minor lines, 8/18/11
by steve S on Aug 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT
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PrintThursday highlights from the Giants' farm: both Juan Perez and Skyler Stromsmoe homered and singled.
AAA: Fresno lost to Round Rock 7-4
Fresno: SS Brandon Crawford: 2 for 4, 2B, BB
Fresno: RF Justin Christian: 2 for 3, BB, SB, E
Fresno: C Tyler LaTorre: 3 for 4, 2B, SB, E
Round Rock: LF Brad Nelson: 3 for 4, HR, 2B, BB, SB
Fresno: SP Daryl Maday: 4.0 IP, 8 H, 6 R, 5 ER, 3 BB, 1 K--1 HR, 1 HB
Round Rock: SP Brett Tomko: 5.0 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
Crawford, Christian, and LaTorre each reached base three times for the Grizzlies. Nelson, the 28-year-old who came up with the Brewers and is now in the Rangers organization, has 8 hits, including 2 HRs, and 3 walks in the first three games of this series in Fresno.
Making his first PCL start of the year, Maday retired less than half the 23 batters he faced. Tomko, the ex-Giant, had a solid start against his former organization, but his ERA remains above 6.50 in 83.1 IP this year.
AA: Richmond lost to Bowie 5-4
(after allowing four runs in the 5th inning)
Richmond: LF Juan Perez: 2 for 4, HR, SB
Richmond: SS Skyler Stromsmoe: 2 for 4, HR, SO
Richmond: SP Clayton Tanner: 5.0 IP, 3 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 5 BB, 2 K--1 HB, 1 WP
Perez and Stromsmoe had their 4th and 1st HRs of the year.
Tanner, who had not issued more than 2 BB in any of his previous nine starts, uncharacteristically struggled with his control (or so his line suggests), issuing 5 BB while throwing just over half his pitches for strikes (51 for 94).
A+: San Jose had a scheduled off-day
(its final off-day this season)
A-: Augusta defeated Charleston 9-3
(getting an early lead with five runs in the 2nd inning)
Augusta: 2B Carlos Willoughby: 3 for 5, 3B, SB
Augusta: 3B Adam Duvall: 1 for 2, 3 BB, CS
Augusta: LF Ryan Scoma: 3 for 4, BB
Augusta: SP Gaspar Santiago: 2.0+ IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 2 K--1 HB, 2 WP
Augusta: RP Mario Rodriguez: 3.0 IP, 4 K
Augusta: RP Edward Concepcion: 1.0 IP, 2 K
Scoma had three hits while reaching base four times, but his AVG remains below .250. Duvall also reached base four times, drawing three of the GreenJackets' five walks. Like Scoma, Willoughby had three hits, raising his AVG to .259.
Santiago began his start with two scoreless frames but then did not retire any of his four batters in the 3rd inning. Pitching the next four innings, Rodriguez and Concepcion combined for 4.0 perfect IP, while striking out half of their batters.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Eugene 5-4
Salem-Keizer: SS Joe Panik: 1 for 3, 2 BB, SB
Salem-Keizer: DH Mike Murray: 1 for 2, HR, 2 BB
Salem-Keizer: 3B Garrett Buechele: 2 for 3, 2B, BB, SB
Salem-Keizer: SP Reiner Roibal: 5.0 IP, 9 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 6 K
Salem-Keizer: RP Chris Gloor: 2.0 IP, 4 K
Murray led off the 2nd inning with his 6th HR. Panik and Buechele also reached base three times each.
Roibal allowed nearly half of his 26 batters to reach base but kept the damage to three runs. Making his seventh NWL appearance, the 24-year-old Gloor had 4 K in 2.0 perfect IP.
R: Scottsdale had its regular off-day (every fifth day)
DSL: Giants defeated Rangers 3-0
Dominican: 1B Victor Feliz: 2 for 3, BB
Dominican: SP Alejandro Flores: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K--1 WP, 1 E
Feliz (20.8 y.o.) had a couple hits to raise his AVG back above .300. Flores' (17.10 y.o.) seventh start was likely his best start yet as a pro, but his ERA remains above 5.00.
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YES!!!
If they aren’t going to hit, they might as well be able to field!
by VizquelQuest on Aug 19, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Also...
…While I’m a generally patient person, my soul can only stand one of the Cabrera/Tejada tandem in the lineup each night. When they both start I can feel the universe shake with frustration.
