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minor lines, 7/28/11

Thursday highlights from the Giants' farm: Dan Runzler had 9 K in 5.0 scoreless IP, and Sharlon Schoop homered among three hits.

Star-divide

AAA: Fresno lost to Salt Lake 1-0
(allowing the game's only run in the top of the 9th inning)

Fresno: 3B Conor Gillaspie: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Fresno: CF Tyler Graham: 1 for 1, BB, SB, CS
Salt Lake: LF Paul McAnulty: 3 for 3, HR, BB

Fresno: SP Dan Runzler: 5.0 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 9 K

Gillaspie was the lone Grizzly with two hits.  Graham, who reached base in both of his plate appearances, now has a 50/10 SB/CS line.  McAnulty, who came up with the Padres and is now with the Angels, had three of the Bees' five hits, including his solo HR in the 9th inning.  He also threw out Gillaspie at the plate to preserve the shutout.

Facing just three batters over the minimum and striking out half of his eighteen batters, Runzler had his best appearance of the year--perhaps even sending a message to GMs that he would be a good trade target.  He threw 80 pitches (50 strikes).

AA: Richmond defeated Trenton 8-3
(after trailing 1-0 through five innings)

Richmond: LF Roger Kieschnick: 2 for 5, 2B
Richmond: SS Sharlon Schoop: 3 for 4, HR

Richmond: SP Chuck Loftren: 6.2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 7 K
Trenton: SP Dellin Betances: 5.0+ IP, 7 H, 5 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 3 K

Schoop's bat has come alive since the all-star break.  After scuffling with a .174/.228/.235 line in 115 AB prior to the break, the 24-year-old has hit .340/.400/.532 in 47 AB since.  Kieschnick, who is three months older than Schoop, had his 20th double.

Lofgren has now allowed just 1 R in both of his starts for the Flying Squirrels.  For the year he has a 3.63 ERA in 44.2 IP.  Betances, one of the Yankees' top five prospects, had 5.0 scoreless IP before not retiring any of his six batters in the 6th inning.  He has scuffled since mid-June (when his ERA was just under 2.00) with 4+ ER in five of his seven starts, raising his ERA to 3.43.

A+: San Jose defeated Lancaster 10-3

San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 2 for 4, BB, SB
San Jose: SS Ehire Adrianza: 2 for 3, BB, 2 SB
San Jose: DH Tommy Joseph: 1 for 4, HR, BB, SO
San Jose: 1B Luke Anders: 2 for 4, HR

San Jose: SP Andrew Reichard: 4.1 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 3 BB, 3 K--2 WP

Joseph and Anders had two of the Giants' three big flies.  Batting in the top two spots in the lineup, Brown and Adrianza both reached base three times.  Brown got his 40th SB.

Reichard allowed nearly two baserunners per inning but kept the damage to two runs (one of which scored after he left the game).

A-: Augusta lost to Hickory 5-3

Augusta: CF Chris Lofton: 1 for 3, BB, PO

Augusta: SP Gaspar Santiago: 5.0 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 4 K--1 HR, 1 PO

Lofton was the lone GreenJacket to reach base twice.

Santiago had his second straight with 3 ER in 5.0 IP.  In eleven starts, he has a 3.99 ERA and a K/BB a bit below 2.00.

ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Yakima 4-3

Salem-Keizer: SS Joe Panik: 2 for 3, SF
Salem-Keizer: C Dan Burkhart: 2 for 4, HR

Salem-Keizer: SP Lorenzo Mendoza: 6.0 IP, 7 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 5 K--1 HR

Burkhart and Panik were two of four Volcanoes with two hits each, improving their respective AVGs to .272 and .329.  Burkhart's 4th HR was a two-run, no-out, go-ahead HR in the top of the 9th inning.

Mendoza had a K/BB ratio just shy of a very impressive 8.00 but an ERA above 5.00.

R: Giants defeated Rangers 15-9

Scottsdale: SS Kelby Tomlinson: 3 for 5, 3B, 2B, SO
Scottsdale: 3B Jose Cuevas: 3 for 5, 3B, 2B, E
Scottsdale: C Gabriel Cornier: 1 for 2, HR

Scottsdale: SP Kyle Vazquez: 2.1 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 1 K
Scottsdale: RP Miguel Ferrer: 2.2 IP, 1 H, 4 K--1 HB
Scottsdale: RP Derek Law: 1.0 IP, 2 K

Tomlinson and Cuevas were both a big fly shy of the cycle.  Cornier, playing just his seventh game in the U.S., had his 1st HR stateside and his 2nd pro HR.

