minor lines, 7/24/11
Sunday highlights from the Giants' farm: Eric Surkamp had 10 K and just 1 ER in 7.0 IP, Roger Kieschnick homered while reaching base in four of six plate appearances in a doubleheader, and Justin Christian homered while reaching base three times.
AAA: Fresno lost to Colorado Srpings 9-7Fresno: RF Justin Christian: 1 for 3, HR, 2 BB, SB
Fresno: 2B Bill Hall: 2 for 3, 2B, SO, E
Fresno: 2B Nick Noonan: 1 for 1, BB
Colorado Springs: SS Ryan Rohlinger: 1 for 3, 2B, 2 BB, 2 SO
Colorado Springs: 1B Mike Jacobs: 3 for 5, HR, 2 2B, SO, GiDP, CS, E
Fresno: SP Felix Romero: 3.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 4 K
Fresno: RP Geno Espineli: 4.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 3 K--1 HR
Christian had his 5th HR and his 14th SB as he played in his 22nd PCL game. Hall, playing his first rehab game, and Noonan combined to reach base in four of five plate appearances from the second spot in the batting order. Rohlinger, now with the Rockies, reached three times against his former team, but his OBP remains just .655 as he has struggled to hit away from his new home park. Jacobs had his 18th HR and 26th and 27th doubles.
Romero allowed hits to nearly half of the sixteen batters he faced while being tagged for 4 ER in 3.0 IP. Facing the team with which he began the year, Espineli provided long relief allowing just 1 ER in 4.0 IP.
AA: Richmond defeated Harrisburg 4-1 (7 innings) in game 1
Richmond: LF Roger Kieschnick: 1 for 2, HR, BB
Richmond: CF Juan Perez: 2 for 3, 3B, 2B, SO
Richmond: 1B Skyler Stromsmoe: 2 for 2, 2B, BB (IBB)
Richmond: SP Eric Surkamp: 7.0 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 10 K--1 WP
Kieschnick had his 12th HR. Perez had his 7th triple and 20th double. Stromsmoe reached base in all three plate appearances.
Surkamp had one of his longest appearances of the year, throwing 106 pitches (65 strikes). He had 10+ K for the third time in his last four games, raising his K/BB above 3.75.
AA: Richmond defeated Harrisburg 7-5 (7 innings) in game 2
Richmond: CF Francisco Peguero: 2 for 3, 2B
Richmond: SS Sharlon Schoop: 2 for 2, BB
Richmond: SP Wilmin Rodriguez: 5.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 2 K
Richmond: RP Heath Hembree: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 1 K
Harrisburg: SP Shairon Martis: 5.0 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 8 K
Peguero and Schoop each had two of the Flying Squirrels' eight hits.
Making his second straight start, Rodriguez once again had a line with 1 ER in 5.0 IP. After getting the final out of the top of the 6th inning and then having a two-RBI single in the bottom half of the inning, Hembree was ineffective in the top of the 7th inning, retiring just two of his six batters. Overall, he threw just 9 of 21 pitches for strikes. Martis, the former Giants' farmhand traded to the Nationals a few years ago for Mike Stanton (the reliever), started against the Squirrels for the third time in his last seven starts. He has had 26 K but 9 ER in 17.1 IP over those three starts.
A+: San Jose defeated Visalia 7-3 (7 innings) in game 1
(scoring all seven runs in the bottom of the 6th inning)
San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 2 for 3
San Jose: SP Chris Heston: 7.0 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 4 K--2 HR, 1 WP
Visalia: SP David Holmberg: 5.0+ IP, 5 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 0 K
Brown had the Giants' lone multi-hit line, raising his AVG to .316.
Heston allowed a two-run HR in the 1st inning and a solo HR in the 3rd inning but finished with four scoreless frames for the complete-game victory. He had a 13/3 GO/FO line. Holmberg, who has emerged as one of the Diamondbacks' top prospects this year, faced the minimum through five innings but then did not retire any of his five batters in the 6th inning.
