Rental Players and Hidden Fees
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 18, 2011 12:52 PM PDT
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PrintThe clinical name is javiertitis. It's the belief that one player can come in and do everything right for a team that needs everything to go right. Trade for a player, have him do only good things, and reap the rewards. IT CAN HAPPEN. Look at Javier Lopez last year. The Giants won the division by two games. With, say, Jack Taschner in there, they might not have.
Apropos of nothing: this makes me think that Javier is doing some kind of Dr. Sam Beckett thing. Somewhere in another dimension, he learned to throw left-handed, Dean Stockwell shuttled him here, and so it goes.
Heck, even if he wasn't exactly the reason the Giants won the World Series, he made this game possible, which is probably worth a Bowker or two in retrospect. But I'm willing to believe that without Javier Lopez, things would have gone much differently last year. That led to some nasty javiertitis. It's why I wasn't completely and wholly against trading Zack Wheeler for two months of Carlos Beltran.
The road to recovery is long and arduous. I think I'm on it.
If there's a lesson from this year, it's that it is absolutely idiotic to expect anything from a single player over a two month stretch. And it's not Beltran's skeleton of breadsticks that's making me feel like this. Of course players get injured. Fear of injury is a good reason to avoid a short-term trade, but it's not the best one. No, the best reason is that one player is really, really unlikely to make a big difference. The epiphany came after Orlando Cabrera's two errors yesterday.
The Giants sent six potential years of Thomas Neal (something between Mike Aldrete and Lance Niekro, most likely) away for a small defensive upgrade. Brandon Crawford isn't close to a good hitter, but he's pretty close to the same player that Cabrera is right now. The difference, if there is one, is that Cabrera is supposed to be a little steadier with the glove.
Yet Cabrera made two errors yesterday.
Yet the Giants won by two runs.
That's the whole point. When a team trades for a player to do very specific things for two months, he might not do those things in the games they win, and he might do them in the games they lose. Over a full season, it could make a difference. Over two months, you're flipping a coin. Maybe it's a homemade coin that's wonky enough to give slightly different odds one way or the other, but it's still nothing you can trust.
I've always been confused by those WAR numbers that said the difference between Pablo Sandoval and Jose Castillo in 2009 was five wins. I'm too stupid to understand the math, so I don't say anything, but only five wins? Fewer than one extra win per month? It's hard to believe. One player is terrible. One player is good. And the idea is that if the Giants made a deadline deal to replace a player like Castillo with a player like Pablo in 2009, it would have netted an extra two wins on average for the remainder of the season.
I get it now, though. Some of Pablo's solo home runs would have come in two-run games, some of his hits would have come in games that were out of reach one way or the other. And even a bad hitter like Castillo would get his hits, and some of them would help the Giants win an occasional game. It takes a while to add up.
Now consider the difference between Cabrera and Crawford, which wouldn't be nearly as great as Pablo/Castillo. Even the difference between Beltran and Torres wouldn't come close to that, even if Beltran were healthy. Yet the Giants traded away a pretty danged good prospect on the gamble. I didn't hate it at the time. And it still could look really smart over the next month-and-a-half! But I think I'm cured. No more rental players unless it's a great player for a bag of pistachios. The risk/reward just isn't there.
The cure for javiertitis? A cabrenema. Clean it all out, boys. Let's start fresh.
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The future, BestHyperboleEver?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Aug 18, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Apparently there are some serious advances in hair restoration techniques in the future.
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 18, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
And I can’t even begin to imagine what mind-boggling world events have led to me wearing a necklace of robot testicles.
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 18, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Finally, it’s just me, my books and no distractions. Now where are my glasses?
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 18, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
I’m gonna go ahead and rec this.
"I give up that lead-off double, well, who cares? I'm about to get nasty." - Brian Wilson
by GrooveGiant on Aug 18, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I WAS ROBBED!
I was lying down reading to my 2 year-old , and closed my eyes around 1000. Woke up at 120!
WTF?! And who stole time from me!
"Sharp grounder hit to Uribe to Thompson, for one, to Clark- DOUBLE PLAY!"
by FanFavoriteNo36 on Aug 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
The Quantum Leap reference makes this post worth reading.The Cabrera/Crawford reference made me sad. I must have the Cabrera/Crawford, Huff/Belt argument at least twice a week with friends that are channeling Bochy’s veteran addiction. It’s getting really old.
I so want Crawford to be at least an MLB average hitter, I really miss good shortstop defense. I almost threw stuff at the TV last night after watching the Cabrera Statue wave his glove at balls just outside his putrid range.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
You should come to my house then. There has been a lot of WTF ! by mrs. nvsfg. Sometimes at the start of the game when she sees the linup.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
We were listening to the game at the dept last night, and it took all I had to keep myself from yelling at the radio, and thus looking like a lunatic in front of the guys.
thanks, Cabrera. please go away now
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
hiding from you
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know why… but I’d rather watch one of the young’uns try and figure it out… than watch ye olde grizzled veterane flail and fail.
at least it makes for anticipation, something to look forward to
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
but I’d rather watch one of the young’uns try and figure it out
Rec’d…a thousand time rec’d
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
This line
I am in it.
I was willing to watch Crawford flirt with the wrong side of the Mendoza line for a couple more months just so I could see him out there on defense.
Was Cabrera really supposed to be a defensive upgrade? I thought the idea was that he’d improve the offense (which he hasn’t).
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
I'll repeat myself from the last thread
why is Cabrera at 2B and Tejada at SS? Unless Whitey is playing OF or something.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
oh
I forgot, Tejada is incapable of playing 2B, even though he can’t play SS.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it could be Tejada at 2B and Zero at SS…actually Zero got reps in Cleveland at 2B right? so he has practice for what it’s worth
I suppose once you’ve made the decision to let Tejadaburger on the field it doesn’t matter where you play Craprera.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't like the Cabrera trade then
don’t really like it now.
I was for getting Beltran, knew the price was gonna suck. Now I have hurt feelings
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I wasn't around when the trade happened.
Was there a single person who was pro-Cabrera-trade?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I’m still confused as to why Sabean thinks this move was “academic” in any form.
"I give up that lead-off double, well, who cares? I'm about to get nasty." - Brian Wilson
Something about needing another RH bat.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Key Words in the sentence
why Sabean thinks
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
jctGamer argued it wasn’t horrible.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I agree with JCT
There’s a really big chance it’s going to be totally inconsequential for both sides
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Well, I don't know if it was an outrage
But the Giants paid something of modest value (a middling prospect) for something of zero value. Most likely they could have acquired Cabrera on waivers after Aug. 1. It’s not the worst thing ever, but when the front office does something really stupid, even if it’s not likely to have a big impact, I think it’s reasonable to question their competence.
I make fun of Sabean plenty times, but his trade deadline acquisitions and waiver wire pickups from last season (let’s forget about Jose Guillen, shall we?) paid actual dividends, as in TGWTWS. It’s certainly debatable whether Sabean’s moves were just dumb luck or savvy baseball acumen (most likely a mix of both), but the players he added played a big role in the playoffs. He’s not a genius, and he’s not an idiot.
Alex Anthopoulos is celebrated around here as some sort of savant, but if the Blue Jays don’t end up winning a World Series or even making the playoffs the next 10 years, does it matter? Is there some other metric of success these guys should use instead?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
But the good pickups
were pitchers which I think the Giants have a decent track record on evaluating talent.
As you wanted to forget the big positional player pickup was the horrid Jose Guillen.
BTW, I have nothing to back it up, but I am quite certain that if Guillen had not had the scandal that we would have seen him in the playoffs.
I’m also counting Burrell (picked up last June, but still) and Ross (meant to be a waiver-wire block, but still).
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I would not give Sabean or Giants management
any kudos on either of those. One is a no-brainer with no risk if he didn’t look good in AAA (Burrell) and the other was an accidental acquisition (Ross). Neither involved any analysis of skills.
This
BTW, I have nothing to back it up, but I am quite certain that if Guillen had not had the scandal that we would have seen him in the playoffs.
I have no doubt. They picked Guillen up nine days before Ross, and Guillen wound up with 60 more PAs than Ross. He was in the lineup the last day of the season even after capping a horrid September (.604 OPS) with a GIDP in the 9th as the potential winning run the day before, in the Zito Meltdown game.
I’ll always see his wife’s PED order as equal to any factor in the Giants’ run through the playoffs.
Twenty-seven years of waiting has come to an end.
metric of success=
number of movies made about GM.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
this makes me think: terrible GMs whose teams have won the World Series
Two who come to mind right away: Kenny Williams and Bob Quinn.
Who else?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Fred Claire?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
looks around...no one raising their hands.
/ Bueller?….Bueller?……Bueller?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
He's better than Crawford
Neal was probably a bit much to give up, but I don’t think Neal will be a big leaguer, so I was fine with it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Why do you think he is better than Crawford?
At best, they are the same.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
He’s better than Crawford
You mean with a bat ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I’m not really ready to get into a big GiantPain argument, so I’ll just let that go.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Not Victory
Defensive Indifference
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
YOU!!!!!!
I’m annoyed with you!!!!
I’m reading a book on English language acquisition and the authors are continually going on about “learner 1” and THANKS TO YOU…. “the letter 2” !
Well, I’m just pissing people off on both sides of the continent this week, aren’t I? That has to be some kind of horrible personal record.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Are you going to McCovey’s on Sat, TL2?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg,) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Yay! Look forward to meeting you. I’ll be the one in the Giants jersey.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg,) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
On Saturday
I will be part of a traveling band of folks going around the central valley to educate people on the merits of a fall popcorn sale.
I wish I was making this up.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Will you be dancing through villages like a bard singing songs about popcorn?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I have misplaced my lute.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
wat
This is intriguing, unless it’s too much personal info to share.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Scout will be wearing tights and curley-toed shoes.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I work for the Boy Scouts of America
and starting tonight through Saturday night we will be going to different towns putting on “Popcorn Extravaganzas”
Training events basically that will run the rest of my week.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
both really.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
wow
that’s definitely a new one. But it’s good to know the good people of Clovis and Madera will have ample opportunities to acquire dried corn this fall!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Historically, yes.
