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(Forgive me if this has been covered to death here. It's been about six months since I last visited this place on a daily/weekly basis because it kinda got boring around when the Giants won the World Series).

The team is going to do what it's going to do this year. I fully expect them to be competitive again, the way they were last year, which means they do have a shot at repeating if they consistently perform for the rest of the regular season, and then lockdown again in the postseason. Guys like Burrell and Tejada will be great bench guys at that time. But what is more interesting to me is how many variables the team has on offense for next year.

C - Buster Posey / Stewart

1B - Huff/Belt

2B - Sanchez/Keppinger

SS - Orlando Cabrera/Brandon Crawford

3B - Pablo Sandoval

RF - Carlos Beltran

CF - Andres Torres/Rowand

LF - Schierholtz

This is such a platoon-heavy Bochy team that it's hard to imagine many changes. Orlando Cabrera an Jeff Keppinger are essentially replacements for Juan Uribe/Renteria and Freddy Sanchez. I expect Crawford and Belt to get more playing time next year, but they will really have to step up to be considered super competitive.

I would really like the Giants to retain Beltran, because I think he is the best option.

I could see Ross, Fontenot, and DeRosa going elsewhere.

How do you see it? Am I missing something? Are there any trades/free agent signings you could see happening to switch things going a different direction? Can they finally trade Rowand and Zito next year? Is there an unseen big bat I'm missing?

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(btw, this place has always been fun and goofy, but it’s always more hilarious when the Giants have some sort of perceived flaws. When they won, it was hard to notice them.)

by xdorky on Aug 4, 2011 5:51 PM PDT reply actions  

If Buster is healthy, Stewart won’t be here next year. Neither will Cabrera or Beltran. And who knows if Crawford will hit enough to be here either. Probably wise to see what happens in the offseason before thinking about next year

by m34josh on Aug 4, 2011 7:00 PM PDT reply actions  

Stewart

Why would Stewart not be the backup next year? He is excellent defensively, he is the personal catcher for our #1 and he hits ok for a catcher.

by HungryHunter on Aug 4, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Because Whiteside is a better hitter and has been the backup for years. All the pitchers are familiar with him

by m34josh on Aug 4, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d much rather see a lineup with Posey and Beltran than just one of the two. I see Crawford in a platoon next year with a veteran SS, which is why Cabrera or Keppinger could stay especially given Sanchez’s heath and the availability of other SS on the market.

Stewart is younger and seems better suited defensively and offensively to backup Posey, who will need another catcher.

by xdorky on Aug 5, 2011 1:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

See you next year, then.

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by natteringnabob on Aug 4, 2011 7:42 PM PDT reply actions  

What are you going to do with your username after 2011?

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by Natto on Aug 5, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

idk, if things go well i might resurface as Threepeat_in_2012…

by repeat_in_2011 on Aug 5, 2011 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t you have to keep it to show that you called a repeat before it actually happened?

But then again, everyone in the McCoven is hoping for the same thing.

by Nivra on Aug 5, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

How about..

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by Lyle on Aug 5, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll stick around. The playoff chase makes it interesting. Plus Grant (and sometimes the peanut gallery) write some of the funniest things I’ll read all day.

by xdorky on Aug 5, 2011 1:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

Easily could have been:

C – Buster Posey
1B – Brandon Belt
2B – Freddy Sanchez
SS – J.J. Hardy
3B – Pablo Sandoval
LF – Colby Rasmus
CF – Andres Torres
RF – Cody Ross

This is a good lineup. Had Sabean not so aggressively pursued gritty veterans like Tejada and Beltran, this could have been our lineup.

Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.

by EricW on Aug 5, 2011 1:25 AM PDT reply actions  

agreed.

…with one caveat/question – could we have gotten Colby Rasmus?

by xdorky on Aug 5, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Considering what the Cardinals got for Rasmus (basically Edwin Jackson), yes we probably could’ve gotten him (possibly by trading Sanchez).

by Wolvkil23 on Aug 5, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

What, you're trying to terrify us?

You seriously think we won’t DFA Rowand? You seriously think we’ll play Huff over Belt? Honestly, you think we’ll make Orlando frickin’ Cabrera our starting SS?
We’re not even going to re-sign Beltran.

