Post-game thread: Giants out-Padre Padres again
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 17, 2011 5:19 PM PDT
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PrintIt's not fun to watch your team get run on without mercy. It is fun to watch your team do the running. When Manny Burriss wins a game with his legs, the other team is probably feeling a tinge of regret. There are a lot of thoughts going through the mind of Bud Black right now.
"Wait, how did Manny Burriss get on base?"
"Wait, Manny Burriss is back in the majors?"
"Wait, Kyle Phillips is back in the majors?"
"Wait, this game came down to a Chad Qualls/Manny Burriss/Kyle Phillips three-way showdown?"
"Wait, lemme check my 401k. These teams are annoying."
But the game was won with Burriss's legs, Stewart's bunty goodness and strong arm, and Kyle Phillips running like Bengie Molina on codeine. If that's a recipe for success, it's a recipe that includes brussel sprouts, polenta, and vinegar-marinated pieces of paper from a three-hole punch. Glad it was tasty. Don't count on it working again. But, dang, that really was delicious. Seriously, though, don't count it.
Not that you care, but there's only been one mention of "suicide squeeze" in an article on the front page here -- in a post-Alou, pre-Bochy article on the active managerial search, no less. It doesn't have anything to do with today, really, but it's interesting to remember that Stan Javier was once being bandied about as a potential manager. So was Bud Black and Robby Thompson, Lou Pinella and Joe Girardi. Weird.
That dearth of squeeze talk is because Bochy isn't much of a squeezer. For as much crap as he gets for his weird lineups and beliefs as to what makes a good hitter, he really has the not-giving-up-outs philosophy down. He's pretty good there. When asked why he doesn't but more, he cites the numbers. It's really cool, actually.
But when you're playing the Padres in San Diego, and a slappy hitter just poked a single into center field before advancing to third on a stolen base and an error, you probably feel like you're in a dream. Wait, I've seen this before! This is how games are won here! Then you have to search your brain for the most padresy way to win. Suicide squeeze. So annoying. We also would have accepted a sacrifice fly in foul territory, but you can't just call for one of those. If you want to be proactive and padresy, call for the squeeze.
A three-of-four series sounds so, so, so much better than a split. Before the series -- before any series with the Padres -- I would have been okay with a split. But a series win on the road against a team that previously seemed like a wizard-employing nemesis is beautiful.
The downside to the game, if you want to quibble, is that Brian Wilson isn't the same guy as last year. When Wilson was in the minors, he couldn't throw strikes. The year he was called up for good, 2007, he walked 24 batters in 37 innings between A and AAA. When he became the full-time closer for the Giants, he still had a tough time throwing strikes, walking four hitters for every nine innings he pitched.
The difference between Brian Wilson, mediocre closer, and Brian Wilson, somewhat-elite closer, is his command. His walk rates dropped from 2007 to 2010, and while it still wasn't a good walk rate last year, it was somewhat manageable. When I read this article last year, I figured that Wilson benefited from a wide zone, but that was because he could command pitches enough to nibble. It was part of his game.
Now I'm thinking that Wilson just has trouble throwing strikes, has always had trouble throwing strikes, and was a little lucky last year. If I were a manager, I'd punish a closer for walking a leadoff hitter in a one-run game. Possibly by shaving his eyebrows, possibly by giving another reliever the save opportunity the next time one came up. It's inexcusable for a closer to do that, especially against the Padres in Petco Park.
Again, that's some serious quibblin' after a great win. Here's hoping Wilson finds what he's lost. That is, if he lost something in the first place.
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The Padres have shown me that there is a catcher worse than Stewart
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Not sure what you mean
Stewart has looked decent defensively. I’ve even seen Buster quoted as saying he wants to get tips from Stewart about the transfer and quick throw.
Stewart had a couple of overthrows in past games
Our nattering nabobs of negativity have fastened on those.
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He is also a terrible hitter.
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by GiantPain on Jul 17, 2011 7:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
However
His SB (Squeeze bunting) is off the charts.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the weird distribution:
First he threw out every would-be stealer, then he threw out none (or something close to those). His overall for 2011 is 16-8 (33%), close—because a large part of—his career 35% rate. Roughly speaking, the average throwout rate is one-quarter, and Stewart is one-third, which is pretty good though not quite send-a-telegram level (that’s probably 40% or more).
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Concurred,
I do’t have a problem with Stewart’s defense, Eli on the other hand. I had been Eli’s biggest critic. Then suddenly, I didn’t mind his defense when his offense started to surge wit a .250 BA. Then the PB today that possibly cost Matt a “W”. I didn’t see the game, so I don’t know how bad it was, but it didn’t sound good.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Only partly his fault.
First (as you may already know), it wasn’t a “passed ball” in the usual sense. It was a swinging strike that Whiteside caught; but the issue was whether he caught it off the bat or on a skip. He claimed that he caught it on the fly for the out, but the umpire said no. What he should have done, of course, was immediately throw to first and put the batter out by, oh, maybe 30 feet. Instead, he stood there arguing before finally, at the last possible moment, whirling and firing. That’s the part that is his fault, the delay in throwing that made a close play at first. (And the ball did hit the dirt, no doubt of it.)
The real fuckup was that, though the batter-runner was (on repeated replays) very clearly out—4 to 6 inches easily—the first-base umpire called him safe. Bochy came out to argue, but I’d guess he was arguing the catch at home, not the play at first, for which a meeting of the umps—has they decided to undertake one—might have produced a correct result.
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Thanks.
I only had the gamecast update and couldn’t tell for sure what happened. At that juncture of the game, the play looked sort of harmless because Matt looked so good, then the hit batter and then Hudson’s hit cashed in the mistake. Bottom line, wile it looked harmless, we Giant fans realize that “of course”, that type of bullshit always leads to the difference in the game. Hopefully Eli learns from his mistake and improves. It does appear he is improving to the point that I’m not interested in pursuing another catcher unless we can get a significant upgrade without much cost. That is unrealistic.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
In 50 years or so of watching baseball...
I have NEVER seen a meeting of the umps change a out safe call on a question of whether a thrwo beat the runner to first. OTOH I HAVE seen calls overturned on whether a foul ball hit the dirt on strike three etc. No way McClelland gets overturned. Whiteside monumentally fucked up and it cost Cain a win.
I . . .
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
it’s in the top ten of dumb plays I’ve seen this year.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
It seems to happen.
It is far from the first time that an outraged player jawing with an umpire has forgotten that time isn’t out and the game is proceeding. I guess they just get so hot about the perceived injustice.
But be fair: he did get rid of the ball in adequate time. That Mr. McClellan then screwed the call is not Whiteside’s fault.
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I still can’t figure out what the hell he was thinking. The only thing that makes sense is if he maybe thought the umpire had ruled it a foul tip or something. Because otherwise, it was just an inexcusably stupid play.
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Stewart's throw out rate
Closer to 45%. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=stewar002chr
His ML numbers might be around 33% but you are looking at small sample size. Take away two games where he was obvioiusly off and he’s looking at a 45% rate this year.
by HungryHunter on Jul 17, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
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I don’t get why the Padres would sac bunt when Wilson can’t find the zone
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by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
An excellent point
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
mlb.tv always has his postgame interviews
I feel like they are a parody of an arrogant, dipshit, MLB manager. He really comes across, to me at least, as a turd burglar.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably expected that his player
wouldn’t bunt at the ball if it is out of the zone.
Also, he risks the double play if he doesn’t bunt, ironically it got it anyway.
I don’t know why any of the Padres hitters swung at all, Wilson wasn’t finding the zone and was missing very badly.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitching to the score AND contact!
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Mentally tough!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t watch the game, but on the radio Jon Miller made it sound like a number of knee high strikes were called balls and that the tight zone threw Wilson off. I’m not making excuses, but if you’ve got command and you’re just getting umped (umpired?), I can see how it would affect your concentration. Discuss.
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by LeMasterBlaster on Jul 17, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Not just this game though
Wilson has been struggling with his control for stretches all season.
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by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
When . . .
. . . you’ve been watching the game intently for many innings, you should know what the umpire’s zone is and throw to it. Yes, that makes it more difficult, but Wilson’s body language made it plain that he felt he was being “cheated” on many pitches. That does no good, either with the umpire or with Wilson’s own head.
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This is literally just not true
There is ONE strike there that was called a ball. One other that is close. The rest were all pretty clear balls.
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He had more balls called strikes than strikes called balls
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Just as I posted in the GDT.
Chad Qualls can suck it. So can Brian Wilson.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
They were trying to out-Padre us
but we have figured out how to beat those little bastards at their own game….5 out of the last 6? Nicely done.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
Wait until he shows he can at least get a guy into a 2 strike count.
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Should they DL Wilson?
He hasn’t seemed right for any stretch this year, and he seems to have gotten worse lately.
Infection in his beard
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by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Mange ?
On this club?
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Could say his elbow flared up
Or maybe an acute case of boneits. Beard virus works too.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 17, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Osteoitis
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Maybe
He has been worked way heavy, as has most of the pen, cept say Romo.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 17, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
he’s been awful in July for sure, but I’d disagree pretty strongly with that “hasn’t seemed right for any stretch part.” Wilson was pretty excellent in May and June. The wheels have come off a bit this month.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson from April to May (I removed the first two games in April, since I already know you’ll object to their inclusion): 22.2 IP, 1.59 ERA, 24 K, 12 BB (and 1 HBP), 0 HR allowed. That is an alarming BB/9.
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And his best – best – BB/9 in any month was 3.86 in June, which isn’t very good, especially considering his SO/9 dropped to 7.1 in that time.
He’s just not that great this year.
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Wilson
. G ERA WHIP FIP K/9 BB/9
Apr6-Apr24 8 9.82 1.77 2.80 9.82 6.14
Apr26-Jun28 29 0.61 1.21 2.67 9.00 3.86
Jun30-Jul17 8 5.87 2.09 6.46 8.22 5.87
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Wow Apr26 to Jun28 Wilson OWNS FACE
Wtf happened to him in July? Prob partying too much.
Probably used too much.
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He was effective, but not dominant
That’s what worries me.
by Gitaroo_Dude on Jul 17, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
a 1.21 WHIP was lucky? That’s pretty decent I think.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s decent, but not great. Of course, he’s always had a slightly higher WHIP than you’d probably like.
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I don’t think the team would ever seriously contemplate dealing Wilson unless he shows he can’t get it done in big moments. Maybe it doesn’t mean much to MCC because everyone is always in “turn the page” mode here, but I think the team’s brass is pretty fond of his work last September and October.
Yes, maybe this Wilson isn’t that guy, but I think there is a more than decent chance he can turn back into him.
The people who want him traded are delusional anyway. What would he possibly fetch in the market that would be fair? I’d like to see the starting SS or C with an over 750 OPS we’d get for him.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Where did my comment say anything at all about trading Wilson?
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sorry, maybe you specifically didn’t say that. I just get annoyed by the “what have you done for me lately” crowd. I’m aware Wilson’s numbers aren’t as good this year as last year, but I’m of the belief he will eventually correct what’s wrong, either mechanically or mentally or physically if he’s hurt. He has time to fix it.
The thing is even when Wilson was good last year, people still panicked every time he was on the mound. Even if he was Mariano or Eckersley, people would panic. Even if he got traded the next day and Romo got moved to closer, people would panic. That’s the nature of the closer job. That’s what makes it special. It’s the last three outs so people stress out about it.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
here
“I think WIlson has been worse this year, but trading him is silly”
this is the line, who’s in?
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
If you want to trade every Giant who’s been worse this year than last year you’re gonna have a pretty long line before you get to Wilson.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Relievers get big returns all the time.
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
a contending team trading away their closer happens so rarely that there’s no way that it would not arouse suspicion that the goods are defective.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
He doesn’t have to be traded tomorrow, but I would like to see him traded in the offseason.
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Well he may have another strong September/October run that may change your thinking on that.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
/shrug
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Sheez, didn't the A's do it all the time?
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I don’t think they did it once.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
I mean, during the actual playoff run.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
I maybe mistaken, but I can’t recall a contending team trading one of their main players anytime lately. Buyers deal prospects and sellers want prospects. That’s how it works. If sellers get anyone on the 25-man roster, it’s usually a young guy with years left on his deal on the cheap.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Too lazy to look, but . . .
. . . wasn’t Isringhausen one?
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Nope
never even traded.
They always wait until after the season is over, which makes the most sense.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Where did the "mid-season" qualification enter the thread?
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But you did in fact point to a genuine example. The A’s traded closer Billy Taylor (26 saves on the season) for Isringhausen at the 1999 deadline, when they were tied for first place.
I thought they were 8 games out.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
FP led off for the Giants in that game. Charlie Hayes, with an OPS in the .500s at the time, hit third.
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I was probably drunk on Guinness and playing goldeneye that day. (As was the case most of that summer)
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
it’s hard to contend in the offseason.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Meanwhile:
Some names that may be familiar—
. Billy Koch
. Keith Foulke (let go as FA)
. Billy Taylor
. Jason Isringhausen (let go as FA)
. Huston Street
And now moving Andrew Bailey is at least being discussed.
(Letting closers go as free agents isn’t actually trading them, but it is effectively trading them for draft picks.)
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Whatever the Giants want to do with Wilson in the offseason is fine by me.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
This.
Wilson is too strongly attached to the team’s fabric or identity. Other teams aren’t stupid, they know this. Our brass trading him would be like trading Lincecum or Posey. People would figure it out that we’re only dealing them because we think there’s something wrong with him physically.
The only way Wilson leaves the Giants is as a free agent when his deal is up.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
They could just make a conscious effort not to play him for three or four days.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
Velocity is there. Wildness is there. Saves are there. A blown save here and there. An unfortunate water cooler. Sounds like he is Wilsonesque.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah 28 for 32 is awful
Wilson got squeezed a bit today and his command has not been what it was last year. Today I just think we was rusty. Handn’t pitched much since last Sunday. He is always a guy taht struggles more when he doesnt’ work a lot.
Maybe I’m overreacting but I really think the big problem is this change to the 2 seamer. Apparently, he’s throwing it more than any other pitch. And he’s just not nearly as effective as he was last year. He has to realize this, right? Is there some reason he can’t throw the 4 seamer anymore?
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Good Point.
Wilson’s bread and butter was the knee high 4 seamer on the black away. Now he’s cutter and 2 seamer happy. I don’t get the switch. I do have total faith that Wilson will figure it out.
If he's lost velocity with the four-seamer, he might be scared to throw it
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by OaklandsFinest30 on Jul 17, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants baseball:
We’ll take it.
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Will this game finally convince Bochy to have Romo close?
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No way. If Wilson had blown it, there might be some talk of it. But he pitched to the score.
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I think it would take more than Wilson just blowing it.
And, you know, that might not be so bad. Having our best reliever available for innings that are not the 9th may win us a few games this year.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Regrettably . . .
. . . based on 2011 stats (excluding today, but that won’t help), SSS and all, he is not the team’s best reliever; he is not the team’s second-best reliever; he is not the team’s third-best reliever; he is not the team’s fourth-best reliever; he is not the team’s fifth-best reliever; he is the team’s sixth-best reliever. Only Mota, whoe numbers have been crippled by some sacrificial multi-inning outings, has a worse line.
I agree that, especially for relievers, using one partial season’s numbers is not fair play; but even on a career-to-date basis, he is third-best, behind Romo and (this no doubt a surprise to many) Ramirez.
Trading Wilson, moving Romo to closer and Ramirez to set-up would not be at all A Bad Thing if any kind of reasonable value (a territory fraught with landmines) could be had back.
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But what about Fear the Beard?
Atta babe, good pick.
Romo has a beard.
I really hope that Wilson’s facial hair is not actually going to stop the Ginats Brasz from getting the best value they can in a trade.
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Well, I would really miss Weezy's antics if he were traded.
It would be weird to see him on the Mets or somesing.
Atta babe, good pick.
Even if he's not the best reliever
I don’t want to trade him…yet
His antics gets on my nerves sometimes. He is becoming too much like Dennis Rodman. He seems to be like what some people get on Chad Ocho Cinco or TO for: look at me, look at me.
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Whether you are a Wilson fan or not, the hardest thing to do is to get the last three outs. Until we see catastrophic failures, ie. blown saves 2 at a time 3 or 4 times during the season, I am not a fan of disrupting the bullpen. Knee jerk reactions are not good for the team. See my previous off target comments about Pablo. How wrong I was, how glad I am.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, but . . .
. . . as either Connie Mack or Branch Rickey (or both) so often said, the time to trade a man is the year before he goes bad. (The presumption being, of course, that a perspicacious enough GM can readily enough determine that year.)
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While the point is a very good one, I’m not sure it would be a good idea to take Connie Mack’s advice on making trades.
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Well, I think it was Rickey anyway.
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I'm in this line.
It was this same philosophy that allowed the 49ers to extend their reign of terror by an extra few years.
This is how I know this won't happen any time soon
I only noticed this for the first time last Sunday. Sitting near the Giants bullpen, I never realized how big of a spectacle Wilson is.
People were standing up for about 5 minutes while others were yelling at them to STFD. Some kid was standing next to me for the entire inning mindlessly watching Wilson (I didn’t notice him at all until the inning ending, pretty creepy really). He’ll have to completely implode and be hated by Giants fans for him to be traded.
That is cray-z.
