Post-game thread: In honor of Ryan Vogelsong and Dave Righetti
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 10:32 PM PDT
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PrintThe Baltimore Orioles weren't supposed to be a contender this year, but they signed a bunch of veteran hitter to fill in their roster because they wanted some support for the real strength of their rebuilding process -- their young pitching. But getting young pitchers to do anything is like trying to corral kittens with a vacuum cleaner. Also, the vacuum cleaner has spikes or something that rips through kitten rotator cuffs. Ugly stuff. Needless to say, the Orioles' rebuilding plans have hit a snag.
The Cincinnati Reds came into the season with too many starting pitchers. They were going to have to send someone down to the minors or bullpen who probably could be in the rotation of a lot of teams. Then young-pitcher things happened to the young pitchers, there were flames coming from the young pitchers, a veteran or two melted because of the flames from the young pitchers. The next thing they knew, Dontrelle Willis was in the rotation (though doing okay, actually).
Which is all a long-winded setup for this question: at what point do we consider Dave Righetti to be some sort of wizard? It's not like this for other teams, like the Reds or Orioles, yet for the past few years, the Giants' pitching has been unbelievable.
Matt Cain keeps getting better. Tim Lincecum will occasionally start to veer out of control, but he always finds himself. Ryan Vogelsong shouldn't even be on a major-league roster, and now he's leading the NL in ERA. Madison Bumgarner came up to the majors as a teenager with an 87-mph fastball, and now he's a 93-mph, easy-action machine. Jonathan Sanchez is ... kind of screwing up this post. But before this season, even he was improving every year.
Barry Zito hasn't, uh, gotten that much worse. That's something to note. Kind of.
But it seems like Dick Tidrow gets the credit for finding the arms, and Sabean gets the credit for keeping them around (or in Vogelsong's case, acquiring them). Where's the love for Righetti?
Right here, dammit. Here's a post chock-full of Righetti love. I don't know what he does. I don't know a thing about pitching mechanics. But after eleven years, all I know is that Dave Righetti only does good things for a team. I think. I mean, I have no idea what the technical details are, but he's getting a reputation as a wizard, like a Leo Mazzone or Dave Duncan. Someone who can turn Ryan Vogelsong into, well, Ryan Vogelsong.
It's not like this game was all Vogelsong tonight -- with a lesser defense that's unable to turn those two double plays, it could have been a long night -- but it was mostly Vogelsong. He couldn't throw strikes last year. Now he's a pitcher who thrives on his command. How is that not wizardry on the part of Righetti? If there's a better explanation, I don't want to hear it. Rags has been a starter, and he's been a closer. Now he's just a wizard. His powers awe and frighten me.
Also, welcome to Rand McNally. Here you'll find folks wear hats on their feet, hamburgers eat people, and Ryan Vogelsong leads the league in ERA. Enjoy your stay.
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BEAT LA
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I'll just leave this here
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 18, 2011 10:33 PM PDT reply actions 83 recs
rec’d so very hard
Who needs smoking? Being a Giant's fan will take 10-15 Years off of my life easy!
by prnkmonkie77 on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
49 recs!
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
Can’t help but NOT Rec this!
Before pressing Caps Lock, you have to ask yourself: "Are you ready to unleash the fury?"
Patrick Marleau on previous fighting experience: "I've got an older brother, too... so..."
by SharkMonster on Jul 19, 2011 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, who are 4 of those guys?
Before this year, I could tell you who Vogey was, but I would have only guessed 1 guy on that list, to be on that list.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions
While Jair is surprising, he as always been a really good pitcher.
Zimmermann is really really good. Get familiar with that name.
Vogey and Kartsens are shocks.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Extremely Late to this party
but thought I should add rec #79
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Dear Lord guys
81 recs? That’s a lot of recs. Especially for something that literally took me 5 mins to do.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 19, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
What can we say. We like ponies, too.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
by yoyomonster on Jul 20, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
LA BEATEN
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Stewart
Contusion on right side of head – Kuip
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Doesn’t this mean we need three catchers?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 18, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
We just need one. Posey.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
by yoyomonster on Jul 19, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions
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Wasn’t in any of the game threads, was vogelsong ribbon gate discussed ad naseum? I guess I will reserve judgment until we hear more.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
per Hank
Vogelsong has two home white jerseys, a heavier one he wears for night games. The ribbon was sewn on his other one. He showed it to me…
Vogelsong
Wasn’t wearing until there’s a cure ribbon- it was blowing up on twitter
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
by kezargiants on Jul 18, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Henry Schulman
Said he didn’t notice ribbons until 5th inning.
Who needs smoking? Being a Giant's fan will take 10-15 Years off of my life easy!
by prnkmonkie77 on Jul 18, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Now how will we ever find a cure?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 18, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to worry!
He found it between some old couch cushions. All is well
Who needs smoking? Being a Giant's fan will take 10-15 Years off of my life easy!
by prnkmonkie77 on Jul 18, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn I should have just chilled in the GDT
I was getting distracted thinking it was some sort of statement that would cause me to lose respect in him.
But alas, Vogelsong is still the fucking best.
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
by kezargiants on Jul 18, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sure it's a statement.
Cure diseases in order of number of cases, damn it! It’s the only statistically sound approach.
1) Common cold
2) flu
3) Athlete’s foot
…
2,317) AIDS
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
No kidding
I mean, AIDS sucks and all, but there are treatments now that basically give you a normal lifespan. Meanwhile, heart disease is the leading killer in the US and cancer is right behind it. National spending on research according to something I heard a couple weeks ago:
Cancer: $7B
Heart disease: $4B
AIDS: $3B
Boy, it’s amazing what we’ll do when it means we can fuck a few more people, huh?
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Are you suggesting we just drop all AIDS research and spend it on heart disease or cancer research? Because that’s kind of what it sounds like.
Thing C
I’ve certainly seen suggestions that we overspend on AIDS research relative to other diseases. I’m somewhat inclined to agree.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Based on what metrics? I’m not ruling it out, but research into AIDS will pay dividends beyond just curing the disease.
Thing C
We spend more money per death from AIDS than nearly any other disease. AIDS doesn’t kill that many people anymore (and technically speaking, AIDS doesn’t kill anyone, but that’s kind of a stupid thing to seriously argue). Research into AIDS will probably shed light on some other stuff, but that’s true of any research. Why not spend the money on more common diseases?
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
AIDS doesn’t kill that many people anymore
Isn’t it one of the leading causes of death in Africa? If not it is at least very prevalent.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
As an auto immune deficiency syndrome AIDS demolishes your immune system, allowing other things to kill you with extreme ease. It leads the league in assists.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I read the first case of AIDS was cured
1% of caucasians have immunity to it. A guy got a bone marrow transplant from one of theses guys, and he tested negative to HIV sometime after. Makes sense, if that immunity thing is true, blood cells are created in marrow.
Stem cell research anyone?
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know the details, but I’d imagine that negative doesn’t mean that you don’t have HIV. It just means the quantities that you have are below the detection limits of the assay. Given the virus’ ability to hide, I’d personally never feel completely comfortable with a negative test after a positive one.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Indeed
They keep testing. When the article was written, he had no relapses.
I find it encouraging, and a possible answer, but can’t claim victory yet.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe Magic Johnson no longer tests positive. He, of course, still carries the virus.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude was still in pretty bad shape.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Well yeah it doesn’t kill you directly. My point was more that it is a huge problem in Africa.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yeah, I’m not denying that. I think I got the arguments just the slightest bit mixed up.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
One problem is that there’s an extremely effective treatment the AIDS epidemic, mandatory screenings. Unfortunately, the AIDS is in the gray area of being extremely serious but not quite dangerous enough to justify extreme measures (and it doesn’t help that its major means of transmission carries a social stigma, and that it’s strongly identified with a minority group).
I hate to say it, but if that 3B a year went into paying everyone in America $100 to take a free AIDS test, it would probably do more to halt the disease (at least in developed countries) than all the vaccine research to date.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
Because what?
Some previously undiagnosed people would then be diagnosed and stop having unprotected sex? That doesn’t always happen.
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- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
by achiappanza on Jul 19, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Not always, no, but if most of them do, then the spread of HIV/AIDS would be severely impacted, and it would make it much easier and quicker to track down and prosecute knowing spreaders. If there was an announcement tomorrow that scientists had found a vaccine that was even 50% effective, there would be parties in the streets.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
We could, as a country or as individuals, stop eating like a bunch of fucking pigs and heart disease wouldn’t be such a big problem either. Prevention is pretty damn easy with that one.
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
Heart disease isn’t contagious. Someone who sits on their couch all day and gorges is only hurting themselves. Unknowingly spreading a fatal disease has consequences for others.
And, of course, heart disease is only exacerbated by lifestyle. Without a means to treat other causal factors, it would likely still be a leading killer even if we were all uber-fit vegans.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
My dad eats pretty well now, he didn’t used to and developed diabetes but now my dad eats vegetables, salads and doesn’t eat “like a fucking pig” and still developed heart disease. It is obviously helped along by diet, but there are other things that affects people that makes them more prone to heart disease.
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
It's Posey time!!
My Adopted Squirrel: Heath Hembree
there are other things that affects people that makes them more prone to heart disease.
Genetic predisposition is probably the majority of the problem; at least it was for me.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to get too personal, but didn’t you also have some bad habits? (smoking, etc)
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I used to smoke.
And that certainly didn’t help. But I am about the farthest away from being fat as you can get.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Propellering, too.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Which is kind of a form of contagiousness.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ready to party?
For some reason, this has gotten so little press that even though I knew what to look for, it look me 10 minutes to find it via Google. (I eventually had to restrict the date of search results to the past 2 weeks.) It’s astonishingly good news.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It is.
On Thursday, July 14, Dr. Anthony Fauci joined Neal Conan on Talk of the Nation to discuss the ARV findings.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
A little surprised they didn’t save it for Science Friday, given the lack of hype that it’s been receiving.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’m not familiar with all the AIDS research, but it strikes me that this is as big a gain as the first antiretrovirals (AZT and whatnot) came out. Also, there was this paper in Science (behind a paywall, for you nonacademic types). Seems that it might hold promises for developing even more effective vaccines down the road.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Also, lrn 2 click the “open link a new window” box, TL2!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Oh. I don’t use the hyperlink box thing. I just paste in the code. I’ll work on that in the future.
Except, of course, I won’t.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
*shakes fist*
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
/throws rotting fruit
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
No
There’s no reason to drop research treating any disease, but to spend $3B a year, almost as much as the two leading killers in the US, on a disease that’s been “cured”, seems kinda insane. AIDS is bad, and we should try to cure it, but it’s not really killing that many people anymore. And, as Bhaakon said, stopping or seriously slowing the spread would be relatively easy.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
Instead of looking at gross numbers, look at the populations it’s affecting.
Perhaps then you might see why this is still a serious fight.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I think there are two factors
- It’s still a problem throughout the world
- It could be argued that funding for AIDS research has been getting a make up call for the initial years when it was completely ignored
The thong is, it happened.
LOL internet
Hey everyone I just noticed something!!! Assume the Worst!!! Nazis that hate cures!!!!
Please don't cut Ishikawa! 2009 Tops All-Star Rookie and World Champ 2010!
Not wearing a ribbon?
pffffffft
Leave it to twitter, obviously people with nothing better to do.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Watched the Dodger Post Game broadcast after this one
It was awesome. Chock full of despair and sullen admissions that the Giants are pretty good and the Dodgers suck.
Sometimes I think “You know, I’m not sure any team deserves an ownership situation as terrible as the McCourts mess.” Then I talk to a Dodger fan, see that shade of blue, or get that fuzzy feeling of schadenfreude after a win like this… and I change my mind.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on Jul 18, 2011 10:39 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
karma sucks
See what happens when teams mess with the Giants?
