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Tuesday highlights from the Giants' farm: both Brett Pill and Raynor Campbell homered and singled.  Also notable, Stephen Yarrow had a grand slam among three hits.

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AAA: Fresno defeated Reno 5-2
(scoring three runs in the 4th inning)

Fresno: 1B Brett Pill: 2 for 4, HR
Fresno: 2B Bill Hall: 1 for 3, HR, SF, SO
Fresno: RF Brad Eldred: 3 for 4, SB

Fresno: SP Shane Loux: 6.1 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K--2 HR
Fresno: RP Dan Runzler: 0.2 IP, 1 BB

Pill had his 25th HR, and Hall had his 7th HR in 29 games with the Grizzlies.  Eldred had three hits, raising his AVG above .270.

Loux had his most effective start in a month, beginning with six scoreless frames before allowing a couple solo HRs to lead off the 7th inning.  Runzler got the final two outs of the 7th inning.

AA: Richmond lost to New Britain 12-3
(allowing seven runs in the 2nd inning)

Richmond: RF Francisco Peguero: 2 for 4, E
Richmond: 3B Chris Dominguez: 2 for 4, 2B, SO, E

Richmond: SP Chuck Lofgren: 1.0+ IP, 5 H, 7 R, 6 ER, 3 BB, 2 K--1 HR
Richmond: RP Austin Fleet: 4.2 IP, 6 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
Richmond: "RP" Skyler Stromsmoe: 1.0 IP, 1 K

Dominguez doubled and singled, but he has scuffled since the all-star break, hitting just .219/.236/.372 in 183 AB with 50 SO.  Peguero's third straight multi-hit game raised his AVG to .325.

After allowing a run in the 1st inning, Lofgren did not retire any of his six batters in the 2nd inning.  Fleet provided long relief.  Stromsmoe pitched a perfect 9th inning.

A+: San Jose lost to Bakersfield 11-6
(scoring all six runs in the 9th inning)

San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 1 for 4, CS, SO
San Jose: C Hector Sanchez: 1 for 4, HR, 2 SO
San Jose: 1B Luke Anders: 1 for 4, HR, 2 SO

San Jose: SP Tommy Vessella: 4.2 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 4 B, 2 K--1 WP

The Giants' offense was largely limited to the 9th inning, first with a two-run HR by Sanchez and then a grand slam by Anders, both with two outs.  Brown had one of the Giants' other five hits.

In three of his last four starts, Vessella has had 4 ER in less than 5.0 IP.  His ERA in his five Cal League starts is over 6.00.

A-: Augusta lost to Greenville 5-3

Augusta: 1B Ryan Scoma: 2 for 3, BB
Augusta: 3B Raynor Campbell: 2 for 4, HR, 2 SO, E

Augusta: SP Taylor Rogers: 5.0 IP, 8 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 5 K--1 WP
Augusta: RP Jose Valdez: 2.0 IP, 5 K

Campbell led off the 5th inning with his 7th HR.  Scoma also had two hits.

Rogers finished August with his least effective start of the month.  His ERA remains below 3.00.  Valdez struck out five of his six batters.  He has dominated since his demotion to the Sally League with 4 H, 1 BB, 0 ER, and 14 K in 9.2 IP over nine appearances.

ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Tri-City 2-1
(allowing a run in the bottom of the 9th inning)

Salem-Keizer: CF Jesus Galindo: 1 for 3, 2B, BB, SO, SB
Salem-Keizer: 2B Kaohi Downing: 2 for 4, 2 SO, SB

Salem-Keizer: SP Lorenzo Mendoza: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K--1 WP
Salem-Keizer: RP Keith Bilodeau: 2.1 IP, 1 BB, 2 K

Downing had two of the Volcanoes' four hits, edging his AVG up to .309.  Galindo had his 9th double and league-leading 43rd SB.

Bouncing back from his previous start (4 ER in 2.0 IP), Mendoza had one of his best starts of the year.  Although he has an ERA over 4.00, his peripheral stats remain strong, including a K/BB ratio over 4.00.  Bilodeau faced the minimum in 2.1 scoreless IP.

R: Giants defeated RedXXs 9-3
(scoring six runs in the 6th inning to win the playoff semifinal and advance to the championship game)

Scottsdale: 1B Stephen Yarrow: 3 for 5, HR, SO, SB
Scottsdale: LF Mike Mergenthaler: 3 for 3, 3B, 2B, BB

Scottsdale: SP Clayton Blackburn: 6.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 5 K--1 HB

Yarrow and Mergenthaler combined for six of the rookie Giants' eleven hits, highlighted by Yarrow's grand slam with two outs in the 6th inning.

