Post-game thread: Giants explode for run, lose again
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 6, 2011 4:02 PM PDT
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PrintWelp.
It's taken a lot of restraint to hold on to the but-last-August-was-awful-too card -- held on that sucker for six whole days -- but it's worth remember that last August, Tim Lincecum was broken, the pitching staff was regressing, and the hitters weren't good enough to stave off the regression. It was a mess. Not quite this kind of mess, but it wasn't pretty. Remembering that last August wasn't fun is worth .001 consolation points. If you collect 10,000 of them, you can trade them in for one of those bamboo finger traps. Good luck.
It's been a while since it's been this embarrassing to watch this team. There was probably a decent-sized faction who watched last night's game and thought, "Yarrr! That fight will put some fire into their bellies!" Yet was there anyone who really believed the Giants were going to score three runs off Cole Hamels? After the Phillies got two in -- with the deciding run coming in on a passed ball -- all of that belly-fire was expressed, and it didn't sound or feel good. Two runs? Man. Might as well have been sixteen.
And we're watching the folly of trading too much for a rental. It still might work out, but right now it's easy to understand that Carlos Beltran is just one man. Even more, he's not magic. He can still hit into an ill-timed double play with the rest of them. There's never going to be a one-man cavalry, not for an offense this poor.
Forget it. Enough about the game. It's time for a philsophical debate. Pablo Sandoval's ninth-inning, two-out home run: would you feel better if it did or didn't happen? On the one hand, another shut-out would be especially embarrassing. Getting shut down by good pitchers is one thing, but not getting one measly hit with runners in scoring position again ... brutal. So Pablo's home run saved the Giants that embarrassment.
On the other hand, now the fielding follies in the first inning look that much worse. All of the missed opportunties, those two-out hits that never came, look horrific in retrospect. With Pablo's home run, it makes the game seem like a just-miss instead of a never-was. And after the cleanup hitter finally got a run, the #5 came up and reminded you just what kind of predicament the Giants were in. That stings a little bit more.
It's not September 29th. The Giants weren't eliminated from contention today. But it's been a humbling series. The Giants aren't really in the Phillies' class. And unless Buster Posey grows a new ankle, Freddie Sanchez grows a new shoulder, and Brandon Belt grows a thick, grey beard, they aren't going to be in the Phillies' class. They just have to hope that they're in the Diamondbacks' class. I'm wondering about that right now.
Doubting it, really. It's a bad stretch -- the worst they've seen in a couple of seasons -- but better to have it now than later. The problem is that there's no guarantee that it will stop. This team really can't hit. Like, really can't hit at all. It's far worse than last year. Feels more like 2009 every day.
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Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Aug 6, 2011 4:05 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
gotta
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http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m94/Tobias_Griffin/WilsonCapTip.gif
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
lol me
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Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
by tobias on Aug 6, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why does he have a tattoo that says DRUG?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 6, 2011 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it says “Bella Abzug”. He’s a real history buff.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It says ‘Free Drugs’.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 6, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
is he still straight edge or w/e?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
or was he ever?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
why did i think he was?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Beltran in the 9th reminds me of an old song...
Lining out softly to Utley
Lining out softly
To Utley
Taking his weak swings
For nothing
Lining out softly
To Utley
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
that song is about Bob Dylan.
Killing me Softly, i mean.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Anyone know Matt Cain’s career W-Welp record?
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:05 PM PDT reply actions
66-70...?
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Aug 6, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Huffster
And Bochy says he likes the way I’ve been swinging the bat.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 6, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Fat Pablo
Thats a good one Aubrey.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 6, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is not funny anymore Huff.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Huff
I don’t care how bad he stinks this season, or how many consecutive times he 4-3’s. I refuse to hate Aubrey.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I dont hate him either
he shouldnt be starting everyday though
but hes swinging the bat well
/bork
THIS
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 6, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously
He needs to go. It’s like he actually tries to make the worst lineup he possibly can. And his only saving grace, his bullpen management, hasn’t been particularly good this year either.
by boonitez on Aug 6, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he tries to make the best lineup
He just has no idea what the hell is going on.
That is cray-z.
Hamels sucks
Couldn’t even shut the Giants out.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Aug 6, 2011 4:06 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
DFA
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
5th starter for us!
GET ON IT SABEZ!
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I would've liked Sandoval's HR better if Cabrera would've let it land before getting the last out
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Aug 6, 2011 4:07 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I blinked and missed the end of the game
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Expanding on a point in the previous thread...
Please don’t talk about “team chemistry” ever again.
“Team Chemistry” is as good as “clutchiness” and “gamertude.”
Intangibles are bullshit. Talent wins games. The Giants have negative collective hitting talent. The pitching talent helps, the hitting talent negates.
Fuck team chemistry.
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Job 1:14-15
Please don’t talk about statistics ever again.
The game is played on the field, not with a calculator.
If a player even slightly alters his mind state it can change the results on the field. If an entire team believes that an addition or subtraction of a player effects the team it can change what we see on the field.
Team chemistry is not measurable, that doesn’t make it real.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see why Beltran would have ruined the chemistry. It sounds like all he’s done since coming over is be the perfect teammate.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Every addition and subtraction changes the chemistry. That’s the point. Doesn’t mean he is upsetting people. But since he arrived the team has not been the same. Hopefully they figure it out and get back on track. Nothing says they can’t. But the results, so far, clearly show a change.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re not winning because they can’t score runs and they’re giving up more runs than usual, not because of some change in chemistry.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
During the current slide (let’s say, since the beginning of the PHI/CIN road trip), they’ve scored more than 4 runs once, while giving up more than 4 runs 6 times.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think that has to do with poor performance, not the addition of one player disrupting “chemistry”.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The pitching has definitely been slipping. That’s the oddest thing about this slide, I think. It exacerbates the RISP woes.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
The pitching has been slipping, which I don’t think has much to do with Beltran.
The bullpen in particular has been bad lately about letting in extra runs.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
With this offense, all it takes is a stretch of less-than-spectacular pitching to set us off on a losing streak.
See: August, 2010
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No margin for error.
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Let's just blame Bochy
and Sabean
I think we’d all be happier with
Torres
Belt
Sandoval
Beltran
PtB
Keppinger
C
Crawford
P
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd work Fontenot in there somewhere
either at SS or at least as part of a platoon at 2B with Keppinger.
Thing A
I agree
But this still is not a productive offense. Better perhaps, but still not good enough. Torres and PtB are not good this year. We all love Belt, and I would love to see him in the everyday lineup, but I have seen nothing to indicate that he would help in any kind of meaningful way. Crawford has gotten large chunks of playing time, and is clearly overmatched by major league pitching. “C” stands for “Crappy”… Beltran has been pretty “meh” so far, and the meter is running. Only 8 weeks left for him to do something that will make us glad we traded for him. Keppinger. …
That leaves Pablo. He is a bona fide hitter. One of the many things I love about Pablo is that his presence truly shames his teammates. Or it should. It reminds all of us that real hitting DOES exist and it CAN inhabit a Giants uniform.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Except PTB has (excluding Beltran) the 2nd highest Wrc+ and wOBA on the Giants, behind Pablo
PTB is not the problem and he should be playing when healthy, except he won’t because Bochy is a dolt.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 6, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I find myself imagining
that J.T. could teach him how to play a competent 1B in about a week or so
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
(PtB, not Bochy)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
On the other hand, if Bochy plays 1st, wouldn't that mean someone else has to manage?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Pete Rose style
player manager.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So you're saying Bochy would bat leadoff every game.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Clean up.
That is where 1B/ catchers belong.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
And bet on the Giants?
Always to win, of course.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
LOUUUUUUUUU
Actually, I for one am much happier with Boch than I would be with Pinella.
Also – looks like PtB play first in the minors, and in his first season on the Phils.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
PTB nothing
Frankly, if I heard that J.T. was starting to train Bonds to play first I’d get a little perky.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
That’s pretty imaginative.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 6, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I said
PtB did play first in the minors, and in his first season on the Phils.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
that IS a productive offense
Burrell has a .339 wOBA. Thats not great but its also come in sporadic playing time and if you accept that most players get better with consistent playing time as most evidence suggests then he’d likely move closer to last year’s .351, if not his career mark of .360.
Torres has also received incredibly inconsistent playing time and if Bochy was as stubborn with Torres’ playing time as he is with Huff’s I’d expect his numbers to get better too. He may approach the 126 wRC+ he posted from ‘09 through ’10 but I think he’d be above average.
Beltran has been “meh” for 10 games but for the close to 100 games before that he was excellent and in the 1600+ games before that in his career he was very, very good. Thats not a spot in the batting order I’m at all concerned about for the next couple months.
Keppinger and Cabrera are lawed hitters, but Cabrera actually hit lefties adequately and Keppinger destroys them (on the year .272/.318/.417 for Cabrera, and.352/.351/.611 for Keppinger) Neither one should probably ever face a RHP but Fontenot’s opposite splits (career .268/.338/.411 vs RHP) means only one of them should have to play vs a RH SP and the other one could be moved down in the order. You should have at least one good offensive middle infielder in the lineup every day.
You must have missed Belt’s minor league stats because they certainly do indicate he would help in a meaningful way.
As long as Posey and Sanchez are out there’s still going to be significant offensive holes at C and one of the middle infield spots every day, but that certainly isn’t a problem that would be unique to the Giants. Eli Whiteside, Cabrera/Keppinger vs RHP or Fontenot vs LHP, and the pitchers spot is a pretty terrible bottom third of the lineup, but most bottom thirds of lineups are bad. The pieces are there for Bochy to put 6 very good hitters on the field every day, he just refuses to use at least 2 or 3 in almost every lineup card he fills out.
Thing A
EXACTLY!
Not saying that the Giants would be a juggernaut, but Bochy is handcuffing the offense with his pulled-out-of-his-empty-cap lineups.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 6, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s true that Burrell should be playing. I’ve been a proponent of this all along. And yes, Burrell could bring a degree of help to the lackluster, moribund offense. I also agree that Torres should be playing every day. But even though I agree that Torres should play every day, I see no evidence to convince me that having consistent playing time will help Torres much more than it has helped Huff. I mainly want Torres to play every day because I think no human should be subjected to repeated viewings of Aaron Rowand playing baseball.
Both Burrell and Torres have dropped significantly from their 2010 levels of performance. That happens in baseball, and here I think it’s a cause of less consistent playing time, more than it’s a result. Like I said, I don’t like it. I wouldn’t have benched/DL’ed either of them, but I don’t think their shelvings happened for no reason.
