Assigning Blame
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 30, 2011 10:55 AM PDT
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I like to use 2008 as a demarcation line for a couple of different reasons. First, I'm strangely obsessed with Jose Castillo. I study him like Raymond Babbitt and "Who's on First?" One of these days I'll unlock the riddle; one of these days I'll realize there is no riddle. Jose Castillo.
The second is that it's the first year without Barry Bonds in the lineup. It was tough to separate the contributions of a .999 OBP from the rest of the lineup, making it hard to tell how successful the roster construction really was.
And in 2008, here were the presumptive starters:
C - Molina
1B - Aurilia
2B - Durham
SS - Vizquel
3B - Castillo
LF - Roberts
CF - Rowand
RF - Winn
I didn't want to put Bocock up there because the Giants weren't expecting him to start on Opening Day. The Giants couldn't account for freaky things happening, like a 41-year-old players getting injured, so they were caught completely unawares.
That's a lineup we can -- and did -- look at and say, well, that collection is going to be awful. Vizquel was coming off a miserable year, as was Durham and Dave Roberts. Molina had a sub-.300 OBP. Rich Aurilia was horrible the prior year. Jose Castillo was Jose Castillo. Three-quarters of the lineup was coming off an absolutely miserable year. That's an amazing way to start the season, especially when you think that Rowand was one of the potential bright spots.
That lineup stunk. There was no way it wasn't going to stink. It irritates me today to look at that lineup and think that people who are paid to construct major league rosters studied that bunch and said, "Well, can't improve on that."
Here were the presumptive starters for 2011:
Posey - C
Sanchez - 2B
Tejada - SS
Sandoval - 3B
Burrell \
Ross \\
Torres - OF/1B (pick four)
Huff //
Belt /
You don't need to justify Posey and Sandoval, of course. Freddy Sanchez earned our respect, with the caveat that he'd need a decent backup because he was fragile. Mike Fontenot was an acceptable contingency plan.
Burrell's signing was considered a financial coup. No one was arguing that Ross should be non-tendered because, hey, hero. Also, his average year is pretty darn okay. Torres was awesome last year, both at the plate and on the field. Belt was the new Posey, but longer.
I didn't think Huff would crater. Oh, it was in the back of my mind, sure.
My biggest fear is that if Huff craters and goes down a dark, Randy Winn career path where he just can’t hit at all, there’s no way that Bruce Bochy will recognize it in time. There’s a perfectly plausible scenario in which Brandon Belt is hitting .370/.450/.640 in Fresno through July, and Aubrey Huff is hitting .189/.265/.302, Detroit-style, for game after game after game after game.
Whoops! Belt hit .320/.461/.528 in the minors this year. I was way off.
But while I knew that Huff wasn't going to be All-Star caliber again, I was hoping that he'd settle in at a perfectly acceptable middle ground. After his stellar year, that wasn't crazy talk -- it's not like he had some fluky .480 BABIP in 2010. He was an awesome hitter with a great approach just a couple hundred days ago. Predicting that he would be overpaid relative to his production as a first baseman: okay. Predicting that he'd be a disaster even if he were a slick-fielding second baseman: overly cynical jibberish.
Tejada was likely to be bad. His OPS+ last year was 92. I thought that would dip a bit. It went down to 66. Good gravy.
Loooooooooooong point short: The worst part about this season is that it's a little intellectually dishonest to blame this year all on Sabean. Injuries took out over a quarter of the players up there. The thin tendrils of suck grabbed the rest with the exception of Pablo Sandoval, who was actually one of the biggest question marks entering the season.
Having a scapegoat is fun. I like pretending I'm smarter than the people in the front office. This year, though, it looked like the lineup was going to be just fine. Turns out, every single one of those players is hurt, stinky, or Pablo, who was also hurt. That's the worst part about this year, other than the losing and disappointment and losing: the blame goes towards the fates or the players themselves.
I don't like blaming the fates or bad luck. Makes me feel like a weenie.
I don't like blaming the players. I like most of them. As much as I hate watching them struggle, I'm sure they're having a worse time of it.
I sort of enjoy blaming Bochy for playing Rowand too much, and for burying Belt for the first five months of the season, but that's not the reason the Giants stink. Maybe 10% of it, if that.
This is why I have to crumble the blame into a poisonous little ball and hide it in my subconscious. I approved of the plan this past offseason. I didn't even mind Tejada that much, considering the alternatives (though I regret not whining more about not getting J.J. Hardy). Turns out it was a crappy plan because the crappy hitters have been crappy, crappy, and crappy. Also, poopy. But that's in hindsight.
This is also why I have such loathing for Orlando Cabrera -- there was absolutely no question that he was going to be awful. Called it! See! See! That only goes so far, though. This season needs a better scapegoat, and we aren't going to get one.
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I’m not really mad at them for being so god damn terrible. Just frustrated.
by fishmicmuffin on Aug 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s 100% fine to blame Sabean for the SS situation. Almost everything else falls under the “sometimes the dice come up snake eyes” theory.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
I agree. He should have had a reasonable contingency for Tejada. This is especially true because covering up his fetid stink was bound to be much more difficult with the absence of other key players like Posey and Sanchez.
Sabean also had from early May to find a replacement for Posey.
If he was willing to part with Wheeler, he should have turned him into more than 8 weeks of no-compensation-Beltran.
I won’t even mention Tejada/Cabrera, because everyone’s in a bad mood already.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
The hard part about spending Wheeler for a C is that Posey was going to be coming back next year anyway.
I wasn’t saying Wheeler for a catcher. Just more than what we got.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Yea but...
… when the deal happened, we thought it was going to be awesome. There really wasn’t any reason to suspect that Beltan would stink as much as he does right now. I mean.. what kind of sick joke is it that when we replace Cody Ross with Carlos Beltan our team starts hitting worse?
Come to think of it.. what kind of sick joke is it that our most clutch player in this home stand has been Mark DeRosa? Sometimes you just have to throw your hands up and say “well.. thats baseball for ya.”
we thought it was going to be awesome
“we” had more than one opinion. Including mine that while Beltran was likely a good addition, the price was too high, and didn’t really address our most glaring issues
(I apologize in advance if that’s what you meant by “awesome”).
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Basically, this. I didn’t think anything anyone could do in 2 months was going to equal Wheeler (and not just because I was a huge Wheeler fan and he was the one guy I didn’t want them to trade).
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Sure.. but did you really think the team would start hitting worse with him in the middle of the lineup instead of Huff?
I see Huff out there every day still. I’m the kook who proposed DeRosa instead of him. But to get to your point, no, I didnt think Beltran’s production would be what it is. I also wasn’t surprised to see him injured.
And going fwd, I wouln’t be surprised to see Sabes overpay for him AGAIN next season as a FA. Once bitten, twice bitten, and all that.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
And overpay somebody will… Boras is Beltran’s agent, we’ve seen how well the Giants and Boras work together. < cough > Zito < cough >
This
made me think it was going to be a losing proposition.
He plays great in 2011, we’ll likely sign him to a 3+ year extension for 15+ million.
He plays poorly for the rest of 2011, we won’t re-sign him, and Wheeler is now gone for absolutely no good reason.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
or
He plays okay and the Giants get him relatively inexpensive.
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there is Jered Weaver
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You probably shouldn’t just say “we”. I was for the trade but I know a good bunch here weren’t exactly stoked about it.
by chilibean_3 on Aug 30, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
How's that matter?
They traded him for a rental. If they’d traded him for a rental catcher, that guy would be gone next year when Posey was back.
Not addressing SS and C
was a big part of the downfall, no doubt. It’s not the only piece of the puzzle, but it is the single biggest controllable piece.
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I dunno… it still, even with all the injuries, it still doesn’t seem like the best possible lineup was put out there on the field everyday.
I agree it sure “seems” like it, but considering the many variations of lineups that have been thrown out there and subsequently sucked as much as all the others…the truth is probably that at the moment (and for the last month) there is no possible combination of the available semi-healthy players that would constitute an ok lineup, let alone a best possible lineup.
The best possible lineup is obviously something to the tune of eleven squared different lineups over the course of the year.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame Grant
He lifted expectations. It’s Grants fault. (I like shooting the messenger.)
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by GiantMalcontent on Aug 30, 2011 11:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I still maintain that the worst thing Sabean did this season was to think it could be fixed by the addition of Carlos Beltran, Orlando Cabrera, and Keppinger’s bat.
The Cabrera thing was unconscoinable. I think the other two can be justified well enough.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
See I don’t mind the Cabrera trade because Thomas Neal is probably going to be best known for his tweeting. I agree that it was a horrible trade, but nobody will remember it in year. Same probably goes for Keppy though what I saw from Henry Sosa last week was disquieting. Wheeler is going to hurt for a while.
The worst thing about the Cabrera trade is that the Giants would have lost it if they had given the Indians nothing.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Thomas Neal’s tweeting is more valuable than Orlando Carbrera.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It's cool with me though
Other than the playoffs, my favorite things are the offseason and the trade deadline.
I hope it’s an interesting offseason.
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Isn't that a curse?
“May you live in an interesting offseason…”
by Every6thDay on Aug 30, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
To a certain extent, interestingness is its own reward, though
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’m not sure how you can enjoy the offseason more than the season, but whatever.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Doesn’t enjoy the games.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
/gets in on this.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The money and value stuff is fascinating to me
I’m fascinated by the process more than the results. Though I still watch all the results.
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Cause and Effect
The San Francisco Giants have the lowest BABIP in all of baseball.
The San Francisco Giants have the lowest wRC+ in all of baseball.
One of those things led to the other. I am not sure which leads to which. A team that does not get on base and have no power relies nearly 100% on BABIP. When the luck is going good, it wins games. When the luck is not going good, it loses games.
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This isn’t the sort of team that’s very likely to have a high BABIP, anyway.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Aside from which, it’s not the kind of sample that is subject to wild statistical deviations. If the team BABIP is low, after more than 5,000 plate appearances, it is more – more – than fair to say that is a product of the hitters being shitty.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless somebody wants to make a compelling argument that BABIP hasn’t stabilized by 5,000 plate appearances.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
The BABIP for players over an entire season has very little to do with luck. Even if they are posting numbers at an unsustainable rate, high or low, if they’re doing it over an entire season they’re probably squaring a lot of balls up or none at all.
Or in other words, the Giants have a lot BABIP because they aren’t hitting the ball well, not because the balls just aren’t finding holes.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
For Me this Still Goes on Sabean
His “problem solving” this year was atrocious, sure guys got injured too bad now go fix it properly then if that team loses… too bad.
by haroldandsivakumar on Aug 30, 2011 11:03 AM PDT reply actions
But isn't it hard to hand out a grade when you have no idea what his options were
The thong is, it happened.
This
It takes two to make the deal, and every other team in the league knew how desperate we were. Also in June nobody was in any hurry to make a deal.
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I think it's fair, though
I mean, replacing Posey’s production with Whiteside and Stewart? How is THAT a viable option?
Replacing Tejada’s lack of production with Cabrera’s lack of production? Really?
I don’t get it. There HAD to be some better options out there than that.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
As opposed to
replacing Buster with…seriously freaking Nationals were asking for Brown (I believe) for Pudge
There are no SS available period.
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I'm sure there weren't any better options available
Honestly, I can’t fully blame Sabean for that, either. Not much available means not a lot you can do.
At the same time, it’s seems like there are organizational philosophies the Giants have a hard time overcoming that just cause them to have a losing offense.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Realistically, the only bullet I can think of that Sabean could yet fire
Would be to pull off a trade for Lance Berkman, who somehow cleared waivers.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Please no more bullets. Somehow all the ones he has fired so far have ended up striking us in the face.
Not saying I'm for or against
Just saying that if Sabean wants to make a move, that’s the move.
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Pretty much
Or we could start Brown in CF
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Better player, yes
Team needs a spark. Last year Ford “stealing” the game vs COL 9-1 was a big spark.
Brown starting is a hail mary, but watching the same crap is less interesting.
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Team needs to play better
You do that by playing your best players.
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nah
you’d be verucaing him along with Belt pretty quickly.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
eh
I think anyone who might make it through waivers at this point is going to be too little, too late.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Save that bullet
Lance Berkeman will not dent .288 team wOBA.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Isn't Berkman's wOBA over .400?
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how much will his 90 at bats change the team wOBA considering he would replace Belt in the lineup?
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
As much as any one guy could, I guess
Berkman is a very good hitter.
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Can Berkman play C or SS?
then he’s useless
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Adding another OF, however good
only drains the team of high value prospects and doesn’t address the true needs of this team:
Offense/Defense at SS/C
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
The true need of this team is to play better
Berkman would be an upgrade over anyone on this team, wherever he played.
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That's a different issue
But Berkman would not be useless.
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If Berkman is traded for, then:
1) Belt’s playing time is reduced
2) Bad gloves and worse bats at SS/C
3) Gary Brown/Surkamp could be Cardinals
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
You're changing the subject
I didn’t say BERKMAN IS A GOOD IDEA NO MATTER WHAT YOU TRADE FOR HIM.
You said Berkman is useless. He absolutely is not.
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Berkman is a very good player
but the Giants will have to play multiple .200 BA hitters at SS/C. Automatic outs will negate Berkman’s effect. I’d prefer making smaller moves (i.e. Carroll/Hernandez) which address the real weakness of this team. Acquiring Berkman or Beltran looks good, but does not address need.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
1. Re-sign Beltran
2. Make him take a bunch of ground balls in the offseason (like 10 or 15 per day)
3. Opening Day SS!
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No, it does not negate Berkman's effect.
If you have an 800 OPS hitter and a 600 OPS hitter, and you replace the 800 OPS hitter with a 900 OPS hitter, you’ve improved your offense, even if the 600 OPS hitter is still there.
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1) Huff would probably see the axe.
2) That’s part of the situation now. Getting Berkman doesn’t make it worse.
3) Surkamp can’t be traded.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
you really think Huff would sit?
Really?
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
If the Giants got Berkman, the choice would be rather clear.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
yep
Huff would be in LF, Belt on the bench.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Bochy has made it clear that he’s going to start Belt every day at this point. That’s the silver lining to all this.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Indeed
but if Berkman shows up, Belt will probably sit.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Search your feelings
you know it be true
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
the sick part
Berkman makes 2/3 of what Rowand makes.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Strike out all of the hitters.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Belt not playing is played out
He was not good in April
He got beaned midseason, lost about a month
He is playing now
Rowand… they keep looking for a spot for him to do well at.
He hits lefties!
/proceeds to suck at hitting lefties
He can PH!