Wilson is definitely a big spectacle
Sat right next to the bullpen a couple times. The entire time Wilson was warming up one game, the drunk guy next to me kept yelling at Wilson to acknowledge him. Then of course the general cheering and yelling and everyone taking their phones out to take pictures of him and stuff. It was like the game stopped and everyone just focused on Wilson, kind of a wonder Wilson can get mentally prepped to go into the game.
When RamRam came up earlier that game the people next to me asked who he was lol.
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by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 7:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Not to mention, that you have to figure his perceived value takes a hit the moment it becomes known he’s being shopped. If I’m the GM of another team, I would quickly assume something must be going wrong behind the scenes for him to be getting shopped right now.
Reminds me a bit of the constant Papelbon rumors that would float around Boston the last few years.
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I meant Romo when I said our best reliever. If Wilson is constantly being thrown into the ninth, Romo is available for other situations, which may very well be more high leverage.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions
And that may not be a bad thing.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
It would be A Very Good Thing, except . . .
. . . that he doesn’t really get used much there, either. It’s nice for him to get a key out now and then, but I’d much rather he be allowed to deal with situations, not just this or that batter in a given situation. He is at present, in effect, a ROOGY.
And I wince every time Lopez faces a RHB. It cannot be avoided every time, because that’s why God made pinch hitters, but just as Bochy has made a good reliever into a ROOGY, he has (in his mind) made a good LOOGY a reliever. Shudder . . . .
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless that other situation involves a left handed hitter.
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 18, 2011 6:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Idiotic
1. The bakc end of the bullpen has been lights out. Why change anything. Wilson has been playing on the edge, no question. But he gets it done. And he will continue to do so.
2. The 9th is different. I know you guys will throw out some stats fromn whatever and say no way. i prefer to listen to the guys that have actually done it. I heard Smoltz the other day talking about the differentce between being a starter and a closer. He said there is nothing like the pressure and adrenaline of being the day in day out closer. But I guess he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
3. if you move Wilson the whole dynamic changes. Not only do you have an untested closer, you no longer have your Romo Lopez 8th inning como. That has been nails all year.
4. Unknown if Romo can take the daily grind of being the closer. Can he ptich 4 ninth innings in 5 games. Can he pitch damn near every day come Sept/oct. Wilson can. We know that.
5. Did you guys miss the postseason last year?
Jesus Christ the guy allows a few basrunners and you want to trade him. Unflipping real.
Hey, you can disagree with owlcroft without calling him an idiot.
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And, as usual, the people who want to trade Wilson have been wanting to do so for longer than just since this game.
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I did not call Owlcroft an idiot
Nor would I. He is someone I respect quite a bit. I said the suggestion to trade Wilson is idiotic.
And those who want to trade Wilson always do it based on periperals etc. you can have those. I’ll take the saves
You aren’t at all concerned that his strikeout rate and velocity have both dropped this year, while his walk rate has increased?
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And for the record, I’m not big on trading Wilson, but to act as though there’s nothing concerning about his performance this year seems intentionally obtuse to me.
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Bottom line is he's 28 for 32
that is his most impt number. If he’s got arm problems, then that is, of course, another thing all together. But a closer is going to differ a bit year to year in his numbers. Its a tough position mentally. And an even tougher one physically
How do you know if someone has the “closer mentality” if they’ve never been a closer? Might as well have the same closer for 40 years because no one else has experience.
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I’m not saying that I think Romo wouldn’t be a good closer, because the truth of the matter is I just don’t know. Not enough to go on.
But I did find it interesting that after his save a week ago he did say that A) he does believe in a closer mentality and B) he’s not sure he has it. He definitely expressed his belief in there being a difference between the 8th and 9th innings.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Not enough to go on.
How about a body of statistical data that suggests he is one of the best relief pitchers in baseball?
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that’s fine. But being one of the best set-up men in baseball doesn’t make you a mortal lock to be as effective as a closer, just like being a AAA-stud doesn’t make you a mortal lock to be a good big leaguer.
We won’t know until we know. I’ve said all along I’d like Romo to get a shot at it for 15 games while Wilson gets out the kinks in the DL. At least then we’ll have some sample size to go on, however little.
But the thing is, I don’t thing the way things are is a bad thing. Most people here think the 7th-8th inning role is more critical than the closer spot anyway, so if Romo’s the best guy we have, I’m happy he’s there to fill that role.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you throw out some names . . .
. . . of relievers who were highly successful as setup men or other nonclosers who failed materially as closers? And how long do you reckon is that list compared to similar men who did not fail?
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the Giants tried it with Worrell and Herges, to name two, and I wasn’t overly impressed with either as closers. Couldn’t nail down the big ones.
Again, I’m not saying I’m convinced Romo would be bad. I’m not making any judgments on it. All I’m saying is I don’t automatically assume he’d be as dominant as he is now. Quite frankly I think I’m more open-minded about it than most people here. You guys are setting him up to fail if you’re expecting him to be an instant elite closer.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't remember Worrell and Herges being particularly good setup men.
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Even at that, Worrell wasn’t too bad. Per Wikipedia:
Worrell’s greatest success came in 2003 when he replaced the injured Robb Nen as the closer for San Francisco.
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Worrell kinda sucked and managed to close for an entire year without shitting the bed.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
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Worrell was quite good as a closer in 2003
Herges was never very good
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Ryan Madson!
Dude went from setting up for Lidge to blowing saves for the Phils this year!
Oh, wait.
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Don't misunderstand me
I am not saying that Romo could not be a good closer. I’m saying we don’t know. My biggest concern would be his ability to handle it physically.
We know Wilson can.
If the Giants were a second division team, then Wilson would be a great trading chip. Frankly, I think a good closer for a second division team is always a good deadline bargaining chip.
But they are the defending champs and there is no way they should be doing anything to mess with what this year has been the strongest part of the team – their bullpen
The comparison with AAA to the MLB is erroneous because those are two completely different talent levels. Romo is facing the same level of competition as Wilson, just in a different scenario.
In an ideal world, your best reliever would be used in the most critical situation, not just arbitrarily in a save situation. But that never happens. What is practical is asking for Romo to pitch a lot more.
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I think Bochy is slowly starting to stretch him out more. You’re not seeing nearly as many of those .1 inning outings as we did early in the year.
I think whatever limits Bochy sets up for Romo is less about his confidence in Romo’s ability and more about his concern for Romo’s durability and his confidence in Lopez vs LHP.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
"You’re not seeing nearly as many of those .1 inning outings as we did early in the year."
’chasm, right?
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What does "'chasm" mean
I see it posted an have no clue.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Romo's durability and tendancy to tweak his knee
…are reasons I’d worry about him as a closer
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Again Romo had second
most innings out of the pen last year. I think the belief that Bochy doesn’t trust him is a figment of some on this bards imaginations. The 8th belongs to Lopez and Romo. The only question is who is up. If its lefty right lefty you are going to get Lopez. Other way around, Romo.
What I don’t want to see is righty lefty righty with Romo, Lopez, Wilson.
Bochy has done that at times. I don’t think he will anymore.
The 7th inning should be Ramirez/Lopez since they both have L/R splits and the 8th inning should be Romo.
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My overall point Jprony
Is that the bullpen has been terrific all year. Why mess with success?
Yeah I'm a bit concerned
But i still want to see him in the 9th. His K rate is still strong. Velocity still good (I think part of the change is that he’s goning now more to a two seam fastball and that generally is a tad lower on the gun than the four seamer. His control has been spotty. Particularly when not used as much.
I dont’ think he’s hurt. I think hes a tad less overpowering than last year. Having said that – he’s still one of the best closers in the league. And he’s the guy I want with the ball in his hand in key games.
The guy is an adrenaline junkie. Not a bad attribute for a closer.
Okay, see, people keep using the two seamer as an excuse for why his velocity is down. So – he’s throwing this two seamer more. His walks are up. His strikeouts are down. His velocity is down. He is not as effective.
Why the hell is he throwing this goddamn pitch so much? He isn’t nearly as good as he was in 2009 and 2010.
Yes, it’s super cool looking when it’s a strike. But it doesn’t seem to BE a strike all that often. I’m seriously really annoyed about this stupid pitch and I want him to go back to what made him successful before.
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You may be right on that
My guess is he feels it helps him long term
All I know is that, at this point, his walk rate is up to over 5 per 9. Use the two seamer as a change of pace, to steal a strike or get a ground ball every so often, but for it to be his main pitch right now seems really dumb to me.
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This is really an excellent point and I think you have a better perspective on Wilson that a lot of people here. I really wish Baggs or Schulman would ask him about this, but I fear that even if they did they wouldn’t get anywhere near a straight answer.
For some reason he seems to be gun shy with the 4-seemer. Maybe the playoff workload from last year got to him and he doesn’t have 99 anymore. Maybe he’s hiding some injury. I don’t know what it is. My guess is he rushed his return from injury and hasn’t been healthy all year and he’s afraid to really let it go for fear of tearing something.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been wondering this myself
For some reason he seems to be gun shy with the 4-seemer. Maybe the playoff workload from last year got to him and he doesn’t have 99 anymore. Maybe he’s hiding some injury. I don’t know what it is. My guess is he rushed his return from injury and hasn’t been healthy all year and he’s afraid to really let it go for fear of tearing something.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
1) Because premium relievers are often overvalued, so it’s a good idea to trade them and get back something more useful.
2) There’s no evidence of that.
3) Yes, you’re right, we do have a lot of very talented reliever. Some might even say we have a surplus. Now, what’s the smart thing to do when you have a lot of one thing and not a lot of another…
4) Can Wilson? Can he do that? Because his velocity is down this year after he did that last year, and he’s walking more and striking out less. Maybe he can’t.
5) I watched it on Excel.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
BTW
If I am Bruce Bochy, which is not my real identity, Brian Wilson is not my closer anymore. I would strongly recommend he get traded.
There is no way this happens, but it would be beneficial to the Giants if it did.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 5:24 PM PDT reply actions
Yes.
Also, one side note: the suicide squeeze (with one out) is one of the few small-ball tactics that actually makes good percentage-baseball sense. The success rate required for break-even is quite low, maybe 50% (not certain of that, but that’s what Cook calculated decades ago).
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but isn't the problem that
when it doesn’t work you lose the RISP whereas a failure to get a hit or a ball deep enough for a SF leaves the RISP?
Like every tactic . . .
. . . it has a benefit when it works and a cost when it fails, and those benefits and costs can nowadays be worked out readily and fairly well. One determines overall value of the tactic by multiplying the cost by the probability of fail and the benefit by the probability of success (which is just 1 minus the probability of fail) and adding the two; or, you can work out the success probability at which they add to zero, which is the break-even point. Succeed more often than that, and using the play is a net benefit, even though at times it will cost you (like a CS on an SB attempt).
Unlike, say, the steal, for which the break-even point is (depending on game situation and who you ask) somewhere from 65% to 75% or more, the suicide squeeze break-even point is (as I remember it) relatively low, around 50%, so if you can meet that—which ought to be easy—it is a good play to use as often as possible (that is, up to the point at which it becomes predictable).
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My feeling has always been that the greatest problem with the suicide squeeze is that when it doesn’t work, the manager looks really, really, really bad in a really, really, really visible way. It’s the K-looking for managers.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Probably so.
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I wonder how much if it is confidence.
Lets be honest laying down an accutate bunt is not a given thing in the mlb now days. Even pitchers who pracitice more often still tend to * cough cough* questionible on it.
I am not saying all players should be bunting experts but if the guy is like a sub 230 ba or 330 OBP or say sub 300 wOBA it really should be in his bag of tricks.
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You should see a doctor for that cough.
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You miss the point of a suicide squeeze.
The bunt does not have to be “accurate”. It just has to be on the ground beyond the immediate reach of the catcher. Unlike a bunt to move a runner from, say, first to second, in a suicide the runner at third has already broken and made it a good ways down the line before contact. If the ball is put on the ground and goes more than a yard from home, the runner scores easily.
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I get the point of it. What i am trying say is a manger has to have bigger set of stones to use because how many guy on a most 25 man roster can be relied upon to get that bunt down well enough for runner of average speed to get home? And home many of the set are guys you realy don’t want bunting?
I am a little bit friendler toward the bunt then most here. That being said I really not intrest in seeing the 2010 Torees doing or a not cold Panda etc. But something like stewart, carwford, tajdea, burriss, rowand etc should expected be able to do it. Sadly i am not sure most of them could.
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Addendum
It is a skill like feet first sliding. Both are a skill that this era just hasn’t worked on and boy does it show.
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As to Stewart . . .
. . . he said in the interview that, knowing he isn’t a home-run hitter, he concentrates on improving his other skills, including bunting.
But my more general point is that the batter doesn’t have to be a notably fine bunter, with well-developed bat-control skills—just good enough that he can most probably make at least some kind of contact other than a popup. Lots of bunts that would be utter disasters for moving a man from 1st to 2nd (or 2nd to 3rd) will do just fine as squeezes.
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That’s a really good analogy, I think.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Were we really relying on a sac fly by Stewart?
I liked the odds of the squeeze.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I had my fingers crossed that Torres was going to suicide squeeze against Bell, alas, I was destined to wait….
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping for that too. Andres still had a good game, though. big hit in the 8th with that RISP to tie the game
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
isn’t the average for getting a runner in from 3B with less 2 outs around 50% as well though?
so whether it’s a squeeze or the hitter hits away, it’s about even percentage-wise?
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
You are conflating concepts.
The break-even point for the suicide squeeze is (I think, I’m not asserting this as definte fact, just my memory of someone else’s work) 50%. But that does not mean that 50% is its success rate; I don’t know that number, but I’d be shocked if it weren’t way over 50%. (Also remember that that tactic is only used with 1 out, never with no outs.)
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Once again its not subject to pure stats
Look at your situation. You have an awful hitter at the plate. But he is, apparently, a good bunter. Great speed on third. And after Stewart you have Torres – who has been awful in these situations this year. So in that situation it made sense. Where Bochy did his best job was in waiting out the pitchout. You knew it was coming. And you also knew it was highly unlikely on 2-1 pitch.
OK except for that last.
I was a pretty big risk that Black wouldn’t pitch out a second time; managers often do in those situations, as either Kruk or Kuip actually said. (Also not so OK about Torres, but that’s not relevant: the odds are better on the squeeze than on a batter, even a very good one, getting a hit.)
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[Umpire] dude wasn’t calling corner strikes or pitches at the knees.
Wilson’s command isn’t as sharp but, today anyhow, it looked like he was getting squeezed.
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by The Gene Hackman on Jul 17, 2011 5:27 PM PDT reply actions
Ok, I might be able to excuse the first walk. But you have to adjust to the zone that’s being called. How do you explain the second (and third!) walks?
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He had no clue where the strike zone was today
He seemed to get worse as the inning went on and appeared to be over-throwing his fastballs.
Oh, I agree. Wilson walked the shit out of the second batter.
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by The Gene Hackman on Jul 17, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
For some reason, Brooks isn’t letting me look at the Pitch F/X stuff for Wilson, but I didn’t really feel like he was getting squeezed all that much. And most of his pitches weren’t particularly close.
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Yeah
I concur. I feel like a lot of the time, Wilson gets a lot calls because he is Brian Wilson. Today, the ump was not buying that.
Kruk was on the ball about his guy, though. High ball ump, there were a lot of low strikes that he called balls.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Can anyone show a fangraph
To pinpoint bweezys pitch placement today
by big logs Johnson on Jul 17, 2011 6:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I have seen studies
That showed Wilson getting a shitload of balls called strikes. My own eyes correlate the findings of that study.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Equaled number of W vs Padres as last year
Padre’d, pretty soon will be a good word, not a bad word, with games like today.
Time to repeat in '11!
Repost-Just reading the play-by-play summary
Tejada had a great day defensively. Error, infield single, and LOL rang on the Hudson 2-RBI single
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He had that one great play to catch that guy stealing.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Another one
Where he caught the ball that Fontenot couldn’t find in the sun….That was a nice play….
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now Grant
Polenta is awesome.
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by Tim Lincecum's Bong on Jul 17, 2011 5:28 PM PDT reply actions
I don't dislike it.
I just don’t get it.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 17, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there something to get? I’m it’s ground up cornmeal
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I mean it’s ground up cornmeal
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Why would you want that? The old cranky woman from “Matewan” was right to be annoyed.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 17, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s odd that it’s gotten popular at all. The entire point of polenta (back in my grandparents’ day) was to make something edible for really really cheap.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
LOL Monkfish
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I love Monkfish
Are you inferring that it is cheap?
Cuz, it isn’t cheap on the east coast.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
No
Monkfish’s nickname was the “poor man’s lobster”. Basically, no one wanted to eat it because it was ugly.
Then people realized how awesome it tasted..prices went way up.
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Gotcha
It definitely is ugly, but it is delicious.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I love monkfish. Monkfish liver is perhaps my wife’s favorite sushi. Unfortunately, monkfish is one of the worst things you can eat as far as bioconcentration. Lots of heavy metals. :/
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 17, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Patagonian Toothfish
nom nom nom
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by shanghaijim on Jul 17, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I just tried walleye for the first time. I can now say I found a fish I like!
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I’ve never had polenta that I liked, but I remain open minded.
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Pretty much.
If it’s on my plate, I’ll eat it, but it’s never going to influence my decision on what to order.
by Grant Brisbee on Jul 17, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like it very much. I don’t like corn tortillas, either. Or corn off the cob, for that matter.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
bah
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
So you don’t like Enchiladas? Or Taquitos? Or any other awesome food that is made with them?
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Enchiladas are a possible maybe. But only if I can’t taste the tortilla itself.