A+: San Jose defeated Visalia 5-0 (7 innings) in game 2
San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 1 for 3, SO
San Jose: RF Jarrett Parker: 2 for 3, SO
San Jose: 3B Jose Flores: 2 for 3, SO
San Jose: SP Andrew Reichard: 5.0 IP, 5 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 1 K
Parker and Flores each had two of the Giants' nine hits, raising their AVGs to .271 and .286. Brown extended his hitting streak to six games.
Reichard allowed five singles but managed to face just two batters over the miminimum in 5.0 shutout IP. He had a 9/0 GO/FO line.
A-: Augusta lost to Lakewood 5-1
Augusta: 1B Josh Mazzola: 2 for 5, 2B, SB
Augusta: SP Taylor Rogers: 5.0 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 3 K--1 WP
Mazzola's 13th double was the GreenJackets' lone XBH.
Rogers has not been as effective since the SAL all-star break. After an impressive 2.27 ERA in thirteen first-half starts, he has a solid but unimpressive 4.05 ERA in six second-half starts.
ssA: Salem-Keizer lost to Vancouver 5-2
Salem-Keizer: CF Jesus Galindo: 2 for 4, 2B, 2 SO, SB
Salem-Keizer: RF Brett Krill: 3 for 4, 2B
Salem-Keizer: SP Brandon Allen: 5.1 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Krill had his second straight three-hit game, raising his AVG to .383. Galindo had a multi-hit line for the third time in his last four games. His AVG is up to .271.
Allen allowed just one run through five innings; but two runs in the 6th inning, both of which scored after he left the game, were enough to drop his W-L record to 1-6.
R: Scottsdale had its regular off-day (every fifth day)
DSL: The Gigantes had their usual Sunday off-day
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SurKKKKKKKKKKamp
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Any chance we see Surkamp in September?
Or is it 2012 at the earliest?
maybe if you're watching the Mets.
(just kidding)
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 25, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Don't joke about that.
It might happen. :(
My guess is it does ...
If not for Beltran than for someone similar. If the Giants make the "big deaL’ and if Sabean is being honest when he says no way he deals Belt, Brown, Hembree and Wheeler (and I truly hope he is on Belt Brown and Wheeler) then Surkamp is a likely pluck off the farm.
I haven’t seen him but his numbers are off the charts. I love his k to bb ratio. My understanding is a lefty with good off speed stuff and an average fastball. My question on the fb is two-fold – one movement. And two deception. Look at Sanchez. He doesn’t throw that hard but is often throwing it by people. He obviously is one they just dont see very well. Hoping Surkamp is the same in that respect.
I hate to see them let go of a lefty with real potential. I guess I’d rather they trade the potential closer.
I'm in this camp.
I’d rather they let Hembree go instead of Surkamp.
The issue with Surkamp is there aren’t a whole lot of medium-tossing lefties with a track record like his. How many minor league lefties post K/9 and BB/9 rates like his in AA? How many of those go on to see success? Now, ask the same question, but limit it to lhp with a fb<90mph.
If there have been 10 pitchers like that, and they all failed in the majors, then I wouldn’t care about letting him go. If there have only been 5, and 2 of them turned out like Zito, with the rest like Rueter, then that’s a different case.
He’s not on the 40 man so there’d have to be some real compelling reason to cut somebody else out of the organization a couple weeks before the end of the season (isn’t that what happened to Downs? Did he get cut loose when they brought Bumgarner in September of ‘09?). And given that they’re about to have 6 starting pitchers for 5 slots and a full bullpen with nowhere to hide the extra, I’m not sure what that compelling reason would be.
I’d say his most likely path to playing with the Giants is: Sanchez gets traded and somebody else gets hurt. When that might happen? Who’s to say?