This year…not so much.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Just like Tejada
It’s possible he’s fallen off the cliff.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Tejada has fallen off of the Burj Khalifa.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Tejada has fallen off Angel Falls
only to find someone dug a new Grand Canyon at the base of it.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Yeah
but Cabrera is only around for this year, so this year’s sample should have somewhat greater importance. Chances are we have Crawford around next year anyway.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
this year should be weighted slightly more heavily
but the reason for that has NOTHING to do with the fact that he’s only hear for this year
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I think it should have factored into the decision to bring him here vs. in house.
But I do agree.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
SSS?
He was also wretched in 2010, just not quite as wretched. So we have a sample of 948 PAs and a wRC+ of 70 or so. That’s (marginally) better than Crawford, but with the defensive difference pretty heavily in Crawford’s favor, I gotta think they’re pretty close to equal.
I think the defensive difference is overstated.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Really?
My guess is 5 runs, maybe 10. Crawford has a lot more range and a better arm.
I'd put it close to 5 at best
And I think that Cabrera’s bat is more than 5 runs better than Crawford’s.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The Giants already have Miguel Tejada, though.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
This is a correct statement.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
The mental image of Merope in the classroom with a blowtorch is disturbing.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
not only that
but it allows Crawford to practice against AAA pitching, around coaches who will be more focused on his development
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I would be ok with this if Cabrera only started vs. LHP.
But he is a worse hitter than Crawford vs. RHP (or has been this year), and is worse with the glove. They are both worse hitters vs. RHP than Fontenot.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I honestly didn’t realize what was happening until well after it was done.
Which is weird because I don’t remember any sort of lapse around the deadline.
I must have been in the bathroom or something.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I thought he was a better all-around solution than anyone else the Giants had, and I still might have been right, maybe. However, I would undo this trade if I could now. I don’t think there is enough marginal upgrade in any phase of the SS game to warrant having to watch him play old SS. Plus, is he the only player who has played every game since the trade? Does he have to run him out there every night?
I think the best rental deal this season was the Bourn trade
And the greatest rental of all time funny enough
On June 24, 2004, the Astros acquired Beltran. They sent RP Octavio Dotel to the Athletics and prospect C John Buck to the Royals. The Athletics also sent 3B Mark Teahen and P Mike Wood to the Royals.
They traded a reliever and a C prospect for fucking in his prime Carlos Beltran. Billy Bean is a genius!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
…and probably the player we should have gotten
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
ATL didn’t pay much for him, did they?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
they had more in the system than the Giants did
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 18, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Atlanta's farm system is pretty crazy.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Damnit you're right
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Bourn is under team control
The Giants are the only one with a rental of the big 3 trades this year (Pence, Bourn, Beltran)
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Was Singleton or Cosart rated higher than Wheeler?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Baseball America
Had Singleton above Wheeler, Cosart below.
Singleton – 39
Wheeler – 55
Cosart – 70
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Mid Season Baseball America only listed top 50
Wheeler – 35
Singleton – 41
Cosart – not listed.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
John Buck is actually a halfway decent player now
Probably the best non-Beltran player in that trade
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
eh
who needs a C anyway.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Not the Giants
Whitey and Stewie baby. That’s all we need.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
who do you pick as backup for next season?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
neither
Stewie waits in Fresno again, and they get a real backup as they should have last off-season.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow...that's tough question
The Giants have Daniel Burkhart, Joseph Staley, Jeff Arnold, Tommy Joseph, Johnny Monell, Jackson Williams, Max Ramirez, and Hector Sanchez in the system from SSA through 3A . Most are some vartiation of org filler/potential breakout. Susac signed , and there is Whiteside and Stewart.
None appear to be close to ready. I think you have to go shopping.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I would say Stewart, mainly because the pitchers seem to like him, he has a good arm, but I suppose it all has to do with how much Posey will be able to play- and I’m not sure anyone knows how much he’ll be able to catch until the season starts.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Stewart. I love the arm and the defense. Of course, I also love Nate and Crawford for the same reason. Can’t do it without some semblance of an MLB offense.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Well, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Nate starting RF next year. His bat is finally average, maybe even a little above-average.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn't be comfortable just saying that Nate is an average hitter now when he hasn't been for years.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Same.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg,) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
but if you’re the Giants FO, do you plan on Nate as your Opening Day RF and Belt as your LF, and resign Ross in case one of the two bust?
I will admit that Nates breakthroughs have all happened since his batting stance changed. That, and he’s driving the ball like never before.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
If the price is right, I'd like Beltran in LF and Belt in RF, Ross gone, Nate backup
Priority #1 should be Reyes though.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
You think Belt would play a better RF than Beltran?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Yes and for much cheaper.
Based entirely on his younger legs.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I don’t think $$ has anything to with their positions once they are both on the roster.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I also missed that he still had Beltran up there.
IGNORE ME
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
you do understand that the Giants do not print US Currency, right?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
back to FAT
one-week emergency callup if needed. Which presumably would be if Buster couldn’t go and Replacementlevel Catchertobeacquiredinoffseason is injured.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
cabrenema
sounds like some kind of rock in my fish tank.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
You like warm soda ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
It’s perfect for when driving on ludes.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
It is comments like this that add authenticity to your username
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
just resize the window to cut off the sidebars.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the cut of your jib
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
/flutters eyes
Why thank you, sir.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
/goes on DL with a cut jib
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Aug 18, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this is funny people
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It the staring at me while he does it I find off-putting.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He is DARING you to object to his pooping!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Aren't you on vacation?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Today is my last day
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m leaving tomorrow morning on a road trip and I probably won’t be back in town until the beginning of next month.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Argh...bummer
Sorry about that. But it was sweet of you to think of me! Thank you.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
PLACE YOUR BETS:
Over/under on the number of days until Lars is in Portland dropping acid with ’crash?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCK!
You ruined the surprise.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You should do it on the 23rd since I’m going to take some liquid before heading to Zeke’s. Particles, baby.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
/regrets the error
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Considering how terrible the first two games seemed
A win behind Tim would be delightful this evening. GO VANCE WORLEY!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Worley’s on the mound? Seriously? What the fuck.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Jo Ann Worley!
Famous for, I don’t know what, being on game shows?
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
hahaha
/cue Goofus’ post of Jaye P. Morgan yesterday
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
“I just shampooed my lips”
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
My introduction to Playboy articles
I read a Playboy interview with her once when I was a wee teen. The interviewer asked why Chuck Barris referred to her as “Juicy” Jaye P. Morgan. Her response was more candid than I was accustomed to in the family papers.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
POKEMONZ!
I’m scared to start Worley tonight, your thoughts?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Against the DBacks? In that park? I wouldn't.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'm starting him
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
No kidding
Don’t go all Nolasco on us.
Anagram of "SF Giants World Series Champs" = SHARP, ORGASMIC, ENDLESS SWIFT
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Aug 18, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
My problem with the Beltran trade was that it lacked imagination. It’s like, “We need a rock band … let’s get the Rolling Stones!”. “I need a personal coach … I’ll see if Tony Robbins is available!” It was like running the football straight up the middle. It was the most obvious answer to the pressing problem at hand, so obvious that it costs us a lot.
I think that there are many ways we could have upgraded the offense that would have left us still with the Wheeler “Pedro Martinez Lottery Ticket” still in our hands. Yes, I know Beltran is a truly elite hitter, but I imagine that the improvement of Ramon Hernandez or Yorvit Torrealba over Whitewart would have probably been as large, if not greater, than the improvement of Beltran over Nate. Hell, the improvement of Brett Pill (or Jesus Guzman) over Huff would probably have improved the team more than the difference between Beltran and Nate).
(also – SSS I know – but I imagine that Nate’s .290 / .339 / .460 line as a right fielder, .160 / .250 / .200 in left, means that he’s not comfortable learning the new position, that he resents moving, or something like that)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
by SnowLeopard on Aug 18, 2011 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
great Sig, Bret, the Series was fun in many ways here too
and Rec to Snow Leopard’s posts for creative compaing
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Sympathy for the Devil
When you have the chance to trade for the Rolling Stones, you do it.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Sabean only gets Brian Jones for Zack Wheeler.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Bobby Keys for Gary Brown
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Both well on their downslide, natch
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
The Rolling Stones have done some great things over the years, and are still pretty impressive
just like Beltran.
However, rumor has it that in both the worlds of rock and the baseball, there are kids today with some talent.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I hate when people mention sample size issues and then proceed to ignore them.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I
love it!
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
SSS, I know...
…but people who point that out tend to be dicks
:-P
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Aug 18, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You had me until the Nate position change affecting his hitting part
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
speaking of GRIT, with a LHP on the mound, I’ll bet we see Rownads instead of Belt tonight.
/shiver
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh you poor thing
You dont know yet do you
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
neither have I
now I’m scared
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
WAIT WHAT THE FUCK
LF Ross
2B Cabrera
3B Sandoval
1B Huff
SS Tejada
RF Nate
CF Rowand
C Stewart
P Lincecum
THE HOBBIT AND BELT ARE OUT?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
well, the Hobbit should be out
I’d really rather have the statues vs. LHP as long as Kepp’s out.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
TEJADA AND CABRERA UP THE MIDDLE? NOTHING CAN GO WRONG THERE.
FUCK
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
eh i'm not that worried
I can’t imagine Cabrera will be much worse at 2b than Grantenot, and he’s a better hitter v. LHP
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
what about balls hit to SS, then?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do you hate Fontenot?
He has a UZR/150 of 6.0 in over a seasons worth of 2B.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
UZR/150 over a season
is completely meaningless.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
That's pretty solid tho,
even if its off, saying he’s worth than Cabrera is a stretch.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
oh I said Cabrera is worse
just not much worse. Cabrera is a better HITTER, but only vs. LHP
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
It's almost two seasons
1945 innings for a middle infielder is getting to the point that you can start to trust it.
after his 4th error of the inning, Bochy might just do that. but yeah, I’d flip them too. definetly
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Cabrera looks A LOT more rangy at SS than Tejada
Those are our choices ? I’ll need some lithium along with that bottle of Jack Daniels.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
we could just load you up with ketamine
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
sounds good
where do i sign up?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I already injected you.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This might be the worst lineup
by any team all season.