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Bah
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
/I’m walkin’ here.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I like corn tortillas but if I had to choose I pick flour.
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Corn . . .
. . . is, as Nero Wolfe famously and often put it, the Queen of Vegetables. But (as he also noted) cooked as most Americans cook it, by boiling, it becomes merely passable provender. Corn needs to be fresh, of a good type and cultivar, then oven-roasted in the husk. After that, butter, pepper, and salt are optional.
Type: corn has been much fiddled with over the generations. The original corn, now rare except for a handful of devoted purists, is not notably sweet, and has the especial drawback of losing its flavor and such sweetness as it has literally the instant it is picked. The old saying was that to have fresh corn, you walk out to the cornfield and run back to the kitchen.
Newer types of corn have been bred that can hold their quality for even days after picking. Also, added degrees of sweetness have been developed, running from “enhanced” through “extra” to “double” and now even “triple-sweet” types. Most real corn fanciers find that the enhanced and extra (not greatly different) are the best; beyond that, the flavor becomes the standard American over-sugary quality. (A European critic once said that every country has its aharacteristic flavoring, from butter in France to beer in Germany and tin—from cans—in America, but he was wrong: the characteristic American flavoring is sugar, which is added to almost every commercial food.)
Blessed is he who can grow his own corn and freeze it fresh off the stalk. But everyone else can at least roast, not boil, the ears.
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I like corn, a lot.
But, I don’t think it tastes “better” depending on if I roast, boil, steam or grill it. It just tastes “different” than other methods of cooking it.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this means you have never had fresh corn. When I was little we would pick it off the stalk, shuck it and literally run it to the house and throw it in boiling water. The sugars start to break down quickly when corn is harvested and good organic corn is unbelievably good when it’s eaten as soon as it’s picked.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 17, 2011 7:05 PM PDT up reply actions
The only corn I have had raw
Is “deer corn” and it tasted like garbage raw. I am going to assume, that it tastes dramatically different from the corn you are describing.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t mean raw (thus the boiling water). I just mean fresh.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 17, 2011 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Ahhh...gotcha
Yeah, I have no idea how “old” the corn I ate was.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Boiling . . .
. . . in effect leaches flavoring out of the corn. I, at least (and, from what I read, an awful lot of other people) notice a quite substantial difference between roasted and boiled corn, with the latter very much blander. But YMMV. (Grilling I would think has about the same effect as roasting; steaming I don’t know about, but I’d suspect it might be more like boiling.)
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I am sure you are right
I just like it so much, that I have never noticed a difference (in taste) depending on how it is cooked.
All I really need is corn on the cob (cooked, somehow) and salt.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you cooking it fresh out of the garden? Or bringing it home from the store/farmer’s market?
It seems that they are saying corn on the cob has a very very short freshness period. Maybe by the time it’s been sent to the store, brought home from the store and then cooked there’s something that is lost and it does taste the same no matter how you cook it. Maybe it needs to be 5 minutes out of the garden fresh for a difference to be noticed?
Could be
Yeah, the only “fresh” corn I have had is “deer corn”. Which tasted like crap anyway.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions
No longer.
As I noted above, breeding has now produced corn that does not start converting its sugars to starches the instant it is picked; such corn, which is the vast majority of what is grown now, can hold its quality for not merely hours, but even days (though fastest is still best, because the conversion rate is not actually zero).
The old “open-pollinated” varieties (Golden Bantam is a favorite among them) are still grown by a small but dedicated minority of home growers, but not (so far as I have ever heard) by any commercial growers. Mark Twain once suggested that corn fanciers (who always grew their own back then) set up cooking kettles right in the corn field, to avoid even a moment’s delay; today, a few hours or even the next day is just fine.
Also, remember that there are many corns other than “sweet corn” (the sort normally eaten): dent corn, flint corn, popcorn, flour corn (dent corn and flint corn are lumped together as “field corn” because they are fed to animals), and decorative or “Indian” corn. I suspect “deer corn” would be of one of those types.
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I love boiled corn. Could eat it every day. Especially at the beach, with salt, you can’t beat that.
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by Aaronstampler on Jul 17, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Many people think you can.
With, as noted, roasted corn.
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You mean Korn, right!?!?
Yeah!! 666!!!
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Wilson needs to spend less time playing a character
and more time working on the strike zone. Romo is significantly better than him right now.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Suicide squeeze and all,
but MATT CAIN! Plus, Romo. And Nate taking 2 backfoot sliders before getting that base hit.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
I was wondering when was the last time Bochy called a Suicide Squeeze, too. Does this link above mean that was the last time he did it? I remember a few safety squeezes, but never a suicide squeeze
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:30 PM PDT reply actions
Was it a suicide squeeze that time when MadBum missed the sign with Bill Hall on 3rd?
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by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson’s walk rate was acceptable in 09 too.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions
K/BB ratio this year not so good
1.87 K/BB…almost half of last year’s ratio
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Wilson's K/BB ratio has gone up every year till this one.
While one could not expect that to continue, the sudden fall-off is, if not a red light, at least an amber one. And if I recall aright what I have seen here recently, his velocity is also in some decline, so more than one light is blinking.
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3 BB/9 is fine if you’re striking out around 11 as well. 8? Not so much.
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I would love for Wilson to have 3 BB/9 IP right now
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Thought it was higher
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by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course, Wilson's at like 5 BB/9
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perhaps a probable explanation for Wilson’s wildness this season is his lack of command on new pitches?
the 2-seamer is a new pitch, right?
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, but I don’t get why he is using it so much.
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
me neither, but I would hazard a guess that his philosophy on that is “use it until you learn to control it”, whether that be to the detriment of his game or not
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by giant4life83 on Jul 18, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
We fetishized it with that GIF of the Jamey Carroll strikeout, and now Wilson is hooked.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
bj upton
on mlbtr i read "Olney speculates that the Giants could be a fit for B.J. Upton, as the Rays continue to “weigh interest” in the 26-year-old"
thoughts on him?
I have the impression that despite his speed, he is not actually a great fielder, so I’d hope the Giants stay away, because it is not like the Rays are going to give him away for free.
he did play 3B and 2B in his rookie year
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He was an infielder until June of 2007, in the middle of his third season. Wasn’t he something of a clankmitt in the infield?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
So, what novel method of victory have the Giants failed to obtain this year?
We have a balk-off, a winning run walked in, a suicide squeeze, every flavor of walkoff, and probably something else I’m forgetting.
As frustrating as the journey is, the result is usually awesome and hilarious.
Wasn't a balk-off
Go ahead balk off though.
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by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
errr
Go ahead balk off run though
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Although a balk off would be awesome
Two pitchers in the dome, only one leaves. Who will balk the best?
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Armando Benitez
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The Mets gave up a balk-off this year, I believe.
Not to the Giants, though.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
I vote for
Other team forfeits due to lack of players.
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I always liked
Giants forfeit because we don’t want to play the shitty American League team
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The Giants are league average for the NL in bunts (39 v 40)
The leaders? The Nationals and the Pirates.
Also:
Team sac bunts projected from individual player career stat lines pro-rated to play time for 2011 is (coming into today) 38; team actual is 39. Considering that most of those players’ careers include a lot of years not playing under Bruce Bochy, the evidence for Bochy’s supposed dislike of the sac seems lacking.
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This win calls for a celebration
Free muffins for everyone! (sorry, no tacos. I don’t have any.)
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
Had my share of blueberry muffins today at Souplantation
I eat the whole muffin but my wife only eats the tops
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I love that place
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Which one do you go to?
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Tustin
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Ah, I go to Fullerton or Brea
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
who frosts muffins?
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heh
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
It ceases being a muffin and becomes a cupcake at that point.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite quotation from the best unheard of comedy ("Kitchen Confidential"):
Fine, you win, but I am not making muffins. Muffins are for people who don’t have the nads to order cake for breakfast!
And more importantly
Carmageddon is over! Whatever
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:34 PM PDT reply actions
My transport planning senses are tingling
They’re like Spidey senses, but noone gives a crap about them
Unless you’ve played SimCity, of course.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Simcity 4 is a huge bitch without the transport add-on. The problem is that you’re essentially playing blind about peoples route choice etc
One of the local news stations had a live feed of the big jack hammer chipping away at the bridge throughout their whole telecasts behind the correspondents.
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Certainly the most reported.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Q: Who is leading Giants *Qualified* Batters in batting average?
A: M. Tejada (.243)
Wow. Just…wow.
by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 17, 2011 5:38 PM PDT reply actions
Do they have another qualified hitter besides Huff?
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
ding ding ding
It’s Tejada and Huff alone as qualified hitters
by Viva Jon Miller on Jul 17, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
did Huff have another 0-5 with 5 4-3 putouts?
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson gets a save and there are naysayers?
You don’t judge a pitcher on when he has his best stuff, command or generous umpire. Wilson had none of that, got the job done.
He is the most mentally tough reliever we have.
Time to repeat in '11!
lol
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL YOU
Scott in Marin, is that you?
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by nothingbutnet003 on Jul 17, 2011 5:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t know how to respond to this.
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It's Posey time!!
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I would like the set of steak knives please
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I’d just like to pour myself a cup of coffee without someone yelling at me.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah, I used to be a closer. [drinks] It’s a tough racket.
"All right pie, I'm just going to do this. [chomp, chomp] And if you get eaten, it's your own fault."
by Woody'sShed on Jul 18, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
He should really learn a better move than Ember.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow. Just wow.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
that’s gotta be chasm
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah Geez Not This Shit Again.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
You say metnatlly tough?
I say showing signs of Moon Man-itis.
And pure grit in a Giants Reliever? That throne is held by Shooter ( RIP) . I have no Idea how Beck kept getting those out after 94 but he managed it.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Just saying
Too soon to call him dead. Ump’s zone was shakey and small. Up until pitch 20 every pitch was trying to shave the zone. After 20 pitches, or so he started getting wild.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 18, 2011 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions
How bad was the strike zone?
i hear nothing below mid thigh was called a stike…
"A Zito appears at first sight an extremely obvious, trivial thing. But its analysis brings out that it is a very strange thing, abounding in metaphysical subtleties and theological niceties."
yeah, it looked like the low stuff was not being called
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by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Strike zone moved
Corners were rarely called. Low balls were occasionaly called. 1 horrible spot got called 2-3 times vs Tejada and some other random Padre playes (low and in).
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 17, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The only egregious problem I noticed was the ump didn’t call the outside corner with a lefty at the plate.
Here’s Cain’s strike zone plot.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
Michael Cuddyer isn't going to be traded
http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/125673483.html
Ross seems like a 4th outfielder to me, especially when playing left. He’s not consistent, though he can catch fire. The Giants need a upgrade, especially in the cleanup spot.
The Giants need an upgrade almost everywhere. But they’re not getting it.
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by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Pass. Beltran is probably cheaper and more upside.
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Thats what I was implying by pointing out that Cuddyer wont be available. The advange that the Giants have with regards to Beltran is that they have the money and Beltran has publicly said he’ll waive his full no trade clause to join them.
/crossing fingers
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The Mets want top a prospect for him. Thats what they’re holding out for. If not, I think it will probably be a combination of cash and lower quality prospects. They very much want salary relief.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, but what about giving up Cain for Fielder? I think that has some merit.
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No. He’s going to be a free agent
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by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t see how sacrificing Cain so Fielder can eat him makes sense.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I am still holding out hope for that Lincecum for Rios trade
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Good. Mom and I went up to the Space and Rocket Center in Huntsville on Saturday, which was so wonderful. I hadn’t been in about five years, and it was just great.
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LOL Space Exploration…waste of taxpayer money. What has the Space program done for anyone?
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/sets you on fire
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice. Glad to hear that you had a good time, and more importantly, made the journey to and from safely.
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Yeah, the journey wasn’t all that interesting (truth be known, I hate driving). It took me an hour to get out of Knoxville because of stupid accidents on 40/75 west.
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CARMAGGEDON SOUTHEAST!
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Seriously jealous
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
You would have loved it. The center has undergone a transition away from its old building to a new space called the Davidson Center for Space Exploration. The center’s Saturn V is now housed in the building, as is the Apollo 16 CM, Mercury and Gemini training simulators, an actual swing arm from one the Pad 39 launch towers and mockups of the Orion and Ares vehicles. We had a grand time.
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It would help . . .
. . . to have some more definite criterion than “seems to me”. As it happens, I more or less agree about Ross, though he’s a very good “fourth outfielder”, a term that in my book means a guy who plays about as much as the other three, with intelligent rotation and rest days used.
On a career basis, using the TOP, Ross is 824, Burrell is 968, and Torres and Schierholtz are probably not judged well by career numbers (Torres as a Giant is somewhere around 860 even with this year included; Schierholtz as a regular this year is much less certain, for several reasons—including defining when he was or was not a “regular”—but is somewhere in the high 800s). Especially if we assume Torres’ 2011 will improve, and that Schierholtz’s numbers finally playing regularly are close to sustainable, Ross is indeed the least of the four—by not by a huge margin.
Moreover, all are pretty good, and except for Burrell are outstanding fielders (and even Burrell isn’t but a hair below average). Who would a Beltran replace? It has to be one of Burrell or Schierholtz, as Beltran can’t really play CF now. Since Burrell is by far the bigger bat, it would be Schierholtz who is replaced. With Beltran a career 1011, the gain is maybe 130; since even full-time players only get maybe 10% of their team’s play time, that’s roughly (it isn’t quite thsi simple at the detail level) 13 runs—but if we then pro-rate that over, say 40% of the season, it’s about 5 runs gained. That might swing one game (it takes roughly 10 runs for each extra win), or it might not even do that.
But replacing either gains very little, especially with something barely over a third of the season left to play. (Beltran is career 1011,
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Wait, I’m confused. Why are you saying Nate should be the one replaced? His defense is better than Ross’, and he’s improving. Ross has stagnated at the plate, and has been a injury risk this season. He’s also been making several mistakes in the field of late.
You can’t be serious with your claim that Burrell is slightly a below average defender. He has horrible range. His hitting has also been way too inconsistent this season.
Beltran is a stable middle of the order bat, who is very solid on defense. His average with runners in scoring position ranks at the near top. Neither Ross or Burrell are a cleanup hitter.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Burrell’s hitting has been inconsistent because his playing time has been inconsistent.
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I’ve considered that, and I think it’s true to an extent. I believe Bochy’s thinking on this is similar to what he probably thought when Burrell first joined the Giants last season. If he hits at a high level, he plays. It needs to happen right away or he’ll be right back on the bench. He needs to sustain it or the bench. And the reason is because he’s a scary defender. It doesn’t help that he sucks at pinch hitting too. Theres really no role for him to play other than to take walks and pinch run for.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think it’s true at all. Burrell’s hitting has been inconsistent because he strikes out a ton, and thus his offensive value comes from walks and home runs, and home runs are seldom distributed evenly. Look up his month by month splits from 2007 or 2008 — or 2010! — and you see fluctuations more extreme than any he’s had this year.
It’s just part of who he is.
He’s not someone to rely on for steady production. Though, he was spectacular last season playing for the Giants. He was great at doing the little things like sac flys and such. He was dependable. This season, he seems to have lost that.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Just so.
Burrell’s numbers for 2011 are very little different—in terms of actual event counts—than his career line predicts.
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I'm not.
I’m saying he would probably be the one replaced, though it might be Burrell (which would be dumber yet, but that’s this team). As to Burrell’s defense, I only know what I read in the papers, as Will Rogers put it. I distrust individual-fielding metrics, but several who look at them have said that his are not too bad. (For whatever you want to make of it, FanGraphs says his career UZR as a LF is -6.6; as a Giant, last year he was +13.4 and this year he is -11.4, and anyone who thinks that’s a meaningful metric is welcome to their opinion, which is not mine.)
Your claim that Ross is not a cleanup hitter is correct; Burrell could be one, but it is not his best use, because of his high walks rate (valuable, but not in #4). But when you bring in RISP, you betray a Bochyesque outlook on the game, which explains much, so end of story.
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If they keep these outfielders
Then bring up Belt. Platoon Roand and Torres in Center, Belt and Burrell in Left and Nate and Ross in right. The hardest to sit now is Nate as he’s been the teams best all round of this year by a long shot..
There is absolutely, positively, 100% . . .
. . . no reason for Aaron Rowand to ever again take the field or the plate unless two other Giants outfielders are injured in the same game. And platoons are virtually always a very bad idea. Other than that, interesting ideas.
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I am not sure what you mean about platoons. Platoons effectively used are a good way to maximize production from two mediocre players.
No, they aren't.
The basis is that almost all players playing less than maybe 2/3 time lose significant amounts of offensive productivity. In a platoon, necessarily one player is playing half time or less, and maybe the other is still playing less than 2/3 time. At least one is producing—on average—so much under his overall ability that you are almost surely better off playing the overall better of the two full time.
Occasionally the claim is made that this or that player has such huge platoon splits that they can’t be used wrong-hand. Almost invariably, that is a SSS issue. Most authorities with credentials agree that given enough sample size, most players (almost all) will eventually show highly comparable platoon splits.
The problem, as with many circumstances in baseball and life in general, is the invisibility of what is not: you can see what the platoon does, but you can’t see what the alternative arrangement would likely do because it didn’t get a chance to do it. Good thus becomes mistaken for better.
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Hm, I’ve never heard that 2/3 before. I am not quite sure I understand why 2/3 would be so very different from 1/2. But I trust that you didn’t make that up, and certainly the rest of the argument follows.
