minor lines, 8/9/11
by steve S on Aug 9, 2011 10:23 PM PDT
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PrintTuesday highlights from the Giants' farm: Brandon Crawford and Chris Dominguez both homered as part of multi-hit games, and Matt Yourkin and Chris Heston combined for 13.0 scoreless IP. Also notable, Eric Sim homered twice.
AAA: Fresno defeated Omaha 4-3 (10 innings)
Fresno: LF-2B Edgar Gonzalez: 2 for 4, BB, SO
Fresno: 1B-LF Brandon Belt: 1 for 4, BB
Fresno: SS Brandon Crawford: 3 for 4, HR
Fresno: SP Matt Yourkin: 7.0 IP, 7 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 WP
Fresno: RP Danny Otero: 0.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER
Omaha: RP Kevin Pucetas: 2.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K
Crawford had three hits, including his 1st PCL HR and his 6th HR of the year overall. Gonzalez had the Grizzlies' only multi-hit line as he also reached base three times. Belt was one of several other Grizzlies to reach base twice.
Yourkin had 7.0 scoreless IP, not allowing a run for the first time in his last ten starts. After two straight starts without a walk, his K/BB ratio is just shy of 3.00. Otero allowed hits to all five batters he faced in the 8th inning. Pucetas, who pitched for the Grizzlies the past two years before being traded to the Royals for Jose Guillen, made his 14th relief appearance among 25 appearances this year. He has a 5.28 ERA.
AA: Richmond lost to Harrisburg 5-4
(allowing three runs in the bottom of the 7th inning)
Richmond: 3B Chris Dominguez: 2 for 4, HR, 2B, SO
Richmond: P Chuck Lofgren: 2 for 3, 2B, SO
Harrisburg: C Derek Norris: 1 for 2, 2B, 2 BB
Richmond: SP Chuck Lofgren: 6.1 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K
Richmond: RP Hector Correa: 1.2 IP, 1 K
Dominguez had his 7th HR and 16th double since being promoted to the upper minors. Lofgren also had two hits. Norris, who began the year as the Nationals' #2 prospect but has had a disappointing year, reached base three times. He's certainly been willing to take a walk as he has more walks than hits (55 H and 62 BB among 257 AB for a .214 AVG and .378 OBP).
Lofgren had his third straight quality start, although this was his least effective start among four starts with Richmond as he had allowed just 1 R in each of his previous starts. Correa had 1.2 perfect IP.
A+: San Jose lost to Bakersfield 3-0
San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 1 for 3, HBP, SO, SB
San Jose: RF Jarrett Parker: 2 for 4, SO
San Jose: SP Chris Heston: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 HB
San Jose: RP Ari Ronick: 1.0 IP, 1 K
Parker had two of the Giants' eight hits (all singles), edging his AVG up to .274. Brown also reached base twice and had his 44th SB.
Heston had 6.0 scoreless IP, lowering his post all-star ERA to 3.81 over eight starts. It was his fourth straight quality start. Ronick pitched a perfect 9th inning, bouncing back from his previous appearance (6 ER in 2.0 IP).
A-: Augusta had a scheduled off-day
(their final off-day of the year)
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost Eugene 13-7
Salem-Keizer: CF Shawn Payne: 2 for 5, 2 2B, SO
Salem-Keizer: SS Joe Panik: 1 for 1, BB, SB
Eugene: CF Donovan Tate: 1 for 2, 3 BB, SF, SB
Salem-Keizer: SP Cameron Lamb: 4.0 IP, 8 H, 9 R, 6 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HR
Payne had his 5th and 6th doubles. Panik reached base in both plate appearances before being replaced defensively in the 6th inning with the Volcanoes trailing 13-2. Tate, whom the Padres drafted third overall two years ago, reached base four times, raising his OBP to .374.