I also am “fine” with Beltran. I expect he’ll start hitting at some point. His career numbers indicate as much. It is known. I’m just commenting on the fact that so far, Beltran has not hit anywhere near the levels we are hoping for and are needing from him right now. I mean, Beltran is kind of the anti-Zito of Giants’ tenures. Zito will be us like some horrifying baseball version of half-life nuclear waste. Beltran, on the other hand, is with us for all of 58 games. And now 10 of them are gone, without much in the way of production. I’m just saying that with Beltran we can’t really console ourselves with his excellent career numbers and the knowledge that “he’ll get going eventually”. With Beltran in a Giants uniform for only 48 more games, he needs to get going pretty much now, and pretty much every game.
Actually, I have had a gander or two at Belt’s minor league stats. They are indeed impressive. That’s why I’m excited about Belt and why I want him to play in Huff’s place. And yet you must know that MLB has seen countless hitters arrive toting impressive minor league numbers, only to struggle mightily and even fail. I think Belt will eventually be one those who succeeds, but clearly he has struggled this season. And again, I don’t think that’s merely a product of Belt’s not having had consistent playing time. It’s also a product of the fact that becoming a productive major league hitter almost always takes a good bit of time and experience.
There are a lot of things that Belt is still learning in his approach to major league hitting. Belt says so himself. Would he (and the Giants) be better served by getting 4 major league PA’s every day, instead of sitting on the bench, or getting his AB’s in AAA? Absolutely. But everything I’ve seen from Belt so far proves that while Belt is a better choice for the lineup than Huff, he’s still a long way away from being the kind of hitter who contributes in a meaningful way. He will contribute, though. Eventually.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Well yeah, but that’s only because Beltran’s mere presence has caused a great disturbance in the force.
The first six innings are overrated.
Is he a part of the rebel alliance and a traitor?
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Because clearly when there is correlation, there is inevitably causation!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Post hoc ergo propter hoc!
We may not be good, but we sure are slow.
Your team can't fucking hit, that's why they're losing
It has nothing to do with Beltran being a cancer
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
You're accusing him of somehow "changing" and therefore disrupting the team's chemistry
There is no hope.... there is no future....there is only GRISSIONZ
The 2011 Mets- Rock bottom: We haven't reached it yet
That's a far leap to "cancer"...Bro.
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I don't feel like the team's overall offensive production has changed that much
In terms of baserunners, that is. But they’re not getting hits at the right times, which speaks more to how lucky they’ve been for earlier season stretches.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 6, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
So Keppinger didn’t change the good to bad, Beltran did? And then Cabrera came along and DIDN’T affect the Beltran changed chemistry, and that’s why Rowand, Whiteside, Cabrera, Huff, Torres, Schierholtz, and the pitching suck, ort have blown up, or are slumping, or are not performing to their potential?
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When did I say good to bad? Why don’t you read what I actually wrote?
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran changed the team chemistry → The Giants have their worst stretch in a long time…
Do you see how that can be taken to mean the team chemistry is now bad as a result of the change initiated by the Beltran deal.
I apologize if I misinterpreted your point.
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I can see that. I should be more clear.
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You are a special woman. I wish my ex-wife had your attitude.
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what
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It is rare for somebody to take responsibility for their message to be a little cryptic. My ex was really bad at this and I was never trained in mind-reading.
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that's not what i was what-ing
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It’s the logo for my favorite band. hehe
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re not serious, are you?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Just in case you're not
The Giants are losing because they’re not a good team. They’re not a good team because they don’t score runs.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
If an entire team believes that an addition or subtraction of a player effects the team it can change what we see on the field.
Pardon, I’m not trying to be an asshole, I just am too ignorant to find a better word…BULLSHIT.
A team can get along better than any other and not win at all. Been on that team before. A team can have all the want and gumption, but if the talent is not there, wins don’t happen.
Intangibles are crap.
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This has nothing to do with whether they get along.
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
that 2002 team was really a buddy buddy bunch, weren't they?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
What does this have to do with anything?
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
it has the exact same amount to do with things as team chemistry does with this losing streak
The first six innings are overrated.
Exactly
A good team with bad chemistry is still a good team. Aubrey Huff has sucked all year, the team at the start of the year was essentially the same as the one that won the WS. Chemistry is not causing the players to play worse. The fact that only 2 of the hitters are any good is causing the team to score few runs, and the pitching is going through a slump just like they did a year ago. There is nothing special about the addition of Beltran or Cabrera that magically caused the Giants to start playing worse.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I said this is a different team. This is indisputable.
The results we see on the field are different, too.
My argument is that the addition of Beltran changed the team and so far it has been for the worse.
I have not said he is a bad guy. I have not said he disrupted the clubhouse.
Baseball is a strange game the best talent does not always win. It is a huge advantage to have more talent but not everything is quantifiable (Matt Cain)
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Cain
has been a quantifiably good pitcher for quite some time.
You’re not just making observations, you’re tying them together in a way that suggests you believe that the change in the team is related to the decline in play quality. If you don’t actually believe this, I’d suggest you stop writing comments that suggest you do. If you DO believe it, I suggest you spend some time in the logical fallacies section of TVTropes, specifically “False Cause”
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
My argument is that the addition of Beltran changed the team and so far it has been for the worse.
Arguing that Beltran is the impetus for the change of the team for the worse is BEYOND SILLY.
What we are seeing right now is, unfortunately, a bad stretch that was bound to happen when you have a team with such a low margin for error. It will not be this bad for the rest of the season, but unless we make some changes that will improve our hitting (not chemistry, not anything else) we will continue to struggle.
So you have a few choices to try to improve the offense. Some of them involve Aubrey Huff, others involve flip flops in the order.
1) Ride out Huff and hope he does whatever the opposite of regressing to the mean is (progressing to the mean?)
2) Bench Huff and go with DeRosa (not advisable IMO, DeRosa doesn’t seem like he’d do much better)
3) Bench Huff and go with Belt (I wish. His OBP is higher than Huff and in his last five starts his statline was .313/.357/.517)
4) GET O-CAB out of the fifth spot. OBP below .300 SLUG not near .400 belongs no where near the fifth spot. Even a slumping Ross or Schierholtz is a better option.
Go Bears!
They need to put up his picture in the dugout for good luck
Didn’t it work last year?
Life is so much sweeter ever since TGWTWS
So much this
I can’t think of a more baseless and ridiculous argument. Even if Beltran was a complete dick it would be stupid to talk about team chemistry as the problem. The giants teams of the early 2000s were anchored by several enormous dicks and it didn’t seem to prevent them from winning games.
The first six innings are overrated.
In fact, that may be the problem...
The 2011 Giants, though a team obviously rich in gritty veteran gamerness, apparently lack for the enormous dick necessary to post an OPS of 1.143.
We may not be good, but we sure are slow.
WIN!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. Stolen 6/11/11.
Job 1:14-15
Repost from previous thread:
Beltran will catch fire at some point. There are many games remaining. This is an unbelievably tough stretch for the Giants…. They got through the season’s first crucible by some manner of witchcraft; it’s not unbelievable that they’re faltering now. We are in the dog days of summer. Hold fast. There is time for hope. The Phillies are a great ball club, and they are worthy adversaries. Allow patience and be certain that there are further battles to be fought.
The Giants will have another winning streak, and there shall be excitement in September. Bank on it.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
They got through the season’s first crucible by some manner of witchcraft
That comment is nothing short of awesome. Well done.
The Giants will have another winning streak, and there shall be excitement in September. Bank on it.
As a Giants fan, I am.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Is it possible that both statistics and chemistry exist?
Is it possible that both can help explain why teams succeed and fail?
I mean, I’m definitely in the line that believes that statistics and actual talent provide the more consistently meaningful explanations for success and failure in MLB. But I just can’t buy the idea of completely throwing out the vagaries of human behavior as part of that equation. If you’ve ever played sports at a high level—heck, if you’ve ever done anything that demanded your best levels of concentration and effort—I think you can understand that hitting, or pitching, or fielding a baseball in a major league game are not simple, purely physical acts.
“Chemistry” is a word that probably encompasses a lot of stuff for a lot of people, and some of those things are probably nonsense. But “focus” and “determination” are not givens with human beings—not even with professional baseball players. I think professionals in all fields work hard to maintain their focus and determination, and the degree to which they succeed in that effort has a lot to do with how successful they are in their respective fields. We can be talking about an airline pilot, a surgeon, a fireman, or a baseball player. But with the first three professions, study and training produce the higher percentages of routine actions that they can “do in their sleep”. The first three professions have much higher percentages of expected successes in what they do. Yet even they need to show up for work focused and determined to do their jobs well.
Baseball players—particularly hitters—have high percentages of expected failure, even when fully focused. Pitchers need to concentrate on “not making mistakes”. The mental aspect of the game is incredibly important to each. And focus and determination are key components of that mental aspect.
Maybe this is all tangential. Maybe you guys are just talking about, “How is the team getting along with each other now that Beltran is in the clubhouse? Do they still like each other? Do they want to win for each other?” If that’s what the whole chemistry debate is about, then I’m not sure if I buy into chemistry either. Then again, I can see where bringing in a key player who’s kind of into himself, and is just passing through can impact the social dynamic of the team’s focus overall. And that can have some impact on individuals’ focus and determination. Then again, again… I don’t really see any evidence that Beltran is a “bad teammate”, and that he’s having a negative impact on team chemistry.
Bottom line, where the Giants lack of offense is concerned… I think the explanation is probably about 8 parts talent and 2 parts intangibles.
HOW’S THAT FOR A STAT?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
could we get 16 parts of talent and four of intangibles?
Double the offense!
Chuckie Jones: soon to make Salem-Keizer look like Child's Play.
Certainly “bad actors” can affect teams in other sports- Rasheed Wallace Ron Artest and, hell, Kobe or Lebon in basketball and TO or Jay Cutler in football— but it’s hard for one player to really throw things off in baseball (see Barry Lamar Bonds) as there’s too many people involved. I’d say maybe “clubhouse atmosphere” might play more of a factor for what it’s worth as by all accounts, the Giants have a great atmosphere (something Bochy should get credit for and something Dusty made his reputation on) and that could worth something. Giants have shown remarkable ability to bounce back after Posey and Freddy went down or after bad losses and maybe that’s why. I’d also imagine that the Dodgers “clubhouse atmosphere” is pretty crappy right now and not helping.
Of course, talent has a lot to do with that and winning makes people happy but just like everyone enjoys going into work when they enjoy the place the work in, I’d imagine it’s the same with athletes. But whether or not Beltran shifted the clubhouse atmosphere I see no reason why he would as all accounts are is that he’s been great. My guess is that he’s still pressing and came aboard just when the team decided to suck.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Pence
He has certainly improved the Phillies team chemistry,,,and his twitter is kinda funny
"Another good game!....Cole Hamels #beastmode. Time to Head for dinner. #letsgoeat"
his new catch phrase in Philly is “Good Game…Let’s Go Eat.” What’s Beltran’s new catchphrase? LOL
Alas won't be going tomorrow but
Timmy has done well against Oswalt in the past, but the offense … what to do, what to do?