Dodger fans beat up Giants fan
karma: Owner runs club into the ground
Scott Cousins takes out Buster
karma: Marlins go into tailspin
I don’t think that’s how karma works.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
i know
but it gives me a fuzzy feeling of schadenfreude…
kind of an 8-year old “nyah nyah” impulse
Sure, it’s nice to see someone over there struggle,
But framing those as tradeoffs sort of trivializes the suffering.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
How does karma work?
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
by yoyomonster on Jul 19, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Something like this:
Remember all those years of suffering as Giants fans? The noxiousness of Dodger fans pummeling us with their 70’s & 80’s rings?
Well, we were good sports about it all. We never were bitter or hateful.
Thus, on 11/1/2010, TGWTWS. Karma!
…or science.
Or mostly God just likes us better than Dodger fans now.
After you’re dead.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Karma . . .
. . . affects only the individual; it could be looked on as the running total of your morality account to date (including, in the original sense, actions in your presumed past lives); having a poor account total will, among other things, get you reincarnated at a lower level next go-round, because you have backslid.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Oh, I get it. Behave badly and you come back as a Dodger fan.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Well, something of the sort.
(As the 4th Doctor would put it.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
gloating is a good way to reverse good karma too
carefull…
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
So much of this
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Jul 18, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not enjoying it
The Dodgers’ mess is bad for baseball and bad for the rivalry. Their turmoil makes beating them a lot less fun for me.
The thong is, it happened.
Yeah
There’s the history yea, so don’t think one could ever not hate them.
But there’s just not as much fire to it this year.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 19, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
But they probably hate us just as much
what with our recent success
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
When Penny Marshall and Rob Reiner buy the team and spend $300 million annually, you wont even remember this period.
I dont see any reason to enjoy it, but I see no problem in accepting it for what it is—another one of Bud Selig’s failures.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
RE: Bad things happening to the Dodgers? Awwwwww...
Happy to read there are others that feel as I do “It couldn’t have happened to a nicer team!” LOL! I too, feel that what is happening in L. A. with the ownership and the League are all a big mess. “It doesn’t come into the club house” states the Dodgers announcers…BS! How can the players NOT be affected by it as the media is going to the DODGER PLAYERS to get any information or rumor that they MIGHT have heard or be privy to. It shouldn’t happen to any club (but then again) it is the DODGERS!
by SF Bay Area on Jul 19, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Was obliged to listen to Bums feed:
Vin Scully, or the animatronic device that now portrays him, read something interesting from the notes they continually feed him so he’ll have something to say: Aubrey Huff is #4 in the NL in productive outs.
No comment, just the datum.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I find that EXTREMELY hard to believe.
Unless a 4-3 groundout is classified as productive.
I like Bay Area sports teams. I like computers. I like ponies.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I get that
It’s just… I really don’t believe it.
I like Bay Area sports teams. I like computers. I like ponies.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 18, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't write 'em, I just read 'em.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I have no idea even how the term is defined.
But Scully knows zunt about stuff like that, so someone who, presumably, knows what they’re talking about got it from somewhere.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I mean, he does a 4-3 groundout on EVERY occasion except when it might actually help. “Productive outs”…what the ****?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff is thinking of changing his number to 43, but Hinshaw won’t let him have it!
/also asked about 3U
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
That number belongs to Chuck Lofgren now...
not for long if he continues to perform as he did last night
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
So did Hinshaw take 3U?
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
Hinshaw is sporting the # 8 in Richmond right now.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
When you make a lot of outs, the percentage of productive ones will balance.
A productive out, I believe, is almost always a net negative. This is not a good thing.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Barry Bonds was probably last in productive outs in 2004.
That is cray-z.
by DrDC on Jul 18, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
hehe…
Feed the Panda some bamboo
by anotherbadexcuseguitar on Jul 18, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
rec’d
"He knocks a stake through the heart of the Cardinals! The Cardinals are dead! The Giants are going to the World Series!!!" -Jon Miller
It's Posey time!!
My Adopted Squirrel: Heath Hembree
If you make a shit ton of outs
Some will be productive. Also lots of soft grounders to the right side probably help
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I may be getting Chasm'd here but...
Still the best in the business…never bored listening to Vin Scully
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
He's makes Ben Stein sound like John Miller.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
"still the best in the business"
Are you kidding? I give him credit for continuing to be coherent at the age of 99, but he’s boring as hell. I watched the Giants telecast on my computer because it was preferable to listening to Scully on my big screen TV.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
by rxmeister on Jul 19, 2011 7:00 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think people that grew up on Scully, like me, find him reassuring and amazing at calling a ball game. Those who only listen to him occasionally find him boring and repetitive, I understand it, but when you’ve listened to Monday and Steiner a lot you realize how great Scully is.
/only recent bought mlb.tv so I hardly ever have to listen to the evil ones again
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
I think people that grew up on Scully, like me, find him reassuring and amazing at calling a ball game.
Agree…it’s the Lon Simmons effect.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
You must be joking.
If one can avoid being actually put to sleep, or into a trance, by Scully’s drone, and manage to actually listen to what he is saying, he is so full of crap it must be running out his ears. Almost everything he says—if it isn’t very obviously a straight read of something handed to him on paper—is either wrong or irrelevant, and not infrequently both. He also has an obvious huge contempt for the idea of troubling to get players’ names correct, even simple ones (and then there’s the F.P. Santangelo story).
I had dinner once with one of his long-time producers, and the stories he could tell about Scully’s arrogance (and incompetence with facts) were hair-curling (had I any).
Without his (100% artificial) aw-shucks folksy shtick, he’d be a nobody.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Yeah, not joking
I actually like him and despite my general hatred for anything Dodgers, when I’m in Southern California, as I am now, I don’t mind his commentary.
But preference for a baseball announcer — whether play-by-play or color — is pretty subjective. If you’re the type of viewer who studies every pitch and every nuance of every play, Scully would likely bore you — I get that.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
There is assuredly much that is subjective . . .
. . . and that may even be said to include whether or not the announcer/s can and do give nuanced discussion, such as what pitch is likely next, and whether the batter is or isn’t set up for a slider down and in, and what the defensive positioning suggests, and so on. But it is a pretty objective criterion that such “information” as is given ought to be reasonably accurate. With Scully, it rarely is; it is usually some badly distorted version of reality, but not uncommonly just dead wrong.
Also: Scully, based for the last seventeen centuries in Los Angeles, cannot even pronounce the commonest, simplest Hispanic names—nor, for that matter, anything not “Smith” (or “Scully”). And he doesn’t give a flying fuck, either. That, too, I consider objective evaluation.
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I really can’t agree with the assessment that the information that given is “rarely” reasonable accurate — but I may be missing the jist of your argument. Are you saying his opinions are generally in the minority or particularly outlandish or that he flat-out cannot correctly utter Andre Ethier’s batting average?
Also, my dad, who is approaching 70 years of age and grew up in Tucson, AZ is downright miserable with Hispanic names. And while I acknowledge that it’s not part of my old man’s job description to read names 162 days per year — and therefore he probably shouldn’t be held to the same standard — his inability to roll the “R” in Hernandez is not because he doesn’t give a “flying fuck” but probably because he’s an old white guy.
Here's to the Dodgers and their bucket of suck.
It's not "opinions".
Scully often tells little anecdotes, or passes along what are now called “factoids”, that are simply wrong. Broadly speaking, if it wasn’t handed to him on a printout, it is probably wrong.
Also, trilling an “r” is not the same as bucthering simple vowel sounds. And I doubt your father has the simple ability to walk up to the subject individuals and say “How do you pronounce your name?” (Scully famoulsy—or infamously—spends roughly zero time in clubhouses.)
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Not making out > “productive out”
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STRIKE OUTS ARE THE WORST KIND OF OUTS TRADE MARK REYNOLDS OMG
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first pitch pop-up
If you strike out, the pitcher actually had to throw three pitches
Actually, a pop up when you're way ahead of the count is worst
Like Torres to open the bottom of the 1st.
He’s ahead 2-0 against a good pitcher; he’s the leadoff hitter; it’s his job to get on base by any means necessary and he just has to swing at the first good pitch he sees and pop it up.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
it's all relative
…but some of the Giants games in the past three years that have driven me craziest are when the Giants hitters would flail at bad pitches and go down quickly. The pitchers look briliant, because they’re getting through the inning in 10 or so pitches. I think last time this happened was with Dempster on 6/29: 8 innings, one run, 83 freakin’ pitches…and his ERA is around 5.00.
If he actually sees a good pitch, I think he should swing as a rule.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems like every frigging 3-1 count he swings, regardless of the pitch location. And it almost always seems that it would’ve been ball 4.
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And if he’s not seeing good pitches, I would prefer he does not swing.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
But making a productive out isn’t a skill.
Productive out : outs :: RBI : OBP.
Making outs is the skill. Making productive outs is just the consequence of having people on base.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that per at bat or absolute number?
Because, you know, someone that is the best in the league at making outs is probably going to be up there in productive outs. Also it is heavily dependent on the person on base, so it is like an RBI type stat. Completely useless.
You know all this, of course :)
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Here's the ESPN version:
A Productive Out, as defined and developed by ESPN The Magazine and the Elias Sports Bureau: when a fly ball, grounder or bunt advances a runner with nobody out; when a pitcher bunts to advance a runner with one out (maximizing the effectiveness of the pitcher’s at-bat), or when a grounder or fly ball scores a run with one out.
The identities of the originators do not inspire confidence.
Reading several articles on the stat (Google Is Your Friend) leads one to the conclusion that if the stat isn’t utterly meaningless, and it probably isn’t, it is of very, very small significance. If someone other than Buster Olney had first described it, and had taken a less “in your face, sabermetricians” attitude, it probably would have been greeted as a minor but interesting little factoid, which is about what it is.
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I always thought a productive out was any out that advanced a runner (and didn’t end the inning). I didn’t realize it was only with no outs, or a pitcher.
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Not according to that ESPN definition.
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If Player A is making 50% more outs than Player B, Player A is likely also going to have more “productive outs”.
Strikeout rate would factor into it. But probably it’s better to just account for strikeouts in your metrics rather than use a productive out stat that is randomized by the existence or non-existence of baserunners.
/ blinks
really? REALLY?
I have goten spoiled by teh web were we can demand the link suporting such statemetns. I Don’t mean to sound I am doubting what you heard jsut were did they get that? JCB neither regions?
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by daveinexile on Jul 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN. Much the same thing.
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Over the years here I have much higher reguard for the work of JCP Neither reions. Were ESPN is to stats like I am to no typos.
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by daveinexile on Jul 18, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I would assume
He is top 5 in unproductive outs as well
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 19, 2011 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Dave Righetti>Harry Potter
That is cray-z.
by DrDC on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Rags as a manager
Whenever a position comes up, he’s never mentioned or discussed. He’s never even mentioned in terms of somebody the Yanks/Sox/Other big spender would try to steal away from the Giants. You figure somebody would look into kicking one of his tires every once in awhile
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 18, 2011 10:41 PM PDT reply actions
The same could be said about Wotus
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by prnkmonkie77 on Jul 18, 2011 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I don't think he wants it.
He has family concerns and wants to stay close to home. Since Oakland doesn’t need a manager, he is more than content with coaching for SF. Or so I have heard it.
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yikes
Oakland is in the Bay Area and all, but it’s hard to think that managing a team that plays in the Coliseum would be attractive. I’m hoping they can get a new stadium downtown, but the city will find some way to bungle it, I’m afraid.
The coliseum isn’t so much the problem. When the A’s play well they have drawn in the past If your leveing pretty good situion for another one you want the new position that opens up more possiblities for you. I can’t name too many A’s mangers scince the Hass family that went on to other gigs, Howe ( who got rep in houston first) and whom else?
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by daveinexile on Jul 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
As long as they’re in that terrible ballpark they’ll always be a distant second to the Giants in this media market, and it’ll be hard to draw any sought after coach when the position is largely seen as being Beane’s lackey still.
