Ranking the brain locks in Giants history
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 12:21 PM PDT
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PrintNo series preview. Maybe there will be a belated one tomorrow, but this couldn't wait. This is the most important academic exercise in this site's history-- an imperative baseball debate as the great Jon Bois would put it. Where does Eli Whiteside's brain lock rank in recent Giants' lore?
The Giants are the all-time brain-lock leaders throughout baseball history. The most famous brain lock in baseball history has to be Merkle's Boner, probably because it has such a catchy name. My theory is that this name is catchy because it features the word "boner." This is a heavily researched theory. And there's a sick part of me that would want to see what this site would look like if that kind of base running screw-up cost the 2011 Giants the NLCS. Defenestration sensation all across SB Nation.
In recent history, there's Ruben Rivera. He wins, of course. He had 17 different brain locks in one play, and it really was the worst base running in the history of the game. The biggest brain lock in recent Giants history is like the best Herman Melville book with a whale in it. Just accept that "Moby Dick" is the answer, and then you can start cycling through the other possibilities, like "Whales, Whales, Whales," "Redburn II: The Whale Cometh," and "Billy Budd (10th Anniversary Edition, Now With Whales)." This is a battle for second place.
The contenders:
Dustan Mohr's catch and fall
Everyone remembers Cody Ransom's boot and Wayne Franklin's waynefranklining, but a couple of days earlier, Mohr dove to catch a fly ball in foul territory with the winning run at third with one out. There was no way his decision to catch the ball would have led to anything but a loss, and it was a late-season loss that went a long way towards eliminating the Giants from contention.
But to be fair to Mohr, if he had let the ball drop, the bases would still have been loaded with one out and Dustin Hermanson on the mound. The game was going to end anyways, probably on a five-run homer.
Tim Lincecum's Whatever
If the Rangers had won Game One after breaking open the game in the first inning, maybe the Giants don't win the World Series. And if the Giants don't win the World Series, this moment isn't so cute. Months and months later, we've still never received a good answer for what Lincecum was thinking. He described it as a "brain fart," which is swell, but it was of such a magnitude that Lincecum forgot the rules of baseball. That's not a brain fart; that's brain cholera.
But the Giants won the game and the Series, so it's kind of an adorable screw-up now. Kind of.
Eli Whiteside's non-throw
I think this one is my favorite, which is to say, my least favorite at the time. It was amazing. It was hot, and Eli Whiteside just didn't want to throw a baseball. To get out of throwing a baseball, he argued with the umpire. Even though umpires never change their minds, and even though all Whiteside had to do was throw the ball to first, he said, "Hold on. I got this. I'll use my eerie grey powers of persuasion to fix everything." And the ump said, "No. That hit the dirt. That hit the dirt," which ruined everything. The ump was supposed to just admit he was wrong.
The best part, which is to say the worst part, is that Whiteside was wrong. There was a cloud of dust that kicked up on the play. But it didn't matter if Whiteside were right or wrong. If the batter had thrown his bat at a pitchout and missed the ball by six feet, you still throw the damned ball when the ump says it hit the ground. Throw it. If you wing it down the line, argue with the ump then.
Considering the situation, I'm tempted to say Lincecum's was worse. But that also has the built-in excuse of the getting caught up in the adrenaline of the World Series. Whiteside's made absolutely no sense. It was awesome. It didn't cost the Giants a win, so it's something we can laugh about now.
If you have another contender, please state your case in the comments section. This is important stuff, and that can't be an exhaustive list up there.
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That Dustin Mohr one pissed me off
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That Dustin Mohr one pissed me off
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Huh? Aside from this play he was damned solid. I was actually a bit sad to see him go, thought we could’ve used him the next year.
He also dropped a fly ball that cost the Giants a different game.
I was at this game. It sucked. http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200408210.shtml
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I actually liked Dustin Mohr.
He wasn’t a horrid player. He played well for us, hustled, and if I remember, he got injured on that play. Granted I screamed at the TV… don’t catch it!!! but I can’t fault the guy for his effort.
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Did Mohr dive or did he actually trip over the bullpen mound? Maybe I’m mixing up two different plays, but I think I remember him tripping.
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I think you're right
He tripped over the bullpen mound. After catching the ball. Ugh.
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Yah he definitely tripped over the pitchers mound
I didn’t want to call the overlod out for fear of reprisals
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Ya he ran and tripped on the bullpen mound, damn good play...
too bad there was a man on 3 and less than 2 outs.
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As I’ve previously recounted on this site, I was watching that game on TV at the Hotel Utah bar, and when Mohr started running towards foul territory to try and catch it, the entire bar started screaming “NO! NO!” And then there was kind of a collective cursing when he caught it.
It seems so quaint, post-TGWTWS.
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I swear to this day Mohr could have thrown the guy out.
(Actually checks who the runner was.)
Huh, seems it was Kerry Robinson, pretty much a nobody, but somebody who would have been fast perhaps. A fair amount of steals vs actual playing time and played CF. I’m not as convinced, but I always thought he would have thrown the guy out. I’m pretty sure I’ve made the Mohr would have thrown him out argument here before as well.
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Huh
I swear I’m not kidding you when I say I could have sworn we were going to play the Padres again today.
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This thread is ever so lonely.
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Dustin’s Demise.
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Dustan.
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I just noticed who sponsors his bbref page:
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Dude wins World Series Championships.
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Isn’t it Dustan Mohr and Dustin Eli Whiteside?
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I know it was a bonehead (boner?) play but he made a mental error, recovered, threw the ball in time to get the guy out (poor call notwithstanding), apologized for it after the game and the Giants still won. Whitey also did a lot of other good things in this game that arguably were more positive than that was negative. Give him a break.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:27 PM PDT reply actions
This thread isn’t about beating up on Whiteside. It’s about appreciating great screw-ups.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Pfffft. You don't get to decide what threads are about.
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Oh I know, and I appreciated both the screw ups and the article. I’ve just read most of the posts on MCC for the last 20 hours or so and there was a disproportionate amount of Whitey hate, so I was just remarking on that.
Any screw up with “Dustin Mohr” in the title is probably an automatic winner for worst of all time, btw.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Bingo.
That call at 1st was atrocious: it wasn’t even particularly close.
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What I don't understand
The ump, for whatever reason, was standing on the foul line so he didn’t have a clear view of the play. Normally on a play at first the ump is stationed 10 or 15 feet off the line so he can see. So why, once he realized there was going to be a play at first, did the ump not move into position?
Excellent question.
You’d have to ask him. And McClellan is supposed to be one of the less-bad lot.
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Is it mental errors only? Because Jose Cruz Jr.
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Also, Merkle gets a bad rep. It was a walk off single and a bullshit call. However, if not for that, the Cubs probably don’t go to the World Series and their drought would be even longer.
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This was the first thought I had. Also Candy in StLouis Oct 87.
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Because the decision to slide was a mental error. Cruz wouldn’t qualify because that’s just a clank.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
what makes it worse for Candy is that he did the same thing in game 3
I cannot believe I even remember this, but he cost the team that game as well with another poor decision to try a sliding catch. The Giants (I believe) had the lead at the time and then lost.
I wonder if Grant gets money per #hatsoffSF tweet
We would be making him, like, so rich right now.
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What’s the deal with that hashtag?
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by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Ha, not worth it.
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by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Wellemeyer walked a pitcher who was trying to bunt. That seems like as much of a mental boner as it is a physical one. If the pitcher is trying to bunt, STOP NIBBLING, YOU BOOB.
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In fact, I think he may have done this twice.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I like the comment because it involves, mental boners, physical boners, and boobs.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate that comment because it involves too many commas.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
No, no. The last two commas are awesome.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oxford commas totally rock
They are elegant, useful, and convey the exact meaning of the sentence.
She and Him, Simon and Garfunkel and Crosby, Stills, and Nash are all appreciative.
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I still contend that the only thing that causes confusion when the oxford comma is used or omitted properly is the fact that the option exists omit it in contexts when its use would be proper.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Rewrote that a few times and still lost a word in the middle. Durn.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
needs moar commas
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The only cases . . .