Blackburn, who allowed just 4 ER over six regular season starts, delivered a quality start in the playoff opener.

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In other ridiculously depressing news...

Henry Sosa just pitched a 2-hitter, striking out 7 batters over six innings.

by Ian A on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 AM PDT reply actions  

eh

i just can’t make myself be sad about losing him. i mean… keppinger is basically directly responsible for three of the team’s wins this past week. it evens out i think.

by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Aug 31, 2011 2:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just winning isn’t too valuable though, without the playoff berth

by Hyoton on Aug 31, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair...

…we have Keppinger for next year, which is important.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 31, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, although if Sanchez is back, then he becomes essentially the RH half of a platoon split backup MI with Fontenot, which isn’t extraordinarily valuable.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

That said, the trade certainly made sense to me at the time, and Sosa’s history doesn’t scream overpay.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s also pretty standard fare for a newly promoted pitcher to enjoy much better initial success than his minor league record would suggest. It seems to me that a relatively large number (30-40%) of first-time starters come up and look really good in their first several starts. Then the league gets a book on them and they drop back into below-average options. Ryan Sadowski was a good example of this for the Giants. Sosa will fall back to the pack some time in September if they keep him in the rotation.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s got great life on the fastball, but he’s always had a terrible time keeping healthy. Also, he doesn’t have much in the way of secondary pitches. You’d think he’s best suited to a setup role down the line if he can beat the injury bug.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

And Sanchez probably doesn’t scream “sure thing” either.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 31, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

You’re referring to Freddy’s ability to stay healthy, not Jonathan right?

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 31, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I doubt Keppinger will be worth bringing back at his salary. He’s a good hitter for a shortstop and a good fielder for a first baseman.

by Evan on Aug 31, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

compared to some of the other guys on the team

he is Mickey Mantle.

Until Sanchez proves he can stay healthy, I think the Giants need to stick with him and Frodo.

by joe t on Aug 31, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

They’re paying Sanchez anyway, so one of those guys isn’t going to make the cut. Unless Fontenot is the everyday shortstop, in which case … yikes.

by Evan on Aug 31, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’m starting my Adrianza to the big leagues countdown now.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d be very surprised if Crawford doesn’t win the job. He’s a no-risk option and they need cheap players.

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by quincy0191 on Aug 31, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crawford hit .190. He may well win the job, but they’re sure to bring in an Orlando Cabrera type to compete with him, at the very least.

by Evan on Aug 31, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Nice starts from Blackburn and Mendoza. Hopefully they’ll be rotation mates in Augusta next year.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 6:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Joe Panik named NWL MVP

Nice debut, Joe!

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 6:46 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice!

Congrats Joe! Now just bring some more hardware to the big club and we’ll be all good

by Rdubya on Aug 31, 2011 7:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

I forget how the A ball exception works, but I think you can only use one player from the lower levels.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that it’s up to 2.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not both

They would both have to receive a low-level exemption and the Giants can only use 2 exemptions total for their 7 players. If Schulman’s tweet is correct (he stated the Giants will send Crawdaddy, 4 pitchers, 1 OF and 1 IF) then you have to figure that at least 1 of the low-level exemptions will be used on a pitcher. I can’t think of 4 pitchers in Fresno or Richmond that the Giants would want to send to the AFL – they’ll have to dip down below AA for at least 1 of them.
 
My guess: Crawdaddy, Peguero, Culberson, Hembree, Edlefsen, Osich (or Jorge Bucardo), Michael Main (or Rosin, or Kickham, or Bochy)

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

They quite often send middle reliever types to the AFL, so I could see them sending Verdugo, Edlefsen, Correa, and Runzler. Since his season was shortened by injury I wonder if they’d want to send Adrianza as well. He’d have to split time with Crawford, but perhaps they could put him on as one of those Tuesday and Wednesday only roster spots.

I still doubt Bucardo’s availability. And Main, oof. He’s really been awful at every level and in every role they given him. But Osich would be nice to see.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Verdugo would be a good candidate, but he has way too many innings on his arm already. He’s thrown 127 innings already, and is in line to hit 140 before his season ends. He’s never thrown more than 62 innings in any season previously. Correa is also a decent option, and I considered him, but I also thought that he was reaching the top end of his innings already. He’s got 74 already, and will likely be close to 90 by the end of the season. His previous season high was 90, but that was way back in 2007. I also considered Runzler, but on second thought I left him off because he must be no longer eligible by now.
 