/proceeds to suck at PHing
Most of those PH appearances he did well was in Philly, when the crowd cheered for him. Hitting solo home runs down 4 runs in the 8th does nothing for me. (or similar story, I am not going to look this up)
Rest of the team… ick
Nate has also been a mostly bright spot surprise. Offense just seems better with him in there, ignoring his averagish numbers (good on this damn team)
Belt had 60 PA in April
Braves stuck with Freeman through his struggles and were rewarded.
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Ergo Belt would have done the same?
Dunno that one. Hindsight 20-20
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by GiantMalcontent on Aug 30, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Bottom point
Belt is playing now
Giants were not losing when he wasn’t there.
Until we know how Belt progresses, you can’t tell me him starting months 1-4 would be helping us in month 5 either, that is another armchair GM “told you so” moment.
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
I posit that Belt would be better today if he had more ML at bats instead of getting yo-yo’d.
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He never should have been sent down.
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I can understand the camp that wanted him to start the year in AAA but if you tell him he’s the starting day 1B then he needs to stay with the big club and get an extended chance IMO.
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Who ever told him he was the starting day 1B?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Bruce Bochy?
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No, I’m pretty sure that didn’t happen.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He was the opening day 1B so somebody must have told him.
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Ah, yes, this is true. He did play first on opening day. I was confused by ‘starting day’, which I took to mean ‘every day starter’. That was conditional on Huff being able to play outfield, and pretty much everyone knew it. I am virtually certain that nobody told Brandon ’you’re the new everyday first baseman for 2011’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It seemed clear at the time that he was on the roster only because Cody Ross, and he would most likely be sent down when Ross came back. Which is perfectly reasonable.
I didn't think that
Huff only played 1B twice before Belt was sent down. I mean, I understood that the guy with the options might go, but it seemed odd to dump Ishikawa at that point if they weren’t going to stick with Belt for more than 2 weeks.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
What about the camp the thinks he was the starting 1B because was Ross was hurt?
Is it ok for me to think him being sent down when the team was at full strength was ok?
The thong is, it happened.
Of course it's ok for you to think that. I disagree though.
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I was okay with it at the time. Didn’t know he was going to get called up twice after that, though.
In retrospect, I wish they would have either stuck him in Fresno and kept him there until he hit his way out, or gave him and MLB job and stuck with it.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
This
I wish they would have either stuck him in Fresno and kept him there until he hit his way out, or gave him and MLB job and stuck with it.
It was apparent that he was going to hit his way out too.
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It’s okay to ask a guy who’s only had those hitting mechanics for one year to prove it in the minors.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
I think that might have been "the plan"
But any plan gets chcuked out the window when half your roster goes on the DL at one time or another
The thong is, it happened.
Then why didn’t he come back when Torres got hurt? Or when Burrell got benched? Aaron Rowand?
That is cray-z.
Exactly
Gotta go with proven suck than a potentionally impact bat because its a “known quantity”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
He went down to learn LF
It is all hindsight stuff.
If he played all year, everyone would be arguing his lineup spot.
He is playing now, why is that not good enough?
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
It is all hindsight stuff.
There were many who thought it was BS that he got sent down at the time. This is not hindsight stuff.
If he played all year, everyone would be arguing his lineup spot.
You don’t know that.
He is playing now, why is that not good enough?
Because he could be better than he is. I’m of the opinion that he would have been worth a few wins too.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I won't disagree with anything you said, but
being beaned means being hit in the head. At lot of sportswriters and sports “personalities” don’t even know the meaning of the word these days and it ticks me off to see them talk about a player being “beaned” in the leg. Bean was a slang term for head way back before the second World War and you can’t be beaned anywhere else.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 30, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
how is beanie babby formed?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I blame global warming
and fish sticks.
Needing a parka to watch a night game? Welcome to Giants baseball.
Obviously injuries are far and away #1 to blame. Sabean is #2
Allowing Bruce Bochy to do to Brandon Belt what he did is awful. You’re his superior. Put your foot down. Instead he was an accomplice.
Tejada being terrible was blatantly obvious. The JJ Hardy or Bartlett moves were so so much better it’s ridiculous. I maintain we could have gotten one of those guys for less than Wheeler and Thomas Neal. Which leads me to my next point.
When things went to hell he paniced. Wheeler 4 Beltran. Panic. Neal 4 Cabrera. Panic. The single biggest upgrade this team needed was at catcher after Posey went down and he did nothing.
All I trust Sabean to do is dumpster dive and listen to Dick Tidrow about what pitchers to draft. Other than that please go away. I can’t wait until someone other than Brian Sabean is the GM.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Bartlett for me is on the pile of fungible SS options available in the offseason if the Giants want to be boring about it
Also on the pile are Jamey Carroll, Omar Infante, Alex Gonzalez, Clint Barmes… it’s a big pile.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
blargh
Tejada. $6M. Blargh.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Not running out a bunt
while making 6 mil should be a capital offense.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
I don’t think I could handle Alex Gonzalez. His hack attack has been teetering on the brink of disaster and I think he is almost there. .
597 OPS this year? 18:111 BB:K ratio? 34 years old? No, just no, no more of that.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 30, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like an old version of what we got out of Brandon Crawford this year.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
More or less
The preference order for me is Reyes > Rollins > Carroll > Infante > Bartlett > others
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
damn
those first 2 are super pricey, especially while still paying Rowand/Zito. If only Zito would retire..
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Someone send him culinary school brochures. Start tempting him.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He does and he also has a gun and a terrible beard, but no….
I can’t, I just can’t. I really think we need to make an effort to get some guys who take some pitches.
As rotorueter said, I would take Crawford over Gonzalez in a heartbeat, because he is younger and because he takes some pitches and his defense is probably close to as good as Gonzalez.
Gonzalez is fine on a really good offensive team where he can sit in the 7 or 8 hole and just try to hit the ball to the moon every time through the lineup.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 30, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Susan! Get Alex Gonzalez’ agent on the phone! You know, the guy on the Yankees that used to play SS!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd take Infante on a 2 or 3 year deal
Decent bat, can play all over the field if Crawford or Adrianza develop.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 30, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree that the injuries have destroyed the season, although some of them could have been avoided. The “been there before” crowd, I assume, tend to get injured much more frequently than younger players. Sabean literally went with the same team that beat out the Padres by 1 GAME!!! for a playoff spot, and had an awesome unforgettable best run ever to the World Series. Signing Tejada we all knew was going to end poorly, and basically we were in the same situation this year as last: let’s hope there is enough offense to maybe squeeze by and win some games. Re-signing Huff for 2, 22 mil sucked because it blocked Belt, but nostalgia got in the way. Belt should have been here for the entire season, even if he struggled at the beginning of the year. He was taking walks. He was having long at-bats. He actually was trying to do something good at the plate.
In that vein, the Giants let Freeman struggle and he was pretty bad for the first two months, but has now picked it up to become acceptable. The difference was the Braves were committed to him and let him stay at first base as a regular, regardless of the actual numbers he was putting up.
agreed
Freeman has been worth 1.5 War according to Fangraphs. (and that is with negative UZR and Baserunning) & wRC+ 126
Belt: WAR .5 (in only 142 PAs), wRC+ 96
Huff: WAR – .9, wRC+ 81 (525 PAs!!!!!)
How the fuck has Belt only had 142 plate appearances? That is absolutely absurd.
Counter point
Sabean literally went with the same team that beat out the Padres by 1 GAME!!!
But he essentially brought back the team that beat the Braves, Phillies and Rangers.
A full year of Posey, Ross, Burrell, Lopez, RamRam, Casilla and a rebuilt Panda made the 2011 team pretty good looking on paper.
The thong is, it happened.
Expecting similar production from Huff or much of anything from Tejada and not having a better backup catching plan were certainly not helpful.
by Every6thDay on Aug 30, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Upgarding the backup catcher was my cause here during the off-season
I advocated signing Victor Martinez and platooning him and Posy at C/1B
The thong is, it happened.
Also, SS was a huge concern, despite the pathetic options available at the time. Tejada as the starting SS was asking for trouble.
Fontenot as the backup SS was less worrisome than Whiteside as th backup C
In my mind, anyway
The thong is, it happened.
Agreed. If I remember correctly, Fontenot had a 275 BA (or higher) as a regular player for the Cubs last year
by ExPFCWintergreen on Aug 30, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Huff would have a higher on base percentage, but my main concern is that the Giants’ organization seems intent — and I am accusing them of doing this on purpose — on ignoring any value of a high on base percentage.
by Every6thDay on Aug 30, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
That was pretty evident
When they had aaron rowand as the #1 leadoff option on last years team coming out of ST.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
the playoffs are SSS
our offense still needed to be significantly improved in order to have a reasonable chance to repeat.
Did it?
An offensive upgrade would be nice, but they were above average last year despite heaping helpings of Molina, Renteria & Rowand. As I said before, bringing back the mid-season improvements should have been an overall upgrade.
The thong is, it happened.
The team that essentially beat the Braves, Phillies and Rangers was the best team ever, for sure, but they were the underdogs in every one of those series, and thankfully Brooks Conrad was the second baseman for the Braves or it could’ve been a very quick playoff exit for the 2010 Giants. Instead they won the World Series.
Full year of
Posey: Would have been awesome, so sad. so sad.
Ross: Average player, not spectacular. A good signing.
Burrell: Cheap, hopeful production/power/strong at-bats off the bench, and cheap
Lopez: Miracle. Also, he only should pitch vs. lefties
RamRam: um, i guess
Casilla: ok
Panda: Awesomeness in its fullest ness of awesome
Belt: Should’ve had a full year and would’ve been huge upgrade over Huff, or should have had at least opportunity to stick around for year as 1b or LF
Nate: averageish
Tejada: BAD BAD BAD
Freddy: averagish
Where does the offense come from? Posey, Panda, Belt, too bad Huff bad, Ross’ hot streaks, Torres. Offense was hoping to be average. Hoping.
Counter point #2
Re-signing Huff for 2, 22 mil sucked because it blocked Belt, but nostalgia got in the way.
Your hindsight might be guiding you. At the point where the decision was made to re-sign Huff, Belt was a huge question mark, with only 492 minor league ABs. He hadn’t had the brilliant spring training and banking on him as the starting 1B whilst trying to defend the title would have been highly questionable.
And besides, when Huff re-signed, he even talked about beling willing to move to the OF so as not to block Belt.
The thong is, it happened.
Yah, although I did want Belt to play the full year before the year started and his hot start in Spring Training (sss and practice).
I had read something by Keith Law about signing Huff very bad bad decision and how the team hadn’t improved in the slightest from the previous year when the Giants barely made the playoffs, and now everyone was a year older, and that the only possible upgrade the Giants had was Belt. And Belt wasn’t going to get a chance to play. Those thoughts haunt. It might have been a lot of pressure on Belt to be the starting 1b on the defending champs, who knows, but how it turned out seems like maybe everyone was feeling pressure.
I'm not sure I 100% agree with your conclusion
The Giants offense was going to be league average AT BEST coming into the year. There were several question marks even around the “good” offensive players. (Example: Huff had a history of being inconsistent and following up good years with bad years…we’re not talking about something completely unforseeable like Albert Pujols becoming a Mendoza line hitter.)
Now, several things went wrong and the Giants became a hideous offense, but if you’re crossing your fingers hoping everything breaks right in order to have an average offense, then the GM isn’t exactly doing a great job.
but if you’re crossing your fingers hoping everything breaks right in order to have an average offense, then the GM isn’t exactly doing a great job.
This, I think, is the bottom line.
2011 SF Giants: We are disappoint.
Szymborski has a free agency article up on ESPN insider
The Giants portion:
San Francisco Giants
The Giants brought in Miguel Tejada as a one-season fill-in, and after that turned out pretty badly, they rushed Brandon Crawford, who proved unready for the majors.
The team then turned to Orlando Cabrera, who promptly forgot how to hit upon his arrival in San Francisco (although he’s still a fine defensive player). He’ll turn 37 in a couple of months and is unlikely to be brought back as a starter.
Giants shortstops have combined to hit a woeful .208/.263/.292 this season. Given the obvious hole, the lack of a ready shortstop prospect, the general lack of offense and a championship-quality pitching staff, how can the Giants not seriously go after Jose Reyes this winter?
Sure, a player like Rollins would be welcome, but the Giants are in the perfect position to go all-in on the best shortstop available. The Mets will make a run to retain him, but their financial situation in the wake of the Bernie Madoff scandal is murky, and it’s hard to know how much they will spend this winter.
Couldn’t agree more.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Then hurry up and lose a bunch of games so we have a protected first round pick
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
We're close!
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/reversestandings/
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
yesssssss
Just need a losing record!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
HAVE I GOT GREAT NEWS FOR YOU!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
So we have choices this ofseason at short
Sign a guy with leg injury history or sign a guy who also has a history of leg injuries. I’d rather go for Rollins out of the two shorter deal than the massive contract it will take to land reyes
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
by Falconer88 on Aug 30, 2011 11:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
But Reyes is also younger and better
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
So the giants should spend 6/140-ish to get Reyes?
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by Falconer88 on Aug 30, 2011 11:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
ish.
I’d prefer closer to Zito money, but that’s the ballpark I’d accept, sure.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah, we can go for Reyes after his next contract expires.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Sad but true.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Um no
The team then turned to Orlando Cabrera, who promptly forgot how to hit upon his arrival in San Francisco (although he’s still a fine defensive player)
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Crawford turns 2 last night
Last night ends 2-0
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
WOOHOO!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Even Fontenot
Why is he 3rd string SS? He can be a shitty hack too, but at least he has a 2 double game once a week. Is it because he is the only LH hitter left on the bench?
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Agree. Maybe even better.
If they get out of the inning down 2-0, they’re still in the game. Who knows what could happen? Pressure stays on Wells, so maybe he starts nibbling and opens the door with a walk. You just can’t tell. Once it’s 5-0, everyone knows it’s game over and acts accordingly.
Giants baseball: Together We're Crippled
by TheAntiBork on Aug 30, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL THAT
Seriously fuck Miguel tejada and Orlando Cabrera
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by Falconer88 on Aug 30, 2011 11:17 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He is not a fine defensive player. That’s just silly.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably oversold it. But still, he’s world’s better defensively than Tejada was.
by D.Szymborski on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Tejada fell down as you typed that.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
As I told Logan on twitter, I think you guys have repressed memories of Tejada’s defense. Cabrera’s at least a major leaguer defensively – Tejada now fields short worse than a drunk guy having a grand mal seizure.
by D.Szymborski on Aug 30, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m with you on Tejada. Not sold on Cabrera though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I don't know what Cabrera's UZR and other defensive numbers look like.
