in the first place; he’s not completely immune to High Style dialogue that sounds neat but doesn’t actually mean much (and more!)
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
LEAL LEAL LEAL LEAL LEAL LEAL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
neeps
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
this is like some kind of weird Westeros remix poetry
like if you put all these words together you’re suddenly beatboxing.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
/remixes in refrain of Rains of Castamere
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
it is known it is known
you know nothing, jon snow
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wh-wh-where do whores go? Where do they go?
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
fucking lancel and osmund kettleblack and probably moonboy for all i know
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
feel good hit of the summer
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It’s got a great beat, and you can murder troublesome relatives to it!
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
what is dead can never die
what is dead
what is dead
what is dead can never die
but rises again
harder
stronger
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
A BEAR THERE WAS!
A BEAR!
A BEAR!
AND BLACK AND BROWN
AND COVERED WITH HAIR!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
owlcroft is right
The queen stood. “And what of my wrath, Lord Stark?” he asked softly. Her eyes searched his face. “You should have taken the realm for yourself. It was there for the taking. Jaime told me how you found him on the Iron Throne the day King’s Landing fell, and made him yield it up. That was your moment. All you needed to do was climb those steps, and take it. Such a sad mistake.”
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions
someone needs to write the alternate universe where he did that
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
i know george hates fanfic but
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
If he hates fanfic then he should not have a LiveJournal account!!!
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
What is the point of a livejournal account other than the creation/consumption/distribution of fanfic?
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and cast member hints
that make no sense to me but are nevertheless figured out by the nerds at winter-is-coming within 5-10 seconds
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
i don't think he'd have been very happy
but i’m pretty sure the night’s watch, at least, would be better equipped/supported
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
They’d have to search for an excuse of legitimacy tied to the Targaryens though. Robert had to dredge up some Targaryen marriage in his ancestry.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
lyan- *gets shot*
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
whoop
the pull on this crossbow really is light! sorry about that, everyone!
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s what Maris said!!
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
eh
I think the overall thing there was that it was clearly a thin justification; Renly (I believe) says so at some point. Power is self-justifying in Westeros.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 14, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but that he felt the need to bring it up …
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Meh, they all intermarried at some point, I’m sure
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
u win or u die
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
or u take the black
lawls jk u die
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apparently in the game of baseball
you win AND you’re fired
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
she’s actually bajoran
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by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I hath proclaimed thee to be a fart face.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
man
Honkballer is just throwing fastballs in the zone by people.
Fuck the ownership group
If I were Neukom, I’d tell them to go fuck themselves during the press conference tomorrow
“I won a world series bitches!” “Suck it!”
Someone on Twitter suggested fans wear bow ties to the final game of the season.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
With fezzes?
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I finished S5 of Doctor Who
and S6 is not on Netflix yet. It’s still going on, yeah? Know where I can catch up?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
If you have Comcast they’re all available On Demand. For watching it online i usually go to tv-links.eu, and the putlocker and megavideo links there stream quite well at decent quality.
I’ve been a bit disappointed by the latest episodes since it came back for the 2nd half of the season…
The first six innings are overrated.
They’re all online somewhere— that’s how I’ve been wathing the 2nd half. Google and a lot of time on your hands is your friend. And I loved last week’s episode if
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I have school tomorrow and I'm sick of being tired throughout the day
’night everyone
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 10:26 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I can't remember the last time I went to sleep before midnight
I am usually abed around 3
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Whenever I go to bed early I usually thrash around until 2.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I find that nothing keeps me up later than knowing I have to get up early the next day. It never fails, I go two bed 8 hours before I need to get up and I only get about 90 minutes of sleep.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Oh yeah. This is my private little hell. I’ve been sleeping better the past few weeks though.
by non sequitur on Sep 14, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate those people who can fall asleep a few minutes after they get in bed, or sleep in the car on a trip, or sitting up, or any other non-normal sleeping situation. It takes me like an hour to fall asleep, and I wake up frequently throughout the night/early morning.
The first six innings are overrated.
How about flying?
ugh my mother is one of those creatures who get on a PLANE and fall asleep before takeoff and can stay asleep until mealtime, often SHRUG IT OFF, go back to sleep, and then glide through customs with a smile.
my father on the other hand is always chosen for special screening. my sister has panic attacks and disorientation. I hold perfectly still, my heart racing, waiting for turbulence.
mom cuddles up snoring.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t do planes either but that’s not too difficult depending on the length of the flight and whatnot. What really gets me are the car sleepers. One of my friend slept through pretty much the entire drive from Seattle to Vancouver in a sedan with 3 other people talking and the radio on. It’s not fair.
The first six innings are overrated.
… oh. i’m that.
.^_^.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
i once slept while my cousin’s boyfriend, a novice driver, drove Highway 1 through Big Sur for the first time.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 14, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh – I first read that as “with my”. . .
I was expecting a more interesting story.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I read your comment first, and then read jim’s comment FOUR TIMES before I stopped seeing “with my”.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re welcome.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
by can of corn on Sep 15, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m utterly convinced that I was born to live on a planet with a 25 hour day. When left to my own devices, I go to sleep an hour later every night.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Do you wake up an hour later, too? I found myself doing something similar when i didn’t have school of a job, but it quickly self corrects when you feel like a lazy piece of shit because you’re waking up at 2 in the afternoon.
