The Barry Zito Conundrum
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 2, 2011 1:57 PM PDT
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In theaters this summer! Every scene has a huge explosion, and it cost $126 million to produce. Also, there's a toenail in your popcorn. It's not yours. It's painted, but I'm not sure if that makes you feel worse or better. Probably worse.
Barry Zito was put on the disabled list with a foot sprain that he when Bruce Bochy dropped an anvil on his foot. Or slammed it in a car door. It was probably something related to an Acme product, actually. Rockets and such. Or maybe the Giants just invented a recurring foot sprain out of thin air to b ... no, no that can't be it. I shan't be cynical like that, I just shan't.
The contract was a train wreck before the ink was dry. The subsequent years of average pitching was a small bonus, like finding out the train was carrying hornets, jars of mayonnaise, and saxophones when it went up in flames. It wasn't such a bad story, then. Now we're realizing that the train was made from asbestos and orphans. It's even worse than we imagined.
Let's see ... failed Hollywood blockbuster ... transportation accident ... come on, you stupid thing ... work better.
Actually, you don't need analogies or similes to know that Barry Zito has been bad. He's like the bad pitcher of bad pitchers. And now there's all sorts of talk about sunk costs -- some of it is even accurately describing what a sunk cost is! Is it time to eat the contract? There's something like $55 million left.
I'm not there yet. Call me weak, call me a dreamer, and call me a spineless weenie, but while I'm ready to never watch Zito start another game, I think it would be a mistake to release him without seeing if he could be a passable reliever.
The argument against Zito in the bullpen during the playoffs last year was that he hadn't pitched in the playoffs before. Fair enough. But he'll be back on the roster when it expands in September -- if his foot is healed, I mean! -- and that's when to try him out.
Wait! Don't leave. Hear me out. First, remember what it is that Guillermo Mota does around here. He pitches in blowouts, or he's the last guy up in extra innings. The Giants' bullpen is deep enough, and the starters usually go long enough, that there really is a designated garbage-time guy. It's Mota. Ol' Garbage Time Guillermo. It's nice to have a guy like that because it's not like you're really going to find 11 or 12 great pitchers at any one time.
But here's the breakdown of what the Giants could spend on a garbage-time, back-o'-the-bullpen guy:
If it's Zito: $56 million or some crap
If Zito is released and the Giants have another guy be the garbage-time pitcher: $56.5 million
It's the same thing as the Rowand/Burrell dillema. The money's gone. Yet I still cling to the belief that Zito could do okay in the Keiichi Yabu, Joe Roa, and Jeff Fassero memorial role. That's how far we've sunk. And if he can do that well enough, he'll save the Giants a half-million dollars or so every year compared to if the Giants just release him.
There are other considerations -- if he'll be too much of a distraction, if it's worth $.5 million a year for the fans not to think of him, etc... -- and those are valid concerns. He's never had a huge platoon split, so he'll never be a Javier Lopez-type. But put him in the bullpen in September, and keep him there next spring.
If there's a double-header or a long rain delay -- Zito! If there's a 9-2 score in the fifth -- Zito! If there's a 16-inning game -- Zito!
It's come to this. And I'm not going to fight for this position. If he's no longer on the team, well, it's been real. But I think there's some utility to squeeze out of the guy yet.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Aug 2, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Nothing else needs to be said.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Nothing wrong
With an avocado omlette.
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So delicious
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Did I say there was?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
READ BETWEEN THE LINES
BRANDON BELT HATES AVOCADOS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Avocado Man
was suspended 15 games for steroid use.
IT WAZ JUST FLAX SEED OIL !!
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if I sit somewhere else next time, it should be fine.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Doesn't someoen sit in those seats every home game tho?
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But not me
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’d be happy to see Zito serving me an omlette. Maybe wearing only an apron.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
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Not my thing personally
but it does still seem less cringe-worthy than watching him pitch.
I don’t think the health inspectors would agree with that.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
/Zito serves you an omlette that misses the plate
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
But the fuckin' omlette still costs $472
by jerry.bail.bonds on Aug 2, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/Zito accidentally serves you a meatball.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rotten tomatoes
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by milesntrane on Aug 2, 2011 2:24 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Exxon abogado?
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Meh
Unless Surkamp or Runzler is ready, no reason to DFA Zito.
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It’s come to this. And I’m not going to fight for this position. If he’s no longer on the team, well, it’s been real. But I think there’s some utility to squeeze out of the guy yet.
I think you’re delusional.
Zito Lemon Party
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
worst political convention
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Merges with Zito Tea Party
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Sign me up for the Sweet Tea Party.
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by TheLetter2 on Aug 2, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Has any high-priced pitching flop (Hampton, Pavano, etc) ever made even a semi-successful transition to the bullpen? It seems to me that this idea has no precedent.
Do the dollar signs determine the quality of the pitcher? Look who we are talking about! However, if you want to look at meh starters who were converted to relievers with some success, Rivera and Papelbon come to mind. I’m not saying Zito will have Wilson’s job soon – just agreeing with Grant – there’s no harm in trying it.
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It's the Perspective Machine 3500!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I only saw that it was an Anal something.
Interesting insight into Grant’s psyche, that.
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He's obviously not going anywhere
But Guillermo Mota is actually sort of good (he’s been really hurt by the home run this year but his K/9 and BB/9 are quite nice). And I’d rather pay $56.5M for a sort of good pitcher instead of $56M for a really terrible pitcher. When Zito’s out there I just kind of assume we lost the game, but Mota gives me a strand of hope.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
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Mota
is probably the best mop-up guy in baseball, which I say without research or reservation.
If, if, if Zito could pitch in blowouts, he’d have utility. But Mota is capable of pitching in reasonably close games and keeping them reasonably close, and I don’t see Zito doing that.
Also, Zito can’t ever come in with men on base, really.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
That's the thing
As much as Mota might be the worst guy in the pen, I doubt anyone here would rather see Zito coming out of it than Mota.
Agreed.
I’d much rather see Mota over Zito in the 14th inning of a game (or in a situation like, say, 2010 NLCS Game 6). If Zito’s coming in, we’ve probably lost that game. If Mota’s coming in, we have a little longer – at least an inning or 2. And in this situation, the other team’s mop up guy is probably in too.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Aug 2, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Peripherals suggest he’s the same pitcher now that he was in 2008, and he recovered from that to be useful for a couple of years. Maybe he can do that again.
he needs to get back to 85-86 mph
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
If something is really wrong with his foot
Which is a Giant leap of faith, then that may cause a reduction in velocity. Even a not completely healed sprain of the right foot would cause a reduction. That’s the foot that lands and in order to keep his velocity at the blinding speed of 87 for a fastball, he’ll need that foot to land strong and not roll over.
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by World Series or Bust on Aug 2, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
from watching him brush his teeth shirtless on the franchise it seems like he could add some muscle. Heroin chic is cool for rockstars and all but I don’t think it’s as good for pitchers
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MAYbe.
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by troymccluresf on Aug 2, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember when I decided to follow this porn Tumblr
And one day ran into this with the caption “I don’t know anything about baseball, but it’s the postseason and I like this pitcher Tim Lincecum”
I examined my life and my choices after that.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
This is where I am. Zito sports a 4.50 xFIP, actually a tick below his career. 4.71. The increased walks and extra home runs aren’t a good thing, and I think they could be related to his velocity drop, but I’m not done with Zito. We’re counting on a lot of things if we release Zito right now. That Vogelsong is real, that no one gets hurt or Surkamp can jump right in. I think getting rid of Zito is a bad move. I do prefer Sanchez in the rotation because he’s a better pitcher.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m not sure we’re looking at the same peripherals. His 2008 peripherals were marked by a total loss of control and a career high BABIP. His walk numbers are back down, but his K’s are worse than ever and his BABIP is a good 20 points lower than it should be. I’m not really sure how to deal with the insane extra base hit numbers.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t decide if he’s giving up so many home runs on his fly balls because his fast ball is down in speed or not. If that regressed toward his mean, I think he’d look a lot prettier. He should also walk fewer people. But I still don’t think he’s that much worse than he’s ever been, just maybe with an extra helping of bad luck.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It's as simple as this to me
In either the rare blowout or long extra inning game, there’s no time where I’d ever rather see Zito in the game than Mota.
BTW, was there an injury update on Casilla?
That is cray-z.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Aug 2, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course, the starter who creates more garbage time than anyone else: Zito
if we DFA Zito, then we really wouldn’t need Mota quite so often, either.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 2, 2011 2:07 PM PDT reply actions
Similarly
If we relegate Zito to the bullpen, then we really wouldn’t need Zito quite so often, either.