. . . one can find adduced for omitting the comma are ones where the whole shebang should have been cast differently to begin with. For example, the Wikipedia article says that—
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—is still ambiguous; it (theoretically) is, but it should have been—
To my parents, to Ayn Rand, and to God.
Or, even simpler—
To God, my parents, and Ayn Rand.
—which removes the dubious apposition.
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Just so.
And not appreciative is the writer who didn’t believe in it who dedicated her book—
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Ayn Rand would not approve of that relationship
And certainly neither would God.
The first six innings are overrated.
I thought Rand was a big atheist… A fact that gets conveniently swept under the rug most of the time by her current supporters.
The first six innings are overrated.
How about the 3B coach's boner in the 2003 NLDS to send Snow?
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"3B Coach in the 2003 NLDS Boner"
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by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmm. Maybe not including Eric Young on the 2003 roster.
At the expense of two situational lefties on a Marlins team that only had one left-handed hitter in the lineup — Juan Pierre.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Forgot about Todd Hollandsworth and Andy Fox.
Definitely needed both Erye and Christiansen on that roster.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
He was making up for the 3b coach’s boner in the 1962 World Series to not send Alou.
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This is chasm, right?
For a long time I’ve wondered why more isn’t mentioned about both Felipe Alou and Chuck Hiller both failing to get a bunt down, and subsequently striking out. Failing to get a bunt down doesn’t quite rise to the level of brain lock, though. But had either one of those guys simply executed properly, Matty would have been in scoring position, and Mays’ double would’ve tied the game.
But maybe the real boner here was that of Alvin Dark, for ordering the bunts. Why not just let Felipe (a good hitter who probably wasn’t asked to bunt very often) and Hiller swing away, rather than giving away not one, but two outs prior to Mays coming up?
I suppose the reason Dark has never been called out for ordering the bunts is that he was employing a generally accepted strategy (widely accepted then). I think it was a bad strategy, but I guess it’s not brain lock if he meant to do exactly what he did.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Not chasm on my part. Actually much has been made for years for Felipe Alou failing to get the bunt down. Fla-Giant mentions it below, and during the years Felipe was manager you’d frequently see stories in the papers refer to the fact that failing to get that bunt down was his greatest baseball regret. I don’t think Dark has ever been criticized for ordering the bunts because at the time bunts and small ball were considered essential parts of the game, and even today for managers who don’t like bunting and sabremetricians themsleves that would certainly have been seen as the ultimate bunting situations. For Felipe of course. The same isn’t true of Hiller’s AB, but then Hiller was such a terrible, terrible hitter that with Mays on deck and McCovey in the hole that certainly wasn’t seen as a stretch either.
No what I was referring to was the 3B coach not trying to have Matty Alou score from 1B on Mays double into the corner. It was the height of conservatism to hold Matty on that play with two outs; a perfect relay had an outside chance of cutting him down at the plate but that’s the best I could say of the way that play was developing, and with a wet ball the chances of three different people handling it perfectly was slight. He should have sent him and tied the game then let them deal with McCovey and Cepeda.
BTW, ironically, given Felipe and Hiller’s failures, Matty Alou himself had reached base on a bunt single.
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I thought maybe it was chasm because every account I’ve read opines that Alou would’ve been out by plenty had he attempted to score. Your point is well taken, though. Perhaps it was worth the attempt, in hopes that something would go wrong in the exchange of throws and relays. What were the odds that one of those exchanges would go wrong and Alou would score, vs. what were the odds that McCovey (or Cepeda) would bring home the tying (and possibly winning) run(s)?
Yep, Matty Alou did reach base on a bunt single. Of course, Matty was always a good bunter. Unfortunately he couldn’t bunt himself over. I still don’t like Dark’s call for Felipe and Hiller to bunt. I don’t remember either Felipe or Hiller as being proficient bunters—which I think has to go into the decision. I think managers too often call for the bunt without considering whether or not the hitter in question is actually good at it. I definitely would rather have seen Felipe swinging away there. You’re right about Hiller, though. Terrible hitter—his earlier grand slam in Game 4 notwithstanding.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Honestly? Though we all love JT, he blew it on that one by FREEZING on a line drive hit by Hammonds . . . with 2 outs. He was slow, but not that slow — the play at home should have been much closer.
It was fielded pretty shallow and if he did freeze he definitely shouldn’t have been waved home.
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I don’t know if there’s video of it anywhere (thanks MLB for being lame at the Internet), but I distinctly remember seeing JT freeze on the hit, as though he thought he could be doubled up. It explains why he was thrown out by SO MUCH.
Really, that whole series was like one big brainfart for the Giants. In addition to the Cruz and Snow plays, I think the Giants committed something like 52 fielding errors in those 4 games (but I don’t have the stats handy).
Oh, I see
You mean he was caught simply because he was slow, etc. It’s possible, certainly. However from my memories of the replays, Snow definitely hesitated after Hammonds made contact (instead of immediately taking off, which he should have), which surely contributed to his getting gunned down.
I know there was a late-season or postseason game last year where, through some bizarre confluence of Bork managing decisions, Brian Wilson had to bat in the 8th or 9th with men on base, and all he needed to do was not move his bat from his shoulders. Which, of course, he failed to do, and either popped up or grounded into a double play.
Why can’t I remember the details? Some help, please.
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In this category of errors should lie Tejada’s sneeze-swing with a take sign.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Was that the one where he ignored the sign and swung for the fences?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 18, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
It didn't matter, but mentally I was yelling DON'T SWING YOU FUCKER
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Wilson actually grounded into 2 DPs last year
The one you cited wasn’t as awful, because at least the Giants had already scored 2 insurance runs. The Padres game was this one: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SDN/SDN201009100.shtml . Giants had only a 1 run lead and loaded the bases with only 1 out. Wilson hit into an easy double play.
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Wasn't this the clinching game in philly
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Yeah; yeah; that was pretty shitty. But does it count as a brain fart if Wilson is just plain crazy?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s no Roy Halladay.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 18, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Is Timmy’s bar green because, you know, weed?
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That whole chart is an otter pop fun pack.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
The top 6 pitchers by # of quality starts and their corresponding Otter Pop alter egos:
Roy Halladay: Strawberry Short Kook
Big Time Timmy Jim: Sir Isaac Lime
Felix Hernandez: Louie-Bloo Raspberry
Adam Wainwright: Little Orphan Orange
Johan Santana: Alexander The Grape
Pedro Martinez: Poncho Punch
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So this alter-ego of Felix Hernandez also has the initials L.B.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
And the alter ego of Pedro is Poncho. SCIENCE
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
That says 7+ innings, 3- ERs, right. The print is tiny.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m surprised I guess to see Pedro lower than Hernandez and Wainwright….
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Probably because these numbers include Pedro’s decline years in the mid 2000s. Wait ’til Larry Bernandez and Waneright hit their downside.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
totally made a baby during the 2010 World Series.
Significantly better unadjusted numbers than Timothy, and in a tougher park and division.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoops, read that wrong. September 1999. September, dammit.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
0.54 FIP for September. Wow indeed.
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Missed the 3 HBP. So in the neighborhood of 0.7 instead. DNW.
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Except with peak Pedro, I think the HBP were mostly on purpose. Oops, I hit you in the upper arm. With a fastball. Next time you’re up, don’t dangle your upper arm over the plate. I might just hit it in the bruised spot.
One of his HBP was on Knoblauch who at that time had 21 HBP. That’s a shit load of HBP.
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Knoblauch and Biggio were both pretty big on standing in there and taking it
If I remember correctly
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I remember Knoblauch was a fan favorite on the Twins and then a hated member of the Yankees where he forgot how to throw to 1B.
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41 IP, 70K, 4 ER
and August wasn’t too shabby either.
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8.45 K/BB ratio for the entire season
Holy. Fucking. Shit.
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I want to watch a game
Where it’s Pedro Martinez circa 1999 vs. 9 Barry Bonds circa 2004.
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I don't think there is a force inteh history of the universe
that could neutralize 9 2004 Barry Bonds.
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Thanks for this
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by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 18, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing.
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by Cody_ransom on Jul 18, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Late 90s Pedro Martinez
was otherworldly.
