minor lines, 9/11/11
by steve S on Sep 11, 2011 11:16 PM PDT
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PrintSunday playoff highlights from the Giants' farm: Tommy Joseph and Jarrett Parker each homered twice, Justin Fitzgerald allowed just 1 ER in 7.1 IP, and Chris Heston had 7.0 scoreless IP. Also notable, Chris Dominguez homered.
AA: Richmond defeated Harrisburg 2-1
(completing a three-game sweep in the best-of-five series)
Richmond: RF Francisco Peguero: 2 for 4, GiDP
Richmond: 2B Charlie Culberson: 2 for 4, 2B, SO,GiDP, CS
Richmond: 3B Chris Dominguez: 1 for 3, HR
Richmond: C Jackson Williams: 1 for 2, 2B, BB--1 IBB
Richmond: SP Justin Fitzgerald: 7.1 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 5 K
Richmond: RP Hector Correa: 1.1 IP, 1 BB< 2 K
Dominguez's two-run, two-out HR in the 6th inning scored the Flying Squirrels' only runs. It was his second HR of the series. Peguero and Culberson each had two of the Squirrels' eights hits. Drawing the Squirrels' only walk, albeit an intentional walk, Williams also reached base twice.
Fitzgerald, who had allowed 2+ ER in his last seven starts, had one of his best starts of the year. He threw just 93 pitches (58 strikes) in 7.1 IP. Correa stranded both of his inherited runners in the 8th inning and pitched a scoreless 9th inning for the save.
A+: San Jose defeated Stockton 13-1
(earning a split in the first two games of the best-of-five series)
San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 2 for 5, 2 2B
San Jose: 3B Nick Noonan: 3 for 4, SF, SO, E
San Jose: C Tommy Joseph: 4 for 5, 2 HR, 2 2B
San Jose: RF Jarrett Parker: 2 for 3, 2 HR, BB
San Jose: SP Chris Heston: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K--1 HB
Joseph had one of the biggest games of Giants prospect this year, homering twice and doubling twice. He had 6 RBIs. Parker, who had a HR in the first game of the series, joined Joseph with 2 HRs. With seven hits, Joseph and Noonan combined for almost half of the Giants' sixteen hits. Brown added a couple XBH.
Heston, the Giants' most effective pitcher in the second half, had 7.0 scoreless IP as he made his third straight start without allowing an earned run.
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but is Andrew Susac playing for one of our minor league team and if so how is he doing?Because I think in 2014 we could have a good young core of Posey at 1st, Susac at catcher with joseph or sancheza behind him, pablo at 3rd, belt in LF, and brown in CF
he's not playing this year.
he’ll be down in arizona for instructional league sometime in the next weeks. i think most people assume the FO will start him out in San Jose at the beginning of next season.
I have to add I find it curious that you put susac as posey’s replacement and joseph as the backup. maybe it’s more evident if you watch him in person as i have lately, but tommy joseph is impressing me more and more behind the plate and at it. we don’t even know what susac will do yet…
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 12, 2011 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
According to his twiter feed, Susac will be heading back to Scottsdale sometime this week. BTW, I also have Susac ranked ahead of Joseph at C.
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I think that's kinda cooky
Since Joseph is actually younger than Susac and has some success in pro ball under his belt already.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Yeah, I’m in the cooky line, too. And it’s not like the age difference is tiny: Joseph is 16 months younger, shows a true carrying tool in his power, has handled at least one pitcher with true major league velocity the last couple years (Wheeler) and has a burgeoning defensive reputation. It frankly doesn’t seem that close to me. Susac comes with some questions on both halves of his game.
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by Roger on Sep 12, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I guess it's actually spelled kooky.
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
I was wondering why I got hungry while typing that line.
And now I’m reminded that it seems like a long time since Cookyman’s been around.
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prob mentioned a dozen times but...
Tommy Joseph post All-Star break:
.346/.574/.921 in 256 AB’s….and .301 BA with 22 doubles, 16 HR and 60 RBI…
and he’ll still be 20 y.o. for about half the season next year in AA Richmond….
is he a Top 5 prospect in our system yet?
by repeat_in_2011 on Sep 12, 2011 12:39 AM PDT reply actions
He is for me. I think I’m probably going to have him at #3.
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It’s selective though. Note how I’m not putting Domidingerzz in my top 5!
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FWIW
I believe I’m zeroing in on a Top 5 of:
Brown
Panik
Joseph
Peguero
Surkamp
most likely in that order.
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Frankie Pegs quietly weeps in front of his locker as somebody translates Roger’s rankings for him. He really thought that he had the #2 spot locked up, but Roger spurned him for younger, shinier prospects.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I still love him, still believe he has some starting time in his future for somebody. But that 1.9% walk rate has to get some reaction. I mean I’m not his mother.