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I’m rewatching the first three episodes of this season of Breaking Bad, because I have nothing else to do. What do y’all think of the new season so far?
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by free f.p. #14 on Aug 2, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve yet to find an episode of Breaking Bad I didn’t like. This season is definitely different than year’s past though. They’re moving slow this season, but they’re building up to something fantastic, I’m sure.
That is cray-z.
they always move slow in episodes 2-5. It starts with a bang, simmers slowly and then goes off in the later episodes. I’m totally psyched for the developments so far.
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Last Sunday, Zito fouled a ball off the same right foot he sprained in April which kept him out of action for over two months. Perhaps that accounts for some of his issues with hanging curves and a decline in velocity. Of course, with Friday’s return of Jonathan Sanchez, the Giants don’t need Zito in the rotation.
http://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/sports-riff/dont-give-barry-zito-yet/
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 2:10 PM PDT reply actions
they ruined the franchise with the 3rd one
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does he do baseball commentary? Or sports talk? Better than some of what we got
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by TheLetter2 on Aug 2, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'll be glad to see Sanchez back
I’ve acknowledged I have an irrational attachment to him because I was there for his no-hitter.
But still, when he flashes brilliance, it’s fun to watch. And even when he’s bad, he’s never Zito-bad.
so you are taking a fuck?
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by younghutch on Aug 2, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Grants original post is on the money$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Put Zito in the bullpen. I also agree with that “Convenient” foot sprain…..Can see it recurring at other “happily coincidence?” roster filled times in the future…..
75
Number Zito Wears
Number of Millions he was overpaid
Number of painful starts in a 2-4 year period by Zito
Time to repeat in '11!
0
Number of World Series the San Francisco Giants have won without Barry Zito being a waste of a 40-man roster spot.
I’m just saying, you guys should keep him around. You know, for science.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Also I got an "A" in high school chemistry.
So you can trust me on this one.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He's Armando Benitez
But better looking. And richer. And we won’t get Randy Messenger for him.
I've got 99 problems and the Boch is one
by milesntrane on Aug 2, 2011 2:27 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Got to give that. It’s got to be a weird situation for him as well as the team/FO. He’s been a good employee/teammate throughout (at least outwardly).
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But I bet we could Randy Messenger for Zito now…
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Best case scenario
Zito retires.
Now we know it’s hard for him (or anyone) to just walk away from that pile of cash. I think his only incentive is that continuing to pitch is just too humiliating.
We know that being left off the postseason roster isn’t humiliating enough.
We know that being a #5 isn’t humiliating enough.
We know that being forced out of the top 5 with a phantom injury isn’t humiliating enough.
Getting shelled as a garbage man is probably more humiliating than being cut because you still have to go out there to hometown jeers.
Therefore, garbage man is the best strategy.
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- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Agreed
I think that Boras’ rep for getting the biggest contracts for clients has somehow turned into a charge about his personal greed, which I have never seen substantiated.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
His job is to get large contracts. He does that job well. I’m sure he likes making money from it. I can’t really blame him for any of that.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
The market is the market…he gets what teams are willing to pay — that’s not a “fault” of Boras’.
But I have a problem with him being a liar. When he talks like he knows the Giants’ financial situation and tells media types that “they have the money” it bothers me. He does that to paint the team in a corner and turn the fans against the team’s FO to add pressure to sign. It’s bad business IMO.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
No one should boo Zito. I disapprove most heartily!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
As do I.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Aug 2, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouln't boo...
but i definitely think fans have the the right to boo. Not just at Zito, but at any player.
by IAin'tHavingIt on Aug 2, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Many "rights" are more honored in the breach than the observance.
No player giving his best clean effort should ever be booed. Lazy players, or viciously aggressive or cheating ones, that’s another story.
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For all the Tejada and Huff hate around here
How much happier would you all be with say Uribe and Dunn?
Time to repeat in '11!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably happier to some extent
Considering Uribe would be playing SS, I’d pretty much be indifferent. With Dunn at 1B, seeing as how he wasn’t a 2010 hero, they might be more likely to play Belt.
That is cray-z.
Lets just say Huff\Tejada are 2 and 1 years, half of Dunn's contract
And will only over after 2012. Dunn will be Chicago’s Zito, especially if he continues like this. Of course he could go all Uggla on them and rip off a hot streak this year and take away all the jitters.
Huff, please go all Uggla on us, soon!
Time to repeat in '11!
It's a valid point that
while we seemingly overpaid on annual value with Huff and Tejada (at least IMO and I know many would be happy to argue the point) Sabean really scored on length of contract. They will accumulate 3 years of service time as Giants rather than the 7 that were required to sign Uribe and Dunn.
But I think the real point here is, when you don’t see a great solution out there, the right fit, wait. Don’t take chances on stop gap guys who are going to cost you 10-20X what a replacement level player would. I know it’s hindsight but Huff and Tejada have combined for negative fWAR this year. I wonder how things would have worked out had he decided to go with replacements from the system and bided his time for the right acquisition. He ended up using those players anyway, and in my scenario Belt would have been given a chance.
I’ll admit I didn’t complain much about the Huff deal. I did think it was an overpay, but I a big piece of me wanted to see what Belt would have done before making a two year commitment to anyone.
Looking back at Huff’s numbers, you could have made a pretty good case for this regressed season or something like it. I wasn’t that wise or balls-y back in January but I would be next time. Basically if both are gambles, how much do you want to gamble with? 10 million (and a 2 year commitment) or essentially nothing? In the future, if it was me, I’d err on the side of caution and go with Belt. I know we were all still drunk from the Champaign Timmy was spraying on the cover of SI, but I’d do my best to see through that in the future because, this business with Huff, it’s a total debacle.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Irrelevant.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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BOOM!! LAWYER'D!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
LAWYER UP!
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Send lawyers, guns and money
The shit has hit the fan
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand Grants argument for squeezing every last drop of water out of that rock but I really think it speaks volumes about where the organization is at with him. They could have easily done what Grant is suggesting but they didn’t.
I'm a failure. I can't even fake the death of a stripper.
-GOB Bluth
It is worth $.5 million of the Giants money not to have him as a distraction. I am thinking he will never take the mound again as a Giant if all goes well with Sanchez and the rest of the rotation.
I just wish I had a dollar for every time the Giants had to handle questions about the contract, performance, status of Zito…I would think the Giants would like to be done with it.
Who exactly is asking the other players about Zito’s contract?
And, by the way, here’s what they say every time if they’re asked about his performance: “Yeah, he’s had a rough stretch, but the kind of pitcher he is, with his track record, we all know he’ll be fine.”
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I have 10 times the distractions at my job and get paid 20 times less then they do
They can be big boys and deal with Zito in an efficient way while answering questions from the media. They charge enough in ticket prices to be able to handle this “distraction”
it's a distraction on the franchise.
while i am sure others will disagree, i don’t really want to see him in spandex with his shirt off doing yoga poses on a balcony overlooking the hollywood hills.
If a Zito stretches in the woods
But there’s not a camera crew there to broadcast it, did it ever really happen?
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
I think I’m going to chew more gum today than any day in my life. except for days when I bought Fruit Stripe gum
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Your mom's a girl
Jaw still hurts?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
the gum appears to be helping, actually. I can actually close my jaw all the way now!
Progress!
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Your mom's a girl
Excellent!
At some point, you should probably see a doctor. You know, assuming you’re not a real doctor yourself.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
If it still felt like it did this morning, I’d be there right now.
the fact that the gum chewing is working really tells me that the ear pressure was the correct dx. I’m actually getting the occasional pressure ‘pop’. Heaven. Like when you are hitting your head against bricks and then stop.
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Your mom's a girl
I think you’re right. I just know I’m reluctant to go see a doctor until I should have days ago, so I encourage people to go. Also, your handle is Dr. Hopefully it’ll correct itself all the way soon.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Crasnick on the Giants offensive offense.
Beltran on Panda:
bq. “I would love him to focus on hitting the ball a little more to [the opposite] field,” Beltran said. “When you have pop like he does, you can get caught up in trying to pull a lot of balls. If he stays in the middle of the field, he’s going to do a lot of damage.”
It's a good point
This is not a signature.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Aug 2, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoops, clicked post too early
I think not hitting opposite field enough is one of the things that contributed to Panda’s down year in 2010. He hit a bunch of HRs in 2009, and when pitchers figured him out, he wasn’t doing it as well in 2010, so he tried to pull it more to make up for it because the expectation was for him to hit HRs.
This is not a signature.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Aug 2, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
“Does he really fit the Giants’ style as a rebellious, grinding type of team?” the NL executive said. “Maybe it’s not a great fit personality-wise. But when you’re in go-for-it mode, you have to take care of the present and try to win. He’s still a great player.”
