Did the giants seriously undervalue Jesus Guzman?
I will say that all the injuries that occurred to this giants team, this year, may skew one's view of what has transpired with this teams offense. People were hoping to get a healthy Sandoval back, with a full season of Posey, and a repeat of a 2010 Huff, along with the sparkplugs of Freddie Sanchez, and Andres Torres at the top of the lineup. We also had Mr. Clutch Ross is Boss for a full season, and Brandon Belt waiting in the wings to be the next Posey, and then some. For 2 years we had Jesus Guzman in Fresno, a player whom the the giants always said could hit, but were worried that his fielding made him better suited to be a DH. The Padres picked up Guzman. They had a prospect first baseman in Rizzo, after trading away A-Gon. But Rizzo's struggles has made Brandon Belt look like Ted Williams. In the interim, Guzman has been called up and so far, has been the second most productive hitter in the NL since the allstar break. Sabes decided to keep the left handed hitting Huff who had a nice year in 2010 by awarding him with a two year 22 million dollar contract. All the while he had Belt, and Guzman ready to go. Lets look at the stats of the most productive hitter in the NL post allstar break, Troy Tulo, the second most productive hitter, Jesus Guzman, and Aubrey Huff. Huff has not been that bad since the allstar break but his stats compare unfavorably to Guzman.
AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO AVG OBP SLG OPS
Tulo 100 15 41 13 0 5 23 2 1 13 21 410 470 690 1160
Guzman 78 16 30 8 0 4 25 4 0 6 13 385 429 641 1070
Huff 78 7 24 3 0 3 7 2 1 8 10 308 364 462 826
Of course the sample size is small, but Tulo has been known to have good second halfs. Also if one takes into effect that many of Tulo's games are played in Denver, while half of Guzman's games are played in San Diego, possibly a worse hitters park than SF, Guzman's numbers are impressive. Tulo is a premium fielder, and obviously neither Huff nor Guzman are. Just how bad is Guzman in the field? Let us see how the rest of the year plays out. Since he has been inserted in the lineup, the run production for the Pads has gone up. Huff seems to be keeping the status quo offense with the giants as they are scoring less runs per game than Tiger does the deed each day, and that is after rehab.
The poll should have the word knew instead of new. The poll should have the term paper bag, instead of paper box.
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by bradleybear on Aug 11, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus Guzman is obviously Adrian Gonzalez re-incarnated
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
so in conclusion
Troy Tulowitzki is better than Aubrey Huff?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Aug 11, 2011 9:12 AM PDT reply actions
My favorite option.
Guzman could hit, the giants new it, but because he was going to be 27, he was not cool to be on the roster because he did not do well in his couple of AB’s as a giant
He was not cool to be on the roster is such an awesome sentence. I also like that giant is lowercase
I like that the question was "what should the Giants have done" and that option doesn't let the Giants do anything.
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
The A's gave up on Jesus Guzman because he couldn't play defense
The Giants gave up on Jesus Guzman because he couldn’t play defense
The Padres are playing Jesus Guzman because he’s hella cheap. They’ll eventually give up on Jesus Guzman because he couldn’t play defense
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
But until then
feel free to use him on your Pokemonz in deeper mixed leagues.
The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do.
also
he is not that great offensively, performance in sss be damned
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
No
They did not.
If my life is for rent, and I don't learn to buy, then I deserve nothing more than I get, 'cause nothing I have is truly mine. - Dido Armstrong
The question now, is he more for real than Huff was for real last year?
Could Tony Gwynn’s high career BABIP be due to his ability to hit the
ball “Where they ain’t”. Is BABIP numbers all luck, or is there a certain
skillset in the ability to have and maintain a high BABIP? 388 BABIP is
usually not sustainable today, but tell that to Rodger’s Hornsby or Ted
Williams. Oh yea, for most of us, its not an option to communicate directly
with the dead and expect an answer. So how does one communicate
with the GIANTS’ offense?
but tell that to Rodger’s Hornsby or Ted
Williams.
I can’t. They are both dead.
Ask me about my blog.
TRY HARDER
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Aug 11, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I keep trying
but all I get is comments about what a dick Branch Rickey was.

