Giants Trade Zack Wheeler for Carlos Beltran
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 27, 2011 11:52 AM PDT
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PrintDeadline deals can win championships. Without Javier Lopez, the Giants probably don't win the NL West, and they certainly don't win the World Series. He came over and pitched like Mariano Rivera for three months. It was a trade that worked out like few others in baseball history. The thread here that announced the deal? Chaos. Brother against brother. The walls stained with internet blood. I was as guilty as anybody. I hated that trade like few others before it.
What the Carlos Beltran for Zack Wheeler deal is, then, is the Lopez trade, but 355% more so. It's a trade that unquestionably helps the current roster. It seems short-sighted, but what's in those short sights is something worth trying for. The player going the other way drives me up the wall. I'm excited about the player coming to the Giants. All of those, but 255% more. I feel like I drank too many rumors, and now I'm just spinning, spinning, spinning. Get me off this crazy thing.
I never bought that the Mets were backed into a corner, and that they'd just accept a smattering of B-listers.
Rangers: Eh, we'll give you this 26-year-old first baseman with defensive problems and power in AAA.
Pirates: Yeah, we have one of those. We'll do that and a LOOGY in double-A.
Braves: Okay, fine. We have this prospect that we were kind of saving for a special occasion. But, he's okay, I guess. Look, you can have him.
Phillies: We have something a little better than that. The Braves call that a prospect? I mean, our guy isn't a top-100 guy, but he's good.
Rangers: Wait, wait, wait. Did we say a 26-year-old first baseman? He's but a part of our overall package. We have a prospect too. He's good! One of our five best.
Braves: Our prospect is our fourth best.
Rangers: We'll include our third best.
Braves: Alright, I didn't want to do this, but ...
Phillies: We're out of here. Peace.
Pirates: Hello? I think I hit the mute button with my cheek. Hello?
Braves: Two prospects. Both in the top ten of our organization. There. We'll arrange the finer det...
Giants: Zack Wheeler.the conference call is silent
Braves: Damn. We're out.
Rangers: Whoa.
Pirates: Hello?
Everyone wanted Beltran. He's good. After him, there's the possibility of Michael Cuddyer. Maybe a huge overpay for Hunter Pence. Josh Willingham for airfare. It's not pretty. There was one player who could help several teams. Yeah, he was a free agent, but there were so, so many bidders who didn't have a great backup plan.
Wheeler is a 21-year-old with a live arm, a great fastball, a nifty curve, and a BB/9 of 5.2 over his career. There is the potential for great things. There is the potential for great shame. For he is a prospect.
But this is for the young-pitchers-never-pan-out crowd -- a list of the pitchers Jim Callis put in his top 50 prospects in the 2006 Baseball America Prospect Handbook, which just happened to be the first one I grabbed from my shelf:
Francisco Liriano
Matt Cain
Chad Billingsley
Justin Verlander
Jon Lester
Jonathan Papelbon
Anibal Sanchez
Scott Olsen
Scott Elbert
Dustin McGowan
Homer Bailey
Adam Miller
Anthony Reys
Bobby Jenks
Phil Hughes
Jered Weaver
Jason Hirsh
Troy Patton
Cole Hamels
There's crazy risk in trading a pitcher from the top of that list. Where Wheeler resides -- more in the bottom-half of a list like that -- there's still risk, though it's obviously not as great. Not saying that's a reason to hug all of your prospects tight and never let them out of your sight. But I can't stand the "it's only a prospect!" line. It's as annoying as the people who freak out over losing John Bowker. Ahem.
I trust the Giants' evaluation of young pitching, but I don't think this was a case of them not liking something about Wheeler, or thinking he was damaged goods. They just wanted Beltran more than other teams. And I don't really blame them. He makes the Giants better. So while I'm disappointed that they had to give Wheeler up, I'm excited for Beltran to make the Giants better. And it should be noted that I haven't looked up Kevin Pucetas's stats once since the Giants won the World Series. Success does a lot to make you forget about trades.
Hate this trade. Love this trade. Looking forward to reading this post with the knowledge that Beltran pulls a hamstring on August 4th, or that Wheeler has started two All-Star Games by his 25th birthday, or that the Giants repeat, or that Zack Wheeler becomes a middle reliever.
So welcome, Carlos. Hit, dammit, hit. Then hit some more. Go nuts. Please.
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UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 27, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL again
Lets see. KNBR or every other national beat reporter.
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Just let us hope right now
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 27, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
no way that's the deal
but if it is, then holy shit, Alderson got fleeced.
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Thus no way. Alderson is too smart for that.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If THIS is the trade
I will be so so so so so so so happy.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
Where is KNBR getting that information?
by Squire_Boone on Jul 27, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
CSN
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by iammclovin on Jul 27, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I suppose CSN might be more credible concerning the local ties . . .
by Squire_Boone on Jul 27, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I woke up at the worst possible time
Damn you, party.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
those are old old old
that trade scenario was like 4-5 revs ago
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Haha holy shit "Charles Culberson"
CHARLES?!
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PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
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One of my good friends is a Mets fan, and I’d feel a little bad if that was the case. He went through a lot of pain in the Minaya years!
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, it was deviously smart to float the Brown rumor first.
News of Wheeler actually calmed me down.
It bothers me that this doesn’t bother me that much.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
it bother me,
because I’m personally invested in Wheeler. I’ve seen him pitch a bunch and have becme attached.
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In this line.
I am so sad, probably irrationally so. Have gotten to know him personally a (very) tiny bit, and he is a great kid.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I am sad because it is a bad trade
But if the Mets pick up all Beltran’s salary, it is merely an overpay, not an egregious one.
How I wish Sabean were smart enough to have sent Rowand instead.
same
but I’m biased because i Follow brown and am charmed by his bio. “hello friends”
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It's cuz the Giants' track record with trading pitching prospect
if this was any other team…there was post-Stanley Cup loss rage.
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lets
go new thread oh wait its not a game. were talking about practice
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Jul 27, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
Probably LOL
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 27, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
25 man mystery guy
Probably a relief pitcher to alleviate the glut of 13 pitchers before Sanchy comes back.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 11:54 AM PDT reply actions
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve ridden a home-made street luge at 30 mph down my neighborhood’s streets. Most badass and insane thing I’ll ever do in my life.
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Didn’t the Palisades make that illegal last year?
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I seized up in complete breathless panic right after the first one, but I swallowed that because I had to be the adult accompanying my niece, whose dream it was to play in the snow. After that I had a gay old time. My sister took a video of it somewhere …
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Given my aversion to cold weather, it seems like the kind of thing I’d enjoy for ten minutes, then go back inside for hot cocoa and Frasier reruns.
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I’m not a fan of speed in general, but hey, it was fun enough.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Protip: never let an Air Force pilot drive you anywhere. He may seem like the sweetest, gentlest, cuddliest guy you’ve ever loved; but OMG SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
that sounds similar to why I don’t like flying. I don’t usually like riding when someone else drives either.
I want that control
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by jhiat00 on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Shit when I sell my condo back in the PI I might just get one of those campers trucks and wander around the coast.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure hope they include Crazy Crab in the deal
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 11:55 AM PDT reply actions
they
better not take the sandwich that stuff is amazing
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Jul 27, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
FWIW Dept.
Beltran has a career .858 OPS at AT&T Park but a 1.032 OPS in the past three seasons.
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His career postseason line is even shinier: .366/.485/.817 with 11 HR in 101 PA. CLUTCH!* (SSS rules may apply)
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by Smoke on the Water on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Fucking productivity is at an absolute stand still. My company would totally be justified in firing me right now.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
if they fire you
tell me im looking for a job recent college grad :)
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by 24k state fan since 87 on Jul 27, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
you'd think your profession wouldn't have those
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I should open a business.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
what the hell
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Same! I started reading this while I was on lunch, but it has inched its way into my work day..
by fishmicmuffin on Jul 27, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
me, too
but unemployment doesn’t fire people for that.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
sorry
if that’s a serious wisecrack.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Any legitimate estimates on when the deal might be finalized?
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“annoucement to come later today or tomorrow” is all i’ve heard
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Grant goes out on a limb...
There is the potential for great things. There is the potential for great shame. For he is a prospect.
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by delorean on Jul 27, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I always try to read that as one word
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
You know I’m in this line. Just glad they held on to Thomas Neal.
/ducks
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Mostly shocks me how little the Cards got in terms of prospects for Rasmus
The Jays get a young, star-quality outfielder and give up their table-scraps.
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Cards didn’t want prospects. Cards wanted MLB help for a playoff run in a very tight race.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
And they got...Edwin Jackson
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So they're going to start giving up more walks and HR's
Good job, Mozeliak.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
… who has a 3.21 FIP in the AL, 2.88 BB/9 and 7.18 K/9. And a low HR rate. And a .333 BABIP, which isn’t going to get worse. For a rotation that currently includes Jake Westbrook.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
and they replace Brian Tallet and Trever Miller in their bullpen with Dotel and Rzepczynski.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Tallet is a gascan
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
and 2 picks if he turns down arb
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
or some amount of picks
not sure if he’d be a Type A
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
fortunately for the Cards
Edwin Jackson doesn’t have the same clause
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That metaphor got away from me.
They are talking about Edwin Jackson. He’ll be type B right?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
you’d think they could at least get Eric Thames or Travis Snider.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This is preferable
to Brown for Beltran. I firmly believe that.
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by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 11:59 AM PDT reply actions
With a handle like that I’m sure you’re always working! ;)
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I learned today that Sandy Alderson is a fantastic General Manager
Owlcroft wuz rite.
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There’s nobody he can trade with then as the Pirates have a real GM now.
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Definitely.
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The deal, IMO
is clearly slanted in the Mets favor today
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I would disagree
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
If they're paying the salary
It’s a fair deal. I don’t think you can say Wheeler’s expected surplus is worth more than $6M + 2 months of Beltran (probably about 1-1.5 wins, $5-8M).
I hope you knew that
even without that cutting edge analysis. Between Alderson and the fat kid from Moneyball and the nerd that used to work in Canadia, I think we should just assume the deal is Wheeler for 2 months of Beltran.. or worse.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The only question I don't get
Is why we’re sending cash WITH Wheeler. It doesn’t make sense.
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this is but one example
of why suggestions that the Yankees want Zito are totally bananas.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
Comment From joey keil
Do the Mets and Giants know for sure that beltran is going to the Giants? Or could things change?
2:59
David Kull (ESPN.com MLB sr. editor): Buster Olney has reported this deal was at the “1-yard line.” And sometimes that last yard can be the most difficult. So, yes, things could change.
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by Murray, Present on Jul 27, 2011 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Dyson! (Andre Dyson?)
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one eye
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jul 27, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
time for this
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
You speak as though this is his first year in the minors…
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Is it really remarkable that a top 10 HS draftee in his second pro year is in A+?
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Way better than losing Brown
If the Giants can keep turning guys like Ryan Vogelsong into All-Stars then it’s fine to part with pitching prospects. Plus Wheeler has been pretty inconsistent.
Ok, so who sits if Beltran comes over??????
Is it Ross? Torres? Nate?
I love the power/obp from PtB, so I think he probably gets stashed on the DL for awhile.
I think you could make multiple arguments, but I’d go with Ross for right now.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions
Belt for sure sits.
Torres sits vs. LHP, Ross vs. RHP. Nate sits randomly.
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Should've traded Belt
Since they’re not going to play him.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Ross would probably sit the most, but we all know Bochy will just mix things up all the time.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy Roulette
He probably has a roulette table in his office to make the daily decisions.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s weird, and it makes you a bad person.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran.
Rowand has a hot power bat right now and has grit.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Jul 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Honestly, if they trade Wheeler, it's not the end of the world
Haven’t Sabean and company earned our trust when it comes to pitching prospects?
Have you seen Liriano's line recently?
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We're not talking about the trade
we’re talking about prospect evaluation
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Im with you in trusting the pitching prospect evaluation, but they were wrong in that case because Liriano alone was worth far more than AJ
Thing A
To be Fair
Both those guys had Tommy John after the trade. My dad, huge Twins fan, thinks Liriano is a head case. Just what the GMEN would be great with 2 Jonathan Sanchezs
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, you're Lisa Stevens
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Yes, and no
It’s not like he’s Chris Archer or anything, he didn’t have significant control problems. I wouldn’t have traded him to New York for Beltran unless I could get additional pieces from them, or get them to take Row or Zeets. I personally think Savvy Sabes has struck again.
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The “earned our trust” line is always so weird to me.’
If we can just feel safe in assuming that any pitcher the Giants trade away is going to be Ainsworth or Alderson, then other teams should really just assume the same thing and stay away.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It could be worse, folks
King Felix is pitching at Yankee Stadium in the 6th inning with a one-run lead, trying to help Seattle break a 17-game losing streak. I’m sure there are bomb squads who sweat less than the Mariners will over the next 3 1/3 innings.
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by Kitspool on Jul 27, 2011 12:03 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
heh
I was complaining about last night’s game to my boss, a Mariners fan.
career limiting?
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I bet people in Seattle are more upset that the Sounders lost 7-0 to Man U.
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This
Those greenies love their soccer up there
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
Was just up there over the weekend and while they were bummed about the Mariners, they are always bummed about the Mariners. So they don’t care. They love their Sounders though.
will leave the game with 2 outs in the 9 inning
and see Bullpen blow lead
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Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fitz & Brooks
/turns of KNBR
"For science. You monster."
better than Gary
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
You mean the guy who is a sportscaster
that finds sports boring and would rather talk about anything else?
Not Gary Radnich
/turns on KNBR
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean Fitz and uhhh uhhh uhhh ummm ummmm but but Brooks.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 27, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't mind Rod
Fitzgerald really dumbs down the radio.
/is not suggesting Eric Byrnes be promoted to midday
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
If there is one thing that the Giants do well
It is finding pitchers and developing pitchers. I’ll live with this trade with the knowledge that Sabean trust Dick Tidrow, and if Dick Tidrow tells him do it, then that’s good enough.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
and you know this how, exactly?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
same sources as 22gigantes?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
THIS
All of my distain for earlier Sabean trades has been replaced by the knowledge that Sabean now gets good advice.
I spilled my coffee today and it left a really nasty distain
by Puster Bosey on Jul 27, 2011 12:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh. My. God.
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I kinda prefer Vehicle Voltron.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
is this on your tumblr because i need to reblog it.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
That's from the Onion
It’s Carlos Voltron
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
In Giants colors? Wow.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
it was a Mets article from before
I assume Natto did some photoshop magic there
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well, I’m gonna post it to my Tumblr.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Oooh!
Right. Nice job, Natto!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
/can’t see image
//copies url
///emails to iPhone
////waits for lulz
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jul 27, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't get it
is this more nerd humor?
by Countificus on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Carlos Voltron, coño.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 27, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
KNBR caller
I’ve seen Wheeler and he doesn’t seem like the next Lincecum or Cain. I’ve also seen Peguero and Culberson and they’re great!
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
Of course I have those milky films over my eyes
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
He also identified Giovanni Ramirez as the attacker.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Giovanni Ribisi
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
That sentence is funny because it makes me think he’s seen one thing, and it doesn’t remind him of two completely different things.
“I’ve seen chocolate. And let me tell you, it is not the next truffle oil or curried lamb.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pretty much...
I’m stoked about having a great player for the rest of the year, but I’m scared about losing Wheeler.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Anything exciting happening today?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2011 12:07 PM PDT reply actions
when your zack wheeler
starts to weigh you dooooown…
What happens to the ducks on the pond? Well, Holden, here in SF, they're stranded.
House Senate and Potus deadlocked on ceiling
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
but that's a big if still i think...
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Jul 27, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
But what did the Yanks and Braves do all up in the 90s? Get core staff and hitters, add pieces for prospects, just about every year. 1 good maybe worth 1 absolute need?
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The Braves always had a great farm system so they could just promote players from within and just grab a free agent here or there. The Yankees had that corp and then just did what they do— bought up everyone else. Since the Giants farm system isn’t as good as it used to be, especially with Wheeler gone, doing something along the lines of the Braves gets trickier and that’s the gamble— to put all their chips in or not
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Last year definitely smoothed over my feelings.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
No, not at all. And with our lineup, it’s rare that you can improve a lineup this dramatically at the deadline. I’m okay with this deal.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
No
The whole point of everything is to win world series.
If you told me that trading away Tim Lincecum for a bag of moldy peanuts would guarantee a World Series victory, I’d do it. Because that’s the point.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Which would you rather have:
100% chance at a WS in year 1.
20% chance at a WS in each of the years 2 through 6.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
It’s more like
15% chance at a WS in year 1
14% chance at a WS in each of the years 2 through 6
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That has nothing to do with what I was talking about.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
unless Beltran
can catch AND play SS at the same time I don’t think the first probability is very likely.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Beltran probably only adds a few percentage points to their chances of a repeat.
So am I crazy or did the Blue Jays just get Rasmus
For essentially something comprable to Sanchez, Runzler, and Ramon Ramirez?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Sort of. Sanchez is better than Jackson, Rzepczynski is better than Runzler, but that’s basically right.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions
So we could have gotten Pujols too?