I serious seriously dislike the chemistry talk. The reason why the Giants lost the 2002 WS was cuz Kent and Bonds couldn’t get along.
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And because Dusty Baker gave Ortiz the game ball
Just saying.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Aug 2, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
NO
CHEMISTRY ISSUES!
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Seems to me it’s CHEMSTRY.
-Neil Pert
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 2, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
PEART
says the hardcore Rush fanatic who cringes at misspellings/mispronunciations of her heroes’ names. (Aren’t you glad Alex Lifeson doesn’t use his birth name?)
Sorry. I’ll go say my Hail Geddys now.
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
Plus, he’s a little droopy at this point.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s not asking whether he’s good or bad for team chemistry; it’s asking how he matches up with the style to which the Giants have become accustomed. Probably not the most useful question, but not especially flawed, either.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I’ve been in and out of meetings all day; I intend to babble at a steady pace so I don’t forget to breathe.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
2012 AS Game is in Kansas City?
"For science. You monster."
Would be a great trip as the Negro League Baseball Museum is in K.C. as well.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Is this really a phantom injury?
Didn’t Zito speak to the media about it and he said he fouled one off the ligament? Did Bochy really tell him to lie and make that up?
there have been an awful lot of very well timed injuries. right when they need to make a roster move due to someone not performing…
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Your mom's a girl
I could understand that if they team just releases an official report. But the words were from Zito himself?
by The Franchise on Aug 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants have to pay Zito
they don’t have to play him.
Under those conditions, easy to see why Zito would agree.
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Your mom's a girl
Sanchez was out with a walk
And Zito is out with an 84 MPH fastball
This is not a signature.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Aug 2, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly it could be that otherwise Zito would pitch through it (as many players would), but the Giants have the luxury of letting him heal.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, couldn’t the Giants get in trouble for this shit? I mean really? Although the only one I don’t buy is this one. I think the Sanchez one was legitimate, in the case of dead arm.
That is cray-z.
yes
among other things, the MLBPA might file a greivance.
I’m sure that just about every player has some real little injury that can be just slightly exaggerated if need be.
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Your mom's a girl
Job offer: accepted.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Congrats!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you get Boras to represent you?
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Arn "Soulja Boy" Tellem
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I like the wrist saucer
makes it easier to have a hot cup of tea on the go
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Your mom's a girl
by DrStankus on Aug 2, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He probably drinks anitfreeze and moonshine
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Whoo Hoo!
Is that the first offer or did you get the second one.
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
First offer
They couldn’t give me any guarantees with the second one and after talking to the principal from the first one, I’m really excited about it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
what grade?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
mostly 6th
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It’ll be just like hanging around here.
Congratulations and good luck!
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
"It'll be just like hanging around here"?
Stop insulting the intelligence and maturity of 6th graders.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Teaching English, right?
Middle school is probably a tough gig, I imagine, but I think that’s around the age when a good teacher can make a big difference in a lot of important ways. I know my middle school English teachers did a lot to inspire me and shape my interests. I bet you’ll do great. Good luck!
Yep, English. I’m excited. For awhile, I was convinced that I only wanted to teach high school, but the idea of teaching middle school really appeals to me now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That’s probably early for The Yellow Wallpaper.
What kinds of things do sixth graders read in class?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
we read Maniac Magee when I taught 6th graders in summer school last year
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Mania Magee is an amazing book.
Also, Onion John.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Whoa! Great book!
Are they now too old for The Giver? I can’t remember if that was 5th or 6th grade now… of course, that book is probably banned.
Oh, I remember my class did The Giver in sixth grade.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Who gets to decide what books to teach? Because I once ran into a college-age girl who had never read Twain or Alcott.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
As far as I know, Huck Finn is still standard in, like, 10th grade.
In California, anyway.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I did not read Huck Finn in 10th grade. :( (and that was 09-10 for me)
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
It’s for the best. It would have turned you into a foul-mouthed racist.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
results in more white people.
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Caught this on Fresh Air the other day
About Latin America though
http://www.npr.org/2011/07/27/138601410/what-it-means-to-be-black-in-latin-america
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Unless there’s some non-Little Women Alcott book that we were assigned, I never read anything by either of them in school
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I’ve read all of Alcott’s stuff, especially now [yay www.freekindlebooks.org ] we never read any of it in school though.
I don’t remember required reading like that until 7th grade though.
I would guess the teachers have a list of approved books to choose from, though primary educations has gotten much stranger and scarier since my day.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure yet how much control I'll have over curriculum
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
/assigns “Moneyball”
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
/Harry Potter
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop cribbing from the seventh grade reading list!
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember Fail Safe and A Tree Grows in Brooklyn as a 6th-grader (Note: I’m old).
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
My sister-in-law specializes in middle school teacher training up at Portland State University. Has always loved middle school. She taught middle school for many years before going back for her PhD and getting tenure at PSU. I think there’s some middle school teacher association she’s deeply involved in. Let me know if you need resources.
Awesome! That would be cool.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Would you say sixth grade is too early for Jane Austen? I was assigned Pride and Prejudice in the sixth grade, and I. did. not. understand. a. word. But then I didn’t really learn to read with actual educated comprehension until graduate school.
I know a lot of people who are put off by the challenges of teaching middle school. If it wasn’t easy being a being a middle school student, it certainly can’t be easy teaching a room full of ’em.
But it’s also an interesting time, when kids are really starting to develop their own unique personalities, interests, and viewpoints. Teachers who can encourage those things through their subject can really do a lot for kids during a difficult time of life.
So:
Do you think that there is a dative case in English? Is the instrumental case dead?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Yes.
Like many features in English, there is a old way of doing it—the "it’ in this case being marking the dative—and a new way, and the old way is positional while the new uses auxiliaries. In—
I gave her some flowers.
I gave some flowers to her.
—the pronoun “her” is in the dative in both instances. In the first, its position marks it out; in the second, the modal “to” marks it out.
It is a common mistake to think that the dative uniquely equates to the so-called “indirect object”. Indirect objects are always datives, and do constitute the preponderance of its appearances; but in—
He surrendered to me.
—the “me” is dative but is not an indirect object. (Some grammarians, who despise cases in general and the dative in particular, like to analyze that as the object of a preposition, ignoring the modal particle status of “to” there; it is no more a preposition that the “to” that marks the full infinitive or the “of” that can be used to mark the genitive case, as in “a swarm of bees”.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
"Like" ==> "As with"
(That’s the kind of disaster that happens when one switches horses in mid-sentence, so to speak; it was first going to open “Like many features in English, the dative case &c &c”)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
So would you say, then, that “me” in the above sentence is a dative of advantage? Or, perhaps, more specifically, a dative of reference?
Advantage.
The estimable George O. Curme, in his masterly English Grammar, defines the dative thus:
We employ this case to indicate that an action or feeling is directed toward a person or thing to his or its advantage or disadvantage.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
The only reason I ask is because I know Latin and I was curious as to how the dative would translate, so to speak from Latin to English. In this example, should I encounter “dedidit mihi” on a test, I would more than likely say that “mihi” is a dative of reference rather than advantage for precisely the definition you give above. Advantage may give me partial credit, but it is only the broadest way of describing the cases function.
More explicitly, if I held up an apple and asked what it is, I would be frustrated with the answer “a fruit.” I want to know that it is specifically an apple. As all datives are either an advantage or disadvantage, I want to know more specifically what type of dative and what function the word encapsulates. In Latin, you can get more specific, such as with the dative of reference. Is that even viable in an analysis of English? In a close reading of English? (I’m a Classics / English Lit. double major, and am thus acutely interested in the crossovers in the two field, which is why I ask).
It is . . .
. . . a common but mistaken belief that English grammar is a highly Latinate form artificially forced onto it by schoolmasters in the 17th and 18th centuries. Obviously, all European languages have the broad similarities that their common heritage, the prototype so-called “Indo-European” tongue, grants, but English grammar has its own lively tradition going back to Old English, and it is not the same as Latin.
Those who talk about such stupidities as a “common case” are part of the modern anti-grammar (indeed, overall anti-intellectual) school. They conflate—deliberately, I think, in most cases—inflection with case, and that, at least, may be derived from Latin grammar (of which I know virtually nothing). That the inflected dative forms are now all identical in form with the accusative forms scarcely means that the dative no longer exists; that’s like saying that no one not in uniform can be a police officer.
