Giants Trade For Jeff Keppinger
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 3:39 PM PDT
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PrintJeff Keppinger to the Giants for Henry Sosa and Jason Stoffel. Easily the most immediately satisfying trade since Bengie Molina went to the Rangers. But that's a different kind of trade, one that was like Benitez-for-Messenger or Morris-for-anyone. Those were great trades because of who was leaving. But a trade where the Giants intended to acquire an upgrade? This might be my favorite move since ...
... oh, god ...
... since the A.J. Pierzynski deal. That's how long it's been since I've loved an upgrade via trade at first blush. I suppose Fontenot for Evan Crawford was okay on the surface, but it was 2004 the last time the Giants traded for a win-now player, and I thought, "Yes! Instant upgrade!"
Obviously, I was wrong with the Pierzynski deal, and I was way, way wrong in not liking the Javier Lopez and Freddy Sanchez trades. So maybe you should all be afeared that I'm digging this Keppinger deal so much. But the Giants had a huge need in their middle infield. Miguel Tejada> strained something fierce last night, and those old-timers don't heal that well. He was the hottest-hitting middle infielder on the team. Bill Hall> is a shell, Manny Burriss never even had the thing in the shell in the first place, and Brandon Crawford is an extreme glove-only player at this point. Fontenot's alright. That leaves one alright middle infielder.
Keppinger is a high-contact guy -- a slappy guy who usually walks more than he strikes out:
Year Age Tm G PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
2004 24 NYM 33 123 116 33 2 0 3 9 2 1 6 7 .284 .317 .379 .696
2006 26 KCR 22 67 60 16 2 0 2 8 0 0 5 6 .267 .323 .400 .723
2007 27 CIN 67 276 241 80 16 2 5 32 2 1 24 12 .332 .400 .477 .877
2008 28 CIN 121 502 459 122 24 2 3 43 3 1 30 24 .266 .310 .346 .657
2009 29 HOU 107 344 305 78 13 3 7 29 0 2 27 33 .256 .320 .387 .707
2010 30 HOU 137 575 514 148 34 1 6 59 4 1 51 36 .288 .351 .393 .744
2011 31 HOU 43 169 163 50 9 0 4 20 0 1 4 7 .307 .320 .436 .755
7 Seasons 530 2056 1858 527 100 8 30 200 11 7 147 125 .284 .337 .395 .731
Provided by Baseball Reference. Generated 7/19/2011.Without looking, I'll guess that his .337 career OBP is 100 points higher than the next Giant. Maybe 200. As a fielder, it looks like he's in the Fontenot mold of won't kill you at short, but probably a second baseman. Fine. Great. Grand. He's an upgrade. And we don't have to look at Jamey Carroll any more than we need to, either.
Sosa used to be a prospect, but it's been four years since his last statistically impressive season. He started hot in AA this season, but scuffled upon a promotion. Stoffel is a minor-league reliever. Want a minor league reliever? Help yourself. Take a couple. They don't eat much, and they usually clean up after themselves. Take one home for the wife, too.
That isn't a perfect organizational philosophy -- the two best relievers on the team right now are homegrown, after all -- but it's close. Jason Stoffel might end up closing for the Astros, and Keppinger might dissolve into Ricky Ledee and hit .230/.280/.290 for the rest of the year, but the worst-case scenario is an awful stand-alone argument against a trade. Sosa and Stoffel have upside, but it's far enough away that they're exactly the kinds of players the Giants should trade for a fair-not-outstanding player like Keppinger.
Hated the Freddy Sanchez trade. Hated Foppert for Randy Winn. Loved Pierzynski for buncha no-name pitchers. Love the Keppinger trade. That's fair warning.
edit: Also, Brandon Belt was called up and is starting tonight. This day is a lot more interesting than it was an hour ago.
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No, really, please SaberDudes, tell me his xFLAP or PECOTA or something is really, really good.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
Translate that to words?
Is that all average or slightly below?
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
All of that is below average.
In this year’s offensive environment, and the dire need of the Giants, this is hardly a bad trade, though.
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Better stats this year and he’s a MIF so stats are pretty good.
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that's spelled MILF
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Your mom's a girl
he would be FILF
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All of those
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How can I understand The Good Word, lest some prophet interpret it?
Uh, the minus thingy doesn’t look good. What about the others?
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
“not great at SS = Omar next to the carcass of Tejada
Some say that some cannot say because the Stig can make some not say what they want to say and all i want to say is i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say.
Not by the numbers. More like virtually indistinguishable fro the corpse of Tejada.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Yep
Sample size is really too small to be anything close to definitive, but DRS and UZR agree that he’s clanky as hell as a SS (in about a grand total of one season spread mostly over 2007 and 2008) and a little below average at 2B (in a bit larger sample, mostly from 2010). All of that adds up to -10 at least at SS. Serviceable, I guess, with the guys like Cain and Lincecum who don’t give up a lot of ground balls. But I would probably use Fontenot at SS and Keppinger at 2B if I were going to play them together.
LIKE LIKE LIKE
or +1, whatever
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He led the league in the "strikeouts - to - at-bats" ratio in 2008 (19.1) and 2010
Ahh he’s like an eckstein?!?!?!
Nope
everytime he comes up he strikes out 19 times.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
by kezargiants on Jul 19, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great...
the trade is now doomed. Keppinger will become a cancer in the clubhouse
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will bat cleanup at some point
by Headhunter Rollins on Jul 19, 2011 3:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
I'm loving this trade.
Not sure he’s a shortstop though. He would make a really good platoon partner with Fontenot.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 19, 2011 3:41 PM PDT reply actions
hard to work a “LOL” into this name
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DAMN IT!!
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You've got me wrapped around you finger
Do you have to let it Kepplinger…
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by hairball on Jul 19, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
IM AMUSING MYSELF
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by shanghaijim on Jul 19, 2011 3:42 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
LOL GIANTPAIN!!!
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I saw that, too.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
"And we don't have to look at Jamey Carroll any more than we need to, either."
Best part of this trade.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't totally get how Twitter works, but why did he tweet at himself?
LoganDobson Logan Dobson
@Every6thDay @davidtiao @logandobson @8thinnweirdness no way. The difference between a guy with ML success and one without is VAST.
45 minutes ago
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
dig it
Id play fontenot at SS and keppinger at 2b every day.
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don't steal my wording
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I dig it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
CAAAAAN YOOOOOOU DIG IT?!
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by 1ManWolfPack on Jul 19, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
At firstblush, I liked this trade.
My second impression, though,is much fmore of a big “meh”. He’s a slappy middle infielder who can draw a couple walks and fake shortstop well enough to start there in a pinch. Sound familiar?.
He’s not bad, and almost certainly worth what the Giants gave up, but he’s not quite a good enough fit to solve the problem at hand.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
More pop than Fontenot and arb eligible.
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The current team could use two Fontenots (Fonteni?) though.
by Natto on Jul 19, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Periannath
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by shanghaijim on Jul 19, 2011 3:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
‘hobbitses’
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Having another Fontenot on the team sounds like a good thing to me.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Why does Fontenot’s face look so scary? Who’s wearing the helmet?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 19, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
& Belt is back, too
Hooray for Tuesday!
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I know you think that YOU liking the trade is a bad omen, Grant..
But I like it. And I my opinion is never wrong. ; )
Go Bears!
This was fantastic
Bill Hall is a shell, Manny Burriss never even had the thing in the shell in the first place
The first six innings are overrated.
When he goes to Japan and comes back 10 years from now
by Hyoton on Jul 19, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
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BREAKING
The only reason the Giants called up Belt was so that he could be on the active roster for Belt Buckle day.
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Yes! I totally thought this when they’d mention it during the broadcast.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 19, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Keppinger might dissolve into Ricky Ledee and hit .230/.280/.290 for the rest of the year,
How fucking sad is it that I read this and thought, “Hmm, that’s not so bad.”?
Me too
Still an upgrade
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The best thing is that Manny Burriss will probably be limited to pinch running
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Bwahaha
and you said Manny would start vs the next lefty!
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
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“Gerald Ford dead today…”
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Tejada eaten by wolves
The first six innings are overrated.
That’s the reason the site “went down”, to buy Grant more time.
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So is Crawford or Burriss sent down tomorrow? Or is Tejada on the DL?
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I think Tejada on the DL
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This
Since there will need to be a corresponding 40 man move, my guess is Tejada goes on DL tomorrow to open a spot on the active roster and Freddy is moved from the 15 day to the 60 day DL to clear up a spot on the 40 man.
by RenoGiantsFan on Jul 19, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds right.
I’m starting to think that we won’t see Freddy until May or June of 2010.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
We’ll need a time machine to see him again!?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
What happened to him this year? FOUR walks in 163 at bats?
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
Only 7 strikeouts!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 3:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Every at bat is a ball in play.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Just like
Rollins
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Only 5 GIDPs!
You want to see a walk? Then go watch the mailman.
by SeeingStars on Jul 19, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
With Keppinger’s inability to strike out, he’s the new everyday two-hole guy. Guaranteed.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Can we just take his shoulders and insert them into Freddy then?
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by Badly Browned on Jul 19, 2011 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions
According to my theory on Bochy’s theory on two-hole guys, the only thing that matters is Ball in Play Percentage. And Keppinger’s career average is better than any healthy player on the Giants is doing right now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I just can’t stop thinking of what the cover art would look like on “Bochy’s Two-Hole Guys”….
by capn on Jul 19, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Mike Fontenot kind of futzes this theory a bit, but every one of the other guys we’ve seen bat second this season have had really high ball-in-play percentages. Even Burriss. In fact, Burriss’s is the second highest on the team after Tejada.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
And Keppinger’s this year is an atmospheric 91%.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he looks at GIDP rate as well
And Keppinger is (as one would expect from a not particularly fast guy who puts a lot of balls in play) a bit of a liability in that department.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
He's a middle infielder
That already guaranteed he would be batting 2nd.
SCIENCE.
The first six innings are overrated.
wow times have changed
It wasn’t long ago when Sosa was off limits. Also how long is Keppinger under control for?
Kickham where it hurts
Was Sosa on the 40 man?
or does Hinshaw get DFA’d?
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
I don’t think so. He was DFA’d earlier this year.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Ok cool. thanks.