Vazquez had another ineffecitve start, although still much better than his previous start (10 ER in 1.0 IP).  Ferrer was effective in long relief and improved his peripheral stats to 11 H, 3 BB, and 20 K in 15.1 IP this year.  Law, the Giants' ninth rounder this year, had 2 K in a perfect 9th inning.

DSL: Giants defeated Marlins 8-1

Dominican: C Fernando Pujadas: 2 for 4, 2B, HBP, GiDP
Dominican: C Jose Reyes: 6.0 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 3 BB, 6 K--1 HB

Batting cleanup, Pujadas (19.6 y.o.) had his 3rd double and a single.  Reyes (20.6 y.o.) has allowed 0 ER in five of his last six starts, helping him to a 1.55 ERA.

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Right. The first comment every day should be a note of thanks to Steve (or his occasional fill ins).

Steve, have you gotten to travel to see any of the teams this year (aside from Fresno and SJ)? Seems like you used to make a trip every season to see some of the further flung farm teams.

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by Roger on Jul 29, 2011 6:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I haven’t travelled to see the Giants minor league teams as often as I used to. For a couple years, I was approaching around 25 games I would see involving the Giants five different minor league affiliates. The last Eastern League games I saw were in 2004. I think the last time I saw Augusta was the 2009 season (and one of the games I saw a victory against Jordan Lyles). The last Salem-Keizer games I saw were in 2008.

It’s partly a matter of evolving priorities. In part, I have a different job now, and I also spend more time at the Cactus League than I used to.

by steve S on Jul 29, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

W00t! Thanks, Steve.

by Dan from NM on Jul 29, 2011 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely – I love me some Minor Lines. Thanks, Steve!

I feel prickishly demanding!

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by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 29, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Here, Here!

/bangs large pewter beer stein on wooden table/

Hitting 74 on the radar gun but hitting my spots.

by VidaWantsYourCar on Jul 29, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kudos, Steve S

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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Burkhart’s 4th HR was a two-run, no-out, go-ahead HR in the top of the 9th inning.

Actually, it was a walk-off HR in the bottom of the 9th. It was a home game for S-K.
 
The 9th must have been pretty exciting and torturous to watch in person. With the Volcanoes down a run the first Yakima batter in the top of the 9th hit a single. The next 2 batters got on base even though they were both trying to give up an out by sacrifice bunting. That left the bases loaded and no outs, but S-K pitcher Rafael Martinez wiggled out of the jam without allowind a run by getting the next 3 batters on a groundoout to 3b (runner thrown out at home), an infield popup, and a fly ball to CF. In the bottom of the 9th the first Volcanoe batter, Kaohi Downing, hits a double and then Burkhart followed with the walk-off HR. That’s quite a shift of fortunes in such a short period of time.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 28, 2011 10:46 PM PDT reply actions  

Hey Rich

Were the fans going crazy in the 9th?

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 28, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

The guy who handles the Volcanoes twitter feed surely was. (unfortunately I’m not good with the whole graphics thing or I’d insert a pic of the tweet they sent out after the walk off here).

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by Roger on Jul 29, 2011 6:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, they were. It was pretty exciting as Downing’s double was high off the wall in deep left center and Burkhart’s shot was a line drive on the next pitch. Team went nuts too, they now are in first place for the second half of the season and could potentially make the playoffs. The players are quite aware of this and excited about it.

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by RichH on Jul 29, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think that’s the first time I’ve seen them use BREAKING NEWS.

by squirrel on Jul 29, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Man I didnt realize that Schoop was still just 24

He seems like a solid org guy since he can play a legit SS and a number of other positions. I wish we had his brother(?) though.

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by Gobroks on Jul 28, 2011 10:47 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

He’s been all over the place. I think I would change ‘legit SS’ to ‘passable SS’.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 28, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

I've never seen him play short...

…but he was great at second for the Netherlands in the WBC a few years ago. Classic all glove, no bat type.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Jul 29, 2011 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

sometimes people suddenly figure out how to hit

like Andres Torres. Or get stronger in the arms, hands, or get new contacts. Schoop is still interesting.