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Had to take the Teahan contract too.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s basically this:
Blue Jays give up Frasor, Stewart (AA – Keith Law’s #44 prospect in baseball), Dotel, Rzepczynski, Patterson, three PTBNL
White Sox give up Jackson, Teahen
Cardinals give up Rasmus, Tallet, Miller, P.J. Walters
Blue Jays get Rasmus, Tallet, Miller, P.J. Walters, Teahen
White Sox get Frasor, Stewart
Cardinals get Jackson, Dotel, Rzepczynski, Patterson, three PTBNL
Blue Jays Pro: they get Rasmus without giving up that much that they care about, because they’re out of race. Con: they give up well regarded prospect P, take Teahen’s salary, get other crap
Cardinals Pro: they get all the MLB talent for a playoff run. Con: They lose top prospect OF for short-term gain.
White Sox Pro: Get type B reliever with option for next year. Get high prospect SP. Save money when they have 6 men in rotation. Con: Couldn’t they just have traded for Rasmus, whom they really, really could use?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Chicago could have really used Rasmus.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Maybe they'll take Rowand!
Or maybe the Phillies will!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Rowand would help the White Sox, actually. But they’re not taking on salary.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh no, Juan Pierre might be benched. Can’t do that!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
What about ALOLex Rios?
Oh man
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
yeah. His numbers are worse than Dunn’s.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
If the talent on the White Sox just played even close to their true talent level, that team would be so much better. Rios and Dunn have cratered.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I had the same thought
Scrap heap, Anthopolous is truly an amazing GM.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
I can live with this if it means an OF of Beltran/Torres/Nate
With a smattering of Ross here and there.
Belt’s probably going to get screwed though, but there’s always hope.
I truly believe if they think Belt gives them the best chance to win at this point in the season, he will be out there.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I truly believe no matter what the organization thinks, with Huff around and the outfield crowded, Bochy will never play belt.
Adopted Giant: Mike Fontenot
He's like Grant, but fun size.
Dammit
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That's what I'm worried about too
At least Belt in LF/Huff at 1B had promise. If/when Beltran heads over I don’t see how they can fit Belt in unless Sabean tries to demand it.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 27, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
HE'S WAY BETTER TAHN HUFF GRR
Adopted Giant: Ryan Verdugo. The next Javier Lopez.
goldenbearlair.com
Zito and Rowand
Their contracts are such huge albatrosses at the deadline. I know we’re going to keep them on the roster and dump better hitters/players even as we acquire this talent.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:08 PM PDT reply actions
Mad Dog Russo just made a decent point
He said if the Giants thought Wheeler was as legitimate as when they drafted him they would never trade him. Be very wary when the Giants are willing to give you an arm.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
SHIT!
I hope Alderson didn’t just read that! My bad.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Look what you've done!!!
I feel prickishly demanding!
I couldn't be prouder of my recent adoptee - Tim Lincecum's dealer. He provides the secret fuel behind both Cy Youngs. Also, he taught Timmy the change-up.
by giantsfansince1981 on Jul 27, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn that sources guy is hella busy
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Jul 27, 2011 12:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
We’re re-signing Bradshaw!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Morris!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Wilson is handling trades now? He really is impressive!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
FACT
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Got Heem
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
You're welcome.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yeah, paying close attention to your elitism and naysaying, you naysayer.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
SOURCES: ESPN HAS SOURCES
Adopted Giant: Ryan Verdugo. The next Javier Lopez.
goldenbearlair.com
Fucking moron.
http://sfist.com/2011/07/27/car_loaded_with_giants_memorabilia.php
On Monday morning, a man driving a silver Hyundai carrying a cargo of baseball bats and balls signed by San Francisco Giants legend Willie McCovey left the keys in the ignition while he ran in to a Walnut Creek McDonald’s restaurant to satisfy his Egg McMuffin fix.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
I read it as this at first and lol'd
San Francisco Giants legend Willie McCovey left the keys in the ignition while he ran in to a Walnut Creek McDonald’s restaurant to satisfy his Egg McMuffin fix.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
no drivethrough?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Not at the Walnut Creek one
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how Burrell was/is still one of our better hitters
and he is being smothered out of the roster.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Jul 27, 2011 12:10 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Bochy just loves Rowand because he’s a gamer.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
That's a nightmare
But hey, at least Beltran strengthens our bench!
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
who?
Oh, the guy sitting next to Belt in the dugout.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
GREAT
NOW I HAVE THE FUCKING HICCUPS!!!@!!!!111
"For science. You monster."
Stand on your head with a mouth full of cinnamon and shove a lit candle in your ass
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Before your legend ever will.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
But what will fix the hiccups?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Take a sip of lemon or lime juice.
Seriously, it works. The spoonful of sugar, jumping up and down while rubbing your stomach, holding your breath, breathing into a paper bag — all hokum. But citric acid works.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jul 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
New York Times sez:
The Mets and the San Francisco Giants are on the verge of completing a trade that will send Carlos Beltran to the Giants in exchange for a top prospect who is likely to be Zach Wheeler, a right-handed pitcher taken in the first round of the 2009 draft.
The pending deal was confirmed by a person in baseball with knowledge of the talks.
The Gray Lady
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Helena Ravenclaw
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jul 27, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowena was kinda a bitch.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
“The Paper of Record” – LOL. Their glory days are over, and they never were good in sport scoops to begin with. They can’t even spell the kids name right.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Glad to see the rumor
was not confirmed by a person in hockey with knowledge of the talks
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Well, as long as it isn’t Zack Wheeler.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
"a person in baseball with knowledge of the talks"
Isn’t this, like, everyone in America?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I really hope not. I think we’ve burned through all our sales comps at CHW.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
FREDDY FREDDY FREDDY FREDDY FREDDY
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The foreshortening of the right arm isn’t helping either.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
awesome
but I like him showing the sno-cone to the umpire as he jogged off. “Oh, yeah, it’s in my glove.”
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
If Huff continues to start at 1B and Belt rides the pine or is sent down again to AAA, this deal means absolutely nothing.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 27, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
Not if Huff actually produces, which is a possibility. I don’t think he will, but it is a possibility.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
/Whiteside watches ball roll to backstop
/Tejada activated from DL
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran Bobblehead Day
Set for September 9th!!!!!
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions
@SI_JonHeyman: beltran has 24 hours to approve trade agreed to. mets paying significant $ to sf, get back zach wheeler. #tradedeadline
Looks like the deal’s almost finalized.
hmmm, so what is Boras’ interest in this? Is beltran a boras client?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Can’t you hear the sounds of Sabes squealing like a pig right now?
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
again
Magowan
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
He’s a top in public, and a bottom behind closed doors.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
?
Magowan is the boss. He gets last say.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
He knows Sabean can't resist a 36 year old
Probably looking to get Beltran signed up for 5/75, which will end up being 4/60 and Beltran will play 350 games over the course of that contract.
Basically that’s it.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok
what the hell happened to “We’ll take on money, but not give up prospects” Fucking Sabean
Adopted Giant: Ryan Verdugo. The next Javier Lopez.
goldenbearlair.com
Sabean playing poker.
“Hmmm, I’ll raise $500”
“Sabes, you’re bluffing.”
“No, I’m not”
“Sabes?”
“OK, I’m bluffing. Here’s my money.”
Wheeler for Beltran would be very bad
It looks to me that the Giants offer is much more likely to be what CSN is reporting:
Peguero, Culberson, and another guy (maybe Runzler or Verdugo)
I’m thinking that the Mets are leaking the Wheeler name in an attempt to goose the Rangers, Phils and other suitors to up their offers at the last minute.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
please please please
Follow me on Twitter @MTLJosh
by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
it is bad, and it is happening
The NYT has it now.
The NYT is using the Mets as their source. Besides, they’ve never been good at sports scoops.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Scoop schmoop. I’ll take facts with my disappointment, please.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
except I would be okay with Wheeler for Beltran
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Only if the Giants have an agreement with Boras/Beltran that they sign an extension of his contract to keep him here at least 1 more year after this season. Otherwise, it’s extreme overkill in comparison to what other teams are offering and what the short-term rental of Bletran gives them.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
posts like this
drive me up the wall. How, exactly, do you know what other teams offered for Beltran?
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I mean
if you don’t like the trade because you’re confident that Wheeler will be a really good player, fine. Not liking it because “we could have gotten more value for him” or “it was way more than other teams were offering” is fucking stupid.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Exactly. Clearly Sabean is not going to trade Wheeler if he could have traded Verdugo.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Here Here
Great point Viliphied
My two favorite teams are the Giants, and whomever is playing the Dodgers!
by World Series or Bust on Jul 27, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
sources say
my uncle’s sister’s brother’s cousin works for the Pirates, and she said…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
hmmm
I hadn’t considered this angle. We can hope!
by Duelling Brandos on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The strain of this deal...
Today has been insane.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
I don't think so
If they want the Rangers or Phils to beat a deal, they wouldn’t float Wheeler, because that just scares them away. They’d float the actual deal in hope of getting a better one.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Not at all. At this late stage in the process the Mets know what all the teams are stuck at. They know they have the Giants offer in their pocket. Since the other teams’ last offers were for less than Wheeler, then the only way to get the other teams to come up with a top-50 pitching prospect would be to make them think the Giants had gone that far. The only way to get other teams to make the quantum leap would be to make them believe that it’s put-up or shut-up time. In leaking the real deal all the Mets would be doing would be to possibly get the other teams to throw in another c-level prospect.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
If that's true
Wouldn’t the Giants immediately leak that they don’t have a deal in place for Wheeler?
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
It depends on
how badly the other teams want Beltran. It could scare them away or perk up talks.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Fla-Giant, was it you that raised concerns about Wheeler’s delivery? Or was that someone else? If they include him in this deal, I have to believe SF thought there was major arm-injury/durability issues
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That was Adam Foster of projectprospect.com. He backed off it a bit when he looked at more video clips.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I don’t think he should have. After I saw that video it definitely gave me pause to, the timing was definitely off if only by a hair and could lead to injury.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
But any delivery
regardless if the mechanics are “good” could lead to injury
Adopted Giant: Ryan Verdugo. The next Javier Lopez.
goldenbearlair.com
He supposedly has an inverted W in his delivery. Not as bad as Mark Prior’s or something, but still concerning.
Most of the time, I'm dumb. I'm just playing smart.
you mean like this one?
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
an inverted W
M?
Shameless radio show plug. Also, here's my twitter.
"The last time I made a video in a hotel room…..very different than this." – Drew Remenda
2010-2011 FTF 2 Fantasy Hockey CHAMPION
Please this.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
If it's Verdugo
then BELTRAN IS MINE!
Adopted Giant: Ryan Verdugo. The next Javier Lopez.
goldenbearlair.com
this thought did cross my mind
I hope you’re right.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't Trade Miggy!!!!!
Please tell me Miggy isn’t in the deal??????
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions
At least we don't have to give a fuck if it's spelled ZACK or ZACH anymore
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
A rec for you sir.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I beg to differ
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/7/27/2298029/giants-trade-zack-wheeler-carlos-beltran#72916987
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
That's why I always call him Zachary.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
LOL Belt
The Giants probably should have traded Belt instead, seeing as how they don’t plan on actually playing him. They use young pitchers, but don’t Belt is getting Bowker’d. (Yes I went there, and yes even after TGWTWS I’m still a little pissed, not that pissed mind you, but a little pissed.)
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
hey, i thought you disappeared from McC?
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 27, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Torture, like the poor, is always with us
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
That’s kind of touching. Thank you.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Pesky little firewall at work has been giving me issues
Apparently my employers want me to work or something.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
glad you’re back….i like that little squirrel logo….
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
lol...that's what that is
I always assumed it was a carpenter’s plane.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
unauthorized hotlinking of copyrighted material not permitted
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
those fuckers
it looked most like the avatar too
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
whoa now that's a warning graphic
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup
It’s not just a squirrel, it’s the Richmond Flying Squirrels, where my season tickets will not be allowing me to see Zack Wheeler next year.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
You steal bandwidth!
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
so do they
with that ginormous image.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I really think Huff and or Rowand will get benched.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
For shame...
I’m really shocked that nobody is talking about the effects this trade will have on the Giants’ pursuit of another Cal League championship.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
hahaha
Building up to win the second-half flag too!!!!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know who to believe anymore.
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
beltran has 24 hours to approve trade agreed to. mets paying significant $ to sf, get back zach wheeler. #tradedeadline
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions
bah
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I'll trade Zach Wheeler all day
and keep Zack Wheeler
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
in this line!!!
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions
The whole Beltran needs to approve it thing is funny to me. I’m sure he already told Alderson what teams he would accept trades to. What other possible hangup could there be?
Beltran: “So, who are they trading for me?”
Alderson: “Wheeler.”
Beltran: “I approve. And how much of my salary are you paying?”
Alderson: “Most of it.”
Beltran: “Oh. I see. Now, this may be a problem…”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman
beltran has 24 hours to approve trade agreed to. mets paying significant $ to sf, get back zach wheeler. #tradedeadline
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Seriously makes no sense
Haven’t ownership said we can take on payroll?
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
If we trade away a top prospect
the Mets had to pay Beltran’s salary
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
The Giants would have preferred it that way
… but if the Mets say “Wheeler or no deal” then the Giants may as well reply with “ok, then we’ll take all your money too” if they are already going to say yes to the deal. It’s not about the money for the G’s, but it is a lot of money.
mets want top prospect instead of salary relief
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 27, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Now to get Quentin as a salary dump.
For Peguero and Culberson.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Source: Giants trade Gary Brown to Yankees for Russell Martin
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
that's what Sabean said a while back
and they also supposedly walked away from a deal with Yorvit over $3M.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Hinshaw = Giantrizzly for life
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a flying squirrel
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran Holding Out
Wants to wear #24 with the Giants.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I now have buyer's remorse :(
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
winner's curse
I have been saying all along that if we win this sweepstakes, we shall regret it.
You know that feeling when you swipe the credit card and is waiting for the machine to print
so you can sign on the dotted line, and think to yourself “on no, did I really want this?”
yeah, that’s how I feel right now.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Did this when I bought my house and car
I sorta didn’t want to hand over the check but alas I’ve went too far to retract. Pretty sure same thing will happen at my wedding:
“IIIIIIIII…dddd…doooooo you know the way to San Jose?”
"I don't get out of bed, for a million bucks!"
- Edgar Renteria or a hooker bribing a family man?
by Scooter Ellis on Jul 27, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Cards fans are not amused.
I’m sure this will look all too familiar.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
Here's that scout's article on Wheeler
http://projectprospect.com/article/2011/05/23/zack-wheeler-scouting-report
Wheeler has a big red flag in his mechanics, a timing problem. He doesn’t begin to turn his forearm over and get the ball into the driveline until after he plants his front foot, despite his long stride. This leads to halted lower body momentum and a lot of stress on his throwing arm. Ideally, a pitcher will generate energy with his core then bring his arm along for the ride. Though Wheeler looks balanced and his velocity appears easy, he doesn’t create an efficient chain of kinetic energy in his delivery. His arm is left to do a lot of the work.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 27, 2011 12:20 PM PDT reply actions
basically the inverted W.
Wasn’t there some concerns about Alderson’s delivery as well?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Not at all
The inverted W deals with the elbow being above the shoulder during the delivery. What Foster was objecting to was that the timing in Wheeler’s delivery makes it so that his his forearm doesn not get into the driveline soon enough. In other words, his shoulder and upper-arm start their movements toward the plate, but his forearm remains in the downward-facing position too long. If true, this would have the effect of putting excess stress on his elbow and forearm and causes Wheeler to lose the smooth momentum in his delivery.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
In extreme lay terms, I read it this way:
Say you’re throwing a ball as far as you can, so you run forward into the throw, adding that running momentum to the ball speed. I did this all the time as a kid, just to see how far it would go. A lot of people probably have.
The stride in a windup acts the same way as running does there. It adds forward motion that your arm doesn’t have to, well, shoulder. But if you don’t get to the driveline fast enough, your release is happening when the extra forward motion from the stride is already stopping. So your arm has to pick up the lost velocity. In the above example of just plain throwing as far as possible, it would be like running into your throw, but then sort of pulling up right before you actually throw it.
Is that about right?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I read a story about this and it’s the kind if motion that destroys elbows. Straussberg had it and I think Prior did too
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 27, 2011 12:53 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pretty close. Basically, the best pitching motinon (in terms of efficiency and least stress) is for all of your body part movements to flow and connect from one movement to the next in the same mechanical motion. Anytime you have 1 body part that gets out of timing or in an inefficient position then you put excess stress on at least one part of your body. Excess stress leads to higher probability of injury. Inefficient mechanics = loss of velocity.
Foster’s point was that Wheeler had a timing problem, not that a part of his body was in an extreme position (as with an inverted W). Since Foster saw Wheeler getting his forearm into the correct positon too late, he predicted that he would be putting too much extra stress on his elbow as his career progressed.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
As I wrote above, Foster backed off this view a bit when he looked at more video of Wheeler from other games that he pitched.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
There's no "lemon law" in baseball, right?
"All right pie, I'm just going to do this. [chomp, chomp] And if you get eaten, it's your own fault."
Why not Reyes?
If we are going all in this year, and trading for a big piece of the puzzle, why not just throw in Brown as well and grab Jose Reyes instead?
If it’s Wheeler for Beltran
vs.
Wheeler and Brown for Reyes
…then I’ll take Reyes.
Because Mets want to keep Reyes
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
We know what they've said.
… but every player has a price.