Well, it's certainly not exact.
The study I did a few decades ago, I used 300 PA or under as “less than full time” and 400 PA or over as “essentially full time”; that was to avoid nonsenses such as a man with 349 and a man with 351 being in different categories. It was hard to get a decent sample size, so there was no way I could slice and dice to get bands of play time finer than “over” and “under”. It could be half time, it could be 3/4 time, but I usually just reckon on 2/3 time.
Incidentally, the differences were huge. Even reckoning that there might be some injury factors skewing the part-time-play data, the results were overwhelming.
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I am curious how you performed this study. I imagine there are a lot of biases that would be tough to avoid. In particular, how did you control for the fact that players who get >400 PA are better than players who get <300 PA?
As best I recall now . . .
. . . to qualify, each man had to have had at least two seasons of “over” and two seasons of under" in the last 5 seasons. So the men were those who had had significant time in each situation. Ecah man was being compared to himself only.
It is nearly impossible (especially with the limited sorts of data available then) to avoid all skew factors, especially injuries, but I may (I no longer remember) have put some floor on the minima for the “under” seasons. But, again, the differentials were simply huge.
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CODY ROSS SUCKS BENCH HIM HE IS INCONSISTENT
Must we do this every day? Here’s the update: Coming into today, since May 1st, Cody Ross was putting up a .281/.380/.467 line over 231 PAs. The bitching about Cody Ross has become so incredibly tired, mostly because it is so incredibly uninformed and baseless.
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He’s like the worst with a runner at 3rd and less than two outs. He can never get that runner in with a productive out. He’s a free swinger. When he’s on, he’s on. When he’s not, he blows.
I guess the stats don’t lie, but he’s not a cleanup hitter and the Giants need one. If not Beltran, I don’t know who.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d hold on the hyperbole. Ross had a sac fly both today and yesterday (today it mattered, yesterday not so much), so when you say never, you’re already wrong. But I do see what you mean as far as him struggling in that situation this year, but you’re talking about a 14 plate appearance microsplit. Likewise, Aaron Rowand is OPSing 1.357 with less than two out and a man on third this year, but that’s in 7 PAs. Despite that, I’ll take Ross in that situation over Rowand every single time, because Cody Ross is a much better hitter than Aaron Rowand. The larger the sample size gets for that particular “runner on 3rd <2 outs” situation, the better Ross’ numbers will look, I can pretty much guarantee it.
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But I do agree, Cody Ross is not a cleanup hitter. But that speaks much more to the deficiencies of the rest of the lineup rather than those of Cody Ross.
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Surely you jest.
The obvious candidate is Sandoval: his TB/PA number is—even when everyone is healthy and playing up tp their abilities—by far the best on the team (and higher than Beltran’s, too). You are probably not familiar with modern work on optimization of lineups, but you want your best hitters in the #1, #2, and #4 spots (distributed as their types of batting determine) and only then your fourth-best in #3, which is not at all the old conventional wisdom. But it is not crucial, because consensus is that lineup order is really a very minor factor in run production: who is in the lineup is what matters most, by far.
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by nothingbutnet003 on Jul 17, 2011 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you speak Jive?
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Well ....
First, who is in the lineup being the more impt is a truism if there ever was one. Sure, I’ll take the ‘27 Yankees and draw them out of a hat and out perform your team. As for th “modern work on optimization of lineups” i’m curious – what teams have tested that theory?
Lots of them.
They just didn’t think of it as an experiment in analysis; they merely thought of it as having Casey Stengel manage.
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SO MUCH THIS
The bitching about Cody Ross has become so incredibly tired, mostly because it is so incredibly uninformed and baseless.
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Ross is still having a good year, I don’t get it.
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People expecting his NLCS numbers to be sustainable.
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by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really believe anyone thought that. But I guess it seems like he doesn’t do as well with RISP
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Hmmm, guess I should have used a question mark instead of a period at the end there.
I am guessing it has more to do with his extremely cold start to the season. Perhaps people look more for the consistent than the streaky?
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by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 8:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree the criticism is unjustified
Ross just tends to be a little more streaky than most. And I would like to see him shortne up with two strikes in runner on 3d less than two out situations. But overall, he’s doing about what should be expected of him. He’s a solid player. Nothing more nothing less.
a 4th of that can play passible CF. think of what he would do in LF with the M’s or the A’s.
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Wilson’s game today shows why saves are overrated
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Well, of course he will, he’ll continue to be put into save situations and the truth is that you don’t have to be all that effective to rack up saves.
But the question is how many saves will he blow if he continues to walk 5 batters per 9?
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he’s on pace to blow more games than he did last year
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This I found fascinating:
The single-season blown-saves leaders:
1. Rollie Fingers, Oakland Athletics (1976) – 14
2. Bruce Sutter, Chicago Cubs (1978) – 14
3. Bob Stanley, Boston Red Sox (1983) – 14
4. Ron Davis, Minnesota Twins (1984) – 14
5. John Hiller, Detroit Tigers (1976) – 13
6. Rich “Goose” Gossage, New York Yankees (1983) – 13
7. Jeff Reardon, Montréal Expos (1986) – 13
8. Dan Plesac, Milwaukee Brewers (1987) – 13
9. Dave Righetti, New York Yankees (1987) – 13
That seems to suggest that it is the closers given the most “save opportunities” who get the most blown saves. Thus, more interesting would be highest single-season percentages of save opportunities blown, but Wikipedia didn’t list that.
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he's at 87% right now I think
actually, probably a bit higher since he converted it today.
But talking about SV/SVOpps right now seems secondary to me…
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Which is probably a little under league average (guessing that’s right around 91-92%).
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The NL 2011 average . . .
. . . is a measly 67%. If we restrict the list to men with at least 20 save opportunities, we see this:
Pitcher Org IP G GR GF W L SVO SV BS SV% Joel Hanrahan PIT 40.1 40 40 36 0 1 26 26 0 100% Heath Bell SDP 38.0 38 38 31 2 3 28 26 2 93% Huston Street COL 43.0 45 45 38 0 3 28 26 2 93% John Axford MIL 43.1 44 44 37 2 2 26 24 2 92% Leo Nunez FLA 42.0 44 44 33 0 2 28 25 3 89% Drew Storen WSN 47.1 45 45 29 5 2 27 24 3 89% Brian Wilson SFG 43.2 44 44 33 6 2 31 27 4 87% Craig Kimbrel ATL 46.0 47 47 39 2 2 33 28 5 85% Fernando Salas STL 45.2 40 40 28 5 3 20 17 3 85% J.J. Putz ARI 34.2 34 34 27 1 2 25 21 4 84% Franc Cordero CIN 39.2 39 39 36 3 3 22 17 5 77% Carlos Marmol CHC 42.2 43 43 35 2 3 26 19 7 73% average 87.5%
So Wilson is right around average for real closers; or, looking at it another way, he is barely below the median. Notable is that Wilson is second-highest in opportunities, just barely below the leader.
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hes is not having as good a year this year.
no question. Last year he was the Giants MVP imo. This year he’s been less consistent. Still, I’ll take him
A win is a win.
And a win over the Padres is even better. Suck it, Mat Latos.
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Dave will be a star in about 2 years or so
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Replacing Jon.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
That is cool.
Jon was razzing him about that last night during the game. “Whoa… you know that’s all the way in Florida, right? You better book a flight!” / “Jon, if you’re trying to get rid of me, you can just tell me so.”
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by troymccluresf on Jul 17, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved that
I also loved when Dave asked, “Are you going to be okay without me, Jon?” / “[pleadingly] No…!”
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Probably just my imagination, but it almost sounds like he’s trying to make his voice sound a tiny bit deeper.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of voices getting deeper
I was watching an old “Classic” game on KNBR from Kuips early days of braodcasting. Voice was MUCH higher.
Who is the other guy?
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Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
The guy that is talking with him talks too much.
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Wilson must own himself in a fantasy league and needed wins this week instead of saves.
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Really? Wow.
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San Francisco’s single-year park factors have it as an extreme pitcher’s park this year.
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I think a lot of that is because we’ve been unable to score at home (average like 3 runs/game) whereas on the road we’re more like 4 runs/game. I think there are some serious SSS shenanigans going on.
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Park factors
multi-year: Batting – 97, Pitching – 96 · one-year: Batting – 90, Pitching – 90
(via BR)
Do they really use single-year park factors (no, less than single year!) to calculate OPS+? That’s lame.
Multi-year ones aren't much better.
It might yet be possible, even with the wildly unbalanced schedules and interleague play, to eventually tease out enough data to be meaningful, but the problem is that the parks themselves change so much that by the time you might have a big enough sample size, the data is invalid. It’s been something like a new ballpark a year coming on line (on average) for over a decade, and that’s not to speak of the not-infrequent changes made to existing parks.
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I’m pretty comfortable with bb-ref’s multiyear park factors, which seem thoughtfully put together and almost always pass the smell test.
Did you follow out the link?
And the links from that page? You might particularly want to look here.
Regrettably, the 2007 paper titled “Improving Major League Baseball Park Factor Estimates” (by Acharya, Ahmed, D’Amour, Lu, Morris, Oglevee, Peterson, and Swift) seems now to no longer be available online except to academic institutions who have paid for the privilege. But we still have this quotation from its conclusions:
Unfortunately, the lack of longer-term data in Major League Baseball, particularly due to the park relocation undergone by eight National League teams, makes it extraordinarily difficult to assess the true contribution of a ballpark to a team’s offense or defensive strength.Of course, the AL now has its share, too.
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What was the journal that that paper was published in? I might be able to obtain a copy.
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You can Google it under its full title.
It used to be publicly available, but now goes through some textbook publisher’s electronic-documents site, available only to institutional libraries who subscribe to the service. If you find an open copy please let me know, but I just hunted quite a bit and could no longer find one.
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Lucky soul.
More and more in recent years I run into documents that are only available through institutions; very frustrating. I doubt our local rural public library has access, and it’s a ways off anyway.
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Well, I intended to suggest with my first comment that I am willing to subvert the system, if you’d like.
Ah. Thank you.
No, not worth your effort. It is a highly technical and mathematical paper that nonetheless reaches conclusions that should be qualitatively obvious on consideration. The crux—from my personal view—is the single sentence I quoted (I had extracted it earler, when the paper was public), which makes clear that the whole “park factors” process is irretrieveably contaminated by the frequent changes in parks (as I go into in detail on the linked page).
We can get a crude idea of park factors readily enough—San Diego and Colorado obviously play very differently—but the idea that we can reduce those impressions to numbers accurate enough to do exact calculations with is to make a cat laugh.
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Well, if you change your mind, I have a copy of the pdf on my computer, and it would take all of ten seconds to e-mail it.
I agree completely with your final point.
Well . . .
. . . if you have already downloaded it, then yes, thank you. You can use webmaster-at-highboskage-dot-com. And again, thank you.
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Got it.
My thanks yet again.
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I’ve read it, and it’s a puzzling argument. Of course park factors cannot be perfectly precise, any more than a player’s batting numbers perfectly describe his abilities. But if a player hits .300/.350/.450 over a period of years while another hits .300/.325/.400, we can be pretty confident that player A is better than player B, and we can assign a value to that difference: 11 runs, or 7%, or however you want to express it. The value’s going to be off a bit (maybe it’s really 14 runs, or 5%, or whatever), but at least you now have a best guess. That’s better than throwing up your hands and saying “It’s all too complicated.”
Do we really need numbers
to tell us that AT&T is a good place to pitch?
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Wow
The Rockies are 9.5 out.
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jul 17, 2011 5:51 PM PDT reply actions
Just enough margin to buffer that 37 game winning streak they will inevitably begin
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There has been some trading Ubaldo scuddlebutt recently though… makes me think they might not believe in Rocktober quite as much this year.
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jul 17, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
It makes no sense for them to trade Ubaldo, though (unless they secretly know he has some lingering health problem which will destroy his productivity for years to come). I think I read today they have him signed for three more years for like $17 million or something. It’s be pretty bizarre to get rid of him considering that contract and the way he pitched last year.
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Well, they seem to want the farm in return for him. I saw they wanted Montero, Banuelos, and a couple others from the Yankees.
When the Giants askef about Montero
The Yanks asked for Cain. I don’t blame the Rockies for asking for the world either.
Montero is ridiculously overrated.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He can catch. He may not stick there, but that’s not a matter upon which there is universal agreement.
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Everything I’ve heard/read is that he can’t catch. That’s the problem.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 17, 2011 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot?
He has a career ERA of 3.60, despite pitching half his games at Coors. He has a career ERA+ of 131 in 838 innings and averages over 200 IP per year.
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What I don't know
Is if he is the overpowering guy from the first half of ‘10 or the good but not great pitcher he’s been the rest of his career.
His BABIP is up about 20 points, which explains most of his “struggles” this year. Everything else is close to the exact same he’s been since 2009 (136, 164, 111). He’s a very good pitcher.
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He finished 3rd in Cy Young voting
That seems successful.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
absolutely, but it's been humid here in Denver this summer
monsoon season has hit like a bitch.
Balls aren’t carrying anywhere near what they usually do. It was hot today though, and that can start to offset it.
If your weather comes from our direction don’t get too excited. It has been absolutely LOVELY here for the past week. High temps never getting over 85˚. Totally unheard of for the central valley in mid July.
NOT THAT I’M COMPLAINING OH WEATHER GODS AND GODDESSES… We’ve maybe had the a/c on for 5 hours in the past 10 days. LOVE IT!!
These are different Rockies.
Their bullpen has been a mess all year. We flip out when Wilson has a near miss meltdown. Have you ever watched the Rocks for an extended stretch? No fun being a fan and having to depend on that group of relievers.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd watch Rockies relievers
only to harbor the hope of catching a Matt parade.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
Just saw Matt Albers pitch for the Red Sox. The Rockies need to get him.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
nobody mentioned the suspicions
behind the Rockies home second half runs and humidor balls….
Trade Sabean/jk...Overthrow the Ydorks...
I am sad to report that Huston Street no longer has given up as many HRs as the entire SF bullpen.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
Is Wilson maybe just over used? Seems like the Giants need their closer 5 out of 7 games. Is that “normal”? Last year, this year, they can’t ever seem to win a game by a “non save situation” number.
I think you’re onto something. Hopefully Bochy starts giving him a rest. The back-to-back-to-back saves are wearing on him I think. It’s not like we don’t have any other options with Romo and Lopez down there. Even Affeldt looks somewhat trustworthy lately.
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jul 17, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy has started to do that
He used Lopez and Romo is save situations a couple times so far – after Wilson has gone 3 strraight. Giants need closer more cause they play so damn many close games.
Wilson was injured to start the year
IIRC, he still logged career appearances in the 1st half of the season.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe that if you include the All Star Break, he’d pitched something like 7 out of 10 days. That’s obscene.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m worried about Lopez and Affeldt too in a way. They’re pitching probably more than most relievers do and it’s almost always in situations like today where they can’t make any mistake. At some point, either one of the relievers or the starting pitchers is going to have a complete physical and nervous breakdown from having to constantly carry the offense. I’ve always seen Cain as maybe one or two Cainings away from going postal in the dugout
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 17, 2011 6:28 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Giants Baseball: "Where Relievers Can't Afford to Make a Mistake"
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants Baseball: “Where Relievers Pitchers Can’t Afford to Make a Mistake”
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions
the stats back this up
Giants relievers have thrown more high leverage innings that any team in the NL, and only behind the Angels over all.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
For some reason, I find the idea of the pitchers collectively going postal hilarious.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Jonathan Sanchez is getting lit up in A ball
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 5:53 PM PDT reply actions
from Baggs
Sanchez allows a three-run home run in the second … that’s 6 runs on 6 hits in 2 innings … a walk to the #9 hitter started the rally.
LOL that’s Sanchez
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by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
That's our Jonny!
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by nothingbutnet003 on Jul 17, 2011 6:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is he throwing strikes?
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Wow I can’t see him coming back up
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by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Zito and all, I like our rotation as it is
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It’s ugly, but we really shouldn’t read too much from one start, especially if he’s actually hurt.
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by El Person on Jul 17, 2011 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
its not good either way
either hes getting lit up because he has poor control or that hes still hurt. either way I dont see him coming up anytime soon
How many walks?
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Already reported, I see. NM.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
2 in a little over 2 innings
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 17, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Bad pace. He can give up hits while he rehabs without raising my eyebrows, but walks are my bright red flag. He shouldn’t be walking A-ballers.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt 0-3 with 2 walks
Pill 2-4 with a home run (seriously, why not call this guy up instead of the catcher?)
Roger K 1-4 with a home run
Culbie 2-4
Brown 0-2 (still in progress)
Panik (don’t mind if I do) 1-1
I dont know why either pill or belt were not called up
sanchez is looking over-matched hector that is
To be fair, Sanchez has only had three plate attempts
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by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Why not remember . . .
. . . that Whiteside is now being more productive at the plate than most or all of the realistic alternatives, and in a way that seems sustainable? (All he’s done compared to his career is somewhat up his walks rate.) Why trade for what you have?
HSanchez may be over-matched—he had an ugly K today—but he has hit the ball pretty solidly in several of his outs. Still, his catching clearly needs some work. I’d say “Nice try, kid, we really liked it, but not yet—see ya next spring” and be done with it.
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by owlcroft on Jul 17, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree with everything except the sustainable part
I think Whiteside is on a hot streak.
Not so.