I would love to see them send Adrianza, but the team already has a log-jam at SS with Crawdaddy and Jean Segura. There’s no way the Giants are going to send Adrianza to have him sit on the bench and then take starting time at SS away from Crawdaddy when he does play. The Scorpion roster has no real 2B option right now, so you have to assume that the Giants are going to send Culberson or Panik and their 2nd IF behind Crawdaddy.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

and as their 2nd IF behind Crawdaddy

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

All that makes perfect sense. The Giants usually surprise me with their AFL choices though, so I’m trying to think outside the box.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I’m sure they’ll have at least 1 surprise. It could be Panik, could be Osich, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was somebody not on my list.
 
BTW, here’s the rule on who’s eligible (I didn’t know that other countries had a “Primary Protected List”):

Each August, Major League Baseball clubs hold a position draft to determine the players who will go to Arizona. Most are Double-A and Triple-A Minor League players. Each club can opt to send two players below Double-A. Foreign players are allowed, as long as the player is not on his native country’s primary protected player list.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know that the teams actually got together for a “draft”, but it makes intuitive sense. You wouldn’t want one team to end up with five 2Bs or five 1Bs. Looking at the Scottsdale available roster right now, it seems obvious that the Giants will be sending a 2B as their second IF.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

how about Duvall instead of Culbertson?

he missed some time to injury this year and perhaps they can see if he can cut it against higher levels of competition.

by joe t on Aug 31, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I would love that – but I doubt the Giants would do that.

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by Lyle on Aug 31, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL..the Giants added Crawford to get out the AZL fan base..

This was Crawford walking out to warm up last night in Reno. Fifteen women waiting in line. Another fifteen or so were waiting as he walked off to start the game.

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by nvsfg on Aug 31, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heck, I’d wait in line for his autograph, and he’s not even my type (that pesky Y chromosome is a real turnoff, imho).

Brandon, if he does ever make it as a ML regular, could make lots of money as a spokesman/model on tv/radio/print.

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by Lyle on Aug 31, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Culberson’s got a pretty good following among the ladies, too.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

No one’s mentioned Dominguez or Kieschnick yet, who I think are the AA position players most likely to be selected. Hembree seems like a lock.

California Leaguers beware: Chris Gloor will strike you out faster than you can say "Quinnipiac", or he would have if he had pitched more than five innings this year before getting hurt...

by crazedcrustacean on Aug 31, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

IMO, very unlikely

1. The team already has Will Middlebrooks on the roster at 3B, but no real 2B. Sending Dominguez and having him sit most games while Middlebrooks starts at 3B would be a real waste of valuable roster space. Not to mention the fact that both Culbie and Panik are likely more highly-regarded in the org and would fit in perfectly at 2B.
 
2. Very doubtful that they would hand the one OF spot to Kieschy when Pegs and Brown would be available. The only thing that Kieschy has in his favor is that he wouldn’t require a low-level exemption (like Brown) and the possibiltiy that Frankie Pegs is on his countries “primary protected player list.”

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fall League selections

Because many of the Hispanic players have winter league gigs, they don’t often play in the AZ Fall League. I would actually be surprised to see Peguero, Adrianza, Correa, Bucardo or Hector Sanchez.

Pitchers are also tough to predict because of workload. I would hope for Surkamp & Hembree, but we might see a bunch of lesser prospects and repeaters from previous years.

by nelson95 on Aug 31, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hembree would have no issue with workload, but there’s no way they send Surkamp after how many innings he’ll have on his arm by the end of September.
 
As for foreign players, quoting from my own post above:

Foreign players are allowed, as long as the player is not on his native country’s primary protected player list.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Let’s hope that he ends up better than our last NWL MVP – Drew Biery.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Adam Duvall joins Sanford on the Sally All Star team. Jurickson Profar was the league’s Most Outstanding Player and Bryce Harper the Best Major League Prospect. Interesting they didn’t have a Best Major League Pitching Prospect; I’d assume that would have been James Taillon. Man the Sally was stacked prospect-wise this year. Manny Machado, too.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kieschnick’s playing time has gotten pretty spotty the last few weeks. Wonder if his back problems are flaring up again. He hasn’t played in a week at this point, and he had another week earlier in August where he went 5 or 6 games without playing.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 6:50 AM PDT reply actions  

Hopefully it's just a minor lower-body issue

Duvall got in a PH appearance last night, so he might be due back soon.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sure would be nice to know what Clayton Blackburn is throwing. Any scouting reports out there?

by Evan on Aug 31, 2011 7:03 AM PDT reply actions  

Can’t find anything. He’s not even in BA’s subscriber super scouting report pre-draft database. Whatever it is, he never seems to walk anybody, and he gets a crap load of gbs. Out of an 18 year old it’s hard to ask for much more than that.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d like to think that Blackburn is simply God’s way of telling us that it was okay to trade away Wheeler.

