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"The "free fall" didn't start 30 days ago, it started when Sanchez got hurt, (not Posey) and compounded when they sent down Crawford for Cabrera, shoved Schierholtz in left field for Beltran and kept playing Huff instead of benching him and playing Belt at first base and made no attempt to get a reliable catcher who could swing a bat and actually hit the ball."

The link takes you to an article where Sabean defends his actions and inaction, but the quote is from a comment. I think it nails it, as far as the specific things that went wrong. For the folks who want to go on about bad luck and injuries, including Sabes and Bochy, who keep saying things like, "We've tried everything", what do you say to these specific problems, indicated above?

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The difference between Cabrera and Crawford at the plate isn’t that great; Huff in August is hitting better than Belt (as a left fielder); Beltran is better at bat than any other Giants outfielder, so moving Schierholtz to move Beltran in was an overall plus; so that leaves the reliable catcher who can actually hit. I think that Sabean would deny that he made no attempt to get a reliable catcher who could hit; but one can see why he might well have thought that Stewart, who raised his average from .205/.295/.256/.552 in June to .243/.333/.324/.658 in July, might be a reliable catcher who could hit. Why Sabean wanted Cabrera over Crawford (and Fontenot) for the team’s sake is hard for me to comprehend, although I can see why he might not have wanted to expose the young Crawford to night after night after night of futility at bat. But I do think the injuries and bad luck did in the Giants, partly because of what I’m guessing was the growing sense that they were somehow jinxed, as the stream of injuries to their better players kept on unrelentingly—Schierholtz, Beltran, Romo, Wilson, and Sandoval (who confessed to Baggs that he was feeling like shit), as well as JSanchez.

by campanari on Aug 31, 2011 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

Jinxed?

They have NO hitting philosophy, and were lucky that 2010 was an outlier that didn’t punish them for that gaping hole, thanks to a number of surprise performances.

"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC

by hairball on Aug 31, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

The proof

Is that in recent years, the Giants have always been last or near last in key offensive categories, EXCEPT for 2010, when the stars aligned with Torres, Huff, Burrell and Ross, not to mention unexpected excellence from Uribe. This year is not a jinxed year. Last year we reaped the benefits of the exact opposite of a jinx, which is why everything feels so dramatically different this year.

"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC

by hairball on Aug 31, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Proof of What?

Your post was about “free fall” over the last month or six weeks, and some reasons you gave for its occurring. It was not about long-term deficiencies. I tried to show your original argument was flimsy, as you invited readers to do; and your dropping it perhaps suggests I was successful. You have now switched to a different argument bearing on a different period of time. I don’t have any objection to your “proof” that the Giants have in recent years had a lousy offense, though I don’t know that the lack of a “hitting philosophy” is the reason, or even a reason, for it. But I don’t know where you get the idea that I believe the team is jinxed, or that I believe in jinxes. I don’t. Baseball players, though, are notoriously superstitious, and might have a growing sense of jinx. When everything you’re doing sputters or fails, and key players keep on getting injured, you can either let your feelings coagulate into a sort of superstition (“it just wasn’t meant to be” = fate or jinx) or remain bewildered and gloomy, like Bochy.

by campanari on Aug 31, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

You're right

I kind of went all over the place here, and misread parts of your comment.

"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC

by hairball on Sep 1, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

It happened in the offseason when they to stand pat. The Giants aren’t as good as they’ve been over the last month, but they aren’t as good as they were through July either. We’re watching a .500 times finding its level.

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by Bhaakon on Aug 31, 2011 3:25 PM PDT reply actions  

Even if the Giants were 100% healthy (which is a long shot, you have to assume some injury), I don’t think they crack 90 wins. Losing Posey will cost them 3-4 W’s, Sanchez maybe 2, Sandoval maybe 1. That’s a lot, but probably not the difference between .500 and playoffs.

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by Bhaakon on Aug 31, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's more than just that though

J. Sanchez, Wilson, Romo, Ross, Casilla, Torres, Burrell, etc. Individually perhaps they don’t amount to much, but together that’s at least another few wins. I would also think that part of the poor performance when those guys haven’t been hurt is due to lingering injury – not all of it, but I find it hard to believe that most of those guys went from being an above-average regular to a below-average liability in true talent level. I think the injuries are playing a role in the poor performance.

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by quincy0191 on Sep 1, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Like I said

You can’t assume complete health. There’s be about 15 playoff teams if every player on every roster stayed healthy.

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by Bhaakon on Sep 1, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

The downfall started on July 29th. I think it was the first or second game Beltran played for the giants.

I’m not sure I would assign blame to any individual, the giants found new and
creative ways not to win, especially new and creative ways not to score runs.
But that was the night. That Friday night I believe, I felt that horrible feeling of
impending doom for the giants. I HOPE it reverses so we can go back to
the feelng of elation from 2010. If they can dump Rowand at 12 million, Huff
better start playing at 11 million. I thought it would be cheaper to send a
message by dumping Muelens or moving him to another job. But I guess
the team went Bold.

by bradleybear on Aug 31, 2011 4:49 PM PDT reply actions  

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