McCoven: A Heinous CircleJerk
Proud Parent of Adopted Giant: Crazy Crab
I read their lips on that mound conference in the eighth.
Coach: go ahead run at the plate
Hamels: LOL. It’s Rowand!
Coach: I know. I was trying to be funny. Try to keep a straight face when you pitch to him.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
by rxmeister on Aug 6, 2011 4:09 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Hamels was throwing an 86mph FB in the 9th and was wild…Giants could’ve came back…
My friend (who is a Phillies fan) was wondering why they didn’t have anybody warming up in the eighth and I told him probably because the Giants suck too much to have Manuel worried. It’s exasperating when a rally starts and you look up and you see Rowand/Cabrera/Huff come up because you just know there goes that. And that’s what happened
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
obviously it's Cain's fault
he didn’t pitch a shutout so he deserved to lose
Ignoring Tim Mccarver since 2002.
by bumgarner on Aug 6, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
He kept the guys on the field too long.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant jinxed us when he predicted 4 runs.
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
We are at 3 so far
Means 1 more tomorrow and Timmy needs a shutout.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Every time Beltran gets a hit
I’m going to hear a little voice screaming, “I’m just one man!”
I keep wondering how this team has ever one a game ever
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
LOL
When I was in college, in a weird, Oliver Sachs-type situation, the part of my brain that handles homonyms just plain crapped out. It amazes me when I notice what I wrote some times.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Spaceballs Update:
LOL butt cheek shields!
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:19 PM PDT reply actions
Whitey
Whiteside is beginning to wear on me…it’s his defense more than his offense…when he makes a mental or physical mistake he continues to wear it…the time he tried to convince the ump he caught a swing and miss third strike, and argued with the ump, instead of throwing to 1B…ended up costing the Giants a run…bumping into Cain on the infield popup, allowing the ball to drop, then moping away with his head down, instead of hustling after the ball…runner goes to 2B on the play, costing the Giants a run….he is a passball waiting to happen…today it costs the Giants the deciding run in the game…there are not a lot of answers out there for Catcher…something has to change…
Why do opposing managers even bother with 3B’s and SS’s against Huff? Put them ALL on the right side.
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
or have the rest of the team take a break and sit for a few minutes. They could wheel out chaise lounges and everybody can catch some rays
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
omg
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not even hitting the ball far at all. Roughly 15 balls over 350 feet.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 6, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody should make sure Sabean and Bochy see this!!!!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. Stolen 6/11/11.
Job 1:14-15
They would be scrutinizing it with puzzled looks on their faces for fifteen minutes before Baer came in and said, "You know, you have that upside down".
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 7, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Jesus.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
What site generated this?
I am curious to look at what other hitters do.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That is unbelievablely sad.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Wow, Juan Nicasio’s injury sounds really serious
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Looked like it hit him right on his temple…
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently he broke a vertebrae in his neck.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I bet that was actually from hitting his head on the mound. Did you notice that? Check out the replay.
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think I want to see it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
As is the case with a lot of neck injuries, it didn’t look all that bad. It really doesn’t take much. Scary.
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Breaking?
I wasn’t on McC much last night.
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Aug 6, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
. Rockies head athletic trainer Keith Dugger said he is not sure if the neck fracture occurred when the ball hit him in the head, from the speed of his neck rotation after impact or when he landed face-first on the mound. Dugger also said he had not seen a C-1 vertebrae injury in baseball.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Team physician Dr. Allen Schreiber added: “He has every reasonable chance to come back and be like he was.”
Chuckie Jones: soon to make Salem-Keizer look like Child's Play.
I wonder though
if it will affect him psychologically – fear of the ball.
Horrible freaky injury.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
FWIW, I think Kuroda took a ball to the face early in his Dodger career.
And he seems to have recovered from that, his freaky belief that the Dodgers might win the World Series this year notwithstanding.
So it’s not a sure thing either way.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Guys have come back from it before.
Tyler Colvin has not seemed to be doing too good a job for the Cubs this year coming back from being impaled by a broken bat late last year though …
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
His freaky belief that the Dodgers might win the World Series is proof that the ball to the face has caused brain damage.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 7, 2011 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Against better judgment
I just watched a replay of the Nicasio injury, holy shit.
Hope he gets well soon.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 6, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Best wishes for the lad. Tough break.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I don't really get all this
It’s not like anyone was particularly stoked he was gone in the first place. And it’s not like he’d be making any difference right now or even next year. And it’s also not like we can definitively say Beltran wasn’t worth it yet.
You're right
I am just grumpy that they traded Wheeler. I was against the Beltran trade before it happened.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
I'm in the same boat
I like Beltran and think the Giants are a better team with him, I just never thought the 2+ months of his service this year was worth Wheeler.
The only defense of this trade I’ve heard is the “Giants management has a pretty good track record at knowing which pitchers not to trade”. The thing is that are we sure that the Giants traded Wheeler because they were down on him or because they felt pressure to get Beltran at any cost?
The upgrade
of Belt over Huff of a month ago would have been, I assert, a larger boost than the upgrade of Beltran over Schierholtz
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
YOU ARE CORRECT and should be GM
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 7, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Jesus?
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
They could use
a miracle
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I shall now turn these 27 ABs into 5 runs (20 park adjusted)
Presto! The baseball lives of the 500 here are nourished.
well
you’ve already lost the company 99 dollars
by PocketfullofPoseys on Aug 6, 2011 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
What is, “people who shouldn’t write books about hitting”?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 9:27 PM PDT up reply actions
It's just some kind of pyramid scam!
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 7, 2011 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Does that say "nitro zone"?
I don’t know what this is, but I’m pretty sure I had a nitro zone deficiency in my swing, thus my inability to make the high school team.
by wewannahitter on Aug 7, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I like good pitchers.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
So you ask me "Do you miss Wheeler"
I say no, and you say “Well I do!”
Why not just say upfront “I MISS WHEELER OMG”.
I’m a bitter, bitter man.
Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
He meant nothing to me. I don’t miss him.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
That’s not what he tells me you used to say.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
YOU’RE BREAKING MY HEART, ZACHANI!!!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
/questions your sexuality
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
YOU’RE BREAKING MY HEART, ZUCCHINI!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I miss him right now
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
It's Posey time!!
My Adopted Squirrel: Heath Hembree
Plus I bet he could still post a +.300 OBP. I wonder if anyone has done any projections for him to see how he would play this year. It’d be pretty interesting to see.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
It's Posey time!!
My Adopted Squirrel: Heath Hembree
73!
That’s Bonds admiring it as it leaves the yard.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Off that awesome Eephus pitch. Ball left the top of the screen before it broke back down.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 7, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Winning = Chemistry
Giants won the World Series because they got hot.
The problem is that winning clubhouses get highlighted. How do we know the Mariners don’t have team chemistry?
You’re telling me that when the Yankees sign Hanley Ramirez in 2 years and the Yankees players can’t stand him, it’ll stop them from winning?
Look at the Phillies
Roy Halladay, Cliff, Lee, Roy Oswalt, and Hunter Pence all acquired via trade. All made their impact right off the bat.
Guess they just had no effect on the “team chemistry”
I always believed it was the “feel good” intangible things they brough that made an impact. I don’t believe their “on field production” was the reason.
I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman
by 49ersFootball...Torture! on Aug 6, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Thomas Neal on deck!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
HBP
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Ever since Nate and Ross started sucking, I’ve feared that if Belt gets recalled and plays everyday, it will be to replace them instead of Huff. Bochy is a really stubborn son of a bitch.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 6, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Truth
Bochy is a really stubborn son of a bitch.
Bruce Bochy is the antithesis to all of the instant gratification kneejerks. The man seems to be incredibly old school and have an immeasurable amount of patience. Sometimes it works (see: Renteria, Edgar) and somtimes it doesn’t. (see: Huff, Aubrey)
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing about Bochy is...
If one of his ploys happens to work ONCE, he goes back to the well indefinitely no matter how many times it fails thereafter. See Huff, A. or Rowand, A. or Renteria, E. (substituted fr this year by Tejada, M.; I’m pretty sure Bochy couldn’t separate those 2 in a lineup).
But if he deviates from the “book” and it fails just ONCE, he abandons it forever. See Belt, B.
Remember the preseason?
When everyone was healthy and we were hitting? And we had one of the best records? We’ll get Buster and Mole back, leave Belt in Fresno, and we’ll be back up there again next year.
Torres/Ross CF
Keppinger 2B
Beltran RF
Sandoval 3B
Belt 1B
Burrell LF
Fontenot SS
Whiteside C
is a solid offense. Why can’t we have that?
by kingofthacove on Aug 6, 2011 4:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
And the only person Bochy would have to worry about “disrespecting” is Huff. I agree that he’s earned some patience after what he did for the team last year, but it seems like even he is resigned to the fact that he doesn’t deserve to play given his performance thus far.
by kingofthacove on Aug 6, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes.
I would consider Belt (and his young legs) in LF and Burrell at 1B, though
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LOLKNBR
someone just said to drop beltran down in the order and bat LOLHUFF
Everyone knows that 1st baseman bat third. It’s the rule!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
LOL @ Bochy's presser yesterday.
He talked about positions on the field and how they correlated to positions in the batting order, i.e., “Well, the CF will bat leadoff, LF must bat 6th…”
It was mind-numbing. There was no reference, nay even a thought, about the actual players playing these positions. Shit, if Whiteside had to play CF in an emergency situation, that dope would have WHitey leading off.
Wait...
Wat?
Is there anywhere to see/hear these insights of genius?
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Back from the game
Got seats really close. Like really, really, sitting five rows behind Larry Baer close. I could see everyone’s faces when they were coming off the field and Matt Cain’s stoic walk-off the mound walk is a thing of beauty. His wife was sitting near me with Baby Cain but I missed her when she walked by and spent half the game trying to find her again.
Anyways-
Pablo just biffed that play at third in the first. He dropped the ball his eyes got a little too big for him. Even worse, the runner was so nailed, Pablo could have picked it up again and still gotten him out.
Which led to the passed ball which sucked and I’m pretty sure Eli went to the mound afterwards to apologize as I saw his head down when walked there and there was some butt slapping afterwards. I wonder if that happens after every Cain game- the offense stands in line and personally apologizes to him
-Rowand’s batting stance and batting circle preparations from the back and from that close are almost obscene. Won’t say what’s going on but it appears that he uses his butt as his center of gravity
-Baer held court all game and just had people come by to say hi and thank him for everything. Once when he walked by and after another Huff groundout, I told my friend I should ask him how Belt’s doing but I chickened out.
-Fontenot had his hair slicked back and from my vantage point, looked like Jaime Lancaster
-Watching them lose at the park is even more soul sucking on TV because of the crowd. It’s like everybody came for a big, huge party and the hosts forgot the booze.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 4:52 PM PDT reply actions
sorry, don’t know why I crossed half of that stuff out
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the erudite Jaime Lancaster mix up.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Oh god so sunburned
I somehow forgot that me and the sun don’t get along.