Kind of funny that the Astros got someone they could have had for free.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
I think the trade is more good than bad,
but what becomes of Belt? Off the bench? Or does Boch start him for Huff?
RIght now, there’s no chance the Ross/Torres/Nate outfield is disturbed.
Belt’s starting tonight. Hopefully a sign of things to come.
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The Giants have made two moves to shore up their offense ahead of a tough trip to Philadelphia and Cincinnati. They have acquired infielder Mike Keppinger from the Houston Astros for two minor-league pitchers and summoned first baseman/outfielder Brandon Belt from Triple-A Fresno.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
How's this Mike Keppinger guy?
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Shit, Sabes got screwed.
“OK, we’ll give you /grumblemumble Keppinger for your 2 pitchers”.
“Sold!”
/Astros Gm giggles…
by younghutch on Jul 19, 2011 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Made me lol.
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by 1ManWolfPack on Jul 19, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Youre a better man than I am gunga din
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by shanghaijim on Jul 19, 2011 4:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
That's probably how it went down.
Ed Wade is an idiot.
And yes, I am a Buster Posey fan, but also an Astros fan.
http://www.FireBradMills.com
http://www.FireEdWade.com
All I know is he played winter ball with Pedro Sandoval.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
so much like Mike Fontenot that they share the name "mike"
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by foothillsfan on Jul 19, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Sosa and Stoffel have upside, but it’s far enough away that they’re exactly the kinds of players the Giants should trade for a fair-not-outstanding player like Keppinger.
This is exactly right.
I am pretty sure Sosa was DFA’d to take him off the 40 man at the same time RyRohl was DFA’d, and no one picked him up. ASTRLOLs.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Trans-Neptunian object.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 19, 2011 3:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They just did
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Keppinger sounds like Clevinger – any time I can use a Catch-22 reference to refer to a player is a good time.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
/deliberately says something negative about Catch-22 to get you riled up
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
/bans you with an obscene animated gif
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I need to annotate that book for my summer homework. It’s a terrific book, but I’m not sure how I would go about annotating it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
in my rebel days, that was a rebel book, so I shoplifted it. They didn’t assign stuff like that in my high school
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by foothillsfan on Jul 19, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
NOTRAN
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Love it. Keppinger makes a fine right-handed complement to Fontenot and Crawford, rendering at least two of Tejada/Burriss/Hall superfluous.
Gotta think Hall is done.
and Burriss probably will get sent to Fresno.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
the 3rd of the three will remain only fluous
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Jul 19, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Any word on other transaction yet?
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I think this year is pretty extreme, even for him
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jul 19, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Most important question
Does Keppinger look like Grant?
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Another trade by Sabean that wasn't on the press' radar
he really does keep the ship tight, but how does he keep other teams from talking? Does he warn them to keep their traps shut?
The thong is, it happened.
I was wondering the same thing. I don’t think anyone had even a tiny inkling that this trade was happening.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Because he had this post already prepared?
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Keppinger was being discussed
as a likely Sabean target on KNBR over the weekend.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
I was not aware of that. Thanks for the info.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Yeah
it was pure speculation by the Host (Marty Lurie i think), but a couple of callers went along with it.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
I’m not a huge fan of Marty’s analysis, but good for him on that one. I never would have guessed.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Basically some out there KNBR caller
was proposing a trade for Carlos Lee. Marty basically said that it was a terrible idea and offered up Keppinger as a possible target from Houston.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
I think Marty is pretty good
His pre-game keys to watch for very often turn out to be pivotal apspects of the game
The thong is, it happened.
Marty speaks for 13 hours a day so I presume he has discussed a trade for just about every active player in MLB.
This
discussions by fans are one thing but actually getting a trade done is awesome.
A lot of grip by Braves fans about not picking up Keppinger
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Yes he somehow managed to avoid the media circus that is the Jeff Keppinger trade market
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Jul 19, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
LOL IRL
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by shanghaijim on Jul 19, 2011 3:58 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Liking this trade even more
Career slash line against LHP: .337/.386/.498
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Also
19 Ks v. 44 BBs in 604 PAs against LHPs
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Yeah, he rakes lefties. That’s good, because the Giants now have a bunch of lefties swarming the infield.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
I like Fontenot and Keppinger as 2012 back up IFs too
Both should be cheap. Keppinger is basically a less expensive DeRosa (plus a wrist)
I have no idea who will be starting at short next year, but I like the idea of Keppinger and Grant backing up him, Panda and hopefully Freddy.
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
If they want to save money
I wouldn’t be all that upset with Crawford, Fontenot, and Keppinger all competing for the starting SS job and as the backup infielders. Assuming Ross is re-signed they could open the season with a lineup of Torres-Sanchez-Sandoval-Posey-Belt-Ross-Schierholtz-Crawford with Whiteside, Huff, Keppinger, Fontenot, and Rowand off the bench. I’d be ok with that.
Thing A
I think it’s very, very unlikely they re-sign Cody Ross. As much as I like him, I don’t think they should, either.
thats fine
I wouldnt want to give him a long term contract anyway. That leaves Huff or a Huff/Rowand platoon for LF and the team signs another OF or gives Neal/Ford a chance to win a job.
Thing A
The guy rarely strikes out
And from what I’m hearing does work against LHP. Kind of digging this trade.
Also Belt starting today? Glad Huff is getting a needed break.
Huff shouldn't need a break
All-Star break was just a week ago and he took off a day early.
by JoeBu Needs a Refill on Jul 19, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
ASG Break . . .
. . .was really only two days because of the Wednesday workout. Have you seen how many innings Huff has been in this season? It’s something astounding (BBref shows the Giants’ pitching staff with 883.1 IP and Huff’s positional innings as adding to 897.1, which is bizarre); he’s had basically one day off and two days as a DH. Couple that with back and/or leg problems, and Albert Pujols would need a rest.
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huff's more inning than the pitchers
could be attributed to having to play the top of the ninth but us not having to pitch the bottom of the ninth due to us being ahead…
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Jul 19, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeh, that occurred to me after I hit POST.
But well done, that man.
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LOL
I was just at the photocopier listening to Mike Murphy interview Jeff Passan wherein Passan was talking about the Giants getting Reyes, and I come back to this.
I love it. Giants gave up practically nothing and this guy will certainly help. Even better, BELT!!
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Jeff passan was at your photocopier?
You should’ve attacked him with a pie and declared yourself a psychotic Giants fan.
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by shanghaijim on Jul 19, 2011 4:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I know, wtf? We’re all evil now? He basically said we’re Raiders fans.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Evan Crawford! Totally forgot about him. Hows he doing this yr?
.334 avg in A+, 21 2B, 23 Sb to 5 CS, in 326 Abs
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
Wow, I’m shocked. That’s a great stat line for Crawford. The FSL is a pitcher’s league, so you have to give him even more points for that. I really didn’t think he was much of a prospect in the Giants system.
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yeah that one might come back to bite us
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
That’s Gary Brown pretty much, yeah? Well he has 20 points of BA on Brown, but Brown has almost 2x the steals
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jul 19, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I like Brown a lot more
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jul 19, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I wasn't sure how to react
hankschulman Henry Schulman
I asked Affeldt if Kepp was a good hitter. He said of former Reds mate, “Yes, and a smart hitter. Rakes lefties. Except me, of course.”
25 minutes ago
Doesn’t strike out!
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jul 19, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So true!
0-2 vs Affeldt lifetime. But 5-11 vs Zito.
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BAGGS:
Freddy Sanchez moved to 60-day DL to create 40-man spot for Keppinger. Giants don’t have to make 25-man space for him till he arrives tmrw
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Bill…Manny has vroom
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I completely agree.
At least Burriss is able to pinch run and get those valuable bases in the late innings if need be.
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Are you forgetting all those Bill Hall errors and botched plays?
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Houston had a large enough sample size to DFA him in favor of Keppinger.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
He bobbled a ball here in Houston to load the bases on 2 outs
Next pitch was a grand slam. Go figure…
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Actually . . .
.. . Keppinger is the better hitter, but by so small a margin that they’re virtualy equal. I am not positive about defense, but I do believe Hall is considered a bit better than Keppinger at all positions they play. Keppinger is really, all in all, a one-up replacement for Hall, which will be interesting when Hall comes off the DL.
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And Burriss stays?
Seems unlikely. If it does happen, it is just sheerly stupid.
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My guess is that they would value Burriss' switch-hitting "ability" and perceived plus defense
as being more valuable than what Hall has brought to the table thus far.
"Thus far" is 41 PA.
But it would be so very Bochean to use that as the basis for an evaluation.
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Manny Burriss is so much crap. Just shows how far Bill Hall has fallen.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 19, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Bill is on the DL, getting rid of him does nothing. Manny will probably be sent to AAA.
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Well
They can’t DFA Hall while he’s on the DL, so this isn’t even in the conversation until he is eligible to come off the DL.
by RenoGiantsFan on Jul 19, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Freddy Sanchez moved to the 60 Day
Giants won’t make 25 man roster space move until tommorow.
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With Belt, Keppinger and Fontenot in the lineup together, our offense isn't quite so swiss cheeze
Please keep hitting Nate and Eli
The thong is, it happened.
I didn't list him or Cody because they're hitting as expected
Nate and Eli are the ones whose numbers seem more suspect (knock on wood)
The thong is, it happened.
Amy G is saying that they’re checking out Tejada right now. If they decide to DL him, Hector Sanchez will be on the bench tonight.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
Ray Ratto calls Keppinger Hall 2.0
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But he’s talking about Mike Keppinger
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oh.
hopefully Mike Keppinger can perform better than Mike Zito and Mike Tejada.
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Ratto does not seem to know much about baseball. (Or hockey for that matter, but that gripe belongs on FtF).
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean this is not good analysis?
Sharks win game 1: This is the year Sharks win it all
Sharks loses next game: Sharks are the worst hockey team in the history of NHL
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What's wrong with that?
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He is exactly correct.
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Oh, but I wager
that Ratto said it in a very funny tone of voice. It’s all in the delivery.
Hitting 74 on the radar gun but hitting my spots.
by VidaWantsYourCar on Jul 19, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Downs wasn't available?
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lol
Sure Belt is crying. All the way to the big leagues!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF are these douchebags so goddamn cocky about??