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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 5, 2011 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

I think these are distinct possibilities, unfortunately, given the current depth within the organization and availability on the market.

Huff and Rowand are under contract for another year, and both will get playing time as long as they match up with the young’ns. The Giants rode out Ray Durham practically until the end, and they did the same with Rich Aurilia, Pedro Feliz, Dave Roberts, and Randy Winn.

The only way they’ll release them is if they get something in return.

As for Beltran… where else does he go? Who else do the Giants get? What is his cost?

by xdorky on Aug 5, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, I know

It’s just so depressing. We’ve got all this dead weight on our roster, the rotting corpse of Aaron Rowand, the dessicated husk of Barry Zito. And a chance for a genuine first base upgrade, which will never happen while Bruce Bochy manages the Giants.
As for Beltran, let’s put it together. Who needs a slugging right fielder, is a perennial contender, and doesn’t care how much money they spend? Welcome, Boston fans, to your 2012 right fielder.

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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 5, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

oh man, Beltran to Boston just makes too much sense in that scenario.

Giants will still need to find another bat, and it’s unlikely they’ll trade a pitcher to get one. I don’t think Reyes fits at his price. Who else is out there?

by xdorky on Aug 5, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is it really so depressing being a Giants’ fan right now? Being a Warriors fan and a Niners fan, I got to say it’s not the biggest crimp in my sports fandom at the moment being a Giants fan. I could be a Cubs fan, a Dodgers fan, a Padres fan, an A’s fan. Really, there’s a crapload more depressing teams to be rooting for at the moment.

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by Roger on Aug 5, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Point taken

Still, this decision to try to squeeze those last few drops of juice from the bat of Mark DeRosa instead of just giving Belt the job already is idiotic. And as a 49er fan, my expectations are reasonably low. Will Alex Smith not suck quite as bad this year? Will we go 7-9 or 6-10? Whereas the Giants are in, like, a winnable boat race with these massive overpaid boat anchors dragging behind.

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by Giantsfan4life on Aug 5, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the other day that the Giants seem to take more grief over this issue, even though their attitude towards experience isn’t remotely unique. For instance, is there anything one can say about the Belt/Huff issue that can’t be applied to Montero/Posada perfectly well? Yet I don’t see multi-daily snark tweets from Keith Law bashing the Yankees for the decision to keep hauling Posada’s dead carcass out there.

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by Roger on Aug 5, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

yes, but...

The Yankees do so many other things that don’t always make sense, but they throw the money so broadly it sometimes works out. Derek Jeter is a perfect example; their pitching is another. If you start turning stones over with the Yankees, it’s not just Posada.

by xdorky on Aug 5, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Is that a reason not to turn them over though? My point is that you virtually never hear “Brian Cashman just loves his old vets” jokes, even though they just threw a gazillion dollars at two old guys who can’t play very well, and let a great hitting prospect just cool his heels at AAA while throwing a decaying carcass in the lineup every day. Everybody does it. It’s not just a Giants thing. In fact, it’s not just a baseball thing, and I’m not entirely sure it’s even a sports thing.

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by Roger on Aug 6, 2011 6:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m sure the people at Pinstripe Alley are angry about Montero being in AAA, but the vast majority of Yankees fans are 1) uninformed and 2) very attached to Posada, Jeter, etc.

Anyway, Cashman is at the command of the Steinbrenners. You think Cashman would have signed Jeter or Soriano if he were given full control?

Check out Catch-28.com, a blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.

by EricW on Aug 6, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

He would have signed Jeter

Not Soriano. But there was no way Jeter was going anywhere else.

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by quincy0191 on Aug 6, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

But I’m not talking about Yankees fans or Giants fans. I’m talking about the “independent observers” of the sports media, who quite often bash Sabean with this “loves old guys” stick as if the phenomena is somehow unique to him within the industry.