2 reasons
1) Mets want to keep Reyes
2) Reyes has said he wants to stay in NY
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
@Buster_ESPN: With Beltran off the board, Braves digging in and looking at other possibilities to add a bat.
@Ken_Rosenthal: Interesting #SFGiants will give up top young arm for Beltran when #Braves wouldn’t. Perfect example of difference in philosophy. #MLB
Seems like a done deal.
Why would CSN report that were not giving up Wheeler?!
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
To fuck with us
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
because CSN does not have reliable sources.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Because the Giants own them
Or part of them.
and maybe the deal ain’t done and that is thier hope…?
IDK
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
TBF: Minor is a better prospect than Wheeler
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
No, he isn't
Minor projects as a #3 or #4 starter, Wheeler projects as a #1
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Minor is already major league ready, that has huge value.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Ceiling only
Minor closer to majors and is ready.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I haven’t seen him projected as a #1 in a long time
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a long way from a #1 though
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Eh, Wheeler is more of a good #2 in my eyes
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
I'm not saying it isn't
I just don’t view Wheeler as a 1. Very few pitching prospects get that label from anyone. Teheran is your shining example of a #1
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
This trade makes much more sense for us then Atlanta
Atlanta, with all it’s very young talent and epic farm system, seems to have a larger window then the G’s and don’t have to win it this year. Additionally, adding Beltran helps our offense and hurts their offense at the same time. So, in essence, we can look at the added WAR Beltran affords us, and then subtracted that WAR from Atlanta.
It's true that opportunity cost played a part here.
If Atlanta got him it would have felt like Fred McGriff again.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
@DKnobler: As others have reported, Mets will get Wheeler in Beltran trade, and will send cash for Beltran salary. #tradedeadline
by mp3911 on Jul 27, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Braves perspective:
Trading A pitching prospect inside your division and facing him 18 times a year for the next ?? years?? YUCK.
Would the Giants trade Wheeler to someone in the NL West for a 2 month rental?
NOPE.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jul 27, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It's hard to say whether it helped up attempt.
Literally.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Exactly
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Why do we need the Mets to give us more money?
We’re already flush with cash.
I mean we’ll take the cash if the Mets are giving it
by haroldandsivakumar on Jul 27, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No, Sabean needs to reject that cash and say he’ll pay all of Beltran’s contract, here’s Peguero and Runzler, take it or leave it.
by The Franchise on Jul 27, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
right but if the mets aren’t going for that then we’ll take the cash
by haroldandsivakumar on Jul 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Umm...Zeets still exists.
Therefore we can use it to pay Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Or someone else this year.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
The #firesandyalderson tag on Twitter is hilarious.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Are they sarcastic?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
No, there’s a guy who genuinely thinks this was a bad deal.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
MetsProspectHub Tejesh
@gregpomes: The Giants were NEVER going to trade Brandon Belt, especially for a rental player. That’s unrealistic
24 minutes ago
@gregpomes Greg Pomes
@MetsProspectHub because of Alderson is our gm #Mets #firesandyalderson #ThankyouCarlosForNothing
24 minutes ago via Twittelator
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
but we can just pay the interest!
National debt does not equal credit card
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I find it all blackly humorous
..but then I have not been seriously long beta for a while now.
StLOLck Market
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This place is a sinking ship.
I’m going to laugh/cry as all my financial aid gets blown on Congressmen’s hookers, and then interest rates skyrocket. Will be so much fun.
"But at this time of year, two plus two doesn't always add up to eight. Sometimes, it equals four." - Geoff Baker, Mariners beat writer.
you should pray for rates to skyrocket
Higher rates are only coming around if the economy perks up in a real way.
it's not just the default
It’s the downgrade by S&P and Moody’s. Yes, those guys. Again.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
If it’s truly Wheeler alone for Beltran + cash, then I am okay with it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
maybe we use the cash and pickup a catcher in August.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
hmmm
I’d rather have one now, and I don’t know who’s going to end up on (or clearing) the waiver wire that would actually be much help by then.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU'LL TAKE YOUR PUDGE AND LIKE IT
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
that
is exactly who I was thinking of.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Shouldn’t you be getting your hair cut?
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
the deed is done
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
YOU TOOK CARE OF GRANT?? =D
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Good. Finally.
I for one am looking forward to our new Overlord.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
jponry for Overlord
That or Jeff Sullivan.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
How can you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
jponry's already in charge, I'm not coming at anyone.
Guess that’s why you’re younghutch instead of oldhutch.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
they shall call me the Usurper
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
When you play the game of thrones …
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
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Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Jul 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That’s not Goofus.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Jul 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
ASOIAF is very hot here right now
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I am about 710 pages in
All I can say is, watch out.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I already had a meltdown here earlier today
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The wedding right?
That’s when all the shit goes down I think I’ve read in the parts of the internet that don’t say “spoilers”
yes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
an amazing troll who hates things that are happy ;___;
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Kawakami?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Jul 27, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Radnich?
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Remarkably like Joss Whedon in that way
And, gah, the Red Wedding…
The poor Stark family
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
I'm reading on my iPad, I think I'm about 200 pages from the wedding.
I’m caught in the spot where, I want to know what happen, but I don’t want the story to end so I’m making myself not read, if that makes any sense.
I just got to it earlier today and I haven’t been able to pick the book up since.
Of course, the Beltran thing had a lot to do with it too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That's helped me not read as well.
It’s a good trade for all, I think. I’d have liked to get Surkamp as well though.
That would have been the Red Trade
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’m riffing on Ginia Bellafante’s review of the TV show for the NYTimes.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
she caught SO much flack for that
all of it deserved
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I started the first book Monday night and I’m now 500 pages in.
BOY I BET THIS ALL WORKS OUT GREAT FOR OL’ NED
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
POOR STUPID NED
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I really wish he’d been around longer just so Stupid Ned Stark could have had more material.
Alas.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
I like Davos :(
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
A worthy successor to Ned
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He just wants to hang with his BFF Stannis
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Just watched this episode last night, poor Hound.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I can't decide if I like The Hound or not
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
that whole thing is just gross
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I keep wondering
Had primary colors not yet been invented in Medieval times?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I am too. I think Wheeler is in an interesting prospect but not much more.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve never been super excited about him. I mean, I like him, I think he’s a good prospect but.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Roger said something to me at last night that I thought was perfect. Wheeler is Sanchez but you can hit him.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
He was our best trade chip.
That’s teh problem. We used teh best trade chip and it only made us better for 2 hopefully 3 months.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, let's hope it's a really good two months
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I guess I am getting there...
but like the Alderson deal, I keep asking myself, “just blew our best trade chip, adn it’s going to get us two months of upgrade?”
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Mariners up 6-1!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
ice cream social!
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Should have paid all of it.
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by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
farewell, Wheelz
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Have to say this:
i like the Belt/Beltran combo!
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
Belt(ran)
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
This.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Shortstop/Catcher
Any out there to be had (not Reyes)? It seems like better value considering the Giants’ current options. I’m not sure if I want a .170 catcher in the post-season.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:25 PM PDT reply actions
What influx of cash? The cash the Giants are getting is only to cover Beltran’s salary.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
I also think this was a reason teh deal happened today and not on Sunday.
That and, hey, three days of Beltran.
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by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I could dig it. Landon Powell of the A’s works, too.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I would be down for a catcher with the last name of Stewart
by The Franchise on Jul 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose Molina. Seriously.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
No More Molinas
Clogging our basepaths and our toilets.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Ronny Paulino
/still hoping they’re negotiating a throw-in or two
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Tipping Point for the Giants?
Probably watching that atrocious offensive display last night in Philly.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:26 PM PDT reply actions
no way
there were a lot worse showings by the offense
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
True
But there’s always that moment where it all comes together like an epiphany.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking same thing
But Giants really needed 4 spot hitter. He was only one available.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
/Fixed
Probably watching that atrocious offensive pitching display last night in Philly.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Calm down, Captain Rogers.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Not going to happen but
Torres CF
Keppinger 2B
Beltran CF
Sandoval 3B
Belt 1B
Ross/Schierholtz RF
Fontenot SS
Whiteside/Stewart C
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
mean LF for Beltran
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That would be nice
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Belt is totally getting sent down.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
no he's not.
he’s patient enough to draw walks and is adjusting
by big logs Johnson on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
You'll get Miguel Tejada at SS and like it
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
and
1. Rowand CF
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Pablo and Beltran probably switch.
And Belt is inside the clubhouse oiling up gloves.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
GLOVE GREASER
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
LEATHER LUBRICATOR
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
-------
PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
PUD POUNDER
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
RAWLINGS RUBBER
"All right pie, I'm just going to do this. [chomp, chomp] And if you get eaten, it's your own fault."
WILSON WACKER
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I would also prefer to see Beltran hit in front of Sandoval. Panda doesn’t need “protection” in the lineup to see more fastballs. He’s the ultimate “bad ball” hitter. Let him roam in his native enviornment while giving Beltran lineup protection.
I agree with this
Pablo stands a better chance of getting good pitches to hit if Beltran is in front of him to get on base. If Beltran is behind him, they’re still just going to throw him junk and hope he swings and gets himself out.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jul 27, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone think they should send Crawford back down to the minors to work on his hitting
And groom him for later, or does he have more value as a backup for Fontenot? I love the guy but I feel like the minors might be the best place for him right now.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn't Bill Hall completely worthless now?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I assumed he'd be gone when he returns
Even if Owlcroft will vehemently oppose it.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 27, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Well he shouldn't be rotting on the bench.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Not going to happen but
Torres
Belt
Posey
Beltran
Sandoval
Ross/Nate
Mole
Fonty/Kepp
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this is what we will see in the playoffs.
Sabean/Bochy came to his senses when it mattered most.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
@Joelsherman1
Joel Sherman
Hearing #Mets will pay $4M of Beltran’s contract. But that is from executive outside the trade, not directly involved #sfgiants
"For science. You monster."
BREAKING NEWS
Giants sign future hall of fame shortstop NEIFI PEREZ !
by Anonymous1337 on Jul 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Oh lord.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
which Hall of Fame?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
The Hall of Fame of mid at-bat cup adjusting
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Chicken Hall of Fame!
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Hall of Amphetamine
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jul 27, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The cash that the Mets are sending over with Beltran is likely to offset the release of Rowand.
now skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody.
Good point
Who is leaving
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Hall?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
It’s gotta be Rowand. Burrell is essentially free and he’s not taking up too much space on the DL. They have to keep Torres and Nate and Ross around, right?
now skeeter, he ain't hurtin' nobody.
It will be Belt to Fresno
It should be Rowand DFA’d
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah it'll be Belt to Fresno for at least the time being
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
So what did he get like one start this time up?
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
No prospects for Beltran, please.
3!
And all he did was go, what, 4 for 9 with a HR, a double and a walk?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Bowker'd!
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He had his chance!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I still believe!
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
There is just no way they are that dumb.
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by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think they would DFA Rowand this season.
There are people they can send down to the minors or get rid of who are totally superfluous. Bill Hall anyone?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
And we're only 34 days from 40 man rosters.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Hall is not on the 25-man
Basically the options for clearing a spot for Beltran are Belt, Rowand, Burriss, and Crawford. I am guessing that Burriss or Crawford will be sent down, depending on whether they like the vrooom or the late-inning defensive replacement better.
Burriss plz
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Lol
I would be so fucking down
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
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by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
no chance
I really think the Giants expect Rowand to be a part of the 2012 team. If they have to cut an OF I’d bet on Burrell, but I think they’ll probably just send Belt down or find another injury in the OF somewhere.
Thing A
Cutting Burrell doesn't make room
He’s already on the DL.
The cash they are getting is offsetting the salary of Beltran. They still owe Beltran $2 mil so not sure how this frees up cash for releasing Rownads.
"All right pie, I'm just going to do this. [chomp, chomp] And if you get eaten, it's your own fault."
Why do they need to "free up" cash?
They’re paying Rowand whether he’s on the team or not. If they decide they can’t use him and they can’t find anyone who’ll take him even if they pay 90% of his salary, they should just go ahead and release him.
I personally think they could get someone to take him if they gave him a suitcase with $15M in it.
Why not!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
So....
The Braves and Phillies will just turn to Pence and Upton.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
they can have Upton
since every center fielder we play against seems like an all star anyway.
Pence on the other hand…
and they will now have to pay handsomely for them.
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
McCann injured too
#Dbacks coming through the back door
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
/Arizona residents shoot Dbacks
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
hmmm
That whole combination of words reminds me of someone
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t say nothing!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
ACTIVATE INTERLOCK
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
DYNATHERMS CONNECTED
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
This I Believe
1. Beltran is great.
2. The Giants are probably going to make the playoffs with or without him. BP says 96.5% chance; BP is on crack, but still, it’s pretty likely.
3. The Giants already have a pretty good outfield.
4. Anytime you trade a young pitcher, you’re probably going to win the trade. Young pitchers fizzle out more often than not, and Sabean’s made the most of that over the years.
5. But when you trade a young pitcher and lose, you lose big. Sometimes they turn into Liriano or Wainwright or Haren or Smoltz or Pedro Martinez, and then you have a disaster people will not soon forget.
6. Last year the Giants made a bunch of moves I didn’t care for, and things worked out all right. So I don’t get het up about this stuff the way I used to.
by Evan on Jul 27, 2011 12:31 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
This.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
In response to #5
He is going to the Mets. Don’t worry about this happening.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
ICWYDT
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Can we take Liriano out of this discussion
dude has a 0.3 WAR this year.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
1) It’s unfair to review a trade after the fact. At the time, the trade was fairly even.
2) The point is that Liriano is nowhere near Waingwright, Haren, or Pedro. Not even the same baseball universe
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I’m not sure if the trade was even. It seemed like a knee-jerk reaction to Nathan’s recent struggles. You’re right about the second part.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Last year the Giants made a bunch of moves I didn’t care for, and things worked out all right. So I don’t get het up about this stuff the way I used to.
You can’t compare the trades that Sabes made last year to a Wheeler/Beltran deal. Every trade that Sabes made last year was a low risk trade using non-prospects.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
This line
I’m in it.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
KNBR will have the SJ Giants play by play guy on
should be a good interview
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
NASDAQ DROP LINKED TO WHEELER TRADE
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
So we're OK with the (semi) negative things said about Brown in the last thread?
"I don't get out of bed, for a million bucks!"
- Edgar Renteria or a hooker bribing a family man?
Did you see the other thread before this?
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It was easily 1200+ in about an hour.
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on Jul 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Last thread was the real freakout thread
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
last thread
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
1830 comments atm
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It was a good freak out.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Third freakout at best
1) Timmy “injured”, MadBum called up
2) Alderson for Freddy
3) Who for Beltran
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
That was what made it epic. Through you scooping it hours ahead, we got to freak out FOREVER. and then it actually happened. oh, man.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, how’d you scoop?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
got a call from Randy Winn’s little brother asking if I wanted to go to the game that night because my favorite minor leaguer was making his major league debut and starting. I was confused because madbum didn’t seem ready at all but Romo wasn’t a starter. Anway, he said I could tell the MCC crowd but that I couldn’t reveal my source. Grant threatened to ban me if I was making it up.
WWRWD?
Romo accidental DFA
Honorable mention
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn’t he always?
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I canno believe he fucking Gians made a ransacion obaining Carlos Belran from he New York Mes!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
I like this.
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
his was good.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
At first I read this as a tweet from Pablo.
"All right pie, I'm just going to do this. [chomp, chomp] And if you get eaten, it's your own fault."
by Woody'sShed on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I love that that is where the expectaions are now
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay
so if the Giants get to the WS and loses you would be bitter?
I wouldn’t.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Maybe not bitter. Massively disappointed?
by The Franchise on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
no
I would be content.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I just hope to get to the World Series again. Get past Philly. Hell, get past Atlanta.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
hell hold off the Dbacks.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
When the season started. All I wanted was for them to win the West. Now its we better get passed the NLDS
You follow me, I'll follow you
http://ayeyooojerm.tumblr.com/
SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
tbh
I do have a significant appreciation for them not just watching everyone ground out for another two months and then drop 3 straight to the Pirates or something.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Now, I want to know what Sabes untouchable list looks like.
I know Brown and Surkamp are on it but who else?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 27, 2011 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
Hinshaw
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Still makes me LOL
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably
madbum (duh)/Brown/Belt/Surkamp/Hembree
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Timmy, Matt, MadBum
Rowand, Zito, Crazy Crab, Tidrow, Mike Krukow, Benny the doorman.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Sabean should have demanded Paulino
We are giving up our top pitching prospect for a rental, give us Paulino.
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
yep…maybe knock $2 mil off the $4 mil…
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 27, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like I just tapped out and attacked with everything
and it is now too late to take it back.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
scared that someone is gonna drop Fog or some shit.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
So...
is Bochy gonna call him Carly or Beltry?
beat me to it
A rec for you!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Woohoo, Beltranssexuals rollcall!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Tranny it is.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
#firebochy
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
This Rowand at lead off shit needs to stop.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
#comments from 2010
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran must be looking forward to all the table-setting he has awaiting him!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Rowand
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
yessssss
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Good thing I'll be in Berkeley later
Will miss this one.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 27, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
So first it was the panic trade and now its a panic line-up. Oh boy...
You follow me, I'll follow you
http://ayeyooojerm.tumblr.com/
SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
Don't worry...
they are just playing Rowand tonight in the hope that he runs into a wall and clears some room for Carlos.