The first six innings are overrated.
MeLOLanoma
Wear sunscreen next time!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
SERIOUS
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
MeLOLanoma
I heard he’s pretty good at 1B. Short compact swing, with average power.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
He's a clubhouse cancer
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 7, 2011 12:19 AM PDT up reply actions
weather.com said it would be in the low 60’s and cloudy at the ballpark. It was not
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean
Lincecum n Cain and pray for rain.
Interesting stat.
Almost every single regular Giants position player has approximately twice as many K’s as Walks. The only 2 exceptions are Beltran and Keppinger. It will be interesting if they begin to slide that way after some time here. Is it an organizational philosophy? You could see it if there were a bunch Dave Kingmans hitting 40+ bombs a year, but this team is a bunch of bloop hitters.
My big fellows, my Giants!
If you want to be in first place, say Bye, Bye Baby!
Yeah
Beltran
K:BB (w/Giants) 8:1
(w/Mets) 61:60
It’s like there is a fungus in the locker room that you catch when you play here. I mean, in all seriousness, SSS, but still…..WTF.
Huff was 83:91 last year, but he seems to be unable to take pitches this year.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
the Grizzlies game just started. I am more excited about it than I should be.
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
Yup
They are almost my biggest source of baseball interest right now
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
From out of the shadows
I’ve been lurking here for awhile and I finally have to speak up after being so annoyed after these games. I can’t stand Philly (all of their teams annoy the hell out of me), but they simply have the better team this year. I’ve lowered my expectations for the Giants this year and it really helps, because when they suck – I expect it. When they get on a roll it is like finding a $20 bill on the street.
I take heart in the fact that the Giants are still a team on the rise. The Phillies are not. They have to win now because key parts will be disappearing before long. Their otherworldly pitching is approaching its sunset, they have traded the farm this year for Pence, and they have some key hitting pieces getting older too.
I know there are no guarantees and the Giants could lose key parts as well, but I like that it feels like we are still the shiny, new kid stepping onto the stage to show the old man the door. Last year was so unexpected it made it all that much greater to have the Phillies look across the field at the Giants and realize that they got their ass handed to them by the bratty new kid. Maybe it is their year this year, but I like our chances down the road.
nah we are winning it all this year
We are going to Grit all over the Phillies.
Who the fuck knows, we might not even play them, someone else might beat them.
by Anonymous1337 on Aug 6, 2011 5:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yeah
like Arizona, at this rate.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd say the odds are better for
Atlanta than the Giants.
In fact, I think it is 50-50 on the Giants making the playoffs at all. This is not something I’ve just been thinking since the current bad streak, I felt this way even when they had their 4 game lead over the D-Backs.
Never.
One will be a Yank and the other a Red Sox/ National/ Phil.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 7, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
they were the better team last year, too
pround son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Today might be a good one for Chrono Trigger. It has been too long.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Yup. My life has been so frazzled for the past few months, I figure a simple pleasure is in order.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
This is the first weekend I’ve been able to relax in I don’t know how long.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
<3 chrono trigger
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wait… I’m confused. Bochy benched Nate just like so many of you were howling for. So… how come the Giants still aren’t scoring?
Over
People were howling for Nate to be benched??
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I doubt anyone was in favor of benching Nate for Rowand.
by kingofthacove on Aug 6, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
who was howling for nate to be benched?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Last post game thread i popped into I was arguing with a few guys who said that Nate was a bad hitter who had a just hot streak and now that he has reverted to normal he should be back on the bench where he belongs.
Over
by cybermaldonado on Aug 6, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, so “many of you” actually means “that guy I argued with”.
You need to sharpen up that word choice.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
If we keep losing
will we bench Huff?
Is there any chance any more that Belt comes up?
Huff was BOO’d today! How much of that is it going to take?
Go Bears!
Belt starts the moment the Giants get eliminated (if they do). Til then, they’re riding Huff as far as that 4-3 groundout can take them
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Sad but true
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
If Belt comes back, some decisions must be made on the 25 man because Burrell and Tejada are due to come off the DL soon.
No one here gets out alive.
Probably not. But lets say you DFA Tejada. You want Burrell and Belt on the team now. Who goes? I guess they could make up a fake injury for Huff and Rownad or Nate.
No one here gets out alive.
to me derosa still looks hurt
and as each day that he doesnt play or pinch hit its getting more and more suspicious
he’s getting by on pure grit right now
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
at this point he’s the Black Knight in the Holy Grail. “It’s only a tendon!”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
DeRosa swings…wrist/hand, still gripping bat, flies into stands.
Groeschner: Mark, your wrist/hand is off.
DeRo: Not it’s not.
Groeschner: You haven’t a hand, DeRo. It flew into the stands and smacked a pissed-off looking kid.
DeRo: Have at thee!
Grosechner: What are gonna do, hit me towards the second baseman? You’re no Aubrey Huff.
“…Brandon Belt grows a thick, grey beard…” i would have laughed at this if i’m not so pissed off right now…guess i’ll just go out and buy that game of thrones book and read… maybe it’ll calm me down…
by InTimmy'sArms on Aug 6, 2011 5:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
more importantly (for me at least)
if belt comes up either before rosters expand or when they do, and if we make the playoffs (thats looking like a big if at the moment) does belt make the postseason roster?
Gamer the Gray from Half Moon Bay
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
Fresno Announcer
“First threat of the night for Iowa…well I guess it’s hard to have a threat when you get retired in order two innings in a row”
"There's never going to be a one-man cavalry"
Barry Bonds was. Can we re-sign that guy to play first base right now?
I still think they should sign him to be a PH. He can’t come in the clubhouse though. They’ll give him a call when they need him to hit.
That is cray-z.
How about a BLB spotlight?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 6, 2011 5:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm past the stage of being demoralized
At this point, I’m just going to enjoy the ride and if they make the postseason, well then, awesome.
Saddest thing at the Giants Dugout store?
A signed Ryan Garko jersey for a little over $300.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:56 PM PDT reply actions
Brandon Belt double to deep right field.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
guess the other team hasn’t found the hole in his swing
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
who needs him
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The kid almost singlehandedly wins a game against the hated Dodgers, hits the bench, gets a couple of spot starts and then is banished to AAA to hit doubles to deep right field.
I miss you Brandon. A lot.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You left out the part where he broke his wrist.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 6, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
He had his chance to eat more calcium.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
I didn’t. I am talking about his second tour of duty.
He broke his wrist on May 31st.
He homered and had the game winning hit against the Dodgers on July 20th, then got a couple of spot starts, hit the bench and was banished to AAA to hit doubles to deep right field.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too.
Forgetting the stats for second, he brought energy to every at-bat. That HAS to have some effect on the play of the other players.
Huff doesn’t attack his at-bats, he endures them.
It's really, really frustrating
to see the pitchers kick so much ass and the hitting to continue to be subpar, WHEN THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY BETTER ALTERNATIVES that are already employed by this organization to take the place of the fucktards.
sigh
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
Welcome to the Yiyants, Carlos!
If you start attending the church of chemistry...
…you end up with a team full of Zito.
Stop. Yes a winning attitude helps but a 2 week skid isn’t the end of the season when it happens in July/August.
If you start attending the church of chemistry…
…you end up with a team full of Zito.
LOL. I am not sure if you are a madman or a genius.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
It doesn't hurt anymore
Just an annoying numbness
We need a freaking easy team to beat the crap outta and get some mojo back. Right now we just letting Phillies pummel us.
Time to repeat in '11!
Belt just poped up to 3rd in foul teritory
HE’S READY
Shake the rookie title.
Then he will be ready.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Joe Saunders LHP
Is 2 for 2. Too bad, we couldn’t have traded for him so he could play 1B on the days he isn’t pitching.
(2-2 Dodgers/DBacks B5)
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 6:41 PM PDT reply actions
Rod Barajas is also 2-2, though.
3-2 Dodgers now, however!
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I met Saunders
Kind of a tool.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Was slated for a signing.
Showed up 2 hours late, looked hung over, and didn’t even acknowledge the people as they told him they were fans.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions
On the subject of superhero movie production photos I was underwhelmed by...
Henry Cavill as Superman.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
That one I’m probably a little biased against, though.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Henry Cavill is very attractive but Superman isn't British
and neither is Spiderman. What is the deal with the British invasion with regard to superheroes?
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
Welcome to the Yiyants, Carlos!
He actually doesn’t look bad in the suit or anything. I just don’t believe that they’re making a Superman movie. It’s a movie with a really strong alien who flies around and wears a blue suit with a big S on it, but it’s not actually Superman.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the only one I've seen
And it doesn’t even look like him. I hate how the S looks.
http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/i/2011/08/04/man_of_steel_510.jpg
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Yeah, that’s the one. Monochrome. Gritty. Humbug.
And it’s Zack Snyder, so it’s safe to assume that what looks like a photo there is actually a video in infinite-slow motion.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve talked about my reservations about the possibility of a Nolan/Snyder Superman on here before. The quote:
Fundamentally, I don’t think that Superman is a gritty superhero. He’s not a monochromatic superhero. He’s a fantasy. He’s Captain America from another planet and infuckingvincible. He’s techniocolor. He’s a guy whose costume is a curl of hair on his forehead. He’s a piece of a place called Smallville making it big in a place called Metropolis. He’s a wonderful fantasy. He’s a bastion of hope. He’s wide-eyed America at its best. A pure moral compass protecting a fundamentally good world.
I stand by a lot of that. And it’s only one production photo, but at the very least it seems to suggest monochrome.
I certainly hope they make a good Superman movie, though. He just seems like such an un-Nolan/Snyder kind of a character.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hated the last Superman movie so I’m very meh on this one so far.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I really liked the last one. It was kind of a beautiful love letter to the Donner/Reeves era of Superman. Spacey gave an incredibly lazy performance, and Lois was a bit hard to watch, but I really liked the movie overall, and I thought Brandon Routh was basically perfect.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Routh was great.
I felt it was about Louis more then it should have been and also…… HOW DID HE LIFT A GIANT ISLAND OF KRYPTONITE INTO SPACE WITH IT POKING IN HIS FACE WHEN ONE TINY SHARD MAKES HIM WEAK AND GETS BEAT UP BY KUMAR!!!!!!!????!!!!!!!!!!!
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It wasn’t pure! And it did nearly kill him.
That’s all I’ve got.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 6, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
/signs superman to 5/60
/trades for kryptonite
/badchemistry
by Hyoton on Aug 6, 2011 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm fucking sick of WB handling DC properties
Putting Zack Snyder on Superman was the ultimate illustration that these guys are clueless. I’m just going to ignore anything not in Nolan’s Batverse at this point and be better for it.