But no stat is going to convince me that he is anything but terrible.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Cabrera certainly looks like he’s decently capable. He looks smooth, shows decent range. He’s had a hard time actually fielding balls though.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Cabrera has better range than Tejada and Fontenot (and I'm sure Keppinger)
Having watched him, make some plays none of those guys could make, I think he’s better than them, but has been victimized by a few bad plays that seemed to have come at the most critical times.
I don’t think he’s “good”, but don’t think he’s nearly as awful as some here believe he is.
The thong is, it happened.
I might have been able to swallow ‘barely acceptable’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Cabrera is a fine defensive player???
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
When he came to SF....
But he had an OPS+ in the 60’s before he got here, so there wasn’t a lot to forget.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Aug 30, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean
last real SS prospect? Royce Clayton? Any real near misses in recent history?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
no, really
Not even of the Damon Minor-type prospect, right?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
It's better to have loved and lost
than never to have loved at all.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
even better to have loved and won
Giants baseball: Together We're Crippled
by TheAntiBork on Aug 30, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
That's what people who have loved and lost tell themselves.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
In life, the losing generally stops once the love is gone.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Anyone have an idea of what happened to Carlos Beltran?
His line in 72 PA as a Giant: .286/.306/.414 with 16SO and 2 BB’s. Is it the obvious, “he was trying to carry the team so he was swinging at everything” explanation? He just stopped walking altogether. It is pretty unprecedented in his career.
That’s pretty SSS. Combine that with his injury and lack of live hitting for… what, like 3 weeks.. and I find it hard to complain.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
WHAT IF I CAME HERE TO COMPLAIN?
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by Falconer88 on Aug 30, 2011 11:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree about the injuries and SSS and all, but his career line is 282/.360/.494. I think you can explain the dropoff in SLG% by injury and SSS, but the walk rate is pretty dramatically off. In over 400PA as a Met this season, he walked 60 times or about 14% of his PA. In his 72 PA as a Giant, he has 2 walks or about 3%.
According to my quick math he would need 8 more walks in 72 PAs to match his Mets average. That doesn’t seem like too many. Maybe one of the nerbs around here can tell us how quickly BB% normalizes.
Perhaps Sabean had some guys in black suits show up at his door and politely tell him that this team doesn’t take walks. Either way I think 72 PAs is not enough to go off of.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
You are probably right. The problem is that when the season ends in 27 games, the 2011 season will be over. Come next Spring, I will expect this team to be competitive again and the boatfire that was the 2011 season will be a distant memory. However, the fact that we traded our number 1 prospect for 2 months of Carlos Beltran will haunt me for a long time.
Yeah, I think it’s safe to say the trade is a bust. I still hold out hope for Beltran though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
2008, what a brutal lineup
C – Molina
1B – Aurilia
2B – Durham
SS – Vizquel
3B – Castillo
LF – Roberts
CF – Rowand
RF – Winn
To me there are two big fat open lies that Sabean has told repeatedly:
1) I’m only getting these veterans to surround Bonds in an effort to win it all as long as he’s here.
2) We can afford JT’s lack of power at first because Kent makes up for it at second.
His unchanged strategy despite both of these variables changing just proves to me he was openly lying.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Aug 30, 2011 11:19 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
To be fair
Ray Durham was awesome.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
He would have been a better option than anyone the Giants ran out there in 2009.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
The only thing Burriss did well was getting on base in that one game for Pablo’s walkoff.
Then again, Giants may have never gotten Freddy and who knows what happens.
That is cray-z.
I still don’t understand why they kept running him out there instead of Uribe.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Seemed like there were a lot of older players, implicated or not, who the league sort of just ignored into retirement as the steroids furor was entering its denoument.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Denouement
But bonus points for using it correctly in a sentence!
(And yes, this will be on the Final).
2011 SF Giants: We are disappoint.
See, this why I hate browser spell check. I knew it was wrong, but it didn’t flag that so I let it ride.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Ray Ray
Ray Durham was awesome.
But not the point of the Sabean position. The question was always about having sufficient power in the lineup, not overall awesomeness.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
He was on the 40 man for some reason, so he got DFAd
I don’t know if we know where he’ll end up yet. My guess is he stays here.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I think you’re probably right.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
If he was released, does that mean that the Giants released him or he requested? Because they could have just held onto him right?
Typically, when a guy gets put on waivers and no one claims him, he returns to the team. If they want him gone, they usually do an “unconditional release,” which they didn’t do.
Where are you getting the information that he’s gone?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
from the mlb giants transacs site
08/29/11 San Francisco Giants released LHP Clayton Tanner.
Oh
I knew he’d been let go to make room on the 40-man. But when you said “gone” I thought that meant someone claimed him, because if no one does that means the Giants get to keep him. (I think.)
that's what I thought too
But, apparenly he is gone-gone.
As long as were going turbo-negative, anyone care to wager on when the Giants will be no-hit. Seems like its bound to happen and probably by someone like Wells.
"What makes you think you're Jesus Christ?"
"Well, when I pray I seem to be talking to myself"
I've decided to blame the Baseball Gods
I think last August the BGs sat down with the Giants organization and made a deal. The scene played out something like this:
Gods: “We promise you a World Series Championship this year, but --”
Giants: “We’ll take it!”
Gods: “You’d better hear us out.”
Giants: “We’ll take it!”
Gods: “Listen up! We promise TGWTWS, BUT 2011 will be a disaster. Of historic proportions.”
Giants: “We’ll take it!”
Gods and Giants shake. The rest is history.
"Whatever you do, don't let them hit it to me" - Kuip to Kruk, spring training 1983
...
I still take it, altough the right now part of the deal sure sucks eggs.
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on Aug 30, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Awesome.
"He forced it to go in the net, and that's a good thing." -Jerry Reynolds
"He's gonna get a big hug, and I'm gonna hang on for a while." -Duane Kuiper
This is amazing
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Aug 30, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Amazingly, the Giants tweeters are losing the head and shoulders hatsoff competition. The reds lead by about 300. Both are in the 22k range.
Wait, it's a competition?
Now I’m rooting for our spammers.
GO SPAM GO
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
z
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May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions
If this mean we're making less accidental clicks on the Joe Mauer thingy
then we’re winning.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
I know the consensus is that Fontenot should have been in the lineup last night instead of Cabrera. Other than that, the lineup seemed relatively reasonable (maybe not Cabrera at the 5 spot). Yet, complete game shutout by Randy Wells.
I guess my question is: what could Bochy be doing now, and moving forward, that could help?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Playing Fontenot at SS is my only real gripe
And resisting the urge to play anyone but Torres in CF. And continuing to play Belt.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Stop letting Aaron Rowand on the field.
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by jhiat00 on Aug 30, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
This has got to be priority #1.
It is beyond a no brainer.
Just do it.
Now.
DFA.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 30, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
probably not
but i do appreciate DeRosa owning his shortcoming as a Giant, and his recent passionate play in his limited PT
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Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Busting mad hits all before our eyes
Pill strawhats can claim rib eyes
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PILL POPPER
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Show the hitters that Bugs Bunny cartoon where the hitters keep the line moving?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdhftriXIrk
nothing Bochy can do
Paychecks need to be earned
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Thanks for everyone’s answers. I blame Sabean for a lot of things, but I’m having trouble mustering much anger toward Bochy at this point.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
There's not much to blame Bochy for right now
But there’s plenty to blame him for this season, starting with the way he’s dealt with Belt – refusing to play him even when he had him and he was healthy, and also, there’s really no excuse for all the PT Rowand has gotten.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I agree that Bochy has done a lot of things wrong, lineup wise, over the season. Some might be haunting him now: for example, Belt might have been better had he been given more playing time. But, I feel that even if he put the best lineup possible out there (assuming such a thing exists), the individual players would still suck offensively. Maybe that’s wrong; but it’s just what it feels like right now.
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Given how terribly all the alternatives have played, it’s alarming how little of a slice of the failure pie belongs to Aaron Rowand.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
yes
so it shall be
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
LoL Giants
Getting desperate to sell those tickets?
SRO tix $5/LB tix $12 #SFGiants
“Even when we were mired in an endless spiral of suck, the place was still sold out.”
Well I never took sellout to be a literal term. I think sellout is really a certain age of capacity. Like 95 of capacity is a sell out.
Sales on Stubhub have really fallen away in the last few days (you can see the sales listings if you’re re-selling season tickets that way). The Cubs games are usually pretty busy and late demand is high – this year, not so much.
We usually go to a game a month, sometimes 2 a month. This year not so much, and we won’t be going to another game this season. So 3 games this year? 4?
Dunno- just today I sold my Sept 11 tickets for $160/each which is the second highest price I have gotten all season.
Interesting – we were seeing pretty good sales this year until the last week. The Giants ticket emails are starting to take on a slightly desperate tone.
I was surprised
to see empty seats/sales for the only Cubs visit of the season.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Cubs
The Cubs games are usually pretty busy and late demand is high – this year, not so much.
Cubs games are usually a hot ticket because of local Cubs fans and Cubs fans travelling here. With the Cubs out of it and a poor economy, I’d blame that as much as the Ginats’ current woes.
The thong is, it happened.
Plus
School has already started most places. Usually the Cubs would be here in the summer so a family could mix in a trip to the game during their summer vacation.
He said capacity is 43, 902 or something
And paid attendance was like 43, 106 or something
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 30, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
here it tis
The Giants announced another sellout, but I call BS. Attendance is 41,063. Capacity listed at 41,915.
Your Eyes Aren’t Lying, But MLB Attendance Numbers Are
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
‘Capacity’ probably includes SRO tickets… maybe the SRO’s don’t need to be sold in order to qualify for a sellout.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think so
In his blog Baggs referred to the 41,900 as “seated capacity.”
Yes, this is correct. The SRO is listed in Wikipedia as 1,500, in addition to the 41,915 seated capacity. Shenanigans it is.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that I disagree, but I don’t know that I’d trust Wikipedia in this case. The capacity has changed every year, and it’s not always public.
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by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants website lists it as 41,503, which I’m skeptical of, but still is more than 41,063. I don’t think they reduced capacity…
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Doubtful
Though possible. Maybe they added some seats in places that fuck with ADA, or maybe certain seats are now obstructed with the addition of railing or whatever.
What I do remember is a nice, consistent 40,930 every day in 2000 (I was an usher).
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by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
that was pre-reconfiguration, ditching Rusty, putting people in those field-level pits, and I forget what else.
Basically, it’s all a bunch of marketing blather.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t think sell outs had anything to do with attendance. Couldn’t you sell out even if only 5 people go?
That is cray-z.
From what I can tell
You are getting people/suppliers buying the tickets and then selling them on StubHub
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by Badly Browned on Aug 30, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
It’s sold tickets, not turnstile. But if the capacity is 41,900 and you sell 41,000 tickets, how can you call it a sellout?
I don’t think a sellout means 100% of tickets sold, I believe it’s a 90-95% [maybe higher] tickets sold.
I believe a common practice is to call it a sellout if only singles and SRO remain. Whether they actually met that standard last night, who knows.
That would make be a reasonable standard
900 singles though?
Please no
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I smell a drastic overpay upcoming
either this yr or Reyes next year
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yeah, that's what I was referring to
I don’t like the sound of Grant’s last tweet.
by Merope on Aug 30, 2011 11:24 AM PDT
MLBTR speculates that we could get Joe Nathan
Hah. Can you imagine?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
so
Wilson’s done for the year, then?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
they were saying that they weren’t going to bring him off the dl right when he was eligible. Whatever that means.
yeah
if they really are still shopping for RHP relievers that tells me Wilson is done. And that trading any person of value for a closer would be flat-out crazy.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
/head explodes
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Are you man enough to take it?
I MADE $970,000 LAST YEAR, THAT’S MY NAME!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
NO NO NO NO NO
The Giants are among the most active teams on the trade market; Morosi says they’re seeking bullpen help and maybe a bat. Nine relievers are known to have cleared waivers, while others such as Chad Qualls, Jamey Wright, Matt Capps, Todd Coffey, Mike MacDougal, Octavio Dotel, and Joe Nathan could be available in my estimation. More speculation from me: position player targets could include Jose Molina, Ryan Doumit, Melky Cabrera, Marlon Byrd, and Angel Pagan.
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Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls Do NOT get Chad Qualls
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Oh FFS Sabes, back away NOW!!!
also of note, “maybe a bat”??? why maybe, if he was ever going to make a trade he better be getting a freaking bat!
double negative
SS and C
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This belongs here
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Octavio Dotel
WHY?
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
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I would not mind Molina at all.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
flagged
don’t even.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Bullpen help?
That’s completely idiotic. How much could a relief pitcher help in 27 games?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 11:56 AM PDT reply actions
The good news is that the inflection point is now.
By next Monday, we will all pretty well know whether there is a shred of hope. They could be 1-3 games back or they could be 6-9 back.
Silver lining
The Giants currently own the 20th overall pick in next year’s draft. If they continue on their current run scoring binge then they’ll easily earn a pick in the #11-15 overall range. That will mean that they can sign a type A FA without fear of losing their first round pick in the draft. Of course, the comp rules may change when the new CBA is signed off on, but I’ll take a top 15 pick any year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
More like 5 or 6 years. In 2-3 years we’d actually get more than 2 months of Fielder (more than likely)
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
well, years of contract remaining
he could still eat himself out of the lineup
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Your mom's a girl
So...
How many careers is this season going to end? I’ll start…
Tejada, Cabrera, Rowand, Burrell.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Aug 30, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
see you next year Rowy
3/1/2012: Best shape of his life!
4/1/2012: Valuable RH pinch hitter!
5/1/2012: Platoony Toon SSS Adventures!
7/1/2012: Wait, what’s that breeze?
8/1/2012: WTF is this shit?
9/1/2012: DFA
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Even with the “every other year success”, I fear what Huff’s 2012 is going to look like.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I don't
I think if they make Huff a part time player and LH pinch-hitter he might do OK. Yes, it’s a waste of $11M, but it’s (still) not my money.
It’s the panic OF signing I fear.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I think if they make Huff a part time player and LH pinch-hitter
Do you think Bochy agrees?
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
over under 500 PA's
I think we all know the answer to this.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
no
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately 2 of those 4 players will each get 300+ PA's with the giants next year
The worst part being rowand will be one of them and will most likely be held onto the entire year.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah
I honestly don’t think Rowand will be back. Spring training DFA is my guess.
This is the same team that bid against themselves for tejada
I hope you’re right but I doubt it I seriously think this orginization values aaron rowand.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
"He took great swings throughout spring training"
“He’s really commited to turn it around this year and carry this club and I think he will”.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Best shape of his life!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear there's a conspiracy
All the other teams agree to not throw Rowand any sliders in ST so he looks good, gets playiung time and screws the Giants
The thong is, it happened.
Has to be
Feed aaron rowand fastballs so his manager gets high on him and faps to the baseball card and doom the giants season.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I think everyone in the org has given up on him.