The first six innings are overrated.
I don't accept that premise.
Look in the 80’s & 90’s the A’s out draw the Giants. Now the ‘Stick was nightmare in a lot of reasons but even then the Giants had a general acceptance in the region because they came here. Similar to how the Bay Area still loves and putts up the Warriors.
The biggest difference here is the Giants ownership has spent 20 years doing everything to show they love this area and they want to stay. In that time frame the A’s are always threaten to leave. Since the Hass family the ownership is not shown that kind of willingness & the current owner wants either a state freebees for land devolvement plans and barring half of what the Giants have tended and built up for nothing. Not really way to win over new friends and keep neighbors friendly. Basically only Al Davis can get away with that crap in this region and not be completely shunned.
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by daveinexile on Jul 18, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I know I'm generalizing
the ballpark is just one of the problems…although it’s a big one. I mean LOL those freakin’ tarps are a running joke. It’s a football stadium like the Stick.
But it’s really the whole situation, including how the club is run in general.
I’m an Oaklander and would love to see the A’s do well…but I also work about 4 blocks from AT&T Park, and I know where I’d rather go. Guy who sits next to me at work saw the game tonight, the bastard!
1-3 mil more a year is attractive
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
That's interesting
With the gobs of pitching talent over there, I wonder if that’s a move they’d consider making, assuming Melvin doesn’t get the full-time gig. That would even work for Raggs with his family concerns. He does not come across as a man who needs to be “the man”, but if there ever were a situation in which he wanted to be, it may be ideal.
However, I don’t know if there are many veteran coaches who have a nice ancillary role jumping at the chance to take over that mess.
by JSing on Jul 18, 2011 11:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What does Gob’s pitching talent have to do with this?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 7:14 AM PDT up reply actions
C'mon!
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That’s also what I’ve heard.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
He might not want the extra media work and scrutiny that comes with managing
I’m guessing he likes his gig and the extra hassles aren’t worth the extra dough. I’m also guessing he takes a lot of satisfaction in working with pitchers and helping them reach their potential.
The thong is, it happened.
i believe Fangraphs has talked about the Giants ability to suppress HR's under Righetti's tenure
I know Correlation != Causation but I think it’s fair to say that at the very least Righetti is a very good ML pitching coach, which is impressive given thar a good amount of ML coaches are pretty much future scapegoats
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Thats mostly part of FanGraphs smear Matt Cain campaign
Just kidding. Kind of
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Right
This is why Madison Bumgarner has no trade value.
Now, Madison Bumgarner + Dave Righetti? Oh boy.
That is cray-z.
Yeah leaving off MadBum was weird
I mean a 22 y/o lefty that’s top 5 in FIP has got to be in (at least) the top 50 in trade value
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I know I was wearing orange and black glasses in viewing that trade value list, but I still can’t wrap my head around Cameron leaving Bumgarner off. If I am the GM of another team, I’d offer a slightly better package for Bumgarner than I would for Posey (because of his injury) and Lincecum (because of high salary and now only a couple of years of control). Perhaps I would just make a terrible GM? (Well, that is true regardless, but beside the point.)
I wouldn't go quite that far
but I’d offer a ton to try and get Bumgarner. And I doubt the Giants would consider it.
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I actually would’ve thought that Lincecum should’ve been left off the list and MadBum included.
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I don't know that I would leave off Lincecum given his age and performance
but MadBum definitely should’ve made it. Also Tulo at 3? With that contract + injury history?
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Barring something awful, Lincecum is going to shatter the arbitration record this offseason. If he gets an award in the 16-20 MM range, his surplus value becomes pretty small.
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That's definitely true
OTOH he’s one of the 5 best pitchers in the game, and I think a lot of teams would give a lot to get him and pay him that money. I’d probably put him in the 30-40 range
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Yeah, looking at the explanation for the methodology section, it wasn’t as cut and dried as I thought it would be (namely, project WAR going forward, multiply by $/WAR, project salary, subtract the two numbers and rank the winners). So going by his methodology, yeah, I think it’s reasonable to have Lincecum on there in the mid thirties. It’s still eyebrow raising to leave off Bum.
If we go by surplus value, I don’t think there’s any way possible that Tim has more than MadBum from this juncture on.
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Yeah, unless the Giants sign MadBum to a long term deal
(Which would be good) MadBum should have huge surplus value the next 4 years (at least)
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I’d be perfectly happy with them giving him a Jaime Garcia type contract.
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I was (greedily) thinking more along the lines of a James Shields type deal
Though I realize there was roughly no chance MadBum’s camp goes for that
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Yeah the fact that the Giants had to renew his contract doesn't look good
I’m not concerned about it long term though
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Yeah, we’d definitely get laughed out of the room.
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I love TB's front office so much
Longoria’s contract is obviously the gold standard but Shields’ deal (if all the options are exercised) is roughly 7 years/ 44M I believe
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That’s pretty awesome.
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Wait, the options are worth 38M and the incentives are worth 6M so it could be 44M
But only if he makes a certain number of starts, gets a certain number of IP and gets Cy Young votes
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Not that small. Something in the neighborhood of $5-10M, if he keeps doing what he has for the past few years.
Most estimates I’d seen had it at about 4.5M/WAR. The more salient point is that whatever it is, it pales in comparison to the figures that MadBum should put up.
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His surplus value wouldn't be that big
But his overall value would be enormous, and you have to pay for that. Even if you’re paying a salary that’s market rate, just having that pitcher on your staff is valuable and an acquiring team needs to recognize that value and compensate you for it. Now, if you’re getting surplus value (ex: Longoria) then the price goes even higher since you have to pay the team you’re trading with not only for what they do but for what they do beyond the dollars.
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Would you trade Madison Bumgarner for Yovani Gallardo?
Of course not.
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I don’t think so. Gardner turns 28 in a month and has one less year on his contract. I feel like with Bumgarner, we will get all of his peak years, while Gardner has already entered his peak.
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Good because he should be on the untouchable list.
I’m sure he is.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
At one point I wondered about his ability to work with very young, still developing pitchers. He seems to have done all right so far.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, K&K have talked about him making Sanchez his project fairly often
And while he’s struggled this year, given the inconsistency early and his career and Felipe Alou, Sanchez has been pretty successful. Not to mention Timmy, MadBum, Cain etc
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Apparently there is another Tejada in MLB. He plays for the Mets. I did not know this.
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check out Kutztown universities web page
by panda revival on Jul 18, 2011 10:45 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
sweet!
Kutztown is deep in Penn Dutch country, near where I grew up.
Although he wasn’t born there, Vogelsong is such a great Dutchy name.
I've never heard of Kutztown until now
When i was looking at vogelsongs espn page.
His stats there must have been amazing if he got scouted from there, or maybe they just stumbled upon him like jonathan sanchez
by panda revival on Jul 18, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Handful of pro athletes came from Kutztown
I think Andre Reed from the Buffalo Bills.
Following up on the original topic...
To say nothing of the bullpen.
I mean, Ramon Ramirez and Javier Lopez weren’t regarded as lights-out middle relievers in their prior ports of call. Jeremy Affeldt. Guillermo Mota. More Righetti wizardry.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 10:46 PM PDT reply actions
affeldt was decent with the reds
but your point is valid
’specially with ramirez
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
He had a lights-out 2009; was on everyone’s ***t list during most of 2010 and earlier this year, and now he’s got “it” again.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
He has *t.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Latos does not.
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Jul 18, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
is this a reference to him spelling mat with one t?
if so bravo sir
bravo
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well played, sir.
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by jestasmaltownboy on Jul 19, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Ramon Ramirez . . .
. . . has to be far and away the most under-valued Giants reliever, and probably one of the most under-valued in the league. He was and is really, really good (2nd-best Giant after Romo).
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by owlcroft on Jul 18, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm more partial to Affeldt
But Ramirez is really really good.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 18, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I was ready to dfa him before this season
I am not sold, but I think I was wrong
Career ERA: 3.16
Career xFIP: 4.35
He’s probably a little better than that, since he’s had to contend with Coors & Fenway for a good chunk of his career. But my money’s still on his being an interchangeable back-of-the-bullpen guy who happens to be on a hot streak.
ERA for relievers is useless, we know. And his current numbers are not real, we also know. However, he does have good career numbers against righties: FIP 3.4. By the time you have 800 batters faced, FIP starts to look real.
But as I said, I am not sold: if another team approached me with a half-attractive trade offer, I’d take it.
Using a different measure . . .
. . . the “Quality of Pitching”, his career QoP is 3.24 vs an ERA of 3.16. (The QoP is the value that actual ERA will trend to given a long enough span of time). That says to me that he is about as good as he seems, and that is very good indeed. And that he has been so pretty much all his career. (He had a bad 17 IP in 2007, his second MLB season, and a so-so time in Boston, though that is probably park-based.)
On career values, he is the 2nd-best reliever in the pen, after only Romo; on 2011 values, he is 3rd, after Romo and Lopez. I would not be in a hurry to move him.
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sabean was genius last rear
sheer genius
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked that deal at the time
Just because Dan Turpen’s upside was probably 2010 Ramon Ramirez, but yeah he has really surpassed my expectations
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Yeah he had a weird spring
Got selected in the Rule V draft by the Yankees, then got traded by Boston to Colorado for Mike McKenry (who is now in Pittsburgh)
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The great Bowkermania freakout was probably the last gasp of Sabean distrust for me.
The first six innings are overrated.
I don't know if I'll ever fully trust him (for better or worse)
but whenever you can get a ML player for a non prospect I’m happy. I had a similar reaction to the Fontenot-Crawford trade
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Oh yeah, I can relate.
As a big Grizzlies fan, John B’s departure definitely left a Bowker-sized hole in my heart. A-Bow-Bow-Bow-ker sized hole in my heart, as the sound system at Chukchansi Park was wont to broadcast.
And for a lousy left-handed specialist yet. Boy, was I disgusted! What good was Javier Lopez going to do the Giants?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Were you napping when he traded for Guillen?
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Turpen
sounds like a made-up name, like Bowker…
Odd story about him
He went to HS and College with Joe Paterson. Then they both got drafted by the Giants.
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Since, I believe, lefties are overrepresented in the MLB population, it is definitely good. You significantly improve your odds of making it without even factoring in talent.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
He’s won me over.
It’ll take a lot to pull me away from his side.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I tried looking it up on fangraphs and I couldn't find it
But, Ramirez, must be top-5 in the NL is BAS (Bad-Ass Scowl).
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 19, 2011 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think a big part of it is circumstantial.
With Lopez, being a lefty specialist who plays half his games in a park that obliterates left-handed power is a huge plus. SSS, obviously, but he’s been tremendous at home and pretty close to his career averages on the road this season.
With Ramirez, he’s historically struggled against platoon, and the Giants have severely limited the number of lefties he’s seen this season (career 56% of the batters he’s faced have been right-handed, this year it’s been 71%).
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Huh, a remarkably high number of the batters he’s faced in his career have been lefties. Wonder why that is.
Anyway, over the last two years he hasn’t really been any better against righties than against lefties — the opposite, if anything. His platoon split looks like pure BABIP.
Beats me. I presume there’s a standard BABIP split for all RHPs — e.g., left-handed hitters can be expected to have a BABIP ten or fifteen or twenty points higher than right-handed hitters. Ramirez’s career split is 53 points, which seems like a lot. And since he has only thrown 335 innings, I’d think some serious regression is in order.
pretty soon. IIRC it’s barely a season’s worth of starter’s IP.
You can pretty much regard every pitcher to have a separate and distinct platoon talent, unlike hitters, who mostly have the same platoon skill.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
About 800 batters faced, so yeah, a durable starter’s season. Given not only the stats but also the stuff — pretty okay fastball, plus slider, decent command — I have revised my opinion of him up. Not way up, though, hence my eagerness to trade him.