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we'll remember this
hahaha the giants are nuts
so the reward for the 5 strikeout game is a start the next day.
Well, the Aces pitching gave Belt a taste of what life in the NL West is going to be like,
No they didn’t, because people can hit home runs in the PCL
The correct response.
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LOL
hahaha the giants are nuts so the reward for the 5 strikeout game is a start the next day.
and
The Giants offense is so bad, a 5 K game is an improvement.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
It was only 4 and a BB
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The first six innings are overrated.
Is this our new “bitch about another team’s blog members” rivalry? I can’t say I’m thrilled at the idea.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
No, i just googled news on Brandon Belt and this made LOL when I saw the headline
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by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
According to Danny Knobler of CBS Sports, this will not affect the Giants’ pursuit of Carlos Beltran.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
LOL is that a real name
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Gock Knobler
AMIRITE?
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
The Giants still have to be long shots for Beltran though. As mentioned before, the Mets want a top prospect and are willing to eat salary while the Giants would prefer giving them prospects like the ones they just sent Houston.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
Mets are pretty much kidding themselves if they think they’re getting a top prospect for a rental.
Hella.
Also
I thought no compensation pick either.
Except Beltran has a no-trade clause and will not be going to fringe contenders.
Tigers, Giants, Phillies, and Braves are the leading contender. I find it really hard to believe that Mets will trade him to a NL East team.
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Yes...
and Philly and Detroit are really bad places to live…
I'm sure Philly would be fine
dude is on the Mets.
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This is what I expect.
If the Giants have salary flexibility and get another bat for not that much in prospect talent, they will have had a tremendously succesful July.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Yes but how will it affect the Reyes pursuit????!!?!
since I don’t post too often…
/sarcasm
by VizquelQuest on Jul 19, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I still don’t understand where Beltran fits. Schierholtz and Ross need to continue to play, obviously. So I guess Torres gets demoted to 4th OF and Ross plays CF, and I suppose even if Torres were to de-bad that would be an improvement, but a pretty marginal one. I suppose it comes down to whether you have faith that Torres can turn it around, and I kind of do, so I’m not really wild about the whole Beltran thing unless it doesn’t cost real prospects.
Yeah
they really need help in the infield and catcher more than they do in the outfield
But . . . but . . . but . . . !
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Better, yes--but how MUCH better?
Remember that pretty awful to awfully good is typically worth maybe three wins a year. Then remember that neither Ross nor Schierholtz is pretty awful. Then remember that we are speaking of maybe 40% of a season, maybe less. It comes out, when we DTM, to maybe 4 or 5 extra runs, which is about half of a win’s worth.
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At this point, the Giants won’t be trading for a player to get them 0.6 wins. They would be trading for a player that makes them better, deeper, and more versatile in the stretch run and the playoffs.
I’m confident that the Giants will make the playoffs with this lineup, but would love for them to add a switch hitting bat with some pop for the stretch run and the tough pitching of the top NL teams in the playoffs.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Something random I just remembered, when the Giants acquired Fontenot last year I put as my FB status.
mike fontenot means the giants are world series bound this year
August 11, 2010 at 4:46pm
Hella.
Did u mean it
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by shanghaijim on Jul 19, 2011 4:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
NOW COME OUT OF THE GATE HITTING OR ELSE, BRANDON BELT!!!!!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions
SUSAN, GET THOSE GATES INSTALLED IN THE BATTERS BOX!
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by satyricrash on Jul 19, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does Crawford go down no so he can develop some sort of a swing?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:06 PM PDT reply actions
I like him as a platoon it's not like we have a everyday-lock SS.
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Yes but isn't he young enough that going down could help him out?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa, he really IS the other-handed Fontenot
Adjust for Keppinger’s MLB career starting a year later, and they’re practically identical.
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It's like
Pippin and Merry!
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Is Keppinger a hobbit, too?
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
BR has him at 6 ft 185/Fontenot is 5’8" 165.
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Keppinger drank the Ent draught!
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by hairball on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well, seeing as Frodo is actually about 5’5", that makes Keppinger about 5’9".
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
At a minor league game a few weeks ago, I was making jokes about a player who looked absolutely shrimpy next to the other players, and then found out his listed height was the same as mine. Either I’m a shrimp, too, or those lists are less than truthful.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Professional athletes lying about their height? NO!
Yes, most players add 1-2 inches to their height.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Not basketball players…
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Probably not. But hockey, football, and baseball players do, at least when they are on the shorter end. The actually tall guys generally don’t feel the need to.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
That was actually chasm. Barkley was listed at 6’6"…he was nowhere near that
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It even works the other way. Apparently Bill Walton is 7’0" but insisted on being listed as 6’11" because he thought it was weird to be a seven-footer or something.
by non sequitur on Jul 19, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t want the added pressure of being a seven footer.
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Ah. I know nothing about basketball
Sorry about falling into the chasm.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Like the trade. Now off to watch season premiere of Breaking Bad before the game starts
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
Bad trade
Keppinger is from Miami. Just say no to SoFla.
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:07 PM PDT reply actions
Huff, Burrell...
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He' from Ben Lomond, actually.
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I read it was Scotts Valley
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Carl Carlton is a Bad Mama Jama
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Was kidding ...
But there is that guy who ran into a catcher …
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff from Texas, played for Miami U
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
talk about heart failure...
when this tab is closed it reads “Giants Trade for Jeff Ke…” And I’m thinking “Man Sabean’s realllly getting desperate!”
Jeff King?
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Jeff Keng?
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I would take Jeff Kent and Barry Bonds hitting 4 and 5 in this lineup.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 19, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the lineup today
Torres cf
Fontenot 2b
Sandoval 3b
Schierholtz rf
Ross lf
Belt 1b
Crawford ss
Whiteside c
Bumgarner p
If Posey were in that lineup, it would actually look impressive.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Makes me sad to think
about what this year would have been if we had good Panda and Posey in the lineup at the same time.
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At least we have Keppinger!
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
And Scotch
Scotch is your friend.
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I go through a lot of friends when the G’s are at home.
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
The optimized lineup:
Torres
Sanchez
Sandoval
Posey
Ross
Belt
Keppinger
Schierholtz
????
by Every6thDay on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like Fontenot over Keppinger against righties. Also Sanchez shouldn’t bat second. I would also play Burrell over Ross and Schierholtz in rotation. I also don’t think it’s time to give up on Huff yet.
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I guess I should’ve picked a theme. I was definitely letting Bochy’s pattern(s) influence this construction. I don’t like batting Posey second.
Also, this lineup assumes Ross is on the team next year, which I think would be 1) wrong and 2) not likely to happen anyway.
Best lineup in a month.
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by Azmanz on Jul 19, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I just looked. I remember him playing more than one game…
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by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn’t even play in that game. He was announced, but then swapped out for a pinch-hitter.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah, weird. I remember him playing for some reason..
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I am sure Sabes offered Mad Bum for Keppinger and was turned down.
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OMGOMGOMG
I actually like this lineup. Man, I hope those friends who threatened to come over have too much fun at the boardwalk and blow us off.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
That IS too much fun!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope this lineup does well
Or we may never see it again.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm liking the Brandon's hitting back-to-back
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions
Yeah
There is really nothing to not like about this trade.
Sabes got r done, dagnabbit.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 19, 2011 4:12 PM PDT reply actions
Keppinger will end up batting #2 cause he's a middle infielder right?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:13 PM PDT reply actions
2ND BASEMAN MUST BAT 2ND
"For science. You monster."
Of course
Our 3rd baseman bats 3rd.
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Our 4th basemen bats fourth
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Buster :(
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Right fielder
bats right. It’s all logic.
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
The real question is...
Do we still get beltran?
by Andrew Crispell on Jul 19, 2011 4:14 PM PDT reply actions
if they are still asking for a top prospect HELL NO.
If we can pay his remaining salary and give them Conor Gillaspie I would be all for it.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 19, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
We were never getting Beltran.
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I predict that the Giants will eat enough salary where the Mets won't demand a top prospect.
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The Mets want a prospect and have said they will pay as much as 100% of the remaining money
to get a good prospect. I think the teams who are in contention for him, would prefer to pay the money. If this remains to be the case, they might still get him for a non-Belt-Wheeler-Brown prospect, in which case I would be all for it. However, gettting Keppinger and wearing my SSS glasses while watching Nate/Ross/Torres lately, I am less amorous of Beltran.
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The Mets never said that they would pay his salary for prospects. That was reported as an unsourced story. So far it can only be treated as rumor. This time of year the rumors and lies fly fast and furious in the media.
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The $$ for prospects seems to make sense
because I’m sure they can rationalize it as "Well, we would pay at least $6 million to sign two top prospects anyway).
I’m not saying that it won’t turn out to be true – just that people shouldn’t be stating it as a known fact. Really, what the Mets end up getting for Beltran is all going to depend on how many suitors they have and whether Beltran will approve the trade. If they wait too long and ask too much the competing teams will go in a different directions and they’ll not end up with much. They’re walking a fine line in the next 7-10 days.
As for Beltran, I can’t see him approving to go to the AL (changing leagues can be a bitch) unless it’s to a team with a really good chance of winning it all – that pretty much means Boston, Texas, or Yankees. I can’t see him wanting to go to any NL team unless it’s too a comfortable situation and/or a team that has a really good chance to win it all – that pretty much means SF, Atlanta, or Philly. I think those are the 6 possible teams. I don’t think the Yankees will want him – they’ll go after pitching – so that leaves SF and 4 other teams.
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How about a three-way trade?
Giants get Beltran, gives up cash.
Mets give up Beltran, eats salary and gets prospects.
Third team (rebuilding, cash-poor) gives up prospects for cash.
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Don’t hold your breath. Has Sabes ever done a 3-team trade in his life? He often has trouble enough just getting the regular trades done.
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There are too many ways to go with this:
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty ok with this trade
Sad to lose Stoffel, but not really that sad. If Belt is up, he better be starting 5+ days a week.
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Eh
We’ll see. I want to know what made Keppinger sub-replacement level for two years in the middle of what should have been his peak. I also want to be assured that it will not happen again.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I think it’s just that if he gets cold, there’s no way for him to get on base. A bad year becomes spectacularly awful very fast with these types of players.