And the IF defense is awful too. Cabrera is batting second. SECOND!
TEJADA IS BATTING FIFTH!
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
THAT IS QUITE A LINEUP
I will pay you $10 for it.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Aug 18, 2011 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions
yep, per Baggs
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep LOLBELT
Also you’ll LOVE the middle infield defense
by Falconer88 on Aug 18, 2011 1:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cabrera isn't better defensively than Crawford
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Aug 18, 2011 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
CINDY Crawford
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
CRAWFORD BOXES
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This talk about how a guys production might/might not matter over the short term reminds me of PtB
His production was awesome, but even moreso because it seemed like all of his big hits were so timely.
Greatest dumpster dive ever?
The thong is, it happened.
It was a good pickup, no doubt
But people err when they decide that the “timely hitting” was a product of the player’s skill, and not just fluctuation.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
You could argue
That getting the “big hit” with Giants is more a product of the stalemate-type, no run games they seem to engage in every night for the past couple of years.
by Drug Runner SF on Aug 18, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Excellent analysis.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
"Timely hitting" isn't always meant to be predictive
Sometimes it just notes what was.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I think you missed my point entirely...and maybe Grant's OP
I was acknowledging Grant’s point that the success of a short-term guy is largely luck; not only because it’s a SSS to look at, but where the hits happen makes it even more luck-driven.
I was just saying that the way Burrell worked out was extra-remarkable because his production were so timely.
The thong is, it happened.
Good thing to research
I’m sure there’s been better, but nothing comes to mind this instant.
by Drug Runner SF on Aug 18, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I miss him.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
true story
One of the best moments of the playoffs, for me, was his dinger early in Game 2 of the NLDS. It ended horribly, of course, but at the time it was just a dozen drunk Giants fans in a bar in Seattle, chanting “PAT THE BAT!” at the top of our lungs. Priceless.
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 18, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I sincerely hope he gets to hit one more HR for the Giants. one last trot. sounds like the surgery will end his career.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Possible surgery for his foot.
They are trying more rehab first, but it sounds like the surgery would end his career.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Sucks
Seeing all these pathetic at bats from Giants hitters, I am hoping a return to the lineup would add some patience and a little pop.
by Drug Runner SF on Aug 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I really miss my favorite players from last year.
Burrell, Posey, a happy Torres….. :(
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking about that the other day
How fucking awesome would it be if Pat got us into the playoffs again?
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 18, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
he should Spilbourgh the shit outta the Rockies to send us back into the playoffs on Game 162
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
we did. Orlando Cabrera
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Can Will Clark put on the uniform and be slotted in the 3 hole?
by Drug Runner SF on Aug 18, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
There is a pornographic reference in there somewhere
Why not just put Stewart in the 2-hole while we’re at it.
We'd have to move him to 2nd base.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
So far it hasn't worked out
But the Beltran trade was solid in theory. Wheeler is an interesting prospect, but one with a lot of question marks. And, not to get too splitty, but his numbers outside of SJ (where the backdrop makes it very pitcher friendly) were pretty meh (21% K, 12.3% BB).
The Giants desperately needed some offense, and there wasn’t a better hitter on the market. Granted, he played a position where we were deepest, but there weren’t exactly good options available at SS or C.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I agree
But I think I’ve been more bearish on Wheeler than most for a while.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But the Beltran end had risks too
Injury/slumps. And we were lucky enough to get both
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
very little of the discussion here mentioned Beltran’s loooong absences from the Mets lineup past 2 years. In our enthusiasm we looked past that and assumed he was all healthy now.
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think you were reading the same MCC I was
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
He hurt his wrist/hand
People were worried about his knee. Feels sort of fluky to me.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
The Giants desperately needed some offense
Agreed, but one player is unlikely to solve that. Maybe by a win or two. Maybe that’s the margin of victory in the division. I can almost see it for a really good player. But for 0-Cab….man.
by Grant Brisbee on Aug 18, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
But if you're Brian Sabean, and you think that Thomas Neal is never going to make the major leagues
Then you’re essentially getting O-Cab for free. I’d imagine that’s how he looks at this deal.
Or, put another way – why don’t we all just pretend that we traded Neal for Keppinger and Sosa for O-Cab.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Well then the flaw is believing 0-Cab adds any value whatsoever
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Why don’t we pretend the Giants just released Neal outright?
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
better
let’s pretend they release Cabrera and Tejada outright.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Tonight ? I'm good with that.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Sure. Trade the whole farm for him then! They’re all just dreck anyways, and most of them aren’t even close to the majors, in AA.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, because that's what I said.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Couldn’t you extend that sort of logic to trading most of the farm though? I mean, chances are very good that outside of your top two or three prospects, none of them is going to become a major leaguer.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No.
All prospects exist on a spectrum of liklihood that they’ll make it to the majors. Some are up close to 75, 80, maybe 90 at times. Some are very low, few are ever all the way at 0.
You don’t trade away your guys who are more likely, your 25, 35, 50% chance guys for nothing.
But if Sabean thought that Neal’s chance of getting to the majors was very low, 2%, 5%, whatever, then he would have had no trouble giving him up, because Neal has almost no value at all to him.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
If he thought Neal had a 2% chance of making the majors
He’s an idiot. I think he probably won’t, but he’s still young and has had some success. The chance is probably more like 25%. And he was traded for two months of nothing. Even if you think there was only a 5% chance of his becoming an average major-league OF, the Giants paid on the order of $2M for two months of 0-Cab.
Cabrera was/is indefensible
That’s the classic no-upgrade Sabean trade.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
ehhhhh
if, like GP says, you don’t see Neal ever making the majors on the team, and you think Crawford will be better in 2012 and beyond from getting development time in Fresno, it kind of makes sense
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
You honestly think Brian Sabean was thinking of Crawford's development when he made the 0-Cab trade?
Please
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I'm pretty sure he wasn't.
But it is possible. I think it’s good for Crawford to be in the minors, but bad for the team.
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I think it's a wash for the team this year
and better for the team next year
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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Yeah I should have been clear on what team I was talking about. I do think this is better for the Giants in the future, if you don’t count losing Neal.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
It's certainly a possibility
I’m not going to assume he doesn’t think about things just because I don’t like him.
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Yes it's because I don't like Sabean
Nothing to do with the fact that he has shown a clear preference for veterans over the years and a quick trigger for short term fixes over long term building or that he hasn’t been able to develop a position prospect during his tenure until Buster Posey.
It’s because I don’t like him that I think like that.
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Pandoval?
Just assuming he doesn’t care about the development of a player is silly. I don’t know how much it weighed into his thought process, but I think it’s ridiculous to assume he just ignored it because VETERAN HRUMPH HRUMPH
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um, that’s pretty much what he does.
they had a top 15 prospect in Belt, so they resigned a veteran and messed up his development horribly.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
and then Bengie? that story he tells about how his plan was to trade Bengie all along is bullshit.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
messed up Belt's development horribly?
in what world? Belt had like 100 PA in AAA before the season started, remember? There is no way you just count on him to be your 1B right out the gate.
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I think he means he's messed with his development so far.
And what you do is exactly what Kevin Towers did with Goldschmidt.
Sign a Russell Branyan type to a cheap one year deal and then turn over the keys when the prospect is ready.
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Remember the Huff signing was made
under the assumption that if Belt was ready, Huff could play the OF. An assumption I still think holds
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If you think Huff can play the OF you really must be Brian Sabean
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I wouldn't put him in RF
but I think he could be competent if below average in LF. Considering that’s pretty much what he was last year.
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Wow
He barely has the range to play 1b and you think he can play LF? Can’t help you if thats what you believe.
Newsflash: Last year was probably an aberration. Dude can’t play defense.
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He handled it fine just the other day
I’m not saying he’s Nate or anything, but he’s not Adam Dunn either.
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signing a guy to a $22MM contract under an assumption that he can play LF based on 5 games in LF from the previous year isn’t a good one, either.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
except it wasn't 5 games
he played over 1/3 of the season in the OF
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Huff played over 55 games in LF last year?
I do not remember it like that at all.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
easy to look up
he played in the OF in 63 games in 2010
that’s crazy. I don’t remember it like that at all.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
24 starts in LF, 33 in RF
Remember there was about a month where Posey was the everyday first baseman.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
yeah that was June, which I had mentally blocked out due to the collapse they endured that month
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
The first month when Posey was up.
He was an OF while Posey played 1B.
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I think I blocked out June 2010 after the collapse that month.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions
He's played 324 games in the OF
over his career. It isn’t like he’s never played out there before.
He's not as bad as he's looked in the OF this year
and he’s not as good as he looked last year.
I’d say a slightly below average left fielder.
exactly this.
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I love that your argument is that signing
A declining offensively, below average defender and sticking him in the OF is a better move than just signing a stop gap to play 1b until Belt is ready and signing a competent OF
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you DO remember that Aubrey Huff
was really really really good last year, right? If Huff put up his career numbers while playing a below average LF, he’d still be a well above average player overall.
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You DO remember that he's 34 years old?
And that there was no chance he would be as good as last year and a pretty good chance he wouldnt match his career number.
Doubling down on scrap heap signings is rarely a good move.
Your constant Sabean defense is really growing tiring.
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Wasn’t there something in the “news” last year about how Huff took all kinds of extra fielding practice and whatnot cuz he was afraid he’d mess up? Now maybe this year [and people have said he’s out of shapier this season] …maybe this year he didn’t work as hard in the off season?
Maybe he should stick to extra fielding practice
Because extra batting practice isn’t helping his hitting.
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 18, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
"news" last year about how Huff took all kinds of extra fielding practice
2010-33 year old Huff works out and is in shape so that he can prove himself.
2011-34 year old Huff got a ring,got a contract, got lazy.
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Hyperbole much?