Anyway, the short answer is that in English the dative is as Curme described it. I very much recommend Curme’s book, which is available used in paperback (Barnes & Noble’s old “College Outline Series” edition) for less than most bookstores charge for mailing it. (The full edition, in two large expensive hardbound volumes, adds little save vastly more particular examples to demonstrate the points being made.) It is in my opinion the runaway winner for English-language grammar guides.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I think you are rather correct in your criticisms here. Rather than attribute English grammar to her Latinate roots (which is, as you point out, quite slim in comparison to the amount of Latinate vocabulary English has accrued), I was more asking whether or not a more nuanced manner of examining the dative is available in English as it is in Latin, or not. Perhaps this is a manner of analysis that I am simply deriving myself, and not one found in serious scholarship. Perhaps not. You were simply throwing around some awesome book titles with ease, and as such, I thought you might be the type of person who could answer my question. Such a question, however, may have no viable answer and I surely don’t begrudge a proverbial slap on the wrist—all for the sake of intellectual curiosity, of course.
No slap intended.
I see on review that what I said in a general sense could have been taken with personal application—it was not so meant. It is a long-standing sore point with me from the alt.english.usage usenet forum (almost entirely descriptivist), in which I have participated for many a year.
A further quotation from the full version of Curme may assist:
We usually call this case the dative of advantage or disadvantage, as in “He offered me his support,” but we often call it the dative of reference where the related idea of personal reference is prominent: “He offered me his support, but he didn’t offer it to my brother.” “It doesn’t seem fair to me.” [more examples elided] As in the last [example], the dative of reference is often used with intransitives.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Excellent
/bird in hand
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
Get that bird out of your hand! It’s probably filthy!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
TAINTED GROUND TURKEY!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
That would be a turkey hot dog.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Awesome!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
got to be better than 7th at least
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
Matt Damon is on your side
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Goofus!
I saw you from afar at the park yesterday, but you were too far away to get your attention.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I was standing near the Public House and I saw you and the Mrs. walking towards the Mays gate.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He's Armando Benitez
But better looking. And richer. And we won’t get Randy Messenger for him.
I've got 99 problems and the Boch is one
by milesntrane on Aug 2, 2011 2:52 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
A messenger named Randy just told me Barry Zito's better looking than Armando Galarraga
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Pull my finger!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t mind the smell, that is just Titan.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
"I'd like a cup of coffee in my favorite mug, please!"
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Good News re Gary Carter's brain cancer
per daughter – he’s 80% better
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
They're not good they're Great! Great News
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
This pleases me.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
"Tumors are less angry"
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
Good for him!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
A few days ago I was all for putting Zito on waivers and seeing if you could trade him to another team for prospects, with the Giants paying the rest of his contract. But all this talk about how pitching-thin the Giants are in AAA has me worried. The whole “fatigue factor” argument (from the starters pitching the extra innings in the 2010 postseason, from the high pitch counts the starters are running up, from the stress of pitching in all these one-run games, etc.) is starting to sound stronger and stronger.
Then again, pretty much everything about this team has me worried right now.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
At least we aren't the Dodgers.
Something to cheer you up.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Mike Murphy is still good at his job.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
What good is an insurance policy
and all it does it guaranteed to suck?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
On the bright side,
the Giants don’t have to worry too much about having to pay Zito a $50,000 incentive for winning a 5th Cy Young award.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
CalTrain question
Is there a baby bullet after the game that skips zone 1 and 2 stops? Or are all trains making all stops after the game?
Planning on taking CalTrain from Mountain View but the ride back will be forever if there are no baby bullets.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I am going to construct a huge slingshot and wheel it out to the yard
People will pay me 5 dollars and I will load them into the pocket and launch them in the direction of their residence.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, left-most track (# 1?)
San Carlos Express leaves 15 – 20 minutes after the end of the game. Skips every stop before San Carlos, hits every stop after that (including San Carlos)
Correct answer!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn’t sure what zone it skips! If it skips zone 3 I’m fucked.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
HAWT ZONE SKIPPING ACTION
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Spoken like someone who’s never passed out on the final train out of SF (a.k.a. “The Vomit Comet”) and then had to take the 22 bus all the up El Camino Real to get to Mountain View in the middle of the night.
Of course now I can walk to the ballpark, and my life is much less exciting.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
At least Rowand isn't starting
SFGiants San Francisco Giants
#SFGiants lineup: Ross cf, Keppinger 2b, Beltran rf, Sandoval 3b, Huff 1b, Schierholtz lf, Cabrera ss, Stewart c Lincecum p
so the same lineup that was useless last night
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Huff moved up!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Oh wait you're right.
I forgot Beltran is on this team. I saw Huff after Sandoval and assumed he was cleanup
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well if they’re not gonna play Belt or Torres, this is basically the best they have.
That is cray-z.
if you are going to cut off both my legs
then hopping around on stumps is the best I have
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Your mom's a girl
But at least you’d be able to get one of those disable placards for your car, which allows you to legally park outside the lines of disabled spaces.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Mr. Bochy ? Is That You ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Um, they scored two runs
I don’t know what more you could expect from any Giants lineup this year.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
one of the saddest things on the post game
was Kruk saying that he felt like last night’s game showed they were ready to start performing offensively.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That’s an optimistic way of looking at the LOB total.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I think it was more about how many outfield lineouts there were. And there were a TON.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
There really were. Hopefully the Giants get the 40-hop singles tonight and the Diamondbacks get the hard lineouts. They did have at least one last night from Goldschmidt though.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m too weary to put together a sardonic comment here.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
how has this changed?
Kruk has always said dumb stuff. He’s just so likeable that you can look past it.
"I never stop being amazed by how much people who hate stats because they’re "flawed" quote so much more obviously flawed stats. " -Joe Posnanski
by RichHerreraHomer on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It's becoming worse and worse
Maybe it’s because I’m growing older, but Krukow’s act is kind of tiring with me.
I still love him
But sometimes he drives me insane.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I don’t think it will ever be as bad as it was during that fallow post-Bonds period. Those were baaaaaad years for Krukow.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
So much delusion
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Found myself saying that just last night.
I suppose it’s more irritating when he trys to put a Band-Aid on a leprosy sore.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Kruk was drunk wasn’t he ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
JUST SEND BELT TO AAA!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Belt is not playing
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This makes me so sad.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck melancholy. Pure sadness.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing that makes me sad isn’t specifically that I think the team is dicking around with him. I don’t know what’s going it. It could be something perfectly serious.
What makes me sad is that, as a guy still dealing with arb crap, this is probably costing him in the millions of dollars going forward. And if there’s a baseball player who deserves his damned payday, it’s Andres.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to see him get paid.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
HE’S MAKING 2.2 MILLION THIS YEAR AND ONLY HAS PLAYED 74 GAMES!
- stupid internet commentator somewhere.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
$2.2 million doesn’t suck, at least. For some reason I thought he was making less than that.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly, I did too! I think the Brass maybe bounced him a little World Series bonus.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought of that yesterday
wondering what the heck they’ll propose in his arb hearing for salary. Maybe the biggest discrepancy in numbers in any of the hearings.
Assuming, of course…. there is one.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
According to this site called McCovey Chronicles
Andres asked for $2.6 million and the Giants offered $1.8 million. They actually avoided arbitration and split the baby.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
and now Andres can’t sleep for fear of nightmares about the poor baby.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
that's nice
I mean next year. You’re the worst new poster here in forever.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I try. I think the numbers will be similar. You expect a bump just cuz it’s another arb year but Torres has been not good at all.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
right
hence my initial question.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I miss Andres. And I don’t even know Belt well enough to miss him.
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I can offer you inside advice on which is the favorite in that race.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I've decided that those 2 choices are not mutually exclusive.
However, I thing Bag of Hair has a commanding lead down the stretch. Otherwise, we would have heard something more than “sleep disorder”.
Wow
people are pretty down…Belt over Huff is obvious but what has changed since Philly?
I am actually a little more upbeat about the offense. Beltran showed signs of being himself again, Panda is Panda, Huff has some inkling of being better, and Ross homered yesterday. It’s not much but it’s certainly any worse than before.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I like your last sentence there.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
thanks
I screwed up all by myself.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
yeah
but he would have ticked off like 50 people in the interim.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Other outfield I want to see:
at least once in a while. Belt in left, Beltran in center, Nate in right. Huff on first. or swap Nate and Beltran
I guess Belt would lead off.
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
#FREE BELT
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"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
How long did this take?
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Aug 2, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Long
Speak 5 Languages… the others was just a quick message to Coworkers and old friends on skype…. and the Japanese from the wife
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Half of them are just Cinturon Libre or something very similar.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I like this lineup better.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I should've been more specific when asking my German friend.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
/Santana’d
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re gonna put it in Japanese, you might think about doing more than just representing it in Katakana lol
Dewgongongong
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Aug 2, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL STOCKS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 3:23 PM PDT reply actions
Ouch
Dow down 250 points. Thats not good.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Aug 2, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
My 401(k)!!!