I’m operating off of hazy memories of The Book, but an afternoon’s worth of data analysis would demonstrate it.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
I found this — sez a pitcher’s BABIP stabilizes (r=.5) at 3729 batters faced. And L/R splits should require many more than that.
LOL false precision
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by TheAntiBork on Jul 19, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
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What, are you some kind of ScoffLaw?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Justified concerns being wrong doesn’t make them stupid.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
But talking about justified concerns in a tone of certainty is.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
In more good news, Miguel Tejada is out indefinitely with a sprained brain
Though X-rays of his head show nothing.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 10:51 PM PDT reply actions
Old. Very old.
But still worth a smile.
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You’re right; it goes back to Dizzy Dean.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
/ searchs for JPG with empty Homer Simpson skull
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Jul 18, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
What size hat fits a feat?
Pablo's not fat. He's just got body.
by LeMasterBlaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:53 PM PDT reply actions
So Ramon Ramirez
is having a pretty good year, but i swear to god, i have never seen that man smile in my life, and I can’t find any picture or a video of him after TGWTWS.
Lol
I love this…
I like Bay Area sports teams. I like computers. I like ponies.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 18, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
haha well there you go
I guess he just takes playing baseball very very seriously
by panda revival on Jul 18, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe he is said to be the quietest guy in the clubhouse.
But every once in a while when he is on the mound, you can see some fire when he gets pissed, as by a squeezing umpire.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I like ram ram
but it will be a long time before that 14th inning meltdown in wrigley leaves my mind. That was utterly inexcusable but the game should have been over anyway because barney went around on the 0-2 pitch which should have ended the game but instead he got the jeter treatment.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Yeah
Just posted the same thing upthread….It never makes sense when I look at his team pic with his happy, care-free grin and then look at him on the mound with his bad-ass scowl.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 19, 2011 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions
the pen is really solid
remember sweating benitez, taschner, walker, howry, medders, et al?
now its just casilla and wilson
Shift A
the last 2 weeks have been a complete CF personally. Thanks G’s for actually performing well.
Jason Schmidt wasn’t that good before he came to the Giants…. then Dave Righetti. We traded Vogelsong for him, he bounces around… then comes back to the Giants, then Dave Righetti.
I love Dave Righetti.
Giants baseball, torture!
He has a magic touch.
I like Bay Area sports teams. I like computers. I like ponies.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 18, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
A Hanshin Tigers fan wonders ......
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 18, 2011 11:09 PM PDT reply actions 12 recs
also
“where’d Ichiro go?”
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 18, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
nowhere
Ichiro played for the Orix Blue Wave, not the Hanshin Tigers.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
damnit
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 18, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I laughed , thanks
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Jul 18, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I really need to brush up on my Japanese.
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
...... Rosetta Stone?
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 18, 2011 11:56 PM PDT up reply actions
ROSETTA stoner?
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
lol
good one.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 19, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Look at his hands. He is doing a rabbit impression.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I am fully in the Raggs is a wizard camp here
and Zito is the wild stallion that he just was never able to tame (keeping with today’s mixed metaphor theme, courtesy of Manny Burriss.)
It’’s really weird but I think if I ended up meeting Vogelsong, Sandoval or Torres my first instinct would be to hug them and tell them how proud I am of everything they’ve managed to do.
Also, I’m a little drunk. Which may explain this instinct.
The first six innings are overrated.
Not a bad thing.
It is said that certain tribes, when facing crucial decisions, debated them twice: once at night, when heavily liquored up, then again the next day in sober sunlight. Each debate gave highly valuable insights, especially when played off against the thoughts expressed in the other.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Zito? Wild stallion?
No, that’s more like J. Sanchez.
Zito is a gelding who can’t perform.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Zito
ready for the glue factory…
that was mean, I was happy for him making a comeback before he lost his marbles last start…
but I couldn’t resist
Very high-priced glue, though.
Oops, I’m committing the cardinal sin of fretting over the money.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
the only "Wild Stallion" side of Zito ......
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 18, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My friend is an understudy in Tales Of The City, and so he and the cast sang the National Anthem today. As they were leaving the field, I could see him weighing the options in his head, and he finally caught Pablo’s eye, and then ran over to shake his hand. He got yelled at by the Giants’ PR lady, but I think, considering Pablo’s night, it was well worth it.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
goldengatebeerbars.com
by troymccluresf on Jul 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Good for him.
Also have him tell the director that they took it oo slow and the arrangement had one too many jazz chords.
I finally got around to listening to some of that wugazi mash up you posted a few days back and it is fantastic. Sleep Rules Everything Around me is just amazing, though I’m disappointed they didn’t do more with Waiting Room (the last minute of the song not withstanding).
The first six innings are overrated.
I’d raise the bridge and take the buzz out of the low E.
by Every6thDay on Jul 18, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m really glad that Pablo’s power didn’t disappear after the injury.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Also, “Adios Pelota!” is such a great home run call.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Me gusta mucho oirlo
(I really like to hear that)
Me too, about the power…I was glad to read that the hamate fracture is a relatively easy thing to fix. Pablo es un dios!
This
(315) SF Giants and NY Jets
Giants baseball: TORTURE
...and the home of the... JETS!
by GiantsfaninNY55 on Jul 19, 2011 6:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
GUYSSS HE'S HITTING BUT ITS ONLY SINGLES
That was a foolish concern that first week or two he was back.
The first six innings are overrated.
No, it was a legitimate concern. I’m glad it was wrong.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Pablo!
What a freaking bomb he hit!
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 7:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Pablo bomb
And that pitch was high enough that it was probably a ball. I like what Cody called him in the post-game interview: The new Vlad Guerrero.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
by achiappanza on Jul 19, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
on fangraphs
there’s a quasi-righetti love article where they point out how Giants pitchers have a suppressed FB/HR ratio and have had for years and there’s seemingly no statistical explanation for it, so they asked if maybe righetti has some secret HR suppressing formula. like Giants pitchers dont give up HR, including on the road. and opposing team’s pitchers give up more HR at AT&T by far, so it ain’t the ballpark or anything.
I'm so tired of hearing analysts and sports talk radio jockies ......
ask us Giants fans if we feel sorry for the Dodgers organization. personally, HELL FUCKING NO!!! We’ve had 52 years of torture, let them bite their tongues and swim in it for awhile! and besides ….. their tears ….. mmm ….. their tears ….. taste ….. mmm ….. sooo goood!!! ….. yess ….. cry blue tears ….. they taste ….. delicious!!!
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 18, 2011 11:24 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
Dodger fans
It’s good for them to know what it feels like to not have the biggest budget in the division.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Exactly this.
You know why? Because we all KNOW it won’t last forever. We all remember the sting of watching the bums thrive while we languished, and now that the tables have been turned (for all of 1.5 seasons), we’re not stupid enough to assume this is the new order of things forever.
These things come and go over time. So I for one, plan to live it up and rub as many Dodger fans noses in their own shit like the bad dogs that they are, because you know they’d do the same to us if they could.
Also, Beat LA.
Speak for myslef....
Like I said earlier, I’m about the baseball rivalry.
As Jeremy Affledt said, the rivalry is on the field. The font office BS detracts fromn a great rivalry.
The thong is, it happened.
Here's a little Rags love
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
by the guy on Jul 18, 2011 11:27 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
LOL
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 18, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, wasn’t Cameron one of the guys who first pointed out that Righetti might have the midas touch?
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
He interviewed Righetti and did a whole long post on him.
Which is here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-giants-are-doing-it-again/
More Cameron on Righetti: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/matt-cain-isnt-that-unique-after-all/
And more fangraphs Righetti love here: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/dave-righetti-lord-of-the-hrfb-rate/
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But I guess it's more fun to talk about how fangraphs hates the Giants
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
LEAVE FANGRAPHS ALONE!!!!
/weeps
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for the links
The money quote:
But the question at hand was "Can HR/FB rate be coached?" From the looks of it, the answer may be, "Yes, but only if you are Dave Righetti."
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Maybe too much if he really thinks Bumgarner wouldn’t be any good away from SF.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I don’t think “not any good” is accurate, but he has concerns given Bumgarner’s lack of “ace stuff.” How would that play in another park or league? I think his concerns are justified, although I would also have Bumgarner on the list somewhere.
Thing C
I guess I think Bumgarner’s stuff (plus control/command) is certainly ace quality.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
But is it Lincecum “I’d be the ace on a top-5 staff” or Cain “I’d be an ace on the Royals” stuff?
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
I think MadBum would fit as an ace for at least 10-15 teams in the league right now
And as a 22 year old that is ridiculously valuable.
The first six innings are overrated.
My biggest concern with him is that at looks like his delivery would lead to a strong platoon split
He doesn’t have one to my knowledge though
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My understanding was that the types of pitches thrown have more to do with a platoon split than the delivery. For instance, a lefty can’t throw a slider at Schierholtz’s back foot. Or, well, he can, but it breaks the wrong way.
(And, lo, Nate’s reverse platoon is born!)
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Which would also seem to help explain why relievers will have more extreme platoon splits (no such thing as a LOOGY starter). They tend to have a more limited number of pitches available to them. If one lends itself to a split, they may not have an alternative ready.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
This line. I’m in it. A left handed starting pitcher who sits at 92-93 with his FB and can spot it has good stuff.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
A winner is you. Not to mention he’s got not-bad offspeed stuff as well.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
He didn’t say that. For one I’m sure he thinks we haven’t seen enough of Bummy to know, and two he puts together the list with input from around the league. He said there are enough questions as to if Bumgarner could succeed in a different park or environment to suppress his trade value. Trade value isn’t the same as who the best player is. Remember Greinke might be a top 10 pitcher in baseball, at least top 20 and he got traded for peanuts. The list ain’t exactly scientific, but its interesting.
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
true but he got traded for guys that hopefully will be league average players. Really not a solid haul at all. And he still had another year under control. Its not years and years but its something, and we’d be lucky if Bumgarner became nearly as good as Greinke. My only real point was thats its not all cut and dry look at the numbers for trade values, because sadly thats not what many gms do.
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
He prefers to give Righetti credit over anything else. It’s Righetti #1, AT&T #1A
by Every6thDay on Jul 18, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Joke. Killed.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
A merciful death.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Boom.
Before pressing Caps Lock, you have to ask yourself: "Are you ready to unleash the fury?"
Patrick Marleau on previous fighting experience: "I've got an older brother, too... so..."
by SharkMonster on Jul 19, 2011 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Bono and The Edge (if that is his name) are really little guys.
And . . . The Edge sounds American, though good American, better than most Americans.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 18, 2011 11:31 PM PDT reply actions
SPIDERMAN THE MUSICAL
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I've ready Bono is 5'5"...maybe 5'6"
Platform sneakers are usually a pretty good indication that a guy has issues with his height:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hailmaryny/4133495265/
The thong is, it happened.
Does Tejada go on the DL?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Bochy said it wasn't considered serious.
Unfortunately?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 18, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately?
No. I do not want any of our players’ appearances or lack thereof decided by anything other than merit and skill.
We have had enough injuries this season.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 18, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, that option is not available
If we could trust that playing time was consistently allocated based on merit and skill, I’d agree with you. But it isn’t.
Though I would never wish an injury on anyone, it would be a welcome side-effect if Tejada’s got him out of the lineup for a few games. On the continuum of injuries from “utter disaster” (Posey) to “sucks for the guy, but might not be bad for the team” (e.g. what if Rowand pulled a hammie tomorrow?), Tejada going down seems much closer to the latter.
Giants baseball: We'll take it.
You watch
I don’t think Tejada gets much more playing time at SS. Carl Steward said the same thing after the contrast was so stark between Crawford and Tejada’s defense last night.
The thong is, it happened.
From your mouth
to Bork’s ears. Please.
