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Sunday highlights from the Giants' farm: Eric Surkamp had 8.0 scoreles IP; Mike Kickham had 7.0 scoreless IP; and Max Ramirez, Adam Duvall, Jeff Arnold, and Garrett Buechele homered as part of multi-hit performances.

Star-divide

AAA: Fresno defeated Las Vegas 3-2

Fresno: RF Justin Christian: 2 for 4, 2 2B, SO, SB, E
Fresno: C Max Ramirez: 2 for 4, HR, 2 SO

Fresno: SP Matt Yourkin: 6.0 IP, 7 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 6 K--1 PO
Las Vegas: SP Brad Mills: 7.0 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 5 K--1 HR, 1 PO

Ramirez's solo HR in the 7th inning, his 9th HR this year, provided the go-ahead run.  Christian had his 14th and 15th PCL doubles.

Yourkin had one of his better starts of the year.  His ERA remains a bit above 4.50.  Mills, who made his last four starts for the Blue Jays in the majors, had a quality start but took the loss.  Both starters threw 103 pitches.

AA: Richmond defeated Akron 2-0

Richmond: RF Juan Perez: 2 for 3

Richmond: SP Eric Surkamp: 8.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 4 K
Richmond: RP Heath Hembree: 1.0 IP, 1 K

Perez was the game only's player with two hits, raising his AVG to an even .250.

Surkamp had another statistically dominant start, facing just four batters batters over the minimum.  His 4 K were his lowest strikeout total in his last six starts.  He had a 9/8 GO/FO line.  He threw 94 pitches (59 strikes).  Hembree had a perfect 9th inning for his 15th save.

A+: San Jose defeated High Desert 4-3
(rallying for three unearned runs in the bottom of the 9th inning)

San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 1 for 5
San Jose: SS Ehire Adrianza: 1 for 4, 2B, BB, 3 SO
San Jose: 3B Nick Noonan: 2 for 4, BB

San Jose: SP Chris Heston: 7.1 IP, 10 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 8 K

Noonan had the Giants' only multi-hit line, and Adrianza's 19th double was their only XBH.  Brown had an unremarkable line.

Heston made his tenth start since the Cal League's all-star break.  The 10 H were the most he has allowed in that time, but this was also his first start without a walk.  Overall, his sixth straight quality start lowered his season ERA to 3.43.

A-: Augusta defeated Charleston 9-1

Augusta: CF Ryan Lollis: 3 for 5, 2B
Augusta: DH Adam Duvall: 2 for 3, HR, BB, HBP
Augusta: C Jeff Arnold: 3 for 5, HR, 2B, SO
Augusta: SS Ydwin Villegas: 3 for 4, 2B, E

Augusta: SP Mike Kickham: 7.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K

Pacing the GreenJackets' seventeen-hit attack were Lollis, Arnold, and Villegas with three hits each.  For Lollis, it was his sixth multi-hit line in his last nine games.  Arnold had his 6th HR and 16th double.  Villegas finds his AVG still below the Mendoza line, though--a disappointing result for someone in his second SAL Season.  Duvall, who reached base four times, had his 22nd HR.

Kickham had perhaps the most effective start of his pro career, facing just three batters over the minimum in 7.0 scoreless IP.  He had a 9/3 GO/FO line.

ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Vancouver 8-7

Salem-Keizer: LF Shawn Payne: 3 for 4, 2B, BB, SO, 3 SB
Salem-Keizer: 3B Garrett Buechele: 3 for 4, HR, 2B, SO

Salem-Keizer: SP Brandon AlleXXn: 2.0 IP, 5 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 1 K
Salem-Keizer: RP Aaron King: 2.2 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 4 BB, 2 K--2 WP

Buechele had his 4th HR and 8th double among three hits.  Payne also had three hits, raising his AVG above .300.

Allen's thirteenth start was perhaps his shortest start of his pro career, dropping his W-L record this year to 2-8.  King was the first of three Volcanoes relievers with at least 2.0 IP.  Despite his continued control issues (16 BB in his last 7.2 IP over seven appearances), he allowed just a single run in this appearance.