The first six innings are overrated.
*school or a job
I’m not quite sure how school of a job would work.
The first six innings are overrated.
Speaking of that
Community and Parks and Recreation are back in a week and a day.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
omg so excited
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Since school started
I Have been trying to go to sleep before midnight-unsuccsessfully. CRAP I posted a comment after I said I would go. ’night everyone again.
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
by greekfro on Sep 14, 2011 10:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ha!
I hear ya, and I have a 7:45 class everyday too. ugh
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: mlb website
I hate you because you always go from one video to another that’s some other freaking team I couldn’t possibly care about. You should only have to hit “more from this game” once.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Anyway:
. . . back to P. D. James for a while. Maybe much later. ’night.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
yep. I'm on a spate of re-reading old & familiar cozies.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I adore old mystery novels. And the resulting BBC productions made from them
I am actually rewatching the Miss Marple series right now, though she has never been my favorite. I much prefer Poirot. Or Holmes, or Lord Peter Wimsey, etc.
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 15, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
The televised Miss Marple with Joan Hickson . . .
. . . was vastly better than its source material, chiefly owing to Hickson, who managed to make highly plausible the idea of a little old lady “with a mind like a bacon slicer”.
The Poirots were well adapted: beautiful settings and costumes, fine if tongue in cheek acting, and ineffably silly plots.
The Holmeses were, till the last season or so, when they began “augmenting” Conan Doyle, rather good.
Despite Ian Carmichael’s not looking at all like Peter Wimsey (blond-tinted hair and all), that series was superlative, and Glyn Houston’s Bunter added a lot to it: like Hickson, Carmichael gave the character more than the original author did, though Sayers had more than her share of witty intelligence.
BBC in general is very good at period pieces as far as setting, costumes, and actors go, but as a rule can’t manage coherent screen adaptations worth a hmmmm. Their “Millennium Presentation” of Mervyn Peake’s “Gormenghast” novels must have made Peake’s corpse spin in its grave like a pinwheel.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
The thing that bothers me
It seems like Neukom was doing the financially intelligent thing – with revenue up, and a greater profit margin, he was re-investing parts of the Operating Income into (in his mind) improving the corporation. Typical (and good) corporate strategy.
Putting money away for a “rainy day” fund is pretty foolish. Investing back into the corporation so that there’s a more generation of revenue in the future is the smart thing to do. The fact that the Giant’s 10 principal owners (who all have to be pretty well versed in basic business strategy) could not see that is suspect.
So either it’s the other 10 principal owners not wanting any of their hard earned profits spent, or there is something much deeper and more complex going on.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
Wow. Steward is really high on Sanchez.
It was a great experience for anyone who witnessed it. If anyone had doubts this kid has the goods, and with some refinement could be a high-quality major-league catcher, they saw the proof Wednesday. If for some reason Posey can’t make it back or Buster has to move to another position, Sanchez ultimately could be the guy. For now, he’s an enticing fall-back.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
The fact that he caught Lincecum without allowing any passed balls was pretty impressive
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
he's looked
surprisingly un-bad.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions
He and Belt are really coming up big on the “rookies can’t hit major league breaking balls” stereotype. My non-professional scouting eyes confirm Steward’s assessment.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder
If his stereotype is on the rise because 10-15 years ago, when these 20-25 year olds were in little league, it suddenly became anathema for kids to throw breaking balls.
Probably not.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I hadn't considered that.
I thought the conventional wisdom (and the bulk of that wisdom I gleaned from my dad when he played semi-pro and my own time in little league, and also broadcasting games in college) was that the better the level, the better the pitches.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I do gotta say
It was good seeing him handle Timmy pretty well.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 14, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, he’s not as attractive as Posey, so that should reduce the amount of fanfic
by WhatsAMataHari on Sep 14, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
7 games out!
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 11:08 PM PDT reply actions
I’m not even thinking about it until we get anywhere near 3 games behind
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Sep 14, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds like opening day of next year
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Can't figure out why anyone ever thought this would work
http://pitchfork.com/news/43997-watch-scenes-from-kanye-rhymefests-failed-tv-show/
The first six innings are overrated.
I don’t need those elitists at Pitchfork judging the quality of my ip address, thank you very much.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Can anyone tell me why
my inner ear itches incessantly? It’s driving me nuts.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Which they didn't even make a big deal out of when they absolutely should have. Annoying.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey guys you might think this is funny, but
WHAT IF I CAM HERE FOR MEDICAL DIAGNOSIS?
HUH? WHAT THEN?
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Sep 14, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what it could be? Past-life experience intruding on present time. Could be erased memories stored in the collective unconscious. I wouldn’t rule out clairvoyance or telepathic contact, either.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It's usually just my left ear,
and sometimes big chunks of skin or wax fall out. Not sure if it’s flaky dried skin cells or dried on crusty wax. It sucks.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Sep 14, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I would assume it’s an excess of something and the itchiness is irritation from the excess.
by Every6thDay on Sep 14, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be a strand of hair
MOON LANDING? BEAR GRYLLS!
by Anonymous1337 on Sep 14, 2011 11:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like what my husband has.