Wouldn’t be surprised if he left via an Alfonzo for Finley type trade.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
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When you are the Psychos friend you Always have an alibi in court — she wasn’t making sense, blah, blah, blah, it’s a perfect murder.
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it is the starting pitchings fault.
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It's the pitchings fault
Extremely poor W/L record getting the veterans morale down.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly,
I blame Scott Cousins. I also think the players are human beings who went through a lot of (mostly good) stress last year, had very high expectations and were handed an inordinate amount bad luck this year and are mentally and physically worn out. Just looking at Tim’s face last night told it all; there’s only so much of this shit you can take and still perform.
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
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there’s only so much of this shit you can take and still perform.
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Timmy had his "fuck all of this!" moment last night
man, do I feel for him.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
I also say 'good for him'
with the way to offense is playing, they should be hustling their butts off, not throwing a tantrum because they had to bunt
The writing was on the wall when tejada was sabeans "biggest offseason pick up"
The fact that he bid against himself for one of the top 5 worst players in baseball and had him slotted to start at SS on a contending team will continue to baffle me even after he’s mercifully let go someday.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
So now that everyone has written off the season,
FINALLY, can we just bring up the babies and let them play? One of the things I’ve enjoyed this year is seeing Crawford and Belt. It’s just way more entertaining to watch someone who is young, hungry and eager to learn than a dude who thinks he’s entitled to play because he was good 10 years ago. (Or one year ago.)
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
But Crawford is pretty terrible at the plate. Not much fun there.
by Every6thDay on Aug 30, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Needs to botch more routine double play balls.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I enjoy watching him hit—he has a plan at least. I hope his bat comes around. I’ll continue to support his efforts.
Cabrera and his ilk are—in addition to being bad players—symbols of the backward thinking that populates this team’s roster and lineup card.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
And the GM that covets said backward thinking players.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Edgar Gonzalez!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
If we had any good babies, I'd agree.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Are they going top play the youth or not?
Whats the point of watching anymore games if they’re not going to the playoffs and not doing anything dramatically different?
I’d like to see the young players get plenty of playing time. They’ll at least be fun to watch. Release guys like Tejada and Rowand if they start complaining. They arent doing anything to help the team win and they wont next season either.
I hope Bochy and Sabean are just waiting until September to start doing it.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions
The fact that no giants players were put on waivers is telling
It’s gonna be a veteran love fest from here on out.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would they have given indications of moving players before? It’s only now that they are pretty much reasonably certain of being out of it. Bochy doesn’t have any excuses to play his veterans everyday, and Sabean’s failures are exposed.
Time to move in another direction and look to the future.
Rowand
Tejada
Cabrera
Zito
Whiteside
need to go
Huff should be the primary pinch hitter. DeRosa can stay because he trully is a positive clubhouse guy.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hope to see all the trash on your list non existant in september
Unfortunately I see all of them playing heavily except zito.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Aug 30, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
even in the most recent really bad years I don’t recall the Giants going with the all rookie / youngin lineup until maybe the last 2 or 3 games of the season.
This is the same team that played randy winn non stop during 2008 and never once entertained trading him when he was clearly at the peak of his value,
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
This is a unique time. The fans want to enjoy the games again. This is one way they can make it happen.
Play the youth and it’ll be interesting for sure.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
best post I've seen
this has to happen, without a doubt
So you want to keep DeRosa in some sort of coaching capacity?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Serioulsy! they put no one on waivers?
I guess there’s an assumption that it would be a bunch of unnnecessary paper work, but, WTF?
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
It’s because they were going all in, I would assume. They just thought that it was pointless and it would indicate to the vets that they could be moved.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt that
Teams put many, many, many players on waivers. They usually don’t announce it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone could argue with that.
So why not just release them? They’ve got big egos and useless skills.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
because
it costs money. And yes, sunk cost blah blah blah, but they’re not writing a check to make Zito go away. Maybe Rowand next year, but not now.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
And where will Zito fit in next season? Three guys possibly fighting for one spot in the rotation, with Zito the worst.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Those things are all true. They aren’t writing him a check.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like I heard somewhere that Zito gets put on waivers every year (and in the off season). No one claims him, because who would want to pick up that salary?
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OT: About to start my Bi-Annual 2 hours of Sexual Harasssment Training for Supervisors
Thanks Arnie!
Do they teach you to always use a subject line when posting a picture of boobs?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I could probably sexually harass someone without any training. But at least you’ll be sure you’re doing it correctly.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I dunno, that could be taken the wrong way, too. God knows I get pantsless as soon as my office door closes.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
So basically
curl up in a fetal position in the nearest broom closet, praying no one knocks.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
good luck!
I’m sure you’ll be much better at harassment when it’s over!
And shouldn’t you blame whatever litigation/claim involved a settlement requiring same?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
That is why I blamed Arnie. I was under the impression that it was a claim against HIM that resulted in this.
could be
They’re always in response to something.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
UPDATE: Pretty sure that opening MCC at work constitutes "Inappropriate Visual Contact"
Examples of inappropriate visual conduct include:
-Pornography
-Sexually suggestive screen savers
-Cartoons or pictures that depict either sex in a demeaning way
-Leering or staring
-Sexually explicit email messages
Some of those Niemann gifs of Natto’s probably qualify as at least 4 out 5 on that list.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone made an innocent remark to me at work and was let go. I wasn’t offended at all, but someone else heard it and complained.
See, that doesn’t seem right to me. Harassment is repeatedly disturbing someone. If it was a one time incident and it didn’t disturb the person who was involved, how can that be a fireable offense?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That is not what harassment is, or that is not a fireable offense?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s still in training, cut him some slack.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It is probably harassment, but it is not “Severe or Pervasive” and thus would not in my mind rise to the level of being a fireable offense
Correct
It can be harassment if a different person than the one to whom the comment was directed gets offended. That’s the “hostile work environment” thing. But if it’s truly a one-time thing, no way could it be grounds for termination.
I do these trainings every year...
And there’s also the one on ethics, and my personal favorite, money laundering!
Oh no
But I work for a large financial corporation. There’s a lot of mandatory online training; presumably some of it’s mandatory, and some of it represents an effort to shield the company from litigation.
if they're annual
and mostly the same-old same-old, it’s defensive/preventive. If all of a sudden employees are commanded to do a training that seems different than those before or focuses on one thing, it’s probably a reaction.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The trick is only using about half of the recommended detergent.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
‘At-will employment’
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I remember now. The guy wasn’t an employee of my firm, but a contractor/vendor who was on assignment. After the complaint, he was asked not to come back. He wasn’t fired, just relocated.
Yeah, sorry. The guy was nice and funny, and I honestly don’t know why she was so offended. She’s just a blabbermouth.
Jealous of the attention you were getting. If she couldn’t have him, no one could!
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Here you go...
Nick Notsofunny is an employee at a parcel delivery company and delivers packages to the campus. Nick frequently stops by Admin Alex’s desk because he finds him very attractive. He likes to tell Alex racy jokes and make comments about his physique. Alex is very uncomfortable with these interactions and has complained to his supervisor about them.
Which of the following should the supervisor do?
(You may select more than one option.)
a. Report the conduct to the Sexual Harassment Officer.
b. Share the complaint with Nick’s employer and take no further action since it’s Nick’s employer’s responsibility.
c. Assign another person in the office to accept parcels from Nick.
d. Talk to Nick and tell him his behavior is making Alex uncomfortable and it must stop.
e. Ensure that Alex knows about the Sexual Harassment policy and campus resources available to him.
f. Get the disciplinary flame thrower and solve things the old-fashioned way.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
option j
whip it out
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Now I want to know what he said.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
You misspelled in.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Mrs. Disaster lurves the hairpin.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I have actually seen a couple of these
In our training courses.
Maybe we can get Berkman and Lee
Tell Belt, Huff, Berkman and Lee to huddle around 1b and tell the Pitchers they got runz now, just have to strike everyone out.
You know who I blame? Bike thieves.
And it is my opinion that those who steal bikes should be castrated with salt and acid poured into the wound, both their kneecaps shot out, their face melted off like in Raiders of the Lost Arc, given small pox, impaled through the stomach, rolled around in more acid, set on fire, have toothpicks shoved up their fingernails, and then be slowly crushed by a large boulder.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
You’re scary.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Someone stole your bike?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. I live over a mile away from campus and don’t have a car, so my bike is pretty vital for things like getting to class, picking up groceries, and so on. Plus, it was my graduation present, so there’s some sentimental value attached.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
LOL BICYCLISTS!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s been about two weeks, but yeah. That’s why I’m so pissed off.
Plus, it made me late to class, which is always so embarrassing.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
I think bicyclists should be ticketed 10x more often than they are. So many are menaces on the streets. I’d love to see them start getting $300 dollar stop sign/red light tickets. Speeding tickets.
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
good
either that, or don’t punish motorists for riding them down when they behave like jackasses
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
around here you see them, not the cyclists, but the random “I ride a bike cuz’ I’m too poor for a car” types talking on their cell phones while pedaling down major streets.
i’m particularly enamored with: traffic signs don’t apply to me cuz i’m green cuz i ride a bike. (flips you off for slamming on your brakes and honking to avoid hitting them)
I miss old san francisco
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s jackass behavior, all right, and it’s all too common. Just this evening, as I was riding home, I had to try to read the mind of a nitwit cyclist jabbering on a cell and careening all over the lane.
But the number of cyclists I see talking on cellphones and paying insufficient attention to the road is orders of magnitude fewer than the number of car and truck drivers I see doing the same thing. And the cyclists ain’t doing it while driving two-ton deadly weapons.
they just don’t think traffic laws apply to them
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
note
SIDEWALKS ARE NOT ROADS FOR VEHICLES
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate the cyclists who talk on their cell phones. Hell, I’m not a big fan of pedestrians who are talking on their cell phones either, just because both groups tend to make last minute changes in direction that often goes right in front of another cyclist.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
A pedestrian was killed by a bicyclist earlier this month.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
exactly. down on embarcadero. ran a red light
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
A bicyclist was also killed (by a truck) when making a turn by Fremont and Mission. When a bicyclist is killed, they put a painted white bike at the location of the accident.
Just pointing out that the ‘we can’t kill anyone so traffic laws don’t apply to us’ mentality that seems so prevalent amongst massholes is logically unsound. Traffic policy needs to include bicycles and bicyclists need to act like adults if they want to share the roads.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
I’d like to see bicyclists ticketed more often for reckless behavior. But every day in the Financial District I see five cars running red lights with a ton of pedestrians around. Bicyclists seem like a small-bore problem by comparison.
Speaking of vehicles, this is a scary week in the Mission. People who have not ridden anything other than a skateboard or a fixie for the last year are renting motorhomes and preparing for Burning Man.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
In East Sacramento there is a problem with that
People often run stop signs, run red lights,and ride double and it’s a huge problem.
Rally Jerry!
Greekfro (insert unnecessary scribbles)
"Stupid dog, you make me look bad!" -Eustace Bagg
I blame Grant Brisbee
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
How bad has Aaron Rowand been since the last time he took a BB?
when was the last time Aaron Rowand took a BB? July 5th. Check out his line since then:
103 PA, 0 BB, 26 k, .203/.203/.330
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
bork bork bork
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Valued by the manager and orginization
LOL giants
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Pretty much.
My frustration is that this team should be better than it actually is. They are all performing so horribly at the same time. Sucks.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
By the way, somebody please tell capn, that I’d like to file a claim, as soon as he gets out of training.
I don't think Sabean should be the scapegoat
But at the same time, all these injuries are covering his mistakes.
There’s just too many to name…
lol awesome
SFGiants San Francisco Giants
Six Flags Magic Kingdom welcomes birth of #BabyGiraffe – Names him Brandon after #SFGiants Brandon Belt atmlb.com/nezh6q
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 30, 2011 1:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
/small town 22 year old feels pressure
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Why isn’t he suited up to play?
Slacker
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Omg, he’s so cute!
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Stop sexually harassing the Brandons! Have you learned nothing?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I have learned that I lawyer wrote this training module. How do I know that? When I get an answer correct, it tells me that the answer was “Probably” or “Possibly” correct, but never just “Correct”
iLawyer?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
With iLawyer, you don’t have to!
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It just means, no one really knows the answer until you get a jury verdict or an appeals court decision.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
/lawyer’d
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You are a smart iLawyer. I just got my first plain old “Correct”… But do they really think I will sue them if one of the answers they say is correct is later deemed incorrect?
People sue for a lot crazier things.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I can’t believe certain crappy cases even make it to trial.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I said that to the judge during voir dire in the hopes that the would toss me. I had been on a rape trial in the past and said that this case was completely trivial and I did not understand how they were wasting everyone’s time with it. The plaintiffs were representing themselves and were not impressed with my statement and kept me on the jury.
He doesn’t work with either of them; he can harass them all he wants.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
So when is this Giraffe is being sent to Six Flags in Fresno?
by capn on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
Diamondbacks?
Anybody but Cain and Lincecum.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Right after they teach him how to sit on a wooden bench.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The zookeeper immediately began to chastise the giraffe for not being aggressive enough.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel sorry for the little fella. That place is a hole.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you talking about the giraffe in the six flags or Belt in this lineup?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking mainly about how animals kept in captivity for human amusement are treated, but it works both ways.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS?
n.b. I am currently taking a sexual harassment training course and recognize that this posting probably constitutes sexual harassment of some sort
I've got it!!!
KNBR’s latest shakeup and capn’s sexual harassment training!!!!
Kate Scott (that’s the token woman on KNBR now, right?) she read about capn’s sexual harassment training here, took her laptop into the program manager, pointed at Bruce and said “Either he goes…. or I get a lawyer!!”
IT'S ALL ROBERTO KELLY'S FAULT!
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Aug 30, 2011 1:14 PM PDT reply actions
He’s not fun to talk to at first so all the hitters look to hack their way to 2nd instead of walking.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
/looks for glasses to put on so he can take them off
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Please Sabean, no more trades this year...
Pull your fucking head out of your ass and call up the kids..
Mass DFA the following:
Tejada
Rowand
Cabrera
Whiteside
Zito
Torres
Fontenot
Call up:
Brown
Joseph or Sanchez
Peguero
Pill
Crawford
Surkamp
Culberson
LOL, yeah right
of course
he failed to steal third and home each time he got to second last night. Bum.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL, yeah right
This would be the appropriate response.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
You were good up until the Torres thing, and then everything after that was a bad idea (‘cept Surkamp, who’s already coming back up).