No really, my 401(k). Rally! Well, take the night off but rally tomorrow!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I was able to mitigate this a little by getting into gold a little while ago. But yeah, ouch.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I bought some of that in 2003. It has performed.
Although, it makes me a sad. I know that most of the reason for it to go up have to do with eroding value of my other assets, denominated in dollars as they are.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
and
if the economy goes, that rocket ride is not going any further.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
more of the same for dbacks too
Bloomquist, SS
2 – Kelly Johnson, 2B
10 – Justin Upton, RF
24 – Chris Young, CF
26 – Miguel Montero, C
14 – Ryan Roberts, 3B
44 – Paul Goldschmidt, 1B
8 – Gerardo Parra, LF
41 – Daniel Hudson, RHP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I had a dentist named Paul Goldschmidt once
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
My mother had a dentist named Paul Goldschmidt once…
ONCE!!!
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 2, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
My mother hung me on a hook once….
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
@productiveouts | Productive Outs
what the fuck is Bochy doing benching Yungo
motherfucker has the 2nd highest WAR on the team. yes, he’s struggling, but so is every other motherfucker on this team not named Beltran, maybe. Third straight game Torres is sitting vs. a RHP.
What the fuck, motherfucker.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
@productiveouts | Productive Outs
by delorean on Aug 2, 2011 3:26 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
+1
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m hoping to circle back around to anger in the grief cycle any day now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCK YEAH
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Missing all these starts against RHP makes me think there MUST be something wrong with Torres
It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s having medication troubles
The thong is, it happened.
i'm with you, Craig
This is unprecedented. Yes, he’s been bad of late, but so has Cody, and he got a start yesterday (and made the most of it). Bochy is typically a “play a guy to get him going” kind of manager, so this is an aberration. Something’s gotta be wrong with Andres.
Billy Hayes: His job is better than yours.
@productiveouts | Productive Outs
Tune into Showtime tomorrow at 8PM for an exclusive report!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
he was in the on-deck circle last night
while Rowand batted.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Panda says hello. But yes, I agree.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Aug 2, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Did I hear some announcer say torres is having trouble sleeping? Of course he takes speed type meds for ADD. In hindsight, Torres should probly take a month every winter and re calibrate his meds.
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
That is just ridiculous and uninformed.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I believe Torres admitted having an issue with insomnia right around the All-Star Break. I’m not sure it was actually confirmed that it was related to his dosage, though there has been plenty of speculation.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You know, some people go their whole lives struggling with sleep disorders
The fact that he takes ADD meds could really affect it
The thong is, it happened.
Yeah it could, and I don’t trust the medical staff on the Giants as far as I can throw them; hence the exasperation that they shoulda done something for him already. All that money, they should be able to bring in the best specialists to help their players out. I still think Panda needs a good endocrinologist. Every year there’s a dude that seems to need screening by a whiz bang opthamologist.
Considering what players are worth
It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve haven’t spared no expense and sent him to all kinds of specialists
The thong is, it happened.
he didn't need those ribs anyway
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
So after Torres’ skid hit 3-for-31, Bruce Bochy met with him and suggested a day off might be a good thing. Torres said he wouldn’t mind having more than one. He confided with Bochy that he had developed a sleep disorder, too.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Great
first step towards hopefully getting him on track. Athletes in general hate admitting when they can’t do something or can’t perform. I’m glad he finally started talking.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
Also
I’m glad to see that Bochy and Torres have that rapport. Shows me that the two have trust in each other.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Yes.
I think his struggles may have more to do with insomnia than ADHD.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
True
I just hope some regular sleep and moving down in the order will take some pressure off. He’s a man who has bee through a lot AND he is an emotional guy. Ease up and be the Torres we all love
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
This is a really important point
I also got that impression watching “The Franchise” scene where Cody came back. Bochy asked him if he was ready or needed more time and Cody responded that he was ready in a way that really made me believe he would have told Bochy if he needed more time.
This trust Bochy seems to have with his players is pretty remakrable and might explain inexplicable cases where we freak out about “Why isn’t XXXXXX in there?”
The thong is, it happened.
I actually do think there’s credence to the idea that Bochy makes up for his bizarro game choices by just plain handling the people on the team so damn well. He’s clearly a social magician. There’s no way to determine what that translates to in terms of wins, but it seems clear to me that it at least comes close to covering the deficiencies we perceive three hours a day, and secretly I don’t reject the idea that it more than covers it.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Bruce Bochy is a really, super, over the top nice person. I have a ton of fan-related examples of this, which I have personally witnessed. He’s also really smart and really funny. I would bet that the players both love and respect him. Hopefully, he and Andres have some sort of understanding.
All that being said, I’m still worried about Andres.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 2, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
There will be those that say this is all hogwash, of course
I wonder if those people have ever experienced how much a a great boss or bad boss can affect one’s performance.
The thong is, it happened.
People have no feelings! This is all imaginary and therefore does not affect anything!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
Years of training and millions of dollars have transformed them into number-generating automatons!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
If it can’t be measured in numbers, it doesn’t exist!
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 2, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, vowels cost money. You stole that.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
$250!
Gotta keep Vanna dressing sharp!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Polka dots are not free!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm experiencing some of that right now...
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Your mom's a girl
Nice.
Bochy originally hired Jeff Fassero to make the prank calls, but they didn’t work because Torres didn’t understand what was meant by “Is your ice box running?”
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If Zito was moved to the bullpen as a mop-up man type, would he be used in the same way as others in that role? Would Bochy or others be more tempted to use him in a wider variety of situations out of some kind of consideration for Zito? If certain struggling veteran hitters who have been mostly relegated to the bench still occasionally “earn” starts with certain good efforts, would we see the same thing with Zito in the ’pen? Or would he be used in almost exactly the same role as Mota or other low-rent relievers?
I dunno
I think the basic problem is coming in with guys already on base. He always starts innings with no one on.
In addition to all the “long warmup routine”, “didn’t pitch much in minors”, and all that other stuff about why he is not a good fit for mop-up.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I want me some
Brett Pill!!!
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
RIBBIES!
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
.922 ops!
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Gettin' better every year
and he’s peaking out!!
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Raising
Brett Pill.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
there's a fanpost you'd like then
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Totally agree with you Grant on Zito
I was making the same case to my friend today
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
TRADE ZITO
to a team that has another bad contract.
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by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
There isnt another contract even close to as bad
MAYBE Soriano.
Dunn’s might be worse than Zitos
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Dunn for Zito
Done.
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by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
a) I don’t think the White Sox would do it
b) The money is for the same amount but theres an extra year of Dunn. I’d rather just be done with it.
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Well then Zeets for
Vernon Wells.
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by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Wells is actually owed a little more than Zito IIRC. Of course he’s also a little better player, so….
Carlos Lee?
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by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Zito pitching half his games at Minute Maid Park.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
As if Wade would take him anyways. C’mon Wade geez this is a good deal Wade Aww. Stan Grossman said this was a good deal Wade!!
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by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
In the bullpen or at all?
The argument against Zito in the bullpen during the playoffs last year was that he hadn’t pitched in the playoffs before.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
Argument has always been Zito has a long pre-game ritual and takes a while to get warm
by The Franchise on Aug 2, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep thinking your username is my asian
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For once, jctgamer, not yours.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Eurasian
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Your mom's a girl
NO U
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NO
ME CAUC-ASIAN
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Your mom's a girl
well then
ME COCK-ASIAN
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my confusion has been resolved
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Aug 2, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
NONE of our other starting pitchers had pitched in the playoffs prior to last season… what kinda craptacular logic is that?
Bullpen i'm assuming
He started a playoff game with the A’s right?
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by hautecouture on Aug 2, 2011 3:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
With Zito
will be a minor issue for the rest of the year. His injury or “injury” I believe will last until we have no roster crunch. At that point for a month he will probably be a long reliever/spot starter in case of illness or implosion.
Next year? That’s more of the issue. I await the “best shape of his life” feel good articles about Zito to come out and him to again be in the starting rotation, with a smaller leash as the the contract dwindles. The only thing I could see happening is trading him for Alfonso Soriano or a lock of Tom Brady’s hair.
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I’d be okay with a trade for all of Tom Brady’s hair just so he has to cut it.
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Aug 2, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Just DFA Him
If he dies, he dies.