R: Giants defeated Angels 7-3

Scottsdale: SS Kelby Tomlinson: 2 for 4, 3B, BB
Scottsdale: 1B Stephen Yarrow: 3 for 5, SO

Scottsdale: SP Edwin Escobar: 4.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 4 K--1 HB

Both Tomlinson and Yarrow reached base three times for the rookie Giants.  Tomlinson, the Giants' twelfth rounder, has hit .345/.405/.546 through his first 119 AB.

Escobar had one of his better performances of the year, but his ERA remains above 4.00.

DSL: The Gigantes concluded their regular season yesterday
(finishing with a 35-32 W-L record)

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Hm

I wonder if we might see Hembree in September. Also in the SurKamp.

That is cray-z.

by DrDC on Aug 21, 2011 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Honestly though...

How is this guy not up in the Majors yet? We’d rather have Runzler pitch than a guy who has a 2.02 era in 142in along with 165k’s and pinpoint control? Yeah… That makes perfect sense. What could possibly be keeping him down? And please don’t say the 40 man roster, there’s a ton of garbage on it.

by iHateBochy on Aug 21, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Possibly the fact that he missed half of last year with a hip injury

And he has surpassed last years total, 101 innings, by 40 already. Add in the fact that Richmond’s season ends in 2+ weeks (September 5th), they likely do not feel an urgency to promote him. They likely want to keep his innings down a bit, and likely have him finish with around 150-160 IP.

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by OmahaGiants on Aug 22, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

You may not want to hear “40 man roster” but you know that’s the reason. When you call up a struggling pitcher like Edlefsen, what other possible reason could there be?

Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.

by rxmeister on Aug 22, 2011 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know if it’s fair to call Edlefsen “struggling.” He had a rough first half of the season but he was pitching through elbow troubles. Then he went on the DL for a month and since he’s come back he’s been fine. Certainly the fact that he was on the 40 man was a deciding factor in bringing him up, but it’s as true to say that the Giants evaluation of him in their pitching depth chart is the deciding factor for putting him on the 60 man.

That said, if Sanchez doesn’t get healthy in a hurry I wouldn’t be too surprised to see Surkamp get the call at some point. They do still have the option of moving Zito to the 60 day DL to create one more spot.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don’t know where people are getting this impression. He dominated in spring training, dominated in April, got hurt and was rocked pitching through injury, struggled for a couple of weeks after coming off the DL and has been fine since the All-star break. This is after he had a dominant year where he posted a 2.38 ERA with a 3.38 GO/AO – I really don’t think it should be a surprise if he comes up and contends for a (pleasepleaseplease) post-season roster spot.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 22, 2011 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also, as excited about Surkamp as I am, he is in AA.

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 22, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was at the SJ Game

It was pretty uneventful until the 9th, and they wouldn’t have won without a lot of fielding mistakes by the Mavericks. Also, the walk off was on an infield grounder. But, it was still great to see a walk off! Heston looked pretty good, but was somewhat wild. It was amazing he didn’t issue any walks.

Also, I did the “get an on-field picture with a player if you spend $100 in the team store” promo today with Ryan Cavan. It turned out great!

(Sorry if the picture is gigantic. Photobucket sucks, but I’m too lazy to use a different service.)

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by kdl on Aug 21, 2011 11:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Wow, you’re everywhere this weekend!

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 5:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

Got my mom to her first San Jose game yesterday! :)

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for posting the picture – nice to see each of you. Did you get a chance to chat a bit with him? What’s your impression of Ryan?

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by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn’t really chat with him yesterday, but I have before. From what I can tell, he seems funny, outgoing, friendly and really nice. My favorite story about him is that once, after a game that was a total blowout, he thanked us for staying for the whole game. Good kid. Love watching him play defense, too!

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s a great anecdote – thanks for sharing. It’s hard not to root for guys like that.

If my life is for rent, and I don't learn to buy, then I deserve nothing more than I get, 'cause nothing I have is truly mine. - Dido Armstrong

by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

Cavan

Really is a nice guy and focused. We were at a team bbq and while most of the team was consuming grog at a tremendous rate Cavan sat at a table with a couple of us old folks and a couple other players playing cards, drinking pop. It was during this that he made the statement “I’m going to start hitting home runs, singles are for pussies.”

Adopted father of Brian Bocock, Brad Boyer, Sharlon Schoop, Shane Jordan, Jeremiah Luster,Trey Webb,David Quinowski, Jeff Arnold,Brandon Allen, Chris Gloor and Brian Maloney.