That is cray-z.
hah, didn't even consider it debatable
The “he’s not major league ready” or “he’s unproven” argument is complete bullshit, especially when you consider the following:
30th in R’s
28th in H’s
26th in HR’s
24th in BB’s
22nd in SB’s
29th in BA (.237, and that’s pathetic)
29th in OBP% (.300, and that’s fucking pathetic)
28th in SLG% (.354)
29th in OPS (.653, hold on, I think I’m going to puke up a deuce)
The advanced sabermetric offensive stats have the Giant’s near the bottom in all the major offensive categories.
Given all of that, to say that these minor league players shouldn’t get a shot is ludicrous.
Why? Because they can’t do any worse that the noodle bat’s we’re throwing out there now.
There is absolutely no question that the minor leaguers I mentioned should be on the big club.
Torres should stay because he’s cheap and is on tap to be the starting centerfielder next season(Brown not ready and unproven). Fontenot should stay until the end of the season because he is cheap and has some value.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Black Magic Inside?
How the hell did the D-Backs lose Brandon Webb and Stephen Drew to injuries, trade away Mark Reynolds, Dan Haren, Kelly Johnson, and Brandon Allen, and still with the division the season after the Giants won it all?
Kenny williams.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
….and Edwin Jackson, who was good after they traded him away.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Webb has nothing to do with their success. Drew was a hit, but the rest of their offense and park (effect on offense) is actually much, much better than the Giants.
Webb would have been under control had they wanted him, right?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s the pitching. Troy Renck last night tweeted that Dbacks’ starters have 0.56 ERA over last seven games.
The scary thing is that besides Kennedy and Hudson, they also have Bauer, Skaggs and Parker in their system.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
When was the last year anyone thought the Giants had a good offense?
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 1:26 PM PDT reply actions
2003?
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Big Cat
.301 .352 .489
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
When JT Snow hit .327/.429/.529 and Ray Durham hit .282/.364/.484 and Pedro Feliz hit .276/.305/.485(!!).
Shit, even as bad as Edgardo seemed to be he hit .289/.350/.407.
None of these guys were even close to some other guy of course.
That is cray-z.
I remember when Jason Schmidt and John Vander Wal both hit dingerz in one game. I thought that was pretty cool.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Six.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
You were a precocious baseball fan. I am still trying to get my 8 year old to understand the concept of balls and strikes.
AND WE STILL HAD YORVIT
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Feliz had some pretty fucking funny stat lines
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He was the objectively perfect Giant
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
His 03 is hysterical
.247/.278/.515
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Man
JT went on that fucking epic run in the second half of the season. I can’t remember any other hitter being that scorching hot for that long. He had a 3 Homer game in Philly that basically embodied his season.
Proud adoptee of Dick Tidrow the mastermind behind Tim Lincecum, Matt Cain, Buster Posey and many more. Also known as "The Reason".
iirc
That team finished second in runs scored
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
And yet you guys still hold the edge in the season series. No justice, dangit.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 30, 2011 1:42 PM PDT reply actions
Thats because its the 2010 Padres getting theirs.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Most of that was before this last month's nose dive
2 different teams, the 2011 Giants. I hope for 1 month for the first team.
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Giants might surge again before the season ends, but it will be too late.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Obviously at that point most teams will have given up. But I think the Giants are really going to take it hard to the D-Backs out of frustration, to let them know who is the better.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
They’ll fo their best to fall 10 games out and then win 10 of 11 to finish the season and just miss having a protected first round pick LOL giants.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
The D-Backs are better
The Giants have been shut out by the worst teams/pitchers in baseball
But yet the season series record says otherwise. The D-Backs have something to prove. Plus, the Giants pitching is insane. An average offense would have made the Giants an instant 100 game winner.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants were definitely better at the beginning of the season, but in the last month+ we’ve taken a considerable nose-dive. I’m not saying we can’t pick it up and get a run going, but the team seems defeated.
Everyteam slumps offensively. The same team that beat the D-Backs earlier in the season is still the same team on the field now. They did have Buster and Sanchez but they now have Beltran and Keppinger. If the offense starts to pick it up and gain momentum, the team can do serious damage with the pitching they have. Still, it’ll be too late.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Every does not just attach itself freely to any word in the English language.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Everydoes
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 30, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You get everyf.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Howie likes to give one everyday.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s actually just one of my editor’s glasses pet peeves. You spend two years copy editing customer-provided content and you see a lot of everygrafts. Or, I did.
My pointing it out just means that you get to take extra pleasure in pointing it out the next time I make a mistake. It’ll probably be an apostrophe error.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s pretty stupid that the Red Sox have two players that might finish with 8 WAR.
That is cray-z.
Could the Giants have traded for Adrian Gonzalez? If so, I would have done this. I mean, not just looking back, I would have done it in the offseason and not re-signed Huff.
What would it have taken? Wheeler and who else? I wouldn’t have traded Belt, but thats what they would have wanted, right?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Ellsbury and ?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Playing 1B really limits Adrian’s WAR totals, right?
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by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Well, being defensively inept to the point of only being able to play 1B limits WAR totals.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He played right field against the Phillies. Even more of a reason why Bochy would have loved him on the team.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
A little bit
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
LOLold
Individuals who are 40 years of age or older are protected from employment discrimination based on age.
Yep, the government figures after 40 you're just a doddering old fool and easily taken advantage of
I thought 40 was supposed to be the new 30??
Yeah, that’s going to have to change when we start retiring at 80.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 30, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Rangers purchased the contract of RHP Mark Hamburger from Triple-A Round Rock.
The Rangers still have to clear a spot for him on the 40-man roster. Hamburger, who was originally acquired from the Twins in the Eddie Guardado deal in 2008, posted a 3.39 ERA and 70/25 K/BB ratio over 82 1/3 innings this season between Double-A Frisco and Triple-A Round Rock. He’ll pitch in a middle relief role.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Hopefully he can ketchup in time for the playoffs.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
pitchers of his kind are rare
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
His buns look like they have sesame seeds on them.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He will stay in your colon for weeks.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
And you’ll definitely need a napkin if you want to eat him.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 30, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
he won't cost the Rangers much cheddar
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
You always want to go straight for the buns.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
annnnnnd my best effort...
When he throws the ball in the dirt, do they call it ground chuck?
The thong is, it happened.
Of course not
…there’s too much at steak.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
As a reliever...
He’ll probably be ordered in ‘n’ out of quite a few games.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
I posted before
Whiteside’s Face-Slide was perfect metaphore.
Think you have the second one stolen? Land on your face and end up on the DL.
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
____________________________
Brian Sabean → New Hampshire
New Hampshire → Jumanji
Jumanji → Robin Williams
Robin Williams → Happy Feet
Happy Feet → Brittany Murphy
Brittany Muprhy → Atlanta
Atlanta → Asa Griggs Candler
Asa Griggs Candler → The Coca Cola Company
The Coca Cola Company → Miami
Miami → Florida Marlins
Florida Marlins → Scott Cousins
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Too many steps.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A: White Flag already?
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/waves it high
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Speaking of which
Was just watching the Marshall Lynch Beast Mode run against the Saint…what a great run…what awful announcing.
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I dunno
I’m a goofball or something. There’s still time and we’ve got plenty of games with the D-Backs left. So I’m not giving up on them yet (if that’s what you are asking).
But damn, are they painful and depressing to watch right now.
How about Surkamp's debut?
Hopefully it wasn’t depressing… I missed it… Was too busy with work..
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Fist Pump
mandatory in the 8th inning?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Fuck no.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
No
The question is, Is the fist pump thing worse than the Wave?
Yes. You can yell at people doing the Wave. Fist-pumping is drowned out by that “music.”
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The obscene fist pumping graphic is there for all to see.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see that
I was tending to think the Wave is probably worse because it happens during the game.
Also true.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Larry Krueger AND Gary Radnich?
I’m gonna not listen to that so much more than usual!
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
Is that really a bombshell?
Also, Krueger is worse than Bruce.
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sorry
you spelled “Byrnes” wrong. It doesn’t start with a K.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
I like Krueger. Bruce is a halfwit, Krueger’s at least a four-fifths wit.
Now if they just got rid of Radnich, I might start listening again.
To me
they’re both about the same…Bruce is a little better but not by much…
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This
I can do without either of their blowhard bullshit. Pretty much all they do is pick apart straw men and scapegoats, and talk about how right they are. Neither can hide their contempt for any caller who disagrees in the slightest. Come to think of it, this reminds me of Fitz as well. Perhaps he’s better groomed, is all.
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
Sure
I mean check out the guy who wrote the post.
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I see nothing
doesn’t look like they made any room for Dumbon back on 1050.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecccccccccccccccddddddd
And even for the Radish-haters…. be thankful
No word on what this means for Bruce, who has to be absolutely furious at both Radnich — who it appears staged a kind of mini-boycott until he wasn’t forced to work with Bruce anymore — and Krueger.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Even more thankful of this
Radnich has been scrambling during his time off. I’ve heard he was sniffing around 95.7 "The Game" for a multi-year deal, and for this show to come together so quickly presumably means he was in contact with Krueger in recent days/weeks as well.
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I listened on the way to Gridley… Greg Papa blathering about the importance of bunting and RBIs.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I know A’s fans bitch all the time about that station because it’s the A’s flagship station and the hosts don’t talk about the A’s.
They talked about Beane and whether he’d go to the Cubs, but there was as much Giants “talk”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it's the easy joke
But nobody wants to talk about the A’s. There’s just no passion for that franchise right now, so even when the Giants are stinking it up, people are passionate about them and want to talk about them.
I’ve heard Tolbert make a couple of halfhearted attempts to talk about the A’s lately, but basically you’re right. No A’s fan is listening to KNBR for A’s news/talk, that’s for sure.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
perhaps the most important subject line in history
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He defiled the airwaves just last night!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
oh that is dreadful news. was it because Kruk took a personal day? I can’t believe Jon could tolerate 3 hours with him
oh, sorry
I thought you meant the post-game show. No, he was not on the radio call for the game.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes I have the radio on while doing something else; if it’s Byrnes I drop everything and pull the circuit breaker to turn it off.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He looks like a bloated Willem Dafoe
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Yahtzee
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jenga!
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
if it means that Radnich go off of KNBR…I’m all for it.
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Yeah, but they don't focus entirely on the Giants like that other station!
Except when they are always focusing on the Giants, of course.
hahaha
that’s the funniest part of that whole thing.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the morning show, the late morning slot isn't bad, but the rest is mediocre to really bad
And there’s way too much Papa and Eric Davis. Urban was getting some consistent airtime, and he’s really not as bad as I would have thought.
Have you listened to them since they added Kreidler?
He flat-out saved that show in Sacramento. He’s really a good glue guy. But they need to ditch Dibley, or get him back to how he was used at KNBR – I think a little bit goes a long way with him.
I haven't listened to them in years
I mean I really haven’t listened to them since “The Rat” or whatever he called himself was on the show.
I don't know
what the deal is with pairing Gary with someone. I suppose it forces the content more towards sports, but Radish doesn’t really do sidekicks all that well. Lackeys and sycophants, essential. Sidekicks? Not so much.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Except Bruno
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who?
Never heard of him.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Fire everyone from the 9-12 slot
Make Patrick Connor and Dibley(?) the new hosts.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Radnich is a douche
I listened to KNBR in the morning for the first time in a long time during his recent “vacation.” He’s a bloviating pustule.
I won’t listen to KNBR in the morning anymore.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
wow
Your tolerance for Damon is impressive. Can’t do it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It was mostly for the pairing with Krueger.
But Radnich is that much of an asshat, that I would rather listen to Bruce.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I see
Krueger never really bothered me, and I think Gary just utterly hated having Damon talk over him. And I know some people totally hate Radish.
Bright side: this frees up Damon to pair with Byrnsie for a nighttime call-in show!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad production against bad pitching
The Giants mustered 13 hits against Sosa, Happ, Myers, Norris, and Wells. These guys collectively allow over 5.5 RUNS per game. It is hard to fathom how bad this team has been offensively. The only drama left is whether or not they can reach 500 runs and given the production on this homestand against some of the worst pitchers in the NL I think they have a chance. If we are going to fail we might as well fail historically so that maybe management will DO SOMETHING!
Dude- I think your username needs some freshening
by capn on Aug 30, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I will. When you get a chance to take a flier on proven guys like Aaron Rowand, you have to take it. I don’t mean to say I think much of Huff; after all, he wasn’t really any good at last year – but you get a guy like Zito, who can play a lot of different positions and hit well enough to support himself, you have to do it. You can surround him with a lot of extra pieces too, like Manny Burriss, and re-sign Orlando Tejada. Plus, you can support him with pitching, like that Wheeler guy. Then just make sure to keep all your prospects on their toes by continually exercising their option, and voila. Instant championship.
It's all over...
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Thank you all for your support.
also
sunglasses
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So now you know how to harass someone without it being considered sexual harassment
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That certificate looks good on your wall.
I bet it’d look even better on my bedroom floor.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
by waelwulf on Aug 30, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Be careful of those freudian slips. My co-worker once said I like your boobs; he meant to say I like your blouse. lol…men.
heh
my boss said to someone, ‘what cute little jugs’. forturnately, the woman he was talking about was holding two small jugs
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Your mom's a girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX2fp0-Nl1c
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Like you haven’t ever said ‘Nice looking bulge’ when you meant ‘Nice looking belt’.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
/grabs crotch
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
/screams, blows ear-splitting "rape whistle"
"He couldn't remember where he was. The thought made him smile."
Goofus?
He TAUGHT that.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I really have not ever liked how Sabean has put teams together
1) Complete lack of hitting development in the minor leagues
2) Completely relies on on signing aging vets to cover up for 1) above
3) When aging vets start to suck, sign more aging vets instead of working on 1) above
4) act surprised when aging vets start to suck
Too much dead payroll, too little development in the minors over the past 15 years.
heh
the giants have done quite well recently in graduating players from the minors.
this is like blaming the pitching for the team losing.
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Your mom's a girl
who?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Look at your signature.
Apparently you’re as proud a papa of Bill Schlough as Michael Bluth was proud his son was dating Anne Veal!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Egg?
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Your mom's a girl
she did this cute thing she calls a mayonegg
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Your mom's a girl
Way to plant, Anne!
George Michael, take Plant and go wait in the car.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Okay...
1) Giants have arguably the best pitching staff with 3 top notch homegrown pitchers
2) Closer-homegrown
3) Set-up guy-homegrown
4) Stud Catcher for 10 years-homegrown
5) stud 3B for 10 years-homegrown
6) likely stud 1B for 10 years-homegrown
7) Potential superstar in CF-likely be up with the team in 2 years-homegrown
8) No reason to suspect that Huff, Ross, and Pat were all going to suck…less good maybe but suck no.
9) No really SS in the market
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not quite..