Giants baseball: We'll take it.
by TheAntiBork on Jul 19, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Noooo I don't know how much of Crawford and Burris I can handle
:GSW-707:
by OaklandsFinest30 on Jul 18, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
and miguel tejeda you can stomach?
dude could be hitting .400 and i wouldnt care. just two days ago he had the bases loaded no outs and the pitcher had just walked two guys on eight pitches. he swung at the first pitch and popped out. dont know that i can handle that kind of shit again. that is just fucked up.
100% guarantee crawford would have kept the bat on his shoulder. dude has ten times the plate approach.
indeed, ultimate useless at-bat
And I’m with ya on the Crawford patience at-bat…good to see more of it in the line up
Well yeah.
Crawford did keep his bat on his shoulders, he was the guy on 2nd base.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
dude, you're gonna haz a guy who breaks easier than glass.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you since 2005 his games played are
161, 153, 160, 159, 36, 133, 80. Only one injury filled year.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I always worry a lot more about speed guys who have even a mild recent history of injuries that will impact their speed
The first six innings are overrated.
i agree.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 18, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
you haz a point...
do we want another zito-size contract? We do so well with castoffs, we’re never gonna be the yankees.
What do you think it would take?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Price for Reyes
Whatever the cost is, it has to be driven higher by the fact that they still want him in NY and can pay a lot. It’s not like Jermaine Dye leaving the Royals.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Hell, at least Crawford and Burriss want to improve and Crawford might improve some day. He might have some upside.
Tejada is such a stuck-up self-centered pr*ck. He thinks he’s doing just fine. He’s not what this team is all about at all. He thinks the whole thing is about him. How much of Tejada’s attitude and performance can you handle?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
What is this based on?
Tejada is such a stuck-up self-centered pr*ck. He thinks he’s doing just fine. He’s not what this team is all about at all. He thinks the whole thing is about him.
Unless you’ve got 1st (or 2nd ) hand knowledge of what he’s saying in the dugout or clubhouse, I doubt you’re in a position to make this profund a judgement. I’ve read he’s a good teammate and well-liked.
If you’re basing it just on body language, you’re reading it differently than I am. I see a guy who’s trying desperately to contribute and getting frustrated at not being able to do the things he once was able to do.
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Jul 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The one thing Tejada does well is try his hardest at all times, can’t hate him for that.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Yeah, sometimes you try your hardest and still end up stepping on your dick.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
And sometimes that’s just what you’re into.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I read recently that Tejada was talking retiring if he was hurting the team, and said how much he disliked playing well for bad teams. Now he acknowledges that its the opposite and he is having a great time. He may be awful but he busts his ass and is probably a good guy. Also the guy was one of the best in the game for a while, he deservedly has a bit of an ego.
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
Since there seems to be some angst about one DC, I'm just going to repost this.
Dave Cameron, here to talk to you about small sample size. When it suits my point, I use it, and when it doesn’t, I can simply say that it’s small sample size and it makes me look great. I can use it or not at my convenience. Check them out online, at fangraphs.com!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Jul 18, 2011 11:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
LOL we all know Dave Cameron doesn't read this blog
you’re Dave Flemming, aren’t you?
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 18, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of Flemming
Did he return to the radio booth tonight?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yes.
He hasn’t left us for greener pastures, yet.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jul 19, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Good to hear the Giants will get the White House visit next Monday. But, I guess we’ll have to watch it on CSN Bay Area or MLB Network for coverage as ESPN will be too busy talking about the Yankees and Red Sox.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You're welcome, Grant!
I think I was the first to point out during the Dave Cameron meltdown that his “Giants pitchers suck when they leave SF” could be attributed to Righetti.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Here's your cookie.
Cameron has mentioned it before. He just stops short of saying Rags is the reason.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Yum, yum, thanks!
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
No he doesn't
See my quote upthread.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
It's s great to see "Rags" Righetti handle this pitching staff,
and for the rotation to buy into what he’s teaching.
It seems like from Lincecum down to Sanchez, everyone’s “on the Rag”, if you will.
Atta babe, good pick.
Anyone have a link to Matt Cain walking off the field to "Praise You" last playoffs?
Believe World Series Game 2
Yeah, I can't find it either
Amazing, because I thought of it as one of the most meaningful G moments I’ve ever seen. Just can’t find the video, not sure anyone grabbed and published it.
Probably my favorite moment as a giants fan
I was at the game and lost my voice at this point, and the roar of the crowd was incredible. Starts around 1:10 (disclaimer: Joe Buck):
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12926257&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_12926257&v=3
by busterbarelyevenknowher on Jul 19, 2011 2:14 AM PDT up reply actions
THANK YOU so much
for allowing me, and everyone else who may want it, to remember that.
That is one of the greatest feelings I believe there has ever been experienced as a Giants fan.
And Matt Cain remains, possibly, the most under-appreciated San Francisco Giant in the modern era- even in the last three years.
I just shed a tear.
I remember when that happened. So awesome… :]
Before pressing Caps Lock, you have to ask yourself: "Are you ready to unleash the fury?"
Patrick Marleau on previous fighting experience: "I've got an older brother, too... so..."
by SharkMonster on Jul 19, 2011 5:00 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
True Blue LA:
Buster Posey was injured on May 25. Since then, his replacements at catcher for San Francisco have hit a collective .218/.309/.327 in 180 plate appearances. During that same span, Dodgers catchers have hit .197/.263/.280 in 176 PA.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
by El Person on Jul 19, 2011 12:35 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
sounds like they need less Rods and more Stewarts
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 19, 2011 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
and it's all for one
and all for love
by big logs Johnson on Jul 19, 2011 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions
in terms of offense, since May 26
Whiteside: .247/.336/.387 in 108 PAs
Stewart: .185/.284/.262 in 77 PAs
Whitey’s in the “he’s better than you think” category
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 19, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
This reminds me, I was on the crapper the other day and busted out like a 2005 B.A. prospect handbook and to my surprise Whiteside was top 10 in the Orioles system and was thought pretty highly of. Dude might have a little bit of pop for a catcher
Congrats to my soul mate and birth brother Zach Wheeler on being drafted into greatness. Should I just buy my Wheeler jersey now, or wait till my next birthday?
LOL NOT SANTANA
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 5:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Letterman has that Spiderman musical doing a song from the show
This is fucking nightmare fuel
The first six innings are overrated.
It’s funny how dead MCC is after a “blowout” win it’s almost to quiet.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL- I was at the game
Far from a blowout, it was just very satisfying! A shutout from our pitchers and D, plus a solid contribution from our offense. A game the G’s should be proud of, nothing near a meaningless blowout.
It was standard giants baseball until the bottom of the 6th rolled around
And then besides huff doing what he does best the unexplainable happened and lead to the most un-giantsy win of the season at home.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
It was completely unexpected.
Coming into this game, I was apprehensive as to whether they would win it at all.
But- like good offensive teams do- they strung together multiple hits in one inning. The 6th- Ross, Crawford. They were just great.
And, yes, despite Huff acting as the speed bump in the middle of the lineup.
I do think that’s what I’m going to start calling him, as long as Bochy keeps in him over Belt. Speed Bump.
I was playing LA Noire (37% off at Target right now).
I’m a really, really terrible negotiator.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
/accepts as truth.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Fool. I’m a terrible interrogator! I’m a great negotiator, not that it has anything to do with the game.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
/inputs doubt.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
trying to decide on a new wallpaper for my lappy
has been seriously been harder than deciding on a name for my son
by operation carrot on Jul 19, 2011 1:11 AM PDT reply actions
ive spent 2 hours
going through random doing this
by operation carrot on Jul 19, 2011 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions
this is my new wallpaper as of tonight ......
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 19, 2011 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
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"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 19, 2011 2:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Spotting Photoshop jobs
When people talk about spotting a PS job based on the pixels, I assume they mean two photos combined with different resolutions will always be apparent. Would that be completely laundered if you equalized the resolutions first? Or does something else at the pixel level give it away? Maybe the seam.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
I think the ‘pixels’ comment is usually facetious – indicating a photoshop job that is easy to spot.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Pixels
Well maybe, by the same people who use the term “airbrushing” when referring to Photoshop jobs, but pixel examination is valid forensic analysis.
Having said that, my guess is what I’m going with.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Certainly, if I’m trying to really achieve photorealism, I examine and manipulate things down to the pixel level.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 20, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Do any of you watch chronicle live?
I used to check it out just for the giants segments but it is unbearable now especially with the “baseball experts” scott ostler and cam inman constantly being used. Unbelievable that they get paid to write about sports I’m still LOLLING and cam inmans article saying that timmy would be a postseason choker and blow it.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I’ll watch I come across if channel surinf, but I only care about the Giants and Warriors, so any time they’re discussing the A’s, football, hockey, or any other sport (which is most of the time) I just keep flipping.
VAE PVTO DEVS FIO
My pick for tonight's game is the defense
I’ve said it a million times this season, but good defense turns a good pitching staff into a great pitching staff. Those 2 double plays were absolutely beautiful and got Vogey out of the trouble he got himself into. The Vogelsong-Crawford-Huff double play was especially satisfying
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
Some quality lol factor to
Tejada clanking a routine play and then managing to hurt himself in an attempt to make it look like a tough play.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I've had enough of Huff. He needs to grab some pine, as Krukow would say.
He’s hurting the team, and I don’t care how much of a clubhouse leader he is. I know he’s friends with Pat. Don’t care. You can’t destroy the G’s offense via political connections just because you’re too anxious.
He took some pitches tonight. That was good. He probably even blames people telling him to relax for striking out the one time. Again, I don’t care.
If you can’t HIT, you need to take more pitches. I’d rather see the walk opportunity than rolling over yet AGAIN to 2B.
The loyalty bullshit needs to stop with regards to those who are hurting the team. Enough with the bullying bullshit.
Hit, walk, or STFD. I don’t give a shit how you do it.
Belt needs to come up, or, at the very least, Huff needs to be hitting 8.
Why do noobs always seem to be the ones with all the "pissed off" hyperbole?
This comment would fit in better in the sfgate or extra baggs comments section.
He probably even blames people telling him to relax for striking out the one time. Again, I don’t care.
I mean, please
The thong is, it happened.
In the spirit of the Huff-Burrell fanfic
He needs to be more comfortable going the other way.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
This is "The Porch," a co-production of McCovey Chronicles and the BBC World Service
It’s 8:50 Eastern Time. I kind of wish I’d stayed up for the rest of the game. Kind of. I came here from an American Meteorological Society chapter meeting up in Jefferson City, and I went there from my office 27 miles away. So I was a little worn-out. I’ll try again Wednesday night, because that’s going to be Lincecum and Kershaw. That’ll be worth watching for sure.
But hey, Ryan Vogelsong, huh?
And C**d. Galooty, earnest, thick C**d B*******ley.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
We’re waiting for the podcast,TL2, or at least the live stream!
Torres IS the magic bean. - Johnny Disaster
by SituationalLefty on Jul 19, 2011 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Careful about Wednesday - not a night game!
It’s a 12:45 PDT start – wouldn’t want you to miss it or not set the DVR.
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
I don't think he has dominion over the BBC.
Or the Foreign Office, which funds the World Service (until 2014).
A very nice morning
It feels like it will be significantly hotter in the East Bay today.
The landing site for the Mars Science Lab will be announced Friday at the A&S Museum in DC. I am really looking forward to this.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
As for the weather --
The heat continues here in the East, but it looks cool over in your direction. I presume the 67 is not representative of the area.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
I have to move this weekend. I am not looking forward to it. I may die.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I may die.
Might be preferable to moving anyway.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I don’t have a lot of stuff—-it’s mostly just a bedroom’s worth of stuff. It’s moving my bed in the heat that I am worried about.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
What’s is there to worry about when moving a bed? Are you doing it alone?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
When I moved up to K-town last November, it was still so hot in west Alabama that sweat just poured off the guys helping me pack up. Lord, it was warm that day. Even I thought it was a bit much, considering Thanksgiving was four days away.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Do people actually call it K-town?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Uh-huh, sometimes. And certainly my stature in the city will help popularize the phrase.