"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean
by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2011 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's remind ourselves....
Crawford still has the best OBP of the Crawford/Tejada/Cabrera triumvirate.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2011 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Much credit to Brian Sabean and Bruce Bochy for attempting to upgrade SS at the deadline. You tried, guys, you really did. It just didn’t work out and now that we’ve seen that, it’s time to go for defense at that position and bring up Crawford. The problem with you guys is that you’re mean and call them names. I thought if I asked nicely they would listen.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Hey – I’ve yet to be rude to anyone here – including the FO.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions
4 years?
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like Duvall has shaken the rust off.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2011 4:52 AM PDT reply actions
I wonder if he’ll make BA’s weekly Hot Sheet today. BA and OBP probably only pedestrian, but 7 HRs in a week is noteworthy.
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It will be hard for them to keep him off
.485/.500/1.212/1.712 in his last 7 games – to go with the 7 HRs.
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Adam Duvall
He’s a little old for his league, but you can’t argue with results. Wonder if they’ll bump him up to AA next year?
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I wish they had promoted him to A+ at some point this year, though he was hurt for a decent portion towards the end of the season. But it would have been nice to see how he would have held up against a little higher competition.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Aug 19, 2011 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Anybody that really wants to see Adam Duvall, Joe Panik and Brett Bochy playing for SJ this season better start hoping that Salem and Augusta go on a mini losing streak right about now. If those teams make the league playoffs then it’s very doubtful that those 3 will be promoted.
Right now, Augusta is 3 games out in the race for the 2nd half title and 4 games out in the wildcard race. If the first half division winner (Savannah) retains their lead and also wins the 2nd half title (right now they’re 3 games ahead of Augusta), then the team with the 2nd best seaon-long record in the division qualifies for a playoff spot. Augusta’s regular season ends Sept. 5th, as does SJ’s.
S-K’s playoff rules are the same as Augusta’s. The only chance that they have to make the playoffs is to win the 2nd half title, because they’re 8 games out in the wildcard race. S-K is corrently 2 games out of 1st place with 15 games left to play (their regular season ends on Sept. 3rd).
SJ has already clinched a bye in the first round of the CAL playoffs, so they begin their postseason on Sept. 10th.
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That’s a good point, though I wonder if they would consider jumping Panik up from S-K. I’m really surprised they didn’t move him up to Augusta at some point this season, but then, a lot of the moves the Giants’ FO have made this year have been surprising, to say it in a nice way.
There are a couple positions that could be upgraded for SJ, and luckily for Panik and Duvall, two of those positions would be 2B and 3B. With Panik in for Cavan, and Duvall in for Noonan, that offense still wouldn’t be a powerhouse, but it would look better than it does now, depending on how they adjust to better competition.
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by theghostofjasonellison on Aug 19, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
They jumped Posey from S-K to SJ in ’09.
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Don't see why not
His stuff is supposedly pretty good, his results have been fantastic, and he’s got pedigree on his side. Only thing working against him is being a reliever already (and draft position).
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I included him because you can never have enough power arms in the pen during the playoffs, and because Dunnington’s been put on the DL with an arm issue. With Hembree, Lively, and Correa all up in Richmond, the list of really good relievers in SJ is down to Dunning and Harrold. I don’t put those 2 guys in the category of Hembree or Correa, so Bochy would be a big boost for SJ.
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No chance he skips A+ I think
If he starts the season well maybe he’ll jump to Fresno mid-year. But that I also doubt. This is his age-22 season (doesn’t turn 23 until 9/4) so if he can get through the minors in two years that puts him in the majors at age 25. Of course, if he keeps hitting like this it won’t take that long, and I’d expect him to spend the least amount of time in Richmond.
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As Roger has previously noted, you gotta love that Duvall’s huge jump in power this year has also gone hand-in-hand with a rise in his BB-rate to elite levels. With the 3 BBs yesterday, he now has a BB-rate of 12.7% for the season. Not to mention that his K-rate is sitting at a relatively respectable 19% for a guy that is producing at his power level. Unless he just tears it up in ST next year, I have to beleive that Duvall starts in SJ next year. The Giants rarely have their best players skip SJ, no matter what their age.
BTW, what was Narva thinking when he had Duvall attempt to steal 2B with 2 outs in the bottom of the 4th, a 5-3 lead and his cleanup hitter at the plate? Did he forget that Duvall just got back from a 20 day stint on the DL with a pulled hammy?