In his eleventh start, Lamb allowed a season-high 9 R, with the 6 ER matching a season-high. His ERA rose above 6.00. For the first time this year, he had fewer ground ball outs than fly ball outs (2/7 GO/FO line).
R: Giants defeated Royals 16-14 (10 innings)
Scottsdale: SS Carter Jurica: 1 for 4, HR, BB, SO
Scottsdale: C Eric Sim: 3 for 5, 2 HR, 2B, 2 SO
Scottsdale: RF Leonardo Fuentes: 2 for 5, HR, 2 SO
Scottsdale: SP Edwin Escobar: 3.1 IP, 7 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 0 K
Scottsdale: RP Derek Law: 1.1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 1 BB--1 WP
Sim had his 3rd and 4th HRs. Fuentes also had his 4th HR. Jurica's 1st AZL HR was his 5th HR this year.
Escaobar had his second straight start allowing 5 ER, raising his ERA to 4.89 after ten starts. Law's ninth pro apperance was his least effective start as a pro as he had previously allowed just 8 H and 2 R in 8.0 IP.
DSL: Giants defeated Phillies 9-3
Dominican: DH Herody Mesa: 0 for 1, 4 BB, SO, SB
Dominican: SP Enmanuel De Jesus: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 5 K
Mesa (20.3 y.o.) walked four times, giving him as many walks as hits (9 H and 9 BB among 41 AB). For the third time in his last four starts, De Jesus (17.7 y.o.) did not allow an earned run.
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Have minor league promotions/ demotions/ player movements affected San Jose?
i’ve seen them as .500 in the past few weeks.
by big logs Johnson on Aug 9, 2011 10:36 PM PDT reply actions
Yes, a lot
They’ve lost their 2 best relievers (Hembree and Correa), their best power hitter (Dominguez), their most productive hitter (Hector Sanchez) and 2 of their best starting pitchers (Wheeler and Lofgren). You can’t lose that many quality guys and expect ot be anywhere near as dominating. Not ot worry though, the Giants always send players up/down/back to SJ in time for their postseason run.
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Not to be a Danny Downer or anything, but does anyone else have a teensy, tinsy concern about Belt’s 22 percent strikeout rate in Fresno and SF this year? I haven’t made up my mind on whether it’s worth worrying about.
No
He hasn’t had any consistent playing time… anywhere.
If he had a high strike out rate in San Jose and Richmond last year, I would be concerned.
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He wasn’t in either San Jose, Richmond, or Fresno long enough to get an accurate reading of anything. The pitchers didn’t get enough of a chance to learn his weaknesses, as they do with players who are in one place for at least a few months.
by flyonthewall on Aug 10, 2011 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve thought it was slightly concerning. Not Brandon Wood red flag concerning, but more he can probably use the minor league ABs to work on this adjustment concerning (he’s still at less than 1000 PA in the minors). But it’s actually been coming down a lot (his first 30 games in AAA it was around 30%) and I thought his ABs in the majors this last time around looked a lot better, so my concern on the issue is certainly diminishing.
He’ll probably strike out at a decent clip as a major leaguer (not Mark Reynolds certainly, but J.T. Snow levels? quite possibly) but his Isos should still be great.
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by Roger on Aug 10, 2011 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would be concerned if his K/BB wasn't almost 1
I think Belt is just a patient hitter who’s going to take a lot of pitches, and sometimes that means he’ll K looking. If I could find swinging/looking strikeout splits I bet he’s got a lot more strikeouts looking than most players. He’ll certainly walk plenty and he has good power and contact skills so the K rate isn’t particularly concerning.
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Power drain
Only 5 players in the entire organization (SF included) with more than 12 HRs:
Pill (23), Eldred (20), Duvall (20), Dominguez (17), Kieschnick (14).
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Belt & Anders
If you look at their HR per AB rates, both Belt and Luke Anders would have around 14 or 15 right now if not for injuries that kept them out of the lineup for 3-4 weeks.