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Not good at the Game of Thrones
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Side note
I really hope the new MLB CBA takes care of guaranteed contracts like this. Maybe not on the level of the NFL, but at least some form of monetary value in the DFA otehr than league minimum.
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id rather have an anti-Sabean clause so even if he chips and signs someone for a stupid amount of years and money, we still have an out.
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Again
Mogawan.
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Forgot
the whole post-Bonds face of franchise bit by Magowan that led to Zito contract until death
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surrrrrrrrrre
I think after two (three?) collusion actions, they won’t do that.
Even if they were competent enough to try to do something.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless Sabean et al don’t understand some crucial principles about contracts, they tacitly said “We accept the possibility of [just this sort of situation] arising down the line” when they offered it.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I think
from looking at the terms the negotiation was “Dear Barry, here’s some binder paper, just write down whatever you want.”
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
ANybody else going to the game today?
I should be at Public House between 6-6:30. I’m the Asian guy with glasses.
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Heh. I’m a tubby bearded white guy who always wears a Giants cap. I’m hard to find at both beer events and baseball games. Public House is probably the single hardest place to pick me out of a crowd on this earth.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Aug 2, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Who's better looking in person than his pictures
Don’t forget to mention that!
The thong is, it happened.
I can't photoshop IRL :(
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I figure I shouldn’t bother responding to this but thought I should so you know I did not forget I am attending a game of baseball tonight.
Good ;p Looks like my train gets in at 5:44 so I’ll stop by the Giants dugout store and then wait for you at public house
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this narrows it down
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We’ll be in Lot A until the K&K show ends.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You should be easy to spot then
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
True
but that guy is a jerk.
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WAAAAAAAAHHHH. I can't pick on dumb GMs anymore
“Is it a more challenging environment? Absolutely,” Beane said. “Ten years ago teams didn’t value young players, other than as chips or assets to get the players they needed. Now, even the large market teams with great resources, everybody values their young players. You have large market teams valuing young players exactly the same as Tampa Bay, Kansas City or any small market team.”
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Zito
What about a relief role when we are up by 8 runs? is there a role for THAT guy??
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by Penitentiary Face on Aug 2, 2011 3:54 PM PDT reply actions
World Series, Game 2.
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yep
I think we found the role for Barry
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by Penitentiary Face on Aug 2, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
but with the 8 run lead
Bork would still need to keep him on a short leash. Game could get away rather quickly.
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by Penitentiary Face on Aug 2, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
With our offense?
Nope
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 2, 2011 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions
is the role “allow enough runs that Wilson can get a save”?
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or possibly a "W"
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by Penitentiary Face on Aug 2, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
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Low-point of the Dodgers season, and that’s saying a lot. RT @BillShaikin: Rubby de la Rosa to undergo Tommy John surgery, #Dodgers say.
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So both De La Rosas got Tommy John Surgery in the same season
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rough
guy is an exciting young pitcher. hope he recovers quickly, despite playing for that horrible team.
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What a tangled mangle.
Somebody please take Barry Zito off our roster!!!!!
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wait, who is he harrassing?
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that's what my first thought was
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Zito
I could give a squirt about him. I’d just like to see the Giants win a game in the near future. Seems like it’s been forever.
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These trades killed our chemistry
for the time being.
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I liked pretending it was ShatsoffSF, so I could quite Kirk.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand that hashtag.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Aug 2, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm pissed
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The McCoven need to fill it up with not-stupid shit at a rate so fast that the McCoys can’t do anything about it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I think they are bots.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
The alternative is far more terrifying.
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We are?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Zito for Rios
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Heading out
laterz!
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I think it’s funny when Grant writes something and then later in the day somebody writes a lazy fanpost about the same thing… BUT WITH A POLL, SO THAT JUSTIFIES IT.
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At some point, Barry Zito will just have to scrap
being a flyball/strikeout pitcher, due to lack of velocity and control. Adapting more of a groundball/ contact style might make him semi-useful to the Giants until his contract expires. Just a thought.
I don’t know how a pitcher just changes the way his pitches get hit, though. He’s not going to magically pick up a sinker. It’s curve/change/fastball from here to retirement, and if Zito could throw them in a way that gets better results, he’d already be doing it.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s really more like curve, “fastball,” “changeup.”
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I think his changeup is actually pretty good
If he could add a couple feet to his FB, his change would be even better
The thong is, it happened.
definitely
he makes guys look pretty bad with it. that fastball is a joke though.
Does he also throw a slider now too? I’m too lazy to actually look up any pitch/fx data.
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it happens quite a bit
when pitchers drop in velocity. Some pitchers are far too stubborn to change, of course.
Who are these pitchers, just out of curiosity?
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Not that I don’t believe pitchers regularly manage to pitch well despite getting older and slower, often by improving their control. I’ve just never heard the theory that they do it by changing the way their pitches get hit. Who was a good fly ball pitcher as a youngster who turned into a good ground ball pitcher as an oldie?
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
most sinkerballers throw a lot harder than Zito.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Most high school softball pitchers throw a lot harder than Zito.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
He should add
the eephus pitch to his repertoire.
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the GO/FO thing really isn’t working for him either, unfortunately. the main problem seems to be that he’s horrible at pitching.
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whoops, that was meant as a reply to slapsy
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The Dodgers are having a 2008 Giants season with Kershaw
Does he have a good chance of beating Halladay for the CY?
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
Kershaw is having a great year.
But Halladay is just off the charts this season
JT Snow and Robb Nen are my heroes.
But then 2010 happened.
Halladay gets my vote right now
but Kershaw is a very, very close 2nd
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i found this interesting:
Bumgarner is #2 in the NL in FIP, behind Halladay and ahead of Kershaw.
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Too many hits!!
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by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait what?
Mangers should not becom analysts, except for Showalter.
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They should stick to holder fodder for stables, and the occasional messiah!
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I think so
Considering the team he’s on he has the same amount of wins (which mean less now but still). He has more strikeouts, basically the same whip and a lower batting average against. He’s been pretty dominant so we’ll see…
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by hautecouture on Aug 2, 2011 4:25 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ok guys, teach me about baseball
What, exactly does the bullpen coach do? And how can he do it well or badly?
Sundrendy!
They are the most important thing to a pitching staff
Dave Righetti and his staff are the only reason why the Giants pitching are great.
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thats the pitching coach not the bullpen coach
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Aug 2, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
My understanding is BP coach is pretty much "Assistant Pitching Coach"
But focuses on relievers. He coaches them, observes their warmup and bullpen sessions and reports to the pitching coach on who’s throwing well, who’s ready, who’s tired etc.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
does he open the bullpen door? Also…answers the phone in the bullpen.
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He also keeps an extra ball in his pocket in case one gets away from the BP catcher
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Keeps your reliever from running out on the field during a fight in the NLCS
Duh
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Also a reminder of
late 80s/early 90s Giants.
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Do you guys think Barry Bonds will at one point make it to the Hall of Fame?
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yes, if not i will never go there again.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Aug 2, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
There is enough writers who proscribed to the “he was great before roids” theory.
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I have been saying for years
Barry Bonds has enough production for 2 Hall of Fame careers. Posnanski put the cutoff at 98. I had put it at 97, just because it’s hard to make the hall without ten years of playing time.
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….Will Bob Costas weep?
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
link?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Aug 2, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bonds enough production for 2 HOF careers.
I’ve been saying this since 2006.
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Mantle
Here’s a good read about Costas and his love of Mantle.
WARNING: VERY SCARY UP-CLOSE IMAGE OF COSTAS AT THE ABOVE LINK.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Whaddya give me for
Aubrey Huff and Walter White?
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by iloveddickdietz on Aug 2, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Kagan also probably a better hitter.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 2, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
wait a minute
Earl Warren was succeeded as Chief Justice by Warren Earl Burger?
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Kagan is a lot smarter than Costas but Costas will still he’s smarter.
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Dang it.
stupid new identity just like the old one.
Kagan is a lot smarter than Costas but Costas will still think he’s smarter.
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maybe
I notice McGwire’s vote totals have declined annually.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
McGwire was completely different than Bonds
He was only known for power.
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is he known
less for power annually?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
How not?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
"ate one point" yes
Not anytime soon. Maybe not in his lifetime.
/slaps slapsy
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The REAL reason Zeets is on the DL ......
One big, massive hangover.
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Would you guys rather take on the remainder of A-Rod’s contract for what he would probably produce for the remainder of this season and the next 6 years or ride out the pain of Zito’s contract?
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I didn't know this
ARod gets “$30m in marketing bonuses for HR milestones from 660 HR to 763HR”
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A Rod current contract
is worse than Zito deal. 7 years $173 million.
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If we were an AL Team A-Rod
But since we’re not. Zito.