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Also
always raked against LHP so great with Fontenot
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On the other hand . . .
. . . informed opinion seems to be that platoon differential is fairly similar from batter to batter, and apparent variations—larger or smaller—are typically either SSS or the result of using the man as if his differential were a major handicap (if you don’t see much X-side pitching, you lose your natural ability to hit it). LHBs are the most frequent victims of that literally self-fulfilling prophecy.
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Uh
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Making a sign for tonight's game
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or
Los Angeles Dodgers of Major League Baseball
?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
You gotta work Delaware in there too
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
And Selig
I can only be nice to one person a day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow doesn't look good either.
by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Dodger Weed ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Things the Dodgers are unlikely to make this year:
1) World Series
2) Playoffs
3) Payroll
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Jul 19, 2011 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
'YOU SUCK"
Put that on the sign.
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Crawfish Boxes is pretty funny
I’m pretty dissatisfied with this trade. Unless you guys can tell me that these are actually two pretty good prospects just having down years, I’m just gonna chalk this up as another Ed Wade trade.
Yeah this is pretty dumb and unimpressive.
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That seems about right, though there is a chance Sosa or Stoffel finds himself. Not a high chance, but a chance.
what if they find each other?
That would be adorable.
The first six innings are overrated.
And being in Texas
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
1. Toast
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Wasn't Sosa . . .
. . . supposed to have been taking some steps on the raod to recovery as a prospect? Not sure, but seem to vaguely recall hearing that.
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Astros should just have a masive fire sale
get rid of everybody in that lineup except for Pence and rebuild.
Hell i would take JA Happ for AAA depth.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
J.A. Happ was who they got for Roy Oswalt.
Along with Brett Wallace.
Wandy Rodriguez and their bullpen crap should be available very soon, though. Carlos Lee and Michael Bourn as well.
Of course they are. These are the guys that thought it was entirely natural to get Zack Wheeler + Surkamp + Brown for Bourn.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Beltran at it again
after missing three games with the flu, he steps up and hits his league leading 29th double of the year. He’s now 21 for 38 lifetime against Kyle Lohse.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
Keppy!
I love this guy. but he’s not an all-star or stud of any sort.
Also, sorry to see Stoffel go. I always rated him higher than most around here. I think the Astros got a future short reliever and potential closer which isn’t a bad haul for them. On the other hand, I gave up on Henry Sosa a long time ago. He was doing better this year, but I’m still not a believer. too fragile.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 19, 2011 4:22 PM PDT reply actions
Giants have scout tonight at Yankees-Rays game
according to Ken Davidoff of NY Newsday. Scouting BJ Upton?
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
Lincecum, Cain, Wheeler, Belt, and Brown for Jeter?
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I was thinking about this while watching the Rays/Red Sox game
If the Giants had a captain, who would it be? I’d say Cain.
Yes
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He is the players rep, so they clearly view him as some sort of leader.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure I want to see Brian Wilson as captain if only because it might result in him wearing an eyepatch and pirate hat.
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 19, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Surely he'd wear the cap he had on for the Lopez show.
Both of them, in fact.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jul 19, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
And Posey.
ESPN will think its the Trade of the Century for the Giants. How can we lose if we have Jeter!
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
That won't cover it. Jeter is priceless.
These jokers in San Francisco are so low rent, not even the enormous fellow from that now-infamous Yankees-Rangers .gif would shout “FUCK YOOZ” at them.
WUT R DEY SMOIKIN OUT IN FRISCO???
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THAT’S NOT TOBACCO…
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tthere' smoking weed!
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
when you consider he makes less than Barry Zito
hmmmm
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Probably.
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Depending on the price he may be a very good pickup.
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The Giants don't need BJ Upton.
Maybe they are scouting one of Tampa’s MI
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Not with Keppinger riding to the rescue!
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by GiantMalcontent on Jul 19, 2011 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions
elliot johnson lol.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 19, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re like pizza, even a bad one is pretty good.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
So when there’s Straw Table in the break room you dont grab a slice?
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Stop dodging the question!
Do you accept the blowjob in the beak room or not?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait...
That wasn’t the question?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The beak room? I’d have to call fowl on that.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Why did you duck?
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HAHAHAHA
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I rememeber school lunch pizza, pre-reformulate dominoes.
Actually, new Dominoes isn’t all that hot either.
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Costco for value
Papa Murphy for combination of value and bulk
Best tasting…probably Zachary’s or Giordano
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This is Berkeley blasphemy, but Zachary’s is too Chicago-deep-dish for me. I prefer NY-style pizzas.
For price/ease of ordering (delivery + online ordering) I like the new Dominos pizzas with the Garlicy crust.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Is that our scout Sweet Lou?
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Matt Joyce?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
James Joyce?
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Joyce DeWitt?
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DeWitt Clinton?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Rob Blake?
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by NuschlerFace on Jul 19, 2011 5:01 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Griffin Dunne?
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Irene Dunne ?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Players I would like to hear the Giants are scouting (even if acquiring is mostly just a pipe dream):
- Ben Zobrist
- Matthew Joyce
- Nick Swisher
Players I suspect are actually being scouted:
- Johnny Damon
- Sean Rodriguez
- Felipe Lopez
- Francisco Cervelli
- Jorge Posada
- Eric Chavez
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Eric Chavez
Because getting old, broken A’s players has worked so well for us in the past.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
::sigh::
That was a wiff by the FO. Or at least looks like it so far.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Johnny Drama?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Let me make you an omelet, baby bro…
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Well that would be a catastrophe.
WHAT ABOUT JOHNNY CATASTROPHE??
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DAMN YOU ALL
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d like to have an Auntie Epitome.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 19, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
i gotta think it's
Kelly Soppach
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
Don’t teams have scouts at all the games?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
advance scouting
for World Series
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
Mysterious.
What are they supposed to be improving on? Keppinger seems to be Bill Hall in disguise.
Player Career TOP Handedness AgeIf they’re replacing Burriss, hooray; otherwise, it’s pointless. And if they are just replacing Burriss, excuse me while I whoop with unexcitement. They can’t be replacing Tejada, though they might now DL him. But, again, all in all pretty much a sideways move.
Fontenot 754 L 30
Keppinger 733 R 31
Hall 715 R 31
Crawford 446 L 24
Burriss 516 S 26
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Is Career TOP weighted for more recent seasons?
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Owlcroft tells me it is the trump card of advanced offensive metrics.
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It sure seems like it doesn’t really weight recent performance that much. Aaron Rowand over Freddy Sanchez, Miguel Tejada over Cody Ross …
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Owlcroft doesn’t believe in weighting recent performance.
At least that what he claimed when we were arguing about Huff and Burrell last season. He can correct me if I’m misrepresenting him.
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by Bhaakon on Jul 19, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No.
Explaining why will take a couple of paragraphs.
It gets into the hotly contested arena of “peak-performance age”, in which the main contenders have been, in the black trunks, J. C. Burroughs of Sabernomics, and in the white trunks with the purple stripe, MGL of The Book. The point relevant here is that (as best I understand it—I didn’t really bother with it much) the better a player is, the later his peak-performance age; if you graph players with at least 10 years’ play time and 5000 PAs, the way the average age-effect curve for those guys looks—with its relatively late peak, 29 or 30 or so—the average player of that type is actually under-represented by his career stats till about age 35. That is, his actual ability at any age below 35 (and, again, this is the average player of that type) is higher than his cumulative stat line.
Now for lesser players, the peak age is earlier, so decline sets in sooner (plus they seem to have a much faster up-front rise to peak, while the late-peaking players are slower to max up), so that the age at which their career line stops under-stating them will be rather lower. I just haven’t looked at the graphs for that, so I don’t know what that age is, but even if it’s 31 or so, all the guys we are talking about here will still be well represented by the career line.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but,
his actual ability at any age below 35 (and, again, this is the average player of that type) is higher than his cumulative stat line.
This seems to say that a guy always gets better and better until he reaches 35.(If he’s “of that type.”) Or that his stats will always underestimate him until he starts to suck. Either way, this makes no sense whatsoever.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
No
It means that the lower performance of his pre-peak seasons serves to lower his career averages.
To make a simple example, here’s an imaginary player’s age 23 through 30 seasons in OPS
.700, .750, .800, .850, .900, .900, .900, .900.
Now you’d expect his age 31 season to be close to a 900 OPS, maybe lowered a bit (but only a bit) for aging, but his career average is only .829. So after a player peaks, it can take several years for his true talent to converge with his career average.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Hall's had one decent season in the last five
Keppinger has had three decent season in the last five
The thong is, it happened.
Also
mashing of LHPs
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Make sure you have plenty of liquid?
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But Bill Hall didn’t turn out to be Bill Hall, so if Keppinger is the Bill Hall the Giants hoped to acquire all along, isn’t this a good thing?
Bill Hall only has 41 PA with the Giants
I think it’s hard to say he turned out to be anything, at this point.
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He's like Grant, but fun size.
Bill Hall turned out to be not on the roster
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s already been cut.
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Yep, simple as that. Hall was a reasonable gamble, but he didn’t look in any way like a major-league player while he was here. Same for Mark DeRosa, for that matter. Sooner or later, they’ll latch onto one of these guys who’s in game shape at the moment.
Hall was exactly 3 hits under . . .
. . . just what would be expected of him from his career line, and his BABIP was quite low. Set his BABIP to his career level and it produces (quite exactly) those missing 3 hits. So I would not rush to the judgement that he was all washed up. He did make some weak outs, but he also made some loud ones; three of those could easily have gone for hits, and that only makes his BABIP normal.
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How exactly do you measure TOP? (I know you’ve probably said this a billion times…so if you have a link to a description..)
Most of the time, I'm dumb. I'm just playing smart.
The details are hairy. Wall o' words follows.
The general idea is simple, and quite old (at least back to Earnshaw Cook in the early 60s, and Branch Rickey’s famous 1950 “Baseball Equation” shows a lot of similarities): the probability of two independent events both occurring is the product of the individual probability of each. The probability that a given batter will become a run is the probability of his getting on base times the probability of his being advanced to home. That first is the OBP adjusted for average chance of being thrown out on the bases; the identity of the second is where various formulations mostly differ, but total bases dominates it (though better results come from weighing XBH by something different from their simple base count—a triple is not worth exatly 1.5 times what a double is).