And you're totally right on Supes
All-Star Superman should have been the blueprint for the movie, but it seems they’d rather ignore the character’s strengths and try to shoehorn him into the grim and gritty mold.
Henry Cavill is like the epitome of attractiveness
but he doesn’t seem like Superman.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
why did they give Waldis Joaquin an bat in the Grizzlies game?
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
I have a feeling
that if we wrap up the division or get knocked out of contention we will never see Belt play this year.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 6:56 PM PDT reply actions
OT - i went to great america today
for the first time in 10 years. top gun and drop zone (or whatever name they go by now) are still legit. so is demon and grizzly. but why has the new ownership removed a bunch of stuff, including newer things, without actually installing anything notable? kind of strange.
on the bright side the addition of the water park really seems to have spread the crowd out enough so that line times arent completely insane.
also, now that im old, rides and walking hurt way more than i remember…
by projectmayhem713 on Aug 6, 2011 7:24 PM PDT reply actions
Last time I went to Six Flags, the first ride I went on, I got off the ride feeling like I was going to have a heart attack.
I was, like, 26 years old. Talk about a ‘you need to lose about 50 pounds’ wake-up call.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
So are you guys fond enough of me to turn that green? :D
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not about you
it’s about the self-loathing required to root for them in light of the utter incompetence of the Giants.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Belt has hit .218 for the Giants so far this year.
What is all the commotion about?
pround son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Seriously.
The kid has 0 triples. Let me repeat that, ZERO. Nilch, Nada, Zilch. ZERO.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
HE HAS
77 at bats! 77! And you think that’s enough to judge him by?
And in those 77 AB’s, he has a higher OBP than Huff.
Go Bears!
I’m pretty sure you fell into the chasm.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
It's Posey time!!
My Adopted Squirrel: Heath Hembree
I have been given the solution...
…by KNBR callers and people on Twitter.
FIRE TEH HITTING COACH!
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Something like that.
Because, how could this amazingly talented lineup, as currently constructed, be terrible unless the hitting coach was incompetent?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 6, 2011 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Octomom's razor
the stupidest solution is the correct one.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be like firing a kindergarten teacher for failing to teach her kids calculus.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 6, 2011 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically. Unless he pulls of some Jesus-type water-into-wine miracle, no hitting coach is going to be fixing this team.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 6, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but imagine how many outs Jesus could make out of a Huff 4-3.
Maybe he could give them to Zito and Sanchez to stick in their hip pockets for when times get tough.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 7:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Hm...
Okay, let’s fire Bam Bam and hire Jesus Christ. I’m into it.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 6, 2011 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
BLB is our savior.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 6, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Victorino must be a KNBR caller.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 6, 2011 8:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Beau Mills with the walkoff bases-loaded walk! Clippers win!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
wat
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
Damn
Chris Young warning track shot, would have tied the game in the bottom of the 8th.
Dodgers camera crew was scanning the crowd like it was a no-doubter.
/Minor heart attack
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 8:03 PM PDT reply actions
Dodgers can only afford rookie cameramen right now.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Why are they leaving Elbert in to face RHH?
Where is Guerra?
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he pitched last night, plus he was a AA call-up, so they're probably treating him with kid gloves right now.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaaaaaaaaand ballgame.
Giants remain in 1st place for another day. You’re welcome!
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Damned if I’ll live in the debt of a thief!
Damned if I’ll yield at the end of a chase!
I am the law and the law is not mocked!
I’ll spit his pity right back in his face
There is nothing on earth that we share
It is either Valjean, or JAVERT!!!!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
Yet, why did I allow that man
to hold dominion over me?
This desperate man whom I have hunted
He gave me my life
He gave me freedom
I should have perished by his hand
It was his right
It was my right to die as well
Instead I live, but live in hell
And my thoughts fly apart
Can this man be believed?
Shall his sins be forgiven?
Shall his crimes
be
REPRIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVED?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I was going to make a wisecrack, but instead I’ll express gratitude that you and shj are fans of Les Mis, and not Cats.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
nooooooooooooo
Rum Tum Terrible. Stop or I’ll join the O-Cab brigade.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
And must I now begin to doubt?
Who never doubted all these years?
My heart is stone and still it trembles
The world I have known
Is lost in shadow
Is he from Heaven or from Hell?
And does he know
that in granting me my life today
this man has killed me even so?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wut?
I’m past the stage of being demoralized
At this point, I’m just going to enjoy the ride and if they make the postseason, well then, awesome.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Aug 6, 2011 5:48 PM PDT reply actions
Enjoy what ride? Watching the Giants crumble is not a fun ride. Especially when management has forced you into a position where you feel you know better than them.
If I was a Red Sox fan, I wouldn’t question where Francona puts Pedroia or Ellsbury, who hits lead-off, whether to bat Gonzales, Ortiz, and Youkilis 3,4,5, or 5, 3, 4, or whatever. As a Giants fan. I am SCREAMING INSIDE MY OWN HEAD at Bochy and Sabean for there ineptitude; for their propensity to change what is working and leave static what isn’t.
Last year, some of us maintained after TGWTWS that it happened IN SPITE of the boneheads captaining this ship, and this season it is fleshing out. Some of us demanded a change in direction in 2008 and 2009, only to see Tweedle-Dumb and Tweedle-Big Head get contract extensions.Our hearts drip orange and black tears since long before these guys were in charge, and will long after they are gone. WE are the ones with the emotional invested interest and are left to bang our heads against the walls of logic and insight while these two jokers get paid MILLIONS to be incompetently in charge of an enterprise worth hundreds of millions of dollars AND the lives and careers of talented players whose progress is stunted by the ineptitude. WE see it. THEY don’t.
How can this be enjoyable?
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. Stolen 6/11/11.
Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Aug 6, 2011 8:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
I’m on the ride, just not enjoying it. Right now the corkscrews are making me sick.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 6, 2011 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions
So this means people won't complain when the ESPN guys all pick the Phillies in this year's NLCS, right?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Are you saying the Giants will be their opponents in this NLCS? because if that happens that means SF would have pulled off some magic or tenacity that would have caused us all to fall in love with them all over again.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
All they have to be is better than the DBacks
Who are not very good
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
(Then beat someone in the NLDS.)
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 6, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Odds of doing that are roughly 1/2
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That seriously reeks
Of tempting the baseball gods.
I still blame this skid on the idiots at CSN who promised everyone the D-Backs were going to roll over and taunted the Phillies about needing to overcome the Giants being in their heads.
If I thought anything I typed here would have any effect...
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
It has the desired effect: annoyance.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 6, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Teams who have accomplished that this season:
San Diego (x2)
Chicago Cubs
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Arizona
I’m not sure what that PROVES, exactly, but, uh…yeah.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 6, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait
until there are more wild card teams so we can be watching more hot pennant race action in the Central and West!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I won’t be indignant.
I accept no qualifications on my prerogative to complain about ESPN analysis.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
wow I guess even Carl Steward can write something good when filling in for baggs
No sense belaboring what everybody saw Saturday — another pathetic, almost frighteningly inept performance by the Giants offense, albeit against a pretty fine pitcher in Cole Hamels. I have no answers other than to say I’m with most of you here. I firmly believe they need the Buster Posey-type infusion of youth that sparked them last year by bringing up Brandon Belt and playing him every day. This collection of veterans just isn’t getting it done, and with each passing day, the notion is strengthened that they may not.
But the Giants have heard that plea, and they simply aren’t going to listen right now. They’re going with the vets until they tell us otherwise and there will be no shifting of it. (My backup plea at the moment: But do you really need to bat Orlando Cabrera FIFTH?)
by Falconer88 on Aug 6, 2011 8:48 PM PDT reply actions 18 recs
This should definitely be a color other than white
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
LOL racis
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Like, even Mark Purdy wrote something good.
But even Bochy has to see what everyone else can see: This Giants lineup is not working. That means it isn’t the right lineup.
Example: Bless gnarly old Aubrey Huff for carrying himself with championship posture at first base while having a malodorous season. But after watching Huff being booed as he struggled through another rotten day at the plate Saturday — a grounder to second base, an easy roller back to the pitcher, a weak pop foul to the catcher — haven’t we all witnessed enough of his pain?
The Giants don’t think so. Bochy keeps sending Huff out there, game after game, after sending rookie Brandon Belt back to the minors. Belt needs to come back, as soon as possible. He could provide the same youthful battery charge, if not the same power and batting average, that Buster Posey did last season.
Was Huff really Boo’d at the Park Today?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Aug 6, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
like, before at bats? or after he failed?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Wow
Giants fans booing a Giants player? When is the last time we did that? The team is always saying appreciative things about how the fans back them up. Perhaps this will be something the brass will take to heart?
Nahh, I’m dreaming.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
Welcome to the Yiyants, Carlos!
I wouldn't boo a GIant....
But I’d join in a “Wake up, Giants” chant.
Life is so much sweeter ever since TGWTWS
IIRC
It was after he 4-3’d
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 6, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep. He got booed after his last at bat, pretty loudly too
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
they were definitely
serenaded into the dugout after one of those fail-innings, I don’t remember if it was after Huff killed the rally. I don’t remember boos that loud in quite a while. But I don’t blame them.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
On t.v. it sounded like a smattering of boos at first. Then folks seem to think to themselves, “Wait, are we actually booing? Why yes we are!” and the booing intensified.
Kind of sad. But not really surprising.
Huff seems to approach his at-bats now with all of the enthusiasm of a prisoner walking to the guillotine.
Cabrera should be not a #5 hitter in this reality, a parallel reality, or an alternate reality.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked
The original and that one they made with Marky Mark. I think I just love the idea.
I rarely go to movies, but I will be making a trip for this one.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
the one with Wahlberg gets a bad rep
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Aug 6, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I really liked it
I very rarely buy a movie, but I bought that one.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ray Fatto ladies and gents
Here’s your simple, inescapable truth about B.K. Belt, in three parts.
A) He has not yet provided the compelling difference in performance/comfort level between him and Aubrey Huff that would get him regular playing time.
B) He has multiple options left, which makes him an obvious choice to return to the minors for further seasonage, while Mark DeRosa had to be either released or recalled.
C) The Giants are in a pennant race, and therefore do not have to see what the kids are doing the same way the Pirates and Royals do.
funny how he used the word inescapable because that describes the gravitational pull his mass has
Sweet Jesus
It’s all so flawed that I am not even going to bother.
I can’t believe someone receives monetary compensation for generating thoughts like this.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions
He lost me with the “DeRosa had to be either released or recalled” as if either option would be a tragic mistake.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
hes wrong too
according to baggs they could’ve kept him on the DL he just couldn’t go on a another rehab assignment
that just makes the whole thing more messed up
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
he tore his grit while while taking a swing
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 6, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
What about the freakin ATL Braves who patiently sat through a rough start from their rookie 1B.