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I agree that we won’t see Surkamp in SF this year unless there’s an injury to and/or trade of 2 of the starters (dont forget that we have 6 starting pitchers now that Dirty is eligible to come off the DL). I can’t see Dirty getting traded now. He’s not worth as much now due to his injury and poor performance. He’s likely to be worth a lot more in the offseason.
As for Downs, you’re way off on when he left the org. He was DFA’d last August to make room for the Cody Ross waiver claim.
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Downs was a DFA but Hinshaw stayed on the 40 man?
or am I mistaken?
Yes and it was a mistake
Couldn’t understand it then or now.
Ah yes, Cody Ross. I somehow thought this was his second full year with the Astros. Still can’t get over how poor a decision that was given, as Joe notes the continued presence of Alex Hinshaw. And that they were a month and a half away from dropping Brett Pill off the 40 man. And, of course, the whole Jose Guillen embarrassment which was what had put them up against it on the 40 man in the first place. Ugh.
I really do have to wonder though if there isn’t a chance Sanchez gets traded in the next week simply because of 25 man issues. I suppose Mota gets the heave ho and that’s not the worst thing in the world, except that it’s difficult for me to conceive of a theoretical relief situation in which I’d want to see either Sanchez or Zito enter a game (down by 10 in the 1st?) which makes carrying either of them in the bullpen kind of a waste.
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I wouldn’t be completely surprised if Sanchez got dealt this week. His value may not be what it was last offseason, but there’s a chance it gets even worse if he comes back and continues to be unwatchable. It would have to be a pretty sweet deal, though. They won’t give him away.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 25, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d try to bundle him and a reliever (Casilla?) to Texas for something. They’re so deep in elite prospects that a guy like Robby Erlin seems second rate. They also have a decent SS prospect (who’s name is escaping me at the moment) who has no chance of ever playing for them since he’s squeezed by Andrus in front and Profar behind.
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I don’t see Sanchez being dealt for prospects unless some other deal brings us a big league ready SS and/or C.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 25, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez out of the bullpen
I wouldn’t have a problem with dumping Mota and Sanchez replacing him in the bullpen. Sanchez has pitched effectively out of the bullpen in the past, and even if he’s ineffective, Mota is only used in blowout situations anyway.
I would actually think Mota could be traded for a little something rather than just dumped. He’s having a decent year and there are always contenders looking for bullpen help at this time of year.
In what world is...
Barry Zito a better starting option than Jonathan Sanchez?
Despite his “unwatchability”, Sanchez is demonstratably the better pitcher.
thanks for all your work Steve S.
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 25, 2011 12:27 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Weird
The DSL found 12 pitchers to represent the NL in yesterday’s All Star game, and none of them was Adalberto Mejia, despite the fact that he’s having a better year than all of the guys who did pitch and much better than most of them. In fact the Giants nearly went entirely unrepresented in the game, with only 19 year old infielder Alberto Robles getting to sneak in the game, which no doubt made the fans on hand unhappy, since he replaced the Cubs 17 year old wunderkind Jeimer Candelario (currently hitting .338/.449/.475).
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That is strange. It’s possible that he was left off due to the fact that he would only be pitching on 2 days rest. The only other reason I can think of is that Mejia wasn’t available because he was his way to Scottsdale! Certainly, statswise, there is only 1 or 2 other pitchers in the entire league that can be said to be having as good a year as Mejia.
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Remember when everyone freaked when the Giants traded Martis for old Mike Stanton and the Nationals fast tracked him to the majors? Four years later and he’s buried in the minors, struggling in AA ball. I guess Sabean was right that time.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
I don’t think it’s correct to say that Sabes was right, just that he wasn’t as wrong as it looked like 2 years ago. It’s not like Mike Stanton did more for the major league Giants than Martis did for the Nats. The Nats definitely got more quality pitching on the major league level out of Martis than the Giants got from Stanton.