I'm not watching the game
Game #2 of my boycott.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 27, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
ugh
How is Huff hitting that high in the order?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Gotta give him a chance
And another, and another…
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
But Huff and Rowand are totally about to start losing playing time.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Any day now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
OH GOD I PASSED RIGHT OVER ROWAND IN THE LINEUP
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
LOL it's just cus you knew it was going to happen
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Beltran being here just means that not only will Rowand continue to platoon with Torres, but he’ll now have a guy to come into games as a defensive replacement for.
His playing time will increase.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Replacing Beltran
with anyone other than Torres on D would be stupid.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
absolutely
The only question is what OF is dumped to make roster room for him, whether now or after Tejada is reactivated.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy never changes
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
This is why Beltran was a waste of time.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL no beltran
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Like
I can get giving Huff the longer leash, whatever. I don’t get how he is still batting fourth.
This is Bengie Molina mark II
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Yup
This is Bengie Molina ca 2010 all over again. Maybe they’ll trade Huff for a meddling prospect and middle reliever.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering if he could have been snuck into the Mets deal
More of a dream than a wonder.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
My first car was a Bengie Molina Mark II
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 27, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Clearly a team that’s going all-in this year.
by Seasick fish on Jul 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't like how they're rolling this lineup out
When a series loss is on the line.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand is supposedly good against LHPs
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
yeah he looked great against Wolf the other day
/Bork
by The Franchise on Jul 27, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He hit a dinger last night
Good for three starts at leas, at least.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Even with a 393 BABiP vs. RHP his wRC+ is only 113
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Without Torres, who’s going to bring the VROOOOOM!!!!!!!!
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Tell him to stop putting his hand on the stove!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT NOW, THERES MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Why is Rowand?
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand and Huff need to go away.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
BECAUSE IT WORKED SO WELL YESTERDAY AND ROWAND HIT A HOMERUN SO HE GETS A START
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
/scores 12 runs
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Aaron Rowand
Needs to get the FUCK OFF THIS TEAM!….ahem…
/Beltran waives trade
"All right pie, I'm just going to do this. [chomp, chomp] And if you get eaten, it's your own fault."
I admit my first reaction is always panic, but this is not a logical deal
1) Its clear that the Braves were not willing to give up a big prospect, and that the Mets were not going to resign Beltran and get up draft picks. Its not clear, but it also seems like Beltran would not approve a deal to the AL.
2) Its also clear that if they did not deal him by July 31, they get nothing except potentially salary relief (he clearly wasn’t going to clear waivers)
3) the Mets are essentially limited in their leverage – clearly, Beltran is a key asset, but they have 4 days to take the Braves offer (not including a Minor or a Delgado, both of whom are Wheeler or slightly below Wheeler arms; let alone Teharan or Vizcaino who are better prospects). Yes, Beltran is a damn good playe
4) Beltran is all set and done, a 2 win improvement at most the rest of the season – the OF, except for CF, has been pretty decent in terms of production (Ross / Nate at LF and RF). No matter what they tell you, one player (short of Bonds or an ace starting pitcher, for obvious reasons) is limited in their abilities to win the post-season – Beltran doesn’t make the Giants a league average offense all by himself.
5) Cain is an FA after 2012; Lincecum after 2013, Sanchez, after 2013. Lincecum is going to file for arbitration at some ridiculous 18-20M number this off-season, and Sanchez is likely to make 7-8M; our SP is getting expensive. Giving up young, cost-controlled talent means that you have to full freight for everything, and there is no sign the Giants will be a $180M payroll team (circa the Phillies).
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
yeah the one thing that makes me nervous is how little controlled time we have left with Lincecum/Cain
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
our SP's "are" getting expensive
sorry. Obviously, flags fly forever, but the Giants farm system is now essentially empty – and we saw enough of last year to know that the playoffs are, as Billy Beane put it, a crapshoot. Beltran doesn’t change our odds of winning from 5% to 10%.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
The farm system isn’t empty. Brown, Surkamp, Hembree, Peguero, Sanchez, aren’t exactly Torcato and Misch.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, calling the system empty seems like an overstatement
Wheeler was the best pitching prospect, but in some ways, I actually do prefer Surkamp, particularly in the short-term.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say the Giants have a bottom 5 farm system after this trade
1 top 100 prospect.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
it's not full of impact players, no
but there are plenty of guys who look like future major leaguers
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
When you graduate the reining ROY and a top end rotation starter
and then add a Brandon Belt within a 2 year window, your farm system will take a hit.
That is not unexpected at all. And worth it because TGWTWS
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That must be why they're not giving Belt and playing time
Looking to keep him a rookie to keep that farm system rated highly.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
by groug on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think he's already been on the roster for 45 days
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
The playoffs are a crapshoot
But there are ways to weigh the dice. Beltran does that. Beltran is a little piece of tape attached to the dice that drags it a little bit closer to the numbers you need.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Heavy emphasis on "little".
Really. DTM sometime with varying assumptions on the differences between two teams anywhere in the plausible range.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
5 is incorrect in that the Giants will have no problems signing any of their pitchers. Zito’s money will come off the books in 2014.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
the point is cost-controlled talent
matters. whether you are the YAnkees or the Marlins.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Whenever we think Sabean has leverage
he shows that either a) he actually doesn’t or b) he doesn’t understand leverage.
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
5) Cain is an FA after 2012; Lincecum after 2013, Sanchez, after 2013. Lincecum is going to file for arbitration at some ridiculous 18-20M number this off-season, and Sanchez is likely to make 7-8M; our SP is getting expensive. Giving up young, cost-controlled talent means that you have to full freight for everything, and there is no sign the Giants will be a $180M payroll team (circa the Phillies).
Rowand is a FA after 2013 and Zito after 2013. I still kind of expect Sanchez to be traded this offseason. If the Giants remain extremely competitive or win another World Series in the next 3-5 years there’s really no reason they shouldn’t have the kind of budget to then retain Posey, Sandoval, and Belt along with all the pitchers.
Thing A
@BrewerNation
The Brewer Nation
#Brewers have traded C Wil Nieves to the Braves for cash considerations.
"For science. You monster."
HOLY FUCK!!!!!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Is this a bad thing?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
tHIS IS INSANE WHAT IS GOING ON!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wil Nieves has an OPS+ of 2
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
no
strained oblique. can’t play
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Go and fetch him TL2!
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
TL2’s sacrifice shall not be in vain!
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
I would let Frank Wren have his way with my mother if it meant Brian would don a Giants uniform.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
their catcher goes down and they get a replacement in 12 HOURS?
Dammit, Sabes.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
David Ross is the replacement. Nieves is the backup.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
They acquired K-Rod and gave up Nieves?
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
BREAKING
Brian Sabean wakes up in cold sweat, afraid he left iron plugged in, Zack Wheeler in New York.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Don't like the Giants giving the Mets 2 Mil.
Not a huge thing, but you give up your best prospect (or top-2), you shouldn’t send any money with him.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT reply actions
Got it the wrong way round
Mets sending money, possibly 4 million, to the Giants.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Yeah so the Giants are paying Beltran 2 mil, not the Mets.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
That’s Tejada money!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
That is what I meant
It isn’t a huge deal, but it is more the principle of the thing. You trade the best prospect for a rental, they pay the bill.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Does Beltran have more than 10 HR's this year?
if so we had to trade for our first player to reach 10 homerzzz.
LOLGIANTS
by Anonymous1337 on Jul 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
yes he does
16 I think
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
.289, 15 hr, 66 RBIS
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Internet?
WTF r u talking about?!
by Anonymous1337 on Jul 27, 2011 12:47 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
HOW DOES IT WORK??
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I wish there was some chance Beltran could join the team today.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I'm just hoping he's there tomorrow.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Apparently he has a ticket for Philly already
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Can’t beat source like that. Scardino = Gs travel guy. RT @WineWorkerAdamC: My mom works with Scardino. Beltran has flight to PHI tonight.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
HE'S EXCITED
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
WE WE SO EXCITED
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
WHICH FLIGHT CAN HE TA-A-AKE?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Wednesday, Wednesday
Gotta fly down on Wednesday
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Will he have a front seat or will he have a back seat?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He won't even approve the deal for 24 hours
I’d be surprised if he plays in Philly at all.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
he could approve it sooner
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
And he can travel while he’s waiting to approve. He can be in Philly by tonight and be available to play in Thursday’s game.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
SOOOOOO
why are they paying any of his salary? They gave up the best pitching prospect on the team.
In the words of Lando Calrissian “This deal is getting worse all the time”
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT reply actions
No dingerz
@hankschulman
Henry Schulman
.310…11 doubles… RT @sfgiantsfan021: @hankschulman Batting average at AT&T?
"For science. You monster."
Okay, I need to leave my computer for 30 minutes.
I expect everything will be okay when I come back.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2011 12:42 PM PDT reply actions
hankschulman I’m hearing details still being worked out between Mets/Giants and Beltran, who might ask for this or that before approving the deal.
Beltran: “Look, I’m happy to join the team, but you had better not bat Aaron Rowand in front of me. Ever. I need my goddamn RBIs when I become a free agent.”
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
If memory serves
Beltran contract has a clause that calls for luxury box with 20 tickets for all home games and the use of a private Jet.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Ok Sandy give us Paulino and you can have Brown or Surkamp
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by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
A RECLINER IN THE CLUBHOUSE
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
@Buster_ESPN
Buster Olney
Confirming what @joelsherman1 is reporting: the Mets are eating $4 million of the $6 million owed to Beltran for rest of the season.
"For science. You monster."
/Government pays Mets $4 million in TARP funds to cover the cost
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
SJ Giants play by play guy
stated that Wheeler is very good but one notch below Cain, Timmy, and MadBum
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I think he means a notch below what they were as prospects
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I suppose
Although Cain and Bumgarner weren’t really on Timmy’s level, although I suppose the age difference plays a big factor.
That is cray-z.
I think Bumgarner was pretty close
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Did Tim even play A? Maybe the year he was signed
He started his first full year in AAA and was called up if I remember correctly. He destroyed AAA.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
he pitched in San Jose after being drafted
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I just looked it up, 6 starts
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
he had a couple of playoff starts too
I don’t know if those are included there or not
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Original quote is wrong. Ritzo clearly said that MadBum and Timmy were a cut above, but Wheeler, Cain, and Dirty were on the same level. Alderson was below them.
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I’d say that’s pretty accurate. Still Matt Cain is pretty fucking good.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain for Beltran!!!!
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
by kezargiants on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Really? I thought he said that Wheeler was not at the caliber of Timmy, Cain or MadBum and that Alderson was a notch below Wheeler.
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Not at all
He clearly said that MadBum and Timmy dominated the hitters in the league and he could tell that they were going to be pitching in the majors within a year. He said that Wheeler had similar stuff to Cain when they both pitched in the CAL.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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But Matt dominated the hitters in the league and was in the majors within a year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Seriously
Matt Cain at San Jose
1.86 ERA
72.2 IP
58 H
17 BB
89 K
At 19 years old. Completely outclasses what Wheeler’s done there this year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You’re conflating stats and actual outcomes to what Ritzo was describing as his perception of each pitcher’s stuff while they were in the CAL.
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Well, it’s just his opinion, but I think Cain clearly seems to be in the next tier of prospects up from Wheeler.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Cain has/had a much better frame and feel for pitching, but Wheeler has better pure stuff. I’d take Cain, but I don’t think there’s a huge difference.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, yeah, I’m not saying Wheeler sucks as a prospect. Cain just seems like he was clearly in the next tier up as a prospect from what Wheeler is.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
No tin terms of stuff. Almost universally, every scouting report that I’ve seen on Wheeler going all the way back to 2009 raves about his pure stuff. Cain had better command and control than Wheeler has so far shown, but Wheeler’s stuff is superior. Stuff = velocity + movement.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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There’s a reason why Cain was only a 25th overall pick out of HS.
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Not to mention
Wheeler has yet to fully grow into his frame. When he hits his mid-20s his frame will be better than Cain’s.
Best pitching frame = height + high hips + sloping shoulders + long limbs
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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Well, okay. I’d still take Cain at 19 over Wheeler at 21.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Of course
But a large part of that is due to the fact that you know how good Cain turned out to be.
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I could be wrong
I have to relisten
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Matt Cain's hi-A stats were a lot more impressive than Wheeler's
and he was 19 at the time, not 21.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Ritzo was not referring to stats. He clearly stated that he was speaking about their stuff and their potential when they were in the CAL. He wasn’t going by age.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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Cain was the #13 prospect in baseball the year after he pitched in San Jose
Wheeler is in the 30-40 range.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I mean, it's just that one guy's opinion
But Cain clearly seems like he was a superior prospect at that time than Wheeler is now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
While that may seem like a lot
When you look at the number of prospects in baseball the difference between 30 and 13 isn’t terribly big.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s still a pretty significant difference, IMO.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Well if that's your opinion
I of course concur.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I for one and shocked that Wheeler is not as good as three of the best pitchers in baseball. Shocked.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Can’t type for shit today.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
All of my words are turning into ands.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
There’ve been a lot of comments today. You guys must have had a hell of a lunch thread or something.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
If only
pie wasn’t scientifically better than cake.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
You probably get
the equivalent of a pie-cake hybridization. (That is, if you add ice cream to either cake or pie. Or have a cake/pie made of ice cream.)
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
Pie has control issues. Cake is solid.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I'm holding out hope that we also get Ronny Paulino or Ruben Tejada.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
Dang it!
I might not even adopt another Giant. Bad things happen to them.
(And yes, I am equating getting arrested for murder with being traded to the Mets)
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
you get Beltran now though!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Oh, hmmm
Is that how it works? I might could do that.
Won’t help me next year, though.
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
lol hilarious
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
So, we should have just traded Villalona to the Mets?
(…too soon?)
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
You got Sanchez because that's who Alderson was traded for, right?
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
Bruno and Radnich were being so fucking stupid earlier. I was pleasantly surprised when Fitz and Brooks weren’t actually being morons about this whole thing.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Just a thought, re: Santana's no-hitter
is it possible the official scorekeeper changes the error to a hit? Has this ever happened?
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SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
Wow that's big.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was waiting for this
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
IN 2004 LIKE BARRY ASKED FOR!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
In other batshit insanity
Colin Cowherd does not think the missed call last night was as egregious as everyone is making it out to be, and that the replays are inconclusive.
How is this man still employed?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I have a Colin Cowherd problem
I drive to work a few days a week, and inevitably I end up listening to him part of the time (switching back and forth between Murph and Mac). 90% of the things he says are stupid, and the fact that he shouts them and then repeats them ten times in an hour makes it even worse. And yet for some reason I can’t stop listening to him.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I can not stand that east coast biased asshole. He's lucky that he works with Michelle Beadle
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SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
She had her A game on yesterday
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He is
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SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
Actually...
He’s from Grayland, WA, a coastal town of about 1,000 people, that is in the Gray’s Harbor area, due west of Olympia. He did attend Eastern Washington University, though.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
He has an opinion and isn't scared of broadcasting it.
I just wished he wasn’t always wrong.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
The people who think the call was excusable in real time don’t understand the definition of an out.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Yay Timmy
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Timmy just walked in. Said he’s “better.”
"For science. You monster."
BELTRAN CAN HEAL THE SUCK!!
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by Giant Voodoo on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, better. Better at making trades than most GMs
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
@hankschulman
Henry Schulman
Timmy just walked in. Said he’s "better." than Zito
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
TIMMY HOLDING OUT!!!!!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
wasn’t it Byrnes last night on KNBR who said someone might have put rat poison in his food?
i mean are you kidding me – RAT POISON?? Byrnes is crazy..
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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by Fla-Giant on Jul 27, 2011 12:48 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Caller on KNBR right now says that Craig Westcott and Chris Heston are as good as Wheeler.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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That's the crazy part.
He did mention Mixon. The guy who just retired! I lol’d for 15 minutes. He probably meant, Heston, though. That’s still loltastic, and this is coming from someone who loves Heston.
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Was it Mixon?
I wasn’t listening that closely right then because I started laughing so much when he said Westcott first. Sounded like Heston to me, but it could have easily been Mixon.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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No, he honest to God said Mixon. I couldn’t believe it. His “I have been watching these guys” probably means, “I went to 2 SJ games, which were Westcott and Mixon starts.” I thought he might have had him confused with Heston, but who the heck knows?
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
hahaha
What about Casey Daigle?
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
In other news
Brian Wilson is still the man….
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Brian Wilson on calling Beltran trade at All-Star Game: “I say what’s on my mind, and more often than not, it’s factually based.”
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BWAHAHAHAHA
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by shanghaijim on Jul 27, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
MCC’s new motto: "More often than not, it’s factually based."
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
by TheLetter2 on Jul 27, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is my new motto.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Mine too!
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Did he do anything to “call the trade” beyond saying that he would like to see him play for the Giants?
by Seasick fish on Jul 27, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Err....
I think you’re kind of missing the joke.
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure about this trade
Really like Beltran, I mean if this was Carlos Beltran a few years ago then hell yes.
I saw it on ESPN while I was on the treadmill at the gym. You know how when you have headphones on, and loud music playing… how when you go to mutter something under your breath it’s way louder than you intend?
I don’t think the grey haired old lady next to me appreciated “Fucking son of a bitch!”