"GM Jack Zduriencik is one of the sharper tools in the shed. Elsewhere in that shed, Brian Sabean continues to pound screws into bricks with a garden rake."

by RichH on Aug 22, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, my son was a bat boy that year and the bat boys all love Cavan. He spent a lot of time with them playing pepper and offering fielding instruction for those willing to listen.

Adopted father of Brian Bocock, Brad Boyer, Sharlon Schoop, Shane Jordan, Jeremiah Luster,Trey Webb,David Quinowski, Jeff Arnold,Brandon Allen, Chris Gloor and Brian Maloney.

"GM Jack Zduriencik is one of the sharper tools in the shed. Elsewhere in that shed, Brian Sabean continues to pound screws into bricks with a garden rake."

by RichH on Aug 22, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great stories! Thanks! He’s always so great with the fans, making sure every kid gets his autograph or whatever.

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow! Even better. Now I’m definitely pulling for him. Thanks, Rich. Man, I’d love to have a nice long chat with you sometime about the guys you’ve seen come through. It would be fascinating.

If my life is for rent, and I don't learn to buy, then I deserve nothing more than I get, 'cause nothing I have is truly mine. - Dido Armstrong

by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

We finally got ours at Saturday's game

Wanted Gary Brown but apparently he’s a bit of a prima donna now, so we were asked for our backup. I chose Ehire. Great kid, my father spoke to him (in Spanish). I was shocked when we went to shake hands that his hand completely enveloped mine. This kid’s got room to grow.

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 22, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ehire still looks like he’s about 15 to me. It was his birthday yesterday, but I didn’t see him to say happy birthday.

Gary Brown is probably the only player on the whole team who isn’t very friendly. :( It’s a bummer.

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thankfully he shaved the mustache!

"This is almost certainly a terrible idea. But I won't know for certain until I've actually done it." — Jez from Peep Show

by Giant Fan in Singapore on Aug 22, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know, right! He’s so cute! /fangirl

Also, I think we’ve established that he’s not that short. Where’s Marcello? ;-) I’m almost 5’4". I was wearing flip flops, and he had his spikes on, but he looks a good 6" or more taller than me.

@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.

by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Surrrrrr

Kamp!

Just curios but what is Paniks line looked like so far? Havent really seen him in many of these posts.

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by ELOOIE on Aug 21, 2011 11:47 PM PDT reply actions  

.345/.405/.463

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by Gobroks on Aug 22, 2011 12:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

He’s got a few steals too (something like 15, I think)

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?

by shikantaza on Aug 22, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

12 (per BR)

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by Gobroks on Aug 22, 2011 12:48 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Panik in league leaders categories:

Avg: 1st
OBP: 3rd
SLG: 5th (!!!!!!!)*
Hits: 1st

Also, he has more BB (24) than K (21) which makes me very happy. Not terribly far away from having more XBH (15) than K as well. Good looking bat!

Obviously that’s predominantly BA driven. He’s nowhere to be found in any of the XBH categories and his Iso’s only .118.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 5:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah his debut is definitely encouraging

Especially the K:BB- looks like a nice contact hitter with a good idea of a strikezone

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by Gobroks on Aug 22, 2011 8:05 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am disowning my son next year

Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN

by Nnamdi Asomugha on Aug 22, 2011 12:22 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes. San Jose is going to the playoffs and Richmond isn’t, so his best shot at extra PT is staying put.

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by garbanzo24 on Aug 22, 2011 1:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

FREE MOTHERFUCKING SURKAMP

Seriously, though, after today’s start, I have no faith in Runzler. It’s obvious Surkamp is ready for the majors. I get the ‘we don’t want to release someone to try to save one game’ mentality, but if Sanchez misses another start and any more time after that, I really don’t see the downside in DFA’ing DeRosa’s floppy wrist, sending down Runzler, and calling up Surkamp as well as Crawford to replace DeRosa.

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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Aug 22, 2011 2:00 AM PDT reply actions  

Free Surkamp, but keep him away from my mother.

Temperance, like Chastity is it's own punishment.

by wineguy73 on Aug 22, 2011 2:36 AM PDT reply actions  

Three tools are better than one.