He has really dry ear wax. He had to go in and have it flushed once and the doc said to just put some oil in his ear while in the shower about once a week. Hasn’t had to flush it since.
I say go to the doctor and get it checked, tho.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
flushing is fun
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 15, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I had to get my ear flushed once
Thought it might be an ear infection. The doctor was cute as hell, and I was thinking about trying to chat her up but after she cleaned something resembling daal masoor out of my ear canal I was not exactly feeling at my most confident.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Moral of the story:
Clean out your ears regularly and find less gross reasons to go to the doctor, just in case you want to hit on him/her.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
plague
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Sep 14, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
After reading more on the subject, I'm convinced they ousted Neukom
for spending the rainy day fund on volcano insurance.
YOU GOT VOTED ON BY A BOARD OF INVESTORS WHO DECIDED TO KICK YOU THE FUCK *OUT*!!!
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 14, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE MEMO DETAILING YOUR DEPARTURE FROM THIS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP????
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Sep 15, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
JPONRY IS NOW KHALEESI
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Sep 15, 2011 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
khaleesi949
The first six innings are overrated.
NEVER TOUCH A BLACK MAN'S FARM SYSTEM
by schmohog on Sep 15, 2011 12:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Farewell, sweet prince. You brought us a World Series and now you’re being forced out. You were the messiah. You were Jesus. You were Mohammed. You were Moses. Long live the king.
Section 314 FTW!
by KingofDucks1987 on Sep 14, 2011 11:59 PM PDT reply actions
LOL
For those not on the twitters:
@mccoveychron
McCovey Chronicles
Didn’t think I could love a manager as much as Mattingly RT @placovara:Wait..Mattingly was warned before the game, and..didn’t tell anyone?
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2011 12:10 AM PDT reply actions
MattingLOL
The gift that keeps on giving.
I rhyme with freak.
by shanghaijim on Sep 15, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m gonna go get the pitcher, get the pitcher.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
This whole thing feels like a scapegoat power play
Let’s face it.
If the CEO of HP killed three programs in development to buy a company… let’s go with RIM… then RIM looked pretty good but ultimately didn’t sell, he’d be scapegoated and fired.
In this scenario, Beltran is RIM and the three programs in development were Wheeler, Sosa, and Neal.
With big contracts coming up for the core of Giants pitching, the entire financial risk Neukom took was based on making the playoffs, earning that revenue, and further expanding the national fan base in a year when the whole thing is also being documented behind the scenes on Showtime.
That gamble failed. Beltran went cold at the worst possible time, Wheeler started throwing gems for the New York farm system, the Giants lost an embarassing game to Sosa, and unless Atlanta loses to the Mets and SF figures out how to beat the snakes there will be no playoffs.
Neukom was betting the house and every time something went wrong he went double-or-nothing on the table. In retrospect, all his crazy deals make sense – even the Voodoo idea that 5 of 6 teams Caberera has been traded to made the playoffs so the Giants would too if he came on board.
Incidentally, there is another guy who started off with a good idea but kept doubling down every time something went wrong.
Bernie Madoff.
I suspect it’s not yet a crisis but if the Giants don’t stem the tide of Neukom’s double-down efforts it’s going to be a huge disaster.
I also think this is the leading edge of a shake up. It doesn’t make sense to bring in a new guy who doesn’t know the team but there are some very talented staffers down in San Jose who we know work well with SF. Perhaps we’ll see a youth movement in the coaching staff for 2012 as well.
A guy can dream.
This is all kinds of crazy
There’s at least a dozen people who deserve more blame for this season than Neukom, the Keppinger/Sosa trade was an great move, the Beltran trade was expensive and risky but understandable, and I dont know how you could talk about doubling down after mistakes are made.
Also, you forgot to compare him to Hitler.
The first six innings are overrated.
As I said, it feels like a scapegoat move
With the owners making a power play. I do think Neukom did a lot of doubling down on bad news though and again, the entire financial calculation was dependent on a playoff berth.
au contraire
they wasted money on Tejada and wouldn’t cough up for a real upgrade there nor pay $3M to Torrealba (if that story is true). And they didn’t pay Uribe. So I think you’re left with Huff’s deal which was only 2 years. The Mets ate some of Beltrain’s salary.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Henry Sosa is not a good pitcher
He shut down the Giants. He would have no value to the Giants even if he had stayed because as a Giant he would not be able to pitch against the Giants.
"Forget it, Jake. It's academic."
In retrospect, all his crazy deals make sense – even the Voodoo idea that 5 of 6 teams Caberera has been traded to made the playoffs so the Giants would too if he came on board.
In retrospect, that makes sense?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2011 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
If you look back to the Mesozoic Era, you can see the faint outline of Orlando Cabrera.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
What I don't get
I know some of this is speculation here but:
If your are these majority owners and you leave the running of your investment to others and there are rules for purchases, that are abused, why would it take so long to send them packing.
I doubt we will ever know what really happened anyway.
but…thanks for last year Bill Neukom, you’re the best!
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Sep 15, 2011 1:38 AM PDT reply actions
Starbucks coffee sucks. Luckily it is free today.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
It is terrible.
Homemade espresso drinks FTW!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I would like to apologize now to anybody who may have been interested in the forthcoming Dark Shadows movie. I apologize because Tim Burton won’t.