That reckoned, you then need to multiply by plate appearances, to convert the per-batter probability to actual runs. In doing this, one must reckon (which many early formulas did not) that OBP has a “compound interest” effect on scoring, because by increasing it you not only increase a given batter’s chances of becoming a run, you increase the number of players who will come to the plate to have that chance.
Beyond those basics, there is a lot of empirical fine-tuning of constants, which is basically determining the relative weights of the various events (from doubles to walks to steals to GIDP).
You can see some further discussion and results (not updated to the latest, best-constants version) here.
(Please, no one nitpick the thing on the basis of that very abbreviated, simplified presentation. The bottom line is that it is the most accurate.)
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heh
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
As a rating for individuals, no . . .
. . . because (like RBIs) so much depends on opportunities. When using the equation to calculate actual performance (usually at the team level), it is included. The TOP I calculate for individual players also sets SB, CS, and SH to zero, because those are so largely controlled by managerial tendencies (and have little effect anyway).
As Bill James demonstrated long ago, the vast majority of run-scoring effect can be captured with just AB, H, TB, and BB. The old original Runs Created thing has an average accuracy, on the team level, of something a bit over 3%; the very best modern equations, with all the bells rung and whistles blown, are a bit over 2%.
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dude
TdaddyNeal Thomas Neal
Today has been one of the longest days ever …. No broken hamate bone Tho Thank you Lord.
16 minutes ago
Stop getting (potentially?) injured!!!
TdaddyHeal
The first six innings are overrated.
but hamate bone...
you get stronger without them. did you not see the panda bomb last night?
by Brannigan's Law on Jul 19, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
i was wondering why he was AZ bound
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We should surgically remove the hamate bone of all players as soon as we sign them
pre-emptive attack against the Hamate Gremlins and their ilk!
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A jest, but sometimes one wonders . . . .
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Certainly, other than "well, it IS still surgery"
I haven’t seen anything written that goes against the playful notion of mandating Tommy John surgery for all pitchers.
zito skipped.
hankschulman Zito being skipped. Cain, Vogelsong, Bumgarner to face MIL.
guillermo mota: adopted for his veteran relieving savvy
Lots of news coming out of the front office
Lots of dead wood sweating it out right now.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
/ Aubrey Huff dabs his brow
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He’s busy making an Aaron Rowand Welcome Basket for Keppinger. It consists of 13 pounds of individually-wrapped Slim Jims, three 8×10 autographed photos of Rowand, black-and-orange Mary Jane candies and a used copy of Bruce Springsteen’s Nebraska LP.
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Hey Jeff
There’s this batting stance you should try!
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someone should write a guidebook. “Avoiding Barry Zito.”
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 19, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Calling it now...
Jeff Keppinger will hit .359/.391/.680 the rest of the way with 14 HRs in 247 PAs.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
But will he be classy?
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You know what really impressed me when I was a kid? When got Jeff King’s baseball card and saw he had 98 RBIs and only 9 HRs. I figured it was possible, but just seemed so unlikely.
Then I looked at Baseball-reference just now and saw he spent most of the year hitting CLEANUP (with a .406 SLG!), and Orlando Merced and Jay Bell getting on in front of him – hence the RBIs. Man, the Pirates team got screwed after Bonds left.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I could call Kent a lot of things, but I don’t know that “classy” springs readily to mind.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
when I was a kid, I heard people mention Kent's "Porn Stache"
I thought they meant “porn stash”, as in he had a bunch of dirty magazines in his locker.
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by non sequitur on Jul 19, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: Arnoldcorp is a great band and LA Noire is a fun game.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
LA Noire was good until I realized none of your decisions make a difference towards the end result
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 19, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The storyline for LA Noire was extremely disappointing.
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I have only gotten 2 discs in…
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Jul 19, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m playing LA Noire now. Seems a little rigid, not enough free roaming or selection of the crimes you want/
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
still toying with la noire
but not all that enthusiastic about it. prefer heavy rain, 10 times over.
by Brannigan's Law on Jul 19, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Belt up because Huff has tight Lower back. Grinding hard and Bochy wants to give him a few days.
47 seconds ago
The first six innings are overrated.
Sounds like Belt could put him on teh DL with a couple of doubles.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Didn't anyone else see Huff grab at his hamstring on that stretch at first last night?
I can well believe he’s got some back and hammy problems. But surely they said Belt wasn’t going back once he got called up again so there must be more moves in the imminent future,
by mrs. owlcroft on Jul 19, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
The sciatic nerve runs down the back of the leg – when I’m getting nerve pain it often manifests itself in the hamstring area.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if this has been a problem for, like, the entire season. I really want to understand how Huff could have gotten so terrible so quickly.
Thee and me, my friend.
I wonder if he hasn’t had something he hasn’t wanted to disclose, till it became a thing he could not continue to hide.
All speculation, but provocative.
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I wonder this about Wilson, as well.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
There are times when it seems his oblique still bothers him. I feel like I catch him doing that little half “my side feels tight” bend before he comes set.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Keppinger= Type A
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 19, 2011 4:45 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
If he steals a base, we can call him Kleptinger.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
If he carries our luggage, we could call him Schleppinger.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I know what game(s) I definitely *won't* be watching.
That Phillies series is going to be an embarrassing mess. Massacre will be the polite word.
I expect a white flag lineup
Just to make it more hilarious, I hope it is against Lee or Halladay. It is not like we were going to beat them anyway.*
*offer does not extend to playoffs.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Sabes will have Beltran by then and Beltran will hit 10 homeruns.
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HOW DARE YOU IMPLY PABLO WILL HIT NONE
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He'll get plunked and GIDP mostly.
The Phillies are going to absolutely obliterate the Giants. It won’t be fair. It won’t be funny. But it will persist for 27 innings, so it will eventually come back around to being funny.
Liar.
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Perfect
As spoken in “White Men Can’t Jump”:
“Go ahead Philly, you can pick our starting pitcher.”
“Give them the chump!”.
by Drug Runner SF on Jul 19, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean play baseball?
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LOL
A game I can skip!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
What is the over/under on runs scored that day? I take the over!
And i know Bochy is thinking that Zeets will do well against their heavily LH lineup.
The Phillies have Worley, Hamels, and Kendrick slotted against the Giants.
Which sucks, because Bochy won’t reap the benefits of overworking Halladay and Lee in the All-Star Game.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Umm, If that’s the lineup, I’d say Boch is reaping the rewards of the lineup
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Could be good Zito. Or at least good Zito followed by cough one up badly Zito vs. coughing one up all the time Zito
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 19, 2011 6:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You're worried about liking the trade?
I think the Giants should win the rest of their games this season after this.
What's the deal with Ford?
Haven’t heard an injury update for a long time…much prefer him as a pinch runner over Manny B.
The Ford is broken down obviously.
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 19, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Found On Road Dead
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 19, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Fucked Over Rebuilt Dodge
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 19, 2011 5:04 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Friend Of Repair Dude
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
this might be the most overwhelmingly positive trade reaction I’ve ever seen, and I’m on board. Potential set up men, we’ve got six. Latin americans with great arms that fizzled away, take your pick! Keppinger is a solid ballplayer, thats the best I can say about him, and its all they need.
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
You want Thing-a-mabobs?
I’ve got twenty!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
But who cares? No big deal.
I want moooooooooooooooooore
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this might be the most overwhelmingly positive trade reaction I’ve ever seen
Well, if every trade is included, the reaction to the Bengie Molina trade was pure elation here. You would have thought it was the kind of trade that made the Giants champions or something.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
When I recall that thread, I remember two images immediately:
First, the sea of green’d comments.
The second, Operation Dumbo Drop.
LOL!
Yeah, that was pretty funny
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Hyperbole on the internet eh?
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Lol Cain
Matt Cain, against whom Keppinger is 4-for-12: "I frikkin’ hate facing him. He’s a frikkin’ two-strike nightmare. You get two strikes on him and he wont go away. He’s always been a tough out for me.
from Hank’s blog
Can we get all the players that Matt Cain hates facing?
It works both ways (easier for Matt, better hitters for us) and has worked well for us in the past.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes I wonder how awesome the Giants pitching staff would be
if they were facing the Giants lineup 10-15 times a year
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They’d be like the Padres’ bullpen (which, paradoxically, sucks against the Giants).
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Well,
they would obviously all suck because they wouldn’t be “doing it in San Frnacisco”
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This is Matt Cain losing his temper.
The first six innings are overrated.
Cain's kid is pretty darn cute
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Current hitters “not getting it done.” Sabean said. Wlll still consider a rental.
Brian sounds pretty fed up.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 4:58 PM PDT reply actions
MOAR
Sabean said Giants were working on somethin much bigger that didn’t come together. Plans to remain aggressive, says team lucky ro be 15 over
I think he might be serious about Beltran.
I wonder if Pence was the much bigger “somethin”
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Bout as big as they get.
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LIVAN!
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Joba Chamberlain!
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Wow
KICKING TIRES AND KICKING ASS
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Ohh, might be time to change my boy’s sig.
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Current hitters "not getting it done."
lets not jump to hyperbole here brian
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jul 19, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
GiantPain was right!
He said it pretty well a while ago, forgive if I don’t recall the exact wording, but it was something along the lines of “I can’t imagine Brian Sabean looks at this team and thinks ‘Yeah, this will get it done.’”
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Late to the party
BELT’S BACK!!
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Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 19, 2011 5:06 PM PDT reply actions
BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK BACK GONE
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Surkamp is in AA right?
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by Gobroks on Jul 19, 2011 7:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
So does that mean i get keppinger since stoffel was traded?
by operation carrot on Jul 19, 2011 5:13 PM PDT reply actions
I believe you have right of first refusal
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
You get half of Keppinger.
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Ill try that out for a bit
but if sosa guy doesnt step forward im keeping all of him
nom nom nom
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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by operation carrot on Jul 19, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
raisingcain has Sosa….
and from what I can tell raisingcain’s last appearance here was 07/16/11 8:09 PM EDT so maybe you two should get together and chat…
TWO MCCOVENS IN THE DOME! ONLY ONE LEAVES!
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/grabs pitchfork and stun gun . . .