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by Lyle on Aug 31, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

http://www.perfectgame.org/players/playerprofile.aspx?ID=184467

A lot of it is for premium subscribers (which I am not) but there are a few interesting things. In 2009, as a sophomore in HS, he was pitching with an 82-84 MPH fastball that was supposed to have good movement and a tight curveball.

Then, in 2010, the specific scouting report is locked to us lowly folk but they do show his fastball as being clocked at 90 MPH. A 6 MPH bump from the previous year, which I find pretty impressive (although maybe thats normal development at that age for a strong kid). He had a great year in 2011 (see FLA’s original recap in the draft threads) so I imagine his FB has continued to improve and if he had a working CB in 2009, I’m going to guess that he’s got that pitch in his repertoire currently

http://www.prospectwire.com/pw/players.php?playerID=5567137

This site lists 3 pitch types from 2010: Fast ball, curve, and change up. Seems like the change up might be a little wonky (low 70’s from a 90 mph FB).

Thats all I could find and take it with a grain of salt since its all from last year and I don’t know much about either source

by Rdubya on Aug 31, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

From what I’ve seen of how PG works, there’s actually no more scouting info available on Blackburn from 2010 even if you were a premium subscriber. As for Blackburn’s 6 mph jump in velocity between the summer of 2009 and 2010, that’s pretty standard stuff for the higher-level HS pitchers. Sometimes it happens while they’re still in HS, and sometimes it happens in college or the pros. Wheeler, Crick, Brandon Allen all saw the jump while they were still in HS, while Hembree, Dunnington, Kickham, Bochy, and Marlowe didn’t see their big jump until after they graduated – and a few of them were sophomores in college when it happened.
 
I think that it’s a pretty good guess that Blackburn’s FB was still topping out at around 90 mph during his final HS season this spring. If he was able to touch mid-90s then he would have been much more highly-rated and written about given his stellar stats and plus, plus control against the highest level of competition in Oklahoma this year. I’m guessing that his FB must have a natural late sink to it for him to get so many groundballs. If so, then you would think that his ceiling would be something along the lines of Brandon Webb – but most guys rarely reach their ceilings.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a little chubby coming out of HS, so my conservative instinct is to go ahead and assume a Stephen Strasburg development curve for him the next three years.

There’s no flaw in that model, is there?

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

Too conservative

Think two years.

;)

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by Lyle on Aug 31, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rookie Ball

There’s an interesting article up at BA (sorry, subscriber only) that essentially takes as a starting point Paul Goldschmidt and Altuve’s ommission from their Rookie League Top 20s two years ago, and looks for what numbers appear to be predictive stats in Rookie Ball.

Without going too much in depth, looking at a pool of all future major leaguers who have graduated form the Appy or Pioneer League since 1990 and then dividing them into categories based on major league PA, the two things that the future big league regulars clearly “did” better was Contact Rate and Age. Amusingly, neither of these things help describe Paul Goldschmidt’s rise: he was both old for rookie league and made poor contact and consequently has had to prove it every year (his .300 Iso did jump out though!).

Anyway, interesting read for those who can get it, and a reminder to myself of the importance of Contact at a young age as a hugely important predictive skill.

One reason why I’m really turning around on Panik (who I might end up ranking #2 in the system this year) is the BB>K ability he’s shown this year. He’s had great contact rate that allows his admirable patience and acceptable power to play up. And at 20 he’s actually on the youngish side for the NWL. He’s looking like he could be as fast a mover as Kolten Wong who’s also had a great pro debut.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 8:42 AM PDT reply actions  

Why don’t you suggest that they do the same exercise for pitchers?

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

That puts Shawn Payne’s season in a pretty nice light, although he is about 15 months older than Panik. Of course, Payne’s plus, plus defense in CF gives him an advantage over Panik’s SS defense.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Looking at the table, those 15 months are a huge difference. Also re the pitchers, I’ll do that though in general the randomness and ubiquity of pitcher injuries always puts a ton of noise into attempts to study young pitchers.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

#FreeWillyMo
#FreeRansom
#FreeBowker

by Rdubya on Aug 31, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, that wasn’t a necessary response. Also, even though I dont think Pill is an upgrade anywhere in our lineup, after the past month I don’t even really care any more. As long as they don’t do something stupid with the 40 man

by Rdubya on Aug 31, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is funny, because Bowker is now on the Phillies’ big squad, as of today.