I posted the hard numbers on two different threads here in the last day or two. His current stat line looks exactly like his career line pro-rated for 2011 play time, except for the walks. Remember that measuring of hitting is corrupted by the imbecile concept of “at bats”. For a set number of hits, the batting average rises as the line (for a set number of actual plate appearances) includes more walks, because walks reduce at bats. By walking more with the same number of hits as ever, Whiteside raises his batting average (as Huff and some others did last year). Since strike-zone judgement may reasonably be thought to improve as playing time goes from sporadic to regular, there is good reason to think the improvement may well be sustainable.
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We need more catchers in the lineup
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 17, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
/Bochy grabs a bat
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jul 17, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t get it either. No quotes or anything about his situation. Maybe he’s a trade chip and they bring him up and risk losing value.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
belt not being up is due to them wanting to give him consistent at bats
but out of the two sanchez and belt, belt is more prepared for major league pitching and there is a need for offense from either a corner OF spot (rotate cody and belt etc…) or really from first base I don’t know how many more AB’s I can stand to watch from huff
I truly want to believe Belt will be called upon if Huff continues to struggle. I want to believe…
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I dont see that happening soon maybe in august or september
don’t get me wrong I want him up now but, we all know that bork is going to give Huff any and every chance possible to redeem himself at the plate. at this point huff is painful to watch at the plate. But I don’t want to see belt up in SF on the bench five out of six games if he comes up he has to start at least four games a week (If it were me 5-6 with occasional breaks) I don’t think that shuffling him between first and the outfield will hurt him. at the lest if he is called up he can take pitches and not look as bad as huff
that's why I think bringing Pill up would have been a decent option
granted, he’s not a solution by any means, but he can be a platoon guy for a bit with Huff and he plays a good 1b. In theory, he might bring a little pop from the right side and with Burrell being out that might not be such a bad thing to have on the bench late in the game.
Bringing Sanchez up at this point and then not starting him just doesn’t make any sense to me. If you want to see what you have before making a trade, play the guy.
same situation see above
If bork won’t take huff out for belt one of our top prospects why would he do it for Pill? Pill will just sit the bench like belt like h. sanchez. It is just going to be a waiting game I say if huff is like this two weeks from now then belt is called up
okay, but then Sanchez would be in AAA with Decker
honing his catching skills and getting at bats. At this point, he is a better prospect than Pill and I would think that it is more important to get him regular playing time than Pill.
So it doesn’t matter how well Pill hits? If he isn’t currently on the 40 man, he wont be an option? Sounds nutty to me. Okay, so he isn’t a 2nd baseman, so what? The Giants could use bats.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
okay, I get that, but at least he can platoon with Huff
and he has more experience hitting at a higher level than Sanchez, who is a third catcher.
I know Pill can’t play second.
Maybe bring up Jesus Guzman?
He could prolly do well, pinch hitting and spot starts at 1B
Oh wait …
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you know who is good?
Matt fucking Cain, that’s who.
did they boo him like crazy in AZ?
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
sweet
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
At least he's better than Bumgarner
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It’ll be interesting to see where Bumgarner ranks on Fangraph’s trade value series. I bet he clocks in at the #10-15 range.
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I was expecting mid-20s. At this point, part of me is expecting that he won’t make the top 50 at all, which would be beyond ridiculous.
I really think we’ll see him on Tuesday.
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Not in there today. Either tomorrow or not at all.
Which is kind of odd.
And these guys have not been named yet, according to a poster in teh coments. (i didn’t do the foot work on this one)
Longoria
Zimmerman
Heyward
Pedroia
Votto
Upton
McCutchen
Bautista
Tulowitzki
I guess Bum could make it in there still.
Pedroia? He’s got about 30 mil left over the next three seasons, and while that is good value, it doesnt seem like top 10 value to me. But it does seem like good enough value to have been named already.
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YES!
There’s this place around here that serves a polenta burger with asiago cheese. It’s really yummy.
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
Where is “here”? That sounds great.
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Chick-O-Peas in Berkeley. :)
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Polenta is polenta.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Corn Tortilla is good
not as good as flour but good in certain situations
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They’re not actively bad.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 17, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It depends on what is going inside
To me.
They each serve their own purposes.
Although, I don’t think anyone in Mexico would say they prefer the flour tortilla. Alas, I am a “greengo”
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, I believe that is what is generally thought . . .
. . . by fanciers of Mexican food. In any event, I agree.
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Was at the game, with my Padre-fan parents
When I told my 68-yo mom that Rowand wasn’t starting, she inquired, “Was he all pooped out from yesterday?”
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by SnowLeopard on Jul 17, 2011 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What is her handle here?
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
My mom spends time
on HuffPo, online bridge, and shopping sites. No SB sports.
The “poopin” thing may have been my influence …
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Go forth and spread the Godspell!
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Day by day
Day by day
Day by day
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by shanghaijim on Jul 17, 2011 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Did it feel like you were at AT&T
what, with all the Giants fans?
Atta babe, good pick.
I went yesterday, and while it did not feel like AT&T, it was still unlike any other away series.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions
If you had to guess, what percentage were Giants fans?
And is this a new thing? I don’t remember it ever being like that. But it’s the coolest thing ever.
Atta babe, good pick.
Even last year the crowd was noticeably pro-Giants, albeit not like this.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I couldn’t tell from the cheers as I was doing other stuff while listening/watching when the Giants did good stuff rather than the Mads.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The September series I went to last year was very pro-Giants. THose are the only two series I have been to at Petco, so I do not know if it is really new or not. Probably 3:1 or 4:1 Giants/Pads
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait
3:1 Giants:Pads???
that’s ridiculous!
Atta babe, good pick.
Sorry. other way around
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Impressive nonetheless
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Is there any other team that can do that in an away stadium? Was that what it was like for the Bosox last year at AT&T?
I feel like right now we have the best fans in baseball.
Atta babe, good pick.
Philadelphia in Washington. 75-80% Phillies fans.
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Looked it up.
And you, sir, are right.
The opener in Washington was basically a Phillies home game.
Atta babe, good pick.
I remember watching the game. The Nats PA announcing Jayson Werth and hearing loud boos. Also heard boos when there were chants of “Let’s go Nats!”. Phillies fans acted as if it was their ball park.
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Cubs Brewers, I'd imagine.
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No
cuz ATT would never in a million have 20k Pads fans to go along with 15k Giants fans :)
Also, PetCo is nice – certainly nicer than Qualcomm/Jack Murphy was – but not as nice as The Phone.
Before flying down, being a not-so-into-confrontation kind of person, I was expecting to keep my mouth shut today (and yesterday). But I was cheering, whooping, shouting out encouragement to our guys, wearing a Giants shirt – either Pad fans are polite, or they knew that there was an imperial fuckton of orange and black (and Panda hats) in the house.
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That sounds like a lot of fun. I’m glad they were cordial, and I feel like they have to be because it’s AT&t south. My only away game this year was at the Ravine for opening day, the Brian Stow game, and it was one of the worst experiences of my life.
Atta babe, good pick.
And that might also be a part of the SD phenomena: if you could choose to see the Giants at the latrine or the pet store, which would you prefer. Maybe people are just forgoing the trip to the latrine and heading down to SD.
Yeah despite the Padres and their annoying ways
I would much rather see a game at the pet store and then walk around the Gaslamp after the game then go to the latrine, watch Giants fans get pelted with stuff and harassed until they have to get security and have somebody arrested, which is what happened in my section on opening day.
Atta babe, good pick.
They seemed nice enough, but also lame enough to allow this to happen.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
For some reason
he reminds me of Eckstein but with talent
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So far we are
7/9 against the D-Backs
7/11 against the Rockies
5/9 against the Dodgers
6/10 against the Padres
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I would like for the Giants to be better than
7-12 against the NL East
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The Giants haven’t face the Phillies yet.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yeah
but who the heck can beat the Nationals?
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Thanks for the summary, yoshi.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The seven Phillies games coming up scare me.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Our record against the Dodgers
is a bit disappointing.
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
The opening series didn't help.
Rally Jerry!
But I'm glad
that the Giants are now in first place in the division.
Nintendo, Yoshi, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fan.
Imagine if we had an average offense...
Rally Jerry!
winning within the division is how you get to October.
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Winning more games than anyone else in the division is how.
It helps to win against divisional rivals, but is not necessary.
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No, it is not necessary.
But I would wager that less than 10% (maybe even 5%) of all teams that make the playoffs as division winners had a higher winning % inside the division than vs outside teams.
It’s probably as rare as winning 90+ games with a negative run differential.
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by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 7:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It would make an interesting study . . .
. . . that’s for sure. Me, I’m real lazy these days (or these years).
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SSS, but . . .
In the last two years, 8 of the 12 division winners had a better record in-division than out of division. Exceptions: 2009 Yankees, 2009, Angels, 2010 Rays, 2010 Giants.
I would guess that it highly depends on the makeup of the division. In a division with at least 3 strong teams (AL East) or a lot of evenly-matched teams (2010 NL West), those teams are going to beat up on each other and drive the divisional records closer to .500, so the championship will really be decided on who does better against all the other teams. But if the division is weaker and/or uncompetitive, the top team is going to beat up on its division and rack up a high divisional record, while the non-divisional record will be lower due to playing stronger teams outside the division.
There is zero atmosphere in TB compared to Philly, SF, Boston, NY (or any other Sunday night visit by ESPN).
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Poor Rays- nice team, easy to root for, thoroughly doomed because of the stadium
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Jul 17, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Or the state
Florida teams have notoriously poor fan support
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by nothingbutnet003 on Jul 17, 2011 6:37 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Or are playing in the Grapefruit League?
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The Jacksonville Jaguars find this statement both hilarious and depressing.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Don’t the Buccaneers get blacked out all the time?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
yeah
they have the worst attendance in the nfl i believe
by panda revival on Jul 17, 2011 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe college Football?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
I feel like even USF and UCF get more support then the jaguars and buccaneers
by panda revival on Jul 17, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
THIS
College sports seem to be king in the South.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder why?
i’ll ask my professors next semester if i can write a research paper about it.
I shall report back on my results
by panda revival on Jul 17, 2011 7:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know. I know that for a long time, the South was underrepresented by pro teams/population. Perhaps it just became part of the culture to root for college teams, and it is hard to shake?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And to think
the Giants had bags packed, ready to perform for that tepid fan base.
Thank you Peter Magowan!!
So, per PR,
The Rox have extended their current Sunday losing streak to 13.
Someone hasn’t been saying his prayers.
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
And I’m sure thats when attendance is at its highest, too. The fans are getting screwed. From what I’ve read about them, I’m happy about it.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Jul 17, 2011 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions
It's because on the 7th day, Bonds Rested.
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I think it was this guy (also from PR):
I’m willing to concede the rest of this year since no one is catching the Giants anyways (Hey! Well would you look at that? They’re about to win a 1 run game, in extras, scoring the game winning run on a single/SB/throwing error/squeeze! What a change of pace for them!).
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
The funny thing is, there are a large number of backhanded Giant compliments/admiration squeals in their PGT. Pretty clear though that it’s mostly out of frustration.
"And you fueled and energized this group, all the way through the crazy month of September. And into what was an epic month of October, and what was one glorious day of November." - Kruk
About our offense?
Our pitching, yes, I could understand.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
THEIR FURY/ ANGER/ FRUSTRATION
IT NOURISHES ME
SWING AND A MISS! AND THAT'S IT! The Giants are world series champions, and they come pouring out of the dugout!
-Duane Kuiper
by nothingbutnet003 on Jul 17, 2011 6:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately ...
they’re mostly from my hometown, Vallejo.
Yeah, you! “Mike in Vallejo” make some sense when you call!
"Sharp grounder hit to Uribe to Thompson, for one, to Clark- DOUBLE PLAY!"
by FanFavoriteNo36 on Jul 17, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions
All of this possible because the bullpen has been so dominant this year
But of course, Nobody ever looks at the run prevention side of extra inning games. That we strike motherfuckers out so we can win because of oscillation in BABIP in extra innings.
Math. it’s hard.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
teams do tend to forget how to play baseball against the Giants in the late innings. And when they don’t, Nate Schierholtz.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
whew
we listened to the second half of the game on the way back from a soccer-watching party. man oh man, the US team had it and choked. multiple times. that was really sad.
yeah, so Wilson is now known as Frogger to me. He never takes the straight route, the easy route, it’s always forward, backward, backward, sideways, left, right, down, back, up, luck, luck, endgame.
I, as a fan of the Giants, fear the beard™ more than opponents probably do.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Fear the beard, indeed.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I fear the beard so much that I have conceded to not even watching it pitch anymore.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
KNBR is comedy
Some of these callers are hilariously bad, and Urban entertains their stupidity. But when a smart caller calls in and talks about how Wilson isn’t the best reliever on the team, the guy gets blasted.
TRADE BELT FOR BELTRAN! WIN NOW!
Those people are idiots
because that worked so well from 2005-2008
I can't listen.
So I don’t. It just pisses me off, and not in the good way.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Urban is clueless.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
BJ Upton just hit a weak popup on the first pitch
GIT R DUN SABEZ FUTURE GIANT
according to dave and chris singleton
You should eat at “400 Beach” if you’re ever in the Tampa Bay-St. Petersburg area.
Game Summary:
Stop dressing like a penguin, and throw strikes. I’ll find his antics entertaining when Wilson actually earns the save.
by WasabiTorture on Jul 17, 2011 6:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Fair point.
He would not give the low strike! But still, Wilson should have adapted and he didn’t. Truly a lucky save. But we won, so all’s well.
by WasabiTorture on Jul 17, 2011 6:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed.
I feel like Mat…Failing like that.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Extra innings wins always feel more sweet...
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
The only problem with clicking a subject line is that it doesn’t make the subject line itself disappear.
Hey Mat
Get ready for the Giants’ kiss!
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
So I was going to watch Inland Empire tonight, but...
I just realized it’s 3 ENTIRE HOURS LONG! WTF!
Watch Mullholand Drive instead.
Then Chinatown. Then Sunset Boulevard. Then Beverly Hills Cop.
Atta babe, good pick.
If the Phillies stick with a 5-man rotation (day off July 21st), the Giants will miss Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee in Philly.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yes, please. Not that it matters. The Giants will make anyone look like Halladay or Lee.*
Offer does not apply to 2010 playoffs.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions
As of right now, the Giants would face Vance (Jo Anne) Worley, Kyle Kendrick and Cole Hamels.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ugh
This is going to be like that Philadelphia series in 2009 where the Giants allowed two runs and lost the series.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
DIRTBAG!
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Qoelwy, that is
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Worley
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Do the Phillies play somebody “more important” than the Giants after the Giants series? You know, like Atlanta or something?
that’d be nice.
and considering they do not play well in SF, the next series with them should not be too tough either.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jul 17, 2011 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, probably. but the Phillies really have not played well at AT&T in recent memory.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jul 18, 2011 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions
If they skip just one starter, Halladay goes Thursday vs. SF.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If Kyle Kendrick is skipped on Friday, we will see Halladay.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Tampa Bay Rays Stadium just hit a new low
A ball hit something on the catwalk and broken glass rained down on to the field
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
It hit one of the lights. Dave said that people on the field picked up the glass and immediately dropped it — still very hot.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions
“They are still playing baseball in Oakland, so you don’t need to get too down on Tampa.” Burn.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Then they played this song. LOL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y25stK5ymlA
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jul 17, 2011 7:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Awesome line from Lookout Landing
…but does anyone believe the Mariners got shut down because they were playing the Rangers? It’s my belief that the Mariners got shut down because they were playing baseball.
Monday Monkey lives for the weekend, sir.
#HatsOffSEA is being used much the same way as #HatsOffSF, albeit with less gusto.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Ugh
on KNBR marty lurie “I dont think that H. sanchez will get starts he’ll get in in double switches”
he's not wrong thats the problem
the kid needs consistent at-bats so he should be down in fresno
Hmmmm… we are watching MLB Network’s “Best Plays of the First Half” I’m guessing Jeter, Jeter, and more Jeter will be #5-1
I’m terrible watching these things. If there aren’t a few Giants plays in the mix I get cranky. Well, that and the walk off homeruns bore me.
We should have our own network like the Yankees have YES.
That would be even better
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
This on your TV now? My MLB Network has “Best Nicknames in MLB History”.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Willie Mays #5 on the best nicknames countdowns (Babe Ruth, Pete Rose, Ty Cobb and Cool Papa Bell ahead).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I was reminded of two things today...
My day REALLY goes better when the Giants win,
and I am way too irrationally, emotionally invested in the Harry Potter characters. Srsly, 7.1 and 7.2 combine for 4.5 hours of tears and verklemptitude. I’m a 37 y.o. man for fuck’s sake. What is wrong with me?
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
Nothing. Nothing at all!
(Also, I can’t freaking wait to watch 7.2 this week. Meant to go this weekend, but it didn’t work out. Getting the tear ducts ready.)
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
I went today and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
But I didn’t cry. Brought a hankie and everything. It was good, tho.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
I went to my first Giants game of the year
It was nice going to Petco to see more than 60% of the fans wearing Giant colors. It was practically a home game and most of all good to see us win. I sat in RF Sec. 131 wearing the Cain shirt and the Reebok Giants shoes. Sloppy game defensively and I wasn’t sure if the Giants could of won in the 9th with Burriss on 3rd with 1 out and a grounder to the right side of the IF. Oh well, we out Padre’d the Padres. I’ll take it.
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Proud Adoptive Parent of one of the best Five Tool Players, The Machine.