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 19, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Along the same line, I hear Keppinger had a hot girlfriend in Houston, but who’s Kepping her now?
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
that means he has good confidence
/momeyball’d
by operation carrot on Jul 19, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
SL
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Endora from Bewitched is in the background
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Agnes Morehead?
Looks more like Kim Cattrall to me
testing
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by operation carrot on Jul 19, 2011 5:16 PM PDT reply actions
OT: Spotify- Application\service of the year
Google + is in second place if you ask me, after 5 minutes on spotify.
Virtually free music. Share playlists with your entire FB friends list. All your music synced to your Android\iPhone.
Just thought I would share, back to baseball.
Time to repeat in '11!
great
Hey why bother supporting musicians? Spotify pays virtually nil to the artists it’s getting rich off of.
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Wrong
Musicians make the bulk of their money touring, not from album sales.
And this is acceptable?
Would you rather have somebody running a server making money off musicians, or the musicians themselves?
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with artist rights
I don’t buy cds new. I buy mostly used Vinyl or sometimes music at the shows.
I do go to occasional shows (been going more lately)
Spotify is paying artists for free service. Other digital medias have turned free to play (advertise to) services into more money than what was delivered more traditional ways
And as far as I understand, this is like online way for people to “swap cds” or the like. What is the difference, other than swapping cds doesn’t happen as easily due to physical time\money limitations.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
"Spotify is paying artists for free service."
YES! .00029 cents per play! Thank you Spotify for your generosity!
The reason you think “musicians make the bulk of their money touring” is EXACTLY because of illegal downloads and slimey companies like Spotify.
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup.
And there are a very small number of bands that make enough money to sustain a career by playing live.
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Not going to split hairs but
Musicians are not the first profession to lose jobs to electronic media or cheaper distribution\production models.
Spotify is currently legal.
Who hasn’t been fleeced the other way, paying $15 for 1 song on a crappy album?
Musicians are artists. Van Gogh sold like 1 painting in his life. Now high quality prints are free\cheap everywhere, but the original is priceless.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I think people have trouble with the whole
“People who don’t make the music make the most money from the music” idea.
musicians get paid in drugs and loose women
I am a music lover, and I don’t buy as much music as I used to because bands don’t see as much money as they ought from it. The record companies do. That being said, the record companies promote these bands at their own expense, so I support the bands that I really want to succeed.
I do buy a lot of concert tickets, and when I am at a concert I try to buy merch directly from the band, as that’s the best way to directly give them payment for their services.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Bandcamp
That’s why Bandcamp is cool. Artists make basically 100% of the profit with no middleman.
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
it is the same for everyone though
It is the corporations who can spend the money on promotions and advertising that usually ends up reaping the majority of the rewards
I am currently reading Dan Ariely and he suggests that
advertising is just a corporations way to show how much money they have—conspicuous consumption on the corporate level. I thought it was an interesting take I do not totally agree with.
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Spotify and these other music-streaming services are a step removed from that, though.
And I’m not really trying to take a side in this argument, but I don’t think it’s difficult to understand why people might not like digital media rights in the 21st century.
If the labels signed contracts, and the contracts aren't favorable,
that’s their problem. I don’t have much of a problem with a free market negotiation not going one way or the other.
And it is kind of humorous to think of 2 year old internet startup as the one holding the hammer over someone like, Sony.
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Musicians are not the first profession to lose jobs to electronic media or cheaper distribution\production models.
Musicians create content. Their jobs are not being displaced by software. The argument that creators should not expect to receive compensation for their creations during their lifetime is asinine.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
In this line.
I mean, it is the law after all.
Digital Medium has made exchange istant and with out any cost to consumers. This was never the case with hard media. It always required physical presence which either limited potential swapping partners or cost of time required to become physically present. I do find it curious that people just assume content is free because it can be transfered over the internet.
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Im just pissed off they want me to pay 15 bucks for a digital book when I can get music for free.
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The software engineers writing the software
usually aren’t getting rich off of their work either.
Also software programming is pretty much impossible to legally protect.
Music is easily protected but it’s challenge is enforcement.
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Yes, but they aren't working for .00029 Cents per script run.
And many of these music startup companies, Grooveshark, Pandora, Last.FM, Spotify, Shazam, Soundhound, Soundtracking, Lala … etc are being snapped up for large sums by major media corporations or digital distributors trying to ease competition.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Most software engineers
would love to get .00029 every time their software was run.
Haha
You’re probably right, I was trying to make the point that they have a guaranteed income, even if they aren’t necessarily striking it rich.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why?
Seriously. People seem to have forgotten this, but:
[The Congress shall have Power] To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
Copyrights are there to benefit the public, by creating an incentive for artists to produce and publish their works. They do not exist for the benefit of artists, except with respect to this incentive. So, does anyone think that, right now, there is some kind of shortage of available music? Is it hard to find stuff you like? I think not. Therefore, I conclude that, irrespective of the plight of the struggling artists, that the system is working.
(I’m not really convinced that copyrights and patents are necessary at all, but even if they are the current system’s problem is clearly not that it is insufficiently protective of copyright-holders. Quite the opposite.)
Displaced by software is not happening. Neither is receive compensation. Few bands outside ultra talented would be able to penetrate larger than their metro’s selling cds out of their trunks, and without a label. Music labels getting squeezed, musicians cut of that pie is diminished, but let me say again, they would mostly not have got that big without the label.
Not saying Labels are the villian. I am saying new media, internet, making file distribution across channels cheaper. Do you blame people with software development jobs for stealing record label jobs? You going to stand in front of progress and call it all evil? They did that before too, horrible times.
And besides not being able to not control all this, neither of us. This is taking bites out of criminal bit torrents, and actually giving artists a slice.
Also giving artists cheaper ways to distribute globally.
It is the way it is, if it was not spotify, it was someone else.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
“Musicians are artists. Van Gogh sold like 1 painting in his life. Now high quality prints are free\cheap everywhere, but the original is priceless.”
What on earth are you trying to say?
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
lol
that is all fail. Sorry.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Musicians have always made most of their money from playing live, not from record sales. Products like Pandora or Spotify, I’d argue, would most likely benefit the majority of musicians if the artists weren’t paid by them at all.
And on the broader issue of musicians getting paid, in general, I’m not that sympathetic. They’re doing something that many people would do for free, and their tangible product (recordings) is essentially zero marginal cost to produce.
Sad.
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“Products like Pandora or Spotify, I’d argue, would most likely benefit the majority of musicians if the artists weren’t paid by them at all.”
Well, if I sell an album on iTunes, I make about $5. If someone streams my entire album on Spotify, I make $.0029. So, how exactly is that benefiting me?
They’re doing something that many people would do for free
Maybe people that are clueless. Sometimes sitting in a room 10 hours a day for months on end trying to write something isn’t as fun as you think. Just like everyone wants to write a novel until they realize how much work it is.
and their tangible product (recordings) is essentially zero marginal cost to produce.
The physical material itself, maybe, but last I checked recording equipment, studios, engineers, and mastering engineers aren’t free. But maybe they should be, since some people would be willing to do it for free!
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 7:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Economics
recording equipment, studios, engineers, and mastering engineers aren’t free.
These are fixed costs. They are (mostly) irrelevant to the pricing decision. In a competitive market, the profit-maximizing quantity occurs when marginal revenue = marginal cost. Marginal cost of an additional mp3 is essentially zero. Only IP enforcement keeps this from coming true, by limiting competition (in the mp3 duplication racket). But because the marginal cost of production is still zero and the means of production are widely and cheaply available, this is an inherently untenable situation. I just do not see how selling recordings can continue to be a major source of income for musicians.
Performances are intrinsically scarce, so people will pay for them. Recordings, not so much.
Sometimes sitting in a room 10 hours a day for months on end trying to write something isn’t as fun as you think. Just like everyone wants to write a novel until they realize how much work it is.
I don’t know how to break it to you, but music and books both existed long before IP law.
Ok...
I give up. Musicians don’t deserve shit.
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It isn’t about deserving. The market doesn’t care about deserving; it made Justin Bieber a millionaire many times over.
Look, I like music. I don’t steal it; heck, I’m probably the last person I know who still buys CDs. I go to concerts, buy merch. But the economic model where musicians receive a substantial portion of their income by selling recordings is dying and it probably isn’t coming back. But my prediction is that people will still make music and they’ll figure out a way to make a living. I don’t know if they’ll do more performances, work other jobs, or acquire wealthy patrons, but I don’t think we’re headed for some kind of music-free wasteland.
Um
Some do. I don’t. Besides the point- how does this assumption of your make it ok to not pay for their music?
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
HA HA HA
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
This is not true, not at all. Stop saying this.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I always thought that for musicians who are not signed to a major label – the majority of musicians, not just the stars – royalties from publishing rights garner far less cash than the combination of the crumbs club owners let fall and whatever they can sell at the merch table. Not that I’ve done a lot of research.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Trust me.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I’m on a small indie label and they split everything with me 50/50. From what I’ve read, most major label contracts give something around 10% to the band.
by Into the Void on Jul 19, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Crash would know
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure they gave up this year?
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
But they still probably did not want to give a player they had another year of control over for low prospects.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I believed -- foolishly -- that their 2010 second half was a good omen for this season.
Not that they’d challenge for the division, of course, but certainly not lose 100+ games.
Cubs are raking against Cliff lee
Johnson Double
Castro Home run
Ramirez Double
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Is it still 250 degrees in Chicago?
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So the Cubs can't hit anyone BUT the Phillies aces?
LOL
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
(apologies to Mary Wells and Jr. Robinson)
Well, I’ve got four catchers and I ain’t confused,
I’ve got four catchers and I choose to be amused.
Let me tell you ‘bout my first catcher.
He’s young and he’s square and he answers every prayer
He treats a common fan just like a true galan
And he makes me love him.
I really, really loved him, then they too him away,
And I can hardly wait to see him back in play.
He’s my first catcher.
Let me tell you’bout my second catcher.
He’s white and he’s gray and he shows up every day
He makes those plays like a backing catcher should
And he makes me need him.
I’d outright shop him but I really really need him,
He’s my second catcher.
Let me tell you ‘bout my third catcher.
He is tall among them all, and when he comes to call
He plays it small. And no one is better with that bon declenchement, he’s my third catcher, and I don’t want his release.