I don’t like the trade, I didn’t want Beltran, I expect his legs to spontaneously combust chasing down an Ethier fly ball. I expect opposing teams to IBB him and Giants batter to GiDP after him.
Maybe I’ll change my mind, usually I don’t voice my feelings about these things because I usually take a “wait and see” attittude… but I don’t like this trade.
wow
this from McC’s leading rosterbation hater!
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anyone else remember...
…that scene in Beverly Hills Cop 2 where the chief says:
“CARLOS IS SPANISH FOR CHARLES!!!”
No? I’m the only one? Figures. sigh
quiet Axel!
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by Giant Voodoo on Jul 27, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember the scene where Rosewood pulls out the RPG out of the trunk.
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Can I get Beltran's line for this year?
"For science. You monster."
baseball-reference.com
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Can I get a hallelujah!
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by say hey nation on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
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I always liked...
“If I could rearrange the alphabet, I’d put your sister and I together.”
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I will say this though
I think getting rid of Wheeler is a good indication that they’re going to sign Tim and Matt long term. You don’t get rid of your best pitching prospect if you don’t think you’re going to be set at the ML level for a while.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
was their signing really ever in doubt?
by The Franchise on Jul 27, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t be too sure of that. Playing in NY makes him a Big Star and I think he wants to be one (see marketing of his own logo). Plus, the Yankees are known to just hand over barrels of cash and make people an offer that’s hard to refuse
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
And that Wheeler is not as good as we all think
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Thus I would rely on the Giants who have more data points than us to judge.
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If that’s so obviously true, then the Mets shouldn’t have trade for him.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with this. Grant’s point is true — Wheeler is what the market demanded, apparently. (Part of me does think Sabean could have done better, but I don’t actually know that.)
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Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Umm… fans can scout and read stat lines. It’s not rocket science.
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
the amount of exposure
any fan can get to a prospect is likely to be around .1% of the exposure the team has to him. Fans can “scout and read stat lines” but teams will always know waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy more about their prospects (and other teams’ prospects that they’re interested in)
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Agree, mostly
Fans are able to glean information from sources (media) that an organization may overlook. Also, fans who regularly watch a player in the minor leagues may be able to work up information that even a team’s own scouts overlook. It’s unlikely, but possible.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It's possible
but then again, any fan who could pick up information a team overlooks on anything even close to resembling a regular basis could pretty easily get a job in the industry
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
There I disagree
Even guys like Bill James didn’t get a job in baseball until he’d been doing what he was doing for years. Baseball is a very, very tough industry to break in to.
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
what Bill James was doing
was (relatively) new to the industry. If you had enough of a scouting pedigree to actually notice things the team’s scouts were missing, and were able to call it consistently, I think they’d be all over you. Now if you were saying “hey my new stat x says y will be really good”, it will probably take a while, even if you’re right.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Most definitely
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
LOLU
/allocates money for Zito option year
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
hypothetical question
What if we were trying to get Michael Cuddyer?
You follow me, I'll follow you
http://ayeyooojerm.tumblr.com/
SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ???
I am a fan of the Warriors and Lakers. I can become a fan of both teams. Nothing wrong with that.
They could have Nick Noonan.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Live look-in at the negotiations
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 12:53 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
LOL GOOFUS
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
omg I missed him at first
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Awesome
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Got this link on Twitter:
http://www.sfdugout.com/content.php?1664-I%C2%92d-Trade-Wheeler-Now*&s=4a42cd7210b2fd80c015fd72ab43481d
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
EVERYONE
SHIFT YOUR PROSPECT PITCHER LOVE TO KYLE CRICK. WE LOVE KYLE CRICK. WE HAVE ALWAYS LOVED KYLE CRICK.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jul 27, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Even though he's a reliever
My heart still belongs to Heath Hembree!
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Blasphemy
Heath Hembree has a big, big fastball that misses bats!
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
SurKKKKKKKKKKmp
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I'M IN THE GODDAMN SURKAMP
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
i'm quite intriguied by Mr. crick
he probably won’t likely appear until 2014 huh?
by big logs Johnson on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran is nice and all
But Rowand better never be in the fucking lineup again after today. Seriously, cut his fucking ass. He’s the 7th best outfielder in the organization. Get the fuck out Rowand.
That is cray-z.
Where's Bondslegend when you need him?
Good job filling in though.
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
In a situtation like this
we are all bondslegend.
by Duelling Brandos on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, what...
I thought we are all Pedro Feliz, maybe we all have split personalities.
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
BLOG LINKED TO MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Rowand will platoon with Torres and replace Beltran in the sixth inning and every single game that we’re leading by fewer than four runs.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
One of those ands should be an in. I’ll let you figure out which.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If the game is close, you need the defense.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I really doubt it
(that Bochy would pull Beltran for D) considering Beltran is, you know, a good defender.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Well, I’m only being half serious. But I would suggest it would be more for his knee than the defensive boost.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey that means
tomorrow Tim pitches in Beltran’s first game with the Giants. Cool.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
No prospects for Beltran, please.
And the Phillie fans will boo Carlos lustily.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
haha
I hope he and Cody bat together in the order.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
/flight delayed
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
People seem to be forgetting something
And that something is how awesome Carlos Beltran is.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Very true
I’m actually cautiously optimistic about this deal. Rumor is that Boras wanted Beltran to go to SF because the Giants have the money and need to re-sign him.
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
dont think that is the issue
its that with no other offers on the table including a top tier pitcher, for Sabes to offer up Wheeler was a gross overpay. We went from Surkamp and Pegs to Wheeler and thats a tough pill to swallow.
Cain is Able ...
by Norcalfan10 on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather keep Surkamp and Pegs
and agian YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT OTHER TEAMS WERE OFFERING SO STOP ACTING LIKE YOU DO
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
the last part is not aimed at you specifically, but rather everyone who makes a comment along the lines of
“but no other team was offering even close to Wheeler”
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
fap-worthy
.285/.391/.513
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on Jul 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t forget. I would just prefer to have his awesomeness for less.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I just hope to sweet zombie jesus that he stays healthy
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I’m more concerned with the fact Cody/Nate/Belt will sit more in favor of Huff/Rowand
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
This really is annoying
but not Sabean’s fault.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
No prospects for Beltran, please.
If you give a kid a gun
Can you blame the kid for playing with the gun?
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t shake the feeling that there’s a less troubling illustration.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
If you give a kid an Aaron Rowand
Can you blame the kid for playing with the Aaron Rowand?
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Too late. I just filed a police report.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
It actually is.
Sabean can DFA Rowand after the game today.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Cautiously optimistic
My two worries are:
A) Beltran’s playtime will come at the expense of Belt, Burrell, Schierholtz and indirectly Torres.
B) Zack Wheeler will post a career 0.35 ERA against the Giants with a K/BB of infinity
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The “indirectly Torres” thing means Torres losing further PAs cause that’s one less spot for Rowand to get his apparently required time.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd rather him debut in cincy
Can’t stand CBP. Worst road environment in MLB?
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
Meh
He’s played enough games there
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
He's been on the Mets for years
Dude’s probably used to playing in Philadelphia
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
FIX YOUR TEETH, HIPPY
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
HEY TIM
WANNA SMOKE??
"For science. You monster."
Hippy*
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping to see Wheeler at the little Giants game tonight. Oh well, at least I’ll still have Turkey Mike’s.
I'm hoping
Brown is still around for later this week!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
/still trying to burn through the Living Social passes!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Or that family members have had free tickets to the other games I’ve gone to :)
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone care to guess what the corresponding roster move will be?
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 27, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions
Burriss gotta go
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Belt to AAA. I mean, he clearly needs more seasoning…
by 56yearslater on Jul 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Give him cumin!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Er.
Cumin him!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Rowand DFA'ed.
Nah, it’ll be Crawford to the minors.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I'm most okay with that
If he’s not starting in the majors, he should be getting constant playtime in AAA so he has a shot at starting next year.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
What will happen:
Belt sent down,
Hall DFA’d.
My hope:
Burriss sent down
Hall DFA’d
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Alex Smith DFAed
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6808032/oh-my-god-eagles-wait-alex-@#-ing-smith-again
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
They have too many infielders
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
how dare you
/signs Luis Castillo
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I cant even imagine the FREAKOUT
when Belt gets sent down………
"For science. You monster."
Dirty
We get Beltran and $ that can pay for Dirty’s next year of Arb. We lose Wheeler. For a guy who cannot keep his walks down, I would rather have a real hitter and a guy who has shown he cannot keep his walks down and still win big league games.
Pet peeve about this trade
People bringing up 2004 as evidence of a “clutch playoff performer”
It was 2004.
2011: A Tejada Odyssey: 15-Day DL
While it was 2004
THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS CLUTCH!!!!!
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
2006 too. Other than the called 3rd strike from Wainwright
by The Franchise on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My pet peeve about this trade
Is people assuming that it means Wheeler is bad.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
No, there’s a definite subgroup that are making a correlation between “Giants trade young pitcher” and “Young pitcher is bad.”
It’s annoying.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
What about my camp- mainly worried it’ll haunt us in 2-3 years when we don’t have anyone to replace people when our core players either bust the budget or sign elsewhere. But also looking forward to him in the lineup
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
not so much 'bad'
as ‘likely to not be valuable’ at least around here
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
“Bad” was probably unnecessarily strong. I just find this apparently blind readjustment of value to be weird. Occam’s Razor here isn’t that the team knows something sneaky about Wheeler that the Mets don’t. It’s that Wheeler, value and all, was what the market on Beltran was.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s sort of a Fox and the Grapes kind of thing. Sort of. Except the fox gave his grapes away for one night of meat. And it’s the other animals who are going “those grapes weren’t so great, anyway.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think it's more
“oh we may have been overrating him”, especially since fans tend to do that with prospects they know (and prospects in general)
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Haha
People at amzazin avenue were calling for Gary Brown and J sanch for Beltran, more like Jose Reyes. AMRITE??!!?
also the talked about Natto's
picture of voltron. Suck it mets!
If you could throw in those two for Reyes, would you do it?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Its' Gary Brown
so not really sure, but Reyes is an amazing shortstop.
People focus on the imporant things: THE MARINERS ARE ABOUT TO SNAP THEIR LOSING STREAK
and against the Yankees!
I'm guessing Keith Law will hate this from our side
He’s loved Wheeler.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He'll make a joke about Huff still playing.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Can you blame him though
I’m sure other people think Huff’s presence in their LOLineup over Belt is funny the way that we think Frank McCourt is hilarious.
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course I don't blame him.
I make that joke every day too.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
One thing I like about this trade
is that it’s risky. Wheeler could turn out to be awesome, Beltran could get injured or not re-sign after this season—in other words, this could all blow up in Sabean’s face.
The Giants didn’t have to do this trade; the ballpark is pretty much sold out the rest of the season, there’s a good chance they’d win the NL West without Beltran, and they could always hope to win the playoff crapshoot for a second year in a row once they’ve gotten in. I don’t think the average Giants fan would have been furious if they hadn’t gotten Beltran. After the Posey injury, I figured even a playoff appearance in 2011 would have been a bonus. Regroup and come back strong in 2012 with a more experienced Belt (LOL), a healthy Posey and Franchez.
So the fact that Sabean and the FO braintrust are willing to risk some future success for this small chance at repeating is pretty significant. The stakes have been raised, and what’s considered an acceptable performance has changed.
Agree? Disagree?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
by Kitspool on Jul 27, 2011 1:06 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
Largely agree
I would have been disappointed to see the deadline come and go. I think ownership and Sabean understood that, at least in some esoteric sense, they “owed” it to the fans to improve the team, and make a big splash. I’m glad they did.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'm rec'ing it
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
with you there
one of the main (justified) criticisms has been unwillingness to get a premier hitter, and here he is.
And rec’d for the Posey reference: I never thought this terrible offense could win as many games as they have, weak schedule to now or not.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree
I’m actually okay with the trade —especially if we can re-sign Beltran for 2 years. We need this guy. He will make everyone around him better, including Aubrey; you’ll see!
Don't believe everything you think.
Personally, I don’t mind the trade. I don’t think that the Giants’ window for winning another World Series is particularly big. This year and next year, and then I think their likelihood of winning another World Series takes a hit. Beltran doesn’t make the Giants a World Series favorite or anything, but he definitely gets them closer than they were previously.
There is nothing wrong with a “win now” type of trade. Shoot, Grant was just admiring the Brewers the other day for doing the same type of thing. I think the problem for Giants fans (myself included), is that we have been so scarred by Sabean’s inability in the past to recognize appropriate times to win now vs. rebuild, that we assume everything is a bad move.
Perhaps Wheeler becomes a very good player in the future. That doesn’t mean that, had we kept him, he would have been a key part of a team with a shot to win the World Series. The Giants just traded him for someone who will.
I can’t hate that.
Why do you think the Giants window is so short? After next year, we would still have Belt, Posey, Sandoval, Lincecum, and Cain.
Not necessarily
Cain is a FA after the 2012 season.
If you haven't yet learned . . .
. . . repeating is very very difficult. Prolonged championships almost impossible, especially with free agency. This is a good deal. Try to win NOW. And maybe, just maybe, Beltran will stay and be productive another 2 years.
Don't believe everything you think.
Forget that last.
He is, by all reckoning, 99-44/100% probable to go the FA route.
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Seattle has broken the game wide open. Looks like the streak will end at 17 games.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Finally
Good for them. Against the Yankees as well
"For science. You monster."
For everyone poo poo'ing "pitching prospects"
Remember we could have traded Timmy for Alex Rios.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
My dad reminded me of this trade last night
And then I had a good cry/laugh/sigh…
Yeah what josh said
Timmy was coming off a cy-young year, Wheeler hasn’t thrown in the majors just yet.
your year's wrong
but he was still WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ahead of where Wheeler is.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Sup?
You guys talk a lot so it took me a while to get through this thread:
- I agree with jctgamer in terms of feelings about this trade/Sabean
- Hopefully this is another Alderson/Sanchez trade without Beltran being made of Gram Crackers
- Amazon.com sent me the entire Harry Potter collection for no reason (didn’t order it/not a gift) so I actually get the Rowena Ravenclaw/Helena Ravenclaw/Tom Riddle jokes upthread
- I think I’m gonna have homemade pizza for lunch
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:10 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah, it’s weird too because I’d just started watching the movies last week since people wanted to watch them. But nobody’s taking credit for sending them and there’s no slip.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Secret admirer, stalker. Potato, potahto.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I really hope that guy doesn’t have my address in real life.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh hey
Your whereabouts were the subject of inquiry a few threads ago.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Oh really? I didn’t think I’d been gone long enough for anyone to notice. Plus I’m still around twitter every once and a while.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew you’re on Twitter, but there was so much Jeff Sullivan discussion here I was wondering why you didn’t chime in.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
Hahaha, dang! So sorry I missed that discussion. I’m sure we’ll have another one though, lol.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you see Natto's Jeff Sullivan Signal?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Was it good?
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
i had a girlfriend named Rowena
she was a whore
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Ooooh, I’m telling!
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
The funny thing is, I’m not obligated to tell Amazon, but I tried to anyway. You can’t call them, so I sent off a couple emails but got no response. So now I’m going to keep them, read them, and then sell them on Amazon, haha.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait
….you’re a girl?
"I say what's on my mind, and more often than not, it's factually based."
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Just like Graham. And Heimy.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
They should put up a rail
Because you walked right into the chasm.
I know you’re a girl, didn’t we start the whole “who’s a girl on Mcc” list?
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait what? I didn’t fall in, I was continuing the joke, silly. Neither Graham nor Heimy are girls.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I fell in
Didn’t connect Graham to Grahamcrackalacka or Heimy, guess I’ve been gone for too long.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Haven’t you seen the .gif?
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually don’t really understand that whole thing. I was gone for a few days and then there was this new meme with no explanation.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Explanation: I made the stupid mistake of admitting I was in a Will Hung music video in college and then made the monumentally stupid mistake of saying which part I was in. Natto then took the liberty of turning me in to a dancing gif for the gameday thread (although I don’t think it was ever actually used or it was only used once because the Giants thankfully picked that time to suck).
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ummmm.....
You wouldn’t happen to have a link would you?
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah.
I went to school with that guy. He wouldn’t sign an autograph for my roommate.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Just check out the “She Bangs” video.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, now I remember why I left
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Z
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT IT'S YOU!!
/rubs eyes IT’S YOU!!
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Imagine if PHI or ATL got Beltran
We’d be pretty much fucked.
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I don't see Beltran as much improvement for the Phils.
Braves is a different story.
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Bigger story than the no-hitter!
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Obviously I haven't looked this up but...
No hitters happen more frequently than 17 game losing streaks… I’d say it’s bigger news!
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Well this feels weird
I’ve wanted the giants to be in WIN NOW mode for a long time, and if trading your best prospect for 3 months of Carlos Beltran isn’t WIN NOW, I don’t know what is.
Now I’ll have to see if I was an idiot or not.
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Love the trade
if it’s Beltran-for-Wheeler. Beltran gives us a chance to go for the rings again and you never know if a pitching prospect is going to work out. If it’s Beltran-for-Brown I’m more uneasy, as I was already penciling him in the lineup for next year. Is it a given that we won’t be able to sign Beltran beyond the end of the year?
Wow
Id advise against just penciling guys in the major league lineup who have never played above high A ball
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by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not a given . . .