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And he started slow. As the rube that I am, I can’t find an easy way to find his line since the beginning of May, but since then that BB% has jumped to about 15.4.
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 19, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like since May 1, he’s put up a .303/.421/.588 line with a 15% walk rate, 50% xbh/h, 17 HRs, and a .441 wOBA.
Not too shabby. Actually there’s an 18th HR in there, too, as he HR’d and took MVP honors in the league All Star game.
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opponents are pitching around Duvall these days
or so it appears. And he has the sense to take the walks.
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by foothillsfan on Aug 19, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
If that’s the case, and he isn’t able to get quality competitive ABs, it almost necessitates a promotion, doesn’t it.
Also, any reports on his defense at 3rd? For some reason I just assume he’ll end up at 2nd and be our own cost-controlled Uggla.
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 19, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
His defense at 3rd is supposed to be pretty bad. He makes a lot of errors. Reports are that they are mostly throwing errors due to airmailing his throws to first.
But if you look at his stats from last year, he played a pretty good 2b. I’m sure he lacks range, but if it’s his arm that limits him as a 3b, then he should be okay at 2b. His bat seems good enough that he should be able to get away with subpar defense. Less so at 3b, more so at 2b.
Meanwhile, I’m hoping he can be more Jeff Kent than Dan Uggla. After Gary Brown, I think Duvall might be my favorite pet prospect.
by OrgoneDonor on Aug 19, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I concur...
…assuming he doesn’t fall off a cliff production wise, I would hope for a mid-season promotion to Richmond.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2011 7:43 AM PDT reply actions
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by Smotheredinhugs on Aug 19, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Giants are #17
Jim Callis just posted his table of how much each team spent on bonuses this year. The Giants ended up as the #17 (out of 30) highest spender with $6.266M, which has to be considered well above-average since they only had 1 extra pick (#49 overall) and they picked at the end of every round. ABout an hour after the deadline on Monday, I guesstimated that they had spent about $6.25M, so I was very close.
http://ht.ly/67w5d
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In 2010 the Giants spent a little under $5M on bonuses. They were picking 4 slots lower in each round last year, but they didn’t have a supplemental round pick so it appears that the Giants opened the pursestrings a bit more this year. The Giants definitely drafted and signed more HS prospects and teenagers this year (thankfully), so they were pretty much forced to pay more to get so many of them to agree to contracts.
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I can’t believe that 3 teams spent less than 1/2 of what the Giants spent….
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Aug 19, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
When did the Angles become such tightwads? They only spent aoubt 47% of what the Giants spent. I know that they didn’t have a 2nd round pick or a supp. pick, but they were picking #14 in every round except the first round (when they were #17).
Also, the LOL Rockies. They had the exact same picks in each round as the Giants (including in the 1-S round) and they were picking 9 spots ahead of us in each round (only 5 spots in teh 1-S round), but they still managed to spend only around 63% (about $2.2M less) of what the Giants spent. Yes, they didn’t sign their 3rd round pick (a college junior!), but a 3rd rounder only set back teams about $500K on average. When you see the trade of Ubaldo and their tightwad draft, it looks to me that the Rox are admittng that they overreached with their insane contract extensions to Tulo and CarGo and others this past off-season. The Rox are a team that is only going to remain competitive by keeping a good stream of prospects comng from their farm system.
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Too much money tied up in Vernon Wells
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I was thinking about this the other day: is there another move that any GM has made in recent memory that can even compare to the Vernon Wells deal? It seems to me that that’s far and away the worst deal I can think of in my lifetime of watching baseball. And really, the second stupidest thing any GM has done in the last 10 years was probably the firing of Eddie Bane and the same guy pulled the trigger on both of those moves.
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The Alex Rios deal is a little scary, but he’s at least had an above-average season for the White Sox. The Wells deal is outright crazy.
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And at least Rios was just a waiver claim
The Angels gave up MIKE NAPOLI to get Wells. Juan Rivera alone would have been an overpay, but Napoli’s inclusion in that deal astounds me.
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Yeah, it was completely inexplicable
One of those rare deals where like 95% of the baseball world agreed that the Angels got proper fucked. Holy shit, I hadn’t even looked up Wells’ numbers for the year: .200/.231/.365. That is atrocious. 3/63 left after this year, but this seems like an important stipulation:
Wells may opt out of contract after 2011
If his family members start mysteriously dying this offseason, someone needs to investigate Tony Reagins.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
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Comparing apples to apples
As FLA pointed out in the other thread, comparing the Giants’ budget with the Pirates, Nats and Royals is silly since they had so many more opportunities for better picks.