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I still have him at #2 in our system
Though I’m more cautious on Joseph
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by Gobroks on Sep 12, 2011 8:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That "though" should be an "and"
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by Gobroks on Sep 12, 2011 8:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I like this Top 5 a lot
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Sep 12, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I would move Panik below Joseph and Frankie Pegs
I think both of those guys have more power and have had success at higher levels (and Joseph is younger, I believe).
Panik moved up in my estimation quite a bit in the last month and it’s really entirely due to my growing believe in his contact and walk rates as carrying tools. While it’s true that both Peguero and Joseph have more power than Panik (and that Joseph is indeed about 1.5 years younger), their power comes with the red flags of poor k/bb ratios. Joseph has more contact troubles than Peguero (and much more power), but Peguero walks much less (although he’s threatening to walk more in the EL post-season than the regular season).
For me their 2, 3, 4, because of these k/bb numbers:
Panik: 25/28
Joseph: 102/29
Peguero: 45/5 (in AA, 53/12 overall).
Panik’s 8.2% k rate and 9.2% bb rate are both important, impressive, and predictive stats.
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I wonder if Peguero is just trolling everyone because the Moneyball movie is coming out soon
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Adrianza: 71/48 in 430 PAs, split between Augusta and San Jose
Jose Flores: Well, at least he tried hard.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that. He also tried hard.
by free f.p. #14 on Sep 12, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
LTP, yeah you know me
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
He's number 2 for me.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Sep 12, 2011 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions
If Joseph was really that good he wouldn’t have hit into the doubleplay in his 1st AB.
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Agreed
.346/.574/.921 is so much less informative than .301/.346/.574. I’m not sure where or why it started, but it needs to stop.
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Started b.c of how MiLB show stats
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by say hey nation on Sep 12, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah, it’s terribly annoying that they do that. I always feel like I’m hunting for the numbers I want on their site.
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Yeah, it makes no sense whatsoever, so I am going to assume someone has a patent on the ave/obp/slg set up.
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by say hey nation on Sep 12, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Can you actually patent something like that? And does that mean that Grant owes them millions of dollars for all our instances of infringement?
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I said that more out of chasm and my disdain for how silly patent laws have become. For example, BRCA1 and BRCA2, the genes linked ti breast and ovarian cancers, were awarded patents. The ACLU sued and won but I’m not sure if Myraid ever countered or not.
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by say hey nation on Sep 12, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Ahh
I too hate how they organize their stats. Not sure what they’re doing.
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oops, sorry….
i just copied from milb.com as others suspected….i’m not much of a statnerd lately…
by repeat_in_2011 on Sep 12, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
My point being, strikeouts and walks are much less subject to random fluctuation than things like home runs and batting average, and thus are more likely to be “real.” Since he hasn’t improved his plate discipline significantly in the second half, I’m going to continue to think of him as a .270/.317/.471 hitter (his full-season line) rather than a .301/.346.574 hitter.
Still a very encouraging season for him, of course.
Good point. You would think that his walks were ever to increase, it would have been in the second half when he was on fire, since pitchers would be hesitant to throw him anything good. I’m not sure if that’s just not a common strategy in A+ ball, if its an indictment on opposing pitchers’ abilities, or if it’s just Tommy being Tommy.
Agree that its been a solid season for him regardless, especially with his defense getting positive notice behind the dish
I always like to think of people as who they were for 6 months rather than 3. Just makes sense. but as you say, a .270/.317/471 season out of a 19 year old Catcher is pretty encouraging year. It will be very interesting to see what happens with the power next year in the EL.
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Well, it was the Cal League, so slightly below league average. Given his home park and age, though, I agree, it’s encouraging.
Right, only 95 wRC+, but his age is the bigger factor to me. As I’ve said before, he was the third youngest player in the Cal League this year. I mean, he’s not Mike Trout, tearing up AA at age 19, but nobody’s calling him the best prospect in baseball.
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While his K/W ratio didn’t improve throughout the year, his reduction of K% from roughly 26% last year to 20% this year is a great improvement. Hopefully this is a sign of better pitch recognition.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Sep 12, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
i thought that was BA/OBP/SLG for a second
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Gary Brown, please be real. Like Timmy, Posey, Cain and Bumgarner real. And be real soon.
Temperance, like Chastity is it's own punishment.
You forgot about our high-AAA affiliate in San Francisco
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
Football is king in VA
The Squirrels played in front of almost 7,000 fans on Friday and Saturday night, but in yesterday’s afternoon game they were competing against the NFL and could only draw a measly 2,800 fans.
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Dom(d)ingerz...
According to the game story in the Richmond paper, Dominguez was jammed and actually broke his bat on the HR that he hit over the LF wall for the game-winner. That’s what I call muscling up.
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Free Bochy!
SJ’s bullpen is awful weak with Dunnington out and Dunning doubtful. If SJ is going to 3-peat for the championship then Bobby Evans needs to promote Brett Bochy for the rest of the playoffs. Augusta is done for the year, so he’s available. Not to mentin that it would be great to see Adam Duvall at DH for SJ.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
We talked with Jake Dunning last night, and he said they still don’t know if he’s going to be able to pitch at all. Does SJ still only have 24 guys on the roster?