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by kdl on Aug 31, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, more of a poke at how good performances in the PCL don’t mean all that much. Hopefully Bowker finds more success in Philly!

by Rdubya on Aug 31, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw they aquired him. Did they really put him on the 25 man? Guess he’splan B after Cust failed huh? All part of their inexplicable Dom Brown dislike?

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

RAJ really is looking like a weird GM. The Phils have been extremely successful, but most of that is from players acquired by the guy before him. He took a franchise coming off a WS win and hasn’t brought them back despite significantly upping payroll and making extensive use of a good farm system. There is certainly playoff weirdness to be blamed, but he’s made a lot of iffy moves and a lot of bad decisions along with a few good ones.

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by quincy0191 on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah it's weird

I mean I’m very happy for Bowler but if they want a LH power bat, Raul Ibanez would be perfect for that role and Brown as the starting LF would improve the team both offensively and (especially) defensively

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by Gobroks on Aug 31, 2011 12:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yep
To make room for Bowker on the 25-man roster, the Phillies optioned right-hander Michael Schwimer to Triple-A Lehigh Valley.

Also,

The Phillies had been looking for a left-handed bat for some time, especially with Ross Gload nursing a hip injury. They had hoped to land Jim Thome, but he recently went to the Cleveland Indians.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110830&content_id=23946878&notebook_id=23979330&vkey=notebook_phi&c_id=phi

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by kdl on Aug 31, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let the debate begin...

Since I’m reading the minor lines when the announcement was made, let me be the first to welcome Brett Pill to the Giants. And to say goodbye to Miggy and Rowand – two of my least favorite Giants in recent years are now gone. Sayo-fuckin-nara losers!

California Leaguers beware: Chris Gloor will strike you out faster than you can say "Quinnipiac", or he would have if he had pitched more than five innings this year before getting hurt...

by crazedcrustacean on Aug 31, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

I for one welcome our new Pill overlords!

I’m with Crazy Crab. Tejada and Rowand gone is cause for joy (especially Rowand because of 2012 rosterbation). Good luck to Brett Pill. The next month is his shot to be a 28 year old rookie next year and have a big league career. I don’t expect it, but I wish him well.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Giants eat magic Pill...

and inflated contracts.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 31, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Cavan

I don’t know too much about this kid but I noticed how he has that rare ability (among Giant’s hitters at every level in the organization) to draw a walk. His numbers don’t jump out but at least he’s consistent.

What’s his outlook? Seems like a decent prospect

by bernardking on Aug 31, 2011 10:59 AM PDT reply actions  

He had a pretty decent year in Augusta, but his numbers in the Cal League have actually been slightly below average for the league. In particular, some of his power has dissipated while going from a poor power league to a high power league. So that’s not great. His D has gotten very good notice though.

I’d say he’s a prove it every year kid who will have to keep plugging away and take advantage of opportunities if he’s ever to get a shot.

I’ll be interested in seeing what Duvall does next year in the Cal. He’s walked even more than Cavan and had huge power in a difficult environment.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Cavan’s relative lack of power in the Cal this year is a real red flag. A .428 SLG and .167 ISOp, is disappointing when compared to what he did last year. It’s especially disappointing in light of the fact that for most of this season he’s had the advantage of hitting in a lineup surrounded by guys having good offensive years and he’s had a lot of guys on base during his ABs.
 
Compare what Cavan has done this year (during his age 23-24 season) to what Culberson did at SJ last year (during his age 21 season) and you can see why Cavan has been a bit of a disappointment.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pill

I’ve always pushed for a Pill Pop but after participating in daily conversations on this site for the past month I think I’ve reversed my stance. His OBP% is pretty low which doesn’t bode well.

I guess what I’m saying is that I’m expecting the worst, which is a BA hovering around .220
Anything more than that and I’d be very surprised.

I think this website turns us all into cynics!!!

by bernardking on Aug 31, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Maybe he’ll pull a Shane Spencer!

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

Beat LA! Beat AZL LA!