‘Cause he’s my third catcher.
I’ve named three catchers, and I ain’t ashamed,
That I have one more catcher that I haven’t named.
Do you think I can’t love four? He is young, baby,
But he has swung, and I don’t feel a split, ‘cause baby,
Oh baby, I could fall for all of it.
I’ve got four catchers, and I ain’t ashamed,
I’ve got four catchers, I sometimes forget their names.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 19, 2011 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
interesting summer for our ex player Matt Downs. In Houston since we bungled the 40 man. Behind Hall and Keppinger. His wife has a baby. Once Matt gets back, he could start the rest of the yr
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
Would not hurt my feelings at all. Go Matt !
Off to the Grizzlies/Aces. Should be an ass whooping again. Have a good GDT.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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Am i the only one that thinks we won't get embarrased in Philly?
I think the Phils will take 2 out of 3, but i don’t think it will be a massacre of epic proportions.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
oh yeah.
Zito’s game will be like the game where Guillen hit a HR last year. Can’t remember who started that one but it was all Phillies.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
Well considering
the Phillies are losing to the Cubs. I think the Giants will be okay.
The Phillies’ offense is not that great either.
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I don't care who hears it
Phillies team offense is slightly above average in runs scored but just below average in OPS+. I mean still significantly better than the Giants’ offense but basically league average
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by calgiants86 on Jul 19, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this park adjusted
because I think the Giants have a lot more HRs if playing in that bandbox in Philly
You know this game is in Philly right?
And it will be loud as (Bleep)
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
San-chez, saan-chez, saaaan-chez, saaaan-chez, saaaaaaaan-chezzz
I all honesty though, i went to CBP in 2009 and thought the noise/passion level was Way less than AT&T. They were getting swept back to back by Toronto and Baltimore though, so that was probably part of it.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
In years past I would use the series as my basis for predicting doom for the Giants future prospects.
Now I just predict this series will be a total loss and an embarrassment that just means the Giants don’t completely match up with the Phillies. I will then take into account that this was the case last year, so, should these two meet again in the playoffs, it will be the playoffs and anything can happen.
Sabean said the Giants held off on doing the Keppinger trade a week or so ago because they didnt want to trade Stoffel
And then after Tejada got hurt they gave in. That isnt the only disappointing thing though.
Sabes said they were ‘working on something bigger’ until miguel got hurt and so they went back to Houston.
I heard earlier in the week on KNBR we were taking to Washington about Danny Espinosa which would definitely be bigger.. but then again it IS KNBR, so no guarantees.
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
That’s a lot of value to give up for a guy that lives on the DL
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 19, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably wanted to keep the Stoffel bullet in the chamber for a second deal.
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I’ve been thinking this since the Rasmus rumors started heating up. It seemed so Sabean because no one mentioned the Giants as suitors.
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Rasmus dropped that ball that Tejada hit earlier in the year for a walk off.
Maybe he was working for the Giants all along.
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
Agent Colby?
I mislike the ring of that
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Wait
they were working on getting a better player, and Tejada goes day-to-day and suddenly there’s an emergency? I’m not buying that, especially with the long leash they’ve given Huff. At least that ended today, too.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
No
They held back on the Keppinger trade cuz of Stoffel. They decided to give him up when Miggy went down.
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yeah, but I still don’t think Miggy is even on the DL right now. How is losing him, of all people, for a day or two an emergency?
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Miggy is likely going to go on the DL. Obviously, Giants know more than we do on Miggy’s health. Steward also talked about how the injury severely hampers Tejada already LOL range.
I have a feeling that Miggy is either going on the DL for a long time or will be restricted to pinch hitting
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Then why not just put him on now?
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
if he can PH
you gotta keep him because of the thin bench tonight
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
No need to. They moved Freddy to the 60 day and don’t have to make a move until tomorrow.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It nice to know that the Giants value some of these middle ranking prospects and that the use a sliding scale for risk/benefit ratio.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Heh
Cant believe Hank retweeted my YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS OF ME tweet,
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:39 PM PDT reply actions
hey GoT nerds
They cast, like, everyone on Dragonstone today. If you didn’t see it earlier:
-Carice van Houten as Melisadre
-Stephen Dillane as Stannis
-Oliver Ford Davies as Maester Cressen
-And just announced, Liam Cunningham as Davos
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 19, 2011 5:40 PM PDT reply actions
I don't see Davos news on WiC yet
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
ahh entertainment weekly says so, it must be true
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
yeah it just got tweeted by James Hibberd a minute ago
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 19, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
he certainly looks the part.
and the Stannis and Mel castings are great. Good times.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
On the casting couch all the stars are unknown, I know, I know, oh oh oh!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Davos
westerosorg Elio & Linda
Looks like @CliveStanden was spot on with his news of CAMELOT and Arthuriana-related actors getting cast! #GameOfThrones
lol “I DONT LIEK HER HER HAIR IS SHORT AND ISN”T RED AND HE ISN"T BALD AND HAS NO BEERD"
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
Stephen Dillane was awesome as Leonard Woolf.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
those all look good
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
enjoying clash of kings so far
theon just had an awkward revelation about his sister that made me lol
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
they should also cast Keiith Allen as Balon
because why the fuck not?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
lol theon
forever lol theon
also, Asha just gets better as the series goes on.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jul 19, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
i like her already tbh
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I'm halfway through Storm of Swords
Shit done got real about halfway through. Done got real.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Aubrey Huff v. Brandon Belt
Huff: Swing hard and miss at the first two pitches; hit a slow roller to second on the third pitch. Amble back to the dugout looking grim and stoical.
Belt: Display excellent major league-level technique and form and timing; work the count to 3-2; foul off a few pitches; hit a slow roller to second on the tenth pitch. Amble back to the dugout looking grim and stoical.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 19, 2011 5:41 PM PDT reply actions
I’ll take the latter for pitch count purposes only.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
That is to say, I agree with all of you, but I’m still a realist.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 19, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I would enjoy the sarcasm if it weren’t for your posts in the post-game thread the other night.
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I agree with both of you, but I’m still a realist.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 19, 2011 5:43 PM PDT reply actions
Thomas neal tweet
SF it’s been real…..that freaked me out
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Pirates playing like the
Giants! Up 1-0 after six.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 5:45 PM PDT reply actions
LOL MLBTR
jctrock 5 minutes ago
Great to have a middle infielder after Bill Hall going down with a laceration and on the DL. He can he? That is a huge bonus! LET’S GO GIANTS! jwredsox Brian Sabean has never signed anyone to a long-term deal… Bruce Magowan signed Rowand and Zito.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Bruce Magowan
isn’t he a KNBR guy
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by kezargiants on Jul 19, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Burrell was probably involved somehow
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
bahts
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Out of curiosity, I decided to see how many MLB players were English-born
There were 34. The bulk of them played in the late 1800s and early 1900s. Most recent was Phil Stockman who only played for two seasons, the last being 2008.
And he’s really Australian, I imagine, what with going to HS there.
Baseball doesn’t have a big following over here, much less than basketball and NFL do. I dunno how you’d go about getting on anyone’s draft radar from the UK
There’s a different sort of baseball in Wales, isn’t there?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
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Hi! I'm Del Shannon!
I make most of my money from touring!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Who's this Harrison guy
at third base for the Bucs?
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 5:50 PM PDT reply actions
I just read that the Phillies and Red Sox are aggressively going after Beltran and will give the Mets what they want. They expect a deal soon.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
?
I read that RS is not interested in Beltran at all. I really really doubt the Mets will trade Beltran to a NL East team.
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If they’ve given up the pretense of contending this year and Beltran’s likely gone at the end of the season anyway since the Phillies don’t have the money to re-sign him, does it really matter?
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
If they give the Mets anything more valuable than what the Giants just gave the Astros it will be an overpay
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember 9 years ago
When the Royals traded Beltran to the Astros. I read that the Royals were not worried because David DeJesus was the shit and would easily come to replace Beltran’s production.
Also, the Astros went to the WS that year, almost entirely because Carlos Beltran is MUCH better than David DeJesus.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
9 years, 5 knee ligament repairs, and 500 games ago.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 19, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Beltran is exactly the sort of player who goes down immediately after being acquired in a trade. He’s not 29 years old anymore. He’s a dive away in RF from going down permanently.
Not worth a top prospect
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 19, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Phillies have the prospects to make this deal .
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck the Phillies.
if it’s not the Giants i’d want Pittsburgh to get him
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
Beltran in RF would make the Pirates the best team in the Central by a good margin
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I'm actually encouraged by Sabean's comments
But I’m not worried that he’ll overpay or trade one of the untouchables. Feels strange.
/drinks
friends, do we trust Sabean now?
Or do we fear he will shit the bed ala Garko and Guillen?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I’m on record as loving the Garko trade when it first happened. It wasn’t Sabean’s fault Garko misplaced his meds.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 19, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
LOOK MA! ANOTHER REMAKE!
Al Gore directs
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 19, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
We need a hero with a mullet
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Tulo’s mullet is gone,baby gone.
"There have been only two geniuses in the world. Willie Mays and Willie Shakespeare." - Actress Tallulah Bankhead (1962)
by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm calling it right now
Today is the 2011 equivalent of May 29 last year.
/super optimistic
The first six innings are overrated.
This?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN201005290.shtml
"For science. You monster."
Posey promoted, Burrell signed, NL west team stomped, shiny trophy won (eventually)
The first six innings are overrated.
Denny Bautista pitched in that game. got a hit in that game.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
Man, I was there and I don't even remember that
The first six innings are overrated.
I remember my dad, who was at the game.
Texting me about the ridiculousness of seeing D. Bautista with a 1.000 average on the scoreboard.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
just a hahahaha LAUGHER
by the bay. I could certainly take a 12-1 game tonight with Multiple Belt RBIs and a Mota single.
Oh well, i will take my 2-1 game and like it.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
The Rockies decided not to play today
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 6:04 PM PDT reply actions
Sabes says:
Current hitters "not getting it done." Sabean said. Wlll still consider a rental. Plans to remain aggressive, …
Tires across America cringe in anticipation.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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TIRES ACROSS...AMERICA!
Atta babe, good pick.
Yay! More mercenaries!