/totally not staturous
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
67 is probably the city
In my whereabouts, it will be closer to the 85-89 range.
When I lived in Pasadena, hanging out at JPL was one of my favorite things. I’ve seen images of how MSL compares in size to the MERs. Pretty impressive. The Entry/Decent/Landing sequence for the MSL mission still scares the bejeezus outta me. I really do hope they can pull it off.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, we kicked your asses at Yorktown in 1781, so I wouldn’t get too mouthy about it.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
by TheLetter2 on Jul 19, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
HAHA!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, obviously I don’t know about this, so I’ll assume you did. We’re too busy learning about the Tudors and things in school to bother with rebellious colonies.
Geez, do they teach you nothing in your mandatory American History classes?
/comical Ameri-centrism
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
And don’t get me started on the War of 1812!!
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
In 1814 we took a litttle trip
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
We took a little bacon and we took a little beans
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don’t remember the rest of the words. I’m distracted thinking about giving Brian McCann a belly rub.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
And we fought the mighty British in the town of New Orleans.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
We fired our guns
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
There wasn’t quiet as many as there was a while ago.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Fired once more and they began a runnin’
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.
(I think. I am doing this entirely off of childhood memory)
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Ugh, going to TX
Gonna miss Bay Area weather. A lot.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
it's a beautiful morning in Russian River
but my dog is refusing to let me sleep in
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
My late chihuahua would stand on my chest when she decided it was time to begin the day.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Mine just whines a lot.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
My Shih Tzu squeaks a toy in my ear and runs away when I move. Then returns when I am about to fall back asleep again.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm taking my time getting into work this morning
eating cold pizza and drinking coffee.Parents are on their way up with tickets to the game tonight.
Ah, and we found out that littlejacket will be a girl.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Very nice. There are quite a few little McCoven gracing us with their presence these days.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
December 4th
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
by oldjacket on Jul 19, 2011 8:56 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Tuesday Morning Comics
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 6:09 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Don't quite get this . . .
Can’t see the image well enough . . . foul ball?
by NiceGuysFinishEtc on Jul 19, 2011 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Shane Victorino trotted around the bases thinking he hit a HR. No one told him until he reached 3B
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 7:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Woulda been more awesome if they waiting for him to be in the dugout
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
First images of the Asteroid Vesta
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/dawn/multimedia/pia14313.html
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
That is a very big rock
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Possible space station?
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Proud Adoptive Parent of one of the best Five Tool Players, The Machine.
When Aubrey Huff strikes out with runners at the corners and nobody out, does that count as a productive out because he didn’t hit into a double play?
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
by rxmeister on Jul 19, 2011 7:23 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Wow, MadBum is really young.
Tonights match up is between two young pitchers, one is a exciting young top prospect and the other is a young pitcher who is working on a solid sophomore year in the majors.
Guess whose younger?
Kickham where it hurts
El Person?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
My younger!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Jamey Carroll hit a double last night.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Can’t you argue that we should get B*******ley or E***er instead? At least that way, I could back you up on it.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Troll-face McGirlsname isn’t galooty enough for you, I guess.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Meh
We don’t need an average player, we need an impact player. Between Tejada, Fontenot and Crawford and a ball of yarn, we have 2 serviceable players and Tejada.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Only Fontenot of those three is servicable
As an upgrade over Crawford or Tejada, Carroll would be an “impact” player.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I mean, yikes
Carroll has 94 points of batting average, 80 points of OBP, 84 points of SLG, 80 points of wOBA, 57 points of wRC+ on Crawford.
That’s like the difference between Prince Fielder and Martin Prado.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jul 19, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haven’t we been over this? Once defense is accounted for the difference between Crawford and Carroll (using ZiPS) is like .3 WAR for the rest of the year.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
But that's based on guesses about how good Crawford's defense is
And we need to be concerned about the playoffs, too, not just the rest of the year: I’m not comfortable with having two spots in the lineup putting up pitcher numbers.
Carroll is a much better player. We should look to make upgrades. Carroll makes the team better, and I don’t think it’s an insignificant margin.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Someone showed numbers that Jose Reyes over Crawford (rough assumption of 4.5 WAR over a full season) would give the Giants a 40% higher chance over the original 12.5% chance of winning the WS (assuming all teams are equal). So something like 3% overall gain. A 1 WAR gain over a full season, seems like maybe a 10% over the original 12.5%, or only like 1.2% gain. Again, doesn’t seem like much help.
I’m still on the Reyes or bust bandwagon tho.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Wow that was bad math.
4.5 WAR – 40% of 12.5%, closer to 5%, so 1 WAR is probably closer to 2%
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I'm on the 'Make every upgrade you can as fast as you can' wagon
And when you’re looking for upgrades, the best place to start is your position players with 50 wRC+’s.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
ZiPS has him improving where Carrol declines, both pretty significantly.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
The gulf is so massive to start with, however
That Carroll would remain the superior player.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
ZiPS Craw: 276
Carrol: 305
Carroll in about 1 full season at SS is very slightly below average (this year, real small SS he’s been bad), where Crawford is significantly above average.
Sure pick him up to play vs. LHP.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Carroll's career platoon split is small
Play him against everyone. Crawford is bad.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Crawford’s platoon split is big tho, so the difference in offense between Carroll and Crawford vs. RHP would be smaller.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Do you think Carroll keeps his wOBA of 327 or believe ZiPS? Same Q for Crawford.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I believe that ZiPS is much better than any guess I could make
So I’d be comfortable going on the projection. And the gulf between their relative productions in the projection is still rather large.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Though, I will say
That ZiPS works better with major leaguers than minor leaguers, so Crawford’s projections are somewhat more ephemeral. And Carroll’s numbers in recent years have been interesting and unusual: his past couple seasons have been among his best, despite his age.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yeah the more I look at Carrolls stats, the more confused I am by his ZiPS.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
TheRealMattKemp Yo @jvalentine1, I think San Fran might have some of the most polite fans in baseball.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He is campaigning to play here.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I certainly wouldn't complain
As long as they moved him to a corner OF spot. Dude isn’t a CF.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
If Agent Ned wanted to make his team better
He would non-tender Loney, move Ethier to first, and move Kemp to right.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Are you serious?
Did you see that play he made in CF the other night? Would have made Willie Mays proud.
I like Bay Area sports teams. I like computers. I like ponies.
by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 19, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I am serious
He does not have good range.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Andre Eithier was nearby too.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
The way that was worded, I thought he was joking. That’s how Vin Scully descirbed the play.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I always think it’s really nice when opposing fans say things like this. They certainly don’t have to, and you know they hear a ton of bad stuff along with the good. Thanks Matt Kemp, I dislike you slightly less now than 5 minutes ago.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Opposing players, too. /drinks more coffee
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
The Real Matt Kemp
I guess Joe Montana wasn’t heckling him last night. Loved that shot.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Pedro Feliz is an asshole
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
/ring, ring
Cow orker: Can you help me? This access program isn’t working correctly.
Me: Sure.
/trouble shoots program. Finds solution. Tests it on own computer
/walks over to cow orker’s cube
Me: I figured it out. You just have to run this diagnostic here /click, click
Me: Just let that run and then try it. Let me know if it doesn’t work
/ring, ring
Cow orker: Diagnotic didn’t work. I clicked on something and it opened up some web page.
/walks back over to cow orker’s cube
/tries access program and it works
Cow orker: Oh I forgot to try it first.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I thought that orking cows was illegal in those parts.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It's encouraged.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Wow
I didn’t know the whole “cow orker” thing had spread from the WELL and was now an Internet meme.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Caption:
“LOL RAMS!”
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I did this to your mom last night!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
“You won’t disturb me. I’ll be in my room, masturbating.”
Like my diamonds? The Devil himself gave them to me...
Maybe the hardest I ever laughed at SNL
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 19, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
"Nice Catch"
C’mon, it is Joe Montana. Nothing but class. You guys remember the 80’s and early 90’s right?
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
"I married my twin sister!"
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Any lipreaders out there figure out what he was actually barking at Kemp? Couldn’t tell whether he was being nice or snarky.
Giants baseball: We'll take it.
I think he was being jokingly snarky, but then nice when Kemp came over and shook his hand.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Caption
“If you need your paycheck cashed…”
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Boooooooo
Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal
Assuming no rainouts, #SFGiants’ Vogelsong no longer will qualify after Wednesday’s game. Need one inning per team game to qualify. #MLB
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
also assuming
we care
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Badassery.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yup. And unless he throws a 9 inning CG he won’t qualify between his next two starts again
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Murdoch testifying in front of parliament live.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
wake me when someone puts him out of my misery
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 19, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Apparently someone just tried.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Wow
Hopefully it was just something funny like trying to rub Howie’s underwear in his face or something.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
BBC says they think its shaving cream
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
ANd the video the BBC is showing is funny. James Murdoch face is hilarious.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Got a link? The BBC link I found doesn’t work.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14193124
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
It looks like Murdoch’s wife attacked the dude after he pie’d Rupert.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Vogey had a great game
But I see hardly any love for Pablo and his bomb.
That was freaking epic. In Coors field that would have gone 550.
Time to repeat in '11!
It was majestic.
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It would have made BLB proud.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 19, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention
two stellar defensive plays, and a couple of singles to make it 3-for-4. Great Panda night all around.
Giants baseball: We'll take it.
Ugh knbr
gary radnich saying there is no reason to hate to LOLDGERS any more,
Let's just wipe out a century of the rivalry because we won it all and they are bankrupt
Fuck that noise!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 19, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, I take everything Gary Radnich says seriously.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a lolhate going on right now
I will save the angerhate for when the Dodgers are good again
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, there’s never been any reason to listen to Radnich.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 19, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
That dude that always does Baggs' blog now
says to retire the “Beat LA!” chant. WTF is wrong with these people? And why doesn’t Baggs write his own blog anymore? I’m gonna have to start reading Shulman.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Yeah, I really don’t like Shulman, but not-Baggs is the worst.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
He doesn’t write every day, I don’t think.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Fair. I figured he was in the “insignificant” category.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
That too. I used to check in on the Brandon Belt & De Rosa blog, but I haven’t for a while. Are they still doing that?
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From Carl Steward filling in for Baggs
One more thing, and forgive the personal rant: Once and for all, could Giants fans just ditch the "Beat LA" chant? It’s always struck me as a chant of insecure desperation and self-imposed inferiority. Still does. This is the type of thing they chant at Warriors games when the Lakers come to town. With a World Series title, Giants fans just don’t need to do it anymore … yet they do. It ain’t 1976 or 1986 anymore, folks, and the Dodgers haven’t won a World Series in 23 years. Not necessary.
Seriously this guy is terrible first writing about all the “tejada bashing” going on and this
When the Dodgers were good and the Giants were in disarray
I doubt that any Dodger fans gave two shits about the Giants. They certainly didn’t wish the Giants were better.
Fuck them. I hope they rot in hell.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Being in disarray because of bad baseball decisions is different
I think this is more akin to Dodger fans being happy with the Giants headed to St. Pete. (I would bet a lot of Dodger fans were happy to see them stay in S.F.)
The thong is, it happened.
Ok be honest here:
When you heard De La Rosa was pitching tonight did you immediately think:
a) Isn’t De La Rosa on the CoLOLrado Rockies
b) Isn’t he injured
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 9:31 AM PDT reply actions
Pitching for the dodgers of course ;)
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Guilty on all counts.
Then when I heard he was rookie pitcher, plus with MadBum pitching at him, I just know we’ll get one hit.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
errr
MadBum pitching at him home
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Madbum likes inside Cheeze
Not totally wrong the first time
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Neither
Rubby is an excellent young pitcher who is (or should be) known by those that follow MLB prospects.