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are those commas separating rahter than periods?
was this done by some sort of euro?
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When I think of "Biggest Giant Blunders"...
Zeets’ and Rownads’ contracts leap into my mind.
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Oh my:
Police say Sean Hoare, the whistleblower reporter who alleged widespread hacking at the News of the World, has been found dead.
Holy shit.
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Wow
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Hoare was known to have problems with drugs and alcohol, and the police said that they were not treating the death as a suspicious one, though they did not reveal what caused Hoare to pass away.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Catch me up on this Hoare character.
I’ve been too busy posting on MCC and boning up on behavioral economics to be “aware.”
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not a huge blunder
but sticks to memory because of recent-ness and also lol-ness.
madbum’s missing the bunt sign and tejada consequently being stuck running home and caught in no-man’s land. the look on his face cracked me up at the time…
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on Jul 18, 2011 12:57 PM PDT reply actions
That was Bill Hall
And that was a pretty big blunder lol.
That was the Balk game right?
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by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
To be fair, MadBum took a healthy cut at that pitch.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 12:58 PM PDT reply actions
CARAMEL CAMEL
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GUMMI GROPER
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
SNICKERS SNOGGER
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It’s pretty good. A bit cheesy at times, but pretty good.
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I liked it better than the book.
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It’s that good? I was going to wait for Jr to watch it with me. You tell me this, then I might not wait.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I think I ruined it, and it was on my first try, too. When I saw “Caramel Camel”, i thought we were going with “ ”. Oops.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Peanut Butter only
Caramel no
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
What is wrong with you?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Why would I want to eat something that gets stuck on my teeth?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Wait… so you don’t like caramel at all? This isn’t just a preference of PB Twix?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yup
I don’t like caramel at all.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Dude. How did you become so broken?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
LOL CAL!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Jul 18, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
rec
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
How odd.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I find it significantly more annoying when food gets stuck my molars, but not so much as to find it a deterrent.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Aaron Rowand
Leadoff hitter.
In fact, Rowand and Tejada 1&2 in the lineup.
A boner that is really an anti-boner. After 4 hours, look at that lineup and think about the reasoning behind it.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:00 PM PDT reply actions
Do manager boners count?
The first thing I could think of was Game 4 in 2000 when the Giants had their only rally against the immortal Bobby Jones in the 5th inning with two outs and the bases loaded and they had to hit Mark Gardner because they didn’t have anyone warming up in the bullpen.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
by Aaronstampler on Jul 18, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
All three of these "Brainlocks"
had Bruce Bochy in attendance (he was the Padres manager for Dustin Mohr’s dive and loss).
Coincidence?
If you're in a war, instead of throwing a hand grenade at the enemy, throw one of those small pumpkins. Maybe it'll make everyone think how stupid war is, and while they are thinking, you can throw a real grenade at them.
by WilliamVanLandingham on Jul 18, 2011 1:01 PM PDT reply actions
Dusty Baker giving Russ Ortiz the game ball in 2002
He should choke on a toothpick.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
Til this day...
I still would argue that Felix and Worrell choking had more to do with the loss than pulling Ortiz too early and giving him a ball.
But its a less heated debate now that we won in 2010
What?
“A 2nd pitch? I only know FASTBALL, FASTBALL” – Felix
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Proud Adoptive Parent of one of the best Five Tool Players, The Machine.
to be fair
Dusty killed the bullpen, and a fastball was probably the only thing he could throw without his arm falling off.
Oh God. Yes.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I dont know whether to rec or the flag.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
or to flag*
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
This story is legendary, but...
…Bengie Molina says that the Angel bench never saw the gesture and that it had nothing to do with what happened afterwards. There was no “rally ’round the flag” sentiment in the Angel clubhouse in the immediate aftermath of Ortiz’s departure.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Boners → Ron Jeremy
Ron Jeremy → Hairy Animal
Hairy Animal → Animal House
Animal House → Togas
Togas → Greek
Greek → Zephyr
Zephyrs → NEW ORLEANS ZYPHYRS SCOTT COUSINS AAA BALLCLUB
SCOTT COUSINS IS THE REASON FOR ALL GIANTS BONERS NOHOMO.
by djfivenine on Jul 18, 2011 1:03 PM PDT reply actions 14 recs
Yes!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn you Scott Cousins!
I love these stream of consciousness type things
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
the only reason merkle was starting was that the regular first baseman had a case of lumbago…wow. dont hear that very often.
by Headhunter Rollins on Jul 18, 2011 1:05 PM PDT reply actions
Felipe Alou's failed bunt - 1962 World Series
I’m surprised that I’m the first to mention this, seeing how it was written about pretty extensively in the offseason and into April.
With 1 out in the bottom of the 9th of the 7th game of the 1962 World Series (the Yankess were ahead 1-0), Alou couldn’t get a bunt down to move his litle bro, Matty, from 1st to 2nd base. He struck out for the 2nd out of the inning, then Willie Mays hit a double in RF that Matty Alou didn’t try to score on. Willie Mac, up next, hits a screaming liner to 2B that Bill Richardson catches for the 3rd out and the Yankees’ 20th World Championship title. If Felipe gets a sac bunt down then Matty scores on Mays’s double and the Giants tie the game. Worse case it goes to extra innings.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Yeah, not a brain fart. Just awful execution. That said, the 3B coach should have sent Alou on Mays double. He was way too conservative on that play. Matty certainly would have scored.
I can also think of a bunch of managerial brain farts on choosing starting pitchers in critical games over the years.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
Not so sure of that Roger
Roger Maris had a great arm. The ball did not reach the wall and if you look at the replay it seems like it would have been a very close play at the plate. Plus Matty would ntot have made a dent in Elston Howard if he tried to run him over.
Now of course, had it been Mays on first ….
What people forget about McCovey’s at bat is that he first ripped a ball down the line that ended up several feet foul but had hr distance. One of the great clutch at bats of all-time – and he got nothing but an out for it.
As for starting pitchers – Roger Craig (there is a name theme here somewhere) wins that prize. Hammaker on the road in game seven of ‘87 series. Krukow wanted the ball and from what I’ve read, his teammates wanted him to have it. Atlee was not the strongest cat mentally.
It was the height of conservatism to hold Matty on that play with two outs. Matty was fast and running on the hit with two outs, and while the ball didn’t reach the fence it wasn’t cut off quickly either. The extreme wet grass caused the ball to slow to a crawl, but Maris took a while getting to it. On top of which, three different players were going to have to handle a wet ball perfectly to have any chance of cutting Alou down at the plate.
I was actually sitting in the stands that day and in the 3B grandstand. Of course that was 50 years ago and I was watching with the eyes of a toddler, but my impression at the time was great frustration when the stop sign was put up. I can still see it today: Alou chugging into third with Maris just getting to the ball, his back still turned to the infield and bending over to make the pickup. I just knew it was a tie game. But no. And ever hanging on that precipice of anticipation, it never would be a tie game.
McCovey’s first swing by the way didn’t go “several feet foul” it was foul by 100 feet, way back into the seats. I can see it all.
Hammaker on the road was a bad decision. Obviously Solomon Torres turned out to be a bad decision (though I don’t know that there was a good one to be made). But I’m going to go with Livan over Reuter for Game 7 as the worst of that group.
Memories are
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
The whole WS rotation in 2002 was wrong, setting it up so Livan could start twice and Rueter only once. Dusty got snowed by the fact that Livan had won his starts in the NLDS and NLCS, forgetting that he was clearly the 4th-best starter on the team. The Angels belted him around twice, and that was that.
I totally remember that…
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 18, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I should've read further before posting...
Actually, it wasn’t just Felipe not getting a bunt down. It was also Chuck Hiller. And there was nobody out when Felipe came up.
Bottom of the 9th, Giants Batting, Behind 0-1, Yankees’ Ralph Terry facing 9-1-2
Matty Alou pinch hits for Billy O’Dell (P) batting 9th
b9 0-1 0 —- SFG M. Alou R. Terry -13% 67% Single to 2B/Bunt
b9 0-1 0 1— O SFG F. Alou R. Terry 12% 79% Strikeout
b9 0-1 1 1— O SFG C. Hiller R. Terry 11% 90% Strikeout
b9 0-1 2 1— SFG W. Mays R. Terry -14% 76% Double to RF; Alou to 3B
b9 0-1 2 -23 O SFG W. McCovey R. Terry 24% 100% Lineout: 2B
0 runs, 2 hits, 0 errors, 2 LOB. Yankees 1, Giants 0.