Even all those guys playing the way they did last year, that just brought the offense up to adequate. With a supposed commitment to spending in the offseason, there should have at least been an attempt to improve the offense instead of keeping it the same. It really seems like he took last years’s success to be the secret winning formula for baseball.
Sadly, the rumors about the Reyes trade talks supposedly fell apart because the Giants wouldn’t part with Wheeler. Instead of pushing to improve the team and fill in the glaring weakness at shortstop, he waited until the deadline when the Mets had more leverage and Reyes actually became untouchable.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Aug 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
?
Giants had one of the best offenses in the second half of 2010 (after Buster started playing full time). On top of that, the Giants were adding another young bat in Belt and a resurgent/slim Panda. There was no reason to think that the Giants offense would not have been at least league average this year.
Reyes would have cost more than Wheeler…Likely Wheeler and Brown.
Also since the AS break, Reyes has hit 256/.279/.402 in 86 PAs (19 games).
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The Giants are going to be good for a small window
Because of the draft\farm
It will be a larger window if they can resign most of them.
Giants farm\draft could not produce major leaguers the years in between Matt Williams and Matt Cain…. Who was in there?
Bernard?
Pedro Feliz?
um…
crickets
(Maybe a Shawn Estes, but not exactly a Buster or Lincecum level)
by Myemail21479 on Aug 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Different time period
Different mindset and different ownership philosophy.
Those years were the result of the desire/feeling that the Giants needed to get veteran players to help Bonds.
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You do know Sabean has been the Giants GM for like 14 years not the last 4 right?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Of course I do
He turned the team around in 1996 and had the team in 1st or second between 1996-2004 years (with Bonds’ help)
He (and maybe the owners) had bad decisions to try and build the team around an aging superstar and burned his farm system in the interim for the next 3-4 years. But he did begin to stock up on pitching i.e. Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner, and Sanchez
Giants started to contend in 2009 and won the WS in 2010. Was competitive in 2011 but injuries and suckiness arose.
Sabean made his share of mistakes (Zito and Rowand) but he was certainly a big part of the reason why the Giants won in 2010.
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The guy failed to build a quality pitching staff with the greatest offensive force of all time
The guy has then turned around and failed to build a quality offense around a superlative pitching staff.
When you cite is ability to develop you cite exclusively players from the current team. If he was actually skilled at developing players wouldn’t there have been SOME homegrown positional talent developed between Will Clark and Pablo Sandoval?
One thing he has been remarkably consistent at is overpaying creaky old veterans and placing too high a premium on quote “experience.”
Hmmmm….
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Wait…what’s the point of the game…to develop homegrown talent or to win? Cuz Sabean won a lot between 1997 and 2004…while having some spurts of winning…the Giants were pretty awful between the 1970s and 1996.
Yes Sabean has made some bad moves but the team was really good between 1997 and 2004 and should have won the World Series in 2002. Sabean then reconstituted the franchise after the 2005-2008 debacle into a World Series and likely contender for years to come.
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Isn't possible the teams would have been BETTER had he developed talent?
You are allowed to develop talent and make smart FA signings at the same time you know.
He’s made the playoffs 5 out of his 14 years! He’s made the playoffs 36% of the time as a GM! Maybe you accept that from your GM. I don’t.
Your lowered expectations are why a guy like him is allowed to be the longest tenured GM in baseball with a track record like that.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Wait
Giants won 90, 89, 86, 97, 90, 95, 100, and 91 games between 1997 and 2004. That is pretty darn good regardless of whether you get into the playoffs or not.
Of course, you can do both but I feel like just because Sabean is not the best GM ever makes him the worst GM ever.
I will take 5 playoffs in 14 years and should been 2 WS championships on a team that previously made the playoffs 4 times in 38 years.
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Being happy with not making the playoffs is a loser's attitude
You must be ecstatic for how this season’s going to end?! We’re going to have a winning record! Fuck yeah!
I get why you support Sabean now we don’t need to discuss any further.
And for the record I don’t think he’s the worst. Just in the bottom of 3rd of GMs in baseball. Although with Hendry and soon Ed Wade being gone he’s getting closer to the bottom.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
dude, there’s no need to call people losers just cause they don’t hate Sabean as hard as you
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Your mom's a girl
Not what I said but cool
Let me help you parse.
I said “having the attitude that just having a ‘winning record’ is a loser’s attitude about that particular thing”
Very different than being a ‘loser’ overall. Hope that helps. Thanks for your input.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
you characterized what calbear949 said as being happy to not make the playoffs
you said that this was a loser’s attitude.
so, you use what someone said to make them part of a class, and then called those who are part of that class losers.
sure, you didn’t call anyone a loser.
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Your mom's a girl
Question for you
If I said to you that you have a pessimistic attitude about the stock market, would you then be pessimistic about every aspect of life?
Because that’s your logic.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
heh
no, no it isn’t.
but I didn’t work for a major league team, so throw out what I say
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Your mom's a girl
I was speaking about a type of attitude towards a particular set of circumstances
Wasn’t calling him a loser overall. If it was my intent to call him a loser overall, I would have just said: “You are a loser.”
Don’t worry about throwing out what you say. I already do that.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Really
by your standard, only the GM for the Yankees, Braves, Boston, Angels and St Louis are any good.
Bottom 3rd? Let’s see, Sabean is better than the GM on
Padres, Dodgers, Colorado, Reds, St. Louis, Houston, Angels, Seattle, Detroit, Cleveland, Washington, Florida, Baltimore, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, White Sox
Debatable as to Phillies, Yankees, A’s, and Texas
Better GM: Brewers, Boston, TB, ATL, Maybe Toronto
Too early to tell as to Mets and Arizona
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Oh man. Is this list a mess.
First of all I can tell that you don’t really know the GMs individually because you listed teams. This is made even more obvious by you saying that it’s “too early to tell” if Sandy Alderson and Kevin Towers are good GMs. Alderson is one of the most well respected baseball executives ever and Towers has a pretty good track record of success.
Also I’m not the one who defined being a good GM has just how many wins you have. That was you. I poked holes in your argument about it being all about wins.
I take a look at multiple things when evaluating who is or isn’t a GM. Trades, budget, how long they’ve been there, etc
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree
Despite the awfulness of this lineup…there was no reason to blame Sabean to the opening day lineup…it was a very good lineup and certainly more than enough to win the division.
Also, despite the lack of production this year, the Giants are set up for winning for years to come.
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The lineup may have seemed nearly sufficient (he still failed to sign a proper SS, and should have had a better back-up catcher), but the thinness of the organization was and is a huge problem.
That’s on Sabean.
And you might want to be able to back up your GM rankings if that’s the argument you want to make.
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Well considering
there were no real SS options out there and just about every team has a poor backup C…I cannot assign too much blame.
Sure the thinness of the organization is a problem but the organization just produced 3 top notch SP, one of the top closers and set up guy, one of the best C and 3B in the league. Any system would be thin after that.
Again, I have never said that Sabean was the best GM but I certainly consider him in the top 3rd…
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You clearly aren't very familiar with individual GMs
So not sure how you can make your top 3rd claim.
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I don’t think anybody is seriously disputing the organization’s ability to develop pitchers, so you can drop that part.
Posey and Sandoval are great, but the team has not developed anything up the middle in as long as I can remember. And that has continued to be a weakness since 2/3 of the way through the Vizquel era.
And I daresay Whiteside is much more than “poor” as a backup C.
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Not responding to my point and just reiterating platitudes doesn’t really help your case
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I'm just not sure about your last sentence
It seems easy enough to say that all Sabean needs (with this pitching staff) is to generate a league average offense to have this team in contention. Reality says he hasn’t been able to do this without Bonds around.
Pitching is party of the equation
Again, look at the starting lineup this year
Torres (who should have been good)
Sanchez (consistent but fragile)
Panda
Buster
Huff (should have been okay)
Ross (should have been okay)
Belt (will likely be good)
Tejada (bad but should not have been awful)
P
Other than the Rangers, Red Sox, Yankees, and maybe the Reds…I am not sure any team had a stronger lineup going into the season.
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Really?
Other than the Rangers, Red Sox, Yankees, and maybe the Reds…I am not sure any team had a stronger lineup going into the season.
I’ll have to respectfully disagree. I think the idea of having an entire season of Buster was going to certainly help, and hopefully Sanchez (although he was an injury prone 33 year-old) would add a bat.
Torres was a wildcard IMO, since his season seemed like lightning in a bottle. They weren’t even sure Panda was guaranteed a starter’s job going into spring. Huff’s decent, but his history has been “one good year, one bad”. Ross was still a wildcard IMO, and we had no clue about Belt. And Tejada was just bad, bad, bad. Hell, we played the guy enough last season to see that he was pretty much shot.
So yeah, I’m going to disagree with you on this one.
Right
but just about every lineup in the league is like this…you have a couple of reliable bats with a few wild cards and one or two sucky players.
There was no way that the Giants were going to go out and sign anyone to replace Panda and Torres…Both were going to start.
Huff was very good last year and signed a multi-year deal…
Ross/Belt are wild cards but again at least decent.
Tejada had an oWAR of 1.1 and a OPS of .730 in 253 PAs with the Padres…he was good enough..
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Yeah, we're going to need to disagree
If you don’t remember Panda being under the gun in spring training, I don’t know what to tell you.
And I’m not disagreeing that there was room for optimism that the team might hit “enough” in spring training to get the team to the playoffs. But to claim they were potentially a top-5 offense going into the season is a huge stretch.
Now this is just ridiculous
Other than the Rangers, Red Sox, Yankees, and maybe the Reds…I am not sure any team had a stronger lineup going into the season.
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Tell me which team had a better
lineup in April.
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The rangers, red sox, and yankees
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Included in my list.
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Ah, misread it
Phillies, Brewers, Rays.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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I would agree with the Brewers
Maybe Cardinal but they were really saved by Berkman’s resurgence.
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Berkman had an off year last year, but is a career .404 wOBA hitter.
If you want to argue about Berkman’s “resurgence,” I’ll counter with Pujols’ drop in production evening it out.
That is cray-z.
Agreed…I would include Cardinals because they have more proven players in the lineup with Pujols, Holiday, and Molina…
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say that the Giants lineup and the Phillies lineup were about equal in April.
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We did a comparison last year
during the playoffs and the Giants and Phillies were about equal…this is not including a resurgent Panda.
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Easy
rangers, red sox, yankees, blue jays, rays, white sox (we’re talking in April so no throwing Adam Dunn around), phillies, Mets (wright, beltran, reyes better than anything we have), brewers, reds, cardinals, rockies, dbacks.
Arguments could be made for the Angels, Tigers, Dodgers, Braves
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Rangers, RS, Yankees, Brewers, Reds, Cards yes…I will also give you WS.
No on Rockies has two good guys and a bunch of stiffs. Dodgers lost one of their best hitters in SIRM.
No as to Angels…middle of their lineup was Vernon Wells and GMJ.
Did you look at the BJ starting lineup in April? Rajai Davis, Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, Corey Patterson, a rookie catcher and converted/rookie 3B/DH.
Probably Braves but they were starting Chipper at 3rd and a rookie at 1B.
Debatable as to Tigers
No as to the Mets.
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I think you’re underestimating Bonds contribution to SF share of winz from 1997-2004.
Even if Sabes was wholly responsible then, he hasn’t put together a decent lineup since 2004.
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Bonds was definitely a force but Sabean did go out and find players like Kent, Burks, and Durham to help Bonds..
Overreliance Bonds was also one of the reasons why the Giants were bad between 2004 and 2008.
Again, the starting lineup this year for the Giants in April was pretty darn good.
Torres
Sanchez
Panda
Buster
Huff
Ross
Belt/Burrell
Tejada
Pitcher
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Bonds was definitely a force but Sabean did go out and find players like Kent, Burks, and Durham to help Bonds..
I don’t think you can say that Sabean went out and found Kent when he was basically an afterthought in a trade.
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You realize that guys from the minors are only under contract for 6 years, right?
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I know…what I meant is those players have the potential to be staples in the Giants for 10 years because of their talent. Whether they are signed for 10 years is another matter.
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Also, is "superstar" a higher ranking than "stud"?
Because Brown is nowhere near Sandoval / Posey or even Belt.
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And also hasn’t had his transition to the big leagues yet – that’s what many contend Sabean sucks at.
Right now Brown is just raw potential.
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Maybe
but I said that Brown is a potential superstar just because of he’s a potential 5 tool player.
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No, not maybe. He's not.
And let’s not count our potential superstars before they’ve reached AA.
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by GiantPain on Aug 30, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
don’t forget Thomas Neal put up an OPS almost .100 higher than Gary Brown in San Jose when he was a year younger. A lot can happen between A+ and the majors.
WWRWD?
Can’t… or won’t?
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt is still basically unrealized potential. I have high hopes, but still.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That doesn't mean that Brown is on his level.
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Belt may be all that and a bag of chips, but Brown has the tools and pedigree to become a superstar. And I’m a little troubled by that who ‘baby giraffe’ thing. It’s cute, you love it, I love it, we all love it, but in all seriousness, is a guy known affectionately as a baby giraffe ever gonna evolve into a club house leader?
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I dunno. Buster Posey looks like a 12 year old, and he certainly seemed to earn everyone’s respect.
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by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
His gravitas is unquestioned. But we’re talking Brown and Belt, here. Brown plays with that sort of airy confidence that only truly great athletes possess. Brown has had it since day one; Belt may have it, but he has not demonstrated as much (in my opinion). That has to enter in to the calculus of evaluating these players.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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I think if you were to ask 10 scouts who had the potential to be a star, Brown or Belt, 9 out of 10 or all 10 would choose Belt. Brown is a 22 year old who is destroying single-A pitching. But he was not a top 50 prospect this year, and I doubt he’ll be one next year either. Belt was ranked in the 20s by Keith Law, BA had him at 23.
I find your appeal to authority to be logically compelling.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Brown also plays
a much more valuable position and has speed.
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So does Peter Bourjos
Doesn’t mean he’s better than Belt.
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Just saying that his tools allow us to reliably project a greater upside and, ultimately, greater contribution out of Brown.
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You're almost always trolling me.
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I’m sorry. You’re just so certain about everything. It’s hard to resist.
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This is true.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Surprised
No Gary Brown in the AFL?
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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I want a Scorpions outfield of him, Trout and Harper, dammit.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Who doesn’t appreciate harping on a brown trout in the outfield, amirite?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone in minor lines said that they will probably add guys later.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I was thinking that maybe the Giants want to see how he feels after the Cal League playoffs? He’s had a long – very good, but long (TWSS) – season.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
I imagine it’s pending the CAL playoffs, right?