LOL Barnabas Collins.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
http://cdn.screenrant.com/wp-content/uploads/Johnny-Depp-Dark-Shadows-Barnabas-Collins.jpg
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2011 6:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think at this point they’re just fucking with people.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Depp and Burton, I mean. It’s the only way to explain the last several years.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Debilitating Albatross Contracts FTW
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Many assume spending will slow under Baer. Remember, he’s Mr. Marketing. Behind Bonds strategy. Could mean bigger push for Pujols, Prince.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
OTOH
You know I’d be happy.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Until we have no money left for Timmy or Cain
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
GP doesn't want to re-sign Timmy or Cain
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I always thought he did if it was like Weaver/Verlander/Felix money
Just not Sabathia money
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
True
I just happen to think they’re going to get a lot closer to the Sabathia money. I hope I’m wrong.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
would you be happy
if they mean they are signing Luis Pujols and Tom Prince for next year?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Not that Prince
We’re talking marketing here…they’re going to hire Prince and the New Power Generation to sing the national anthem and “Take Me Out To The Ballgame” at every home game.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
by EliminateMe on Sep 15, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
If there is going to be a slow in spending why would there be a push for Pujols or Fielder??
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I think that Schulman is trying to say that there might not be a slow in spending.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
in which case
the other reports of “Neukom spends too much” are so much fertilizer?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
“Neukom spends too much and doesn’t consult with the people whose money he’s spending” is the actual report.
Full spend ahead!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, why must this be an either or?
Reyes SS
Sandoval 2B
Pujols 3B
Fielder 1B
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
LOL
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
SPEND ALL OF THE MONEY
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
If we do that, we can’t afford Tucker, Snow, Cruz Jr, Tomko, and Neifi FUCKING Perez!
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
by Bhaakon on Sep 15, 2011 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
don’t need to spend all of it just borrow all of it and have no collateral and just be in a huge debt. oops sorry i was talking about the government
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Sep 15, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions
OK.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
HAHA! STUPID GOVERNMENT! LOL!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Bullshit
Baer was still holding Magowan’s jock when the Bonds thing went down.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
It is even worse than it seemed!
From Schulman’s front page spread this AM:
Furthermore, though the Giants raised their payroll significantly during Neukom’s watch, the team did not sign any players for longer than two years. He also raised eyebrows around the majors, and even within the organization, when he did not extend the contracts of Sabean and Bochy after the championship, but merely exercised their 2012 options.
After he took the helm of the Giants, Neukom wrote a credo called “The Giants Way,” which demanded professionalism across the organization, from the players up to the front office. He also took a keen interest in the new wave of complex statistics known in baseball as Sabermetrics.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/09/14/MN5L1L4S5V.DTL#ixzz1Y1z2157c
I didn’t realize how much I’d miss him until he was come.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It didn't make any sense
I tried to type “Come back, Neukom”, but my brain scrambled it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Basically they soured on him because
1) He did not sign players to long-term contracts
2) He did not extend Bochy and Sabean
3) He was a sabermetric nerd
It is literally a McCmageddon!
srsly
if Larry Baer is now going to be carrying the water for whomever disagreed with those three things, I can’t wait to see the next albatross contract they hand out. ‘cause it’s coming.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
No
the issue was the lack of communication…Neukom basically decided that he had control of the team, rather than remembering that he was to represent the board.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
To what effect?
If Neukom is unilaterally deciding that money needed to be reinvested back into the team, then fuck the rest of the ownership group.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
it's almost like
he thought his title was “managing general partner”.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
This is what puzzles me about the whole thing… isn’t it the CEO’s job to be making decisions like that?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
It depends
some companies allow their CEO to have a lot of control on day to day stuff but generally CEO are to report to the board and allow them to make the final call on key decisions.
CEO is like the president while the board is like Congress.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
So having the board micro manage is pretty stupid in that analogy.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably…but if what is said about Neukom is true…he brought a lot of it on himself…a key part of his job is communicate to the board.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
You seem to be a pretty staunch Board apologist. What leads you to believe in the Board’s infallibility?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
At this point
I don’t know who to believe at this point…I find it plausible that Neukom basically wanted to free rein to making decisions and wanted the board to stay silent.
I also find it plausible that the board wanted to be cheap although I have never thought of the Giants as a “cheap” organization.
In the end, I believe it’s a communication/personalty issue and not a money issue. I do believe that the Giants will stay competitive, especially now that they know how profitable the team can be.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It may apply to the current ownership group I suppose, but historically, they have not a been free spending franchise.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
True
but I never got a sense that they were cheap…I never heard of any issues that the Giants didn’t get a player because the ownership balked at the price.
The wild cards are the Burns…Sue Burns was a staple and big Giants fan. I just don’t know about the new Burns.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
SAME AS THE OLD BURNS
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
indeed
but it’s not uncommon at all for organizations to have problems with investors over the scope of the duty delegated. “We told you to do this, but we never expected you’d do that!” I think that’s the most common sort of dispute, where there’s a broad authority granted “for all legal purposes to represent the partnership etc.”.