And that there was no chance he would be as good as last year
I’m not sure you understand what you just typed there.
The thong is, it happened.
I completely understand what I wrote
Aubrey Huff had the best year of his career last year according to fWAR.
There was no chance at age 34 in the no steroids era that he would meet or exceed the best year of his career.
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unlikely is not the same as no chance
why won’t you concede this?
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Your mom's a girl
Because it's MCC nitpicky bullshit
If something has a 1% chance of happening I feel confident in life saying it has no chance. Is that slight hyperbole, of course!!
But by all means keep nitpicking guys.
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you call it ‘MCC nitpicky bullshit’
I call it actually understanding the numbers, where they come from, their limitations and how to use them.
YMMV.
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Your mom's a girl
You're totally right
I don’t understand numbers when I say something has “no chance.”
It’s nitpicky bullshit that has nothing to do with the broader point.
Watch this I’m going to do it again. Are you ready?
There is no chance Juan Pierre hits 50 homers next year. Nitpick away!
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There was a much greater chance
of Huff repeating a career year than Juan Pierre hitting 50 HR.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Not the point
He’s nitpicking about me saying no chance for something that is highly unlikely.
Both events are highly unlikely.
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not all "highly unlikely"s are created equal
I think you do actually know this.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
If you don't know the difference between "slim" and "no" chance
I’m REALLY glad you’re not my investment advisor
The thong is, it happened.
so's your constant Sabean bashing
I don’t think he’s a great GM, but I think he’s certainly better (and smarter) than a lot of people here give him credit for.
He might not have lived up to his career numbers, but even a .800 OPS would have been gravy. And wouldn’t you know it, ZiPS projected him to have a .815 OPS! If he’d put up that line, guess what? Even with shaky D he’d be worth his contract.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
ZIPs is your favorite crutch.
ZIPs is wrong a whole hell of a lot
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my only gripe is that when Sabean dumpster dives, those players are in the dumpster for a reason, be it inconsistent play, declining numbers, health issues, so on…
so when he has a great find who does well, the last thing you want to do is give them a bunch of money for a few years- remember- they were in the dumpster for a reason.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He was no longer a dumpster dive
It was a two-year deal for a guy with a .815 ZIPs projection who was arguably the biggest position player contributor to a world championship. A two-year deal for a guy who was willing to check his ego and play OF if necessary to defer to Belt was reasonable, IMO
Most fans wanted him back and signing players who deliver a championship is crucial to selling tickets the following year.
The thong is, it happened.
pretty much exactly this.
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I was pretty meh at the idea.
He seems like he’s an all or nothing guy. last 5 years, he’s either been under 1.2 WAR or 4+ WAR
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did you read the article in FG
about seasons being arbitrary endpoints? If you break his years up July-June, he actually looks like a normal player. It’s just a bad distribution of lucky/unlucky seasons
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Or something.
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This is his last 6 years:
.2
1.2
1
4
-1.8
5.8
.-7 (this year)
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I did read that FanGraphs article
Didn’t agree with it.
Too many variables get introduced during an offseason to consider the season an arbitrary endpoint
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well not really "arbitrary"
but grouping the stats like that can obscure things, just like pretty much any grouping.
In other words, Huff’s true talent doesn’t oscilate year to year
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I think it does.
It is WAY too possible for someone to get into and out of shape in the off season.
Just look at Pablo.
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THIS
I didn’t agree with that FanGraphs article one bit.
Huff, like Matt Cain, might just be an outlier. A guy who alternates good and bad seasons for whatever reason.
But to discount all the stuff that happens in an offseason is foolish in my opinion
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Oh boy
We’ve gone off the rails. You think attendance would have been different in any way if we hadn’t signed Aubrey Huff?
LOL LOL LOL. I’m seriously laughing.
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As I recall, the evidence is pretty clear that individual players very rarely affect attendance.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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perhaps not individual players
but fan perception of a team’s willingness to hold on to its contributors certainly does.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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Normally, I'd agree
Which is why I clarified “along with Ross and Burrell” and there’s the special vaveat of the WS win. The town fell in love with the team and those guys in particular were important to a lot fans.
As it is, they’ve sold out every game they’ve played, so they must be doing something right as not all WS champs sell out every game the next season.
The thong is, it happened.
Just look at the Marlins
While there are certainly other factors contributing to their poor attendance, fans believing they’re not willing to hold on to their contributors (and being right) certainly plays a part
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
You just picked the most extreme example
That doesn’t apply at all. They shipped off ALL their star players and play in a terrible stadium.
If we played in Candlestick, won a championship then traded Lincecum, Posey, Cain, and Wilson I agree with you attendance would have slipped. But Huff, Burrell, and Ross? Give me a fucking break
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Why don't Uribe and Renteria apply to your theory?
Would our attendance be even better if we signed those guys too?
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Rent wasn't very good
Uribe falls in the same broad category of the players above, but they did make an effort to re-sign him, and a pretty visible one at that
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Or something.
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HE WAS THE WORLD SERIES MVP
/casual faned
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Uribe would have been an even bigger overpay/mistake than you're claiming Huff was
The thong is, it happened.
That's not the point
You are claiming that attendance depends on signing core guys from a championship. I can’t think of any more core guys than the WS MVP and the guy who hit the HR that sent us to the WS.
We could have let Huff, Ross, Burrell, Rent, Uribe, Ramirez, mota, and Lopez all walk. And if the team still won attendance wouldve been exactly the same.
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this will likely get lost at the margins
it’s an overpay, but that is quite literally the best thing, and worst thing about the one-year cheapie deal they had him on, and all one year contracts for that matter.
Good news: won the WS. Bad news? Performed well, gotta pay him.
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by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope
I doubt Sabean even knows what Zips is, but there are plenty of people in the industry who saw this coming and would not have given Huff this contract.
That is the point.
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there are plenty of people in the industry who saw this coming and would not have given Huff this contract.
And there are plenty more who would have. What’s your point? Some people said Huff may not be good this year therefore Sabean is an idiot? Sorry if I don’t agree to that.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
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No there actually werent
From the all the reports it was only the Dodgers and Giants in on Huff for the money he was looking for.
Funny how that works. Two terrible GMs looking to overpay a veteran
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"from all the reports"
This is just as bad as “we could have gotten more for Wheeler/Alderson”.
Maybe, but you don’t know and pretending you do is silly.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
You made this statement in regard to people in the industry who would have given Huff the deal
And there are plenty more who would have
At least I have reports. You have nothing to back up your claims.
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I would seriously bet you $100 that Sabean knows what ZIPS is
And be very confident I’d win the bet.
How much he values it, uses it, etc. is another matter entirely.
The thong is, it happened.
You guys are capitalizing the wrong letter in ZiPS
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zIps
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Finally some1 is bringing up the important points
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It just looked funny. I’m not even sure which is right.
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Ok
Name one projection system that predicted that he’d have below a .750 OPS.
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Or something.
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Huff is not as bad an outfielder as he appeared to be the beginning of this season.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
yeah
it was just REALLY unlucky batted ball distribution in those games. That would have evened out over the whole season.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
too bad it was all on national TV.
15 days of horrible batted ball luck?
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That kind of thing happens all the time
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
usually with batters though
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
that’s what makes me think it wasn’t just bad luck.
for that many things to go wrong over a few weeks, it’s disconcerting.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
naw it really was
a completely disproportionate amount of balls were falling JUST out of reach. The fact that his range is actually below average certainly contributed to the problem, but there’s no way he would have been THAT bad with a normal ball distribution
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I still have visions of him twisting and turning and falling as he tries to track down a fly ball.
or diving on every single ball in front of him.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
No one is that bad an outfielder. David Ortiz wouldn’t even put up a -100 UZR/150.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Evidence?
messed up his development horribly.
Do you have any facts to support this or do you just prefer to state your opinions as facts and hope people won’t notice?
The thong is, it happened.
they have messed up his development horribly this year, fact.
you know the whole saga. he is usually only called up to give Huff a 3-day break, then is benched, and eventually sat down. not one time did he ever get a real chance with a couple hundred ABs.
he could have spent the whole year in AAA working on cutting down on K’s, not being a Yo-Yo whenever the team needed to rest Huff for 3 days.
so yeah, fact. Look at what Atlanta did with Freeman. they developed him perfectly, by giving him a chance to work through his struggles. Bochy isn’t even letting Belt face LHP- the previous 4 games he’s played, consecutively, are the most he’s gotten since April.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So every time Belt makes an out for the rest of his career, I should blame Sabean?
And when Belt does something good, it’s a triumph over the menacing ways of the dark lord sith?
Don’t you think waiting to see how Belt pans out before deciding if his development is messed up has any merit at all? Maybe they did, maybe they didn’t, but stating “fact” with no evidence to support it doesn’t make for very credible debate.
The thong is, it happened.
Let’s just say that when there is obviously no plan for a prospect, it has messed up his development.
For the sake of argument here, imagine Belt hits .280/.380/.450 next season. I could say he might have hit even better had they not jerked him around all last season. Now, I wouldn’t be able to prove that is true, but you wouldn’t be able to prove it isn’t true. What this is called is probable cause. and there is plenty of probable cause to suggest he has not been handled correctly.
hell, it took Nate 3 years to get consistent playing time- do you really think they have any idea what they are doing? there was never any plan for Nate, never any plan for Pablo, never any plan for Buster, never any plan for Belt…
they don’t have a plan for young players. they use them to relieve old vets here and there, and if they don’t produce, they’re gone.
Jesus Guzman got all of 20 ABs before he was gone.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, so you’re saying that if they “had a plan” for Nate, he would have played as much as Posey & Panda and been as good?
The jury is out on Belt. He’ll either rise above thie idiocy like Posey did, or be kind of good to average like Nate, or fall off a cliff. Probably very little of the outcome is really due to how much he played this year.
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
I’m saying if they had a plan for Nate, we would have had an idea what he had in him before 2011. He should have been playing RF everyday a long time ago, but they gave the position to old known quantities, neglecting to find the the value of their young players- and this is a team that expected to contend very soon.