So, who are the teams on the list with a similar slotting as the Giants and only 1-2 supplemental picks?
The following 11 teams picked within Tigers slots of the Giants this year:
Tigers, Rockies, Jays, Cards, ChiSox, BoSox, Pads, Rangers, Reds, Braves, Twins, Yankees, Rays, Phillies
Recategorized by # of supp picks:
0 extra picks: Tigers(-1 pick), Cards, Reds, Braves, Yankees(no 1st, only supp), Phillies(no 1st, only supp)
1 extra pick: Rockies, ChiSox, Giants, Rangers
2 extra picks: Boston, Twins
3+ extra picks: Jays, Rays, Padres
So the 3 teams most comparable to the Giants are the Rockies, ChiSox, and Rangers, who spent: $4mm, $2.7mm, $4.2mm each.
The 2 teams who should’ve outspent the Giants by $1mm or so:
BoSox: $11mm, Twins: $5.9mm
The 6 teams who should’ve underspent the Giants by $1mm or more:
Tigers: $2.9mm, Cards: $4.5mm, Reds $6.4mm, Braves $3.8mm, Yankees: $6.3mm, Phillies: $4.7mm
Final Analysis:
Teams who overspent the Giants:
BoSox: BY A LOT
Reds, Yankees: By $1mm or so
Teams who spent about the same as the Giants, given the picks:
Phillies
Teams who the Giants outspent:
Braves(!), Cards, Twins, Rockies, ChiSox, Rangers, Tigers
Uncomparables: Rays, Jays, Pads
I’m feeling a lot better about the draft. We’d expect Boston and NY to outspend the Giants, which they did. The Reds opening the purse strings is a surprise. We’d expect Phillie to outspend the Giants, and they didn’t. They underspent by quite a bit. I gave them the benefit of the doubt due to not having a first rounder, but even if we take out Panik’s salary, the Giants still outspent the Phils.
The Giants outspent their 7 of their 11 closest comparables.
Sure, we can all say that they should’ve drafted Norris or Bell instead of Panik, but in an honest comparison to the rest of the league, they didn’t have a budget-conscious draft, either. Kudos to Neuk and the FO. They went with a slightly safer first pick, and then took lots of medium sized high upside gambles with the rest. Good strategy, IMO.
Oops... Boston should've been in the 3+ group.
That means the Giants outspent 7-8 of their 10 closest comparables.
Only the Yankees and Reds clearly outspent the Giants, because the Giants had an extra 1/1S pick, but still spent less.
Good stuff
The BoSox have always been very aggressive under Epstein going after hard-to-sign HS kids in the later rounds so it’s not surprising that they’re near the top again this year. The team that does surprise me is the Yankees. They’ve been really hesitant to pay large signing bonuses in the past 3-4 drafts – even though they have more money than any team. You would think that they would be more aggressive with their cash and their cache.
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WTF!!
Why haven’t we called up Skyler Stromsmoebolinski to the big club yet??!!
The guy made contact, let’s get him up here!
Pardon my french
Who the fuck is Tyler LaTorre?
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
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he's an organizational player out of UC Davis,
and when he and Jackson Williams were at San Jose together, i heard a comment, probably here, that pitchers preferred throwing to LaTorre.
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by foothillsfan on Aug 19, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
I see
Interesting that I’ve never heard of him.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Aug 19, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
considering he's never been a regular starter
and turned 28 this Spring, this is a nice season for him, AVe 323 second on the team; OBP 377, Slug 464, OPS
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by foothillsfan on Aug 19, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
http://mlbreports.com/2011/08/18/latorre/
Nice little interview with him. Personally I think he is quite good, not much gets past him and he has a decent bat.
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It looks like Clayton Blackburn got back on track today. The AZL Giants are winning 5-0 in the 7th inning, so if he took his regular start then he put up all goose eggs.
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Who are the Top 10 Giants Prospects as of right now
…and a brief description of why…
trying to understand the dynamics of prospect assessment a little better
CHeck out this fanpost
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/7/6/2262004/reviewing-the-mcc-community-prospect-list
It’s a mid-season review of our offseason Community Prospect List. It should give you a good overview of who the top prospects were pre-draft and pre-minor league season.
