minor lines, 8/23/11
by steve S on Aug 23, 2011 11:45 PM PDT
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PrintTuesday highlights from the Giants' farm: Craig Westcott had 7.0 shutout IP, and Tyler LaTorre homered and doubled. Also notable, Reiner Roibal had 6.0 shutout IP, and Ben Thomas homered among four hits.
AAA: Fresno defeated Las Vegas 7-6
(scoring go-ahead runs in both the 8th and 9th innings)
Fresno: 2B Emmanuel Burriss: 2 for 5, SB, 2 E
Fresno: C Tyler LaTorre: 2 for 4, HR, 2B
Fresno: SP Daryl Maday: 6.0 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K--1 HR
LaTorre had his 2nd HR and 7th double. Burriss also had two hits, plus his 23rd SB.
Making his 2nd PCL start this year, Maday delivered a quality start. He threw 100 pitches (65 strikes) and had a 10/4 GO/FO line.
AA: Richmond defeated Altoona 6-2 (7 innings) in game 1
Richmond: CF Darren Ford: 2 for 3, 2B, BB
Richmond: RF Francisco Peguero: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Altoona: CF Starling Marte: 1 for 1, 2 BB (1 IBB), E
Richmond: SP Justin Schumer: 4.0+ IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 2 K
Richmond: RP David Quinowski: 3.0 IP, 1 BB, 2 K--1 IBB
Altoona: RP Tim Alderson: 2.0 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K
While every starter in the Flying Squirrels lineup had a hit, only Ford and Peguero had two hits. Their AVGs are now .240 and .299, respectively. Some question whether the Pirates' Marte can transition his high AVG (now .331) to the majors given his low walk rate (BB/AB below 4.0%), but he drew two walks in this game.
Schumer made his upper minors debut, pitching four scoreless innings before not retiring any of his four batters in the 5th inning. Aside from an intentional walk, Quinowski had 3.0 perfect IP, lowering his ERA to 2.63. He stranded both inherited runners too. Alderson, the ex-Giant traded to the Pirates, has allowed 2+ ER in five of his last six relief appearances.
AA: Richmond lost to Altoona 4-3 (7 innings) in game 2
Richmond: C Jackson Williams: 1 for 2, HR
Altoona: C Tony Sanchez: 2 for 3, HR
Richmond: SP Clayton Tanner: 5.1 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 HR, 2 HB
Richmond: RP Heath Hembree: 0.2 IP, 1 H
Williams' 3rd HR since his demotion to the Eastern League was one of just four hits for the Squirrels. Sanchez, whom the Pirates drafted fourth overall two years, has had a disappointing year hitting just .238/.342/.318 through 365 AB, but today he connected for his 5th HR.
Tanner has allowed 4 R in four of his last six starts. Hembree allowed a single to one of his two batters.
A+: San Jose defeated Stockton 1-0
(scoring the game's only run in the bottom of the 8th inning)
San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 1 for 4, 2B, SO
San Jose: C Tommy Joseph: 1 for 3, 2B
San Jose: SP Craig Westcott: 7.0 IP, 6 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 8 K
San Jose: RP Edwin Quirarte: 1.0 IP, 1 K
While no one reached base twice for the Giants, Joseph and Brown had their 31st and 28th doubles, respectively.
Westcott had one of his best starts of the year with 7.0 shutout IP and 8 K. This start pushed his ERA below 3.00. Appearing in his sixth Cal League game after 35 appearances with Richmond, Quirarte pitched a perfect 8th inning.
A-: Augusta lost to Kannapolis 5-4 (11 innings)
Augusta: C Eliezer Zambrano: 3 for 4, 2B, BB (IBB)
Augusta: SP Mario Rodriguez: 4.2 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 2 K
Augusta: RP Seth Rosin: 2.0 IP, 1 BB, 4 K
Making his first appearance in over a month, Zambrano had three hits. He has a .246 AVG in 57 AB this year.