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Can’t agree with you on that. Stanton pitched well for the Giants, and even became their closer down the stretch, recording eight saves. Struck out about a batter an inning, and had an ERA of 3.09. The Giants came after him hard to re-sign him after the season but didn’t want to go multi year like the Reds did. Martis posted ERA’s over 5.00 in both his years with the Nationals and the times I saw him he was really hit hard.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Just checked and saw that Stanton did pitch better in 2006 than I had remembered. He put up WAR of 0.6 in 23 innings. Martis put up an overall WAR of 0.1 in in 106 innings over 2 separate major league seasons for the Nats. When you calculate the innings pitched and the money paid for the WAR gained it has been basically a push so far (don’t forget that Martis can still turn out to be worth something going forward while Staton’s worth is over).
I still say that it wasn’t a good trade by Sabes. The Giants had no chance of making the playoffs in 2006 and needed to be in a rebuilding mode. Stanton was basically a non-factor for a 2006 team that finished in 3rd place at 76-85 – 11.5 games out of first place and 11.5 games out in the wild card race.
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I hate to defend Sabean
But the 2006 Giants, while they ended up finishing well back in the standings, were in fact in contention in late July. Indeed, they were ever-so-briefly in first place, until this game sent them into a tailspin from which, as it turns out, they never recovered.
We also got the compensation pick when Stanton left, which I think Sabean turned into Culberson. That should be figured in as well, right?
by VizquelQuest on Jul 25, 2011 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions
It would figure in a lot more...
.. if they had drafted the next Mike Stanton.
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by Smotheredinhugs on Jul 25, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Stanton did pitch well, but it was still a poor decision for a team which would finish 10 games under .500 and 11.5 games behind in the standings to consider itself a buyer at the deadline rather than a seller. And in fact Sabean himself has fully admitted to that. When he said (on many occasions) that they stuck too long with the strategy of trying to surround Bonds with veterans, he’s certainly talking about decisions made in 2006. I’d like to think he was talking about 2005, too but who’s to say. 2006 definitely. In both of those years they should have been sellers.
It’s not about what they gave up in Martis or Jeremy Accardo, it’s what they could conceivably have gotten in 2005 or 2006 for Schmidt, Durham, Vizquel, Alou, maybe Steve Kline etc. That was the missed opportunity that we are, potentially, keenly feeling right now because one or more of those players could conceivably have returned a piece that would really be valuable to us today. And it’s that missed opportunity that I at least was “freaking out” about when that trade was made and which Sabean has, to his credit, owned up to later on (which does lend credence to the thought that it was Magowan’s philosophical direction which hurt most).
(Then of course there’s the whole poetic failure to draft Mike Stanton with the Mike Stanton comp pick that Grant’s always going on about. That was like the universe giving us one last chance at that missed opportunity and us just slapping the last chance away. Apparently, the universe really really really wanted us to have it though, because of course TGWTWS!)
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Definitely what you two guys are saying is correct. As long as Martis is pitching, he has a chance to still make this into a terrible trade by finding himself. I’m just pointing out that Stanton was pretty good as a Giant. The reason I remember it so vividly is that I made a rare trip to SF at that time, and remembered him saving a couple of games for them. He was known as a power pitcher, but he had come up with a big breaking curve that was just paralyzing hitters.
Buster Posey: still better than Eli and Stewart, even with a broken ankle.
Krill!
here’s to hoping he’s not Andy D’Alessio part deux.
Hembree was gassed
He probably got so excited and distracted by not only having to bat in the top of the 7th, but by actually hitting a 2 run single with the bases loaded and 2 outs. Good thing he got the hit, though, because that last run turned out to be the winning run.
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Yeah, he was due a stinker, though of course he learned a valuable lesson about why walks are bad — sometimes you’re going to give up HRs and it’s better not to have given up a bunch of free base runners before them.