It’s not so much about how much Belt played, but where. I just don’t believe that yo-yo’ing a prospect is a good way to handle him, and you’d be hard-pressed to find someone who does.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s necessarily good for them, but neither do I think that it really messes them up, or it shouldn’t anyway. Part of being in a big pond is learning that you’re not as big a fish anymore, and how to deal with that.
That said, I agree with their stupidity in valuing declining players over those on the way up. It seems bass ackwards to me.
Get well soon, most of the Giants roster!
I will absolutely agree that they stuck with Winn far longer than there was any reason to
The thong is, it happened.
I’ve always thought “if there isn’t a plan for one, there isn’t a plan for any”.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
At least you're acknowledging a difference beween "probable cause" and "fact"
Without being in every meeting the team has about a player, it’s not fair to say there’s no plan. “I don’t see any evidence of a plan” is more fair and at least acknowledes that we don’t know what’s going on behind close doors and how circumstances affect plans.
For all your hemming and hawing about there being no plan for Belt, I think it’s a very reasonable to think that perhaps “the plan” was to start the year year in AAA and get more MiLB PAs, but it all got screwed up with Ross’ injury. The circumstantial evidence is that when Huff signed the two year deal during the off-season, he talked about playing 1B, then eventually moving to the OF when Huff was ready.
If memory serves, the talk about not wanting to yo-yo Belt up and down was prior to Ross’ injury. That along with Huff’s poor play, hurt back and Belt’s injury could have caused “the plan” to go off-track and resulted in yo-yoing they were trying to avoid.
They might admit that things haven’t gone they way they planned with Belt’s development, but they’d probably also tell you that all the injuries have thrown a lot of plans out the window.
The thong is, it happened.
yes, I agree with most of that. The only part that I don’t is the injuries part.
Yes, injuries force your hand at times, but they repeatedly said they would only call up Belt when he was to play everyday. If you need help because of someone going on the 15-day DL, that’s great, call him up and play him every day for 2 weeks, give him a tiny chance. But Huff didn’t go on the DL either time they called him up- it was only so Huff could rest his back for 3 days, in which case someone else should have played 1B for a few days.
Point is, injuries should only throw off a timetable if it is to make the player a starter, not an “insurance plan” for a bench bat like they have been using him.
but, yknow, there is nothing we can do about it now, other than hope he’ll be in the lineup tomorrow.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
But didn't each of Belt's promotions...
…including his making the team out of ST, happen when someone got hurt?
With both Huff and Belt being 1B/OFs, I don’t think it had to be Huff that got hurt for Belt to be moved one way or another.
The thong is, it happened.
each and every one of his promotions occurred when someone got hurt, yes- and you’re right, it didn’t have to be Huff either.
what does that tell you about the organizations plans? they never planned to have a position available for him this season and see him only as a backup option if someone is injured.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Which would fit right in with my theory above
…that the plan was for him to be in AAA this year. I would guess that they thought if he played really well and forced his way onto the big league team, it would be a Burrell’s expense. (Huff moving to LF, PtB getting waived.)
The thong is, it happened.
He did get a broken wrist.
Sometimes I think folks forget about this.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
at the time of his broken wrist, he had been called up to “motivate Huff” and give him a few days off.
Not called up because he was going to play everyday- just to give Huff a short break.
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabes called him up to break his wrist and further mess up his development!
The thong is, it happened.
and Bochy told the pitcher to break his wrist so he wouldn’t have to explain why he was being sent back down 3 days later!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Pablo became a regular the year before Posey. Doesn't really change my point in the slightest
He’s been an abject failure at developing positon players during his tenure. There really isn’t much argument there.
My point was that my thought process is based on not liking Sabean it’s based on years and years of veteran love. The first thing he said when he talked about Cabrera was his “experience” for gods sake.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Talking in absolutes like you do makes it very easy to poke holes in your arguments
that he hasn’t been able to develop a position prospect during his tenure until Buster Posey.
You get proven wrong and then change your argument.
The thong is, it happened.
We have no way of knowing what Sabean thought of Neal.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
well true
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
and?
I didn’t say “this is what he thought of Neal” I said “this kinda makes sense IF he thought these things”
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Was just making a point that we could never be sure. That would be a good rationale if he did think that, but we will most likely never know.
Although Sabes might be the kind of guy to let slip he never thought Neal would amount to anything.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
obviously not much
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by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
I was working on a fanpost on this, but given that there was no insurance for Beltran (i.e. no comp draft picks), I think it was a really dumb trade. The reason I say that has nothing to do with his production, but entirely to do with his risk of injury. If you look at all the projections for him for the season, he was projected to have between 363 (Marcel) and 550 (Fans) PA this season. The average was about 400. If you look at his PA over his career and regress those, the line looks to predict that he would have about 400-450PA. At the time of the trade, he had 419 for the Mets. So best case, you get about 80-85 PA and worst case you get about 30. I know he had looked healthy all season, but the fact is that there is a reason he has not had more than 400 PA in 3 years (until this year). And on top of it, he is now even older. Just saying…. 
by capn on Aug 18, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well this graph is silly
and is a prime example of how regression like this absolutely should not be used.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
the graph shows a clear linear progression where none exists
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I don’t pretend to know what the fuck I am doing. I was merely trying to illustrate the point that he had not played a full season in 3 years and that the people who do know what the fuck they are doing seemed to agree that given his age and injury history, he would probably not have more than 500PAs.
I don’t pretend to know what the fuck I am doing.
That’s exactly what you just did.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
I was really just trying to make the argument that I thought it was a dumb trade because I did not think Carlos Beltran was likely to stay healthy. His recent track record and his age are how I came to that conclusion, but I thought it would be fun to try to generate some discussion around whether or not you could make such a prediction in a more quantifiable way.
Saying that Beltran
in unlikely to stay healthy for the rest of the post-trade season is more of a hunch than a statistical reality, right?
by San Francisco Slim on Aug 18, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a pretty good example of the Gambler's fallacy
Just because he was projected to have 300-500 PA doesn’t mean he won’t have 600. And if he’s already had 400 23 of the way through the season, it’s more likely he’ll have 500+ than under 500
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Let's put it this way
The error bars on the slope of that line would include zero. So the regression literally doesn’t show anything.
The point that he hadn’t had an injury-free season since 2008 is still valid, though. Not necessarily persuasive, but valid.
Holy god this is so unbelievably wrong
If you look at all the projections for him for the season, he was projected to have between 363 (Marcel) and 550 (Fans) PA this season. The average was about 400. If you look at his PA over his career and regress those, the line looks to predict that he would have about 400-450PA. At the time of the trade, he had 419 for the Mets. So best case, you get about 80-85 PA and worst case you get about 30.
Back away from the math.
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
If you were were trying to predict the number of PA he would have had in 2011 before the season, how would you have done it?
Coming into this season, Ellsbury was projected to hit ~6 HR's by the various systems
He’s hit 22 so far. Would you expect him then to hit 0 from here on out?
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
/Boston still scores 5 runs a game
/Bochy scratches head
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"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
300-500 WAS a reasonable prediction
before the season started. When we traded for him, the season was 2/3 of the way over.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
perhaps slightly less
but only slightly. To say he’s MORE likely to be injured in the rest of the season is engaging in the Gambler’s Fallacy
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Yup
This is pretty much textbook Gambler’s Fallacy.
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I would think that the liklihood of an injury would increase with the total number of PAs, not decrease. Injury risk is not exactly like flipping a coin. The odds of the event happening do change as the player gets older and as the exposure to risk increases.
not once the risk has already passed
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
It seems like the proper model here would be actuarial. I do recall hearing that extremely old cars or people do have a lower risk of dying (that once you live to a certain age, you have demonstrated extreme longevity). However, I would think that the opposite is true too. I.e. that baseball players with demonstrated injury risk would have an increased risk of subsequent injury (or death).
Sort of like the injury nexus for pitchers
But the thing is, Beltran’s injury was completely unrelated to his past injuries. How would you predict that?
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well that doesn't make any sense
the fact that I’ve torn my ACL makes me more susceptible to future knee injury, but has no impact on the risk of me injuring my elbow or wrist.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Unless the underlying condition is that you have less than robust connective tissue.
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Jelligaments!
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by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Jelligaments!
That word needed to be bolded and posted again.
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exactly. from an actuarial basis, you are defective. Maybe you have a genetic mutation that renders your ligaments susceptible to rupture. I think Mark DeRosa shares your defect.
What do you think the chances are that a knee injury implies this?
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i don’t know. i was obviously kidding, but i would also not be surpised if there is not a genetic component to injury risk.
There no doubt is
I’m pretty sure we have no clue how to quantify it though.
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This seems like the right model (The Bathtub curve)
It is not a coin flip, so I do not think the gambler’s fallacy is relevant.
this reminds me a lot of the laffer curve
in that it’s something that looks good on paper, but the weighting of those lines seems arbitrary.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
You would know better than I, but I am sure the people selling those service contracts have a pretty good idea what they are doing. The health insurance actuaries sure do. We interviewed an actuary this year here for a job. It was an incredibly interesting conversation. Their models are ridiculously simple.
I'm sure they do
the stuff they do is scary.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
all sorts of things look arbitrary from the outside
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"arbitrary" is kind of wrong
I don’t mean the model has no merit, it’s just that it probably doesn’t look like this in the case of player injury over the course of a baseball season.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Is there any evidence
That players are more likely to get injured in August or September than they are in May or June?
OT: Can someone explain college "boosters"?
If I was sitting around with a few extra million, spending it on booze, travel and hookers for players on my favorite college team would be pretty a low priority. What’s in it for the “booster”? Is it just pure jock sniffing?
The thong is, it happened.
I believe he was working with an agent who would sign the players once they turned pro.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Shapiro was a part time booster, full time Ponzi scheme runner. He ran a nearly billion dollar fund, and swindled more than 80 million dollars from investors.
El Person is right, he was working with an agent for Axxess (sp?) Sports, and would negotiate lump sums with Miami players so they would sign with the agency upon being drafted. They really couldn’t have picked a better school, Miami was a hotbed for NFL talent in the early-mid 2000s. (Ed Reed, Sean Taylor, Frank Gore, Jonathan Vilma, Jeremy Shockey, Willis McGahee and on and on and on).