Decided to do the Major league equivalencies for a few of our guys in the minors
AVG/OBP/SLG
Brett Pill- .268/.298/.445. Not good for a first baseman but till roughly 90 points higher in OPS than Huff.
Brandon Belt- .283/.393/.458. Almost 200 points high in OPS than Huff.
Thomas Neal- .257/.288/.348. Not for real yet, still has time though.
Travis Ishikawa- .213/.297/.316. YIKES.
Tyler Graham- .238/.280/.301. Obviously not a great hitter. Could be a pinch runner come September. Possibly better than Ford.
Edgar Gonzalez- .268/.316/.358. Probably a better option than Burriss and Hall.
Conor Gillaspie- .248/.299/.370. BLAHHH
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 17, 2011 7:54 PM PDT reply actions
CM PUNK...
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Bay City Ball: Huff sucks big time
http://www.baycityball.com/2011/07/17/4-3/
4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 HR off Heath Bell 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3 4-3…
is this real?
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on Jul 17, 2011 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
The thing I don’t fucking understand about Huff (and get mildly enraged about) is why he doesn’t try and go the other way…..
He seems to have nothing but success when he does that.
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jul 17, 2011 8:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff's singles yesterday and today
were basically ground outs to 2B (and 1B) that got by the infielders
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Um,
. . . every hit by anyone, save a home run, is basically an out that the fielders missed.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
No
some hits are lasers over the infielders heads. Some hits are bullets down the line. Some hits are rockets into the gap. Some hits are smoked off the wall. Some hits are smashed up the middle.
And some are nice smooth rollers to the spot where the second baseman would have been, had he not been shifted, but the second baseman comes damn close to scooping up anyway.
(and those last type of knocks are less heartening to someone hoping that their team’s first baseman is gonna break out of his habit of chronic 4-3ing)
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Every hit that does not leave the field of play on the fly could, in principle, have been caught by a properly positioned and reasonably competent fielder.
I understand what you’re trying to say. But to blame a pull hitter because he pulls the ball seems, um, a bit harsh. When a player struggles, all of a sudden everyone knows what a bum he is, and all the “obvious” things he’s doing wrong, even though they’re mostly all the same things he was doing when he was a hero. This is baseball: it was designed to break your heart, remember? Get over it or find another fancy.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I'll say it again, slightly differently
Types of singles that would have left me more excited than the types of singles I watched Huff actually get:
- A line drive over the infielders and in front the outfielders
- A gapper the outfielders cut off quickly
- A bouncer through the hole
- A hard smash that the third baseman or shortstop had to eat
- A long liner down the line that he stumbled while running out, so he had to get back to first rather than take second
- A drag bunt (?)
The two hits he did get, grounders to the right side not especially hard hit, did not leave me feeling any more optimistic about return on investment for the remaining ~$15m
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I always thought . . .
. . . that the “E” on scoreboards was “errors”, not excitement. You may perhaps be acquainted with the old baseball humorism “Looks like a line drive in the box score”?
But let’s get down to it. Aubrey Huff is in the twelfth year of a career that is not Hall of Fame, but is fairly distinguished. In 5 of those 12 years, he posted a TOP over 1000 (there are only 31 men in all MLB—about one a team—at such a level in 2011). Last year, Huff posted his second-highest TOP, 1121, and was the offensive hero of the team that won the World Series, not to mention being a great clubhouse influence and a fan favorite (and for more than just his between-the-lines numbers).
In 2011, Huff is having the worst year of his career. There seems nothing physically wrong with him, and that his actual ability changed nontrivially in six months is an idea too silly to even mention. He is, without any doubt, giving it all that he has, and equally without doubt he is suffering in the way that only a professional athlete with pride can suffer when he is failing, failing himself, his teammates, and his fans. Very probably, whatever it is will eventually—which could be tomorrow—turn itself around, but there is always the fluke chance that nothing will drop in for the rest of the year.
What is the apprpriate reaction to these facts? I submit that it is not to make sarcastic remarks about the man’s performance or character or anything else. Lacking any probable cause, we have to assign it to bad luck at the outset, now no doubt compounded by a combination of some bad habits, mostly trying to do too much, of the sort men inevitably pick up in the midst of prolonged runs of bad luck (so that a random process becomes a partially caused one), plus fatigue, because there really is no alternative and he has been played relentlessly (look it up). Brandon Belt, for all the love around here, has yet to demonstrate that he was ready for the promotion forced on him; whatever he will be—and probably that’s a lot, and maybe it’ll happen soon—was not a viable alternative, and still won’t be for days, maybe weeks, maybe months yet.
Huff’s woes are the sorts of things that can, and virtually always, at some point, do turn around. I do not see how or why we need people kicking him when he’s down.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
1. If we cut out the sarcasm about players’ performance or character or anything else, SB Sports would be mighty lonely place
2. My guess is that Aubrey spends exponentially more time in Marina bars than he does reading McC and getting is feelings hurt by people’s disturbing lack of faith his inevitable resurgence
3. I too would like to believe that homie will turn it around. Point being: him getting a single by hitting a rocket into the gap would have me feel more optimism concerning said turnaround than him getting a single on a slow grounder to the second base position (which demonstrates to me that it’s more likely that he’s still stuck in his “bad habits”)
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by SnowLeopard on Jul 18, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
My, my.
My guess is that Aubrey spends exponentially more time in Marina bars than he does reading McC . . . . Ah, so being vicious is OK if it’s unlikely that the subject—to whom one would never dream of saying such things in person (even from inside a shark cage)—is unlikely to see or hear them. Not my personal view, mais chacun à son goût.
As I said, slumps end when they end. He might go 4/5 today and keep it going like a house afire for the rest of the season, or he might do that next week, or he might not do it at all this season. There is no way to know. But his lengthy career provides plenty of cause to believe that he is very unlikely to keep hitting as he did in the first half, so all that can reasonably be done is to run him out there—though giving him some rest now and again wouldn’t hurt things.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I usually respect your opinion as you post it here
but you’re being really weird in this thread.
On the flight down to San Diego last, I talked to a woman who said she that she bartends in an establishment in the Marina. She said that a number of the Giants come in a lot. She gave her opinion that Timmy is really cool, Burrell gives her the creeps, and that she enjoyed it when Huff sang to her.
So – he hangs out in at least one Marina bar. I’m gonna guess he’s visited more than one during the past 1.5 years. And I’m gonna guess that he spends zero time reading McC and having his feelings hurt.
Assuming all those fairly safe guesses are accurate, my statement “My guess is that Aubrey spends exponentially more time in Marina bars than he does reading McC” is only inaccurate in that it’s not exponentially more, it’s infinitely more more time. Also, yes, that’s something I’d say to Huff’s face. And, no, it was not a “vicious” comment in any sense of the word.
Also – I don’t understand why you keep saying in this thread that Huff might have a resurgence this year. I never said that I feel certain that Huff is done, in this thread or anywhere. Who are you replying to/arguing with here? The people who say things in other threads like “Dump Huff, bring in Belt right away”? Jack Moore’s recent article in Fangraphs (http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/aubrey-huffs-dead-cat-bounce/) suggesting that 2010 was a fluke, and that Huff is done? Well, if so: your time might be better served going to argue with them directly.
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My feeling is . . .
. . . that remarks about players unpopular because they are in protracted slumps spending time in Marina bars is a fairly clear suggestion that those players are essentially dogging it, not giving care or time or effort to their games. Obviously, in the real world there is no conflict between working like a man possessed and having some fun time out; but the connotation—unavoidable, I’d say—of remarks about Marina bars is that the guy is a lazy fuckoff.
And the issue is not about “his feelings”, because he probably (but far from certainly) does not lurk around here; it is about things that are or are not civilized to say about decent people come on hard times. (Things such as snide allusions to Marina bars.) Whether or not they are likely ever to hear them.
But I think this is another of the many things in this world that, if one wants or needs it explained, never can be explained to that one. Or maybe Judith Martin could do it.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
The last I watched the Rock was still champ.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I watched the MIB, the Orton match, and the CM Punk match
Pretty entertaining.
Watched a free stream of course
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
So did I, no shame. :)
UP THE PUCKS!
"This is a good time to come together and raise our middle finger in the air." - Dan Boyle
by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 17, 2011 8:13 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s no difference than watching a bad prime time TV show with bad writing (WWE has awful writers). I don’t watch much but I do still read the news.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Which makes it hilarious. Like 49er16 said though, the Punk storyline is pretty great.
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 17, 2011 8:32 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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Top of the 10th, 0-0
Dave must feel right at home
He’s called a good game. Whatever impression the big networks may have had of him, he hasn’t done anything to hurt it.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 8:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Yikes... screw that
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
So, thinking i'll take my girlfriend to a giants game when she's here
she’ll be here from the 26th until the 2nd, so the only game would be the DBacks game. Only question now is where in the park should i get tickets? Club outfield, lowerbox, view box… options
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
her first time ever to California and first time ever west of the Mississippi
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Anything with a good view of the bay. Non-baseball people love the views.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 8:23 PM PDT up reply actions
haha, personally i want to just watch some baseball and spend some time with my girl.
AGREED on the view box, love the arcade and the first base line seats
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I think the right field pavillion is a cool spot for an out of towner
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And I'm vehemently against View Reserved
Yah you have nice views but you’re so far from the field that you don’t really get a good feel of being at a game
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
that’s why i’m thinking either view box or possibly club level
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
yup... kinda pricey, but enough to both watch the game and get some views.
although view reserved is where we’d sit for years from 2000-2005
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One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
ok, so i'm thinking section 228, first row
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
hmmm first row huh?
we like to be a little closer to home plate, but first row is good, especially if she’s short.
LOL
she’s not even much of a baseball fan, JUST an indians fan, thats bout it. How bout bleacher seats as a romantic time with my girl
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
she’s not even much of a baseball fan, JUST an indians fan
That works really well, because the Indians aren’t much of a baseball team.
The first six innings are overrated.
wait... /looks at standings... THEYRE OK, MAYBE NOT AWESOME, BUT OK
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Yet, still in 1st place.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Go Indians
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Never sell low on Mark Shapiro.
Like the Terminator, they’ll be back.
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Bleachers would not be very romantic, and if it’s a dbacks game things could get pretty drunk and icky out in the bleachers. If you were going with some buddies from college…I’d say, “Sure sit in the bleachers.” With your honey, if you can afford it Club would be better.
Club it is then Merope!
i think i’ll do the section 228, row A, since it’s A) on the 3rd base side, B) good views since it’s somewhat high enough, but at the same time, section 203 is the same thing just other side of the field
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203 might be a bit colder
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thats the point i think... :)
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In my experience
Left field seats are the worst, though I haven’t sat in the upper level left field seats.
Also, the higher up in the stadium you are, the better the view of the park and the bay.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
yup, on either side of the park too... just not way out in left
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It must have sucked for the people sitting in the auxiliary press box last October. They got the worst seats.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I like my seat in View Reserved near home plate.
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yea, those arent bad... trying to find a good site to find tickets
the giants website, stubhub….
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Stub Hub you can choose your location.
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that's true! so i might just stick with stubhub
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yea
it definitely is, like SFGuy said, get to choose your location, whereas giants website it just places you somewhere randomly
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The only way you can get your location without Stub Hub is to go to the Giants dugout stores or AT&T Park.
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yea, and by game day the tix are more expensive
plus i dont know if i’ll be able to get the seats. what about craigslist? not a terrible way to get some seats
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The thing about craigslist is the trustworthiness of the person selling it. It’s guaranteed on Stub Hub.
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StubHub has great customer service. They are really responsive, and often get you your tickets + credit if you have any problem.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Great points
used to use Ebay a ton, but now i’m big on stubhub. Been on the site for like an hour trying to figure out what section i should get tickets in haha
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The official section for McCoven should be 109.
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fuck it, section 109 it is
spending like 120 bucks on seats for that
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I’m guessing if she was here during the time of the two meet-ups, you wouldn’t take her to them.
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THE 20TH!?!?!??! WHAT THE FUCK GUYS
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dammit! i need to be around more often
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Isn’t it August?
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that would be better
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Isn’t it August?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
AUGUST 20TH!?!?!??! DAMMIT!!!
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that's better
I was like I CANT MAKE THAT
august is a different story
Make sure you take her down the slide
Chicks love that
Atta babe, good pick.
AND TO BUILD A FUCKIN BEAR
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Make her a Lou Seal?
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She'd probably want a Chief Wahoo
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I vote Bleachers
Sitting in the Bleachers and abusing Garrett Anderson and Rajai Davis was one of the things that made me a Giants fan
It’s a date not sitting with his frat boy buddies.
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Yeah, you generally should avoid heckling on a date unless you know he/she is into that kind of thing.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Keeper.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
keeper, big time
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I think trading Wilson wouldn’t be the best idea for the Giants. Yeah there is the fan backlash, but the thing is what would the Giants get in return? The deal for K-Rod certainly wasn’t netting a lot for the mets, granted they were just dumping him, and I think that with teams interested in acquiring Wilson, would be more of the name rather than what Wilson brings to the table as a closer. Unless if the Giants could get like hanrahan and mccutchen from the bucs, no trade will be worth it for Wilson.
Besides, one thing Bochy always seems to do really well is manage a pitching staff. I have faith in Bochy to quit over using Wilson and begin more use of Romo, and also maybe Affeldt and Lopez.
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Giants baseball: TORTURE
...and the home of the... JETS!
by GiantsfaninNY55 on Jul 17, 2011 8:28 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
The Giants don’t need to trade for a relief pitcher. They have enough. Given how little value relief pitchers have, a good return would be much smaller than what you think. Closers are overrated on the trade market. Rodriguez had special concerns that are absent with Wilson.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I’m didn’t mean to sound as if Wilson alone is good enough to net 2 really good players. I was just saying the only way I’d trade an above average closer, is if it was a trade that couldn’t be refused.
Also considering that our previous closers where Brad Hennesey, Bentiez, Matt Herges, Jeremy Accardo, etc. Wilson has gotten the job done, albeit a call away from completely melting down on multiple occasions, since Rob Nenn. I do like the idea of using Romo in save situations from time to time.
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by GiantsfaninNY55 on Jul 17, 2011 8:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
You're overestimating the value of relievers
Since he became closer, Wilson has been less valuable (by rWAR) than Brett Myers.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
But that's a measure of merit, not value.
At any given moment, anything is “worth” exactly what someone will pay for it at that moment. Sometimes teams will, knowingly or unknowingly, pay well over what a particular player may be “worth” by merit, depending in part on that team’s wants and needs at that moment (and in part on their savvy in measuring merit).
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True
Closers are overrated on the trade market, which makes all the more reason to trade Wilson.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Ah, innocence.
Always a pleasure to see uncorrupted joy.
Meanwhile: opinion seems to divide rather sharply hereabouts over whether trading a closer can or cannot bring back a decent haul. I suppose one can find examples either way, so it may come down to this closer at this moment to that team. I have no real idea.
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I would say that Brian Wilson
is probably the only trading chit we have right now that other teams would value highly but that we could absorb the loss of with some degree of ease.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
The Nationals got Wilson Ramos for Matt Capps.
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Eh that's not really a great example
The Twins were desperate for help because of Nathan’s injury and at the time they thought Mauer was going to be their catcher for at least the next 5 years.
And hey. They made the playoffs.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Well, the Cardinals are desperate for relief pitching and they have a ton of good minor league starters.
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HUMMM
but then Davd Duncan sacrifice waht ever furry animals he uses, does his tiutal dance and WIlson is like 2010 for the next 3 years. And it is the Cards. I mean outside of teh Bums their isn’t a more annoying franchise in the NL in my book.
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Outside our division: that's what counts.
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logical and true
but i still have to resist the urge to have my dog relieve themselves on their lawn. Of coarse i always suceed in resisitng that urge Oficer. Honest!
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Also . . .
. . . if we want “annoying”:
. Atlanta’s chop and Chief Nokahoma
. Philadelphia’s green chicken, booing Santa Claus, Charlie Manuel
and the 2010 ASG, Shane Victorino . . . need one go on?
. Mr Met and fireworks for home runs when they’re down by 11
. Washington, the first and only park with trees in it!
. Florida, because they’re Florida
. Cincinnati, because of the ghost of Marge Schott and no beards and
the “Red Legs” chicken-out
. Milwaukee (need I mention Emperor Seligula?)
. Pittsburgh . . . aww, they’re cute, cut ’em some slack
. Chicago, just for the 7th-inning stretch (but also midwestern
homerism), but the no-padding fence, too
. Houston . . . OK, OK, the dome is gone, cut them some slack, too
. and intra-division you know
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ESPN, the network,
seems annoyed that the TB/Sox game is running way overtime.
It’s a terrific game, though scoreless, about which the network cares not. Also, the announcers don’t have the chops to amuse folk into the night. I’m liking the game fine, but I don’t much care for the result.
Bottom of 11, 0-0.
The non-steroid era will yield more of this than most of your lifetimes have seen.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I go Bums
then in #4 Cards,
Then #6 probably the Fish ( i really hate their current owner and thoose wild card round loses to them) then a another empty spot before the rest of the pile errm the pack.
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If they want to give us
Shelby Miller or Colby Rasmus I’m down.
But that isnt happening.
Also there is a huge PR aspect to it that can’t be ignored. Casual fans would lose their minds
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They have a lot of other talent in their minors. Tyrell Jenkins, Zack Cox and Oscar Taveras look appealing.
I doubt they would trade Carlos Martinez for anything.