. . . that the sun won’t go nova tonight. But there are reasonable positions on both probabilities, that and Beltran re-upping outside the FA market.
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Wow so this is probably the biggest news-day of the season, right?
Two major trades, a no-hitter, ending a massive losing streak?
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AND TWINS
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I’ve been watching ESPN and all they’re talking about is football. At least Sportsnation is on now.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Mmmmmm Michelle Beadle
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LOVE. HER.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Tejada, Rowand, Zito for Beltran
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:16 PM PDT reply actions
Willingham and Upton seemed pretty Meh, Pence seemed to expensive
But i’m pissed we didn’t get in on that Rasmus action instead.
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If Sabes had to give up Wheeler
He should have gone after Pence or Upton. Wheeler and some C-level prospect would have certainly brought back either of those 2 guys. Pence would be around through the 2013 season and Upton through the 2012 season. Sabes traded Wheeler at was likely to be one of the lowest points, in terms of value, of his minor league career.
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Pence yes, Upton no
Not that I don’t like Upton, just that he’s almost equal to Wheeler in that he’s really just a prospect, but one that you’ll have less control over.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you really like Pence in our outfield?
by KrazyKrabMeat on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I really like his bat
And don’t think he would be too bad in LF.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure about lowest points
He was still highly touted and ranked on mostly all top 100 prospect lists. He could still definitely degrade into Tyler Matzek or Tim Alderson.
A reporter just tweeted
That they “checked in” on Pence before they did Beltran. I’m assuming that means Sabean said “here’s what I’m giving up for Beltran. Will you give me Pence for it?” And then the Astros said no.
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Yeah, they would have had to give up more than Wheeler for Pence, but that was due to the team control through 2013.
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Beltran is certainly better, right now, than Upton or Pence, and Sabean probably believes that Brown or Peguero will be in the mix in a couple years.
I understand taking the long view, but Sabean is certainly trying to win right now, and there’s a benefit to that.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll add the one caveat, once again, it’s possible that Sabes has some agreement with Beltran and Boras that they will sign an extension with the Giants before opting for FA at the end of this season. I see this as a slight possibility, because there was some rumors from other teams that Boras was steering Beltran to the Giants as the best place for him in the coming seasons.
The biggest problem that I have with giving up so much of our future for Beltran is that Beltran’s presence on the team in no way guarantees that we even make it back to the WS this year. Basically, with this trade Sabes has stated that if we don’t win the WS this year then he blew the trade. The Giants were almost assured of winning the NL West without Beltran on the team.
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I guess there’s only one thing left to do.
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Exactly my point. With Beltran on the team anything less than a WS ring is a big failure, because Beltran is gone as soon as the season is over.
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I don't know
Their offense is pretty bad, and while they do have a 3 game lead, the D-Backs have a lighter schedule the second half and Bork refuses to play Belt. I could reasonably see the Diamondbacks being 4 games better than the Giants from here out with a little luck.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Stephen Drew out for the season. Starting rotation and bullpen can’t compete with the Giants.
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I agree, I just said it was reasonable, not likely, but not highly unlikely either. They’ve got guys pitching over their heads and that can continue for them the same way it continued for San Diego last year. Plus you don’t know who they’ll add before the deadline.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
This
they are scaring the shit out of me with that easy schedule and our failure to win against good teams on the road.
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I think
that’s a non-crazy scenario but wonder if they will spend the money. I guess they won’t have Cody’s salary then.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
He should have gone after Pence or Upton. Wheeler and some C-level prospect would have certainly brought back either of those 2 guys.
You have absolutely no idea if this is true.
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by Viliphied on Jul 27, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That would be the Phillies offer that we have no confirmed source on? You have no idea what the Phils might have talked about with Houston.
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and neither do you
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Also completely false
considering the Phillies gave up their two top prospects plus others and still got turned down for Pence.
Upton is nowhere as good as Beltran. Only good thing about him is that he has one more year.
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So, guys.
Word is that Wheeler isn’t Pedro Martinez in his prime, OR Greg Maddux. He’s just not it.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
BANNED
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Play Carroll at SS
And platoon Fontenot and Keppinger at 2B
That’s a good increase in production right there.
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ZiPS has Fontenot outhitting Carroll RoS.
Carroll might be slightly better defensively. SSS on both sides.
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by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
...
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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No one left to deal for though...who do you have in mind?
I thought when people were talking Wheeler AND Brown, that Paulino was going to be included in the deal as well.
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3:11pm: The Giants and Mets have reached a tentative agreement on a Beltran trade, report Rosenthal and Morosi.
Hmmm. Now it’s tentative? Tentative in that Beltran has to approve leaving the dysfunction factory that is the Mets?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions
I think MLB has to approve it
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Various reports Wednesday afternoon are putting Carlos Beltran in a Giants uniform, possibly as soon as today.
It probably helps that we’re on the east coast.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Murph: “Okay, now your left leg in. Left. Your left. That’s your arm. Left leg. L—”
[knee injury]
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
heyman praising Wheeler
“one of the best pitching prospects in baseball” Ugh.
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He's what, 13th?
random guess
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by slackersphere17 on Jul 27, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions
GOOFUS WAS RIGHT!
From the draftday thread after Wheeler was picked:
Not crazy about the pick, but I’ll bet we trade him for a Beltran-type hitter in a deadline deal as we try to defend our WS title in a couple years.
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by Goofus on Jun 9, 2009 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Jul 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 12 recs
Wow
The fact that you could find that with SBN’s limited search capabilities is the truly remarkable part.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well that’s pretty amazing
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Shopped!
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, right!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL WUT?
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Is that Curt Hennig or Lex Luger?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Giant Dirtbags: :(
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
SBNation keeps logging me out
This is irritating
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We broke the interwebz.
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LOL!
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How attached is Bochy to No.15? “Nothing a Rolex couldn’t fix.”
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What is the signifigance of 15 to Beltran?
I’d rather Bruce keep it.
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I wish people would stop @ replying him. He probably doesn’t want to think about it until it’s official.
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 27, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
@extrabaggs
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The Beltran deal is done. Just pending approval by league and CB.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I'm always kinda sad
when prospects are traded away. I can be consoled with another dangerously-pointy trophy, but still.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
See, you got to try it my way: pay no attention to anybody until they’re in on the ML team!
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That’s my problem. I love the minors. I have to stop getting so attached, though. Most of them, you have no idea where they’ll be by the next year.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
me too
San Jose is where I can actually get to see them, and they seem to channel all the future big leaguers through there. They often skip Augusta/Salem etc.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG HIS HANDS
are huge!
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So where will beltran play and hit?
LF? Lead off or 2 hole?
LF, 3 or 4 spot
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran/Ross-Torres platoon/Nate?
With Rowand on bench and Belt back in Fresno?
If only
More like Beltran RF, Torres/Rowand platoon CF, Ross/Schierholtz platoon LF
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
At this point in the season though, I’d rather have Nate’s bat in the lineup on a more consistent basis than Rowand, Torres, or Ross.
If there’s one that I’d like Ideally, is that you’d start Ross later on in September, he gets MASSIVELY HOT… We face Philly in the NLCS, and he repeats as the NLCS MVP…
It should be Torres CF, Beltran LF, Nate/Ross RF, period.
But Rowand will find a way.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Beltran should play RF over Ross.
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Maybe. I’m not actually that clear in Beltran’s defense. I just know he has knees or something.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Can Nate play CF?
Beltran needs to play LF for us. We won the World Series partially because of a broken old man (Vlad) in RF, we should not lose another because of Beltran’s arrogance. Then Nate in CF and Ross in RF or Torres in CF with Nate in RF and Rowand superglued to the bench and only able to move when we’re losing and he wants to hit a meaningless pinch-hit HR.
by 56yearslater on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran is a plus defender in the corners
Your Vlad comp is ridiculous.
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Only a little. I just don’t trust Beltran to learn how to field balls off RF or cover Triple’s Alley.
by 56yearslater on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Absolutely true. Although given that Schierholtz (and Ross) are good defenders, with Schierholtz having an especially good arm, and being accustomed to RF at AT&T, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Beltran in LF.
I also wouldn’t be surprised to see some Beltran in CF when Torres isn’t there.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point in his career, Beltran doesn’t cover more ground that Nate.
Not to mention that you want to let Beltran conserve his energy for his ABs. Having to play RF in AT&T would be a big stress on him.
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Beltran might be best suited for left
But comping him to Vlad is silly.
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Oh, yeah
Right now, he’s light years better than Vlad ever was in his prime. Vlad’s basic calling card was the cannon arm.
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Wait what Beltran’s arrogance?
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
+1
Nate’s arm in RF is the clincher. Nate covers as much ground in RF as Beltran does at this point in Beltran’s career, but Nate’s arm is a true weapon in RF.
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#beltransarrogance
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that's what Brandon Belt was secretly blogging about
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
reading between the lines
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To me
Ross, Schierholtz, and Torres all sort’ve exist on roughly the same plane. I don’t think there’s a wrong answer in terms of which should lose the most PT to Beltran, who is head and shoulders above each of them.
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I meant if Ross and Beltran are playing.
I’d rather see Beltran in RF.
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Oh OK
Yeah probs. But that’s splittin hairs.
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Despite his current line, I think Torres is better offensively than Ross or Schierholtz, and better by far defensively at a more premium position. I don’t have him on the same plane.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
And if Torres is losing any time, it’s not going to be to Beltran. It’s going to be to Rowand.
So I think there is a wrong answer.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Having had more time to think about this one, I guess I might be going too far.
I would simply not be surprised if any playtime Torres loses is to Rowand. I won’t pretend it’s a fact, though.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate>Torres right now
Nate’s bat + Nate’s arm > The range and speed of Torres
by 56yearslater on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
In the exact same amount of PA (285), Torres has been worth .5 WAR more.
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Sure
I mean, if I had to pick one, it’d be Torres. I loves my son. All I’m saying is that you’re dealing down in to pretty small fractions.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
@AlexPavlovic
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Carlos Beltran will become #SFGiants leader in runs, hits, doubles, triples, home runs, RBIs, walks, OPS, etc. This just might work.
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In fairness so would like
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Pablo stays as the best hitter on the team, right?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
This will be a good test of the “no protection from other batters” hypothesis.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I found this posted by Fla-Giant in last night's "minor lines"
And I wanted to re-post it to assuage some fears about the lack of depth in the farm system. Tidrow has this team pretty well-positioned for the future. Here it is:
The (pitching) future is bright. The great starts by Kendry Flores and De Jesus yesterday got me to thinking of the state of the starting pitching in our system. While the upper minors are incredibly thin in major league candidates (basically we have only Surkamp and Verdugo), and Zack Wheeler is a stud with an incredibly high upside in A+ ball, the lower minors (below A+) are really getting well-stocked with a group of teenage hurlers that appear to have real major league potential. I can’t remember when the Giants had this much depth in their pool of young starting pitchers in the leagues below full-season A ball. This group seems very promising – especially in its depth: Kendry Flores, Brandon Allen, Lorenzo Mendoza, Kyle Crick, Clayton Blackburn, Edwin Escobar, Demondre Arnold, Joan Gregorio, Adam Paulencu, Adalberto Mejia, Enmanuel De Jesus, Alejandro Flores, Simon Mercedes
This doesn’t even include high school draftee Tyler Leslie who we still might sign, or the (relatively) older Mike Kickham and Josh Osich (if we sign him).
I know this made me feel better, at least. Yes, Wheeler was the furthest progressed of any young, high-upside arm in the system, but at some point I think Sabean saw the good-sized pile of high-upside arms Tidrow has collected for him and decided the farm could take the hit to WIN NOW!
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Hey
You beat me by 1 minute. I was just about to cut-and-paste that here.
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dealing from an organizational strength
to add an all-star at $2m to repair a potentially fatal ML flaw is worth the gamble.
Hall or Hinshaw.
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I'd guess Hall
But Hinshaw would make sense too.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t Hall still on the DL?
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by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 27, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Once everything else is ended
Hinshaw will still be on the 40 man
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I wonder if the FO just forgot he’s on it.
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by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
According to a baseball official Mets general manager Sandy Alderson was determined to turn Beltran into an elite prospect – seeking out Wheeler from the Giants, along with Brandon Belt and Gary Brown.
I have to assume this meant Alderson wanted one of those three players. He wasn’t really expecting all three in exchange for two months of Beltran, was he?
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This
If they’re not ever going to play him, send him to NY.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Davis.
I would kill sabes if he did that deal.
Meanwhile...
Bruce Bochy farts in Belt’s face as he passes him on the bench, heading over to give Huff a high-five after grounding out to the second baseman.
by Every6thDay on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
40 man move is easy
DFA Hinshaw or Hall (although for some reason, I feel like I’ve read something saying you can’t DFA someone while they’re on the DL. Anyone know anything about this?)
25 man move is a whole different topic. I’d love to see Rowand DFA’d…but that won’t happen. Belt probably sent down? But then what happens when Burrell is back? DL-palooza until September?
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
Hall is eligible to come off the DL
They would activate him, then DFA him.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
For myself, I would much rather . . .
. . . have Bill Hall on my team than Aaron Rowand (or Miguel Tejada, let’s not forget Miggy).
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All the time.
As mrs o has observed, when he’s in a game, he’s like a a Silent (Dr Who reference). You get a little rally started, you begin thinking who’s coming up, then suddenly there’s Tejada, whom you had totally blanked out of your mind.
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AmazinAvenue says we can’t have the Voltron nickname :[
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Then they can’t have Wheeler.
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by rotorueter on Jul 27, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
rec'd
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck 'em
They get Wheeler, we can call him whatever we want.
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+1
If I want to call him Carlito Veltropilopolous they have absolutely nothing to say about it.
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
ONE OF THEM ADMITTED IT
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
What are they going to do? Sue us for infringing on someone else’s copyrighted Voltron image?
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by Smoke on the Water on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
With blackjack! And hookers!
I have a tumblr. I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Can Beltran play SS?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I cant convince two of my friends that the trade isnt Culberson and Peguero.
Told them to stop watching CSN and listening to KNBR
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
For the record, my fake draft day post aboput Wheeler was fake
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Jul 27, 2011 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Only n00bs would have bought it
Goofus would never criticize a Giants draft pick on the day of the draft!
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Should've seen that
Does this mean that I’ve been reverted to n00b status?
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Your fake was a fake?
DOES THAT MEAN IT WAS REAL?!
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
lol lol rec'd
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Next week’s Franchise episode will be interesting.
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Indeed
hope the have some airtime for tranny, instead of zeet’s doucheyness.
Thanks for reminding me about the new episode tonight.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
A new character? They’re obviously running out of ideas.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
by waelwulf on Jul 27, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
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by Prussian Creole on Jul 27, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Sooo.. Beltran is going to SF..
Then in the offseason when Reyes is figuring out where to play, he’ll call up his buddy Carlos to get the good reviews.
Reyes then will hit 74 triples. Breaking Bonds record. That doesnt make sense
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
Apparently, Beltran threw a going-away party for teammates and staffers last night in Cincy.
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they are all leaving the Mets too?
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What an arrogant prick!
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
#beltransarrogance
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I remember this from the first of 3 threads with 1800 posts today
and I remember thinking “he’d only do that if he knew he was going” and therefore I can’t think his “approval” is pending much more.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Plaxico Burress is apparently choosing between the Steelers and the Giants...
Shortstop?
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by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:38 PM PDT reply actions
plaxico gotta go
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by rotorueter on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hear he’s got a real gun from the hole.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
He should go back to NY. Chemistry with Manning
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Some scattered thoughts:
There is barely over 1/3 of the season left to play; any impact Beltran has compared to whichever player or players he replaces is thus 1/3 of what it would be over a full season.
No one can ever know how Bruce Bochy will arrange his toys (not even Bruce Bochy). If Beltran is taking play time that Pat Burrell could have had, the gain is tiny, at most a couple of runs added to the team total, which is negligible. If he is taking time from Ross or Schierholtz—which one would think much more likely—the gain is real but still small, maybe 7 runs or so, which is at best one extra win. My guess is that Burrell, whom Bochy obviously disdains (for whatever reason) will be the loser, which makes the acquisition fairly unimportant.
(We can’t know what the cost/benefit would be if Belt would otherwise have gotten play time, but if we are optimistic about him, we can consider him a push with Burrell, or possibly even Beltran, so again the replacement is essentially a sideways step.)
Meanwhile, the repeated use of Aaron Rowand is the much more important story: he is eating time that should be given to Torres. Not only is a really crappy player getting extended play time, but he is seriously interfering with Torres’ getting back on track by keeping him from live pitching; if this is a platoon, it’s a disastrous way of making one bum and one good player into one bum and a struggling guy.
It remains to be seen if Belt will now be used to push Huff out of play time, turning two probably good hitters into one probably good hitter and a so-so bench guy.
All in all, this deal, if it go through, will have almost no real effect.
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by owlcroft on Jul 27, 2011 1:39 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The real effect will be not having Wheeler for 6 years.
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
This trade is 100% for the playoffs.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Only time a trade like this makes sense is when you are tied and can reasonably predict an upgrade will get you into the playoffs.
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EXACTLY
The playoffs are a total crapshoot; to sacrifice future regular season wins for playoff improvement is idiotic.
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. . . every time I read the phrase “the playoffs are a crapshoot”, which I believe was especially popularized by Billy Beane repeating it on many occasions.