What surprises me is that, as far as I know, Alvin Dark’s decision to call for the bunt has never been called into question. Had the same situation played out last season, I think MCC would’ve gone apoplectic over Bochy ordering bunts. I know I would’ve.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I could go back and "Google" the box score and the original story...
…but I’m too lazy and too busy so I’ll just describe it from memory and then allow others to correct me, if necessary.
During the 2000 NLCS against the Mets, I seem to remember Little Shawnsie Estes — as a baserunner — going into second base on a close play standing up and arriving safely.
A dangerous notion to go into second base that way because it’s dangerous to stop short standing up. You can pull a muscle that way. Or something. The better baserunning tactic is to slide in.
Well, anyway, if I remember correctly, Estes pulled a muscle. Or something. And it HURT. It HURT!
In fact, little Shawnsie was in so much pain that he obligingly rolled off of second base and got himself tagged out. All in all, his actions broke the back of what looked like a promising Giants rally and had the effect of removing Estes, the starting pitcher, from the game early — and I’m sure the Giants lost this game.
I mean; I know that they only won the first game of that 2000 NLCS, the Livan Hernandez game.
But my disclaimers are 1) I may not be remembering this correctly and 2) to the extent that I’ve remembered it correctly, I’m not sure if this ranks as a “brain lock” or just as an example of what pitiful little wussie Shawnsie was. Definitely a “non-gamer” moment.
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 1:11 PM PDT reply actions
From Woody’s Wikipedia page:
For many fans, Rueter’s defining moment as a Giant was his gutsy bullpen performance in Game 2 of the 2000 NLDS, where he relieved starter Shawn Estes after Estes sprained his ankle on a horrible baserunning play. Rueter proved far more effective in relief than Estes did starting.
by paboperfecto on Jul 18, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
A blunder from Giants history, with the Giants on the positive end:
when Neifi Perez scored on an infield fly. It was against the Expos, and Bonds was at the plate with the bases loaded and Neifi on third. Bonds hit a high popup near home plate. The infield fly rule was called, the catcher, the pitcher, and the third baseman were all standing around the plate and the ball dropped in fair territory. The third baseman picked up the ball and stepped on home plate. And then they just stood around talking, or something. Meanwhile, Neifi, for some reason, had been halfway down the line, and he snuck in behind them as they stood around chatting, and he touched the plate and scored.
You're remarkable in a funny way. Or funny in a remarkable way.
Let's see...
If the infield fly is called, then the force is removed. The baserunners can advance at their own risk, but with the force removed, the Expos 3B couldn’t retire Neifi by stepping on home plate; he had to TAG him out. Did I get that right?
by Grizzlie Antagonist on Jul 18, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember the announcers saying that Robinson had to go out to explain the rules to his players when they were arguing with the ump. Article on infield fly rule here that talks about this in depth.
by paboperfecto on Jul 18, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant needs help
mccoveychron McCovey Chronicles
Running out of ideas for my Power Rankings themes, and it’s stressing me the hell out. Does anyone have any good ideas?
Get well Buster Posey
Has there been a ballpark food “specialty” ranking yet?
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Or just the ballpark, if he hasn’t already done that. He could go with something like the ballpark’s signature feature, e.g., the Green Monster at Fenway or either the Crawford Boxes or the train at the Astros Park.
Or ballpark names! Petco? Minute Maid? o.Co?
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Along these lines
Maybe just corporate sponsors / tie ins?
49er 'til I die! (if they don't kill me first)
Or ballpark names! Petco? Minute Maid? o.Co?
That’s actually what I’m working on right now. It’s really, really hard to find a joke for, like, Safeco. It’s what started the whole stress because I’m halfway through and it’s not really good.
Not that that’s stopped me before….
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s really, really hard to find a joke for, like, Safeco.
That’s the in-joke. Safeco. A safe, boring name. Uninspiring, but hard to make fun of. Just like the Mariners. Or something like that.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Or you could just make some sort of feco matter joke.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Bigger loser:
Dodgerdog and Haughtiness Pruno.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Using a clubs minor league teams: most scenic and least scenic tours of America to reach the majors?
Best minor league team names?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
No. ...
But there are way too many that I don’t know.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 18, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
So do the worst [I’m looking at you Yankees and Whitesox] and the best and lump everybody else in the middle.
That team in Florida sucks, too.
HIS NAME IS DAN UGGLA! (wait, not a Marlin)
HIS NAME IS CODY ROSS! (oops)
HIS NAME IS MIKE STANTON (there we go)
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
How about by "Mr. _______"
Rank them by the player who’s best identified with the team (Banks, Williams, Gwynn, Mays, etc.)
Or what about by the ugliest version of their uniform
The thong is, it happened.
Teams as ’80s cartoons.
Teams as youtube covers of The Final Countdown.
Teams ranked by boners.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Teams by most representative player(s) by decade.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You could get like 10 or 12 or so posts out of that if you do each decade separately.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Teams by regional food items?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Worst-looking patriotic hat designs
Alternatively, bad promotions days/giveaways.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
MLB teams ranked by boner
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
BUT I WAS FIRST
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Dang. My apologies.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
MLB teams ranked by SBN blog
I mean, if you really want to stir up some shit.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
yes
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 18, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Teams ranked by local cryptid:
Astros: Chupacabra
Blue Jays: Wendigo
Braves: Altamaha-ha
Brewers: Beast of Bray Road
Cardinals: Beaman
Cubs: Enfield Horror
Marlins: Skunk Ape
Nationals: Goatman
Red Sox: Dover Demon
Tigers: Bessie
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
The whole post would be
HORACE
12 GALAXIES
TRILIOXICIDE
CHROMEO
LIAXITIVE
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 18, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Best player alter ego’s
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jul 18, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
If they don’t all have to be goofy and off the wall you might try using Baseball Prospectus playoff odds as a look at teams just after the break. Otherwise stadium location taking into account view and surrounding business with parking and transportation. Safety of visitors wearing opposing teams uniforms. Rank teams by how long they’ve been around and talk about what they’ve done with that history. AAA team names or AAA records and compare those to big league success over same time period.
by paboperfecto on Jul 18, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
How much Dave Cameraon hates your team.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Teams by Google Image search. Which I’m pretty sure he said was already on his list.
Teams by President when they were created. It would create lots of clumped together groups, though. I would still be entertained, but it may not go over as well with everyone here, because I don’t think any new teams came along when Coolidge was President.
Teams by rhymes for team name and/or city. If this can be done in limerick form, so much the better.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Maybe a GIS of the team name plus “sucks”.
And you could avoid teams having presidents in common by instead ranking them by governor or mayor at the time of creation.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
rank teams by best [worst] bench clearing brawl?
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 18, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Stupidest jumbotron "race?"
The Mets used to have subway cars, I think the Giants have some kind of stupid tie-in with Chevron or something now. I think the A’s just have “dots.” I have never understood those “races,” or why people actually cheer for one animated thingy over another animated thingy.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
They do two: cable cars and chevron cars. They should have the winners of each meet in a world series of stupid promos.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
The other day they did Lou Seals on jet skis (or boats) racing around McCovey Cove
first time I’d seen that
The thong is, it happened.
Regarding Dustan Mohr:
In the bygone days when players and coaches and managers were expected to think, there was actually a name for such plays, the Foul Fly Option: with a man on 3rd and 1 out, you do not catch foul flies. If it’s an easy popup and you’re not far from the plate, that’s another matter; but any ball that might even possibly score the runner is let drop. People used to know that stuff.
Rickey “If I had it to do over, I’d still catch it” Henderson, too.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Bay City Ball: Shopping for Sticks
http://www.baycityball.com/2011/07/18/shopping-for-sticks/
Is it possible that Jamey Carroll could be acquired without over paying? The Brewers could be after him.