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shift-A
My, what a beautiful and terrible game I seem to have missed.
You see that amazing catch??
UP THE PUCKS!
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by TheSoundOfHockey on Jul 17, 2011 8:35 PM PDT reply actions
DONATE YOUR GOD DAMN CAR TODAY
what the actual fuck, the hell is that kid gonna do with a car
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Vida Blue has a fence operation
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by Murray, Present on Jul 17, 2011 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Vida Blue told me to go to Nations
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"here are the keys to my acura tsx, have fun kids!!!!!!!"
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Quote from their website
Your car donation will benefit Kars4Kids, a d/b/a of Joy for Our Youth. JOY is a 501©(3), a national organization dedicated to addressing the educational, material, emotional and spiritual needs of Jewish children and their families.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew that jingle sounded catchy in a Jewish way.
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by Murray, Present on Jul 17, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL ME???? OH REALLY!?!?! haha, just playin
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no I mean i have the same feeling sometimes what are they going to do with a car they're kids
mostly because I find the jingle annoying. i just thought your comments were funny
haha, oh i know dude. i'm just jokin with ya
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I guess I've always been confused by that number
Isn’t that like 4 numbers too long? Or that includes the extension or something?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the “for” is actually a 4, and the final S is superfluous.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
It's just a mnemonic.
If you dial the whole thing, the last few presses do nothing but give you extra delightful booping sounds. (Notice how we still say “dial” for pressing buttons?)
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Ah, I see.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Somebody should make an rotary phone app
In fact, I bet there already is one.
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by Murray, Present on Jul 17, 2011 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh wow, there’s dozens.
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by Murray, Present on Jul 17, 2011 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Who then?
Giants and Padres?? The catchers would take care of that.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Everyone, just calm the fuck down.
Trade Wilson? Bench Wilson? Use Wilson the right way? Giving him a day off and using him more sparingly is probably the right thing to do at this juncture of the season, but in my opinion, he is my closer and now is not the time to be experimenting with the various roles the relievers fill in the bullpen. While I bitch about Bork’s management of the bullpen in certain situations, I think he has done a really good job and the relievers know their roles. But I’m not opposed to Romo, or Affeldt or Lopez giving Wilson a break if he has pitched a couple of days in a row.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:46 PM PDT reply actions
DONT TELL ME WHAT TO DO DAMMIT!!!!
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I’m just walking, here.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Now is exactly the time to experiment
Pitcher A is struggling. Pitcher B is destroying everyone. Pitcher A has pitched 30% more innings than Pitcher B.
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Tripping Buster Olney's twitter feed is pretty awesome
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by Murray, Present on Jul 17, 2011 8:47 PM PDT reply actions
What is with the lady with the dress behind home plate?
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sparkling dress
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tampa bay
So this is where Juan Cruz is these days.
OT: Camelot
Has anyone seen this show? It’s available on Netflix and I wanted to know if it was worth watching.
Good thing you didn’t misspell “Camelot”.
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It is a bit cheesy.
Not as cheesy as the BBC show, Merlin. But Finnes is really good in it as a scary-crazy Marlin.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 9:00 PM PDT up reply actions
It's shitty
Watch Game of Thrones instead
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I finally caught the Rick Barry commercial over the weekend.
To hell with his hair, whichever plastic surgeon did his work needs to be charged with malpractice. I honestly would not have recognized him. He looks like he has undergone a face transplant.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jul 17, 2011 8:59 PM PDT reply actions
LOL RED SOX
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LOL RED SOX
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
Very Giants of them
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
A few ejections? Price chirping from the dugout
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OT: but LOL sixties spiderman
see more Memebase After Dark"/>
Spider-Man is useless
No buildings to swing from
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
So the only usefful hero is one that swings?
I there there is Johnson joke in here somewhere…
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Congraulations! You won!
Won what, you say?
Well… The Game.
Official adoptive parent of... well, no one. Too much paperwork, I guess.
Breaking Bad:
Still awesome.
The first six innings are overrated.
Or what
Holy living fuck. Very Coen-y tonight.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
You see it coming just by who is in the room
But its still shocking as hell.
The first six innings are overrated.
It's the cold, cold look in Gus' eyes
and yet that one small moment where he seems to convey that he liked Victor, and this is what Walt has driven him to. What an amazing actor.
Plus, I could not keep my eyes off Aaron Paul the whole show. He hardly had a line and he was mesmerizing.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
Plus his whole demeanor in the diner scene, and Walt’s reaction to it. Pretty chilling.
The first six innings are overrated.
It's like Jesse grew up in an instant.
In the sneak preview scene he is partying with Badger & Skinny Pete, athough without the usual enthusiasm. He is frightening me. I hope he doesn’t die this season, but Gus killing Victor felt like foreshadowing.
Get well soon, Buster & Freddy. Welcome back Frodo. Please, please send Belt back to us.
That was pretty good
LOL @ The Walking Dead preview. Really revealing there.
/kills zombies with a rock
That is cray-z.
franklin morales
I forgot he was with the Red Sox now.
and carbon monoxide! stupid people with their Hummers and big trucks
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Small trucks are OK?
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if it's got low emissions sure
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Clever-title department on rest break.
Where I live, it is close to essential to have a vehicle that can carry sheet goods (things that come in 4′ × 8′ slabs) flat, not to mention the occasional several bales of hay. But even if it weren’t, I reckon it is my right to protect myself from lethal risks occasioned by the stupidity and incompetence of others; when I see cars passing me on the freeway whose drivers are reading newspapers or shaving, I feel 100% entitled to, in effect, drive an armored tank. If I can afford the gas, it’s my affair.
Institute a licensing system that actually requires more than sending in 25 cents and a Cheerios boxtop to get a permit to operate several tons of metal and glass in public at a mile a minute and I might reconsider, but not till then. Oh, and put some realistic limits in place on vehicle emissions, which could be a very great deal lower but might cost automakers 73 cents extra of their per-vehicle profit.
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Remember:
Their smoking is your revenge.
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on to the twelfth...
Dave should just skip tomorrow night’s game and return on Tuesday.
Johnny Damon bobblehead night but it’s for kids only. All of the bobblehead days for the Rays are kids only.
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Rays have a lot of postgame concerts. Already performed: REO Speedwagon, Darius Rucker, Avril Lavigne, Upcoming: The Go-Go’s, the Goo Goo Dolls, Miranda Cosgrave and Miranda Lambert.
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too many Go-Gos/Goo Goos
They need Gaga for the hat trick.
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by Murray, Present on Jul 17, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Wasn't that a Rex Stout novel?
Or was it Randall Garrett?
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No problems for the Huff or the Ross ones, though.
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I got one.
That one wasn’t as crazy because it looked like the game was going to be rained out, so a lot of people stayed home until they found out it was only delayed by an hour.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The TV broadcast is awful. They’re Red Sox homers.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Oh, of course. They probably broke down crying when Longoria’s flyball didn’t go out?
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You should be listening to Dave Flemming anyway.
By the way, when did he start doing radio on ESPN? They’re going to steal him away from us.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 17, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t surprise me if ESPN hires him full time.
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I hope they put him on the TV broadcasts because I simply cannot stand the Sunday Night Baseball crew. Especially Valentine. My lord he needs to go.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jul 17, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Do not want
He’s ours, damn it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Would be ironic. ESPN steals Jon Miller only to finally let him go, and then they would steal Dave.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
on to the thirteenth
I’m imagining Kruk & Kuip are sending Dave taunting text messages now.
How long has Flem been working at ESPN radio.
I was surprised to hear him calling the Rays/Sox game.
by PIZZAGUY on Jul 17, 2011 9:41 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Apparently this is his first time, twss.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Not sure whether it’s a regular thing or if it’s just because Dan Shulman got sick at the last moment or something.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions
just his luck.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 17, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
He was doing college basketball for ESPN during the off-season, but this is the first I’ve heard of baseball.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Baggs blog post is up
And fuck me sideways
Are we seeing a shift back to an everyday role for Tejada at shortstop, where he is clearly compromised? We’ll have to wait and see. But it’s clear that Bochy is willing to consider it.
ugh
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 17, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not quite so cut and dry
Catcher and shortstop continue to be the positions most in flux for the Giants, and it’ll be very interesting to see what happens in the next few weeks at both spots.
Crawford had stabilized the situation with his defense, and the Giants were 21-15 in his starts. But he also got stuck in a 1-for-21 slump at the plate that dragged his average down to .194.
Meanwhile, Tejada is hitting .352 with three home runs in 15 games beginning with that doubleheader June 28 at Wrigley Field. Bochy said he likes adjustments Tejada has made to his swing, putting him in a better position to drive the ball.
At least for Sunday, against right-hander Mat Latos, Bochy chose Tejada’s offense over Crawford’s defense. (He also left Tejada in the game the whole time.)
Are we seeing a shift back to an everyday role for Tejada at shortstop, where he is clearly compromised? We’ll have to wait and see. But it’s clear that Bochy is willing to consider it.
It might hinge on whether Crawford can make adjustments against big league pitching, and even though he’s being challenged up here, I think he’s capable of doing that.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Oh . . .
dear.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The answer is clear enough . . .
. . . but there is probably not a snowball’s chance in Hell that it will be implemented: put Tejada at second and Fontenot at short. (When Hall comes back, use him for rest-days relief.) But that would no doubt be seen as disrespecting Tejada, no matter how obvious his deficiencies at SS.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Funny you should say that
From the same blog:
Sure, you could always play Tejada at second base and move Mike Fontenot to shortstop. But I’m not sure it’s a good idea to mess with that. At least Fontenot is an established defensive second baseman. Scouts consider him a stretch to play short, and Tejada, even though he looked OK at second base, doesn’t have much experience at the position.
Better you have one relatively settled spot on the middle infield than ask two guys to play where they aren’t the most comfortable.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
"Better".
Based on what? Sure, Fontenot is not a gold-glove-caliber SS, no question. But the real issue is, at that important position is he nontrivially better than Tejada? We are not comparing Fontenot to Ozzie Smith or Omar Vizquel: we are comparing him only to 2011 Miguel Tejada. Meanwhile, at 2B is Tejada as much worse than Fontenot as Fontenot is better than Tejada at SS? I really, really doubt it. I suppose we can’t be sure—but I doubt it.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
it’s pretty clear to me what happened. Crawford slumped for a week, and is getting replaced. Tejada slumped for nearly 3 months before his job was ever considered “in jeopardy”.
a baserunner saved is a baserunner earned, so it’s really not even close.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jul 18, 2011 1:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Gonna need to slip "nutrients" in Tejada's breakfast.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions
wow
too close to take
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2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 17, 2011 9:47 PM PDT reply actions
The American League used to have a 1 am curfew (game suspended), but I think that went away when MLB consolidated the formerly separate league offices.
No Red Sock has reached third base.
I hope it goes 20. I have stuff to do, and I need video background.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I look forward to last ditch catchers and player / relievers.
That’s fun!!!
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Red Soxs have reached 3rd base (with no outs!)
I think you mean no Rays have reached 3rd.
I hope it goes to the 25th (longest scoreless game ever)
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions
You are correct . . .
I’m in for 26 > > >
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t believe there are people still in attendance. It’s 1 AM in St. Pete.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Wow, only like 7 baserunners the whole game!?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
wait
I misread the Red Sox box score
LOL 10 walks, no runs
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Flem bringing the Giants mojo
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, Fuck them
I don’t care that it’s late. Each of them makes more than $2,500 for this game.
Get on the train after the game.
I’m walking here.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:02 PM PDT reply actions
"The trouble began with the bullpens"
Trouble?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:03 PM PDT reply actions
Strange game note:
I was at the Game today and a fellow Giants fan turned to me after I came back from buying a drank and said ,“you know that Giants couple that was sitting next to us, I asked them why they didn’t cheer for pablo when every other Giants cheered. They Told me that Pablo was renting a house from them in San Bruno and trashed the place and then bailed on the rent.”
I found it strange too that they weren’t cheering and kind of crossing their arms even though they cheered all the other players. I’m sure Panda meant no harm.
sounds like a typical panda
Eats shoots and leaves
by Hyoton on Jul 17, 2011 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You . . .
call iptus.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions
yikes!
we’re lucky PG&E didn’t blow Panda to smithereens
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
wasn’t Juan Uribe accused of the same thing in SF?
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 17, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Pablo freaked out pretty bad after the PG&E incident and refused to return to his place; I’m surprised to hear that he may have flaked on the rent.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
As extra innings games go on, the probablility of the home team winning increases, right?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 10:07 PM PDT reply actions
Gonzo needs to get a double or a triple and win me a category for the week
The first six innings are overrated.
FIDDLESTICKS.
The first six innings are overrated.
Have I mentioned that I'm just walking here?
5 pitches / 3 outs
My opinion is that too many players want to be the single hero these days.
So, why not talk to your doctor about Viagra?
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:11 PM PDT reply actions
haha ridiculous
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:14 PM PDT reply actions
Gonzales going to bunt?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Why were there 4 guys trying to cover the ball?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 10:18 PM PDT reply actions
I'm looking to go 18.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:19 PM PDT reply actions
Most recent Sweet Spot blog
http://espn.go.com/blog/SweetSpot/post/_/id/13818/another-giants-rangers-world-series
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
In a Giants game, somebody would have errored or passed balled or balked in a run by now. For or against, I don’t know.
"erred"
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Huh?
What is supposed to be the object of “errored”?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
a run
So actually it’s a transitive phrasal prepositional verb “to error in”.
“errored or pass balled or balked in a run”?
Well, I guess.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
To balk . . .
. . . is divine.
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Then . . .
. . . what you need to write is:
…somebody would have errored in or passed balled in or balked in a run by now.
But I think your poetic license is revoked for trying that. (I will, though, concede that “passed balled”, even intransitive, is clever.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
If the National League ball club from San Francisco were participating in a contest such as this, one of the gentlemen in uniform would have caused a score to be tallied via an error of defense, a passing of the ball by the one who catches, or perhaps a balking motion by the man who hurls the spheroid.
The funny thing is I like the sarcastic version much better.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL THIS GAME
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
SIX HITS COMBINED IN ALMOST 30 FULL INNINGS
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
/half-innings
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm surprised they haven't cut to people passed out in the seats
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
cut to shots*
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:23 PM PDT up reply actions
END IT, PLEASE
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Jul 17, 2011 10:23 PM PDT reply actions
I
too.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Throw 16 straight balls please
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Hey, ump! Just call all balls
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
I was thinking about how the strike zone does seem to change a bit in extra innings
To me, it seems like the strike zone expands- umps are more likely to call strikes, as if that’s going to get them home quicker.
Of course, as you noted, that’s the last thing an ump should do if he wants to end the game more quickly.
THAT GUY’S GOT MY HAT!
Proud father of Mark Gardner(29 years my senior): mastermind of our airtight relief corps, local boy, and owner of an unofficial no-no against the Dodgers.
by srpwrd on Jul 17, 2011 10:26 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ouch
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Water Mexico
So I checked my email today and found that I had an email from myself that simply said “Water Mexico” as the subject line, no body or any explanation.
I was really confused for about 5 minutes, then figured it out. On Friday night I was watching Colbert Report as I was falling asleep. He was interviewing Jose Vargas and asked if he crossed the border from Mexico, and he said no he came from the Phillipines, and Colbert said that’s water Mexico. I guess still sorta drunk and really tired me apparently thought that was funny enough to get my phone and email it to myself so I could remember it later on.
Weird.
The first six innings are overrated.
HBP RALLY
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
called it
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Omg...will this finally end soon?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Now for a WP and a balk to complete the Giant's style winning rally
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Wow, 5 hours and 16 minutes so far.
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
did that really hit Krotchman?
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:29 PM PDT reply actions
ehehe krotchman
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Bah
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Ump, just call a balk for no reason. We all want to leave.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
This!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I WANT 10 MORE INNINGS
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
YOU GOT YOUR WISH, I’M GOING TO BED.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
It occurs to me that Dave is normally used to switching off calling a game every two innings. He still sounds his normal effervescent self. Singleton may be falling asleep, though.
Dave is doing the ESPN radio broadcast?
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s actually the only reason I’m still listening to this game.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
/spins wheel . .
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by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
To the 16th!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
LOL ESPN.
Hope you didn’t have anything else scheduled.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 10:32 PM PDT reply actions
I hope they let him take it off
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
TWSS
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Jul 17, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
take it all off, dave
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
i hope
his flight is in the morning not for tonight or flems gonna be stranded in st petersberg
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jul 17, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Rays new pitcher is named Adam Russell
Unsurprisingly, it appears as though he was once a Padre.
RUSSELL ADAMSON
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Dave has brought Giants offensive futility to the AL!
I am happy.
I'm not fat, I'm a carousel.
by shanghaijim on Jul 17, 2011 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
So 12 BBs for the Sox now?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
It is now time . . .
to consume that carrot cake,
two of the pluots from off the tree in my back yard,
and some of the cleansing brandy “they” claim to be St. Remy Auntentique.
“W”
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:37 PM PDT reply actions
Carrot cake is probably the best and only acceptable kind of cake.
The first six innings are overrated.
disgusting
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
carrot cake is an abomination
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
carrot cake is the joffrey baratheon of cakes
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I was going to side with you in the coming coup attempt, but not any more.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
you will be first against the wall
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Bring me my rifle, squire!!!
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
haha harsh
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
So be it. Carrot cake is a worthy cause.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
let them eat carrot cake!
The first six innings are overrated.