Dude is really good; and probably will be for a long time.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, his name is hilarious, so there’s no excuse.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Rec’d. ANd by young you mean older than MadBum.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
does he throw a slider? If so were fuked
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
His minor league career doesn’t strike me as overly impressive, but I suppose it’s important to adjust for his age.
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Looks like so far his biggest weakness in the majors has been walking guys, unfortunately not something we expect this Giants team to take advantage of.
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He throws really really hard.
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Rubby is a very amusing name.
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Nothing to get
It’s just a silly name. AFAIK, It’s actually pronounced rub – ee, despite the fact that some announcers thought it was pronounced “ruby”.
You’re not amused by the name Rubby? Maybe I’m crazy.
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You are crazy (cray-z), but it is an extremely amusing name.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It sounds like something you'd say to an excited dog
Who wants a belly rubby? Who wants a belly rubby? You do!
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Good morning, all.
So, Nate Schierholtz. I can’t say I expected it, but his emergence has to be the most pleasant non-Vogelsong surprise of the season. With Pablo, Ross, and Nate producing the way he is, the Giants actually have three above-average bats in their lineup. Which, I have to say, is way cool. With that said, snap McCoven poll: which do you think is more likely to sustain, Cody’s walk rate, or Nate’s power?
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Nate is buff, so I’ll say his power shall sustain.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 19, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
This
Power has never been an issue with Nate. Contact rate is what we should all be concerned with.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I suppose I just meant the 37 points of SLG he’s added this year over his career numbers. It’s funny, he’s swinging at more pitches outside the zone, the same amount in, yet his contact rate is his highest yet outside of his 81 PA stretch in ’08.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
It's the gloves!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 19, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
He stopped trying to turn on everything. Pitch outside ? Hit it to LF.
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I enjoyed re-living this game via your recap.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
did this come up?
Via fangraphs, Giants team pitching now tied for NL ERA (3.15), lead MLB by FIP (by .02 lawl)
Did anyone in the McCoven get their invite to the White House next week? Mine seems to be lost in the mail...
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 19, 2011 9:42 AM PDT reply actions
I was uninvited when I RSVP’d with Bradley Manning as my guest.
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Shift+A
Here you’ll find folks wear hats on their feat
…and what a feat it was!
Probably mentioned upthread, but save some Rag’s love for Mark Gardner as well. He’s got the pen running as smooth as pens ever run.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
I won’t talk about it here, though. First-run spoilers are no good.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope so!
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by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad to see our Kung Fu Panda do so well on the same night I finally got around to seeing Kung Fu Panda 2
Clearly it was meant to be.
Plan on watching that movie many, many times.
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Any word on tejada yet...
Please tell me he’s going on the 15-day DL
Seriously?
Neither his stats nor his “eye test” back that up.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't get why they haven't adjusted that formula yet
It always way over-predicts on closers, every year.
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It's usually pretty good about everything else too
But even Kimbrel has better stats all around except for his win/loss
Kimbrel has more strike outs than Jurrjens.
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They’ll probably adjust it again when a closer finishes top on their list and doesn’t get the Cy Young. My guess is they had to seriously tweak the formula when Gagne won the award.
by paboperfecto on Jul 19, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
It got messed up when Gagne won the Cy. I think closers do generally finish in the top 10 tho.
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It was a close race when Gagne won
Looks like they had the formula down already.
2003 Cy Young Predictor
Phillies in two!
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Jesus, Sandoval has had a hit in all but 2 games since coming back off the DL on June 14th.
The first six innings are overrated.
seriously, top 5 this year at this rate
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Did he reach base in the other game (not the SD game that ended his hitting streak) where he didn’t have a hit?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
2 BB and sac fly
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
oh wait
nvm, read fail
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Aw :(. I was going to try and calculate how many games in a row he has reached base, but I guess that spoiled it.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I prefer OB streak over hit streak. It’s about not making outs.
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How about reaching base 84 games in a row?
http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201107/does-ted-williams-own-more-impressive-streak-joe-dimaggio
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Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
He’s at 3.2 fWAR in only 55 games. That’s insane.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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That’s a 9.4 pace in 162 games (which obviously won’t happen, but just that pace is incredible).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Obviously that’s boosted by a crazy high UZR right now, but damn if he’s not passing the eye test defensively.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I looked at that yesterday
was 2.6 war in 54…
Even so, 9.4 pace minus the 1/4 year he missed is a pace for about 7 War in 3/4 year.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
He now easily leads NL 3B in fWAR. The next highest guy is Ryan Roberts at 2.8 in 84 games.
If Pablo had played 84 games this year, he’d be at 4.8 WAR which would lead the majors.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
(for 3B, obviously)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He’s living up to my most optimistic predictions as a third baseman!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I mean, whatever
Call me when he gets to 10. Yawn.
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GP is the baseball equivalent of that high expectation asian father meme.
The first six innings are overrated.
LOL IRL
Cynical GP is cynical.
Giants baseball: We'll take it.
by TheAntiBork on Jul 19, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
9 WAR?
why not 10 WAR? son, I am disappoint
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He helps the rest of us appear sane and reasonable.
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So, by inference, I appear insane and unreasonable?
Interesting.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
What are people's thoughts on FanGraphs revised SIERA
I enjoyed this piece and think the metric has lots of potential
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Very interesting
As far as I can tell, they haven’t put the stat up on player pages yet, but if they come to the conclusion that it’s better than what they’ve got now, I’ll be interested to see if they decide to use it as a WAR component. It would certainly mollify certain criticisms of FIP.
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Yah I agree
I always liked FIP and xFIP to a degree but they always seemed too bare bones to me. SIERA seems to incorporate a lot more elements of pitching.
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I like that SIERA uses PA not IP.
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I thought that was property of Baseball Prospectus. Glad to see it isn’t. Seems like good work, though the gain over FIP/xFIP is probably incremental.
I recall seeing a predictive study that had them all very similarly ranked
But it looks like fangraphs is trying to come up with a new SIERA? Unless I’m misreading it.
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I recall seeing something similar. I’m tempted to say at Baseball Analysts.
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Scratch that. Check this out.
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If I'm reading that correctly
xFIP was the best.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
This confused me a bit
• Pitchers who have higher fly ball rates allow fewer home runs per fly ball.
Example: Matt Cain
With a career 45% fly ball rate, Matt Cain is among the best at keeping his fly balls in the yard. He gives up mostly infield flies and shallow outfield flies, which is why his career HR/FB is just 6.8%. SIERA assumes that pitchers who allow more fly balls have below-average HR/FB rates, and that’s exactly what happens
.
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Is there a correlation between FB% and HR/FB%? I haven’t heard of one.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
the correlation is
It’s really fucking hard to hit a GB HR
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Does this make sense?
If you’re a fly ball pitcher and have a high hr/fb% you’re not going to last very long. So pitchers who stick in the bigs while giving up a lot of fly balls must have low hr/fb%
WWRWD?
Got it. I think the way they phrased it confused me
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Pulled 2010 numbers off Fangraphs and there doesn't seem to be one
For what it’s worth, IFFB% and HR/FB% also have no correlation:
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
allow me
4 years of data, minimum 500 IP. R = -.185
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
My graph took me all of 30 seconds to make, so I’ll defer to oldjacket’s.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
His has a line on it, so yeah
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
four minutes
I was in a hurry, otherwise I would have used R.
I’ve run some regressions on this before, though. I knew that the relationship isn’t visually clear unless you divide it by the league average.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
GRAPHTACULAR!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I love it.
It’s like FIP but adjusted in much more intelligent ways than xFIP or tRA.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
We'll lets see the regression models first
Time after time, xFIP has stood tall in terms of predictive quality. It’s yet to be dethroned.
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not quite true
there have been lots of studies, but the margins between the run estimators are often very narrow and different studies have found different winners.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Shift-A: More Beltran via mlbtraderumor
Rival executives tell ESPN’s Buster Olney that Beltran’s trade value would be much higher if not for a contractual clause that prevents his team from offering arbitration after the season, therefore eliminating draft pick compensation. My take: Beltran is not a lock for Type A status, and most teams would have been reluctant to offer arbitration to him given his health history and $18.5MM salary. The impact of Beltran’s “no arbitration offer” clause on his trade value seems overstated.
The Yankees discussed Beltran with the Mets, reports Olney, but he cannot see a deal happening unless it’s a pure salary dump. Bob Klapisch goes a step further, saying the Yankees briefly entertained the idea but decided it’s not a fit.
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Rival executives tell ESPN's Buster Olney that duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
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Good morning GP
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I actually agree with it though. I mean, if we got Beltran would you want Sabes and co offering arb at the risk he accepts
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure
It wouldn’t be cheap, but getting a player of Beltran’s quality on a one year contract? I think you’d jump on that. One year deals are awesome for teams. That’s why players almost never sign them, and especially not when they’re coming off a good year.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I agree with this.
Even big money one-year deals are not that risky.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL Tejada!
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I guess so, it just seems like a lot of money to risk on this team (Zito, ROwand)
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, it's a lot of money on one year
But you only have to pay him for one year.
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this is why I don't get why
the rumors were becoming “TOP TOP TOP PROSPECT!!” I can’t see any GMs doing that.
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Also the
Mets will pay salary = opening up the trade market for Beltran.
Beltran would not go to any small markets who couldn’t afford him outright. He is not going to waive his no-trade for the Pirates, Indians, or Reds.
Mets say that they would trade him to the NL East but I find that hard to believe.
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TBH, it the same every year with the top talent trade candidates, 3+ weeks out they want the BEST OF THE BEST, 2-3 weeks out the demand drops to one of your top prospects, and then it continually drop to the players true value.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Burrell most likely
He’d be superfluous at that juncture
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Burrel owed .5 mil, Rowand 18 mil
Both hitting roughly the same (so far this year) , Rowand better defense.
Has to be Burrel, if the Giants were going to DFA a guy
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
They are not even roughly similar in hitting.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
"hitting roughly the same"?
Wow, order me a bottle or two of whatever you’re drinking.
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Good point, but
I hate to see a guy penalized because he signed a team-friendly contract.
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suprafluous?
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I'd hope Rowand
But I think what would actually happen is that they’d keep all the OFs and just send down a catcher.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
and never talk of Belt again
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unless you are talking about trading him for Reyes obviously
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well of course
But the Mets have Ike Davis and Chris Duda and wouldn’t be interested in a 1B
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Wait, didn’t Jon Heyman say that that clause doesn’t pass to the acquiring team?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Who benefits with that clause in his contract? I don’t really understand why it’s there.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Beltran does. It guaranteed him to be a FA rather than arbitration.
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I’m not really seeing how that would help. He could always decline arb.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
But
It would make teams less reticent to sign him and therefore lose a pick.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Panda OPS
Just thought I’d check where Panda ranks in OPS these days, given the hitting streak, XBH and the bomb last night. Answer: 0.871 OPS is good for #14 in NL (PA>200).
Along the way, I noticed that the Red Sox have FIVE guys in the AL top 12, all 0.870 or better. That’s like having five Pandas in your lineup (albeit far less than five times the goofy fun). C’mon guys, share nicely.
Giants baseball: We'll take it.
For drool factor
What numbers would Panda be doing if he did the Adrian Gonzalaz and went to Fenway.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
One small Caveat
Fenway Park gives you a tremendous boost in OPS. Fly outs to LF becomes doubles and Fly outs to RF becomes HR.
Beyond that, the Red Sox sure have guys who know how to draw walks. I am a huge Youkilis fan. dude knows how to walk. It’s insane.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
he's the Greek god of walks
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Youk
Which is pretty impressive for not actually being Greek.
"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris
Fair point
Guess I should go look up wOPS+ or whatever, but I’m too lazy.
Nonetheless, we’d be crazy happy to have any one of those five guys added to the lineup (AGon, Papi, Youk, Ellsbury, Pedroia).