Funny thing about Peguero’s line in the second game as I had the gameday function running while watching the Giants game and was half paying attention to it: in the first inning Peguero hit what was scored as a double and an RBI. But by the top of the next inning, the box score changed his line to 0 for 1 and scored his PA as a two base error for Bryce Harper. Peguero ended the game with a 1 for 3 and a RS line. But by this morning the double had been restored. Don’t know which was correct, but the official scorer was obviously laboring on the call.
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Well, Harper is the golden boy, so he was probably trying to figure out how to make the play look the best on Harper’s record.
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If I had to guess, I’d say that since the game was in Richmond the opposite probably happened. It was a close play that after initially ruling a hit the official scorer changed his mind on. But after the game, he got some friendly persuasion and some politicking from the hometown organization and was persuaded to score it in the way that was most beneficial to Peguero.
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I’d guess the normal suasion of hometown official scorers seems reasonable enough motivation. If they were going to move him the trading partner would have scouts in attendance anyway rather than looking at the box scores.
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It occurred to me the other day
That might explain why Hector Sanchez spent a few days in the majors, since it really didn’t make sense for him to come up. Seems like he’d be a tradeable piece with a few interesting catchers in the low minors as well as Johnny Monell in Richmond for emergencies. It’d be great if we could keep him as a backup to Posey, but he’s both expendable and valuable.
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But why would bringing him to the majors for a few days to make a couple PH appearances make teams suddenly want to acquire him in a trade? If they wanted him, they’d send scouts to watch him play which they could do in Fresno much more effectively.
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I don't think it would bring him to the forefront
But maybe it raises his stock a little. It’s about the only reason I can think of that makes any sense for bringing a 21 year old third catcher who started the season in SJ and doesn’t appear near ready for the majors yet AND required a 40 man spot they now can’t get back.
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I hope Surkamp is another San Francisco pitching prospect with non-elite premium stuff.
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And that he has no trade value.
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Have we had many of those? What SF’s mostly known for is coming up with power pitching prospects like Jesus casting the net upon the waters.
FWIW, it seems pretty likely at this point that Surkamp does have premium stuff — it’s just that his premium stuff isn’t the FB it’s the breaking pitch. If it’s plus plus (which his dominance of AA hitters suggests it is) it’s still premium. And given the events of the weekend, it’s a good time to recall that during the 70s and early 80s it was not at all uncommon for players, writers, and commentators to wonder aloud if Bert Blyleven’s curveball was the greatest breaking pitch in baseball history. Whether or not that was true, it was a breaking ball that allowed him to be the 3rd greatest strikeout pitcher of all time.
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Also that plus curve won Zito a Cy as well as a ton of games. Of course it is hard to remember what a dominate pitcher Zito was early in his career with the A’s
More on Duvall's injury
Adam Duvall has at least a strained hamstring and it could be a tear. He’ll be out “for a while” but it’s not a major injury to a joint, so it’s good news overall. Here’s a brief blurp from the Augusta newspaper:
http://chronicle.augusta.com/sports/baseball/greenjackets/2011-07-22/greenjackets-lose-all-star-third-baseman-injury
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Yeah, I linked to that last week and there was some discussion about it. Given that they only have about 5 weeks left it won’t take too much for it to end his season. As long as he didn’t tear the tendon it shouldn’t be a long term problem.
This is something that has always confused me, but if I’m not mistaken all muscle “strains” are actually tears, but they don’t use the term “tear” until it gets to be a big one. Not quite sure how that all shakes out. Either way, I think rest is the proscription as long as the damage is in the muscle itself, and not out on the tendon or ligament.
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I believe that strains are partial, but not complete tears.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 25, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I missed that
The last that I read, people were still discussing whether it was his knee or his hammy.
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by say hey nation on Jul 25, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too
Yeah, that would be hard for me to stomach. I’m hoping that Beltran is lowering his value with his list of seven teams and ruling the AL out. That would be cool.
If you had to trade one of Peguero or Surkamp to the Mets for Beltran, whom would you trade?