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So if you had to pay 120 million more for Zito to not suck, would it be worth it?
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DH has become a bit of a wasteland
I could move A-Rod there and get at least decent value.
Zito has nothing left to offer
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If someone had told you before the season that...
1. The Giants wouldn’t have a positive run differential.
2. The Giants would trade away the #2 and #3 prospects on the Community Prospect List.
3. Aaron Rowand would hit leadoff over Andres Torres.
4. Aubrey Huff would be terrible.
5. Buster Posey and Freddy Sanchez would have season ending surgery.
6. Brian Wilson would regress considerably.
…how would you react?
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I don’t know… #3 would might surprise me.
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i'd buckle my seatbelt, button up my Lincecum jersey, put on my Giants hat, and say "Bring it" ......
cuz that’s what real fans do. through the good and bad, through thick and thin, i will always bleed orange and black.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
What happens when you run out of blood?
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Then I'll die the best way ever ......
in my Lincecum jersey and Giants hat.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
I wore my Giants hat a lot in Afghanistan and other dangerous places I've worked.
I attribute a large amount of luck to it. Also it has a force field.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
A man walks into a nightclub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgVB2xXeCvU
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
Off to the yard. Have a great TimmyDayThread.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Zito
Am I the only one that thinks Zito could be effective in the bullpen, provided he solves his long warmup time issue? If he’s only going to pitch one inning, he doesn’t have to worry about saving stamina to pitch multiple innings, which may get him the additional few MPH on his fastball that he needs to be effective.
he hasn’t seen many Zito games i believe.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
yeah .....
the LAST thing i wanna see is Zito coming out of the bullpen in the 7th inning with the Giants leading 1-0.
/ punches own face.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
Zito would never be used in that situation
Think a white left handed Mota.
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No
Tim Worrell was trusted (foolishly) to close.
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The difference between the first inning of a start and only pitching one inning is that you have to save something in your arm for the rest of the game in the first scenario. What I’m saying is that if Zito didn’t have to worry about pitching more than one inning, he might be able to touch 88-89 for that one inning.
Although the point that it doesn’t matter if he cant locate it is well taken.
I don’t think he’s throwing 82 because he’s keeping something in reserve.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
"Am I the only one..."
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Decent Pirates
you were a nice story.
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Wasn't Cody 0-20 something?
@AmyGGiants
Amy Gutierrez
Leadoff spot is not definitely Ross’, Rowand’s or Torres’. Bochy says consistent quality AB’s will determine who leads off. #sfgiants
"For science. You monster."
yay
ridin’ the hot hand!
Which I would mind less if there were only two names on that list.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I think a Ross/Torres platoon would be wonderul
/ignores the other cocksucker’s name
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I thought whomever plays center field determines leadoff. But according to this, whoever gets most pitches/PA and on base determines who plays centerfield.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Would it be so fucking crazy to throw out there
Keppinger 2b
Belt 1b
Beltran RF
Panda 3b
Ross CF
Nate LF
Cabrera SS
Whiteside C
Pitcher
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STOP WITH THE CRAZY TALK
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How does one get “consistent quality AB’s” with no “AB’s”?
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 2, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Which Andres also doesn’t have yet. Doomed.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 2, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Virtual Reality.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
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Well guess what A-Hole!
If you don’t give Torres AB’s he’s certainly not going to produce quality AB’s.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
No defensive component, and I think there’s some issues with the way it computes value. I don’t really know though.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Aug 2, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Because it sucks.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't wait until
there’s a new metric, and WAR is left standing around at the dance, lonely. NOW YOU SEE HOW VORP FELT
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
(H + RBI) / AB
I’ve also weighted this stat by using a new formula:
(H + RBI) / (AB + ABRISP – HR)
That way you still get the all-important extra boost for bringing guys home from first.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, now all you need is a catchy acronym. Calculating Runs Against Pitchers?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You also need to weight it for experience.
(H+RBI)*(AGE-30) / (AB+ABRISP-HR)
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Simple Heuristic Insight Tabulation!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
bc bpro wouldn't tell anyone how it's calculated
and then better stats that did have their methodology available came out
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
what's the difference between
VORP and oWAR?
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what?
natural 20 is awesome…second best starting hand in blackjack
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I think he should go with the knuckleball...why not.
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That would be kind of cool.
Zito should reinvent himself as a pitcher. One who only throws only very strange pitches. An Eephus and Knuckleball specialist.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Statue of Liberty pitch.
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
that might work
if Belt is somehow accidentally in the lineup and gets to throw the pitch.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He could shoot for being Livan Hernandez, who still seems to be putting together serviceable seasons.
Needs to hit bitter.
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/Zito hacking away bitterly
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It comes full circle
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I wish a reporter had the balls to ask him about the Zito debacle
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I heard "Barry"
when I turned it on, but sadly it was about Bonds’ signing.
Also, Papa is doing the interview, it won’t go anywhere.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
ooo
here it comes, maybe.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Greg Papa was talking about Barry Bonds!?!
No way! That never happens
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what did he say?
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Go on
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
What's that?
Is it like a giant radio telescope or something?
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
the question
was “what’s wrong with Zito”, and Magowan just rambled.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh man I locked my keys in the car.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
If this were a thought-bubble contest, my entry would be: “I miss biting my toenails…”
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Twins? Seriously?
@legaleagle88
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 2, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
The debate still rages over whether that was a microphone in Buster Posey’s hand, or he was just happy to see us.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
"What's the best yet most discrete way to kill Cousins?"
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
discrete, or discreet?
The position of the letters makes all the difference in the world!
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Discrete – Impaled in the Giants World Champions flag in AT&T like Vlad the Impaler.
Discreet – Poisoned with Ricin on a rainy day.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Hell, if you're going to impale him, why not just Rasputin him?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd start a collection there out on the Flags.
Cousins, Latos, Charlie Manuel etc
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
This is the cliff notes versiopn. Go to Wikipedia for all the gory details
Three days later, Rasputin’s body, poisoned, shot four times, badly beaten, and drowned, was recovered from the river. An autopsy established that the cause of death was drowning. It was found that he had indeed been poisoned, and that the poison alone should have been enough to kill him. There is a report that after his body was recovered, water was found in the lungs, supporting the idea that he was still alive before submersion into the partially frozen river
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
But impaling is so much more painful.
And you can hang them out like flags of victory when done.
Also Rasputin only survived that because he had Wilson’s beard.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I think that's who they modeled Vigo the Carpathian after in Ghostbusters II.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I, Vigo, the Scourge of Carpathia, the Sorrow of Moldavia, command you!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
I kinda dig his prophecy.
“Death is but a door, time is but a window; I’ll be back.”
I wonder if the Dodgers can adopt that as their motto for the next few years.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
All he ever wanted to do was just dance...
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Aug 2, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Could it be... Satan?
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
OT: GRE stuff
So I am going to take the GRE in a couple of months and I need to get a book. Right now I am leaning towards the Kaplin Premier:
http://www.amazon.com/Kaplan-2011-Premier-CD-ROM-Program/dp/141954991X
Anybody else know a good one? A better one? The big hitch is that I am taking the new, shiny revised test…
I used Princeton Review and did very well
But that was the old test
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Yeah, this was another one I was looking at:
http://www.amazon.com/Cracking-2012-Graduate-School-Preparation/dp/0375428186
You would suggest it?
I'm totally winning this staring contest.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
your entry does not count.
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Yeah, but unlike Buster, I'm not trying to win the contest.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
JUST LIKE THE DODGERS, AMIRITE?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Nah.
The Dodgers are trying to win.
That’s the scary part. Imagine how atrocious they’d be if they weren’t.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
but my question is ......
do they owe you money too?
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
Depends on how much hair-splitting I'm allowed to get away with.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Aug 2, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
NONE
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
welcome back JD!
assuming you were ever away.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I haven’t been posting much – I spent a week driving around some of the lesser traveled byways of Northern California and Oregon. I saw many trees and farms, visited my Oregonian relatives, and attended my niece’s wedding.
Back at work today. :(
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
"LOL DODGERS!"
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by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hello, Sailor.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
"Hey sexy, how about you, me, and my Rookie of the Year Award have a little minaj e toi rendezvous?"
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
Menage a trois?
I think there are supposed to be accent marks there, too, or diacriticals or something, but I didn’t take French.
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 2, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The rule is, if you can’t spell it, you can’t do it.
Better luck next time, GIANT stoner.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Minage Eyyyyyy! Twa
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
NIKKI MINAJJ A TWAT
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
BOOTY CALL!!
/checks spelling
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
This is why you’re my favorite.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Ménage à trois
Sheesh, girlie, all ya had to do was ask. Or use Google and cut-and-paste.