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by foothillsfan on Jul 29, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

A new philosophy in the Caribbean

It appears that there’s going to be a lot of young Caribbean pitchers in the Scottsdale camp next spring. I really like the direction that the Giants have taken down there the past 2.5 years. It seems to me that they’ve found an inefficiency in the international market and have been exploiting it.
 
I’m specifically referring to the (relatively) late-blooming international kids in the 17 to 18 year old range. For at least the past 5 years almost every major league team has been increasingly working themselves into a frenzy over the highest-rated 16 year old IFAs in the Caribbean who become eligible to be signed between July 2nd and August 31st of each year. For the most part, the bonuses being showered on these unproven and inexperienced 16 year olds has been reaching ridiculous levels. The Giants were initially suckered into this and ended up signing AnVil and RafRod for multi-million $$$ bonuses in successive years. So much time, effort and money are currently being spent by teams trying to scout, evaluate and sign the new kids each year that the other guys that don’t start showing their real tools and potential until they turn 17 or 18 years old are falling through the cracks. The Giants seem to me to be concentrating on this niche market, where the competition is much more scarce, and exploiting it. They’ve been able to sign around 8 to 12 of these kids for between $25K and $400K each, every year since 2009. This enables them to get much more bang for their buck and increases the odds that they’ll hit on a couple of good prospects every year – with 1 or 2 great ones every several years.
 
Think of it like this. If you had to identify all of the top American HS draftees that will be eligible for the 2012 and 2013 drafts right now (when they were only 15 and 16 years old) then how succesful do you think you’d be? Even the the best rating publications like BA don’t do a great job of identifying all of the best HS seniors only 6 months before they are draft eligible – much less 12 to 24 months prior to them being eligible.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 28, 2011 11:16 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

The HS analogy isn't even as bad as it is

The Rangers broke the record for the highest bonus at $5M this year for a kid they’d only ever seen in BP sessions. So you have to identify all the top HS draftees and you can’t see them in games, just private workouts they organize. The international market does not make a lot of sense; everyone’s so intent on finding Miguel Cabrera that they ignore the fact that he’s out of the 20 highest international bonuses and the list is incredibly depressing for anyone who wants to get into that market.

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by quincy0191 on Jul 28, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I’m actually pretty OK with more IFA signings at lowers costs.

Kickham where it hurts

by say hey nation on Jul 29, 2011 3:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fla-G, you are one astute mofo. I’ll add my thanks to Steve and throw in a big thanks to you, too, for your consistent intelligence and insightfulness on these threads.

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by leftymalo on Jul 29, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

To get specific, here is the list of the Giants' IFA signings since the beginning of 2009

All of these guys are currently playing for the Giants DSL team in the D.R., unless otherwise noted. There are actually around 5 other guys that were signed since 2009 that aren’t on this list, but they’re all pretty much just low-level roster-filler.
 
2011:
Simon Mercedes: RHP, Dom. Rep. (6’4", ) (18 years old) >> signed for $400K (he’s in limbo pending an investigation)
Adalberto Mejia: LHP, Dom. Rep. (6’3", 195) (DOB=6/20/93) >> signed for $350K (dominating in the DSL)
Enmanuel DeJesus: LHP, Dom. Rep. (6’2", 197) (DOB=1/6/94) >> signed for $35K
Carlos Diaz: LHP, Dom. Rep. (6’2", 175) (DOB=11/18/93)
Rony Sotelo: C, Nicaragua (5’10", 180) (DOB=11/13/93)
Royel Astacio: 3B, Dom. Rep. (6’2", 197) (DOB=9/27/93)
Alejandro Flores: RHP, Obregon City, Mex. (6’0", 180) (DOB=9/25/93)
Noel Diaz: RHP, Nicaragua (6’1", 180) (DOB=9/23/93)
Randy Ortiz: 2B, Dom. Rep. (5’11", 170) (DOB=6/15/93)
Franklin Matamoros: 3B, Venezuela (6’1", 185) (DOB=6/14/93)
Alexis Almeida: 1B, Venezuela (6’3", 215) (DOB=2/16/93)
Reyes Moronta: RHP, Dom. Rep. (6’0", 175) (DOB=1/6/93)
Julio Pena: OF, Dom. Rep. (6’0", 185) (DOB=12/13/92)
Richard Rodriguez: SS, Venezuela (6’1", 170) (DOB=10/3/92)
Rando Moreno: SS, Dom. Rep. (5’11", 164) (DOB=6/6/92)
 