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
they seem terrified of giving derosa an AB
doesn’t bode well
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
This
I saw him holding his wrist and on thursday when lee was still in there and the pitchers spot up they used torres instead of him, I truly believe that he is still not right and if that is true then it is a way bigger slap in the face to belt
there certainly
doesn’t seem to have been any urgency to activate him, other than his time on the DL running out. This teams seems to have spent a lot of time with 24 active players and one guy that never sniffs the lineup.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
The one pinch hit I saw him take
lasted quite a few pitches and he seemed to swing pain-free and easily. No grimacing afterward, either.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 7, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
He's just writing this to piss people off.
This piece is so blisteringly stupid that no other explanation can suffice.
Yeah, it sounds like he’s just trying to be controversial for the sake of being controversial.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 7, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Mets radio announcer Howie Rose
is actually an above average broadcaster. EXCEPT he seems to have this predilection to take backhanded swipes at the Giants. Every couple of weeks when discussing the G’s he’ll throw in something about BLB’s enhanced stats and so on.
Well early during tonight’s broadcast, after going through today’s scores and gleefully reporting the 7-hitter by Cole Hamels, he goes back to Friday night’s brawl. Unfortunately, he makes two glaring errors:
1. He said that Rollins was hit by Jonathan Sanchez – ok, understandable
2. He says that the fight was started because Rollins was stealing with a four-run lead. “A four run lead – I can’t believe the Giants were upset with that. I mean even with that pitiful offense, they might still overcome that.” Obviously having no clue as to the context of the HBP and that it was actually a six run lead.
And it wasn’t over. When the Mets had a four run lead and it started raining in the bottom of the eighth, he said that the umps might just stop the game, wait a bit and then call it. Then he stopped himself – “ah, it’s only a four run lead so they might wait longer … but of course the Giants think that’s insurmountable.” (or something like that).
This is more than East Coast bias – it’s not getting the facts straight. And I’m sure ol’ Howie has lost a few nights sleep because TGWTWS.
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
Huh
Firstoff, Howie Rose is a great broadcaster.
Second, I can’t believe a Mets’ broadcaster is hating on the Giants for getting into it with the Phillies. I would expect praise from him for doing what every Met fan would like to do: Hit Shane Victorino.
Whatever, Howie, whatever.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 6, 2011 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I was working on this video
but I kinda lost motivation this week.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
This guy randal does these for other animals too
they are all pretty funny
I need some help with the video actually
Need a gay male voice that has a good recording mic. My accent doesn’t cut it.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well, I guess you’re doomed then. I’ve never heard of such a person existing.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I know somebody, but he might not be available until Monday. We should check with NPR.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
It sucks to be a Giants fan right now
But it is freaking weird we are still in first place.
Sky is not falling, life is not over, and if it was game 162, we still have a shot to defend our title.
For the love of god, win a game! 2-8 with Beltran? WTF!
Also, glad to see Pablo hitting more, if that is possible. Man is he on fire, all by himself.
Time to repeat in '11!
the Giants are lousy
the NL West is execrable.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Currently
The prevoius 90 or so games before this stretch, we had it all going. We have time to get that back, in time for the playoffs.
I think we have what it takes to repeat, a good shot at least.
Let’s get going boys.
Time to repeat in '11!
If anyone goes to the game and hears "I WANT BELT. WHERE'S BELT?" after every weak Huff at bat
That’s probably me.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LOL Pablo
KFP48 KFP48
Good Night Everyone.. Time 4 Some PS3.. @Mik3Sand0vAl Have no chance LOL
1 minute ago
HuffDaddy HuffDaddy
Good Night Everyone.. Time 4 Some 4-3.. @Mik3Sand0vAl Have no chance LOL
1 minute ago
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Aug 6, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
My Giants Lineup- Imaginary, assuming Huff has to play
Torres
Huff
Pablo
Beltran
Keppinger
Nate\Ross platoon
Whiteside\Cabrera
Cabrera\Stewart
P
Yea I don’t know what to do with Huff. I think putting him in 2 spot, not forcing him to force hits, take pitches, walk, whatever. He hit best last year in the 3 spot, he was on a roll enough to be okay there. Having good hitters behind him will take some hit bad pitch to drive guys in pressure off. Maybe? I would like Kepp to be in more RBI role instead of 2 spot, he always seems to hit with nobody on base, yet gets hits. Let him get hits with Pablo and Beltran on base, or walk him to get to Nate or Ross. Nate\Ross face only RHP\LHP respectively.
Hi Bochy, you read MCC, let’s do this!
Time to repeat in '11!
If he’s familiar with sports websites at all he probably reads only Grant’s articles and ignores the comments.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
*shrugs*
just throwing it out there to be positive. I doubt it too.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Aug 6, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You might have to bat Huff third to get him better pitches to hit
Torres/Rowand
Keppinger
Huff
Beltran
Pablo
Nate/Ross
Fontenot/Cabrera
Whiteside/Stewart
Might as well move The OC up in the order while you’re at it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
If I were Bochy I'd bat Cabrera 5th.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Aug 7, 2011 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t call it that.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Aug 7, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
This is mine.
I wouldn’t worry about getting Huff pitches to hit at this point.
Torres
Kepp
Pablo
Beltran
Ross
Huff
Fontenot
Catcher if Sanchez or Bum isn’t pitching
I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman
by 49ersFootball...Torture! on Aug 6, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Mine
Torres
Sandoval
Ross
Beltran
Keppinger
Huff
Whiteside
Fontenot
If Stewart is playing, switch catcher and shortstop.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
The 2 spot should contain your best hitter. Huff should probably be batting 6th.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I know what the math says
I also know psychology never seems to understand math. Huff can still be a top 3 hitter on this team, after Pablo and Beltran. I know this from 2010. I saw Huff with clutch hits in the playoffs, and with a pretty good swing all year.
You can afford to be more selective with better hitters behind you when ahead in the count. Walking in front of Cabrera? Why not swing at that 3-2 curveball with guy on 2nd and 2 outs? With Panda behind you? Pitcher attacks zone 3-2 there.
My feeling is Huff is pressing, this will help that.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Aug 6, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Even so
You’re putting one of your worst hitters in a position where he can make lots of outs. You can’t do that.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
A gamble
Worth it 1 game at least, considering the offense sucks. Beltran, Pablo and Keppinger stay together, with Huff or Ross behind them, limiting risk and changing who is in RBI positions. Huff moves to just get on at all costs mode. Batting order is just best guess, obviously things change by the pitch in game.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Aug 6, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate* or Ross behind.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Aug 6, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh. So we’ll decide on the basis of one game whether to continue the experiment?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Lineups seem to be everyday
Bochy likes to play a guy who his going. I think watching how Huff responds, approaches AB’s and how it affected things, we can at least see if it was worth repeating. Swing 0-1 at a slider out of the zone (Cough, Rowand, Cough) 4 at bats in a row? Yer gone. Take 6-7-5-7 pitch at bats and grind a single and walk…. yea you can keep him there.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Aug 6, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Just got back from the Pirates-Padres game. The left side of the Pirates defense was shit-awful. 2 errors on Cedeno, should’ve been at least one more; Wood definitely had a ball that he could’ve fallen down to grab, and had another tick off his glove, if I recall correctly; Ludwick managed to misplay a bloop into a gift triple. Felt really bad for Maholm (whose name is somehow pronounced Mal-hull-um, no idea why). Also, I can’t believe that Brandon Wood is still getting playing time anywhere in the majors, and I’m pretty sure Alvarez is holding up his end of the bargain to make the 1-2 punch of the 2008 draft one of the worst in draft history.
Train concert after the game sucked, because, well, it was Train. But the fireworks were better than most 4th of July shows that I’ve seen. PNC itself was pretty darn pretty (ATT is still better).
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Wasn’t Alvarez supposed to be good last year? What happened?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Based on the very small sample size of 1 AB, when he swings at slop, he doesn’t really make contact. And if you’re going to K around 30% of the time, you need to have some serious power to offset the huge decrease on BIP.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Where did you sit? Did you cross the Clemente Bridge to get to the park?
by non sequitur on Aug 6, 2011 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Section 115, Row N. Awesome seat, slightly offset from directly behind home plate but with two lefties starting, I was able to most of the pitches really well for the first 7 innings. Didn’t cross the Clemente Bridge to get there (my walkathon totaled probably 5 miles with a 2 mile kayak jaunt on the Allegheny for the hell of it), so I just walked on the river trail to get there. But I took the Warhol Bridge back to the parking garage (Clemente was still closed off since they were launching fireworks from there).
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
so
DeRosa AB since reactivation… 0?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
He lined out once
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Actually 1
He had an at bat August 5th.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Good thing I haven't been paying attention.
I have extended time with the kids this weekend and I don’t want this series putting me in a bad mood. I now remember why I wasn’t Bochys biggest fan before, I knew he would frustrate me some, but this is just horrible.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Aug 6, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I wondered
B-R doesn’t list any.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 6, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Judging by this thread, I’m glad I missed the game today.
Adopted Giant - Carlos Willoughby, 2011 Sally League All Star
Yea it is dead in here
Losses suck, even worse in a 1-8 stretch. Seems like everything going wrong. Unearned run in 1st was deciding run…. I did not watch it either, I just watched too many of those ugly game this year.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Aug 6, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Am I the only one who thinks Derosa should be released?
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
There have been a number of pinch hit situations that would seem to call for a healthy DeRosa. The Giants, to this point, have avoided using him. That seems like a bad sign. Not sure what the point of him is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think a healthy Pat would be better than a healthy Derosa
Which would you take?
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
Is this really a question?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I know obviously Burrell
but is he seriously injured or is Bochy just holding off on activating him because they can’t find a roster spot for him? ( because of Derosa)
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
I dunno
another good question, along with why DeRosa is even active again if he won’t play. And not that I miss Tejada, but if DeRosa is so broken he can’t play he shouldn’t be on the roster at all.
And if they can’t find him an AB in these lopsided flail-fests, letting him knock the rust off in a close game seems even crazier.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad I missed this game.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
It's Posey time!!
My Adopted Squirrel: Heath Hembree
remember
the season is a series of ebbs and flows. we will survive this funk and if Bochy would just stop with the lineup crap, we may have a chance. Still in 1st place. Right?
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Aug 7, 2011 12:03 AM PDT reply actions
Clayton Blackburn
Had another great outing in rookie ball. 4.2 IP 2 H 0BB 7K. Through his first 21 innings he’s sporting a k/bb ratio of 11. Just thought I’d spread some good news in a somewhat gloomy thread
I love baseball!
(I think)
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
So, last year around this time I prayed to a God I wasn’t even sure I believed in and asked Him/Her to PLEASE give me one World Championship at some point in my miserable life and th
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
and he passed out
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I wish I was drinking!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
please please please god don't be a bastard
christ, no, we deserve something nice for a change!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
My point basically was this: my dream was realized so as much as the Giants are fucking killing me right now, I need to take a step back and be thankful that I’m am alive at the height of the San Francisco Giants. On the field, in the booth etc. Good night.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
TGWTWS. Your argument is totally valid.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. Stolen 6/11/11.