The one guy that is concerning to me is Tommy Boy. LTP is his claim to fame, but, not only is he not hitting for average or OBP, his ISOP is a very pedestrian .157 in the power-happy Cal League. For comparison, slap-hitting Gary Brown has an ISOP of .152. It was nice to see yesterday that Tommy’s D is so well thought of, but his offense has taken a tumble this year. I hope that the Giants keep him in the CAL to start next year.
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Also Panda
He would easily be close to 20 if not for the hamate injury down-time.
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Still not exactly a power packed system is it? I posted this on Bay City Ball yesterday: Giants and their affiliates team OBP and SLG rankings:
SF (out of 16) 16 OBP, 15 SLG
Fresno (out of 16) 12th OBP, 13th SLG
Richmond (out of 12) 12th OBP, 12th SLG
San Jose (out of 10) 7th OBP, 7th SLG
Augusta (out of 14) 11th OBP, 12th SLG
Two words: Yi-ikes!
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Yeah, power is definitely lacking. That’s why I wrote the following line in my pre-draft fanpost:
The Giants need to focus on the 2 P’s in this draft – Power and Pitching. When you look at the Giants farm system, the only legitimate power hitters that jump out at you are 18 year old Chuckie Jones, 19 year old Tommy Joseph, and 45 year old Chris Dominguez and all 3 are at least 2 full seasons away from the majors – not to mention that they all have major contact issues at the plate.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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I’m going to repeat what I say a little further down the queue that it’s encouraging to start to see some power coming out of 18 year old Leonardo Fuentes. He also has some contact issues (naturally), but he’s shown patience last year (not this year), and some power this year. I think there’s reason to believe that he can start growing into his scouting report (tall rangy power) in the next couple of years. I’m encouraged by his season.
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I wouldn't use ISO
IMO, ISO!=power. It’s not a good metric because speedy guys like Brown can inflate their SLG by taking extra bases; you turn a few singles into doubles and doubles into triples and all of a sudden you have a .450 SLG. His college numbers look pretty good from a SLG/ISO perspective too because he got a lot of XBH but not a lot of bombs. ISO is better than SLG for power since SLG gets inflated by BA but that’s the only problem ISO deals with, it doesn’t consider that speed can also inflate SLG and that’s a big factor for Brown.
HR/FB is my preferred metric and if I could find it Joseph’s would assuredly be better; he’s got 12 HR vs. Brown’s 9 and Brown has 8 triples instead of Joseph’s 2. They both have 25 doubles. So the ISO similarity is because Brown’s hitting triples because he’s fast, but Joseph is still a better power guy. TJ still should be hitting more homers but it’s not like he is putting up the same power numbers as Brown, Brown is just fast enough to inflate his SLG (also, his ISO is .150 not .152 but that’s a minor difference). Joseph’s also really cut down on the K’s and had more or less the same meh walk rate. If he really has become a solid defensive catcher I think he’s having a fine season considering he’s 19, though of course there’s always more to want.
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Another problem with ISO is that it doesn’t properly weight the value of a double versus a triple or a home run.
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Dominguez
Notwithstanding his nice line last night, he’s back to “not really a prospect” in my mind. After he got off to a good start in San Jose I’d thought, “Well, maybe…” but I just looked up his Richmond stats: .254/.280/.460 with 51 SOs and just 6 (!) walks in 200 PAs. The power is there, but the plate discipline is, uh, not. I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that no one has ever been a successful hitter in the majors after posting a 3% BB rate and a 25% K rate as a 24-year-old in AA. (As usual, happy to be wrong…)
Hm, my default test case for weird development is typically Nelson Cruz. Let’s see. 24 year old in AA, 25% K rate. Ah, but a much better walk rate (10%). Almost there. How about Fred Lewis. 24 year old in AA. 22% K rate. But of course, Freddie always knew how to take a walk.
Nope, I’m with you. There’s almost no chance Dominguez turns into a successful major leaguer. I do think he’ll get a couple chances, though. He’ll be an up and down a few times guy.