It’s also possible that the partnership agreement or whatever document appointed him had some language that limited his authority in some way, but vaguely, so that there’s been legitimate disputes about what it actually meant. I think the former is more likely, but maybe there were more specific conditions or limits that he arguably didn’t comply with. Or gave those wanting him out enough evidence to sway the required votes on the executive committee.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
We don’t know that…from what Purdy said yesterday, many of the board members were not happy that Neukom would make decision unilaterally and not tell the members. They would find out from the press about moves that Neukom had made.
I think everyone is jumping on the quote that some of the members wanted to save the money for a “raining day” fund but we don’t know what that means. As Grant stated above, that could mean that they wanted to save the money to sign Cain/Lincecum long term.
Most of these board members have been around for a long time, I have never heard any rumors or statements that the Giants have ever been a cheap organization.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
The board members with the vast majority have not been around very long at all.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
True
I do not know anything about the news Burns…release the hounds!
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Ever?
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s the money you make when you sell $5 umbrellas for $15 in a rainstorm!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
If true, this makes the frequent MCC ‘Bowtie’ snark, lumping him in with Sabochy et al., all the more ironic.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
So now we know what new baseball equiptment they were talking about.
Computers with Excel .
Frankly, I agree tat Office is pretty ridiculously priced.
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I really want to say mean things about the Burns girls, but I just can’t.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Although I probably will eventually.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 7:58 AM PDT up reply actions
My respect for their parents is making me want to cut them some slack.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions
HOW COME WHEN A MAN DOES SOMETHING YOU DON'T LIKE YOU SAY NOTHING
BUT WHEN IT’S A WOMAN YOU HAVE TO BITE YOUR TONGUE?!?!?
/internet feminist’d
So here's what the Baseball Gods want as repayment every time we win the World Series
1) A plague of injuries that begins with our brightest star’s leg snapping.
2) An in-season collapse brought on by losing to the worst team in MLB.
3) Terrible midseason trades that cost us valuable prospects.
4) Losing an owner who: a) wants to spend money; b) hates long term contracts; c) isn’t sold on Bochy or Sabean; d) believes in sabermetrics
5) An offense so bad that the pitcher’s need to be treated for clinical depression because they can’t win.
Cool.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Can’t we just give them a sacrifice and be done with it?
I am willing to burn all my old baseball cards and shave my head. Can you ask them if that is enough?
by Myemail21479 on Sep 15, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Right now it is all speculation
I want to see signing attitude this offseason.
If we at least keep payroll around 120 mil, I would be mostly okay with it.
If they try to reel back, I will be pissed.
I still hope it goes up another notch, and we get an impact player like Beltran. Nice to dream sometimes.
New Giants Way: Selfishness
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
It is funny that the joint Baer/Neukom press conference is at 11 today.
There is also a Kepler press conference scheduled for 11 today where they will announce a discovery. For some reason, they also invited a rep from ILM to be there.
I am torn.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:06 AM PDT reply actions
Does Kepler want to spend more time with his family too? Maybe they can issue a joint statement.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Kepler’s mission is unstoppable!
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Well
that’s if you actually believe that the planets move.
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I would like to see Neukom repeatedly reference TGWTWS to the point where everyone in the room is uncomfortable.
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Heh, that would really funny. He should walk out wearing nothing but world series gear.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
They definitely found something pretty weird:
“NASA will host a news briefing at 11 a.m. PDT, Thursday, Sept. 15, to announce a new discovery by the Kepler mission. The briefing will be held in the Syvertson auditorium, building N-201, at NASA’s Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, Calif. … A representative from Industrial Light & Magic (ILM), a division of Lucasfilm Ltd., will join a panel of scientists to discuss the discovery. "
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Did they spot the Death Star??
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
They discovered George Lucas’ ego has reached critical mass and gone into gravitational collapse.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
A black hole
Sucking in everyone’s discretionary income.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
It's pretty clear that ILM will be handling the special effects for this latest space mission.
We’ve come a long way since faking the moon landing on a sound stage in Burbank!
ILM??? What in fuck?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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“We have spotted Warwick Davis. He is approaching at incredible velocity. May god have mercy on us all.”
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Well, to whatever extent you think Kuiper knows what's going on:
knbrmurph Brian Murphy
Kuiper on Neukom/Baer: “This franchise since 92 has had 3 managers, 2 GMs, 3 CEOs. #SFGiants are about continuity. Why would that change?”
knbrmurph Brian Murphy
More Kuiper on Neukom/Baer: “I think plan is to win. And that’s not gonna change. If u think #SFGiants will spend less, that’s ridiculous.”
That’s, at least, encouraging.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Duane Kuiper: Company Man.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I think that role is more normally filled by Kruk
Kuiper usually seems to be pretty independent. But, of course, what would he know about payroll?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
i cant believe these quotes-lol-
the guy is talking about continuity while talking about firing a guy?
the plan is to win but you fire the ONLY winning guy?
?
Why is he the only winning guy? Neukom was the manager, GM, and the CEO last year?
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Can he play SS?
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No
but h would probably still be better than Cabrera
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and maybe that was the problem
He was more the “face of the franchise” Front Office Edition and got [or took] too much credit, started thinking he could act unilaterally and was generally perceived by the other FO types as a big selfish poopyhead. So, out he goes.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I really doubt it
Most of the board members have not shown themselves despite being there for years. I would say that Magowan was much more visible than Neukom. I really think it was a power struggle that Neukom had no chance of winning.