Job 1:14-15
Look at the bright side guys
Rowand won’t be hitting lead off and cabrera won’t be hitting 5th (at least for one day.. I hope).
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Stupid Bruce Jenkins
Just sent him an angry email for his article on the “wonderful” game pitched by Hamels yesterday. Barely mentioned Matt Cain. Jeez, does it matter what lineups they faced? Giants have three major league hitters in their entire lineup and two of them had multi hit games. Cain gave up runs on a broken bat single and a passed ball. Man, Jenkins is an idiot.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
lol cain
Having one of the best seasons of his career and he’ll be lucky to finish the season with a winning record. It’s tough being on the giants when every lineup in comparison to yours is the 27 yankee’s and you have 0 margin for error. There’s no reason to compliment pitchers against the giants at this point when no matter who’s pitching is guaranteed at least a quality start but leave it to BJ to phillatio it up in his column.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
you could have written this last year. Or the year before. Or the year before that. Sometimes I imagine him looking up at the scoreboard, losing another 2-1 game, and telling himself “I’m getting too old for this shit.”
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 7, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Your subject line is spot on
Bruce Jenkins IS stupid
by Falconer88 on Aug 7, 2011 9:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He wrote a column a few days ago saying that the Giants’ swing first, walk later approach was the correct, manly way of hitting and was much better than that namby-pamby looking for a good pitch to hit approach. He must have loved the fact Hamels threw just about 80 pitches by the start of the eighth inning.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 7, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like to not get swept
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
So Giants...not good?
I still think that the offense should be a lot better.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
There was one good thing about yesterday
I got to got to the season ticket holder Breakfast With Champions event. The panels were:
1. Sandoval, Beltran, Bochy, Baer
2. Lopez, Vogelsong
3. Ross, Posey
Lopez and Vogelsong were the highlight. So incredibly hilarious! It was nice to see Buster, too. I think Goofus is going to do a fan post where we can post detalis, but here’s a pic:
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
that's awesome Buster was there for that
I wonder why he shaved his head again?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Wants to be low maintenance when the twins arrive (in less than two weeks!)?
He was talking about how Kristin’s (Kristen?) ankles are swollen and she’s really uncomfortable. Then, he stopped himself and said, “she probably wouldn’t want me telling you guys this.” It was cute. Dave Flemming said, “as the father of twins myself, I can’t wait to talk to you in 5 or 6 months and find out how your life has changed.” He was laughing as he said it. ;-)
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
hahaha
I’m sure he really spends a lot of time on his hair!
I think we all mentioned it before but it’s kinda cool he can be with her and them, although I’m sure he’d rather be playing.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m sure he would rather be able to walk. ;-) But, yes, now that he is putting a some weight on it, he will be able to help out a lot, rather than being gone half the time.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
and at least they will be immobile babies…having a busted up ankle like that AND two toddlers running around? yikes!
It looks like Huff's "comeback" is a dead cat's bounce
I wonder how much worse Huff would have to play before Boch benches him?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But can this dead cat ground out 4-3?
That is the real question
by Falconer88 on Aug 7, 2011 9:40 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait for it..
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I can kind of understand why Bochy keeps throwing Huff out there
The guy won him a world series last year. I imagine they are very close, good friends even. I’m sure Huff walks in to his office and says Boch give me another chance I’ll get it going this is my team. I know it would be near impossible for me to send one of my best friends to the bench after we had just won it all together. I admire the loyalty, even though it’s hurting the Giants now I think it’s an important quality for a manager.
I still like Bochy, ultimately I think he’s a smart guy who handles players well and knows how to direct a pitching staff. After what I saw with Ron Washington in the world series last year I know it can be much worse.
by haroldandsivakumar on Aug 7, 2011 9:46 AM PDT reply actions
Bochy has two glaring weaknesses
Ridiculous veteran love and line up construction.
Sabean has constructed a team that enhances these weaknesses. It’s why I ultimately blame this mess on Sabean more than Bochy. He should’ve just never re-signed Huff. Although, neither can be blamed for the Sanchez and Posey injuries.
However, I think you’re overstating the “good friends” thing. It’s not like Bochy has been Huff’s manager for 10 years.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Agreed
It’s the GM’s job to take emotion out of the equation managers by nature are going to be emotional. Sabean should know better than to trust scrap heap players to continue to produce at high levels.
As far as the friendship goes i feel like the two really bonded over revitalizing their careers together I could be way overblowing it but I feel like there was a strong connection there last year
by haroldandsivakumar on Aug 7, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow! Adam Dunn vs LHP
.038/.211/.038/.249
(.163/.294/.302/.596 overall)
And he’s playing every day. (Bork, Bork)
Will be owed $44M/3 yrs after this season.
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
Today's LoLineup
Torres cf
Keppinger 2b
Beltran rf
Sandoval 3b
Huff 1b
Cabrera ss
Schierholtz lf
Stewart c
Lincecum p
The Orlando Cabrera trade was really terrible.
by kingofthacove on Aug 7, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
The baseball gods will continue to plague this team with losses until people STOP with the O-Cab crap!!!!!!!!!!
I agree. It’s a ridiculous overreaction. He’s not good, but the shortstops he replaced weren’t good either. Yes, he’s too high in the lineup, but it’s not like the guys behind him are hitting either.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Maybe Cabrera’s batting sixth because there’s it at least allows one decent hitter, Schierholtz, to break up the Huff, Cabrera, Stewart, pitcher part of the lineup and give fans some hope that something might happpen.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 7, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Except for Belt, this is ok.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
There are three players who shouldn’t be in the majors in this line-up.
by kingofthacove on Aug 7, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't care how cold Nate is
Cabrera should not be batting ahead of him.
Spots 5-9 are still a wasteland
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
“If only we could get Emmanuel Burriss back.” —KNBR caller
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
The actual quote was, “the team started losing when Buriss got sent down.” Because, you know, correlation = causation.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
This statement is equivalent to:
"the team started losing when Beltran joined the team."
or "the team started losing when they DFA’d Hall."
since those were the simultaneous team moves.
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
Like everything else in this country Obama is to blame
The team started losing after they visited the White House.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
They started losing because they traded Zack Wheeler.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
They’ve been distraught over Amy Winehouse.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
They’re too distracted by the new season of Entourage.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
They’re frustrated by all the cliffhangers at the end of Dance With Dragons.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 7, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
The miss old Eric Northman on True Blood
Not this pansy amnesia Eric Northman
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
They’re really upset about the debt ceiling.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
They’re upset about the apparent nepotism that occurred in the most recent prime minister election in Thailand.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
They’re mad about the 49ers letting so many free agents go.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
That was a month ago!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Any reason why Lincecum likes Stewart over Whiteside?
Also I’m looking forward to today’s Pitching match-up.
he’s better at catching/blocking pitches in the dirt, so I imagine Timmy’s more comfortable throwing his changeup & slider.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 7, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
He likes catchers that can actually catch the ball
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
now I know that derosa is still hurt and he is taking up a roster spot
he is a career 12-29 against Oswalt and huff has been doing bad against RHP this year it would be the perfect day to start DeRosa. but he isnt playing
Keeping the gunpowder dry! Use only in case of emergency!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
If Huff misses a game, how will he get his swing back?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Is it possible there is something going on with Bochy and Huff?
I don’t want to start any rumors or anything, but I am just looking at the facts.
-Burrell had hit the bench even before the injury, despite being one of the better hitters on the team. It was almost like Bochy had something personal against him.
-Huff plays everyday regardless of how he performs. Almost like Bochy has a personal preference for him.
-I haven’t seen Burrell and Huff hanging out as much.
Being faithful to a partner doesn’t strike me as Burrell’s strength. Maybe Huff got sick of Burrell always fooling around and needed someone who was more grounded and calm like a certain large headed fellow Texan. He might have even consulted Bochy about the whole thing and after a couple of beers……….well, you know.
I’m not saying, I’m just saying.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 10:49 AM PDT reply actions
Yup
2 years/22 million
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 7, 2011 11:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it that hard? Really?
Torres CF
Keppinger 2B
Beltran RF
Sandoval 3B
Burrell LF
Belt 1B
Fontenot SS
Whiteside C
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
/Stops banging head against wall and mumbling Bochy to read GP post
/reads post
Yeah, man, I don’t get it either.
/Resumes banging head against the wall and mumbling Bochy
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
i thought this was the real lineup for a second
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The team picked up some gritty vets who play at 2B and SS. We’ll never see Fontenot again.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
whitey gotta go
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Of course
MaioccoCSN Matt Maiocco
Here’s the word from New England . . . @shalisemyoung and @greg_a_bedard are reporting Dashon Goldson is visiting the Patriots today.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
This post means absolutely nothing
I feel good about today. We’re gonna win.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
Well, it’s probably because the Giants have their two time CY Young winning ace on the mound against a pitcher just activated from the DL who has had serious back issues. The offense still wont do anything, though.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Oops
We=The McCoven
We will be winning at the game of life, not the board game. Coincedentally, the San Francisco Giants will also be defeating the Philadelphia Phillies in a game of baseball.
/Puts away crystal ball
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Good 4 u Boch
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Bochy on Tony Bruno calling him a coward & Ramirez an “illegal alien”: Bochy said he can defend himself but no defense 4 a “racist” comment
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Racist?
Bochy’s doing what Bruno wants him to do and that is respond and give him more exposure. I think Bochy feels compelled to defend himself against the accusation that he ordered Victorino plunked. But all Bochy is doing is stooping to Bruno’s level. I don’t agree that the comment about Ramirez was necessarily racist in nature. It was definitely bigoted, but you don’t know if he’s being racist unless he mentions Ramirez’s race. I think Bruno wanted it that way, to be sort of ambiguous. Henry is trying to make Bruno worse by labeling him a racist probably because he supports immigration reform, like other liberals, and has latino friends.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Why respond if thats all youre going to write? I know youre smart, so respond like it.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
SCOTT COUSINS IS THE REAL VICTIM
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Aug 7, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay.
Calling someone an illegal alien on the basis that they are Hispanic is derogatory and bigoted. You might have qualms about whether it meets your definition of “racist”, but surely it’s close enough. And I think you’re giving far too much credit to Bruno by positing that it was some sort of measured self-promotion. No one is going out on a limb by calling his comment racist, and the fact that most of anything else he could have called Ramirez would have made far more sense means that it’s not much more of a stretch to assume that he is a racist.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
actually
I think when the apology consists of regret that it was written and recorded rather than actually being sorry for offending someone, you can be pretty sure.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
That, too. “I’m sorry for not keeping that to myself” is not a noble apology.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I agree that it isn’t going out on a limb to call him racist but I also think it too easy and simple to label him as well. He may be racist, but media people say controversial things all the time to get publicity. He has his own program on the radio doesn’t he? Ramirez isn’t a US citizen, right? So I don’t think anyone should assume he called him an illegal immigrant just because he’s hispanic.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Why else would he call him an illegal immigrant?