Christian is a paradox. Older vets get all the playing time over the prospects who’ve been called up because of their age/experience. Justin is too old/experienced to be considered a prospect and get called up.

Temperance, like Chastity is it's own punishment.

by wineguy73 on Aug 22, 2011 2:46 AM PDT reply actions  

True

There’s no doubt that JC is not a prospect. But Darren Ford is 25 and has now had exactly one good season at any level of the minors (as a 23-year-old in the Cal League). He really isn’t much of a prospect either.

by taliesin on Aug 22, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hembree

I’ll just repeat and update my comment from yesterday since I got in on that post after the traffic left:

After a rough start in AA with 4 walks in his first 1 IP (over two appearances), Hembree’s righted the ship and walked only 3 batters in his last 22 IP. He had one very poor outing where he walked two, gave up two hits including a HR and 4 ER, but other than that he’s been outstanding in the EL. In the EL he has a K/9 of 11.35 with a 4.1 k/bb. For the season (combined) he has a 1.92 FIP, with 14 k/9 a 3.8 k/bb and a .280 k-bb differential.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 6:21 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

He had a similar history in SJ where he had one bad appearance when he gave up 3 BBs, but had a relatively low BB-rate in his other 24 appearances. His BB-rate in Richmond has been even better than it was in SJ, although his K-rate has gone down just a bit. I think that’s a product of hitters not waiting around for him to throw them 4 balls in hopes of getting a free pass. Word has probably gotten around that if you take too many pitches agaisnt Hembree you’ll likely end up with a K on your ledger. I think that we can put the reputation of him being wild to bed now. Between what he’s done his first 2 pro seasons it’s obvious that the Giants have been able to change something in his mechanics and/or his approach that has allowed him to overcome that particular holdover from his final college season.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that the work regimen of a relief pitcher leads to a certain lack of command though, just because they’re in-game time is so brief, they’re never allowed the time to get in a rhythm. They don’t have side sessions, they don’t really get the opportunity to iron out mechanical issues. It’s just throw 7 or 8 pitches in the bullpen and then come in and try and get three (or one) hitters out.

Really makes you appreciate even more the astonishing season Romo’s having.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, and Hembree’s final college stats were also probably hampered by the fact that it was his first season as a reliever – after being a starter since his junior year in high school.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Debuts in the desert

The Giants 5th round and 23rd round draftees in the recent draft made their pro debuts for the AZL Giants yesterday:
Chris Marlowe: 1 IP, 0 R, 1 1B, 1 BB, 2K, 2 GO >> K Machine from OSU got the win in his first pro game
Jonathan Jones: 0 for 3, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 GO, 1 FO >> teenaged slugger from Quebec was the DH
 
Susac and Oropesa should be debuting any day now.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 6:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Nice! Thanks for keeping us updated.

I’ll be watching Susac and Oropesa very closely.

by GiantPain on Aug 22, 2011 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jon Jones from this spring

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 7:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just re-read your old posts on him - 3B/1B

Big kid though. And only 19! That’s the kind of guy you dream on.

by GiantPain on Aug 22, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

He’s a big-bopper who has been playing 3B the past 2 years, but many evaluators think he’ll grow into a 1B-only guy. Although, one ex-MLB scout did compare him to Scott Rolen at 3B.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

Formidable!

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by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

For-mee-dahb!

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

C’est vrai!

If my life is for rent, and I don't learn to buy, then I deserve nothing more than I get, 'cause nothing I have is truly mine. - Dido Armstrong

by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

How did Marlowe get 2K and 2 GO in 1 IP?

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by quincy0191 on Aug 22, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

oops

Good catch. That was a typo, it should read 1 K.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

Zack Wheeler in Florida yesterday

5 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 2 BB, 9 K
 
That trade is looking more tarnished every day.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 8:05 AM PDT reply actions  

I think it took him a start or two to adjust to the move, and now he’s just rolling. I miss him.

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Im trying to justify it in my head…only 5 IP! Two walks? Total bust….but no, he’s going to be good.

by Rdubya on Aug 22, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s pretty obvious that the Mets have backed off on his pitch limit. That’s not surprising when you consider how few innings that he pitched last year and how many he’s pitched this year.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

There’s still plenty of time for the trade to give us what we needed from it. I still think it was the right move to make. As for Wheeler, I’d just let that go and wish him well. It doesn’t really matter to us anymore what he does.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 8:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speak for yourself! ;-) Seriously, though, I got to know Zack while he was here, and I will always follow him.