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Aug 18, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Gore
I’d be bummed if I heard he was getting “hooked” up.
by Drug Runner SF on Aug 18, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Here are the allegations against Gore. The rest of the players are listed in the sidebar.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Aug 18, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You know when your alma mater sends you letters begging for money?
Boosters are the people who respond to those letters, but instead of giving the money to the school, they give it to the football team.
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or indirectly via some lovely ladies
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
that's the Luther Campbell school of boostering
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I’ve worked at two SEC schools, and I don’t know a single thing about what a booster does. I heard the term frequently, but I never knew what exactly it entailed.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
it involves giving charirable donations to your former school
to avoid paying taxes
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
They give money. That's all
The guy in the news was pretty much just a jock sniffer, giving the athletes “bonuses” so they’d hang out with him. Which is very much against regulations, and will land Miami in a giant tub of hot water.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
So you're saying...
The guy in the news was pretty much just a jock sniffer, giving the athletes "bonuses" so they’d hang out with him.
He was college football’s version of Eddie Debartolo?
BOOM! Suck it, Debartolo apologists!
The thong is, it happened.
Gallant gives money to his school to provide equipment, catering, advertising, and lodging for the football team
Goofus gives money, hookers, and drugs to the kids his school wishes to recruit, so that they will be more likely to choose his school over other rival schools that Goofus hates with a fiery passion.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Goofus gives money, hookers, and drugs to the kids
Our Goofus will not be thrilled with this comparision.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
he DOES call himself Goofus.
and anyone who has ever read Highlights knows, he’s asked for it.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I lol'd
In all my years here, that’s the first time someone has done a “Goofus and Gallant” riff
The thong is, it happened.
It's funny to imagine Goofus and Gallant as boosters
because you know Goofus would end up at USC and Gallant would go to Duke.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I hate seeing Duke held up as a shining ethical beacon in the otherwise compromised world of college athletics.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Aug 18, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
UCSC
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Caltech!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Definitely no pay for play scheme there!
by Drug Runner SF on Aug 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Usually the booster has a some business that receives something in return
Either fresh employees, contracts or other forms of money.
For instance the Miami guy was getting paid back by the players signing with his agents when they left school.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
which, again, is highly against regulations
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Correct. Not to mention INCREDIBLY unethical.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
A lot of these boosters also
Just like bragging that their team is better.
I forgot where I read it, but a booster (and sometimes the school) would rather celebrate a tainted championship that is taken away than no championships at all.
Which makes no sense in Miami, because they STILL sucked during this time period.
ZING
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Q for the McCoven:
How badly do you flip out when Sabean says signing Tejada and Cabrera as starting and backup SS for 2012 was academic?
or when he signs them without even saying academic?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
I don't care about anything Sabean says.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Sabean is terrific at lying to the media.
It’s best to not listen to anything he says.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I’m talking about the future. When he inevitably signs them for 2012?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In all of what has happened this year
I think they have shown they might be ready to hand Crawford the starting gig next year. They should have a healthier offense next year.
Either that or they go after Rollins. I don’t think Tejada or Cabrera are back in SF next year.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I wish
but that may be a lot of money.
Especially since I think Sabes is gonna pull a “save face by giving Beltran a shit ton of money to keep playing here” if he is indefinitely injured.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I'm in the "Nate in RF and spend the money elsewhere" camp
It’s a great camp to be in…where roasting weenies tonight!
The thong is, it happened.
reyes reyes reyes reyes reyes reyes
by Lies and Perfidy on Aug 18, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
One of my favorite camps.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I would like to join this camp
If they are going to take a gamble on an oft injured player, I would prefer it to be a position of need.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
We can help
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Always glad to have a scout in the camp...rub some sticks together and build a fire
The thong is, it happened.
as much as I would LOVE to believe they are willing to hand Crawford the starting job, they didn’t even hand a real starting job to a Top 15 prospect.
No, Sabean will sign some old veteran for 2012 and say it’s “only for a year”
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Sabean covets Rollins and is going to pay out the nose for him.
by haroldandsivakumar on Aug 18, 2011 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the chances of that are between 0 and 1 percent
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
What is the future tense of “rosterbate?”
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
It's more like getting out the lube and tissue
“I’m now properly prepared for the outrage.”
The thong is, it happened.
2012?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Aztecs ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
We could make a case that lying to the media helps Sabe get better deals from other teams
Dang, I hate myself for defending Sabean.
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
but could we case that Sabean is smart enough to do that?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I'm very surprised Nate wasn't dropped for Rowand vs a LHP
I wouldn’t, but Bork logic and all
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
Rowand is in there already.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Ah, "this game"
I was at “this game” in LA….I miss that.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Aug 18, 2011 1:34 PM PDT reply actions
I DON’T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m listening to ATC, and my substitute didn’t do a local newscast. What is going on around here?!
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
it's vacation
let it go, sir. Don’t be like Kuiper or someone, calling into a KNBR program on your day off.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I e-mailed my boss about it, and his response?
TURN OFF YOUR RADIO! YOU’RE ON VACATION.
Not kidding. That’s a direct quote.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Suggested reply
YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF WHAT I TURN ON AND OFF!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Nah. He’s right. I’m trying to work on a vacation day. I even talked about filing newscast material from SF, but that idea died pretty quickly.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
it's vacation
although I have sympathy for the newsman ethic. I suppose Aaron Brown went a wee bit too far in the other direction.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember lineups vs. RHP that had Rowand, Tejada, Burriss, Stewart in the lineup.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
This one from June 12th doesn't look so good.
Andres Torres CF
Miguel Tejada 3B
Nate Schierholtz RF
Aubrey Huff 1B
Cody Ross LF
Brandon Crawford SS
Emmanuel Burriss 2B
Chris Stewart C
Jonathan Sanchez P
btw, the Giants won this game.
WWRWD?
This one was pretty terrible with one notable exception: Rowand, Tejada, Fontenot, Posey, Huff, Schierholtz, Ross, Burriss
Another awful one: Burriss, Tejada, Huff, Ross, Schierholtz, Rowand, Crawford, Whiteside
And then there was the interleague game with Bill Hall as the DH: Rowand, Burriss, Sandoval, Huff, Ross, Schierholtz, Crawford, Hall, Stewart.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
wow, who saw the Franchise last night?
I’m just watching it right now; I never thought Wilson would tell that story. Especially not on national tv, either.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
what story
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
he really opened up, that is shocking
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
and yeah, that story.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a really good episode. delves into Timmeh but the Wilson part is just heavy. Hearing his dad’s dying words and wishes is not something I expected.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
while it was a powerful segment, it’s not shocking. People talk about stuff.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
i was shocked to hear Wilson tell the story in the detail he did.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Why? He wa’s being interviewed about that subject.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
multimillionaires are big on privacy.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
What gives you the impression Brian Wilson values privacy?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. Always seemed more into piracy than privacy.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
idiotic comments
Most of the comments made here are idiotic, obviously, and made in an effort to be clever. There’s way to much trash to scroll through to get to the occasional comments about baseball. Can’t we have a separate comment section for those of us interested in the Giants?
by danielb333 on Aug 18, 2011 1:53 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
well, you can go DIAF
is someone forcing you to look here?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
I come pretty much to read those idiotic comments you speak of
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Aug 18, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Aug 18, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I BOW TO YOUR TOWERING INTELLECT
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Yes, you can’t.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
hey bgunn
Glenfarclas 12 & Glenmorangie 10
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Too late to have for breakfast, but both nice bottles.
The Glenfarclas 12 is Speyside reigon, very light smoke, so it won’t overpower. Most would describe it as very smooth.
The Glenmorangie 10 is a little more oak-y and smoke-y. Probably a little “hotter” taste. A few drams of room temp water will tame it.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
thanks, man! both bottles (unopened) are probably 15 years old—does that matter?
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Nope, unless they were next to a heater, or in the direct sun constantly. They dont age (or spoil) like wine does. A 12-year old remains a 12-year old (much like posters around here).
Enjoy. Get back to us with your impressions.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
This is amusing. Keep going, please.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
haaha
worth waiting 24 hours for!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
danielb333
joined Jun 20, 2011
Must be somebody’s sock puppet. Cuz’ who else would join a site and then post a comment that indicates he clearly doesn’t even know what the site is about or how it operates?
who isn't here right now?
they are the witch. burn them
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
I think its Merope, actually. She is trying to draw attention off herself by pretending to “discover” this information.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
pffft… yeah like I have time for that. I’m just playing with you nerbs whilst I’m working on a cover letter for a job. I hate writing cover letters. Makes me feel like Martin Prince “Pick me!!!!! Pick me, teacher, potential employer I’m ever so smart!!”
Blah blah intrigued blah blah good addition blah blah growth blah blah thank you blah best regards.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Aside from typos to fix I just need the final paragraph… PICK ME!!! PICK ME!!!
So, I haven’t job hunted in over 15 years, what’s the deal with job applications? Two places I applied to haven’t responded in anyway and it’s been almost 2 weeks. They don’t send out “thanks, but no thanks” emails/letters anymore?
In short, no.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
There must be an HR person on this board who can give their rational irrational reason for why this is.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I'm married to one
one, that way they don’t have to make a decision. They might want to go back down the list once they work through the top candidates they look at.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
She have an explanation for cover letters?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
like, why do they exist?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
For example.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
It’s just another way to narrow down the applicants. Gives a bit of a face and personality to the CV.
That said, in my experience, you can’t get a job with a cover letter, but you can certainly lose one.
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 18, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
My last job, I wrote a cover letter that was a sentence long. I was pretty sick of them at that point.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I like it.
I wrote a 5-page paper in college without formatting or punctuation.
It was my semi-childish response to a note on a previous paper that we should be using the classic five paragraph format.
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 18, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
CYA?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Little known fact:
Many HR reps have spent time in the California Youth Authority.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
It's a great weeder.