2010:
Reinier Roibal: RHP, Cuba (6’2", 215) (DOB=1/19/89) >> signed for between $400K and $1M (playing in the NWL )
Carlos Cartagena: OF, Venezuela (6’2", 190) (DOB=12/22/93) >> signed for $300K
Joan Gregorio: RHP, Dom. Rep. (6’7", 180) (DOB=1/12/92) >> playing in the AZ Rookie League
Nicoll Parra: CF, Venezuela (5’9", 160) (DOB=7/28/94)
Emmanuel Hernandez: 3B, Dom. Republic (6’1", 185) (DOB=11/2/93)
Nelder Gonzalez: 2B, Venezuela (5’10", 175) (DOB=8/15/93)
Renzo Freite: RHP, Venezuela (6’1", 170) (DOB=1/3/93)
Gregorio Minier: RHP, Venezuela (6’0", 170) (DOB=2/20/92)
Juan Nova: RHP, Dom. Rep. (6’3", 190) (DOB=10/7/91)
Juan Miguel Sierra: RHP, Dom. Rep. (6’4", 185) (DOB=3/2/91)
 
2009:
Leonardo Fuentes: OF, Colombia (6’4", 215) (DOB=11/29/92) >> signed for $280k (playing in the AZ Rookie League)
Marvin Barrios: RHP, Panama (6’3", 145) (DOB=9/23/92) >> signed for around $250K
Kendry Flores: RHP, Dom. Rep. (6’2", 175) (DOB=11/24/91) >> playing in the NWL
Lorenzo Mendoza: RHP, Dom. Rep. (5’10", 190) (DOB=8/6/91) >> playing in the NWL
Jesus Galindo: CF, Venezuela (5’11", 175) (DOB=8/23/90) >> playing in the NWL
Gabriel Cornier: C, Venezuela (6’0", 190) (DOB=6/10/92) >> playing in the AZ Rookie League
Cristian Paulino: 2B, Dom. Rep. (5’10", 168) (DOB=9/4/91) >> playing in the AZ Rookie League
Keurin Feliz: RHP, Dom. Rep. (6’0", 180) (DOB=8/17/90) >> playing in the AZ Rookie League
Alexis Ramon Garcia: RHP, Venezuela (6’4", 170) (DOB=1/17/92)
Fernando Pujadas: C, Venezuela (6’1", 179) (DOB=1/2/92)
Hector Mercedes: OF, Dom. Rep. (6’3", 188) (DOB=10/5/91)
Shurendell Mujica: SS, Curacao (6’1", 158) (DOB=3/22/91)
Alberto Robles: 2B, Venezuela (5’11", 155) (DOB=9/14/90)

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

thanks for this list…i think i’ll try to add some more info from the milb website and then build something for google docs…

by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 30, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Dunnington had another impressive outing in relief for SJ

Baseball’s a funny game. I never would have guessed that in his first 10 games and 14 innings after being promoted to the Cal League Jacob Dunnington would give up no earned runs, have a K/BB of 6, and be nearly unhittable; while Stephen Harrold would be rocked in 3 of his first 4 games (3.2 innings) in the Cal League.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 28, 2011 11:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Extremely SSS, but here’s Dunnington’s stats through his first 10 games in the CAL:
IP=14, ERA=0.00, WHIP=.64, H=6, K=18, BB=3, K/9=11.6, BB/9=1.9, K/BB=6, GO/AO=.64, BAA=.128

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 28, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

/single tear rolls down cheek, proudly smiles

Hey Florida, any chance the Giants will give my boy an opportunity to become a starter?

Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?

by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 28, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible. They did convert Verdugo after 3 seasons as a reliever. That being said, it seems to me that this would have been the logical year for them to try with Dunnington if that was in their long-term plans. It’s not like there were a ton of starting pitching prospects on the Augusta roster that were keeping him in the pen.

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Did anybody get a chance to watch the game?

I had gameday up. He sure was missing a lot of bats + 80 pitches – 50 strikes. Not bad.

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by Smotheredinhugs on Jul 29, 2011 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Dan Runzler Experiment, back on track. I still like him.

by Evan on Jul 29, 2011 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

Wow, Tommy Joseph is THIIIIIIS close to having a .300 OBP. WOOT!

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by Roger on Jul 29, 2011 7:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Keep hope alive!