Rodriguez made his first start since May--a role in which he previously strugged before being moved to the bullpen. Rosin struck out four of his eight batters. For the year, he has 82 K in 83.0 IP.
ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Vancouver 12-0
Salem-Keizer: SS Joe Panik: 2 for 4, BB, GiDP, SB
Salem-Keizer: 1B Ben Thomas: 4 for 5, HR, 2B, SO
Salem-Keizer: SP Reiner Roibal: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
Salem-Keizer: RP Phil McCormick: 1.0 IP, 3 K
Thomas had his 1st NWL HR among four hits. Panik reached base three times, raising his OBP to .409.
Roibal faced just one batter over the minimum in 6.0 shutout IP. With a 3.50 ERA, he has been the Volcanoes only starter with an ERA below 4.00. McCormick finished the shutout striking out all three batters in the 9th inning. The 31st rounder got his ERA back below 1.00.
R: Scottsdale had a scheduled off-day
(their final off-day of the season)
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Roibal and Rosin
Thoughts about their seasons?
Roibal has had almost 8 K/9(19.5% K rate). This after posting 14+ K/9 in 8 innings last year.
2.16 BB/9 is shiny, especially since he was at 5 BB/9 last year.
He’s had bad luck this year with a high BABIP. His FIP is 2.77 in 58 innings.
I would’ve liked to see Rosin start more. Too bad they’ve been using him from the pen. He has 8.7 K/9(23%) to go along with 3.1 BB/9 (8%) in 81 innings this year.
Rosin hasn't been as good as a starter
He’s got 31 K, 14 BB, 29 R, 19 ER, 46 H in 44 IP as a starter for rates of 6.34 K/9, 2.86 BB/9 (2.21 K/BB), 9.41 H/9, and a 3.89 ERA.
But he’s gone 51 K, 15 BB, 15 R, 14 ER, 29 H in 39 IP as a reliever for rates of 11.77 K/9, 3.46 BB/9 (3.4 K/BB), 6.69 H/9, and a 3.23 ERA as a reliever.
The starting stats aren’t that bad, particularly the ERA and walk rate, but he’s allowing a lot of hits and not striking many guys out. His walk rate does jump as a reliever, but his K rate skyrockets and he stops allowing so many hits.
Personally, I’m not sure what to make of it; I thought his stats as a starter were actually worse, but they’re not bad enough to prevent Rosin from potentially grabbing a rotation spot in SJ next year, particularly with that rotation being pretty mediocre. Making him a reliever exclusively at this point doesn’t bode well for his future, though. He also hasn’t started a game in nearly two months (6/29 was his last start, though he hasn’t gone more than 3 1/3 innings since May 14th when he threw seven), and I don’t know if that’s indicative of what the Giants think his future is or if they don’t care where he gets innings or how many at a time (no more than 1 IP in his last eight outings before tonight).
With Blackburn, Crick, Osich, Mejia, DeJesus, and possibly Reyes joining guys like Roibal, Flores, Kickham, Escobar, Bucardo, Allen, Main, and Dunning among the lower-level guys whose futures we care about, and only two full season and two short-season affiliates to cover those 12 starting pitchers plus a lot more who fall toward the end of the prospect list and off it, it wouldn’t be hard to imagine that between Rosin’s far superior performance in relief and a potential lack of openings (though again they would open one if they felt strongly about it) he gets put back in the pen. It would be too bad, since I do think he has a lot of potential yet as a starter, but an understandable decision.
Roibal’s done nothing wrong at this point. The K rate is perhaps a tad low, but he’s only 20 and showing impeccable control and getting shit on by BABIP.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Oh Quincy, why do you even try to quote players ages at this point? Roibal is 22 and will be 23 before next ST.
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Wow
Roibal is already 22? My opinion of him just went down.