Most of the time, I'm dumb. I'm just playing smart.
xenophobia!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 8, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Why else would he have called him an illegal immigrant?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg,) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Also, three reasons I can think of why Bochy said what he said:
1. He actually thinks he’s a racist for now good reason other what he’s read or been told about the tweet. That would confirm he’s a simpleton.
2. He shares Schulman’s and other liberals views on the issue of immigration reform etc..
3. He’s playing the same PR game as Schulman and others in a attempt to get back at Bruno for attacking his integrity.
I think it’s number 3, though he could be a liberal as well. He’s doing his job and his personal views are separate, unlike Hank.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
To be frank, here, that comment was the statement of a complete idiot. I’m sure that you’re brilliant outside of this instance, but seriously……………….He’s obviously racist.
Most of the time, I'm dumb. I'm just playing smart.
How do you know this? Can you read his mind? Do you have any hard proof? He seems like it when you read his comment at first, but he doesn’t mention Ramirez’s race.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Can you give me a reason why he would call someone an illegal alien? You’re just being obstinate.
Most of the time, I'm dumb. I'm just playing smart.
Maybe because he’s not a US citizen and English isn’t his first language?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
So it’s OK to call anyone who’s not a US citizen an illegal immigrant because they didn’t learn English?
I don’t know what country you live in…but I’m pretty sure that’s not what we’re supposed to do.
Most of the time, I'm dumb. I'm just playing smart.
Then you’re not explaining yourself well at all. What I see is “We don’t know that Bruno called Ramirez an illegal immigrant because he’s Latino (and therefore Bruno is not a racist). He probably had some benign reason to call him that, perhaps because he thoughtfully considered that Ramirez is not a US citizen and English is not his first language.”
Which is total BS.
Bruno saw a non-white with the name Ramirez, and made a racist comment about him being an illegal immigrant.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg,) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
“(and therefore Bruno is not a racist).”
I never wrote he isn’t racist, just that it isn’t clear if he is or not.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr. Merope works with lots of people here on H1 visas… Canadian, Indian, Japanese [mostly] nobody calls THEM illegal aliens.
And the whole fucking illegal alien thing pisses me off no end anyways. I work with a population that is predominantly of low socio-economic status…. and from what I’ve seen it’s my so called “illegal families” that are out there busting their asses, paying taxes, and trying to make better lives for their families. It’s the damned “legal residents” that sit around on their asses all day collecting welfare and whatever other free handout they can glom onto and don’t do shit to break the cycle of poverty and violence.
Give me a whole class full of kids of illegal alien status families, you can keep the “the world owes me a living residents”.
by Merope on Aug 7, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That makes sense to me because theres 300 million people in the US and 6 bllion in the rest of the world. The people who really want to make a better life for themselves are the ones who find a way to make it happen. The lazy and scared ones stay behind.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you think he would have said the same thing about a player from, say, Australia?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
At this point, I’m going to do what you probably should have done and stop responding.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
NOBAMA LOVIN LIBRULS INFECTED THIS TEAM WITH LOOSING
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Aug 7, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
BOCHY WAS BORN IN FRANCE I DEMAND BIRTH CERT
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, and George W. Bush supports immigration reform
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Aug 7, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Your insistence that offense at bigoted remarks is something that falls along political lines is baffling.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
1) Just judging from the things he says/does on the show, I’d guess he’s conservative.
2) What political team he roots for is, ultimately, irrelevant to his dumbassery. Stupidity knows no politics.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 7, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
More things I thought of:
4. He’s sucking up to Schulman to get softer coverage during this difficult time for him. Everyone has an urge to challenge his decision making and Schulman covers the Giants for San Francisco’s chief paper.
5. It’s a way to distract fans and readers from the Giants shitty play.
Remember, Bochy didn’t have to say anything, “no comment”, even if he does believe Bruno is a racist. This really has nothing to do with baseball.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
6. It’s a way to rally those who share the view that Bruno is a racist and that are disgusted by it behind Bochy. Politicians do it all the time. They latch onto an issue and use it to gain supporters.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No, not heroin... PCP. Angeldust.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 8, 2011 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
OH WTFFFFFFFF
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Barry Zito is pitching Monday, by the way.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
GOD DAMNIT IM SO FLUSTERED
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Barry Zito is pitching Monday, by the way.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
In San Jose.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Fucking Baggs
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Oh God… Barry Zito is pitching Monday in SAN JOSE!!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
he seems
to have gotten healthy in record time!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 7, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Huff blows
“Bochy pledged to rest Huff more…I did grind him heavily in the first half. In the second half, I’ll work harder to rest him.”
This will be the seventh game in a row that Huff has started.
Yep
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Bochy on Huff: “He’s a big reason we won last year. I’m not trying to live on yesterday’s headlines, believe me. But he’s been there….”
xtrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
…“He’s used to hitting in the middle of the lineup. We want to show confidence in him.”
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Bochy on Huff: "He’s a big reason we won last year. I’m not trying to live on yesterday’s headlines, believe me. But he’s been there…."
xtrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
…"He’s used to hitting in the middle of the lineup. We want to show confidence in him."
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I just got back from a week long vacation in Chicago and I'm going to today's game...
I haven’t felt this demoralized about going to a Giants game in some time.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
I read about the Cabrera trade and it made me sad...almost as sad as hearing about Belt.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Aug 7, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Boo the hell out of Huff everytime he 4-3’s.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Is see no evidence that Huff is giving less than his best effort. Baseball is hard. Huff is trying. He’s just failing, and the frustrating thing is that Bochy simply cannot see this blatantly evident fact.
Boo Bochy.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Not giving a good effort isn’t the only reason fans would boo a player(Zito). The Chronicle had a article up the other day mentioning the concerns of people within the Giants org. on Huff’s physical shape. We know he smokes, drinks, and he looked heavier when the season started.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I’D BOO A PLAYER IF HE SNUCK INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Aug 7, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess everyone has their own booing thresholds. Personally, I don’t like booing a Giant unless he’s giving a blatantly poor effort on the field. Booing Huff because he smokes and drinks and because he maybe needs to lose a few lbs? Man, I’d hate to think of all the players I’d be booing if I included those categories in my booing criteria. Did you boo Pablo last year?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
There were people who did. They were fickle turncloaks who lacked intestinal fortiitude. Like the people booing Huff.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 8, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Mark DeRosa's sole contribution to the Giants
from a fan’s standpoint, was getting injured and opening up spots for arguably 4 or 5 better players (Burrell, Ross, Fontenot, and Keppinger).
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Aug 7, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe
They at least collected some insurance on him because he has been injured.
Last I heard, there was no suck insurance taken out on Barry Zito’s contract though.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Reyes hurts hammy again
His hamstring is going to cost him about 50 million dollars this offseason.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Costanza goes yard in NYC!
(It would be better if his first name was Jorge and the third letter of his last name wasn’t an “n”, but still……I am gonna go with it)
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he was going to sign with the Mets anyways. Just as long as the gave him a 100 million or more.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 7, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Sergio Romo is only 14 batters away from breaking Beurhle's consercutive batters retired streak!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I want this so bad I can taste it
That record was owned by Jim Barr of the Giants, who, in 1972, retired 41 straight batters over a two game stretch.
From wikipedia:
Over the course of two starts, on August 23 and August 29, [Barr] retired 41 players in a row. On August 23 against the Pittsburgh Pirates, he walked opposing pitcher Bob Moose to lead off the third inning and then retired the final 21 batters to end the game with a 2-hitter. In his next start, he retired the first 20 St. Louis Cardinals in order before Bernie Carbo earned a seventh inning double. He won that game too, with a complete game 3-hitter.
Bring that record back to the Giants where it belongs!
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Defense Buster Olney. DEFENSE
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Love advanced metrics,but anybody find something a little skewed to 2B/SS/CF? Ben Zobrist No. 6 overall, ahead of all first basemen, McCann?
Zobrist, Tulowitzki and Victorino all ahead of all first basemen in WAR, and Brian McCann? That doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
Zobrist, Victorino, Howie Kendrick and Yunel Escobar all ahead of Prince Fielder in WAR. You do wonder if positional adjustments too steep.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
He has a point though. Who’d you rather have? Ben Zobrist or Prince Fielder?
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Yeah, that’s what I don’t get about the “Buster loses value if he moves to 1B” argument. He would still be the same offensive player. Is it because it means you would be playing with a lesser player at catcher (because that’s not the case on the Giants, coughHuffcough)? Or is it because a replacement-level 1st baseman is so much better than the replacement-level catcher? Is it his skill at throwing out runners and CERA?
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by Murray, Present on Aug 7, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Posey is a really good catcher.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Like, seriously, one of the best catchers in the league.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
the way I see it is Buster has the chance to be Johnny Bench-like as a catcher— one of the best ever. As a 1b, he has a chance to be a really good 1B but nothing great or extra special.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 7, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Look at how much better 1b are offensively than catchers
Buster is a Top 3 offensive catcher with elite defense at a premium defensive position.
At 1b his number are good (maybe top 10-15) but not great in comparison to other 1b and now he’s playing a non-premium defensive position
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
The replacement hitting catcher is always worse than the replacement hitting 1st basemen (we’re assuming you don’t play the worst player in baseball at 1st here). Moving Posey to 1B just downgrades your offense and defense.
If you move Posey to 1B, here are the guys that are better than him:
Adrian Gonzalez
Joey Votto
Albert Pujols
Prince Fielder
Mark Teixeira
Miguel Cabrera
Paul Konerko
Todd Helton
And probably a few more
At catcher, it’s Brian McCann and that’s about it.
Also, I think you know this, but he’s ridiculously good at catcher.
That is cray-z.
the kind bought at a second hand store?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 7, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole problem I have with WAR
Is that you are using defensive metrics which are designed to be used in 3 year spans and instead valuing their output for single years. That doesn’t make sense to me.
Remember when Nyger Morgan was worth like 5.2 WAR and $23.4 million in 2009? Huh?
Maybe they have made tweaks since then, but it does seem to have some flaws.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 7, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree. Since UZR is useless over a year sample, why use a stat that is heavily dependent on it?
by kingofthacove on Aug 7, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, doesn’t WAR also use park factors, which are really inconsistent year-to-year?
by kingofthacove on Aug 7, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants are 63 runs below average when park- and league-adjusted
The Mariners are 127.
That is cray-z.
One-year park factors?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
When batted ball- and park-adjusted
Belt has been the second best hitter on the team! Go Yiants!
That is cray-z.
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