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Part of the job is in fact being the public face of the ownership group.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s kinda the point of naming an MGP in the first place.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Rusty!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
Baer can stand next to him, listening to his metal head, nodding intently. “CEO Rusty has told me that we need to make a splashy free agent signing.”
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Virtual CEO
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He just didn’t tip his cap often enough in the other members of the groups direction.
Open up a can of “I couldn’t have done it alone” and a jar of “thanks to their support”.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Based upon the Purdy interview yesterday, the real issues are control and communication. Neukom may have had the best intentions but he was CEO, not the outright majority owner of the team.
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/Kuiper signs new 60 million dollar broadcasting contract
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 15, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
From what Purdy said, the issues started way before that…I don’t think that was a concern since Rowand/Tejada were sunken costs…I think it was more about how Neukom treated his position. I mean he’s no Grant Brisbee.
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supposedly not
but I’m still ever so thankful that Rowand departed before Neukom was broomed out…
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions
don't forget Tejada
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Whoa!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
it's part
of a continuing series!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
/monocle
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Call us when your town builds bomb shelters to house its art and science.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, my comment had no serious intent, nor was it directed at anyone. I’m amused by the sheer brainpower of the membership here. I mean, would the phrase “The DeYoung is hardly populist architecture” crop up on Lone Star Ball? Hardly!
I like it that way.
A listener-supported service
sorry for being overly defensive!
I too enjoy that and you are a prime contributor to quality nerdery. I’m not particularly interested in space and you and Lars have enticed me to read many a thing I would have missed otherwise.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I meant
the building was part of a series of buildings. The architecture guy in the Chronicle loves concrete and glass boxes.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Concrete and glass boxes are fine with me, but they run into trouble when they starting trying too hard. It’s not an aesthetic that takes well to embellishment.
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true dat
The Yerba Buena art center is a nice enough variant.
Of course, it’s not like the BAM/PFA that thing is going to replace was any eye candy either.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
seriously
The old De Young had class. The new one looks like somebody had a shoebox bronzed.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I must be in the minority here
I love the new DeYoung. I think it’s a great piece of architecture inside and out. But then, I’m a huge Herzog & de Meuron fan.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I like it.
Looks like a crashed spaceship.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
JOURNALISM MAGIC!
The Newseum in Washington, D.C., makes front pages from all over the world available in one location. I grabbed a link to a jpeg of the Chronicle.
Here’s the Examiner:
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Why is Beltran so selfish
trying to hog the headline for himself.
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she's
obviously not subject to the Giants’ executive committee!
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
So good
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Oh and, for what it's worth
I think the stuff about Neukom being into sabermetrics is complete bullshit – or, at least, it never seemed to show up anywhere tangible.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
No no
Not saying it’s related to the firing. I’m just saying I’m extremely dubious of this point being brought up in post-firing hagiography.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
What role do you think he played in instituting the Field fx technology?
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I heard that long before he was fired.
There was something on tv once where he was being interviewed and talking about metrics, he said something like, “Those guys across the bay get a lot of credit for crunching numbers but we’re crunching numbers over here.”
Of course they could just be crunching RBI and grit scores, but in the context of the piece he was obviously meaning more advanced stuff.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 15, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Sabean said it on several occassions.
But having a guy who crunches numbers and having decision makers who actually using those numbers correctly are two different things.
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Those were actually Alphabits. Nobody had the heart to tell them….
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Sep 15, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah that’s just Page hit ammo.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Sep 15, 2011 8:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean it was sort of vague
It said he had become interested in sabermetrics. Never said he tried to force it on Sabean or force Sabean to hire more sabermetricians in the front office.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Neukom: I... did try to bring up the matter of advanced statistical analysis with Brian. Once.
CUT TO:
INT. SABEAN’S OFFICE – DAY
SABEAN smashes his desk in half, throws his chair across the room.
SABEAN
MATH… BURRRRRN!
Update on Purdy's article
Summary:
WHAT HAPPENED
The disagreement: Sources say tensions between the committee and Neukom grew because of a lack of discussion on fiscal decisions, including how post-championship profit increases were spent.
I like this:
Neukom “will retire from his position effective Dec. 31,” the team said in a news release.
Larry Baer, currently the Giants’ president and chief operating officer, will assume CEO duties, while Neukom will be chairman emeritus in 2012, according to the team.
Potential candidates:
Also, while Baer will serve as CEO, another member of the executive committee could possibly assume the managing general partner position. Likely candidates would include Franklin Templeton Chairman Charles Johnson, former Yahoo President Jeffrey Mallett and petrochemical multimillionaire William Chang. All are Bay Area residents.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mark-purdy/ci_18895752?nclick_check=1
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What the hell do you like about chairman emeritus?
It’s meaningless. He’s selling his shares of the team. He’s out.
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I think it’s hilarious to call someone chairman emeritus…
Wow…you’re a little emotional this morning.
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Nah
You’re just repeating things that have already been discussed at length. If you “like” the chairman emeritus thing. Reply to the 74 other posts discussing the chairman emeritus thing.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Okay.