Giants baseball: We'll take it.
by TheAntiBork on Jul 19, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Shift+A
I’m sure it’s already been discussed, but last night’s Vogelsong-Crawford-Huff double play in the 4th inning, immediately followed by Panda’s bomb, was my favorite two-pitch sequence of 2011. Crawford’s throw in particular was phenomenal.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
The Panda to Grant to Huff DP was nice as well.
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Yes
Both were awesome. I held my breath more for the first one. It was the first run of the game, and Vogey was a half second more of boble from blowing it.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
Kemp was so much faster to home, he ran up the line to argue with 1st base ump at the call.
That point, I realized how calm SF is in close games, giving them a small advantage. Contributing factor to 1 run game dominance (also amazing SP and amazing Pen)
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Pretty good example of the lower scoring run environment.
Pablo has the same ops + this year as he did in 2009 despite having an 70 pt OPS.
Year ave/obp/slg/ops ops+
2009 330/387/556/943 144
2011 310/355/516/871 144
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
Just 20 BA points from being almost exactly the same slashes
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm still amazed they won it all with the year he had in 2010
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 19, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
you could also say that about Zito
it didn’t matter in the end.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
30% of payroll to Zito+Rowand
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
turns out it should all have gone to Edgar Renteria
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
This is something I've been kicking around
I’m a big fan, of course, of park and league adjusted stats. But I just wonder to what extent they’re useful for individual players.
Panda’s a good example. If you asked me if he was hitting as well this year as he had in 2009, I’d say of course not. But relative to the rest of the league, he is. Which makes me wonder to what extent we should credit a player for hitting well relative to the league rather than relative to his own past performance.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
By both metrics
Cameron Maybin is the greatest CF of the past 50 years.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I wouldn’t be surprised if his OPS+ is influenced by the fact the Giants seem to have the best pitchers park in the league this year. Errr, the least amount of runs/HR in ATT.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
SacBee on Brandon Belt
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/07/19/3778297/his-swing-has-a-major-hitch.html#mi_rss=San%20Francisco%20Giants
“Quite frankly, that was really frustrating,” Giants general manager Brian Sabean said of Belt’s injury. “And the timing wasn’t necessarily good when the injury came because we brought him up for a reason. We thought he was going to be able to help us.”…
“It’s not quite 100 percent, but it’s getting there,” Belt said. “It’s getting better every day. I can definitely play with it. I would assume that in probably another week or two it should be 100 percent.”
I guess the wrist might have been a factor in whether he’s called up or not. He been hitting very well of late, winning PCL player of the week, but had a horrid game last night in Reno, going 0 for 4 with 4 strikeouts and a walk. Everyones entitled to a bomb once and awhile, I guess.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 19, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
This quote
"It’s not quite 100 percent, but it’s getting there," Belt said. "It’s getting better every day. I can definitely play with it. I would assume that in probably another week or two it should be 100 percent."
…should simmer down all the “Sabean must hate Belt or he’d be up NOW” talk, but probably won’t.
Let’s see where things are in two weeks.
The thong is, it happened.
Why should it simmer it?
Belt is still mashing, no matter what arbitrary % he’s attaching to his wrist. Huff is still terrible, despite the fact that he’s completely healthy.
Belt’s health is a good excuse for keeping him in the minors. But it’s still an excuse.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yes, not wanting to risk the bright future of a young player is just an excuse.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions
He's mashing AAA pitching
He said himself he’s not 100%. Given that he struggled before at 100%, don’t you think waiting until he’s at 100% again makes sense?
The thong is, it happened.
Last night he just looked bad. Could be lingering injury, or it could of been his defensive position/play affecting his confidence. He was playing RF and looked lost. I actually felt bad for the guy. There were three plays on balls hit to RF that made him look “Aubrey Huff” bad. Hopefully, they have him at 1B tonight.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
How is swinging in the minors, healthwise, any different then swinging in the majors?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
In AAA, giving him a day off based solely on his health is more likely while in the MLB, players are expected to play through injury.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 19, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions
he struck out 4 times and still was able to cheat the game!
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Too lazy to look: Tejada to DL?
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TOO SOON
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
What happens when an unstoppable force and unmovable object collide?
Or when every Giants starter goes on the DL vs Tejada.
Tejada wins.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 19, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Too lazy to ctrl+f Tejada in this thread?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 19, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit. I did not thinkt hat night couldve been any worse for Brooks Conrad
The way Brooks Conrad remembers it, and honestly it was all moving a little fast at the time, the vaguely familiar earrings were in his wife’s hand, which was shaking from anger and fear and whatever else courses through a wife’s nervous system when she’s discovered another woman’s earrings in her husband’s travel bag.
Jessie, his darling Jessie, who’d tried so hard not to cry that afternoon when he’d lost his bearings and the baseball kept bouncing away and 53,000 people were booing and calling him a hack, her lip was quivering again and her eyes had narrowed and geez what a day this was turning into
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Wow
I really feel bad for him.
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It’s a good article, although I would have been a little more interested in his family life during his time in the minors and less about how his parents raised him.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Huh, I didn't realize he was a second baseman in college
I kinda thought he was new to the position
WWRWD?
So, he basically got up in the middle of the night woke his mom up and was all "I need your help, claim the earings the morning are yours! PLEASE! "
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, why didn't he just say they were his mom's earrings?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He said he didn’t know whose earrings they were.
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Oh, I guess I skimmed the article
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Why are his mom’s earrings in his luggage?
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
They complete the outfit.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Maybe they were little tomahawks.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Diamond E-4's!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because having her nipple and genitalia rings in his luggage would have been weird
The thong is, it happened.
Props to:
Dave Righetti
Mark Gardner
Dave Groeschner
Pat Rice
Ross Grimsley
Brian Cooper
Steve Kline
Jerry Cram
& anyone else who has helped develop this pitching staff and keep them healthy.
WHERE IS BRISBEE?
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DANCE, BLOGGER!! DANCE!!
MAKE WITH THE FUNNY!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m honestly wondering how often a post goes up here before noon. F’n n00b.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I did not want a new post. I just wanted to know where you were.
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I want a new post.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
/throws a Washington Post back
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I first read this as Newspaper Wins Above Replacement, which should totally be a thing.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
What’s the league average newspaper though?
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or
the replacement newspaper?
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The USA Today
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I might go along with that.
I really enjoy USA Today, and I think it could reasonably be the “average” newspaper in this country.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
The only time I read that paper is when I am traveling and it gets left outside of my room.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Nothing against that paper
I just don’t have the time normally to read an actual “dead tree” newspaper. I stopped my Chronicle subscription because they would just pile up.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I still take the Sunday Chron. Cant give up that tradition—tunes, coffee, paper giving way to brunch, booze and baseball…
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
This
I have a Sunday subscription to an actual dead tree newspaper. Music, Coffee and a newspaper has been a Sunday morni ng tradtion for me for about thirty five years.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I don’t know…the USA today is pretty bad.
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It’s basically a newspaper based upon a 6th grader’s science project board. Lots of graphics, light on actual news.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
The Onion Weekly
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions
The bad news is that I was working on an assignment for Baseball Nation. The good news is that it was on Madison Bumgarner.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Darn
If you’re writing about Madison, I want people to actually read it!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Why would you write about a player who is not even within the top 50 most valuable players?
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Doesn't know how to win
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Speaking of Baseball Nation
TMZ Stadium is the best name ever.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Watching. Always watching. Never sullying myself in the comments, but always watching.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Does SBNation provide you with a Grant signal like they do for Sullivan?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
What would a grant signal look like? What does the Sullivan signal look like?
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My suggestion for the Grant signal
would be a fat cat
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The man does not look like Mike Fontenot. He does not look like Fontenot. One of these days, all of you will realize I’m right.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Grant's wife was the one who started this whole thing
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’ve pulled the “Jeez, who does that guy look like? It’s driving me nuts” card with random people. More than a couple have said, “Uh, like you.”
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 19, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
and 
#hatsoffCOL
Heh…
I mean, not that I would be so classless and vile to take advantage of this. Far be it from me to stop anyone else though!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:24 AM PDT reply actions
It seems like #HatsOffSF is the only one that’s being used for completely random shit. All the rest are being used for snarky “good” things.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
“What song is it you wanna hear…?”
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
No no no, too old school.
“Play some Slayer!”
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get PR’s logo. Why is the ball coming back into the stadium? Was it an opponent’s homerun and so a fan is throwing it back?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The motion lines imply it came into the stadium from distant mountains, which makes even less sense.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Perhaps it was hit so hard that it circled the globe!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The ball is a heavenly gift to Rockies fans for being such classy, bright and devoted baseball fans. PR represents all Rockies fans b/c the having the awesome f#*!ing ban on curse words!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I just came back from the vending machine
It is the kind of machine that uses those spinning coils to dispense it’s products. When I put my money and and selected the letter/number combo for ChexMix, two bags fell out.
I felt like I won the lottery.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 19, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I love when that happens. My work has these newfangled vending machines with like a claw arm, so I don’t think this will ever happen to me again.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
They have ones with IR sensors at my work. They don’t charge unless the sensor can confirm a product was delivered.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Pro tip
I discovered that if you get a mini meal at mcdonalds and ask to swap out the fries for a side salad, about 20% of the time they’ll mistakenly give you the fries too.
Little things like this make me happy.
The first six innings are overrated.
Snacks are free at Natto’s work.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
This little online shop my friend used to work for got bought out by google and moved to their campus. I was really jealous of the cafeteria possibilities.
Then 3 months later they laid everyone off. I was less jealous then.
The first six innings are overrated.
There are donut holes and ginger ale in the kitchen. I don’t know when they got here, but I’m not complaining.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
attn GOT fans
http://winter-is-coming.net/2011/07/stannis-and-melisandre-cast/
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Huh
She looks right, but he is nothing like how I pictured Stannis in my head. Doesn’t matter if he can act.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
No offense to you, this is a general comment, but it always makes me lol when people say that. It is a pity the casting director didn’t look into your head before casting someone!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
This was especially rampant during the casting for The Hunger Games.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I didn’t mean that at all, but I know what you mean. I did see HBO’s John Adams, in which he played Jefferson, and he was excellent. Stannis is nothing like Jefferson but I’m sure he’s up to the challenge.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
I kinda wanted Christopher Eccelston as Stannis
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Rebecca Black’s interview on The Early Show. SPOILER ALERT: You will be dumber after seeing it.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
You will be dumber after seeing it.
This is also true of The Early Show itself.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
FOX AND FRIENDS FOREVER
The first six innings are overrated.
Democracy Now! is the only news show that needs to exist.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
No way, Fox and Friends is amazing. It combines the inanity of a morning news/entertainment show with their usual crazy right wing politics.
You can actually feel your brain turning to a jelly and leaking out of your ears.
The first six innings are overrated.
The show has such a ridiculous name.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
God, that Amy Goodman is annoying as hell.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
How so?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Just a personal thing, I guess. She comes across as holier-than-thou to me. DM! is like FoxNews for the left.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Except they, you know, don’t fabricate shit.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The name Demorcacy NOW! really turns me off to them.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Well I highly recommend the show. They have interesting interviews and tend to report stuff you don’t necessarily see other places. I know the host Amy Goodman has won awards for indy journalism and I think the show itself has too.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
The TODAY show too!
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 19, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
REBECCA BLACK DOES NOT HAVE A "COOL FACTOR."
If she wants to learn how to obtain a “Cool Factor,” have her talk to Ryan Muthafuckin Vogelsong.
Fact.
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
by GIANT stoner on Jul 19, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m glad she told me how to get that “cool factor”
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Arizona needs to remember how to lose.
The way that they are hanging with us is annoying.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 19, 2011 11:57 AM PDT reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/7/19/2283286/post-post-game-pre-pre-game-links#comments
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
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