I think that it’s safe to say that most evaluators would now have Gary Brown as the #1 prospect (now that Belt is no longer eligible and Wheeler was traded). Of the guys signed this year, you’ll also get near-universal agreement that Joe Panik is in the 3-5 range, Kyle Crick somewhere around #8, and Blackburn, Mejia and Dejesus likely in the 11-15 range. Adam Duvall, Tommy Joseph and Hector Sanchez would likely be the 3 incumbents that all jumped into the top 10 due to thier improved play in the minors this season.
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Wow. talk about decimation.
Off that list, we traded:
#2, #3.
we graduated:
#1, #6.
Four out of the top six, gone. lol. And I thought we were thin at the top last year. I can’t think of a #3 except for pegs, who I cringe at putting #3.
New top20? Brown, Surkkkkamp, Pegs(?), Panik, ToJo(recency bias, lol), Crick, Hembree, Susac, HSanchez, Duvall, Jones, Osich, Mejia, DeJesus, Adrianza,Blackburn, Krill, Verdugo, Oropesa, Culbie.
Off the top of my head. I can’t believe I have 3 catchers in the top 10, and 6 draftees in the top 20. And seriously, who’s #3? I really don’t want Pegs to be our 3rd top prospect, but Panik hasn’t really shown enough. ToJo is probably too high, but his last week has me pumped.
I'd go Joseph #3
If he can not only stick at catcher but be a good defensive catcher, as is apparently the case according to BA, he goes from being a nice multi-position backup getting plenty of playing time to a guy who ought to get 500 ABs a year. I’d also give him credit for letting us play Posey somewhere other than C a few games a week which could extend his catching career for years.
Peguero’s season has not been good enough to keep him in the top 5, much less third. I say (off the top of my head):
1. Brown
2. Surkamp
3. Joseph
4. Panik
5. H. Sanchez
6. Duvall
7. Crick
8. Peguero
9. Hembree
10. Susac
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Wow, that’s a crazy low ranking on Peguero who at 23 is having an above average season in AA and brings defensive and baserunning value (also, he’s not really showing much in the way of BABIP shenanigans as you say below, I don’t .341 is all that extreme for a player with his speed in a minor league setting). Placing him far below a defensively challenged same age player two levels lower is extreme IMO, even though I love Duvall’s power/patience combo.
The other one I’d really have to challenge is the extremely high positioning of Hector Sanchez. Being a catcher surely helps him (though I’ve never heard his defense praised all that highly), and because of the bizarre promotion his season is now divided up into: a) being league average for half a season in the Cal league and b) being absolutely terrible for half a season in the PCL. His walk rate in the Cal was no better than Peguero’s ever shown (2.7%) and it’s only been slightly acceptable in the PCL (7.7%). The only really good thing about his season is the power he showed in a very power friendly league. I just can’t see putting him at 5.
Also, as much as I love Surkamp, I think his ceiling is still 4/5 starter, which makes it hard to get the same amount of value out of him as a starting position player, so I’d knock him a couple spots for that, despite the awesome AA year.
So I guess I’d go:
Brown
Peguero
Joseph
Panik
Surkamp
Hembree
Crick
Sanchez
Susac
Duvall
Blackburn
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I haven’t ranked them lately, but I don’t think Duvall would be particularly close to my top ten. He’s had a fine season, but it was out of the blue, he doesn’t seem to have a position, and he’s nearly 23 and still in low-A.
OTOH
Augusta is a terrible place to hit, especially for power, there aren’t any BABIP shenanigans going on, he’s walking a ton and not striking out that much, he is 23 but he’s a college bat so it’s only his first year in the pros, and he’s got a couple years to figure out a position, which I think he will (2B).
I do think he should have been moved to SJ at some point, particularly since there’s no 3B there blocking him, but maybe he’ll go for the playoffs or something. In any case, it’s not unreasonable to see him in SF at 24-25 if he continues hitting and the power potential from a 2B is quite nice. Also, this is a pretty weak system; I put him #6 above which might be a little aggressive but after that it’s two 2011 draftees, another 23 year old having a BABIP-driven season in AA (though I am lower on Peguero than most), and a relief pitcher (albeit one with a high ceiling). He has to be a better prospect than Susac, and I don’t see who you bump from the top 10 to even get Susac out, much less Duvall.
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