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I think you guys are over simplfying this a bit
what is the attrition rate of 21-y-o A ball arms?
does it matter how good the pitcher is (k/9, BA rating)
we are also assuming that we make the playoffs… I know BP has it at 97% but that’s obviously high. It’s had not adjusted for injuries to the Giants or an improved Diamondbacks team (they are still projected to be a .450 team). Component wise the Giants are ~54-49, 6th in the NL and 1 game ahead of Arizona. A 4 game lead and some shot at the wild card (obviously Atlanta would have to tank worse than us) goes a long way… but there’s not guarentee. Beltran does shift the odds here a little. How much… not sure.
This doesn’t mean – from a pure long term value standpoint – that you are wrong, and this is a bad trade. But I am not sure it’s as bad as you make it out to be. Trading a prospect (note singular) for a renter who is a clear (if not stratospheric) upgrade is kind of like taking out a loan (in real life). The Giants are “borrowing” future potential to increase the chance of a repeat title.
And the fact that playoff series’ are crap shoots are somewhat biased by the fact that only good teams actually, you know, make the playoffs. And it IS true that statistically, a better team has a better chance of pulling out a 5 or 7 game series. Maybe not much, but it’s not zero.
The Giants’ offense is very bad. Like, “not really playoff caliber at all” bad. We can put the upgrade of Beltran over Ross/Churros/Rowand as ~1-2 WAR. But it’s also 120 RC+ to ~100RC+ or so (depending on the Rowand coefficient). Zips projects him to hit .372/.471 ROS. That makes him immediately our best hitter, even if Wilson lays hands on Posey tomorrow and heals him.
And hell, it’s a 21-year old A-baller with > 5 BB/9 in his MiLB career. TANSTAPL and Flags Fly Forever. Even 4% increases in FFF%
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For myself, I'm not calling it a bad trade.
I think of it as a needless, useless trade that cost a potentally valuable pitcher or trade chip for something that just isn’t much difference from what was available already and which will necessarily send some good player or players down to less playing time. For Wheeler’s perceived value (and I think it is perceived MLB-wide as good), could not some more useful part have been obtained? Something that doesn’t virtually duplicate available talent? A star or near-star SS or 2B or C?
Shrug. It’s just a step sideways. No harm, but no notable good.
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I still don't see
how Beltran “virtually duplicate[s] available talent”
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About . . .
. . . the same offensive value as Burrell (remember, this is 1/3 of a season, which cuts the annualized difference in production by that amount), and not drastically better than Schierholtz or Ross. As I keep endlessly repeating, differences in player ability have less effect than commonly reckoned: replacing a pretty mediocre player with a really good player typically means maybe three extra wins over a full season. This is 1/3 of a season, and the replaced players are none of them “pretty mediocre”.
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actually, if by mediocre, you mean average
they’re pretty much all “pretty mediocre”
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"Mediocre"?
You reckon Schierholtz, Ross, and Torres are “emdiocre” players? Or even just batters?
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"mediocre" as in average?
Schierholtz and Ross, yes.
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Schierholtz is quite probably below average
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Ross is a slightly above average hitter
but below average for a corner OF, but with good enough D to make up for it.
Schierholtz is likely one of the worst hitting corner OFs in the majors, but plays very good D, maybe enough to make up for it.
Burrell hits slightly above average for a corner OF, but, again, with defense that makes up for it.
Torres is good.
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Schierholtz is likely one of the worst hitting corner OFs in the majors, but plays very good D, maybe enough to make up for it.
This is crazy. What’s your evidence for this claim? If you go by his performance this season, based on any reasonable metric (wOBA, wRC+, OPS) his offense is solidly in the middle of the pack among corner OF. And his actual performance has so closely mirrored the projections that it’s hard to consider it a fluke.
It's pretty easy to consider it a fluke
when you take into account the 700 PA before that. Even if you give those a bump from the “part time player effect” he’s still been hitting over his head this season.
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his total career wRC+ to date
would put him in the bottom 10 of all OF.
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sorry
all full time OF
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partially agree
Wheeler for a healthy Reyes would have been better. But I think you are somehow underrating Beltran or overrating Giants OF.
I will admit how it’s quite curious that trading some A-baller for a guy who immediately is your best hitter isn’t an obvious, calculable win. It’s almost a DIPS-like disconnect.
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Year Tm Opp G PA AB R H 2B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG
2004 HOU ATL 5 24 22 9 10 2 4 9 1 4 .455 .500 1.091
2004 HOU STL 7 32 24 12 10 1 4 5 8 4 .417 .563 .958
2006 NYM LAD 3 14 9 2 2 0 0 1 5 2 .222 .500 .222
2006 NYM STL 7 31 27 8 8 1 3 4 4 3 .296 .387 .667
2 Seasons (4 Series) 22 101 82 31 30 4 11 19 18 13 .366 .485 .817
2 NLDS 8 38 31 11 12 2 4 10 6 6 .387 .500 .839
2 NLCS 14 63 51 20 18 2 7 9 12 7 .353 .476 .804
Provided by Baseball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 7/27/2011.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Like I was saying...
It’s completely a trade for the postseason. The Giants FO is assuming we’re going to make the playoffs, and they’re smart enough to know that one player doesn’t make a huge difference in just 60 games. However, one player can make a huge difference over 11-19 games….
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps you would care to elaborate on that.
What doesn’t matter in a number of games matters more in a lot fewer games?
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Gotta go now.
But there’s a reply of mine to calbearjd on this point that, I think, is just as applicable to your point.
I hope you get to reading it and think about the ideas expressed therein.
You seem to be ignoring Beltran v. Burrell in the field.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
n00b to owlcroft
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
he usually doesn't consider fielding to a great degree in his analyses
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ah. I guess I haven’t been paying close enough attention for, uhhh, years
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, Pat Burrell is just as good a hitter now as he was in 2002. Because he’s made of dice. Or coins. I forget which.
Yeah that just doesn’t make sense offensively or defensively.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Which "that" are you addressing?
Fielding metrics, most especially those for individuals, are not useful for much. FanGraphs puts Burrell’s fielding as worth +13.4 runs last season and -13.0 runs this season; if that is supposed to be meaningful, I’d love to know how. For his career, they list him at -6.6, which is not terrifically below average. If you pay heed to it.
[A] player’s UZR, be it one year, one month or 5 years, is not necessarily what happened on the field and is not necessarily that player’s true talent level over that period of time either.That is not from some dire critic of UZR: it is from Mitchel Lichtman, the man who invented it.
Meanwhile, Burrell’s offense looks just fine.
So which “that” were you addressing?
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now you're being disingenuous.
and -5/season is solidly “bad”. It’s not terrible, but it’s probably 1-1.5 wins worse than Beltran over the course of a season.
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Beltran’s +4/season in center according to UZR, +6/season according to DRS, +10 according to Total Zone. So you’re looking at a difference probably north of 20 runs per season.
That said, Burrell seems to be about as good as he ever was in the field, while Beltran looks a lot slower than he used to be.
Burrells CAREER UZR/150
in OF/LF is -6. That includes back when he was young and spry. He is a bad outfielder.
He is a good hitter, but net as a LF he’s mediocre at best. At least he’s cheap.
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Come now.
I already noted that as recently 2010 he was listed as +13 or over. I also quoted UZR’s own inventor on its qualities as a metric. But even if one insists on taking it seriously, Burrell is half a win’s worth of runs under average. Meanwhile, Beltran’s numbers the last three seasons (including this one) are below average, albeit for two of them as a center fielder. So even worshippers at the altar of UZR aren’t going to show any drastic defensive difference on relatively recent numbers. But I do not belong to that congregation anyway.
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you're right!
Half a season’s worth of rate stats invalidates his career! That’s why 2008 proves Nate is a .370 wOBA hitter!
I’m not sure if you’re deliberately misrepresenting UZR, or just being obtuse. Knowing you, probably the latter.
The true talent defensive difference between Burrell and Beltran is 1-1.5 wins, based on their respective careers.
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really you lost me here
under what metrics is Burrell an average OF? He had a good UZR year last year. Like (in fact, exactly analogous) having a good BABIP year. I guess BBR rates him worth 0 over his career, but he is hold and his knees are cranky, so I think -5/yr is a pretty reasonable estimate of his current ability to play LF.
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Where did I say "average"?
I said a little below average. And let me repeat this—
[A] player’s UZR, be it one year, one month or 5 years, is not necessarily what happened on the field and is not necessarily that player’s true talent level over that period of time either.—which is from the guy who invented UZR.
I also am puzzled by the way that first the exact metrics are quoted, then a vague handwaved eyeball test is applied. If you want eyeball, Burrell is an outfielder whose chief liability is average to somewhat below average speed, which means somewhat limited range, but who has very good ball judgement, a good and accurate arm, and reliably knows where to throw the ball. Last year he was a fine fielder within his range limitations, and pretty decent overall; this year he has, on a couple of occasions, bobbled a ball—which has nothing to do with range or knees—in an uncharacteristic way; with his limited play time, it doesn’t take much of that to lower any formal metrics quite a bit. It’s like saying Bumgarner is not a real good pitcher owing to an ERA hit by that single dreadful outing.
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you could say most of the same thing
about his batting average.
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by zenbitz on Jul 27, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Now the question is; Why not?
Since I seem to be reading that Beltran and Burrell are virtually indistinguishable from each other, why would the Giants trade for Beltran?
And why will Beltran start every game?
Are the Giants idiots?
In a word? Yes.
Bochy has consistently acted as if Burrell was a mediocre hitter. That is probably in part because Bochy cannot escape the false identity cheap=bad, but also no doubt in part because to him batting averages south of .250 are crap, damn all this new-fangled OPB or POB or whatever it is; gimme ribbies an’ dingers and a high BA, an’ ta hell with all that cheatin’ the game. Or something of the sort.
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Whether or not that’s true, In the playoffs, with individual games on the line, it won’t feel like no real effect to see that bat in the middle of the order.
That’s not an argument. It’s just a statement of feeling. I understand what little weight it holds.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think there is concern as to the Giants getting into the playoff. But a single player can have great effect in the playoffs (see Ross, Cody) . If Beltran allows the Giants to get over the Braves/Phillies and maybe win the WS. the WAR factor is almost irrelevant.
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No.
The WAR factor is almost irrelevant.
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That example contradicts the argument.
The reality is that in short series, anybody can have a great effect. The differences between players are marginalized, and Ross has a much greater chance to be a hero in the playoffs relative to, say, Halladay, than he does in the regular season.
No because we’re talking about percentage here. Of course Beltran can come here and stink in the playoff making the trade look awful. But the chances are that he can and will contribute both in the regular season and playoffs.
The ancillary benefits are also downplayed. Panda will get better pitches to hit, the lineup will have a one less sucky guy in it, we can now play defensive players in the lineup because the offense portion is a lot less important. There is a reason why Carlos Ruiz is a lot scarier batting 8th than 5th.
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Beltran gives the Giants a significant upgrade offensively in any given game. Considering the difference between winning a series and losing one in the playoffs is probably 1-2 games, having Beltran materially increases the chance of the Giants moving on in the playoffs than without him.
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I still agree with this.
I’ll re-phrase my point, though, because I’m not sure you’re following. Wheeler has some kind of value, right? Sabes can trade him for a Beltran or he can trade him for some player that makes the team comparably better for the entire 2012 season (to some degree… the player will probably be a bit worse).
Which is the better option? My response: the 2012 season, with its sample of 162 games, is more deterministic; talent rises to the top, so to speak. On the other hand, the 2011 playoffs can have a sample of as few as 3 games. Talent differences are greatly marginalized in such a setting.
So if Sabean was to trade Wheeler for something that was reasonably probable to make an improvement (and by that I mean major league talent), trading for regular season improvement has a much higher expected return.
Note also that given the random nature of the playoffs, the most important step to winning the World Series is getting there in the first place. So in my book, making the 2012 or 2013 team more likely to get into the playoffs in a more deterministic setting is a much more palatable option than trying to take a 2011 team and “push it through” the playoff series.
That’s why making trades “for the playoffs” is (as an old poster here might say) Flat Ass Dumb.
Yes, Beltran will make the team better. That doesn’t mean I have to like it.
by dregarx on Jul 27, 2011 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've been trying to say this in several conversations with different people.
This is probably the best re-iteration, because longer.
I have lab now, but I hope “yankees_suck” and “Gmen” and others see this post, because I think it best articulates my point.
Excellent.
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or
perhaps, if the prize was going to be awarded anyway, do it in June or earlier when there’s more time left in the season.
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by natteringnabob on Jul 27, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Whence "significant"?
[W]hen you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, you know something about it; but when you cannot measure it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your knowledge is of a meagre and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of knowledge, but you have scarcely in your thoughts advanced to the state of science, whatever the matter may be.
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So what is the test for “significance” of adding Beltran to the lineup over Burrell or Belt or even Schierholtz in any one game? (Recall that the difference between a .260 hitter and a .300 hitter both playing full-time is about a hit a week.)
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what is the probability
that Wheeler puts up any above average seasons as an MLB starter? Let alone becomes a star. I mean, let’s say that the trade was say, Barry Zito + cash for Beltran. Great deal for the Giants right? Well, depends on the cash. But (I think) the odds are against Wheeler putting up ZITO LIKE MLB NUMBERS for the next 2-3 years (or rather 2-3 years after he gets out of AAA)
I agree that the upgrade is marginal – but it is an upgrade. In order to numerically declare this deal “bad” you have to show what the estimated value of Wheeler is on the same scale. Then, you would have to adjust for the fact that the Giants are in a playoff race, while in 2014-2017 they might not be. In fact, one would HAVE to conclude that it’s improbable that the Giants are in first place in NLW/Wilid card in August first in any given future year.
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I am unclear on . . .
. . . how Wheeler’s possible quantum futures affect the significance of Beltran’s replacing some current Giants outfielder in winning some one game. I do not call the deal “bad”, and said so explicitly in an earler post. I do call it almost pure sidweways, and so am asking, again, for the basis of your postulating that Beltran’s presence makes a “significant” difference in the Giants’ ability to win some arbitrary single game.
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OK
you project a lot of rage (disgust) for a sideways deal. I agree it’s not a game changer so to speak.
But I think 30 points of wOBA over 40 games + postseason is not chopped liver. Especially for a team that’s smoke-and-mirrors it’s way to 27-13 record in 1-run games.
And that’s compared purely to Burrell’s wOBA, which is the best of the Giants OFs.
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record in 1 run games
why do people always think it should be .500?
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because teams with large run differentials win more games, and yet generally do not win more close games.
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you'd think
that a true talent .600 team would be ~.600 in one run games as well
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you might think that
but when you looked at their results you would see that in fact they are usually ~.500 in 1-run games and have a lot of games where they win by 3+ runs.
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interesting.
I wonder how that changes with the run environment
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at a guess
variance goes up
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It can't be true
If you assume some reasonable distribution and assume average runs scored is 5 and average runs allowed is 4, then run a Monte Carlo simulation of a bunch of games, you will find more one-run wins than one-run losses.
Now you may say that in the small sample size of a single season with maybe 25 one-run games, the 95% confidence interval for the winning percentage in those games would include 0.5 (and that’s almost certainly true), but that is not the same as saying that is the expected win percentage.
Because it should.
Baseball scores are a way of measuring which team was better; in the long run, over a full season, they measure (more or less) the real differences between teams, while on any given day they measure who was better on that day.
When the score is close, that signifies that the two teams were performing at very similar quality levels on that day; it is thus likely that it wasn’t the “better” team that won but rather the luckier one. “Good teams win the close ones” is wrong: good teams win the blowouts, the games where the level of ability is substantially different. (Bill James noted all that years if not decades ago.)
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Actually . . .
. . . as taliesin (nice handle, by the way) points out, it really is a little over .500. But it isn’t much over .500, because otherwise the wins mostly wouldn’t have been one-run wins.
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In terms of feelings, though, I’ll feel like Beltran is going to do something good in the playoffs every time he comes to the plate. When he does, it’s awesome. And when he doesn’t, I don’t feel like shit, because thems the breaks.
But if Rowand is in there, I have no such expectation. I expect him to shit in the batters box, pick up the shit, and swing at the next pitch with the shit. When he does something good, yes, I feel awesome. But when he doesn’t, I feel like shit. Because he just swung some at me.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
are you seriously comparing Burrell to Beltran as a wash? Are you kidding me? Burrell just is not great at the plate and and the field. For $1 million, I won’t complain, but still.
yeah
Owlcroft loves him some Burrell. And Hall.
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Burrell’s a really good hitter.
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correction
Burrell was a really good hitter
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Pfui.
AB H 2B 3B HR BB SF SH HBP SO Burrell 2011: 172 40 9 1 7 27 1 0 2 61 Burrell proj: 171 43 9 0 9 29 2 0 1 48
You consider that three hits under, especially when being obliged to play with scant and highly irregular play time, is somehow seriously off his career numbers? My goodness.
And his career numbers are such that a team of nine closes of him would score 968 ruuns in a season; nine Beltrans would score 1016. The 48-run difference is, for one man on a real team, maybe 5 runs (roughly 10% of team play time), which is about half of what it takes to get one more win (10 runs or so). That’s pretty close to a wash, yes.
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all 3 are xbh, and he's 13 strikeouts over
yeah it makes a bit of a difference
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Hm?