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bahahaha
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Ménage à trois
Sheesh, girlie, all ya had to do was ask.
Boy is THAT worth taking out of context.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 2, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Although concerned by Uggla's resurgence
Braves’ SP rotation is starting to unravel.
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It's okay.
It won’t be too long before they face the Giants offense and get themselves back on track.
I cooked a roast and while cutting the ties off of it I splashed beef jus all over my Timmy photoshirt! What kind of omen is this?
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
def not a good one
i vote to burn the shirt before first pitch
by projectmayhem713 on Aug 2, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
a delicious one?
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
It just means Timmy is HUNGRY!
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
Some people ride without helmets. I cook without aprons! /reckless youth
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
Wonderful!
It means Timmy is going to cut right through their lineup, splashing bodily drippings everywhere!
by mrs. owlcroft on Aug 2, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sorry
but only one of you can keep the “cal” on the first part of your handle. I can’t tell any of you apart.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
GOING THERE!
East Bay, I mean.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Aug 2, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey
I capitalize
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sure thing, calbearjd
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
don't mix me up with that jerk.
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I just think its funny that the one person I know of who went to stanFURD on this board...
…has their name set as Anonymous… ASHAMED LOL
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
whatever you say, calbearjd
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
jporny will set her weirwood tree on you
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Aug 2, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
ban worthy comment tbh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
can't wait for the AFFC season *LOL*
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Stanford Tree would've banned AND burned him by now.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
CALVIN!!!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
caltheyscored
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by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
We're all
Caldro Feliz
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Poor that neighborhood.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Meanwhile, back at the thread topic:
After all this time, I just got round to noticing that Zito’s career BABIP is .271. Rather remarkable.
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Owlcroft!
I thought we had lost you after the DFA’ing of Hall!
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well..considering there was never a calbeardj
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Oh there are some Cal Bear DJs
SOMEBODY NEVER ENJOYED THE NIGHTLIFE :P
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I work with a KALX dj!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
You lost me for a while—and will again from game start through Thursday at least—while I try to stop our local Hospital Board from committing effective suicide. In a rural community, the importance of a 24/7 Emergency Room cannot be overstated (it can’t anywhere, but in rural communities the number available is binary: either one or zero). The local yutzes fired the only two doctors they had (and the only two in the region), who promptly set up their own practice and took virtually the entire loyal patient base with them. From running a surplus of about $45,000 a month, the hospital district fell almost overnight to losing about that much, and besides is incurring massive expenses hiring in temp doctors from an agency across the state. The new master 5-Year Strategic Plan is being proposed, and it’s a nightmare. I am one of the two public-citizen members of an ad hoc review committee the Board had to create after the public outrage over their version, and have been furiously rewriting, and researching med stuff, for days on end.
Ah, but then I get to relax in the evenings with ever-soothing Giants baseball. . . .
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Wow. Good luck.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Thank you.
We’ll need it. (I say “we” because most of the community agrees with us.)
The thing is that Hospital Boards are one of those extraordinarily boring-seeming and apparently unimportant things that citizens looking for a small pond in which to be a big frog run for, and get elected to because nobody very much knows or cares what they do.
So then, when they hit problems that actually matter, they are all at sea, make bad decisions, then build on those because they’re too stubborn to admit they’re wrong. They start keeeping “Enemies Lists”, and pretty soon most of the populace they supposedly represent is on their “Enemies List”.
Painful, and very, very ugly.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Good luck!
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Break both legs!
(by theatre standards, of course.)
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
It looks like it.
The yutzes hired in a new hospital CEO whose chief qualification was having just been fired from a similar job in a nearby community. He has delusions of grandeur, and wants to turn a rural hospital district, population under 4,000, into a “regional hub for medical care”. Among other dazzling ideas he has is spending a half-million bucks on a digital-mammography capability, when the really great regional mobile DM clinic on wheels can’t come close to filling one day’s schedule even on its mere once a month visits. Oy.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Actually not.
A man who is very lazy, but is at that time of life best measured by the proportion of one’s conversation given to medical matters, and thus in need of a viable, stable medical facility nearby to support an ER. I did manage to avoid candidacy for one of the Board positions (three of five being voted on this fall).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
How was Kyoto btw?
Dewgongongong
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Aug 2, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
It was incredible. I keep meaning to post pictures. I am 42 and have travelled a fair bit, but it was my favorite of all time. The Tigers game was the perfect ending! I did not make it to Tenkaippen mainly because the concierge in my hotel basically lauged at me when I asked her how to get there. She recommended this other noodle place (can’t remember the name, but will find it). I also really enjoyed (Nanzenjijunsei).
I’m glad you enjoyed it! Tenkaippin is a chain restaurant so the concierge’s response is understandable. It would probably be like asking how to get to the nearest Denny’s in the US.
Dewgongongong
"Use the stencil! Do it!"
konakona:「つかさに教われと...なんか非常に負けたような気がする。」
Shun Kakazu: MOAR JAPANESE PROSPECTS PLZ
by Zetsuboushita on Aug 2, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
lefty + good breaking pitch + popup tendencies+ favorable ballpark
He had it all going for him to evade the BABIP furies. Couldn’t get away from the suck furies, though.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
someone's going to make a joke about furries
who will it be?
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
LARPIP
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not Gil Grissom. He doesn’t have a problem with it.
I have no idea what the whole MLP thing is about
But I equate the MLP defenders to furries. It may not be fair, but it is the truth. That is the first image that pops into my brain: a bunch of “bronies” with hooves on their feet and a tail up their ass.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 2, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
/waits for yoshifan to make unsubstantiated claims that most MLP fans are men
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
MANLY MEN
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I am sure this has been mentioned, but it’s new to me… Thanks partly to our offense, Cueto now sits on top of the ERA leader board, taking over Vogelsong.
Proud adopted parent of the ball dudes, who have grounded into 109 fewer double plays than the Giants.
In this episode of MonsterQuest, an intrepid band of scrappy women try to lure Bigfoot with their feminine wiles!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
His one weakness! This week!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes I wish I had just one wile.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: New Fountains of Wayne available on Amazon for $3.99
Worth it?
(listening to it on Spotify now)
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I thought about a band I haven’t thought about in years today: Fenix TX.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I know someone who played drums for them on tour, like, once. (He claims it was 10 times, but I think he’s lying.)
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
by kdl on Aug 2, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I need an invite apparently.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I requested one here: http://www.spotify.com/us/hello-america/
It only took a day or two.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
(If I were able to send you one, I would. But I can’t figure out how.)
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Thanks!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 2, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
After listening to 75% of the album, I think it’s worth $4.
Buying it.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Is the rotation going to stay the same (after the Timmy illness messed it up)?
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
It appears so for now.
Vogelsong will go tomorrow and the first game of the phillies series is Lee vs. Bumgarner.
Get well Buster Posey
Out
hopefully Timmy will be awesome tonight…
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Your new name is so confusing.
And also, it makes me think you were disbarred.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
i did ..... sorry ..... i was working on trying to control The Force.
i’ll never be a Jedi.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
You just need a blood transfusion from a good jedi, to get some of those delicious parasites in your body.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 2, 2011 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Question
Can you bring re-usable aluminum water bottles into AT&T Park?
Assuming it’s filled with water, of course.
Those suckers are expensive, I wouldn’t chance it. I think I’ve seen people with them, but I dunno. And what passes at one gate, may not at another.
Nobody ever looks that closely in my backpack, but I still wouldn’t leave it to chance.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I don't think so they wouldn't even allow me to bring in a can of Coke.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
If you bring a nalgene or plastic bottle you should be fine.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
From the A-Z guide at sfgiants.com
BOTTLES & CANS Sealed plastic bottles and soft-sided juice containers are allowed in AT&T Park. Unsealed plastic bottles and soft-sided containers will be inspected and may be confiscated. Glass bottles and cans are not permitted in the ballpark. Alcoholic beverages (including non-alcoholic beer and wine) are not allowed to be brought into the park regardless of container.
"I never stop being amazed by how much people who hate stats because they’re "flawed" quote so much more obviously flawed stats. " -Joe Posnanski
by RichHerreraHomer on Aug 2, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems to be on the judgment of the person inspecting whether it can be used as a weapon
BOTTLES & CANS Sealed plastic bottles and soft-sided juice containers are allowed in AT&T Park. Unsealed plastic bottles and soft-sided containers will be inspected and may be confiscated. Glass bottles and cans are not permitted in the ballpark. Alcoholic beverages (including non-alcoholic beer and wine) are not allowed to be brought into the park regardless of container.
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
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