Ned Colletti might be affraid of losing his job right now, and helping the hated Giants would piss off whats left of Dodger nation.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb/dodgers/la-sp-simers-20110717,0,750886.column
GiantPain is worrying his new employers by fapping furiously to this post
FURIOUSLY!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Jose Cruz Jr. - 2003 NLDS
Dropped Conine’s Can of Corn in the 11th inning.
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Jul 18, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
LOL NIBLETS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone post this? Jonah Keri chat
3:54
Comment From Romodonkulous
Gonna have to get your thoughts on the two bigger exclusions from Dave Cameron’s Trade Value list: Yunel Escobar and MadBum…
3:56
Jonah Keri: Pitchers are very volatile, and Cameron generally limited the number of pitchers he selected. I would imagine Bumgarner would be number 57 or something. Escobar is a good player signed to a good contract (obviously I like him), but it’s not like he’s a superstar.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He didn’t actually say anything about Bumgarner, so there’s not much to be gotten out of that.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
He didn’t disagree with Cameron. I think that’s at least a little notable.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
yes...'twas I.
42.7% of statistics are made up on-the-spot.
by romodonkulous on Jul 18, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Borders go down the hole?
lol brick and mortar bookstore not named Green Apple
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It's funny
I remember a few years back, the concern was that Borders was going to drive mom n’ pop book stores out of existence.
One day we shall look longingly back at our corporations of yore.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Maybe not. It’d be cool if we could have the two opposite options of cheap convenience of online shopping, and the personal touch and unique experience of a local bookstore. Cutting the hybrid corporate book stores out of the equation would be cool.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I don’t think so.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
OT: I am just waiting for water to break
Kid due any second, scared to drive more than 30 minutes from home, already on leave from work, going nuts.
Last chance for you dads out there to throw out any words of wisdom.
totally made a baby during the 2010 World Series.
I’m not a dad, but please don’t tell your son — at the age of eight — that the two of you will never get along. That tends to sting.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
That’s a terrible girl’s name!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Oh great! You made Roger sad. Now she will never do Minor Lines ever again.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
Then baby headbands are a must.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Baby headbands with auto reload
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Dammit, that would have been awesome.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
LOL THE ACTIVITIES THAT BRING YOU JOY IN LIFE
And your bank account.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t be surprised by the black tar poo.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, you are now obligated to offset the additional carbon you have introduced into the world by murdering someone.
(congrats on your new addition and good luck!)
=)
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Congrats!
If its her first labor it may run a little long. Bring stuff to keep the two of you occupied. Ball Four got us through a few hours of waiting.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
We went to the book store and stocked up on easy to read stuff, are bringing a bunch of Pixar movies and a mlb.tv subscription, and we have set up music playlists based on mood…
totally made a baby during the 2010 World Series.
Nice.
You may feel a little helpless once you get there because there isn’t a whole lot you can do other than be there for her.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Babies are the best. You’ll have a blast.
You could be waiting a while, though. When’s the due date?
And later, black and tarlike.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
My advice is take all advice with a grain of salt
Your child has her own personality and will like things that other babies don’t like. My daughter hated being swaddled and did not proscribed to an early bed time. She’s happy and healthy.
Most of the time, you’ll know what to do and most of the things you worry about is not worth worrying about.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
yep
just relax and make sure you know the whereabouts of your towel.
You’ll need it for lots of wiping
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
DONT LOOK OVER THE CURTAIN!
I hope this reaches you.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
There’s supposed to be a curtain?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
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by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought you might go with the Panda's 48 hr stretch of incompetence
Right around the low-point of the 2010 season, these mistakes (against the Dodgers) still make my stomach hurt.
Here’s the first: http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=9469099
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Watching that Rivera play
I don’t think it was that awful.
Rivera first thought that DeLucci caught the ball (which he should have) and started going back to first. When he realized the ball wasn’t caught, he tried to advance but forgot where he was. He actually realized that he missed the bag and went back to touch it.
He probably should not have gone to third or home though.
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Translation
“It wasn’t that bad, he just happened to make 3-4 terrible mistakes in a span of 20 seconds”
The first six innings are overrated.
I really think he made 2 mistakes. Going to 3rd and home. The other ones were simply a reaction issue.
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Running around 2nd wasn’t a mistake? I think that’s the saddest part of the whole thing.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 18, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think he just lost track of where he was and then realized that he was on the other side of 2nd. He actually went back and tagged up 2nd. He probably shouldn’t have gone to 3rd and definitely shouldn’t have gone home.
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Losing track of where the hell you are on the basepaths is a terrible, terrible mental error.
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The first six innings are overrated.
Reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon. Dogbert is planning for world domination, and is breaking down the population. Dilbert looks over his shoulder and asks “Why are you counting law students as only 3/10 of a person?” Dogbert replies “They don’t drop down to zero until they pass the bar.”
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right but that’s doesn’t make it the “worse” base running error in history. Plenty of guys have lost track of the number of outs in an inning, where they are on the base paths. Other also failed to go back and tag the base like Rivera and then gets called out for missing the bag.
Him going to third was forced upon him because Grissom was already at second. Going home was a complete mistake.
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Running straight by second base when he realized the ball wasn’t caught is about as bad as it gets.
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Again, he probably got lost on where he was and just ran directly toward third. He then realized that he needed to re-tag 2nd base and was going to stop there until he saw Grissom. He was then forced to go to third.
Definitely should not have gone home but had the play ended with Rivera just at 2nd, the play would not as infamous as it is. I would actually put some of the blame on Grissom.
I love Jon but the game would not have been over, at best Rivera gets to third.
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Again, he probably got lost on where he was and just ran directly toward third.
I honestly can’t understand how this excuses the play.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, I get lost about where I am in a new city or something, but on the basepaths there are quite literally four possibilities, with plenty of visual cues to eliminate three of them at a glance.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It doesn’t. I am not saying that he didn’t make a bad play…just not the worse baserunning error in the history of baseball.
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I can't even imagine a worse one, though
Every mistake he made was compounded by another mistake, and even after he got bailed out by dumb luck he managed to add an additional mistake onto that and managed to get himself out at the plate.
The first six innings are overrated.
The run to home was definitely bad but the run to third was forced because Grissom ran to second. Had he not taken off, either or both Grissom and him would have been out.
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I kinda refuse to assign any blame to Grissom for going for a double on a ball that was hit over the head of the RF into triples alley.
I can’t tell by the video but I assume he was a good portion of the way to second already, and coming in fast, around the time Rivera had to double back to tag the base. Should we fault him for assuming Rivera had even an absolute minimum level of competence on the basepads?
Well, maybe.
The first six innings are overrated.
Each individual mistake he made was basically explainable! So all of them together isn’t so bad.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you name a worse play, though?
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Recent Giants history probably not so the discussion is a little pointless. I think the play was made a lot worse by Jon’s fantastic call and comments.
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The Renteria fly into double play last year with Sandoval (and I KNOW rent was thinking the same thing)
How many bad decisions were made on the play?
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, I remember Freddy’s baserunning errors in the first game of the WS…I think there were two complete head scratchers.
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He got too big of a start off of second and then the ball was caught, he slipped and fell trying to get back to second.
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I think there was two but the ball in question was an easy fly ball to right. I believe that he had rounded 2nd and slipped on his way back to first.
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But that’s what were talking about isn’t it? His brain locked up and forgot where he was and the whole play was certainly one of the most cringe worthy. I imagine from Miller’s seat just looking at the play was horrific especially when he had to essentially had to run an extra base worth of distance just so he could make some forward progress.
I think it’s funny that you think this wasn’t that bad.
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Listen, he only reacted poorly two or three times, and he only made a couple of bad decisions on top of that. Give him a break.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Delucci should have caught that ball. His miss is hard to see from a guy rounding 2nd and looking behind him.
The cut across 2nd was bad but he recovered by going back. Grissom forced him to go to third. The dash toward home was definitely bad.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions
What about that one in the 2010 NLDS (NLCS?)