Damn you, Castro.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Aug 24, 2011 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would have to put Roibal’s season in the disappointing column. Even though he’s been a fairly solid starter, one would hope for much more than that from a guy of his age and with that large of a signing bonus pitching in the NWL. It seems that what we’ve seen this season is a concrete example of how Baggs described the view of him way back in ST – “his stuff just isn’t that good”. I wouldn’t write him off yet, because he does appear to have above-average control. It’s still possible that he develops a killer secondary pitch – like a changeup or cutter. I think that he’s going to find it hard to hang onto a starting spot in Augusta next year, although the Giants will bend over backwards for him due to how much they’ve paid him already.
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That one was because I got mixed up with a bunch of other guys. I’ve been better lately.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Making him a reliever exclusively at this point doesn’t bode well for his future, though.
Actually, I believe that the move to the bullpen will be a long-term positive for his future. He’s had much better results in the pen – especially with his command and control, and K-rates. As several sources noted way back when he was drafted last year, if the Giants sent him to the bullpen his path to the major leagues would likely be much shorter. As the Giants and Padres have shown in the last 2 seasons, you can never have enough good power arms in the pen for your big league club.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
command and control better in the pen?
quincy’s numbers above show lower walk rates as a starter. He has better K/BB, but that’s because his K rate goes up dramatically while his BB rate only goes up a little.
At first glance at the raw numbers it might appear that way, but if you’ve been following his season it’s been obvious that he’s much more in control since they moved him to the pen. Most likely it’s due to the fact that he doesn’t have to throw as many secondary pitches in relief as he did when he was starting. He’s always been very accurate and in command with his FB. When you dig deeper into his stats you’ll see the following:
1. Rosin had a BB/9 of 2.9 in his 10 starts, but he wlaked at least 1 batter in 9 of his 10 starts.
2. Rosin has a BB/9 of 3.5 in his 25 relief appearances, but he walked 0 batters in 14 of his 25 relief appearances.
3. Rosin walked only 1 batter in 8 of his 25 relief appearances and 2 batters in 2 of his relief appearances.
4. In terms of BBs, Rosin had only a single bad outing in relief (on Juy 26th) when he walked 3 batters in 2.2 innings.
5. In terms of BBs, Rosin had 3 bad starts (33%) out of a total of 10.
6. At least 1 of the batters that Rosin walked in relief was an intentional BB.
7. Ignore Rosin’s one bad relief outing and subtract out his 1 IBB and he ends up with a relief BB/9 of 2.7.
In general, it’s easier for a pitcher to keep his BB-rate down as a starter because he gets to get in a rhythm, find out what the ump is calling a strike on a given night and rack up the innings in each appearance. As a reliever, on the other hand, he’s pitching much more often and for only 1 to 3 innings per appearance. You don’t have the luxury of being able to get into a groove and you’re almost always coming into a high-stress situation.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Thanks for the insight.
I hesitate at such selective parsing of data, but it’s useful, and I might just buy it.
He may end up in the bullpen
But putting him there now is not a vote of confidence. If they leave him in the rotation, they think he has a chance to stick, and if they stick him in the pen, he may get to the majors faster, but that’s a serious indictment of his ability.
I’d be kinda pissed if they did think he could start but blew that chance because they wanted him to pitch out of the pen in the majors.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
That’s just it. The Giants are pretty obviously saying that they don’t think he can start in the majors. Barring injury concerns, there’s no way that they put Rosin in a short-relief role in the pen for this long stretch of time at this point in his career if they believe that he can be a starter in the future. I’ve seen no reports or signs that there’s any injury or healt concern with Rosin. Either the evaluators didn’t like the difference in his velocity between his starts and his relief appearances and/or they didn’t have faith in his abiltiy to develop a 3rd pitch to make him an effective starter.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Seems like there’s a lot of bad BABIP going on in SK. I know Mendoza and Flores FIPs are well below their ERAs as well and I think that’s true of a lot of that staff. I’m assuming that maybe we’ve got extremely limited range on the defensive side.