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it is a placebo- does nothing means nothing but it is supposed to make neukom feel better about being fired.
lol- as a lawyer neukom has seen this kind of “reward” all too often!
it usually means
someone has a desk and a telephone somewhere, and maybe secretarial service.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Now I'm trying to imagine a texas twang and cowboy boots on a dude named "William Chang"
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I drink your iced green tea! I drink it up!
(is this racist? If it is, I am sorry)
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
by rotorueter on Sep 15, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Of course it is!
Green tea is Japanese! Iced oolong tea!
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SUCK IT
Green tea originates from China and has become associated with many cultures in Asia from Japan and South Korea to the Middle East
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Mayor of Smug.
would you consider Bush a petrochemical multimillionaire?
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what is it with you ? you are attacking everything i have said.
and yes bush did work in the oil business
No
All his oil businesses went broke, but because of his family name he kept getting financing to do more. He got rich from his investment in the Rangers, but he only put a small amount of money into it (I think around $1M) and made like 1000% profit on that after he got the taxpayers in Texas to build the club a new stadium.
Really?
I didn’t think he did that bad a job there. The Rangers were a hell of a lot better after he left then they were before he got there.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
didn't he come on
after that silly A-Rod contract?
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Tom Hicks FTW
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What?
No. Bush was the managing GP there in the early 90s. A-Rod was a ranger in the early 2000s.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I was under the impression that the main thing Bush did was use his connections to abuse eminent domain and get the Rangers into their new ballpark. Which was a very good thing for the Rangers. I could be wrong.
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by Johnny Disaster on Sep 15, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
This is correct
It was probably bad for the taxpayers in Texas and especially in Arlington, but from the Rangers’ perspective getting public money poured into your pockets is awesome.
Flight suit fashion modeling.
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Maybe he's just a crafty pitcher in the Gaylord Perry mold.
Vaseline’s a petrochemical.
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Stop being so dated in your Chinese stereotypes.
I’m implying that he’s a 12 year old girl with a forged birth certificate.
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I was terrified by that guy’s name. Now my fears have been allayed.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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naturally, reply fail
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
So much for Swiss banker efficiency
LONDON (AP) — Swiss banking giant UBS said Thursday that a rogue trader has caused it an estimated loss of $2 billion, stunning a beleaguered banking industry that has proven vulnerable to unauthorized trades.
Police in London said they arrested a 31-year-old UBS trader, Kweku Adoboli, in the alleged fraud. UBS declined to confirm his name.
Switzerland’s largest bank warned that it could report a loss for the entire third quarter as a result of the rogue trade, while shares in UBS AG plummeted 8.7 percent to 9.98 francs ($11.41) on the Zurich exchange by mid afternoon.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Police-in-London-arrest-apf-1738541059.html
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Is this place your google reader or something?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Fine...
I will stay on topic for the rest of the morning.
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I lol’ed.
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by can of corn on Sep 15, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Rogue trader is always such an underwhelming phrase
We get these stories about stockbrokers making poor decisions, when I’m hoping for this:
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
is that any good?
I’ve never played WHFRP.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I haven't actually played it
If it’s anything like the Fantasy division’s tabletop, though, probably not. The numbers curve for that shit is weird – like, 1st ed D&D levels of success and failure.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I've seen good mentions of it here and there
but never been induced to try it. The ads in the 90s used to seem interesting, but I don’t know if the current version is like that or (like 3E/4E) has moved more and more towards miniature rules.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Kweku Adoboli?
Didn’t I get an email from him asking for help recovering his tremendous inheritance in Nigeria?
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The $2 Billion UBS Incident: ‘Rogue Trader’ My Ass
In the financial press you’re called a “rogue trader” if you’re some overperspired 28 year-old newbie who bypasses internal audits and quality control to make a disastrous trade that could sink the company. But if you’re a well-groomed 60 year-old CEO who uses his authority to ignore quality control and internal audits in order to make disastrous trades that could sink the company, you get a bailout, a bonus, and heroic treatment in an Andrew Ross Sorkin book.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Matt Taibbi is the jcb9 of Rolling Stone writers.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
He's the man (referring to both).
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Kweku Adobili?
Was it an email phishing scam?
I wonder where he is going?
It’s not the first time someone has suggested the Brewers might soon be looking for a new first baseman. But it’s the clearest indication yet that Prince Fielder will leave Milwaukee this offseason. The free agent-to-be himself publicly conceded that this is likely his final season with the Brewers in an interview with TBS (link at SI.com).
“I’m signed for this year, but being real about it, it is probably the last year,” Fielder told TBS.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Cubs? Cardinals?
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Somewhere Fielder doesn't
I’ll be bold and suggest either Washington or Toronto.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Whoops
I mean “Somewhere Pujols doesn’t”
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
You ruined it.
I thought you were cleverly saying somewhere where Fielder doesn’t have to field.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Toronto would be really entertaining. I think I might start rooting for that possibility.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I would think that Toronto
would want some pitching…their pitching prospects have not panned out as hoped.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It would be a pretty big deal if he ended up signing with another team in their division.