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
LOLATOS
If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious shit!
-Doc Brown, Zito fan
Four Catchers
(apologies to Mary Wells and Jr. Robinson)
Well, I’ve got four catchers and I ain’t confused,
I’ve got four catchers and I choose to be amused.
Let me tell you ‘bout my first catcher.
He’s young and he’s square and he answers every prayer
He treats a common fan just like a true galan
And he makes me love him.
I really, really loved him, then they too him away,
And I can hardly wait to see him back in play.
He’s my first catcher.
Let me tell you’bout my second catcher.
He’s white and he’s gray and he shows up every day
He makes those plays like a backing catcher should
And he makes me need him.
I’d outright shop him but I really really need him,
He’s my second catcher.
Let me tell you ‘bout my third catcher.
He is tall among them all, and when he comes to call
He plays it small. And no one is better with that bon declenchement, he’s my third catcher, and I don’t want his release.
‘Cause he’s my third catcher.
I’ve named three catchers, and I ain’t ashamed,
That I have one more catcher that I haven’t named.
Do you think I can’t love four? He is young, baby,
But he has swung, and I don’t feel a split, ‘cause baby,
Oh baby, I could fall for all of it.
I’ve got four catchers, and I ain’t ashamed,
I’ve got four catchers, I sometimes forget their names.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 19, 2011 6:09 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
/rec
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I love this
Desperate times my friends
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
LOLHUFF no pressure kid
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Huff says if Belt gets five hits a game over next three, he should stay out there. “That’s the way this team is built.”
1 minute ago
Oh, that’s all?! No problem!
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
You fell into Huff's chasm
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Jul 19, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
And you fell into mine!
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
INCEPTION
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Jul 19, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff waits for first out
“I gave him a chance”
Huff figures that if someone can roll over to 2nd 15 straight AB's, then
obviously those could be hits too
Wow you look so sexy Beltran
Atta babe, good pick.
YES!
Just got offered tickets to tonight’s game. Don’t know where they are, don’t really care.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 6:13 PM PDT reply actions
Sat up in 333 for Posey Bobblehead and sat next to an awesome crowd! Lotsa fun I didn’t think we would.
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect they will be on the arcade. And that I won’t have to pay for them.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
With all this Keppinger talk
But the weirder Wilson’s appearance gets, the more scrutiny he finds. And in the five-game run-up to the All-Star game Wilson had a blown save against the Cubs, a blown win against the Mets — when he took a bat to a cooler in the dugout for a SportsCenter highlight — and a loss against the Padres. Even his forgiving legions of Giants fans were getting worried.
You’ve got to wonder why Wilson chooses to put any more pressure on himself when he already has one of the most pressure-filled jobs in sports. But that’s what he’s doing.
The beard and the outfits and the odd sound bites only work if he’s saving games and shutting down his opponent. If he doesn’t do that, he’s just a clown.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
"blown win?
It was a tie game.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
and the water cooler game was againt DET
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
So is Zito avaliable out of the pen?
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
LOL
actually think that would be hilarious. Get R done bochy.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
My 2 cents
A nice low-level trade.
Sosa was not going anywhere in the system, and would likely be taken awy in the Rule 5 draft in December anyway.
Stoffel has some potential as a setup man in the majors, or as a closer for a really desperate team. However, he had already lost spots on the reliever depth chart to Heath Hembree and Dan Otero since the beginning of April and he had Stephen Harrold, Brett Bochy and Jacob Dunnington nipping at his heels. Not to mention that Bryce Bandilla, Chris Marlowe and Ray Black are all poised to pass him by in the next year or 2 if they all sign with the Giants before August 15th.
I’m still very nervous that Sabes is going to trade for Melky Cabrera, Jeff Francoeur or Josh Willingham sometime in the next 2 weeks – in an attempt to recapture all of the golden goodness of the Jose Guillen trade last year.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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meh i would take any one of those outfielders if it didnt cost anything substantial
Melky is having an ok year
willingham has always been a white whale around here
francoeur
maybe not francoeur
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Jul 19, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I want Ubaldo.
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice summary.
Valued at vastly more than 2 cents. Melky Cabrera: can there be anyone in the known universe who thinks he has some worth? And I thought Francoeur was now only a punch line for feeble jokes.
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Thanks
RE: Melky and Francoeur. Didn’t you think that Guillen was worthless before we got him last year? The reason I’m afraid about these 2 guys is that Sabes likes to make trades with the same guys over and over again, so I’m afraid that he’s already feeling comfortable with the KC GM now.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I did not think Guillen worthless . . .
. . . at the time of the trade. Not worth much, but some hope. Then I saw him “run” and it was all over: the man was effectively a cripple.
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Kepp's got a great swing:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=4040091
Atta babe, good pick.
lol
sounds like that was his first game as a Stro.
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This made me LOL
As MLBTR’s Transaction Tracker shows, GMs Ed Wade and Brian Sabean have matched up for many trades before, including deals involving Ricky Ledee, Alfredo Simon and, most recently, Matt Downs. Alyson Footer of the Astros first reported the trade (on Twitter).
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
WTF is Alfredo Simon?
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Good Giant and long man for Baltimore (now a starter, apparently). He was involved in a murder case in the Dominican this offseason, as I recall.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
did ever make the bigs with SF?
hmmm…i thought he was the throw in for the Ledee deal.
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per Wiki
He made his professional debut in 2000 for the La Vega Phillies in the Dominican Summer League.2 In 2004, the Phillies found out his real name and age. Shortly after that, he was traded with Ricky Ledee to the San Francisco Giants for Felix Rodriguez.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
He was pretty terrible in his time in the Giants’ system. They really got nothing at all out of the Ledee deal.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Ledee
was one of the worst pickups ever. He hit like .113 and had some clubhouse run ins i believe.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
PujoLOLs
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 6:24 PM PDT reply actions
Kepp is what I saw on Crawfish Boxes
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It's a tough one
His name is Jeff so I’m tempted to call him “Joffrey” from Game of Thrones
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Terry Mann!!
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions
King of Zamunda!
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Proud Adoptive Parent of one of the best Five Tool Players, The Machine.
Votto whiffs!! 2 out in top of eighth. Resop pitching (Resop spelled backwards?).
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:26 PM PDT reply actions
Crawfish Boxes take on the trade
Before we get into what the Astros received I want to cover what the Giants are getting Keppinger. Offensively he’s only a slightly above average hitter, his baserunning is average and his defense is slightly below average. Though I will say he has the aptitude to make a nice play or two at second. He can also play short (pray he never does), third base and left field. His biggest asset is that he doesn’t strikeout much and walks at a decent clip although that’s been down this year. He’s an average second baseman that should help improve the Giants offensively.
If this was the best offer made, then Ed Wade should of waited. The fact that their both relievers just makes it worst and they’re not even that highly regarded. Maybe at one time they were, but now they’re both projects. The Astros are lacking pitching prospects but this hardly fulfills that need. Both could make the big leagues and I think Stoffel is a candidate to be a closer, but if Ed Wade is trying to save his job trades like these aren’t helping his case. He may not lose this trade but he certainly didn’t win it.
There have been a lot of calls for the Astros to go into full sell mode, if these are the types of trades we can expect I’m hoping this is one of the few moves Wade makes.
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I tell you that site is comedy gold. These days there are are more laughs to found in their serious posts than in most of Grant’s humorous and spoof posts.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
LOL GRANT
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
That wasn’t a dig at Grant, just a comment on how funny the Crawfish site unintentionally is.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
I know.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Are you referring to the content or the poor writing?
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Content. You find poor writing everywhere (I even produce some of it now and then), so that’s not anythig special.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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Hmmm.
“their” and “worst”
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You mean they “should of” written “they’re” and “worse”?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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Yes, I guess I should start reading the site .
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much.
The current NL average is about 8.3%, and that’s a sharp falloff from the 9% or so that was average till only quite recently.
Ted Williams famously wrote that even an average batter should walk 10% of the time.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Long since, madam, long since.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
“No, Susan, I said, ‘Get me Kissinger’ – not Keppinger!! All I wanted to do was to talk to Hank about his new book on China!
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
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Just got back from Harry Potter
Keppinger looks fine to me.
And LOL to the epilogue scene.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
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by Murray, Present on Jul 19, 2011 6:32 PM PDT reply actions
Bad special effects FTW!
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
WORLD CHAMPIONS
by Tim LinCyYoung on Jul 19, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLMariners
Chone Figgins gets picked off at first in the top of the 8th with 2 outs and runners on 1st and 3rd, in a tied 5 – 5 game.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 6:34 PM PDT reply actions
Crawford
tied with Torres and Scott with 17 rbi. With over 100 less at bats.
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:37 PM PDT reply actions
Dude hits GSs.
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Also, the other two have been hitting leadoff, with the incomparable Whiteside/Stewart sporadically on base in front of them
I wonder what the Giant’s averages are with RiSP.
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I would say that average is worth a lot more than OBP in this situation no?
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Thank you!
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by iloveddickdietz on Jul 19, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLBACKS
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 6:43 PM PDT reply actions
Just looking at that Carlos Gonzalez contract...
2015: $16 million
2016: $17 million
2017: $20 million
I know the deal is back loaded and the average is about $11 million a year but still…
He’s has a 1.4 oWAR and -0.6 WAR this…
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Of course he hits a homer just as I type this
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The Rockies are idiots. They don’t have a big payroll and then went and spent everything on two massive long term contracts. I don’t think Gonzalez’s one Coors-fueled year justified a seven year deal. Troy Tulowitzki is fantastic, but even he isn’t a safe bet for ten years.
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You got two threads already…be satisfied
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Pirates announcers are getting nervous.
They aren’t used to torture.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 6:48 PM PDT reply actions
Probably, but the kind of torture where you lose, not the Giants® Brand Torture.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Belt
Baby Giraffe.
"For science. You monster."
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J Schaffer...not a good looking guy
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REally like the deal
Keppinger is a solid bat that can play all four infield positions. It gives Bochy significantly more flexibility. In addition, this means we have seen the last of Tejada at short. When he comes back, I could see him playing second against lefties with Keppinger moving to short. Finally, they didn’t give up anyone that will make it more difficult to make other moves.
So all in all – a lot to like on this one.
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