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Fresno is the only team in the system that doesn’t — as of now — have a shot of making the playoffs, so that’s possible.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I wonder
is that why they put HSanchez back in SJ? or is that just to keep him close until 9/1?
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s just to keep him close until he can come back (which I think is actually 9/4, because I think he needs to stay down for 10 days). SJ is in the Bay 9/4, but Fresno is in Tacoma or something.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
San Jose doesn’t start playoffs until 9/10, and I doubt H. Sanchez would still not be with the big club. Also, SJ has already clinched a playoff spot, so it’s not as if they want him there to help with clinching.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
oh
I thought they started playing next week. I wondered if there was some kind of roster deadline he was qualifying for. But he hasn’t played there much this year, so I’m sure you’re right.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Schulman just tweeted
Brandon Crawford will play in the Arizona Fall League. The Scottsdale roster lists 4 Giants TBA slots for pitchers, plus one each for IF, OF
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
I think they’re required to have a certain number of players there.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Yep. Seven players, IIRC.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Ooh let's speculate idly
I would think Ehire and Brown would get the IF and OF spots. Pitchers… wow. Verdugo has already thrown a bunch of innings this year. Hembree I believe already went last season. I dunno.
Randy Winn
I swear, when the Giants are done with a veteran player, no other team in pro baseball should even accidentally take a flier on them, even as an injury replacement or anything like that. Because when the Giants are done with their over 35 players, they LITERALLY (not really) have nothing left to give. Absolutely nothing.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I thought about that too...
But even with Bonds, when the Giants got rid of him he didn’t sign with anyone else.
So theoretically, he might have been Joe Castle in 2008.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
LOL Remember when Randy Winn hit that home run off Lincecum last season? I think Pedro Feliz did some damage in that series as well.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope...
Come on, neither of them were really any good after leaving the Giants. And while we’re on the subject, Pedro wasn’t an over-35 veteran when he left the Giants.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
LOL I didn’t say they were good, just pointing out the irony.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
A) Nobody should ever expect more out of me. Lower your expectations!
2) Randy Winn had one post-Giants season and it was not good. That’s not trashing him, that’s pointing out the obvious.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Helping my grossly generalized point
that the players the Giants let go of after 35 are typically really truly done for their careers.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
Lineup
Tonights #SFGiants lineup: Torres cf, Keppinger 2b, Beltran rf, Sandoval 3b, Huff 1b, Belt lf, Fontenot ss, Stewart c, Vogelsong p
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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Stewie
Has been the main catcher for about the last month or so. It makes sense; Whiteside has been just as bad at the plate as Stewart lately, and obviously he’s far worse behind it.
His poor showing defensively has been a big surprise to me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
and
it sure as hell hasn’t gotten better as the season has gone on. They need someone better next year.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
They already have him...
…Stewart with Posey as the starter.
by HungryHunter on Aug 30, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
concussion concerns, too.
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by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
This is probably the best we’re going to get. Maybe Huff could be moved down in the lineup a bit, but otherwise “optimal” given the pieces available.
I predict they score 1 run. Maybe.
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Finally, Grant.
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Yeah
still deck chairs…
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Not half bad. For our standards I mean.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 30, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I basically think this is the best possible Giants lineup
They will score one run, and it will be on four consecutive catchers interferences.
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Nah
Giants score mostly on balks.
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Keppinger batting second against a righty baffles me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Lineup traditions are very confusing to me
It’s common for teams to put their best hitter third. Why? You want your best hitter to most likely hit with two out, bases empty?
The #2 hitter being a slappy good contact guy is of the same ilk. This guy’s going to get a lot of ABs; maybe you should put one of your good hitters there!
Even if you have good hitters
In the top two spots, #3 guy will be batting with two out and bases empty 40% or so of the time (assuming the leadoff guy started the inning).
Where did I say anything about 0%?
Or 100%? I just said it’s the most likely scenario.
Fair enough
I’m not sure why we are pursuing this, I was initially just making an off the cuff joke.
because after the first inning you can't really predict when someone will come up to bat
you could probably argue that your best hitter can bat 3,4 or 5
as long as you have a couple decent hitters in front of him and a couple behind him
No
Your best hitters should bat second and fourth, with the one with better OBP hitting second and the one with more power hitting fourth. For the Giants, Beltran should bat 2nd and Pablo 4th. Probably Torres leading off, then Belt or Huff third with the other fifth.
Here is a post about lineup science from BtBS.
I've always thought of it as
1. OBP guy
2. BA plus put ball in play guy
3. OPS guy
4. power hitter
pretty good strategy to score a run, imo
obp guy with a little vrrrooooooom
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Pitcher
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THIS
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Nah
OBP guy
wOBA guy
wOBA guy
wOBA guy
wOBA guy
wOBA guy
wOBA guy
wOBA guy
pitcher
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
DAMMIT. Pitcher was supposed to be 8th.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure, if you want to be a nerd about it.
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haha
The Walk and Balk offense!
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe I saw that calculated somewhere actually
Someone concluded that if you never got a hit, you’d need an OBP of .500+ to be a positive value hitter. I think it was in the context of a dwarf playing ball as a DH.
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by GiantPain on Aug 30, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, your best hitter should bat 2nd.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
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A run
It would indeed probably be a good strategy if a team were allowed to score no more than one run per inning.
that's how I learned it as a kid
and probably isn’t ideal with current sabermetrics
and I should have said run(s) because you want your best HR hitter batting clean-up; you want as many people as possible on base in front if him
If you want people on base for your cleanup hitter
Your #2 hitter probably shouldn’t be making outs moving over runners.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I never argued that
but, you do want him putting the ball in play rather than striking out. If you can find a #2 hitter with BA of 1.000, I’m all for it.
Striking out isn't really worse than any other kind of out. Putting it in play leads to double plays.
You want him to get on base. I don’t care if he puts the ball in play or not.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Heh, not trying to get you, promise!
It just underscores the importance of being on base. Too many teams use the 2 hole precisely as you detailed up there, to move runners over, use hitters that don’t strike out a lot. But really, why?
Why do you need to move the runner over in front of the 3-4 hitters, who are theoretically the guys most likely to get an extra base hit anyway? And isn’t the best way to move a runner over to get on base yourself?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
no worries
I acknowledge that the idea of moving runners over is outdated (or should I say: proven to be valuable only in situational hitting). But, even your 3-4 hitters hit singles most of the time. Having vrrooooom in scoring position when they bat is valuable.
If one does not accept the idea that sacrifices and moving runners over actually cost teams runs, one wants to have as the second place hitter a guy who doesn’t strike out a lot, has the bat control to hit the other way, and is able to execute bunts and hit-and-run plays. That way, you have maximized the chance that your best hitter will hit with a guy in scoring position early in the game (this assumes the first hitter is a vroomy on-base guy).
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
That’s the thinking. But of course since the root assumption is that making “productive outs” is a good thing, the whole philosophy is based on a false premise.
Just trying to ease your confusion.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Its based on a false "statistical premise"
but not necessarily a false “reality premise”. Take last night for example. Andres on second no one out. Keppinger up. Grounds to short – doesnt move him up or in. They don’t score.
Getting an early run matters – particualrly with Tim on mound. So small ball works. Which is why he should have been bunting.
If I could have a team with 8 great OPB guys half of whom were also great slg pct guys I’d LOVE IT. And I’d play for the big inning every time. In other words – I’d be the Boston Red Sox – and they still run with Ellsbury.
But that is not going to happen often. And it is as far from the Giants as possible. So you plug in spots with what you have and you adjust .
The Giants have low OBP guys with very little power. Thus to score they HAVE to play small ball. Because they aren’t going to get the big inning.
I'm guessing this is wrong
Even with the Giants’ horror show of a lineup, my bet is that bunting there reduces the expected number of runs scored. For a normal team, I’m sure of it. For the Giants, maybe somebody knows how to calculate it?
There are run expectancy matrices that are generated based on the run playing environment. Go from league average of ~4.1 runs/game to whatever you feel the Giants true talent is (perhaps ~3.7 runs/game), and you’ll have your answer. Sadly, I don’t know any of the links off the top of my head.
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Wow I actually am OK with this
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Actually…this should be a solid lineup…
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Needs more healthy Nate and less Huffy.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Even so
it should be a good hitting lineup…two excellent hitters in Panda and Beltran…speedy leadoff guy in Torres, good contact guy in Keppinger,
Belt is a wildcard.
Huff, Fontenot, and Stewart are serviceable
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And they’ll maybe score one or two runs.
So it has been of late.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The MCC pregame consensus has been “OK” regarding the last two lineups, which ended up getting 5 hits in 16 innings against the starting pitchers.
Yep.
It’s all doo doo. Even this lineup, which is about as good as it can get, is doo doo.
I’m happy to see that Belt keeps getting at-bats.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 30, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I know it's pointless
but this lineup should be good…I mean there is no reason why it should not be good.
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That's makes it more frustrating to me
I knew that the 2008 lineup was going to be awful.. but if I saw this lineup on an opposing team, I would be somewhat fearful.
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This +10000000
These players have shown the ability to produce, but have failed miserably. Lack of talent I can accept.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Because the number 2 hitter is a platoon guy hitting against the wrong side of the platoon?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Platoon. A baseball term I’ve grown to dislike so, so much this year.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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I’m not a big fan of platoons, but Kepp/Font is the platoon pair of platoon pairs.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically, we see no Rowand, no Tejada, and somebody with an OBP above .300 leading off, and it looks like a feast to the starving. But it’s still not good.
I'm amazed
that every player that gets in the Giants lineup ends up with an OPS+ of around .650.
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lol
I’m trying to stifle my excitement for Torres and his .314 OBP%
This should have been last nights lineup.
Plus, is DeRosa ever going to get a start, especially against his former team?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This might be Bochy’s version of making Vogelsong eat the donut while Timmy, Matt, and Madbum have to do pushups.
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LOL Full Metal Jacket reference?
Zito should be the one getting hit with pillow cases filled with soup bars.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Aug 30, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Best lineup available
hope for a run
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
/lineup gets shut out again
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
/Garza no-hitter
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Best that could be done
Hope they score.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Thanks
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, seriously.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Aug 30, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Surkamp Tweeting from SFO
is my favorite show of the day.
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Why doesn’t he buy one?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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I was going to ask, but didn’t in case it involved money.
lol my upbringing.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Why doesn’t he operate a lucrative side business from which he can draw thousands of dollars in liquid cash?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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Start a barnstorming team! Rent the park before games.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
or
they did the math and a one-way flight is cheaper than a one-way car rental (I remember Belt driving up from Fresno on one of his re-calls).
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
$208.50 right now RT on united.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you're doing something wrong
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you trying to fly tomorrow or something? United is a rip-off for these commuter flights on short notice.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, the United fares were worse in mid-Sept.
It was my brother-in-law trying to travel a few weeks ago on business. He was quoted $400+ to get from here to FAT……he drove.
Giants need to win at least 4 of their next 5...
..to give me enthusiasm. If they win 5 straight and the d’backs lost 5 straight, I’ll have multiple enthusiasms
The thong is, it happened.
Well since the upcoming homestand is against the D-backs prepare to be horribly enthused or terribly suicidal by this time next week.
of course, I hold out hope
but things look grim
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If even Goofus is having enthusiasm problems, you know the situation is dire.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I'd love to have multiple enthusiasms
"For science. You monster."
I HAVE!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I will now be incapable of seeing Rowand without imagining this. Thanks Johnny D!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
At your service.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
the fog is breaking right at my apt.
it’s sunny on steiner but foggy on pierce.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 30, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Whadya talking about? It’s hot out!
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It has definitely been a cool summer, though.
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Enjoy your precious produce, hippy.
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On Sabean
The blame, I think, lies with with not for this season but the shitty job he’s done in developing hitters for his entire Giants tenure. The entire hitting philosophy of the system seems to have contempt for the idea of patience – best exemplified by Dunston’s “Cheating the game” comment. This has coincided with the Giants being unable to produce a single homegrown All-Star hitter, except for Pablo, who is a great hitter DESPITE his lack of patience, not through it.
There is no organization that knows how to draft and develop pitching like the Giants FO. There is also no organization that is as inept at producing hitters as the Giants FO is. This being the case, why is it that Sabean has not realized the weakness of his FO, and tried to improve on it – by thinking about changing the organizational strategy in regards to hitting, by bringing in someone who might have a track record of recognizing and drafting good hitters or by bringing in someone who has a track record of developing hitters through the minors?
Why is it so hard to recognize that there is a weakness and that there are things that can be done to improve on that weakness?
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by Kestrel76 on Aug 30, 2011 3:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Boom
Add a heaping of ridiculous “veteran experience” love and you’ve got your Brian Sabean turd sandwich.
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Dunston's quote
I love how people use the quote of one guy who’s not even an official coach, much less a front office decision-maker, to prove that Sabean has some sort of disdain for getting on base. Nevermind that there have been several quotes from Sabean and Bochy over the last few years acknowledging the deficiency and the need to get better.
The thong is, it happened.
Something something organizational philosophy.
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I cannot ever remember Sabean
acknowledging the deficiency or the need to get better at it. Nor Bochy for that matter.
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Yeah well, he did
From a letter to season-ticketholders
“I think the core of our team – one that is built around solid starting pitching and defense – certainly emerged as the season went on. The next step will be to conduct a thorough evaluation to define our critical needs that will put us in a stronger position for 2010 and beyond. Most pressing will be to identify ways to improve our offensive production and on base percentage and to create a more consistent one through five line up.”
<a href=“http:// ”http://sfgiants.mlblogs.com/tag/brian-sabean/" target="_blank">http://sfgiants.mlblogs.com/tag/brian-sabean/" target="new">Also this
There was particular focus, as you might imagine, on improving offensive production, including a better on-base percentage and a more consistent one-through-five batting lineup. Brian Sabean’s staff talked of identifying possible trades or free-agent signings.
The thong is, it happened.
Sir
For as long as I’ve been around here, you’ve always seemed an intelligent guy. You can’t honestly tell me that you believe Sabean wrote this letter or had much of anything to do with it.
The letter was written by the PR department, with the goal being to please as many season-ticketholders as possible. They targeted key words and phrases that would satisfy the season-ticketholder, who in general tend to be better informed than the average baseball fan and would be happy to see that particular phrase in the letter.
I’m sorry if that sounds overly cynical, but that’s what corporations do. And whether we like it or not, the Giants are a corporation.
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AmyGGiants
Ross, DeRo, Cabrera, Pablo & Belt all out for early BP facing LH BP pitcher “Cutter” John. #sfgiants
Keppinger just joined the group.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
LOL grasping at straws
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Well.
At least they’re doing something.
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MLBJesus
May thy Champion @SFGiants defend thy Holy Ground by the Sword of Vogelsong. Amen.