I know some of our hiring managers ding people if there are typos or grammar errors in the cover letter.
No.
we have preformatted letters the hiring manager can use in our hiring management software, but most of our hiring managers don’t always care to do that.
Second, where I am (academia!) it could sometimes take FOREVER for a hiring manager to get around to making a decision.
We usually do thanks/no thanks if we actually bring you in. There are just too many applicants.
HAHAHAHA
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey Daniel!
What did you have for lunch?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see the red tail lights heading for Spain
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
...you are older than me
Do you still feel the pain of the scars that won’t heal
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Idiotic Comment
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I’ll rub you off for a nickle.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’ll rub you on for a dime.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Alex, meet Alex
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
YEAH, FUCK THESE GUYS
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
“Hey guys, this is my only comment and I joined less than a month ago. but you should really change the establish identity and dynamic of this online community to suit me.”
Note: There are any number other baseball and Giants related blogs/message boards/sites out there. Feel free to find the one that works for you.
by BestHyperboleEver on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Welcome, sir.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
he’s gonna fit right in, isn’t he?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You spelled "too" wrong
Or was that mistake made in an effort to be clever?
The thong is, it happened.
Finish the sentence guys:
When I see / hear the Braves chant tonight I will….
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I hate that racist chop. I mean, wow. It’s 2011 already. New times call for new measures.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Wonder why, in this day and age, the audio stream can’t be “fixed” so that we don’t have to hear it…
And I will make up nasty words to go along with it.
We are big fat turds
Our cheers have no words
etc….
didn’t they try to do something similar with the vuvuzelas?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
To be honest, I would rather listen to vuvuzelas than watch soccer.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
turn up the volume on Counting Crows
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
...laugh, because
I know it won’t last long, with Timmeh shutting the Braves down.
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
It's amazing how angry it makes me.
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
gnash teeth
clench fists
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Keep watching the game and not care about the fans
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
OK Timmy we need that no-hitter tonight..
Follow me on Twitter @MTLJosh
by Montreal Giants Fan on Aug 18, 2011 2:01 PM PDT reply actions
/groundball to SS, Tejada throws ball into Cabreras head.
/groundball to 2B, Cabrera throws ball into Tejadas head.
Timmeh sighed. It was gonna be one of those nights, he presumed.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
as though they’ll field the ball.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’m seriously dreading Tejada “playing” SS tonight. It’s to the point where the pitchers probably look at it and think WTF? as well.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Lincecume always does!
WIN
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I love how this jumps around tenses
and the use of the words “he presumed”
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
FUCK YEAH
Quantum Leap stream is available on Netflix.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
so, who's Cy Young this year?
Kershaw just won again
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
A zombie.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Halladay. Not close.
Kershaw will be 2nd tho.
My guess:
1. Halladay
2. Kershaw
3. Hamels or Lee
4. Timmy
5. The other Philly
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
It would be nice if the CYA voters could read Grant’s post from last night on Matt Cain’s run support this season and think about getting him some Top 10 votes.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Cain's xFIP's too high for the voters
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
by D4P on Aug 18, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm sure he'll sneak into the top 10 at the bottom end.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Cain should get a Cy Young in the same way Al Pacino won for Scent of a Woman or Scorcese for “The Depahted,” for final recognition of a lifetime of awesomeness
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 18, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
So you’re saying Cain will win a Cy Young the year he’s 8-17 with a 5.32 ERA?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
with an ERA like that
He would probably be 0-27.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
or like how Bullock won the Oscar for The Blind Side?
not because she deserved it, but because she made a career out of acting in movies that would never win major awards?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
**Ding, Ding**
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
What about Ian Kennedy and all those WINZ
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Heh
I found a gift card for Best Buy from when I graduated from high school a few years ago. This is my form of income these days. What to buy…
That is cray-z.
I think CSN finally jumped the shark with this one...
CSNGiantsSFG Updates from CSN
If you could have one Braves player play for the SF, who would it be? A. McCann B. Uggla C. Kimbrel D. Chipper E. Hudson F Bourn
Right now?
McCann.
In general?
Heyward.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Heyward is always on the DL, and isn’t hitting too much. That said, I’d still pick him too.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
he is having a down year and is injured, but he’s a total monster.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
kinda makes you wonder, though. sophomore slump, or something bigger?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d get him for TL2, but I’m a lousy GM.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
have you ever met him at a game?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL CHIPPER AND HUDSON OVER HEYWARD
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Gift cards make no sense
“I’m going to give you money to spend, but I’m going to force you to spend it at one store instead of allowing you the freedom to spend in such a way as to maximize utility.”
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Most people seem to think it shows that you spent the time to buy them a gift.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
It's a compromise
Giving gifts is perceived as better than the straight cash value of the same item. Why? Because it is an indicator of the relationship you hold and the knowledge you have of that person. By giving them something you know they will like, you have not merely given them something of monetary value, but rather informed them that you care enough to know what they value.
After blowing tons of money on crappy gifts for people we don’t actually know well, we realized its easier to say, “Hey, I think you’ll like this store” with a gift card than to just give up entirely and risk offense with straight cash.
It was easier when “what to give” boiled down to a choice between food, gold, and women.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
What do you want, Bronn?
Gold? Women? Golden women?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Plus
The sentiment lasts a little longer.
If you give me a shirt, I might think of you every time I wear it
If you give me a gift card, I’ll think of you as I shop for the shirt and perhaps the first time I wear it
If you give me cash, I’ll think of you as I’m paying the hooker…and maybe when I’m in the doctor’s office…but that’s it
The thong is, it happened.
Gift cards are BS presents
unless it is like a cousin or something or someone with limited mobility. I’d rather you just wish me a happy birthday and not get me anything than a plastic card symbolizing how little you know me.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m totally into gift cards, especially either iTunes or Amazon. This way the person makes sure to get what they want and saves you the time of looking around for something you THINK they would want but really have no idea if they did. It’s not quite as special but it gets everyone what I want. Would I rather have somebody buy me “the Help” because they think I’d like it or give me a gift card so I could buy the last GoT book PLUS a Stones disc. It’s a win-win
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Aug 18, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
We do a lot of gift cards around here. My mom likes to paint and do artsy fartsy stuff so we always get her a gift card to Utrecht or Michael’s … then she can get what she needs. She also always does all the holiday meals and won’t let us bring anything…sometimes maybe the drinks…. so for Thanksgiving we get her Whole Foods and Safeway giftcards.
Now if I got her a gift card to like Sportsmart or something…. that’d be stupid.
That's pretty fair
art stuff is a tad different than someone who knows you pretty well getting you a gift card to blockbuster.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Apples ?
iPads and the like :-)
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
quaaludes
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess it would depend on the teacher. I always preferred gift cards to knick knacks and bubble baths. I worked with low income families so the best was when some mommy got people organized and each family chipped in $1 or $2 and then I’d get a nice $25-$50 gift card to Target or something. I’d always buy something for the house to remember the class by and then stuff for the classroom.
And I loved to get handwritten notes from parents. I didn’t save all the Dollar Store junk I received over the years, but I kept all the notes.
I'd rather get a gift card
(especially Amazon or Visa) than a blouse I wouldn’t be caught dead in from some gacky store 3000 miles away that doesn’t have a location here. Amazon offers such a wide variety of stuff these days that “Ammys” are almost my preferred currency.
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
All the arguments happening on this thread make me laugh at the the folks who think we agree with each other all the time on everything
FOR THE SWARM!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:25 PM PDT reply actions
SHUT UP UR WRONG
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Well we don’t have grougthink anymore.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Commenter 1: "I think Cabrera is the worst player on the team."
Commenter 2: "No way, dude. Tejada is by far the worst."
Commenter 1: "You sombitch! I cut you, ho!"
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
U DED DAWG
/texts picture of a gun
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Its because jponry isn’t here. This place goes to pot without her to provide our consensus.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Timmy ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
pot?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
he meant poot
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
snooty
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that not a saying where you are?
Maybe I should’ve said ‘goes to seed’ to better fit my..um…more agricultural setting.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
It’s like what happens when you mention the word chocolate around my kids… does not matter what we were talking about- the conversation shifts to chocolate
well, conversations never ever shift around here
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
WE JUST REPORT WHAT IS HAPPENING YOU IDIOT
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
STENOGRAPHERS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
MR. LARS, CAN YOU READ THAT BACK TO ME?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I Agree with Lars!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
when I first saw 'javieritis'
My first thought was, “But Stan Javier wasn’t a rental player!”
I’m getting old.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
LOL..that my my first thought as well.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
So Victorino decides to start serving his suspension tonight
when they’re playing the D-backs. Damn you, Shane.
Ugh I figured that would happen
What a douche.
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
by hautecouture on Aug 18, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s kinda like the ultimate “fuck you” to the Giants.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Aug 18, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
he could have decided to start it at the start of the series
count your blessings
I would like to suggest the possibility that this individual might seriously consider the possibility of fornicating with himself.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
they are defered if you would like to have appeal to the commish.
drop the appeal before it happens, and you start serving then.
so, you can partially delay it. very common, actually.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
it is pretty rare that they actual go to appeal, but very common that they say they are appealing to shift those dates.
IIRC, there was some grumbling about how that meant that suspensions were more likely to be served against NY teams, after losing appeals. I think they have changed that a little.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
haha, I just said that too.
Rule 5 draft pick, too. off the Dodgers
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
JOSE LOPEZ!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
so he didn’t appeal it, and instead decided to start serving it tonight? oh well.
that dude is having a crazy good year, too. OPS of .926 I think?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Providing further evidence that you can be unspeakably ugly and still be a good baseball player.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
already proven
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
J.Sanchez will throw off flat ground. Bochy optimistic he’ll be OK to start Sunday. Runzler is backup plan.
Adopted Father of Marc Kroon. He better make the roster.
Please be healthy please be healthy please be healthy
"They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run." ~ Gaylord Perry
I still love the irony of Sanchez and Zito both getting injuries that make walking difficult. It’s fucking delicious.