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Not if Dunning's out
With no Dunning they’re down to 23. They can also option Jesus Navarro (who isn’t likely to play) to Augusta or the AZL Giants to create a spot for Duvall.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Dunning isn’t on the DL yet, but maybe they’ll decide to put him there to get some help.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
But Dunnington was officially put on the DL last week.
Dumb question but is the current series a 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 5?
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He was? Oh, I totally missed that. Whoops!
3 out of 5. They play in Stockton tonight and tomorrow night, and then back in San Jose on Wednesday, if needed.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Ritzo tweeted it. He said Skeels hadn’t abandoned hope that he still might be available for the championship series, but at his age I’d say just go ahead and shut him down. His arm’s been hurting for a month now.
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Just to be clear, that’s Dunnington that you’re writing about – not Dunning. Dunnington’s spot on the roster was taken by Chris Gloor. One of the reasons that I initially posted that the pen was much weaker.
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That’s right. I’d assume that played into the decision to let Westcott get torched in Game 1. Generally in a post-season start you won’t see a SP stay in there long enough to give up 7 runs — and you sure won’t let him survive a 4 run inning and then keep running him out there. In the end, lack of faith in the pen (or lack of arms to have faith in) cost them Game 1 and lurks as their biggest achilles’ heel for the postseason.
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Oh, I see. Dunnington is on the DL, and I knew that, but Dunning is not. Always with the Jake Dunning/ Jacob Dunnington confusion! I asked Dunning last night if he was still day-to-day, and he said yes. Dunnington was already on the DL once, they reactivated him, and then he went back on again. I agree that they’ll just shut him down.
Poor Craig Westcott. We chatted with him a little last night, and he asked if I came to the game Saturday. I said no, and he said, “good thing you missed it.” :(
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
So, Chris Heston?
Any possibility he ever becomes any kind of prospect?
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
What were the scouting reports on Gary Brown's arm?
I thought I remembered reading that it was average, but last night it looked much better than average. When a team is down by like 9 runs with a runner on second, a base hit to the outfield and they send that runner in to score, that tells me there’s no doubt in there mind that he’ll score. Then when Brown comes up gunning and gets the ball to the catcher before the runner has made it half way home from third, that’s an impressive throw.
The throw Joseph made to the third basemen to get the runner going back was pretty nice too.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Sep 12, 2011 8:22 AM PDT reply actions
That play was amazing. I’ve seen Brown make several throws like that from CF. I like his arm.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
15 assists for the year (16 now), certainly speaks well of his arm. At the very least it seems like he must be accurate with a quick release.
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Taking the Barry Bonds path to outfield arms.
Smart decisions, quick release and accuracy turns an average arm into a plus arm pretty quickly. Add in the speed to get to balls quickly and cut off the alleys and you can see where the reports of plus defense come from.
by BestHyperboleEver on Sep 12, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think “plus arm” goes too far. While Bonds was a plus defender throughout much of his career, he was never rated as having a plus arm, or achieving plus results with his arm. Above-average is almost certainly the best that we can hope for from Brown going forward, but that’s much better then many of the so-called experts led us to believe on draft day.
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I don’t think anybody was suggesting he was Johnny Damon out there. And of course, it’s really not that big a factor, especially for a CF, in the greater context of OF defense. As long as he manages to throw out our version of Sid Bream when the day comes, the rest if gravy.
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Sometimes
It could also imply teams running on said player a lot.
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HEY GUYS!
go vote for GARY! in this poll for minor league player of the year.
or vote for mike trout or whoever you feel like voting for lol
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 12, 2011 11:07 AM PDT reply actions
I don’t know how you could vote for Gary Brown over Trout or Harper.
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by say hey nation on Sep 12, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
/cuts self
MY GOD YOU’RE RIGHT! I must be a Phillies, Angels, 1990’s Texas or a Red Sox fan :(
Now I juts need to figure out how to narrow down that field to one!
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by say hey nation on Sep 12, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Cut deeper
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He's really good! He's an injury risk! But he's really good! But he'll be expensive! But he's really good! But he's an injury risk!
by GiantPain on Sep 12, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Can’t. Must be a shallow/surface fan which would make a Phillies fan.
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by say hey nation on Sep 12, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Not so fast...
…you could also be a Diamondbacks, Astros, Cardinals, or Cincinnati fan. Or a Pirates fan in alternate jersey blood.
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by BruteSentiment on Sep 12, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
i said you could vote for trout if you wanted!
not harper though. kid bugs me… :]
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Sep 12, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
quite a few decent catching prospects now
Susac, Joseph, Hector Sanchez….and even Monell might be worth watching at Fresno next year….have to think at least one of those 4 should be a major contributor in a few years…
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