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

He started out the season with a .314 wOBA in April, then had a horrible May (.202 wOBA).

Since then he has had a good June (.297/.340/.484 ; .355 wOBA) and his July has been downright great (.299/.346/.567 ; .383 wOBA).

Hope is very much alive.

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Congratulations, Hector!

by tedfordfan on Jul 29, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

MENDOOOOOOZAAAAAAA!!!!

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by druncan on Jul 29, 2011 10:10 AM PDT reply actions  

Mendoza’s having an outstanding year. 2.69 FIP (belying the 5.27 ERA), 7.8 K/BB, K an IP, all from a 19 year old in the NWL.

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by Roger on Jul 29, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

S-K in First Place

Noticed that the second half of the season started. Thank god for the split season format.

by nelson95 on Jul 29, 2011 11:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Anyone else?

I just the S-K scores first before I head anywhere else on MiLB.

by SquadraSF on Jul 29, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

gotta confess i usually just go to Fresno, Richmond and San Jose….too many names to keep track of…

by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 29, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Runzler for Ramon Hernandez?

I’m in

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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 29, 2011 11:45 AM PDT reply actions  

interesting

the Giants only have 7 minor league affiliates while

the Tampa Bay Rays, Mariners, and Mets have 9…

Phillies, Pirates, Cardinals, Blue Jays, Yankees, Astros, Royals, Tigers, Reds, Cubs, and Diamondbacks have 8

14 teams in MLB now have 8 or 9 minor league clubs….

hopefully Neukom is studying this….

by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 29, 2011 4:02 PM PDT reply actions  

Great minds...

We had what I thought was an interesting and detailed discussion about that very subject in the 2011 Draft Signing update thread about a week ago. If anybody wants to read it then click on this link and then scroll down about 2/3rds of the way to the bottom to find a mini-thread that starts with my comment (with the title: The Giants really need another short-season or low A affiliate):
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/7/11/2270308/giants-draft-signing-update-who-has-who-will-who-wont

"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner

Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.

by Fla-Giant on Jul 29, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, but i had no idea so many other teams were going to 8 and even 9 affiliates….when i looked at this about 3-4 years ago it was just a few(maybe 4 or 5) and now its half the league….and if they go with strategy you mentioned of signing quite a few slightly older (and cheaper) int’l free agents(volume vs. high price) seems like the Giants almost have to add another affiliate soon….

by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 29, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

For affiliates, I am not sure I would count teams other than those in the U.S. (or Canada). A couple years ago, I think there was just one MLB team with 7 U.S. minor league teams.

Technically, teams in the AZL, GCL, and Appy Leagues are not really “affiliates.” A couple years ago (or was it three or four years ago now?) there was talk about eliminating those three leagues. It seems that MLB teams have trended in a different directions since then.

by steve S on Jul 29, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

ok…good info Steve…

by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 30, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I want a Midwest League team!

Even if it’s not a nearby affiliate, I could catch some games. Kane County is reasonably close, and Peoria, South Bend, and Beloit are doable. Plus my GF’s dad lives in Fort Wayne.

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 30, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

They used ot have a team in Clinton.

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by Roger on Jul 30, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

They still do

but it’s a trek to Iowa, even on the border. Although I guess not really farther than Peoria. South Bend and Beloit are closer. Kane County is much, much closer and quite a nice place to watch a game. It’s in the middle of nothing in the west suburbs, but still a nice park.

I mean, if I REALLY wanted to catch a particular game, most of the league is doable. Bowling Green and Lake County, though, not so much.

At first, I got excited about Lake County, which in Illinois is just north of Cook County, but I thought wait, there’s no team there.

Ok, Lake County Indiana is just over the border (Gary is in Lake County). Nope. They do have the Gary South Shore Railcats indy league baseball team though.

So Lake County Wisconsin? There is no Lake County Wisconsin. Green Lake County, but no Lake County.

Lake County Michigan then! It’s north of Grand Rapids. But no, not it, and that’s farther than going to a West Michigan Whitecaps game (just outside Grand Rapids, where my buddy’s brother lives).

Soo… ahh. It’s Lake County Ohio, east of Cleveland. Never mind. I could go to Lansing MI or Burlington IA (if the ballpark isn’t flooded – right on the Mississippi. I mean RIGHT on the Mississippi).

by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 30, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I mean the Giants used to have a team in Clinton.

MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!

by Roger on Jul 30, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

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