I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
/actual laughter
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Aug 11, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
What the? Ted Williams had a career .328 BABIP. It wasn’t even as high as .388 when he hit .406.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Aug 12, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions
wow
27 strikeouts, 37 HR
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
the homer thing is misleading in BABIP, because if he hit less homers, and still carried the same batting AVG his BABIP would be higher.
So bonds who hit balls where no man has gone before, like into the Cove, and could not be caught by anyone
playing on this planet loses all those 4 base hits when considering BABIP. Perhaps when a dinger goes longer than 450 feet or falls directly into the cove water, it should have its own transcendant number. Like some baseball Godly number that supercedes BABIP.
by bradleybear on Aug 12, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
BABIP
is a measure of luck. Any BABIP above .330 or so is completely unsustainable (over a career) and above .370 is pretty unsustainable even over a season.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
what is this i dont even
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Isn’t that the point of BABIP? Like Viliphied said, it’s a measure of luck rather than greatness. It’s basically cutting out the best plate appearance (home runs) and worst ones (strikeouts), which is of course going to make both the stupendous and the horrendous hitters look more average. It’s like if a school threw out all A’s and F’s before calculating its students’ GPA’s: everyone would end up bunched within a point of 2.0.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I am not sure
home runs are always a players “best plate appearances”.
Tatooing the ball, and hitting a frozen rope right to the center fielder in the deepest part of the park, to me is more of an impressive display of hitting skill than some of the not-especially-beautiful high fly balls I’ve seen clear the fence.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
actually
yeah BABIP can be influenced by a higher LD% and a hitters skill but a .388 BABIP for a non speedy hitter is just unheard of
i don’t know what you’re trying to say about huff though?
Was Theodore Williams fast? Was the later yeared Tony Gwynn fast? Were Rod Carew or Tony Oliva fast.
Okay, Ty Cobb was very fast. How fast is Adrian Gonzalez?
by bradleybear on Aug 11, 2011 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Ted Williams
never had a .388 BABIP in a full season in his career
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Where's my option?
Sign Lance Berkman to a 1 year deal, planning to call up Belt when he’s ready.
He was uo with the Giants for a long cup of coffee and didn’t hit over .200. Can’t argue with his release.
Can you imagine the uproar over not offering Huff a contract after last year? We could have kept Uribe and traded Freddie for a third rate pitcher cause Vogelsong was never going to come along.
Go Giants
Rodger's Hornsby new!!
Rogers Hornsby just rolled over in his grave when he saw your spelling of his name.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
no. no they did not.
an OPS in the 900s for a 1B in the PCL is not that impressive.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
hopefully Sabean doesn't get rid of Brad Eldred
Eldred is the next Guzman….i think….or maybe not….
90 PA
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Eugenio Velez
had a stretch in 2008 where he put up a .900 OPS over 70 PA. No one would argue that Velez is a good player.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
What?
The point is that in SSS looking like a great player is possible. Velez is a good example of a shitty player who looked good for 70 PA, which is exactly what Guzman is doing.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Seems like as fine a place as any
to reiterate that Jesus hates the Rockies.

SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Mark DeRosa and his "paper box"-trapped wrist got NO love until the (my) 118th vote?
Damn. That’s harsh.
PS: These are my two favorite GIS results for “paper box fap”


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Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Aug 14, 2011 9:39 AM PDT reply actions
It is August 18th tonight, and even though Guzman was out for a few days, he continues to rake.
He had enough RBI by the third inning. to win the game for the giants tonight. Giants lost 1-0 behind LIncecum.
Guzman had 2 RBI by the third inning. Can we summon Marichal out of retirement, he would hold the braves
runless for 16 innings to give his giants a chance to score that one run to get the victory.

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