AZL Giants up 1-0 through 2 innings.
Joan Gregorio got the start and has set down all 6 hitters that he’s faced.
The Giants would be up 2-0, but Yarrow got thrown out trying to score on a sac fly to RF in the 1st inning.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 11:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Giants up 2-0 through 4 innings

Gregorio has allowed only 2 hits and 0 BBs with 4 Ks

Some crappy baserunning by yesterday’s hero, Steve Yarrow, so far. He got thrown out at home in the 1st, and then got thrown out trying to steal 3B (!) with 2 outs and Eric Sim (one of the Giants best hitters) at the plate in the 3rd.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess I understand wanting to win, but I’m disappointed by the lack of PT for Leonardo Fuentes the last few weeks of the season. He’d been in a slump, but he’s also probably the highest upside hitter they have there and they’ve buried him behind a lot of 22 and 23 year olds.

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by Roger on Aug 31, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The daily lineups in both Scottsdale and S-K have been very questionable this season. Does John Eshelmen really need that many ABs at this point in his career? Why hasn’t Mike Murray played a single inning at 1B or C this year?

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dodgers up 4-2 through 5

Gregorio imploded in the 5th. He gave up 3 straight hits to start the inning, allowing 1 run to score and putting runners on 1st and 2nd.
Eric Sim then air-mailed a throw into RF when the next batter laid down a sac bunt in front of the plate.
The 2nd run of the inning scored on that play and put runners on 2nd and 3rd with no outs.
Gregorio bounced back to get a K and the first out of the inning, but the next batter hit a GB single to RF to score 2 more runs.
Miguel Ferrer replaced Gregorio and he got the next 2 hitters out with no more damage done.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

I stand corrected, Sim’s throwing error was to 3B. He was trying to get the lead runner on the sac bunt.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fodgers win 4-2

Baseball fans across the nation are crestfallen.
 
The AZL Giants never can seem to win the final game, despite almost always having the best record n the league. Mike Goff seemingly left Gregorio in too long, despite having a deep, dominant and rested pen. The Dodgers rode the Giants’ sloppy play in the field and on the basepaths, and their own timely hitting to the championship. Four of the Dodgers’ 7 hits came in a span of 6 hitters in the 5th inning (when they were also aided by 2 Giant throwing errors on the same play) to score all of their 4 runs (1 unearned) .

The Giants had a runner thrown out at home attempting to score on a sac fly, a runner thrown out at 3rd with 2 outs on an attempted steal, and a runner picked off at 1B with no outs. They also had runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs in the bottom of the 9th and couldn’t advance them even one base.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

Gary Brown was named California League ROY

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 31, 2011 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Brown and Panik both get top marks in their leagues. Seems to me they are the #1 and #2 prospects in the system, at this point.

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by Lyle on Aug 31, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t put Panik as high as #2. Still too many questions about his power and defense.
 
Ad for Brown being the top guy in the CAL, is that true? Is the ROY the same thing as the MVP? I’m guessing that somebody besides Brown was named the CAL MVP.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

JoeRitzo Joe Ritzo
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Gary Brown named California League Rookie of the Year today. Brown, Tommy Joseph and Craig Westcott are all postseason All-Stars.

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 31, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw that

My questioin is, why so they call him ROY? That seems a strange way of saying MVP. I’m guessing that there is an award for MVP i the CAL, and that Brown did not win it.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

As I guessed...

http://www.oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=4287046

Modesto Nuts Outfielder, Kent Matthes, was named the Cal League’s Most Valuable Player

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 31, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Since I’m not expecting any power from Panik, I don’t see his “lack” thereof as a real concern. I do see Brown and Panik as almost-sure-fire Major Leaguers (along with Heath Hembree, who I would rank #3). To me, those 3 are clearly by themselves at the top of the organizational heap.*

*This assumes that Belt, Crawford, and Surkamp are no longer eligible for any “prospects” list. Your mileage may vary.

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by Lyle on Aug 31, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Belt and Crawford are no longer prospects because they’ve used up their rookie status. Surkamp will still be a prospect for 2012.

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by Roger on Sep 1, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wouldn’t be overly worried about Panik’s power. A .130 Iso isn’t that bad for a MI and I haven’t heard anybody suggest he couldn’t play a good 2b. The fact that he has nearly as many XBH as K is a pretty powerful testimonial to me that his power will play up. For this year anyway, he’s showing more power than Freddy Sanchez or Jeff Keppinger did at the beginning of their pro careers, and Panik’s doing it at a younger age.

I’m not sure about #2, but there’s certainly an argument to be made there. It all depends on how sold you are on Peguero, I guess, because there’s no other candidate for the #2 spot it seems to me.

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by Roger on Sep 1, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

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