I think GP is on to something with his Washington speculation.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
the Nats are owned by a dozen drunken sailors.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Or the Lerners
Who are among the richest owners in all of MLB
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
rich
does not always equal spendy.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
It does in Washington
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Let's press-gang one of them and give him Neuk's job.
by Lies and Perfidy on Sep 15, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh man, I'd love if we had a crazy rich guy ower
Reyes SS
Sandoval 3B
Pujols LF
Fielder 1B
Posey C
Belt RF
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Payroll: Eleventy billion.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Wait, let's put Beltran in CF
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
That outfield would be pretty loltastic. Maybe we could get MLB to let our outfielders take huge apple baskets out on the field with them.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Sep 15, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
With that outfield
I think they’d need to only use three infielders and use the fourth one as a rover like in softball.
Can't the Giants do a 1994 Niners thing?
Just sign everyone to an one-year deal!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Nope
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Rendon!
Who I still can’t believe they got.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
My favorites in order
Cubs
Nationals
Angels
Dodgers (if this ownership stuff gets settled)
Rangers
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Must be that time of the month out on the porch
Or this could all be part of Baer’s plan to get us to turn on one another and fracture the fanbase.
Anyway, at midday it’s drizzly and gray here in Knoxville. The upside is that the rain is being triggered by a cold front, in whose wake will be cool, dry air. Tomorrow should be a very pleasant day.
I think I’m starting to get over this week’s allergy malaise, just in time for a quantitative cuddling meeting on Friday.
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I certainly did the former.
The latter is a trick, a ruse.
by Grant Brisbee on Sep 15, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Dear Executive Committee Members (preemptive TL;DR)
I am writing this morning because, well, I am a little confused. You see, I just learned that you fired your managing general partner, Bill Neukom. I believe this is the same Bill Neukom you hired back in 2008. At the time, the team was really struggling. They had been dealing with the fallout from the Barry Bonds controversy and were not very good on the field. They had recently signed two big free-agents (Barry Zito and Aaron Rowand) to sizable long-term contracts. The park was no longer full every night after the departure of Bonds, the passing of the All-Star game, and with the expiration of initial season ticket plans in 2007. They had not developed a single great position player in over a decade. Overall, things were pretty bleak.
So along came Bill (who’s not that type at all), and things rapidly turned around. In 2009, the team improved from 72 to 88 wins and remained in the pennant race late into the year. The farm system appeared to improve and we were seeing the rapid development of potential young stars such as Pablo Sandoval and Buster Posey. The team was getting positive reviews for their amateur drafts and the farm system seemed at least stable. They avoided signing bad players to long-term huge contracts, and importantly, they nurtured the core nucleus of tremendous pitching talent and resisted the temptation to go for a quick-fix in trading one or more of these future stars away.
In 2010, the team won the first World Series in its history in San Francisco.
In 2011, the team had high expectations, but was beset by a series of devastating injuries from which they could not recover. Throughout it all, Bill seemed to be doing a fine job. We certainly did not see anything do suggest that he should be fired. Indeed, with all the good things going on around here, it seems rather hard to believe. What did Bill do? We realize that he does not deserve all the credit for the success just as we realize that the people who were around during the dark years before 2008 were not entirely responsible for its failures. But you can certainly understand how we would all want to know that this is about more than him just not doing a good job explaining things to you all, because frankly that seems petulant (and incredibly short-sighted). I am hopeful that you will explain to us that there was something more to this move, because right now as a fan, I am pretty frustrated.
Signed,
Capn (Season ticket holder since 2000)
by capn on Sep 15, 2011 9:31 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I certainly hope
you share this with people that matter.
Where have you gone, Steven Revetria? A bandwagon turns its lonely eyes to you.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
by natteringnabob on Sep 15, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying I dony matter?
/slits wrists
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Sep 15, 2011 9:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Just the kind of letter that deserves a prompt ignore.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
From them. It wasn’t clear in my post, but the intent was to comment on how organizations disdain well-reasoned questioning. Your letter is lovely.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I thought Mets picked up Beltran's remaining payroll.
Purdy’s article made it seem that they were upset about taking on Beltran’s salary. What bugged me is that no one talks about the signing bonus paid to Wheeler. Sure, this is sunken costs but the Mets got a high pick 2 years into his development plus didn’t have to pay his bonus. The impression I get is that the Mets demanded this, which is smart on their end. Anyways, it just bugged me that the article made it seem like the Giants are paying Beltran.
I don't get that from Purdy article at all
It wasn’t necessarily that Neukom authorized his baseball people to spend $22 million on a new contract for first baseman Aubrey Huff, or decided to add millions of dollars more to the payroll by trading for New York Mets outfielder Carlos Beltran in July. It was that the Executive Committee believed Neukom, as part of his fiduciary duties, should have consulted with them about his major decisions. Instead, the Executive Committee members were infuriated when they sometimes learned of Neukom’s decisions through news reports.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
On the upcoming news conference-
A couple of writers from SF area have brought up possible lies at the conference. Not really surprised about this.
So is it fair to say the Giant organization might be not as truthful as an organization could be?
Could we also assume that the writers have access to more of this story than they are repeating?
Is this thing on the interwebz?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
sorry, just saw your post. the good news is you missed nothing! what a waste
by bobble head on Sep 15, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I have never seen a lawyer, a big lawyer, look as uncomfortable as Neukom was at that press conference.
Lots of double talk, pat on the back, but nothing- they gave us no details whatsoever.
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