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But is the Sword of Vogelsong made of Valyrian steel?
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cue up Jon Snow jpgs
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It is known.
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@ScottReissCSN
Scott Reiss
Bochy: “I do believe you have to play angry when things aren’t going well.” #sfgiants
"For science. You monster."
@ScottReissCSN
Scott Reiss
Bochy: "I do believe you have to play angry birds when things aren’t going well.", Bochy said, staring at his iPhone #sfgiants
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
does that mean hack at every pitch
because we’re real good at that
Bochy says Burrell most likely activated Fri. Thurs, 9/1 is an off day. #sfgiants
I’m listening…
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wow
Sorry, ladies of Fresno and San Jose!
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
“Will you call us, Pat?”
“I’ll make it work.”
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shift-A
2011 Giants: 3.36 runs per game
2008 Giants: 3.93 runs per game.
That’s unpossible. There’s no way any team had a worse offense than the 2008 Giants, right? Apparently wrong.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions
It's starting to get comical, really.
"For science. You monster."
Yeah, especially because it’s much, much worse.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Schulman
Sabean: Gary Brown will NOT come up this September. Pill maybe if they can find 40-man spot.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Didn't Tanner just vacate one?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Kawakami
Sabean was blunt about his frustrations watching this team, but disagreed w/notion SFGs went w/vets too long. More from our talk to come…
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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by calgiants86 on Aug 30, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Say what you will about Kawakami
Dude’s a hater. And haters are more interesting than the alternative.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
indeed
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well of course he disagreed.
Can’t have the implication that he isn’t good at some part his job just laying out there.
Again
looking at the lineup today…there is no reason to think that it should not be at least average.
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Yeah, I'm okay with it.
There have been a whole lot of scratch and sniff ones I haven’t cared for at all.
Pill is not the answer
But if they DFA Rowand or Tejada to make room for him, I’m good with that. Watching an at-bat from Aaron Rowand or Brett Pill? Yeah, that’s not a close call.
we will win tonight.
the lazy batters only score when they feel threatened.
Assigning blame
To me much of the blame goes to Sabean. And this is from someone who is not a Sabean hatrer. Not by any means. But he got (and deserved) a lot of credit for 2010. so he gets (and deserves) quite a bit of blame for this debacle.
His biggest errors:
1. Not having a servicable SS to start the season. And I do mean servicable – not even “good.” Forget Tejada’s year at the plate. What is truly galling is that on a team that is based on pitching they would begin the season with a defensive liability at SS. If he was not going to resign Uribe (good decision) and/or Renteria (probably economically the best choice to sign) he had to have a backup plan that include someone that could handle the position defensively. He did not.
2. Not obtaining a catcher after Posey went down. If they truly had a chance to get Torrealba for Casilla than its even worse. But how one could conclude that they could “get by” with Whiteside and Stewart is beyond me.
3. Cabrera. Why? I don’t know if Neal is going to ever play in the major leagues. But Cabrera made no sense – EVEN IF THEY HAD GOTTEN HIM FOR NOTHING. He was playing at 2B cause it was no longer felt he could effectively play short. And he has proven time and time again that he is a defensive liability. Add to that the fact that he is a hacker extreme with no power and a miniscule OBP and it becomes even more quizzical as to why/how they thought he could help.
Next is Bochy – Again I’m not one to hammer him for his lineup choices day in day out. But I do feel that there is no consequence for the incredibly bad plate approach. And of course, they went WAY too long with the vets. But that is part of who Bochy is – so you take the good with the bad on that.
Next is Ross/Huff/Torres – To overcome the loss of Posey and Sanchez these three needed to pick it up. All three failed. Miserably. I hate to put that on Andres given his condition – but its true.
Also – I agree with those that say the Giants need to revamp their organizational hitting approach.I’vebeen saying that for years.
by lexluth7 on Aug 30, 2011 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
1) Again…Tejada had a .730 OPS and a 1.1 oWAR in the 2nd half of last year. $6 million is 1.5 WAR so not that bad. There were no one else out there…Yes Hardy but also see Ryan Theroit and Jason Bartlett
2) Because there were no one out there to get…the Nationals wanted a top notch prospect for Pudge!
3) I don’t like Cabrera but again no other SS available…I would have preferred to keep Crawford
4) You’re forgetting that Sabean got Beltran.
5) Also the amount of injuries on this team is insane
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haha
There were no one else out there…Yes Hardy
So which is it?
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hindsight. Giants could have just as likely gotten Bartlett rather than Hardy.
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OK
So when you said “There was no one else out there”, that was not true?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yes but Hardy and Bartlett would have cost players…Tejada was a cash deal.
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Holy shit.
The Orioles got Hardy for basically nothing. Tejada was $6M that could have been spent on Josh Bell.
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Could have gave Tejada’s money to Renteria. Sure we’d be bitching about that deal, but less so than Tejada.
That is cray-z.
that wouldn't have made the team better.
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Considering Renteria is at least above replacement level, that would be a false statement.
That is cray-z.
1) Making your decision on the SSS of one half a season is ridiculous.
2) You keep saying this like it’s fact. It’s not. There were rumors that other catchers were available. See Torrealba
3) Awful trade.
4) He gave up our best pitching prospect for two months of a player. Something I think is unwise in almost every instance.
5) No shit.
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Tejada etc
1. I don’t do “War” Quite honestly, the more I see examples given the less I trust it. Further, Tejada was kown to be a defensive liability when the season began. Keeping Renteria would have been the better option. At least he is steady defensively – albeit with poor range.
2. Torrealba was supposedly available at one point.
3. Sometimes doing nothing is the right move. Cabrera has made this team significanlty worse. That is not hindsight. I hated the move when I heard about it.
4. I can not criticise him for the Beltran move. It was a risk – but a reasonable one.
5. Agreed. That is, of course, the biggest problem. I was “assigning blame” within the context of that major porblem (or at least I meant to) Clearly injuries are the No. 1 reason.
1) Renteria also as fragile as a piece of glass…
2) Sure Torrealba was available but Casilla is still a decent pitcher (I know no one here believes it). Also Torrealba is hitting .280/.312/.403 with the Texas lineup and in Texas (dude is hitting .257/.298/.320 away from Texas).
3) I would agree with this.
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As a back-up, Torrealba’s stats would be more than acceptable. He’s also pretty good behind the plate. Probably more valuable to the team overall (even with a health Posey) than Casilla.
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1) Didn’t Tejada play most of the year at 3rd base, and poorly? Also, people watching his defense said that he was terrible at SS for the Padres. Why would we think another year of aging would make him a serviceable SS? 6 million dollars for a bench player is what Sabean signed.
3) It was not worth sending 20 bucks to get Cabrera, let alone a prospect.
I agree with those that say the Giants need to revamp their organizational hitting approach.
…
What is it, exactly?
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Not sure they have one
If they do, I havent seen it – other than “be aggressive”.
Oh. I’m a little confused by those who talk about needing to change the philosophy or coaching or approach but can’t actually pin down what it is. As though philosophy, implementation, and execution is just this gapless concatenation so whatever we see in the game must be what’s prescribed from the top.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Then I'll explain it this way
Look at who the Giants pick up – invariably they are guys who are ultra
“aggressive” refuse to take pitches and lack discipline. They are up and down the Giants lineup.
I simply want to see the Giants focus more on smart situational hitting. I’m not taking about hitting behind runners etc. I’m talking about knowing the difference between a 2-0 count leading off an inning down by 2 late in the game and a 2-0 count hitting seventh with a .190 hitter behind you runners and second and third two outs in a close game. .
Those are very different situations and should involve different approaches. Further “professinal hitters” should be aware of the difference. That should be taught in the minor leagues.
LOL Sabean
frustrated with his team’s performance but unwilling to admit the obvious
I mean dude, what other notion is there?
if it were my team and the cowardly players refused to talk to the press
i would start docking their pay or whatever the union would allow.
apparently the players wont even stand up and publicly face their own ineptitude.
this is the big leagues and they are acting like pathetic little league brats.
no offense to the kids that dont behave like brats and most DONT.
So… the latter, then.
Sounds good!
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
That’s harassment, and they DON’T have to take it.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I think it means he will have God (or whatever) smite them with furious vengeance.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
What’s the reason that the Giants have not developed a good hitter from the farm in recent years (other than Pablo Sandoval)? Is is the scouting, or is it because of their approach to developing hitters?
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Whoops. I think I may have subconsciously blocked him out after the injury
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey was developed on defense. He was ready to hit when he got to the minors.
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
development is what they did with belt. not fuck up is what they did with posey. development is what they did with cain. not fuck up is what they did with lincecum.
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt
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Jury’s out on that one. He’s got too many K’s right now. I’d like to see him get more at-bats before I make a conclusion.
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Pablo Sandoval, Buster Posey say hi
Brandon Belt will be a hitter.
Gary Brown has potential.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 30, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah - you forgot Buster
But historically it is because they concentrated on drafting pitchers – and then either bringing them thru the system or using them as trade bait. This was the approach during the Bonds years. I think we are beginning to see more hitters coming through the system – Pablo, Posey, Belt with Brown on their heels.
Thank God
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Sabean does not see any trades by tomorrow’s deadline for traded players to be eligible for postseason.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
That means we're getting Berkman, Bell, and Joe Nathan
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Wheeler is untouchable!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
To be fair
He never said that, I don’t think. He did say that his untouchables list was different than public perception.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
For what it’s worth (from ESPN):
The Giants: Giants GM Brian Sabean told reporters in San Francisco on Sunday that the Giants have three prospects they won’t trade in any deal. One club reports those players are pitchers Zack Wheeler and Heath Hembree and center fielder Gary Brown, along with just-recalled first baseman Brandon Belt.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
One club reports
So Sabean told some club that Wheeler’s not in play, but that might have been because they didn’t have anything he wanted in exchange.
I kind of wish he’d stuck by that in a more general sense.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I still want to know who was actually on Sabes “untouchable” list, since it clearly did not include Wheeler and Neal.
Alex Hinshaw.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Postseason, ahahahahaha
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by Murray, Present on Aug 30, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants payroll manager arrested for embezzlement
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/iteam&id=8336001#&cmp=twi-kgo-article-8336001
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Never saw that coming
Robin O’Connor worked in the Giants front office for four years. She’s 41 years old, married, has two small children, and until last month was a payroll manager for the team with an annual salary of $80,000.
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Our free fall started a month ago.
Clearly firing her ruined the team chemistry.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 30, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Try this.
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I don't understand how people think they can get away with this kind of stuff
"For science. You monster."
She did, for a while
That’s what I do for a living, and you’d be surprised how many “reputable” companies don’t have the proper oversight in place to prevent these kind of things.
You embezzle for a living?
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
With all the money you’re embezzling, you can afford one!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I already called the FBI. They are on the way to your house right now.
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
You embezle for a living? Call the Feds!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 30, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
At 3 places I’ve worked, the office manager has embezzled money. It seems to be much more common than I would think.
It starts small – diverting a little here, re-writing a check to you there. Then next thing you know, your company has lost hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And rarely does the company get it all back.
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at least
this person thought big. Make it worth the jail time!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 30, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
she really went to town. wow. who wouldnt notice that much money not showing up?
by boyessprings on Aug 30, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
or all of the money? she did give back some... i guess she can use the rest for an attorney
by boyessprings on Aug 30, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
speaking of
I represented someone in a case like this. Not $1.5m, but similar situation, $180k or so.
Got her 3 years probation and restitution. Not that she’ll every actually be able to pay it back.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
what's your contact info
cause I wanna steal $180k. Spend it all on wine and women.Then suffer through 3 miserable years of probation :P
will the giants be too embarrassed to show up?
will the fans be too polite to boo?
will a pitcher go postal?
will we name another player as an animal?
a
Too polite to Boo
You got that right. They should have booed Cabrera out of the stdium yesterdya. As for naming another player after an animal – I believe that Tejada now can be called “The Sloth”
That;s insulting to sloths though
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 30, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
They should also boo Rowand more
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Delicious in a stew.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
related
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Strasburg is back soon
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
Attn: boozers
Can anyone recommend a good website for cocktail recipes? I’d like to be able to search by base alcohol, i.e., what to make with gin, tequila, etc. Thanks!
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2011 5:05 PM PDT reply actions
Try this: http://www.drinksmixer.com/cat/298/
I’ve used this site before (until I broke down and bought my own cocktail recipe book)
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CocktailDB is the gold standard IMO. It looks like you can search by ingredients on there.
Sweet! This is awesome.
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by BaronVonCurrentEvents on Aug 30, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
shift-A
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Jponryerys, the stormborn, first of her name, the unburnt, protector of the realm, mother of dragons, etc etc
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Blood of my blood
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by Murray, Present on Aug 30, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
should i read anything in this post?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
We all decided to blame Canada
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I read this as "blame Cabrera"
"For science. You monster."
You missed a lot of sex in the champagne room… A lot.
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I can still see it
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
isnt sex supposed to be one of those touchy, feely things?
by boyessprings on Aug 30, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
that's love/romance
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
My screen locked up and I had to reload, so I can’t see it anymore.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I think I started it, but I didn’t mean to. My joke-making ability sucks today.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
It probably would have been okay if somebody didn’t really want everybody to read a particular book, although said book was not really part of any alleged discussion.
/is trying not to have sex in the champagne room
//depends on what the definition of “is” is
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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no
of course not. you already know what’s been said
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by positiveuphemism on Aug 30, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Check Johnny Disaster’s .gif of Rowand being fisted. It, uhhh… stays with you.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Aug 30, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
So let me get this straight...
A quarter of the team are injured (at least), their accounts were being embezzled, there may as well be a switchboard at home plate for the way the hitters have been phoning it in, the BFD acquisitions have been a disaster, the kids with the big potential have learned every fast food joint on Blackstone Avenue by the time they make it out of Fresno then get short shrift in S.F., and because of the horrid offense, Cain looks pissed off much of the time, Vogelsong looks like he’s in the middle of an alien invasion much of the time, and Timmy looks like he’s one blown double play away from a 70’s-rock-star-level meltdown. Amirite?
And yet I frakkin’ love this team. ARGH!!! /headwall
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
lolyahoo sports preview
Coming off their worst offensive showing of the season, the Giants try to avoid falling even further out of first place when they face the Chicago Cubs on Tuesday night.
They clearly haven’t watched many Giants game this year. They all look like last night’s game.
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Like this
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What the hell did they see
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe it was an Idol final.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Phew. I thought it was something else.
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by doubleteapot on Aug 30, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand at-bat?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 30, 2011 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions
King's Landing
They cut your tongue off if you aren’t good.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I blame Sabean 100%
Any general manager that fields the worst hitting team in the majors while defending the crown needs to be removed.
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