I think in Atlanta, where there were 3 fielders standing around an infield popup that just watched it fall because no one wanted to take responsibility for it despite the ball being in the air for seemingly 10 minutes? That was highly embarrassing, so much so that I blocked the memory of all involved except for Fontenot.
Was it the same series where Panda ran into Buster?
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by slackersphere17 on Jul 18, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
An oldie but a bonie
I remember this one from ’86 when rookies Robbie Thompson and Jose Uribe collided with each other on an infield pop-up that let the Mets walk off with an extra inning win. That was a crazy game with lots of lead changes. Giants looked like they had it won when Thompson hit a home run in the top of the 10th. Was not to be…
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But can he 4-3 like a major leaguer?
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The Nacogdoches, Texas native has been a force for Fresno during both of his stints with the Grizzlies this season. He is batting .333 (46-for-138) with 11 doubles, seven home runs, 29 runs scored and 29 RBI in just 42 games in Triple-A this year. His .469 on-base percentage would be tops in the PCL, if he had enough bats to qualify. The 23-year-old entered the 2011 season as the top-rated prospect in the San Francisco Giants farm system, according to Baseball America.
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Meant for this to be my subject line:
The Pacific Coast League announced today that Fresno Grizzlies infielder Brandon Belt has been honored as PCL Player of the Week for July 14-17.
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by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
This only brings up the question that everybody has been thinking for ages.
Why hasn’t he been brought up!
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A couple of possibilities
1) Giants still want to use Belt as a potential trade chip and thus keeping him in the minors maximize his value.
2) There is something that Belt or Decker is telling Sabean that shows that Belt is still working on something. Belt was struggling mightily against lefties before he was called up. Belt also had a hot start when he first got demoted and then cooled off.
3) Sabean/Giants are waiting for the trade deadline to see what piece they are going to pick up. The most important thing (assuming Giants will win the NL West) is to bring him up before September 1.
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I think that the Occam’s Razor here is that there isn’t room for him to play regularly in the outfield, and the team isn’t willing to bench Huff frequently enough to justify having him up here right now.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably.
But also, once a player has seen major-league pitching for more than a game or two, big AAA numbers usually mean rather less than when he is still on the way up.
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Tim's was the stupidest because he has no excuse.
And it was the WS.
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But he got out of it. I think consequences, as part of context, inevitably factor in.
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So your vote is for Mohr, since the Giants lost that game.
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Nope! I haven’t made up my mind.
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It is a really bizarre feeling to sense this gaping opening in one’s array of teeth (fortunately, the tooth had some while back been root-canaled, so no actual pain.)
Thank you, Mr. Dental Expert. I do so wish there was more than one dentist in town . . . .
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Is he also the mechanic and the sheriff?
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The first six innings are overrated.
Nah.
There is actually a city Police Chief, though I am not in the “city” (est. pop. 1700), so deal with the sheriff’s department for law enforcement. And there are actually two or three auto shops in town. But only three doctors (which is one more than till very recently, but that’s a long and unpleasant story).
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I don’t look forward to the days that my crowns come out. I still have tooth in there with both of them.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
anything with Brian giles
it felt like he got 4 hit games against us everyday
by Anonymous1337 on Jul 18, 2011 3:40 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I might nominate a couple of those faceplants Huff made in the outfield back in April
since his general ineptitude in the OF seems to be the reason Belt is still in Fresno.
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Belt's performance and Ross coming back off the DL were a bigger part of it
Huff clearly wasn’t going to get benched, and I don’t quite remember who else would have gotten sent down to make room for Ross.
The first six innings are overrated.
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I still have zero clue what Hector Sanchez is doing on this team.
The first six innings are overrated.
Hmm.
This sounds familiar.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 18, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
The only thing I could think of is that he gives you the flexibility to pinch hit for one weak hitting catcher early in the game without worry of having no back up to the other weak hitting catcher.
The problem with this strategy is that then you are using three roster spots on weak-hitting catchers, so you most likely don’t actually have any good hitters available to pinch-hit for the weak-hitting catchers.
I think they consider Sanchez one of the available pinch-hitters.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, that's about it.
HSanchez is probably, as a LHB, close to as good as it gets on that bench. He is awfully raw, and can be struck out, but he looks like he will crush any mistake. His non-K AB was a GDP, but on a pretty hard smash down the 3B line. Not any real answer, but a plug-in for now (probably gone as soon as Belt is judged ready, which bodes well for Belt’s return time).
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Plus, he gives them the added flexibility of being a switch hitter
Which is nice if you’re there to PH
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Too bad Belt is on the DL.
Oh wait.
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It makes no sense at all
I am not exaggerating when I say that if I owned a team, I would fire my GM if there were ever three catchers on the 25-man roster.
Would you rather Brandon Belt were on the team not getting any at bats? Admittedly, Sanchez is still an odd choice for the role, but I’ll pick and choose my battles.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
If they just want a random bat on the bench, why not Pill? He’s a better hitter than Hector, and as a bonus is not really a prospect, so who cares if he gets ABs? And in a pinch he could “play” second base.
Well, I don’t know what role they want him to fill, and I’m not denying there are better choices for the role that he is, as of now, fulfilling.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Not on the 40-man.
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He had to be placed on it after this season anyways
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by say hey nation on Jul 18, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but I have a hard time believing that’s the only other option and don’t see how Sanchez was the best choice to call up just to sit on the bench and sometimes PH.
The first six innings are overrated.
Admittedly, Sanchez is still an odd choice for the role
I didn’t say he was the best choice. I’m just happy he’s not Belt.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Mets “We want a major league level young bat for Beltran”
Sabean “Hector Sanchez is major league leveled”
Mets “No he’s not”
Sabean “He is…..now.”
by djfivenine on Jul 18, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
/sunglasses
YEAHHHHHH
The first six innings are overrated.
LOL STAMOS
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Easiest way to answer that question: Is Rowand starting over Torres?
But, no… it’s not a platoon… no, nothing like that… nothing at all like that….
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m okay with Tejada over Crawford.
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Tejada vs. RHP this year: wRC+ 55
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Plus
I’d much rather watch a young player struggle to figure it out (and play great defense) than a washed up dude in denial about his present value to the team.
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What, you do not enjoy
seeing a middle aged (?) man crawling on all fours on the grass?
Needs to . . .
. . . play Whiteside instead, and ideally interchange Fontenot and Tejada at positions. Otherwise, probably as good as it gets right now. Does Bochy really not grasp the huge difference in offensive output between Whiteside and Stewart? Or how really awful Tejada is at SS?
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Wow, Noonan? I know Lofgren’s a spot start. Any injurys? RT @ellenfool: Noonan & Lofgren promoted to AAA. I like this.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Lofgren is making one start and then heading straight back to San Jose. I think it’s because Fresno only has 4 starters right now, but I’m assuming the plan is for Josh Banks to come of the DL in time for his next start in 5 days or whatever.
I don’t know what’s up with Noonan. They’re sending Lormand back to AA. They’re sort of interchangeable, right? I don’t really see the point.
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It's cool when the stats match the eye-ball-test.
Miguel Tejada in
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medium: wRC+ 58
high (which includes the “double” vs. the Cards): wRC+ 2
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LOL. What is his actual line for high leverage situations?
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Wait, but I thought
every plate appearance is a blank slate and the only thing we can use to understand the game were large sample sizes, preferrably over 3+ seasons.
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I didn’t say they were predictive, just that the stats match the eyes.
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See this is why stats
are not compelling.
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Because they can’t, with any reliable accuracy, tell you what you really want to know, which is WHICH GUY SHOULD PLAY TODAY?
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Except that they can.
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We already have lots of disagreement about Tejada vs Crawford for today’s game, something that no one was seriously wondering about a week ago. What changed during that SSS?
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There’s been disagreement regarding Crawford since he came up.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Not really.
Mostly every one has been in agreement than Crawford needs to start ahead of Tejada. The disagreement is if Crawford should start over Fontenot or should we trade for a SS because Crawford sucks.
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But there has been very little disagreement that Tejada is awful. He’s gotten better since his job was threatened, but I’m still not confident in him, especially in the field.
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I still think that to this team Crawfords defense is worth more than what tejada provides offensively
I’d rather have all-glove Crawford then falljada at short
That is based . . .