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Chris Davis feels like an interesting comp to me
But he was younger, walked more, and struck out less.
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Although it’s an open question whether Chris Davis qualifies as a “successful major league hitter.”
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Definitely not
Sorry, didn’t realize you were only looking for successful guys. Davis is a guy who’s been undone by his plate discipline in the majors, and he blows Dominguez out of the water in that category.
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DeJesus
Another nice performance from Enmanuel DeJesus yesterday. The 17 year old now has a k/9 of 11.3, an excellent k-bb/pa differential of .170. His walks are a touch high, but as one of the youngest pitchers in the DSL he’s got his career off to a very nice start.
Mejia should go today, for more Dominican lefty goodness.
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Leonardo Fuentes
is starting to show a little of the bat and the power that scouts think could be in there. Now if he can just bring back his walk rate of 11% from his DSL season, and match it with his burgeoning power I think we might be able to see a real prospect in there.
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Demondre Arnold
He isn’t getting enough ink around here. He went all Jernard on the AZL Royals yesterday – giving up only 1 single while getting 2 groundouts and striking out the other half (3) of the hitters he faced. Once again, he was a sea of tranquility in the middle of a game when most of the more experienced, higher-drafted and older Giant pitchers were getting rocked. His ability to step right in and be very effective out of a small JuCo in central Georgia is a very pleasant surprise. He’s been almost as effective as Blackburn in their short careers:
G=11, IP=17.1, WHIP=.92, ERA=1.56, BAA=.193, H=11, K=19, BB=5, K/9=9.9, BB/9=2.6, K/BB=3.8, GO/AO=1.90
The Giants have been able to find a vein of teenaged pitchers this year that not only can strike out hitters at an above-average rate, but are also very stingy with free passes. Arnold, Blackburn, Mejia, Law and Mendoza will be interesting to watch as they mature and work their way up the ladder.
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We’re going to need guys like that in order to maintain our sanity over the coming years what with wild men like Chris Marlowe and Ray Black entering the system.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Agree with everything you said, except I wonder why you put Law in that group. He doesn’t seem to go with the rest of that group: he’ll turn 21 in a few weeks, while most of the rest of those guys are 18.
On another note, one of the older pitchers getting bombed yesterday was Escobar, and I’m thinking the organization’s got to be getting close to the end of their tether with him. He supposedly has great velocity, but he just gets bombed everywhere he goes. He’s young, but he’s not young enough where getting shelled on a consistent basis in Rookie ball isn’t a real bad sign. Sure hope his presence doesn’t take away a rotation spot anywhere from the youngsters you’ve mentioned next season.
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I messed up with Law. I thought he was 19 and ready to turn 20 in Sept., but he’s actually a year older than that. Still, I think that his extreme K and K/BB rates this season deserved to be mentioned (K/9=11.8, K/BB=7.6) along with the actual teenagers.
As for Escobar, I would agree that it would probably be better to move him to a relief role while he works on his stuff. Although, he is still young enough to keep hope alive.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
John Manuel on Surkamp
John Manuel just said the following about Eric Surkamp in a chat on BA.com:
He’s a back-end rotation guy at best, because there aren’t a lot of guys in the major leagues who do it his way, 86-88 mph fastball guy with fringy breaking balls and a good changeup. He’s going to have a pretty slim margin for error, but I’m more of a believer now than I used to be.
The “fringy breaking balls” part of the comment appears to be a brain-fart, because all reports have Surkamp’s breaking ball as the best pitch in his arsenal and a plus-pitch.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I submitted 2 questions – one on Blackburn and one on Osich. Let’s hope we get some answers.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I, too, submitted one on Blackburn (and one on Duvall). Didn’t get either answered (although there sure were a plethora of other guys from DC getting answered today). I did get my questions in a little late though, so I was probably pretty far down the queue.
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