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by Roger on Aug 6, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

It kind of is. Sabean/Bochy are one of the few tandems who continue to sign and play over-35 players at the expense of younger kids and show a tendency to see a good week by a vet as a sign they’re coming around and a bad week by a kid as a sign they’re no good. Cashman and Girardi have played young guys (Cano, Gardner, Chamberlain, Hughes) and shown they understand young players are valuable. It’s a little disingenuous to compare how the Yankees operate to how any other franchise operates; if Jeter were a lifelong Giant, he would be in the lineup at SS every day regardless of how well he was hitting, and the same can be said of Posada or A-Rod or Rivera and would be true for any franchise. The Yanks are somewhat unique in their ability to retain prominent players and the fact that Jeter/Posada play every day despite mediocre numbers is more a testament to their contributions to the franchise than Cashman/Girardi really believing they are important cogs of a productive offense IMO. It doesn’t hurt that Montero isn’t exactly tearing up AAA.

Really, the only franchise that seems to be doing the same thing as Sabean has for the last few years is the Cubs and Jim Hendry; that team is going nowhere this year, and instead of trading the few assets they had they’re sticking with vets for no reason. Of course, even they don’t see-saw top prospects like the Giants are doing with Belt, and they haven’t shown a tendency to overly favor veterans in the past.

The Giants are the oldest team in the major leagues by average age, which actually slightly underrates how old the team is considering the next oldest franchises have over-40 players (and in Boston’s case, Wakefield being 45) skewing the average age up; the Cubs (7th) are the next team whose oldest player is 38 and their average age is a year younger. And we have Bumgarner skewing the age lower, yet we still have the highest average age because so many players are in their mid-thirties.

What’s really contributed to this perception, though, is that the Giants continued to play vets even when we were sucking and losing games in 2005-2008. Looking at that list, the only team in the top 10 that isn’t contending are the aforementioned Cubs, and the next non-contender is No. 12 NYN. The bottom teams are the low-payroll ones and the rebuilding clubs. I seriously doubt the Giants were in the bottom half of average age in 2008, when they lost Bonds and a lot of games yet still played guys like Durham and Winn over Frandsen and Schierholtz. Rich Aurilia appeared in 140 games that year. It’s hard for me to fault the Yankees for playing a bunch of likely HoFers that have been part of that franchise for their entire careers, and it’s even harder when they’re jockeying for first place in the toughest division in baseball. No matter how badly Jeter and Posada hit, can you imagine the backlash if they were benched? Can you imagine what would happen if their replacements didn’t hit IMMEDIATELY? The Giants, OTOH, are not and have not been in that position, yet they regularly employ one of the oldest squads in baseball. Maybe other franchises don’t get enough flack for their flaws, but identifying Sabean and veteran-lovin’ isn’t really a big leap, nor an unfair one.

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by quincy0191 on Aug 7, 2011 1:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

I took a look at “The Aubrey Huff Dilemma” thread, and therein lies the rub. Namely that Belt could use the consistent playing time and Bochy unfortunately for whatever reason won’t give it this year. So it’s not DeRosa vs. Belt, per se.

by xdorky on Aug 5, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

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by satyricrash on Aug 5, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm not convinced

I’m not convinced I’m not even remotely convinced that Posey will be starting at catcher next year. Screws in the ankle, cracked fibula, torn ligaments? Have you ever tried to hold a squat for two hours?

Try it after that sort of an injury.

The Giants are going to have an exceedingly interesting off-season.

by Ian A on Aug 5, 2011 5:03 PM PDT reply actions  

He'll be there

I have no doubt. The trainers said he’ll be fine to catch again, the screws are out, and if nothing else Buster wants to catch and I seriously doubt the Giants will so badly want to push Pablo or Belt/Huff off position that they force him to play third or first.

You should also consider that Buster isn’t holding a squat for two straight hours, he’s in the dugout sitting for at least as long as he’s in a crouch, and his crouch isn’t a typical catcher’s squat – he spreads his legs out a lot more than any catcher I’ve seen.

Lastly, I’m pretty sure it’s the knees that typically give out for catchers; I’m sure their ankles aren’t happy either, but that’s what seems to be a bigger problem than the ankle. The ankle is in a fairly normal position, basically the same as if you’re standing with your knees bent (which is the “athletic position” that many players across sports use)

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by quincy0191 on Aug 5, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would much rather see a suitcase of billions thrown at Reyes than keep Beltran.

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by bigboneded on Aug 5, 2011 6:22 PM PDT reply actions  

Both Reyes and Beltran will end up on the east coast. A suitcase of money would not convince Reyes to come here.

Go Giants

by Gianni on Aug 6, 2011 7:52 AM PDT reply actions  

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