. . . on Tejada playing SS. At 2B, his shortcomings are less crucial and his finally emerging bat plays tolerably. A great number of this team’s “problems” derive from its manager’s strange ideas about who can and can’t do what with bat or glove.
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Aha, so you do think Crawford is better than Burriss.
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Well of course he is. Neither of them can hit, but Crawford is an excellent SS, while Burriss is a mediocre second baseman.
Yeah, but for some reason, owlcroft is not offering an opinion on this. Probably not enough data or something.
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No, no--just overlooked it.
Manny Burriss is very easy to forget. When he’s not on the field. When he is, he’s very hard not to forget. He has no use whatever to a self-respecting major-league club except as a sort of fourth-level fallback when extensive injury conditions obtain.
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Thats a little harsh.
He’s pretty terrible, but not the worst player ever. He has speed and once in a while he makes a great play. He can also play the whole infield (not well, but he can).
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yes I can deal with Tejada at 2B but only if crawford or frodo is at short, but bork is now reinstalling tejada back at short. I would much rather see crawford at shot if he is on the team. if not send him back to fresno. but tejada IMO costs us runs at shortstop that I dont think he can make up for with his bat
Understood.
It is sad when fans have to adjust their ideas and discussions to the reality that their manager will screw up the obvious.
If he were to play Tejada at 2B, I think I’d rather have Fontenot at SS and Crawford in Fresno. The Mighty Atom has a fair-to-passable glove, but a pretty reasonable middle-infield bat. Crawford needs to get some more play time without the high pressure of a serious pennant chase to develop his batting and polish his occasionally clanky glove (a surprise in a guy with his rep and obvious tools).
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I agree with this
But that’s a big if when bork is making the decisions
There are no guarantees
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
that thing you are rubbing
is not a lamp.
it appreciates the effort, tho’
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
I like both, too,
but the problem is there’s no way to actually test for accuracy for either method, since going back in time and replaying with a different lineup is not an option.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
As with any type of analysis that leads to decision
You take what you know and make your best decision. Things don’t always happen as they should. The world would be a boring place if it did. It would be even more boring than Howie.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL, howie isn't the most boring person around here by a long shot!
As a fan, for me it comes down to “who would I rather watch?” but I don’t want the Giants brass using that method.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
More fun with SSS split stats.
Crawford with
no one on: wRC+ 0
Men on Base: wRC+ 99
w/ RISP: +108
Just get a man on in front of him and he’s good to go!
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
The Giants aren't a great team for him to be on, then
He should be playing for the Red Sox or something.
OT: Funniest thing I've seen all day
From “The Franchise” cutting room floor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X37EzJnuntk
Atta babe, good pick.
COPYCAT! I posted this on The Franchise thread.
It deserves to be posted again though.
Rally Jerry!
oh my bad didn't see it.
Atta babe, good pick.
You should check out Kyle's channel on Youtube!
His videos are hilarious.
Rally Jerry!
I've seen this posted 3 times now
it went from being hilarious to depressingly hilarious
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 18, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
That guy was annoying
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
You should look for some more funny stuff.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL REDDICK!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:19 PM PDT reply actions
Everyone else sucks?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
All our good hitters from last year are washed up or old
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Meant to say washed up or injured
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Regular playing time?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
"How’d that happen?"
Regular playing time.
We still have to see if the pixie dust clings or brushes off over time, but it’s nice while it’s still glowing.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Understood.
But I wanted to get the pixie-dust reference in.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I think the next person in line to get optioned is Hector Sanchez or Chris Stewart.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Although I guess if Mark DeRosa is healthy.
Crawford would get sent down, since Bochy doesn’t seem to want to use him as a defensive replacement.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I have a raging clue that Tejada is back to being the starter. If Crawdaddy is not starting, should he be there as a defensive replacement?
I meant with the “defensive replacement” thing as in every time Tejada starts, he finishes. It’s weird how quick he’ll pull PtB, but in a 1 run game in the 9th, Tejada stays in at SS, even tho our closer gets a decent amount of GB (and there are generally men on).
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
was I the only person the other night hoping that Tehaha got hurt on that one play he was holding his leg?
so he couldn’t play short for a while I am really sick of him falling down after one step in either direction
I agree...
I was more thinking in terms of the idea that it is not great for Crawford’s development (having never even played in AAA) to be a late inning defensive replacement (assuming Bochy would put him in). The fact that he is neither starting nor a late-inning replacement sort of answers my question hence why I think he is not destined to be in San Francsico for long.
If he’s not gonna play, he should be in Fresno, same as Belt.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
This
I would love to see them both playing up in SF right now but if this is how Crawford is going to be used now you might as well send him down to Fresno so he could get consistent AB’s. I am still puzzled by the Sanchez decision
Dustan Mohr?
I actually get a chance to be live in a thread during the day and the subject is Dustan Mohr? Isn’t it like a Dodger game day or something?
Finally a signature worth having:
Fan of the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
This is what happens when the Dodgers are irrelevant.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Beat LA...
Off to the yard, then late dinner @ Heaven’s Dog. We haven’t been before.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
just got back after donating blood
waiting for the LOLINEUP
Look upthread.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
thanks
but after seeing the lineup I wish I hadn’t
LOLBRANDON
PANIK!
Beltran not in the lineup tonight.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:28 PM PDT reply actions
Rolled up in bubble wrap.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
He;s Just waiting for Fedex to pick him at Citi Field.
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
Tejada is starting because this team needs more guys that fall down when fielding routine grounders
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 4:34 PM PDT reply actions
DeRosa moving on up
JaymeeSireCSN Jaymee Sire
Just spoke with Mark DeRosa in clubhouse. Said he was “pleasantly surprised” with his 2 rehab starts with San Jose. Fresno is next.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Better than the Font Not?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
A healthy-ish DeRosa probably still better than Burris.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
DeRosa needs to hit pretty well to be a useful player, actually, because he is not very good defensively, at least on the infield.
I don't have details, but . . .
. . . my impression was that he was a fine glove at 2B, good glove at 3B, passable if needed at SS. Also usable in the OF corners, especially LF.
Hmm . . . baseball-reference.com’s “Rtot/yr” has him a hair above average at 3B and SS, a hair below at 3B, good in RF, poor in LF, and terrible at 1B. FanGraphs’ UZR/150 suggests he is a hair under average at 2B, a little worse at 3B, nearly average at SS and in LF, quite superior in RF, and dreadful at 1B.
My take, then, is that at 2B, SS, or 3B he is essentially average (and he has about 830 innings played at SS). With his bat, he’d be the team’s best second baseman (use Fontenot at SS and Hall to back up).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
That overrates him quite a bit
My read of the stats is that he has been very slightly below average at second or third (and that was all at least two years ago), which means he’s very unlikely to be close to average at SS. He’s average or better at 1B or one of the corner outfield spots, but the Giants don’t have a pressing need for somebody to play there.
If he can hit at something close to his career level, he probably is the best second base option, but that still leaves either bad defense (Fontenot, Tejada) or bad offense (Crawford) at SS.
Well . . .
. . . that does not seem to be what the defensive metrics say. When I pooh-pooh them around here, everyone calls me a dinosaur; when I quote them, it now seems everyone else wants to pooh-pooh them. That doesn’t seem quite to make sense.
Two apparently rather different defensive metrics seem to agree that at SS he is within spitting distance of dead average (one has him up, one down). To me, that signifies that till he clearly demonstrates otherwise (all this assuming current health), he could fill in once a week or so without its being a problem.
The case seems much the same at 2B, and at least passable if not average at 3B. I would not try him in the OF, much less at 1B, save in dire emergency.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I pooh-pooh SSS defensive metrics
Since 2002, the first year for which we have DRS and UZR, DeRosa has played a total of 423 innings at SS. Defensive stats for that size sample (1/3 of a season) are essentially meaningless. OTOH he’s played 2000 or so innings at both 2B and 3B over that time, and DSR and UZR both have him between -3 and -7 over a full season at either position. That’s a little below average (tolerable, if he hits) and translates to pretty terrible (Tejadian, if you will) at SS, but he’d probably be at least average at first if there were a reason to have him play there.