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What’s the report on Mendoza’s stuff? He must have a decent change up with those crazy reverse splits – 2.21 ERA and .231 BAA versus lefties and 4.84 ERA / .271 BAA versus righties.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 24, 2011 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Defensively the SK team is actually pretty solid. Most of the hits are seeing eye crap that people just can’t get to. If it wasn’t for some serious range it would be even worse. Buechelle is pretty exceptional on slow rollers, makes the barehanded grab/throw as well as anyone I’ve seen here. Payne makes plays in the outfield most guys don’t get close to and so does Gallindo. Panik hasn’t really been tested much but he’s been pretty solid, his biggest issue has been balls hit right at him.
I think the BABIP issue is more just bad luck. Really.
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Isn’t the right side of the infield rather porous? Downing and Eshleman at 2B don’t shout above-average range and D to me, and Brice Cutspec and Ben Thomas aren’t going to win any awards with their D at 1B. Izturis and Brock are supposed to be good defenders, but they didn’t get much PT at 2b and 1b this season.
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Bilodeau and Davis promoted
I noticed that Keith Bilodeau, the 24th rd. pick from the Univ. of Maine, made his debut in S-K last night after 5 stellar relief appearances for the AZL Giants. He struck out 3 and gave up 2 singles and 1 BB in 2 innings of relief.
According to the updated rosters, Paul Davis, the 17th rd. pick out of Florida Atlantic Univ., was also promoted from Scottsdale to S-K. He was one of the better starters for the AZL Giants over the last 6 weeks, so I imagine he’s going to be put in the starting rotation for S-K now.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Paul Davis
21 y.o. RHP
AZL stats: 36.2 IP, 6.63 K/9(17.9%), 2.70 BB/9(7.3%), 2.45 K/BB, .277 BABIP,1.17 WHIP
He’s 21, so I like the fact that they’re pushing him. The K-rate is pretty meh, but at least he has decent C&C. Anyone have velo. numbers on him or stuff reports?
Bilodeau looked really good last night. Nice breaking ball with excellent control of it. Had the hitters off balance and most didn’t even bother to swing at it. Hung one for a base hit but that was really all the damage they could muster.
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Rosin
If you look at when he was starting this season- all of his starts were early on. Nobody was hitting and the team defense was nowhere as good as they have been in the second half. He absolutely should be a starter and will succeed very well when he has a solid team behind him. I think they are seeing what he’s made of this year and he’s proven he can fill multiple roles which should make him even more valuable.
by Stitchman on Aug 24, 2011 8:44 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think we should all have a little party if ToJo pushes his OPS above 800
A little cake, maybe some punch. He started the year so badly.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Is "ToJo" officially his nickname?
Flows well but it’s really difficult to yell, “Get a hit, ToJo!” at games.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 24, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I am by no means the arbiter of official nicknames
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
ToJo has previously been determined to be a PI nickname for Tommy Boy due to its unfortunate association with the head of the Japanese push for hemispheric and ethnic domination back in WWII.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
It’s especially offensive to people of Chinese, Korean and Phillipino descent.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I wasn't trying to get on you for the nickname
It’s just that I did almost yell, “Get a hit, Tojo!” at the game Saturday night.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 24, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
ToJo and bombs are bad references.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 24, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
JoLT splits by month
April .270/.309/.416/.725
May .164/.212/.236/.448
June .297/.340/.484/.824
July .299/.346/.567/.913
August .351/.370/.753/1.124
Now if only he could learn to boost his BB% above 8%(currently sitting at 4.7%).
That was weird
Clayron Blackburn got the start again today and he got the first 2 batters out in the first inning, but then gave up a HR, single and HR to the next 3 batters he faced to allow 3 earned runs. After that he didn’t allow a hit to the last 14 batters that he faced, although he did hit 1 batter in the 4th inning, and only allowed one ball to leave the infield. All-in-all a veiry weird line of:
5 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 1 HB, 4 K, 0 BB
It seemed like he must have not warmed up enough and started the game without being properly sweated and loose.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
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