He has the same number of doubles as projected; he has two HRs fewer, but one triple more. He is two walks under. Considering how he’s been used, I think it little short of miraculous that he’s done as well as he has. Above all, I see no reason, those things considered, to believe that his current batting skills are in any way materially different from what his career line tells us they are. He is 34, and the age at which the career stats for a player who has a long history as a regular (10 years miniumum career, 5000 minimum PA) begin to overstate him is, on average, 35.
So no, it doesn’t make any difference in evaluating his probable ability going forward.
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the way you frame it
is that if he’d had 3 more ducksnorts he’d be at his career levers, but that’s not the case. And not only that, but a good number more of his balls in play are falling for hits than you’d suspect. You’re misrepresenting your own numbers.
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What?
His BABIP is .314, scarcely anything extraordinary.
And if he had three more singles, ropes or ducksnorts, he’d be 4 TB below expectations. I am not saying he is hitting exactly at his career level: I am saying that he is hitting close enough to it that the difference is statistical noise, not to even speak of the disadvantages he is operating under. The most likely projection going forward, were he played with reasonable regularity, is his career-to-date line.
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.314 isn't extraordinary in and of itself
but it’s well above Burrell’s career. I just don’t see how you can point out the small difference in TB, and ignore the HUGE difference in K%
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"Well above"?
His career BABIP is .297, almost the MLB average. If you think 17 points of BABIP in limited play time over less than a whole season, is a big deal, we are reading off different pages.
The increased K% is mostly on close called strikes. Strike-zone judgement is one of the first things to suffer from reduced play time. I’m not “ignoring” anything.
Frankly, it gets tiresome debating with people who start from an opinion and then scramble for numbers to try to justify that opinion, as opposed to starting with the data and forming opinions from it.
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They were talking earlier about whether or not the Giants would try to re-sign him for next year
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I would do a two-year deal for him if he makes it through this season healthy
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For me.
The only way this isn’t a total loss is if Beltran sticks around for more than these months.
The only thing I don't like...
about this deal is that Sabean said Wheeler was untouchable. But, hey, maybe the Giants are looking at a 21 year old pitcher who missed a good portion of last season from an injury, and so far this year is only pitching mediocre baseball in A ball. He could still be 2-3 years away from the majors… maybe more. By then, the whole team can be drastically different.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
What if Sabean says
“You can not believe anything I say”?
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by yankeessuck8991 on Jul 27, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Sabean says a lot of things.
I have a tumblr. I had some other text here but then the San Francisco Giants won the World Series
Yeah, I'd be kind of pissed
if everything the GM said in the press were absolutely true.
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No prospects for Beltran, please.
Side bonuses
1) He is not a Brave, a Phillie, and Ranger, or a Red Sock – all teams that were rumored to be pursuing him, all teams we might face in the playoffs
2) Having your two best middle of the order hitters be switch-hitters really fucks with the opposing managers late in games.
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I had nightmares we'd have to face Beltran in the Braves lineup.
Which was reason #2 why I wanted to trade for him.
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2 is a really, really good point.
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It's not!
The impact of any single player is greatly decreased in the playoffs, because the number of games played is much smaller and chance plays a much larger role.
Giving up wins in a more deterministic setting (future regular seasons) to get improvements in a much less deterministic setting (the 2011 playoffs) is foolhardy.
While the playoffs are heavily influenced by “chance” there is no doubt that Beltran improves our lineup and he gives us a better “chance” of putting up runs in the playoffs.
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Right!
However it hurts a future regular season team, where the impact of better talent is more likely.
I agree that Wheeler is a solid prospect who will likely make an impact at the major league level. I think this trade is evidence of the fact that Giants management is looking to win now. It’s fair to disagree with that philosophy, but I feel like Beltran is gonna help in the short term.
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Yeah.
I disagree with the philosophy, but I don’t disagree with the statement that Beltran will help in the short term.
He most likely will.
It’s just that talent rises to the top much more often in the regular season, so to trade regular season talent for playoff talent is playing the hand backwards.
In truth, I’m still up in the air on the trade. If the Giants go out in the NLDS and Wheeler is for reals, we will have gotten fleeced on the deal. If we win the world series and Wheeler flames out, we’ll all sit back and have a good laugh.
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"If we win the world series and Wheeler flames out, we’ll all sit back and have a good laugh."
What you mean “we”, kemosabe?
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Wheeler has a much higher probability of flaming out than your blackjack player would hitting on a hard 18
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A calculation based on . . . ?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Track records of prospects?
What you’re saying with that analogy is that Wheeler’s chance of being an effective major leaguer is >25%. I think that’s certainly a stretch for a pitcher in high A with a 5 BB/9
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i'm sorry my dyslexia got me
that 25% is supposed to be 75%
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The analogy was not intended to be numerically exact.
And in fact, as I said earlier, I myself know little of Wheeler’s real capabilities and probable future. My point was, and is, that the wisdom of the deal is not determined by what happens in the future, but by the factors and knowledge of them existing at the time of the decision.
I have no idea whence your assertion that Wheeler has a fairly high chance of flaming out, and why you feel your evaluation and knowledge significantly superior to that of the Mets. It may be that the Mets are indeed grossly incompetent, and that Wheeler does have a high chance of “flaming out”, but my inquiry is your basis for believing those things to be so.
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Wheeler (and nearly all pitching prospects)
has an extremely high chance of flaming out. It’s just that if he doesn’t, the payoff is huge. It’s pretty classic risk-reward
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Based on Grant's example above
It looks like his chances of success are maybe 30% or so. (I see three out of the second ten there — Hamels, Weaver, and Hughes — who became decent or better starters.) So if he has a 30% chance of being an average starter for the six years he’s under team control, that would be worth about $45M in surplus value ($10M per year in value for basically free for four years, with a fifth year at half price, final arb year not much discount). Then Wheeler would be worth $13.5M. The Mets got him for $4M and about 1.5 wins worth of Beltran (about $7.5M). By my (very crude) calculations, the Giants overpaid by about $1.5M. That’s not bad at all.
A better chance . . .
. . . but how much better? DTM.
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Whether a prospect develops into something valuable.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
This lineup could be league average. Unfortunately we wont get it that much
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Here we go
Torres CF
Belt 1b
Beltran RF/LF
Sandoval 3b
Ross/Nate LF
Fontenot SS
Keppinger 2b
Whiteside C
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That lineup is so much nicer than some of the crap we were working with earlier in the season.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Or tonight, for that matter!
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure do hope we face the Red Sox in the playoffs!
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unless he wasn't the one really making the deal.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Was it not . . .
. . . agreed almost by consensus that Beltran’s agent would not let him do anything this winter save test the FA market? The Giants would have to make an offer that so clearly beats the probable market that FA would be pointless; I cannot imagine that.
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Will he play tomorrow or today?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:41 PM PDT reply actions
*facepalm.
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I think we can forget having the best rotation in baseball in 2013.
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The difference in ceiling between Surkamp and Wheeler is like 3.0 WAR.
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Professional scouts and statisticians do it every day.
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it's going to be
Lincecum – Bumgarner – Cain – Vogelsong – Surkamp
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You want to place a bet that Vogelsong will be good in 2013?
(He will be 35.5 years old)
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lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Well, it's hardly a sure thing that Wheeler will be good in 2013 either
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
No, but Wheeler is 13 years younger and has much better stuff. If he ends up only becoming a #3 or #4 pitcher, he is a lot more valuable than Vogelsong is now. If he reaches his potential of a #2 or #1, the comparison between the two is night and day.
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Who's arguing that Vogelsong is more valuable than Wheeler?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah, I was not saying that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I doubt he'd be more than a RP in the pros in 2013.
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Wheeler or Vogelsong?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wheeler, my bad.
I saw him as more of a September RP in 2013, SP sometime in 2014
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Not a problem.
By then, they can replace him with Wheel . . . oops.
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As long as we still have Lincecum, Bumgarner and Cain
I will be happy.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, and if they blow out their arms? There is a reason teams like the A’s, Rays, Royals, etc. try to stockpile pitchers.
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For the Rays and Royals? Pretty well. For the A’s? Poorly, because they traded away Carlos Gonzalez and Andre Ethier and have failed to draft good hitting.
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FYI, the Royals haven’t made the playoffs since Ronald Reagan was president.
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Are you completely ignorant of their farm system? They are poised to become the dominant team in their division for five years.
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if you wanna crown them, then crown their ass
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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The best team for 19 games or the best team for 6 years?
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Yeah, that's kinda more important. Kinda.
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It was just going to be the Phillies, anyway.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions
why?
We’ll still have Lincecum, Bumgarner and Cain.
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I'll be the first to admit it's irrational
But if Sabes didn’t get the Mets to cover the entire $6M left on Beltran’s salary this year then I’ll be even more pissed. Not only did he get fleeced in the actual player that he dealt, but he left money on the table for the Mets.
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Reports are that we're paying $2 mil for him
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I know
That’s why I posted the comment.
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Oh, well in that case.
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just sayin.. :) maybe he’s starting to cool down…never know…
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 27, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I am now worried.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
On the contrary, this is what knocked the price down from Brown.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
.227/.424/.364; 9:3 BB:SO, .200 babip
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Just sayin’
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Affeldt says he loves Beltran
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Were they teammates in Kansas City?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Affeldt and Beltran were buds in KC. Says he will “make everyone better and our offense will flourish because of it.”
I believe so
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
There’s the jump start The Franchise has been looking for!
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Where’s TheLetter2 when we need him?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
dey terk are jerrrrrrrrrrbs
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Why do I have a feeling that Beltran is going to be and treated like Barry Zito?
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High expectations
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He is going to get an extension
of 7 years and 126 million dollars.
He won't
at worse he will be Garko’d
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I hated Garko
wore Bonds number, and still was shit it in. Fuck you Ryan Garko.
Even worse!
I thought he wore 25 with us, strange.
He’s so much better than Garko.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 27, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
No way, he's going to be treated like Pablo.
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I'll just post this here
I wrote about the topic last night in more detail on my site, but I’ll summarize it here:
I’m okay with trading Wheeler. He’s a right-handed Jonathan Sanchez type of guy. Lots of upside, lots of frustrating, inconsistent risk.
He’s not Tim Alderson from two years ago, but I don’t think he’s going to be a guy we miss so much in a couple of years.
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Somewhat agree
I don’t think he’s quite as maddening as Sanchez, but the other thing is I’m still at least a little concerned about the projectprospect video from earlier this year. Wheeler has a ton of upside, but it’s still just upside.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Wheeler is a very special talent. If the Giants don’t win the WS this year, or with Beltran in 2012 or 2013, then I think Giant fans are going to rue the day that this trade went down in much the same way as the Pierzinsky (sp?) trade.
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I think that the only way that Wheeler doesn’t become at least an above-average major league starter is if he gets injured long-term.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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He IS walking 5/9 in A+ though
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
hey cool
Beltran is a .310 lifetime hitter at Phone Company Park
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tortured justification
I’m not in love with the deal, but I’m just glad they didn’t go nuts with a Werth type contract in the offseason.
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we already have two of those
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Just because you said that
Sabes will now sign Beltran to a Werth type deal in the offseason.
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by Giant Torture on Jul 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
extrabaggs Affeldt: “You put him in a position where he has to carry some stuff, he’ll do it — from both sides of the plate.”
GIANTS TRADE FOR BELTRAN TO CARRY THEIR BAGS
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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can we haz Belt batting fifth?
"It is not enough that we win; all others must lose" -Larry Ellison
"I come up with something when I’ve got nothing, and it’s always brilliant. Always. So I reject your logic." -Grant
Great
What’s the point of having Belt on the team now?!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 27, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Honestly this just fucking sucks.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT reply actions
I want Hanigan!
Hernandez also acceptable.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That actually makes a lot of sense for both teams.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad Cinci keeps saying they won't trade a C
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LOL teams without Rags
Wheeler will sit at 90-94 mph and show 96 or better with a big, slow, but tight curveball in the low to mid-70s; he has been mixing in an above-average slider in the 85-89 range and will flash an average changeup, the one pitch for which he doesn’t show great feel yet.
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
It’d be a ++ changeup after 2 months with Rags.
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Timmy change
with Rags. I love our coaching staff. Barry being hitting coach now, oh my lordie.
Goodbye clubhouse chemistry!
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 27, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually never thought about this.
Now that we have a logjam in the outfield the Giants are in position to move someone like Ross for a position of need. Hell we can even pay his entire salary.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:54 PM PDT reply actions
I'm Stockholming like crazy right now
But starting to feel like this isn’t as terrible as expected. 2013 feels a long way off, but mostly I would hate to have seen Atlanta or Philly with Beltran in the playoffs.
The first six innings are overrated.
Also you have no idea what the Giants are going to be like in 2013.
Giants have been very very lucky in the injury department when it comes to their pitchers.
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also in the scouting department when it comes to pitchers.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what I just remembered? Were on ESPN tonight
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Oh, cool. I get to actually watch on TV, instead of a jerky, stop-motion image on my computer.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Your computer was working fine last night
The jerky, stop-motion image on your computer was Barry Zito.
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DAMMIT. More shitty camera angles, shitty commentary, east-coast bullshit yakkety yak…
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
They are probably going to be talking about this trade as well
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Actually I just found on the game is on both ESPN and CSNBA. Thank you god
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LOL Grant
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 27, 2011 1:58 PM PDT reply actions
I feel like this trade will end up being 2.0 WAR for 20.0 WAR.
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it certainly will be.
Though 2.0 WAR today in a pennant race is worth considerably more than 20.0 WAR 3+ years from now.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 27, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I meant in the six team controlled seasons.
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that seems improbable
there were 19 pitchers in MLB with >=20 WAR from 2005-2010.
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yeah that seems like the best case scenario for Wheeler
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I think that with ANY A-Ball pitcher
It’s really probably more likely he never makes the majors at all.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Better to look at it in terms of Baseball America’s top 30 prospects. The level isn’t as important as the projection, in my opinion.
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there are still a lot of them who bust
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
And a lot of them who become Matt Cain. Is it worth the risk for a minor upgrade?
Firing Bochy would help this team more than Beltran…
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No, a lot of them don't become Matt Cain.
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Bochy does make me scratch my head,
but if you’re given shit for a lineup, you can only shine it up so much. And even still.. in the end you’re still dealing with shit. And no, a small fraction become Cains.
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6, of which tonight’s will be the 2nd.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
2nd? You mean 3rd??
There have already been 2. A 1-hour premiere and a half hour episode last week. And thats not counting the preview episode in April…
Still on the fence
I wish we’d found upgrades at C and SS/2B instead.
Also, with the logjam in the OF, feels like we’re never going to see Belt again.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
I heard Belt can play 1B.
And our 1B is the worst in the league.
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HOW MANY OF YOU WANTED TYLER MATZEK ON DRAFT DAY AND CALLED SABEAN A CHEAP ASS FOR DRAFTING WHEELER FOR SIGNABILITY
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Yes.
Until I heard Matzek’s interview saying he wanted to play 1B too.
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Reason I don't like this trade...
Our starters are going to get very expensive rather quickly and we won’t be able to keep them all. We wouldn’t have gotten anywhere without MadBum last year for what he did AND for what he cost us. Even if Wheeler is league average, that will still cost 8-10 million to bring in as a FA. Plus, we coulda easily signed Beltran in the offseason.
If Wheeler becomes a multiple 20 game winner for the Mets, maybe even HOF worthy…but Beltran helps us win it all this year…
Who won this deal?
Both teams, I guess.
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Since we're asking which TEAM one the deal
I’d say the one who won the WS. Team Championships > Individual accomplishments
World Champions!
Does Wheeler become part of a World Championship Mets team?
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by Useful_Idiot on Jul 27, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa, big fella:
How do you determine “helps us”? That is awfully vague.
As Frank Robinson so often remarked, a dangerous hitter is a man at the plate with a bat in his hands. It’s not as if absent Beltran the Giants would just send 8 men out on the field: someone would be batting where Beltran now will be, and in a short series, even a mediocre someone—say an Aaron Rowand—has nearly as good a chance of performing well. We really forget how very small are the differences, in an absolute sense, between great batters and mediocre batters: it usually takes 162 games for those differences to fully manifest. A .260 hitter is successful 26% of the time, a .300 hitter 30%; in many lines of endeavor, the difference between 26% and 30% as rates is practically rounding error. (And, as I say so often these days, in baseball it’s a hit a week for everyday players.)
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A buddy in New York called me this morning and said that a deal had been reached for both Wheeler and Brown. It was a tense morning… Needless to say, I was relieved to hear that we’re keeping Brown.
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
I almost feel like the rumors for Wheeler and Brown...
were spread by the Giants org to make it easier for us fans to accept that we gave up JUST Wheeler.
I don't like trading Wheeler
I do like getting Beltran. I feel conflicted.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Ya’all know there’s a new thread right?
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/7/27/2298640/pre-game-post-news-thread
This site is odd. On draft day most people dislike our selection, but then when the trade deadline rolls around everyone is devastated when they get shipped out.
It’s not like this is Lincecum for Rios. Wheeler is a top prospect but how many players on that top 50 list will actually become great players?
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
Shhhh, no calling McCovens on their BS, especially on trade day. You’ll get a passive-aggressive “you know what kind of posts I hate?” post.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy.
No prospects for Beltran, please.
I think it’s weird to think that there’s a unanimous opinion on this trade.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 27, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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