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that’s the “wish him well” part. I just mean from a standpoint of obsessing over each performance and nurses grievances, that that’s probably not so healthy.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, you’re right. One thing that helps is that I know he wouldn’t be helping the big club right now regardless, so when the lose a series to the Astros, I’m not thinking, “If only they had kept Wheeler.”

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll follow his career, because I want to see if my optimism in his future as a major league pitcher was spot on or biased by emotions.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

no use living in the past

I hope the kid does very well.
The Giants did what they did and it very well could bite them squarely on the ass. The best thing to do is root for the kid and hope that Beltran comes back and leads us to the postseason.

Peace

by bernardking on Aug 22, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

Shawn Payne is scorching hot

He’s an interesting guy to keep an eye on. He’s old (22.1), raw and has a lot to learn, but he’s very athletic, a plus, plus defender in CF and is reportedly the 2nd fastest runner on the S-K team (behind Galindo). Going forward, if he can continue to put up a great OBP (.429) and keep his BBs at elite levels (24 = 14.3%) and Ks in check (31 = 18.5%) then he’s going to be a great find for the 35th round.

He started out slowly in his first month, then was sidelined by a small injury issue in July, but he’s been raking since he came back from that break. Here’s his batting line for the month of August:
.457/.537/.571/1.108 in 13 games and 35 ABs
 
Between Brown, Peguero, Payne and Galindo we’ve got a real good mix of talent in CF down on the farm.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 8:36 AM PDT reply actions  

You know Sabes can never have enough CFs! That’s what really shocked me about bypassing Mahtook.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Chuckie Jones takes offense at your list, despite seldom being allowed to play CF.

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by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Or at all lately. Of course, he’s in another of his funks where he’s struck out every AB for 3 games.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Which could suggest that Chuckie needs to take a little more offense in general.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Rim shot!

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by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that it’s been made pretty obvious that the Giants are going to use Chuckie as a LF/RF going forward.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 10:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect they think he’s got enough on his hands just worrying about his offensive game.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that his leg issues from this spring also made them realize that it’s probably not a good idea to put the pressure on him with all the quick starts, stops and change-of-directions in CF.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Payne is very impressive on defense and it’s nice to see his bat heating up. Again he made a couple very nice plays last night and caught one ball that most guys don’t get close to. He’s done that several times that I’ve seen and made some absolutely incredible catches.

No power showing up yet but maybe he’ll find a little.

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by RichH on Aug 22, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the radio announcer is very vocal about Payne’s great defense and speed.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was at this game, Payne has great talent

Payne indeed made a great running catch, ranging FAR to right field to track down a scorcher. He also made several great throws to the cut-off that held runners, he has a nice cannon in CF and ranges well. I’m not sure if the Canadians just don’t get his speed, but he was on 2nd and the had the shift on to the right side of the infield for some SK hitter (can’t recall) and very heads up, he basically jogged over to third. Smart player.

by LO_D on Aug 23, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was a very heads up play on his part. They had the shift on for Mike Murray, guess they didn’t care at all about Payne but the guy playing third looked a bit confused when he ran. Good times.

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by RichH on Aug 23, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

While everyone else was out getting their SurKKKKKKamp jerseys...

…I was getting my KKKKKicKKKKKKham jersey! 6’4, 210, lefty from Missouri. What’s not to like? Well, I guess he’s a bit old. But…KKKKKKicKKKKKham!

by InTimmyWeTrust on Aug 22, 2011 9:03 AM PDT reply actions  

I continue to be a Kickham supporter. He was in my pre-season Top 10, and I suspect that he just might end up in my post-season Top 10 as well. Go, Mike!

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by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s my boy!

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Aug 22, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

Adrianza = DH

I have to think that Ehire’s stint as the DH last night was the first of his pro career.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

A good guess, but apparently untrue! For some reason, the site is wigging out on me and I can’t seem to use the link tool, but Ehire’s BRef page lists 2 DHgames, both this year with SJ.