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Aug 18, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 13 recs
Hahaha
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
by hautecouture on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHA
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
This should be green people
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
its…its… its almost like god is trying to tell them something!!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
fantastic
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
oh my god...
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Raganarok has arrived.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
or Ragnarok
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
or Ragnaros
The first six innings are overrated.
Better than Reggaenarok
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
MLB now has suspended its first player for a positive HGH test
And it’s…Mike Jacobs.
He’s almost as bad a player as the first guy suspended for a steroids test (trivia time!), so I guess it’s appropriate.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Wow.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Well! I do not know what to say…
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That Chinese player was laying a beat down on one of the Georgetown guys
Adopted Father of Marc Kroon. He better make the roster.
Yeah that is not a flattering shot…
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Aug 18, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I went a bit O_O when the Chinese guy came flying in with the chair.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I was disappointed that the police did nothing. But then again, I’m not surprised.
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Aug 18, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
legally, that can still be assault, though it’s usually not enforced at all.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no idea what the laws in China state.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
it's a paddlin'
I assume in that very interesting room on the first floor of the police station that looks like a dance studio.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I doubt they would prosecute their own, and politically they’ll leave Georgetown too
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Aug 18, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
their own (in this situation)
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Aug 18, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
great writer about contemporary China
Peter Hessler. has 3 books. All real good.
And this video is upsetting to me. You would think if they were mad at foreign players they could do something besides descend on them while an arena full of supporters looks on
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Aug 18, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
From Columbia, Missouri! I went to high school with him.
by non sequitur on Aug 18, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Our Sell sword in chief Beltran
Is in Puerto Rico rt now and not with his team? Is that where he is getting his medical care?
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
by kb2011sfg on Aug 18, 2011 2:48 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I thought I saw him chatting in the dugout with Sanchez a couple days ago?
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Torres is the guy supposedly in PR, I hadn’t heard that about Beltran.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course we are
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I see
he’s a Sorority Rush Monitor with Burrell at UNC/Duke!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit, from Sam Miller's BP chat
ssimon (Pelham, NY): Best clubhouse story you couldn’t tell until today?
Sam Miller: I don’t really have any good clubhouse stories, partly because the Angels’ clubhouse is quite dull and partly because I’m not around the clubhouse more than a couple times a homestand. So I’m going to reprint the greatest clubhouse story ever, from Matt McCarthy’s book “Odd Man Out,” about his year with the Angels’ short-season team. (The book may or may not be true, for what it’s worth.)
“An Angels employee briefly interrupted the revelry to bring us fifth leftover hot dogs from the concession stand’s Weenie Wednesday promotion.
“I took my hot dog over to my locker and began to undress. That was when things got interesting. When I turned around, I saw the dark, naked bodies of two young Dominicans hovering around the hot dogs. Erick Aybar and Alberto Callaspo … were inseparable and spoke no English — the most one of them had ever said to me was “Why-ya-ya-ya-ya-yeah!” after I’d pitched a scoreless inning the week before.
“Gradually, more of my teammates turned to watch as Aybar’s and Callaspo’s naked bodies circled the food. We all knew they were up to something no good. Two naked heterosexual teenagers don’t stand that close together for that long next to a box of hot dogs without something happening.
“Suddenly, Callaspo took one of the hot dogs out of its bun and deep-throated it. Then he took the bun and put it around Aybar’s flaccid (etc etc) and poured ketchup on it. Jaws dropped — Aybar was a willing participant. Then Callaspo bent over and pretended to eat the Dominican (etc etc etc) hot dog. When he did that, we all screamed, “Nooooo!”
“Getting the reaction he’d desired, Callaspo turned to a few of us and said, “I no gay. You gay” and burst into a fit of laughter. Callaspo slapped Aybar on the ass and the two laughed all the way to the shower."
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
by marcello on Aug 18, 2011 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I took my hot dog over to my locker and began to undress. That was when things got interesting.
Nothing good can ever come of a story that starts like this.
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Aug 18, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fantastic.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
The “I no gay. You gay” retort is classic.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Pedro Guerrero Steve Sax Golf Tournament story
Don’t read it out loud if your at work.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Aug 18, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL I am telling that story to all my asshole friends.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Talk about “fantasy baseball”!
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Really let the shaft out!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
....alright
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
After he gets done pooping on McCovey Chronicles.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Aug 18, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
He should play "Chicago Chicago, it's my kind of town..."
bravesorganistMatthew Kaminski
#Braves vs. #Giants – How cool would it be if when I play ‘Row, Row, Row your Boat’ for Rowand, people can start a musical ‘round’!
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Try as I might, I cant think of a song about dick wagging off the top of my head, and I’m not going to google that at work.
The first six innings are overrated.
everybody
wang chung tonight!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He should go way over the heads of the Turner Field audience and play Peter Gabriel’s “Digging in the Dirt.”
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Braves Girl: “I can’t tomahawk chop to this. It’s sooo lame.”
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
hahaha
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The developer tasked with building a new elementary school here pulled out of the project. THERE IS NEWS HAPPENING, AND I’M CURSED TO RELAXATION!
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
wait, which here?
are you here or still there?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Board Director: I’ll just go one record as saying that this board has never been in support of the pullout method.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Board Director: We rigidly support stiffer discipline of the student body.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
hi there
I think you need to go to a movie or something, something more mindless than McC. If such exists. Go drink beer with UT scholars of a Thursday evening?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I just woke up from an unplanned nap. That has to count for something, right?
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
NOT if you woke up because you were dreaming the phone was ringing to call you to the airport to jet off to Beirut, clad in a safari shirt like Anderson Cooper.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
That's one dapper phone!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
REPORT: NPR JOURNALIST HOARDS DRESSY PHONES! ARE THESE YOUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK??!?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
“Who needs phones that fancy?” said one GOP pollster, who declined to be identified. “Just more proof public radio is an elitist cadre of liberals. They’re out of touch with Americans.”
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
NPR’s chief West Coast Correspondent Argyle O’Shaughnessy did not return phone calls asking for comment.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
GOP pollster, who declined to be identified. from his Skybox Suite at Nationals Park, "Just more proof public radio is an elitist cadre of liberals. They’re out of touch with Americans."
Fixed
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
This lineup...
I don’t know about this lineup…
Tonight’s #SFGiants lineup: Ross LF, Cabrera 2B, Sandoval 3B, Huff 1B, Tejada SS, Schierholtz RF, Rowand CF, Stewart C, Lincecum P
by ohcleverhansyou on Aug 18, 2011 3:09 PM PDT reply actions
What's not to know?
It sucks.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
FEEL BETTER EVERYONE
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Dr. Andrews didn’t recommend DL for Wilson & Groeschner praised his quick healing ability. Scans showed “typical pitching stuff” in elbow.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
NOW PANIC
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
We are awaiting a Wilson update. While he’s out, Bochy will get the matchups he wants in 7th and 8th and “whoever’s left” will close.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
/Runzler starts warming up for 9th inning action
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
this is actually good
Closer isn’t THAT important most of the time
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Unless is Waldis Joaquin in a 1 run game.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Although I guess he didn't get pulled up.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Fun survey!
Among the Giants position players, who would you most like to see pitch? I take Stewart.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Nate!
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Aug 18, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always amazed by Nate’s throws. From the way it’s released it looks like its gonna get spiked into the ground, like he’s completely coming over the top of it. But then it’s just a bullet with zero arc to it that magically doesnt drop.
The first six innings are overrated.
He’d be uncomfortable throwing from only 60.5 feet away.
by non sequitur on Aug 18, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m buying me a seat for this.
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Aug 18, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate a one pitch guy.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Pablo!
Well, not “like to see”, but I bet he could do it.
Didn’t Belty pitch?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Aug 18, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Ross should have pitched to Howard in the NLCS
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Aug 18, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I want to say Crawford, but I guess Nate.
Wait, you know what? Definitely Torres.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
of course he would
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Mitt waggling ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Hahahaha.
Giants Closer: “Fuck it, who’s left?”
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
WHOEVER'S LEFT?!
Thank the baseball deities Timmy’s pitching tonight…
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
OT - Patti's book to become film
Patti Smith’s book Just Kids, a memoir about her friendship with the great photographer Robert Mapplethorpe, won the 2010 National Book Award for Non-Fiction. And now, Smith is working on a screenplay for the book with Gladiator/Any Given Sunday/Rango screenwriter John Logan, as Deadline reports.
From Pitchfork.com
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
I don't like Pitchfork
that is all
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Aug 18, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Mapplethorpe
That’s the dude who put the bullwhip up his own ass, right?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Just Kids is so far the best book I’ve read this year.
Not a Patti Smith fan; not a big Mapplethorpe fan.
The girl can write. And her perspective is mind-blowing, without drugs.
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Aug 18, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
When I went to go see Michelangelo’s David in Florence, they had a full-on Mapplethorpe exhibition going on, including films of Patti Smith doing modeling for him. Good stuff, once I got over the shock.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 18, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
OT Im completely steam rolling through californication
Im a little over halfway through season 4….kind of “nothing” show, but damn if its not entertaining
Seems there is consideration of ...
possibility that Zach Wheeler (or any prospect) might not “make it.” So that is factored into what a GM is giving up. But on the other end, it doesn’t seem enough of a discount is given to the possibility an established player won’t perform up to his past performance, which over a short period is very possible.
I think Sabean gave up way too much for Beltran, who seems disengaged (not that it really matters) and has prior injury issues. Plus, the team is coming off winning in 2010 – seems okay to ride it out than to give up so much future value.
Yea, 6 years for 2 months
I get that argument.
Not sure if you take into consideration
1. Crowded OF this year
2. Nate solidified himself as 1 spot for next few years
3. Gary Brown is CF of future
4. Money coming off Rowand after next year, money and spot for ugprade at CF or LF
5. Ford makes solid 5th cheap outfielder now as PR and defensive specialist
6. More open spots for more surprises.
7. Basically as a B OF prospect, he has almost nothing extra to give
Sabean went for it. With a crappy offense, he tried to make 3 upgrades. Cabrera is probably the best SS offensively we saw this year, and is better than Tejada fielding. This move is not horrible to me.
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