I don't know where that comes from.
The respective De Rosa pages from BBref and FanGraphs are as linked here; each shows not only the totals given (as innings played) but an Rtot (BBref) and a UZR (FanGraphs) figure for each season making up the totals.
Posn BBref FanGr 2B 2287.2 2287.2 SS 829.2 829.1 3B 2474.0 2474.0
What do you have that’s different?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
But if you look at the fangraphs numbers for SS, you see that they begin in 2002. So the 354 innings from 2001 and the 51 innings before that were not used in calculating UZR. Take out those and you’re left with only 423.1 innings.
Even the 829 innings would be a small sample at about 2/3 of a season, but 423 is just not anything.
Aha.
It is FG’s wonderful idea of data presentation to show 423.1 innings’ worth of data then show 829.1 as their total. Makes me love them all the more.
On the other hand, BBref’s number does go all the way back, at least in their listings. And their annualized figure, Rtot/yr, is 3 runs for him as a SS.
I certainly have no brief for defense metrics; but what there are do all seem to show the same result: average fileder in the middle/left infield. What is the counter-argument other than “but then we really don’t know anything at all”?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Even if you throw in the additional 400 innings, 2/3 of a season all compiled when he was in his 20s doesn’t tell you anything useful. It’s the equivalent of two months of at-bats. By contrast, the data at second and third are roughly two seasons’ each — enough that we can at least reach some tentative conclusions, especially since, in this case, between 2B and 3B and between DRS and UZR, they agree with each other almost perfectly.
I don’t have a major beef if you want to call him an average second baseman, even though the stats suggest he’s actually a bit below average — and he’s significantly older now than he was when he compiled them. But even if we call him an average second baseman, that means he’s probably -10 at SS. He might be able to play it as well as Tejada can, but no way is he close to average.
Rule of thumb: Players who are capable of playing a decent shortstop do, in fact, get plenty of innings shortstop, as long as they can hit even a little.
DeRosa’s innings at shortstop, year-by-year over the last decade:
354
139
100
50
83
42
8
1
0
0
0
Insert clever remark about thumbs.
When a man is not the starter but a utility player, how much play he gets at one position will affect how much he gets at another. And if he is a starter somewhere, he won’t get much time at other spots. So such numbers in isolation seem rather empty.
I don’t insist that he is a great SS today; he never was but average. I do believe it likely that his skills are still such that used once a week or so to give whoever is the regular some rest, he would not cost much on defense, and would actually add a little on offense. If he can’t, then he can’t; but I don’t think it’s obvious till there are some data. My Heavens, they’re playing Tejada out there all the time.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Good for DeRosa!
I thought it was a season ending injury.
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
You mean life-ending
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Is this the same as the four other times he said he is healthy and ready to contribute, only to have his wrist explode from holding a bat?
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Well, he has been both batting and fielding.
Early days yet, I’d say, but remarkably hopeful signs.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I learned something important today
All of this bitching at Dave Cameron has made me appreciate Madison Bumgarner even more. He is a very special pitcher.
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
OT #1: I promise not to attend any more Giants games this season.
In fact, the last three times I saw them in person:
RICK ANKIEL – NLDS, Game 2
LINCECUM WALKATHON – 4/23 vs. ATL
BARRY ZITO – 7/16 vs. SD
- OT #2:
Single-malt scotch recommendations? Need to impress with a thank you gift.
Scotch
Is this somebody who drinks a lot of malt and is already well familiar with the standard bottlings, or just somebody who likes a Glen Livet now and again?
Familiar with standard bottlings.
But I’m basing that on my perception of his income from his long-standing career.
That's definitely harder
For after-dinner type scotch, the Murray McDavid bottlings are interesting and mostly cost around $75 or so. That guy sources used wine barrels from fancy French wineries (eg first-growth Bordeaux) and then ages scotch in them. I recently gave a friend a gift of 13-year-old Bunnahabhain aged in Chateau Lafite barrels, and it seemed to be very well received. The chap at Cask also had high praise for a similar Laphroaig, but I’m biased against Laphroaig so I gave that one a miss.
Yet another reason to love Ryan Vogelsong
by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 18, 2011 5:05 PM PDT reply actions
This has always been my favorite reason to love Vogelsong.
The first six innings are overrated.
Fantastic!
Some Dodger fan idiot said they were going to Vogelbomb him today… douches
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
Not sure I trust such a simplistic toy.
(And I did well on it: no sour grapes.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
wow gonna need some ice for that BURN
…Not really
Someone call the ambulance .Vogelsong just got BURNED.
Sarcasm is fun.
Rally Jerry!
Roger I have two tixs to the next Tuesday game in Philly
Let me know if your interested.
Kickham where it hurts
We no Rudolph the Rwed Nose Reindeer.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Jul 18, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not clicking on all of those boxes
"I never stop being amazed by how much people who hate stats because they’re "flawed" quote so much more obviously flawed stats. " -Joe Posnanski
by RichHerreraHomer on Jul 18, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
How does BOOribe feel playing on this joke of a team, and franchise?
Follow me on Twitter @MTLJosh
by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 18, 2011 5:32 PM PDT reply actions
There's a guy on the WSOP right now
Wearing a Timmy jersey and Giants hat
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
they've finally made it
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 18, 2011 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I nominate Eugenio Velez
No particular play. Just Eugenio in general. His entire Giants career was a brain fart.
This.
Follow me on Twitter @MTLJosh
by Montreal Giants Fan on Jul 18, 2011 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Is McCovey's in Walnut Creek cool?
I was thinking of watching the game there tonight.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
Yeah, we have meetups there occasionally. It’s a decent place.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Food fairly average
Nice bar and great atmosphere.
I’ve had several things there. The burgers aren’t bad. I’ve never had a salad there that I liked.
Thanks for the info...
we’re probably eating dinner at home then maybe going out there for drinks.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Jul 18, 2011 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah man I thought this looked kinda cool
The Dark Tower is dead…and no one is surprised.
Universal has officially closed the book on its ambitious three-movie and TV series adaptation of Stephen King’s fantasy Western from Imagine Entertainment, writer Akiva Goldsman and director Ron Howard.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dark-tower-crumbles-as-universal-212572
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
bah
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
hey kids
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
B-B-B-BENNY AND THE JETS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions
How is Russian River?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It’s awesome. I only just got here. There were tons of Burma Shave signs on River Road!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Cool. How did you feel about your interview?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I think it went really, really well (like, I felt the best after it out of all the interviews I’ve had so far), but who knows at this point.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
A preliminary congrats, then! I think if I were you, I’d celebrate with a visit to Russian River Brewing (I’ve never been and it’s high on my bucket list).
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
HeLOLton
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 6:05 PM PDT reply actions
the trop is such a shithole
Game delayed due to the lights going out
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Jul 18, 2011 6:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I know it's the homer broadcast
But PHI Broadcasters saying Halladay is struggling because it’s really hot and making it harder for Roy to breath, thus making him more tired. lol!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
people make that argument about tim
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
Heh
Guess Cy Young winners don’t like the heat.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I really want a Giants-Rays WS
to watch Giants fans take over The Trop like no one’s business
Proud adopted parent of Miguel Tejada. No rings, but dude won the AL MVP once.
I’d rather face a clearly evil team. I’d like to see the rays win it sometime soon, because fuck the Yankees and sox
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Jul 18, 2011 6:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately, the clearly evil teams in the AL are fuckin' good
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jul 18, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Damn
Just read a bunch of the dodger thread about Vogelbomb. Angry people. They sure have a bizarre obsession about discussing brian stow and making fun of the fact that they arent making fun of it…
Also, our evil comments are obviously less evil because A)we are on the side of good and B)our team is winning. if it were reversed I’m sure our cute and funny BEATLA comments would be just as mean and evil… Pandouche?
by projectmayhem713 on Jul 18, 2011 6:13 PM PDT reply actions
LOLORADO
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 6:19 PM PDT reply actions
LOLORADO!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Woo!
Got my Hinske HR Badge :P
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions
wow Protip: don't read the comments on andy's blog
I think I just lost a few IQ points listening to some of those comments
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