A couple weeks ago when Jurica started playing in games again in Scottsdale I wondered if they might move Adrianza up to Richmond and bring Jurica back to SJ. Now it’s probably too late in the season to bother (especially since they’d almost certainly bring him back to SJ for the playoffs), so they’ll have to figure out how to make both of them in the same lineup (and Nick Noonan and Ryan Cavan) work for a few weeks.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder how much longer it will be before they silently admit that they made a mistake on Jurica and stop giving him premium gigs? Based on past history, I’m going to put the over/under at the end of the 2012 season. Although, it’s hard for me to think of where he gets PT at SS next year. If you start Crawdaddy in Fresno, Adrianza in Richmond, Panik in SJ and some combo of Tomlinson/Otero/Relaford/Delgado in Augusta and S-K, then where does Jurica fit in? He might have a small chance to land in Richmond if Crawdaddy makes the SF roster and they skip Adrianza all the way up to Fresno, but that seems a real longshot to me.
 

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

That’s an interesting question. I guess I can see them moving Panik to 2b at SJ and keeping Jurica there as SS. Of course, Willoughby loses out in that scenario. I would think that all three of those guys will be in SJ next year though, so either they’ll figure out a rotation for it or somebody stops being a starter (or injuries will make it not an issue, as mostly happened this year with Jurica and Adrianza.)

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was implying that a move off of SS would be the same as admitting their mistake. Besides, Jurica hits so poorly and doesn’t steal bases that it’s hard for me to see any worth at all in him unless he is at SS. I will be stunned if the Panik was moved to 2B before the 2013 season, and he would have to have a total collapse in the defense next spring even for that to be seriously considered. Also, I can’t see Jurica starting full-time over Willoughby. If anything, I would guess that Duvall would be moved to 2B and Buechele take over at 3B before Jurica would start at 2B.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

Let's muddy the waters even further

What if Crawford starts at SS in San Francisco next year? How would you arrange the SS scenario?

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by Lyle on Aug 22, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I guess that would mostly depend on who the other SS on the SF team would be and how confident I was that Crawford would stay with the big club all season. Assuming that the answerrs to those questions were: ‘Fontenot’ and ‘fairly certain’ then here’s what I would do:

Fresno: Adrianza
Richmond: Noonan and Schoop
SJ: Panik (Haney in reserve)
Augusta: Tomlinson and Jurica (split time to start the season)
S-K: Relaford/Otero (whoever doesn’t get the startng nod gets to start at SS in the AZL)
AZL: Otero/Relaford (Rando Moreno in reserve)

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If Crawford starts in Fresno then Adrianza starts in Richmond and all the others stay the same.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’d agree with all of that except Buechele going to San Jose. I’m not sure I see any justification for that. He seems ticketed to Augusta to me.

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by Roger on Aug 23, 2011 5:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Eric Sim

Anybody have a sense for what the future looks like for the Korean kid who is at Scottsdale, Eric Sim? I would love to hear from someone who has seen him, his numbers this year look very impressive.

by Robert Burroughs on Aug 22, 2011 11:32 AM PDT reply actions  

His defense is top-notch, so he should get a nice bump up to Augusta next year. His offensive jump in the AZL is nice, but don’t put too much stock in it at this point.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’m told by the guys staying with me that he is outstanding. They really think highly of him.

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by RichH on Aug 22, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow! Least Giants-esque rally in history taking place in Scottsdale this afternoon as the Baby Giants score 4 times in the second inning on 7 walks! God love the rookie leagues.

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by Roger on Aug 22, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions  

9 walks in 2 innings! Get Dunston down there to straighten them out

by Rdubya on Aug 22, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jon Jones gets his first pro hit – a HR! Kid’s got some serious power. Let’s hope that’s the first of many more to come.

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by Fla-Giant on Aug 22, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll want him to succeed for nothing other than having his nickname be Martian Manhunter.

by kaliber on Aug 23, 2011 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Justin Schumer just tweeted that he’s joining Richmond.

@schume2: On my way up to Altoona to meet up with Richmond, crazy how fast things can turn around. #leggo

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I’d think this has got to be a temporary assignment.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 22, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions  

I assumed, too. That’s why I said “joining Richmond,” and didn’t use the word “promoted.” :)

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by kdl on Aug 22, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh - I figured you'd assumed that....

…Mr. Schumer I’m not so sure about.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 22, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

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