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Definitely Pegs
I like Frankie, but he’s not on Surkamp’s level, IMO, and is easier to replace by another prospect in our system. I’d go as far to say that any trade for a rental only player this year that includes any of Wheeler, Brown, or Surkamp is a non-starter. Any other eligible player in the minors is fair game for me.
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Agree with Fla. Peguero has skills redundancy in Brown and to some degree Parker. the drop off from Surkamp to the next potential guy who could step in in 2012 and deliver quality starts if need be is steep. It’s Surkamp, Verdugo and then free fall, and I for one think there’s a significant gap between Surkamp and Verdugo.
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Peguero no question
I’ve never been a big fan, but he’s gone back to the crazy BB/K numbers he had in SJ. I just don’t see how he’s going to make it as a big leaguer with that complete lack of plate discipline. Surkamp has only one or two minor problems that keep him from being a top 100 prospect IMO, and Peguero is nowhere near that list.
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Although it’s interesting to note that he got better this year when he returned to the Cal league and then has returned to the poor differential upon moving up a level, which could mean that he lets the game speed up on him upon introduction to the level but has the ability to make needed adjustments later on.
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It was 16 games
I’m going with SSS fluke considering in 2010 his walk totals were:
April: 4
May: 1
June: 0
July: 9
August: 4
September: 0
His last walk of 2010 was on 8/27 and his season ended 9/20. I think there’s something going on with his plate discipline; he walks a bunch in a few games (8 walks in a 16 game stretch in July, 2 walks in a 3 game stretch in August, 3 in a 6 game stretch in April) and then doesn’t walk for a month. He does, however, consistently strike out; he had 88 K’s in 122 games last year (0.72 K/game) with only four 3 K games and no 4 K games. So I’m betting the Cal League walk rate was partially him having experience in the league but mostly being a guy who has good discipline for a few games in a row – possibly as a result of certain teams pitching him differently – but is a hacker pretty much all of the time.
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Trading Surkamp would be a big risk
That means that next year the club would be counting on two of Sanchez, Zito, and Vogelsong to be both on the team and effective, and no one else in the rotation getting injured. That could happen, but I don’t think it’s the way to bet.
Now reading the article, I’m puzzled that Hembree is supposedly a can’t-touch prospect in Sabean’s mind. I mean, he’s the Giants’ best minor-league reliever, but he’s still a minor-league reliever. I’d much rather trade him than Peguero.
It was only one specific team that claimed those were the 3 untouchables. That doesn’t mean that they are the same 3 for the other 28 teams, or that the Giants value Hembree as #3 overall.
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why would they tell one team these guys are non-starters and tell other teams other things, though? I can’t see the sense in that.
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Trade Strategy
Most teams don’t have a one-size-fits all trade strategy. They look at each team separately and see what they’re asking at. We don’t know if the team that leaked to Stark even asked if Surkamp was available.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Don’t see it. “Untouchable” is pretty one size fits all. It’s not “prefer you wouldn’t touch” or “try not to leave a mark” or “careful where you touch”, it’s “untouchable.” We’re not trading these guys ask about someone else.
Also, note that Stark was reverse engineering to those three names from a quote of Sabean’s where he actually put a number on it: we have three untouchables. Then he went to a potential trade partner (Minnesota?) and said: “anybody they told you was off limits?” and arrived at those three. Seems a pretty good fit. Also, the names aren’t that surprising: highest upside starter, best position player, potential Wilson replacement closer. Pick #1 from every category.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
by Roger on Jul 25, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Clayton Blackburn
It you believe his twitter account, Clayton will be getting his first pro starting assignment in tonight’s AZL Giants game.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Don't Panik - just tweet
Be the first on your block to follow Joe Panik’s brand new twitter account:
http://twitter.com/#!/JoePanik
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
How do I learn to love a man when I hated the draft pick? The inner turmoil…
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This was meant to be in reply to Fla-Giant
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