It's the practical joke of cakes
Shall I flavor this cake with chocolate, or vanilla, or perhaps delicious fruit. Nay! Carrots!
RIGHT?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You can barely taste the carrots!
Cinnamon, brown sugar, other spices and frequently raisins and nuts. Delicious. And cream cheese frosting!
The first six innings are overrated.
then why not call it cinnamon and brown sugar cake?
because it is foul and has carrots in it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
counterpoint:
red velvet cake.
The first six innings are overrated.
red velvet cake is wonderful
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
red velvet cake is a fraud and impostor
The first six innings are overrated.
there is no velvet in this cake!!!
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
you disgust me
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I have little problem with the taste, I just object to the concept. Red velvet cake is only red from food coloring. You dont have to lie to kick it, chocolate and vanilla.. You’re both tasty just the way you are.
The first six innings are overrated.
blue velvet cake!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
velvet revolution cake!
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
sheeeee woooooore bluuuuuuue
velvet
(cake)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
what the hell is wrong with you?
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
why not just have a simple cake, like chocolate cake?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Avocado cake!
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
We’ve had cake vs. pie wars. Now we’re having cake vs. cake wars. Will it ever end?!?!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Onion cake!
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
NEVARRRRR!!!
EVERYONE CAN STFU, PUMPKIN CAKE WINS
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I will answer that...
It is because not only do you get a cake that tastes stupendously wonderful, you get to also pretend that you’re eating something that is good for you.
EPIC WIN!
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Cream cheese frosting has always struck me as kind of gross. Cheese and sugar shouldn’t mix.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
so much wrongness here tonight
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
We have found common ground here.
And El Person, if I recall, also doesn’t like tea of any kind.
GET HIM
The first six innings are overrated.
That’s because English people drink tea.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I would think the drinking part be the least offensive part of Britain’s tea related activities.
The first six innings are overrated.
What else do they do with tea? 0_0
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company
The first six innings are overrated.
Well, yeah. I was hoping for something more exciting.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.health-information-fitness.com/chamomile-herbal-tea-enema-recipe.htm
The first six innings are overrated.
This is more like it. I’m with El Person, anything that does that, shouldn’t go in my mouth.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
So wrong.
Many cheeses are excellent with some raisins (which are certainly sugary). While soft and semi-soft bland ones are quite fine, something hard and sharp, like Romano, goes especially well. (But a good or better Parmesan, the world’s greatest cheese, should be left to itself.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
KING OF CHEESES
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not joining you in the revolution.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If you like carrot cake, then I never wanted you on my side anyway.
THE MOD IN THE NORTH
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
like a floater
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
wait if youre robb
who is grey wind?
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Mason the Direterrier
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think Stannis would be anti carrot cake.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve only met Stannis for like one chapter so far, but I’m pretty sure he’s anti-everything that could be construed as enjoyable or fun.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
AND THIS IS WHY HE HATES CARROT CAKE
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions
grody
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions
to be fair
ben (the bestest) was saved on master chef for his carrot cake
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Be the gentleman you are . . .
. . . and pass them around.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Tek’s bloody sock moment!
Proud father of Mark Gardner(29 years my senior): mastermind of our airtight relief corps, local boy, and owner of an unofficial no-no against the Dodgers.
lol
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions
mccoveychron If this game lasts any longer, Bobby Valentine will lose it and start mumbling coherent thoughts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Runners at the corners and 1 out
Let’s see how strong Flem’s mojo is.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Not strong enough
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an amazing game
I would have figured it for a Giants – Padres game.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
What's a run?
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
Okay Rays, now you have to tie it so that we get more innings (also, I hate Papelbon)
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:42 PM PDT reply actions
and its over? or they
gonna japan them
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on Jul 17, 2011 10:42 PM PDT reply actions
I read that J. Sanchez got rocked in single A start.
He better take his time while he’s their and learn how to throw strikes
You follow me, I'll follow you
http://ayeyooojerm.tumblr.com/
SF GIants Baseball 2011 = Torture Pt. 2
Giving up 6 ER on 6 hits
He definitely threw strikes
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect . . .
. . . that it’s rather like spring training: he is not pitching to win, but to work on certain things. If they are the things that most need work, naturally he will not do well at first.
Or so I keep hoping it is.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I guess he still has work to do.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
So it certainly seems.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
A FUCKING RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
JETER WITH THE RBI SINGLE TO RIGHT!
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:43 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Dustin Pedroia appears to be the only person to show up offensively
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
WHAT A CATCH!!!!!!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
great catch
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:44 PM PDT reply actions
no no no please choke rectum mouth
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
hahahaha it totally looks like a rectum!
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jul 17, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
C'mon, D'backs!
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:46 PM PDT reply actions
Sorry, meant D'rays.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I was questioning your sanity for a second.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Not inappropriate.
It’s the carrot cake and brandy and circumstances.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:49 PM PDT up reply actions
You mean just the brandy and circumstances?
carrot cake intoxication is no joke
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jul 17, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone who thinks that they would still like Brian Wilson if he wasn’t a Giant should look no further than Jonathan Papelbon.
Proud father of Mark Gardner(29 years my senior): mastermind of our airtight relief corps, local boy, and owner of an unofficial no-no against the Dodgers.
at least BW is funny most of the time. that’s more than you can say about Ol’ Pap
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Just how bad would wilson have to be to get benched
as a face of the franchise he has got to get more rope than a normal closer would.
but how much more rope?
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 10:51 PM PDT reply actions
give ’em enough rope!
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Nooooo
KEEP THIS GAME ALIVE
"'What would you rather have -- a million dollars or Bochy's head full o' nickels?'" - ABOM
I am so glad that our stadium can't be taken over by visiting fans like this.
It is just sad.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jul 17, 2011 10:52 PM PDT reply actions
red sox fans kind of did take over the stadium last time they were here
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah, I went to a Red Sox / Giants game in 2004 and it was hellish
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
they were so obnoxious (and the Giants lost) that I participated in a 1918 chant
I LIKED THE RED SOX BACK THEN.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Was that before you lived in Boston?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah, that was during my junior year of high school.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
no, i went to the disaster game
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
this one
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN200406180.shtml
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
One of the rare times I rooted against the Giants. I won’t go to Oakland so the only time I could see the Red Sox is when they visit SF.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The Red Sox have been my AL team since 1975.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
but you'd root for them over the Giants?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Only in 2004 and 2007 because I wouldn’t be able to root for them in person.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I find this weird, but all right.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
it's good with me
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
at least you wont have to change your son when the red sox sign lincecum in a few years
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
wait
wasnt sharksrog lincecum’s adopted father?
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
sharksrog disappeared
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
banned
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
AHAHAHAHAHA
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
ban request
The first six innings are overrated.
+1
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
lol, remember when you said you wouldn't comment on here during the red sox series?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
and I didn’t. I banned myself for the weekend.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
lol, i remember saying "NOOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD THEY BAN SFGUY!!!!?!?!?!?!?!"
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I think the Dodgers came to town after that and I returned that night.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
and i barely remember it. i just remember the red sox won i think
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
The thing I remember was a Red Sox got hurt each game.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
And i remember trying to get banned i think
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
don't remember the injuries much
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Pedroia got hurt on Friday night after fouling a ball off his foot. Clay Buckholz got hurt Saturday running the bases and Victor Martinez got hurt on Sunday after someone fouled a ball off his hand (I think).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
NOW i remember, ok
Pedroia was injured for a while after that, right? damn, this was two years ago, right?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I remember during the Rox first title run
There were a ton of bandwagon Red Sox fans in my high school.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions
lol whut
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
red sox fans are everywhere
they crawl out of every crevice imaginable
The San Francisco Giants won the World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Walter White is Heisenberg.
/looks down v v v Yuck!!!
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jul 17, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
gah
I hate the red sox
The San Francisco Giants won the World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Walter White is Heisenberg.
too bad they dont teach them to throw strikes
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 10:54 PM PDT reply actions
when did Sabes grow a beard?
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 17, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
hahah again it totally looks like sabean
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jul 17, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
gimme mah sportscenter
The San Francisco Giants won the World Series. Your argument is invalid.
Walter White is Heisenberg.
MUrbanCSN Mychael Urban
Funniest baseball tweet I’ve ever gotten: “Saves aren’t an efficient way to evaluate closers.” Wow.
lol dumb urban.
LOL, i'm crying!!!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Even funnier
RBIs aren’t a good way to evaluate hitters. LULZ!
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jul 17, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
OPSBI
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wins, etc.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
was it randy winn or manny burris
that has/had the “let me see your w” song as a walk up song
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Does Urbs evaluate starting pitchers based on Wins-Loses?
They'll put a man on the moon before I hit a home run. ~ Gaylord Perry
by calgiants86 on Jul 17, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Espn front page story about a possible giants rangers world series rematch
rangers without cliff lee
please thankyou
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions
LETS DO IT!!!!!!!!!!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Alas, Giants without Gerald and Freddy.
by non sequitur on Jul 17, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I posted the link above
http://espn.go.com/blog/SweetSpot/post/_/id/13818/another-giants-rangers-world-series
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Would they consider dealing Sanchez or Madison Bumgarner to upgrade the offense?
MadBum? No thank you.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 17, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
What would be a fair return for MadBum?
It would have to be enormous. It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up on Cameron’s Trade Value rankings.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Umm… I would have to think at least two top 20 prospects or some young MLB stud with a favorable contract (Longoria, Heyward, Ackley, etc. )
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
You've got the right idea.
But remember that the Longoria contract is absolutely ludicrous. In that he has by far and away the most trade value of any player, bar none.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
Yeah, Longoria is a surer bet to provide more WAR than Bumgarner before they hit free agency, even though Bumgarner has an additional year on his contract.
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Congratulations to Dave Flemming
He made a 16-inning 1-0 AL East game interesting. I didn’t know that was possible.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
AND NOW HES ON A FLIGHT TO SFO
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Joe Panik: 4 for 5, 2B
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
fuck it
call him up
i mean apparently with hector sanchez we just dont give a fuck about player development
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Crawford too
Check out Catch-28.com. A blog about Buster Posey and the San Francisco Giants.
Crawford:
More like lightning bug in a bottle. (With apologies to Mark Twain.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I laughed
Bruce Bochy: Leave him alone, he's the Manager Man and his BORK is much worse than his bite.
by zodiac_chiller on Jul 18, 2011 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson needs to focus on throwing quality strikes
and not going out of his way to be the new dennis rodman.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I never liked this argument
because as far as I can recall, Dennis Rodman was still really fucking good while he was busy being Dennis Rodman.
The first six innings are overrated.
I can't wait for Wilson's Rolling Stone cover
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 17, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Sad thing is, Rolling Stone is still writing about most of those people
minus Hootie and JCVD.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jul 18, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Darius Rucker is actually having a pretty successful Country music career
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 18, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson and Huff were really good last year
And they were basically human lolcats the whole time.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jul 18, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t like it because it reminds me a lot of the “Mike Nolan should focus on coaching and not on what he wears”.
So far as I can tell, Wilson has to spend all of a couple of minutes a day worrying about how to be weird to, in fact, be weird.
It takes little effort on his part to perform the act.
I’m sure the overwhelming lion’s share of his time is spent trying to be a good pitcher.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
IAWTC. We always hear about his work ethic and how smart he is. I’m not worried about him being distracted by his own weirdness.
I am, however, worried that he seems to feel like the umpires actually give a shit about what he thinks. And I’m also worried that his antics on the mound may continue to make his strike zone smaller. If I’m an umpire and some beardyman closer that makes several orders of magnitudes more money than I do yells at me because of perceived slights, you can be damn sure the least I’m going to do is not give him the benefit of the doubt next time.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
i really want to read this comic issue
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 17, 2011 11:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
What number is this?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Spidey Super Stories#8/2 (May, 1975); TV - Electric Company season 4 episode (1974-1975)
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Just replace Spidey with Aaron Rowand.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 18, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
the rangers have their own wicked wall
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL Kinsler
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jul 18, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
What an attention whore. If it was really his day off, just go the game as Peter Parker.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, but . . .
. . . you never know when an emergency will break out requiring the Amazing Spider Man to step in. And he doesn’t have the advantage that Clark Kent had, of a perpetually conveniently located telephone booth in the middle of a baseball diamond, because everyone uses cell phones now.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Hey, Clark Kent had to be resourceful. Even by 1978, telephone booths just didn’t cut it anymore.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Ah, yes: I remember it well.
Arguably the best moment in the whole movie.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
if you were a mets fan would you want people to know your identity
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Peter Parker should spend less time pretending to be Spiderman on his days off and more time trying to be a good photographer.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve always wanted to visit Ball Park.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder how long before SBNation decides the tweets on the right side isn’t such a good idea.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Soonest is best.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Whenever Head & Shoulders decides.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jul 18, 2011 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions
two giants minor leaguers on john sickels sleeper list review
Jake Dunning, RHP, San Francisco Giants: 5.21 ERA with 53/20 K/BB in 57 innings for High-A San Jose, 69 hits, 1.76 GO/AO. Age 22. Rating was based on stats, scouting, and intuition. Has been very effective since switching to bullpen in June (3.38 ERA, 26/6 K/BB in 24 IP).
Kendry Flores, RHP, San Francisco Giants: 5.13 ERA with 26/10 K/BB in 26 innings for Spokane in Northwest League, 27 hits. Sample small, performance has been better than ERA indicates. 19 years old. Rating was based on both stats and scouting reports.
"Life is like a grapefruit. It's orange and dimpled on the outside, wet and squidgy in the middle. It's got pips inside, and some people have a half a one for breakfast."
Ted Williams: .406 1941
Gary Brown: .438 2010
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 12:17 AM PDT reply actions
Hm? Spokane is a Rangers affiliate.
Some kind of loaner deal?
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I'm guessing that's a misprint.
Sickels’ numbers coincide with milb’s which say that Flores is in Salem-Keizer.
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Thank you.
I can now resume my disinterest in local baseball (mainly because it isn’t really “local” for me.)
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Im always suprised how active mcc is this late at nite
.
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 1:01 AM PDT reply actions
Where ele do you go when you've had a few dinks?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 18, 2011 1:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well im call it quits for the nite
Just finished batman: mask of the phantasm and its time for me to bed.
man that movie kicks ass
prolly the best batman movie pre-nolan
by operation carrot on Jul 18, 2011 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Was there no PosGame show ealier?
Podcasts aren’t updating.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 18, 2011 1:23 AM PDT reply actions
Nevermind, there it is.
Hmm..That wasn’t there a few seconds ago.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Jul 18, 2011 1:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Dave felthouse is a nightowl
also hates mat latos.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Well, everything seems to have wound down.
Got to take the cats to the vet early afternoon, so I guess I’m off to bed.
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Oh, by the way . . .
Nearly 60% of the way into the season, the Giants are in first place by 3½ games. Just so’s we remember.
Giants baseball: we’ll take it.
Only two division leaders have larger leads, neither in the NL, and those only ½ game more.
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by owlcroft on Jul 18, 2011 2:36 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
SHIFT-A
LOL LATOS! LOL PHILLIPS! LOL PADRES!
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Oh yeah.
LOL QUALLS!
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I don’t drink coffee. Right now, I’ve got water.
Unless, of course, by “coffee” you meant the slang connotation of self-gratification, in which case I did not this morning.
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That’s slang these days? Note to self: cease asking colleagues and acquaintances how their coffee was this morning.
Actually, it’s something I came up with back in college. It’s probably not in common usage.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
Good morning, have a good weekend? Pretty hot one up here.
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It was hot here, too. A stalled frontal system is keeping us in a zone of convection, so we’ve been getting scattered thunderstorms each afternoon. The weekend was fine. I visited my folks in Alabama and got back to Knoxville yesterday evening.
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Hope the trip went well. Dunno about convection mumbo jumbo but it was pretty hot this morning too. According to the forecast it’s supposed to be in the 100s through Wednesday.
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That dark area of intense heat from SD to northern Texas looks like a monster facing eastward.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, there is a Buffett there.
This is bad, even for me.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 7:25 AM PDT up reply actions
You should drink some ice cold sweet tea to keep cool.
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Avoiding diabetes is a good way to keep cool, too.
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How about I’ll just bring a big jar of sun tea and those who would like to add some sugar can do so?
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Agreed.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
And thus ended the Great Tea Crises of 2011. Cooler heads prevailed and all-out war was avoided. In an unprecedented show of solidarity both sides even sat down to enjoy some pie.
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Just watched the condensed game on MLB.tv
The good: Stewart and Panda double play
The bad: Mat Latos. Because screw that guy.
The ugly: WHITESIDE, DON’T ARGUE WITH THE UMPIRE THAT YOU CAUGHT THE THIRD STRIKE—JUST THROW IT TO FIRST! Also, Mat Latos.
as bad as that Whiteside play was, the runner was still out at first. Be better at your job, ump.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
True, but if Whiteside does what he’s supposed to do and throws to first immediately, it’s not a close play. Umpires are going to blow close calls every now and then. They’re never going to blow a call where a guy is thrown out by 30 feet, which is what should have happened.
by Here Be Giants on Jul 18, 2011 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions
In the minority with following statement
Bochy is awesome. In the 3 games I watched, well the 3 games Giants won, he humiliated Bud Black.
Black- Pitchout
Bochy- No steal
Next pitch, hit and run boom
I swear that happened 1-2 times every game. Padres having a horrible throwing catcher made it look easy, with the steals and such. But Bochy was as aggressive as he needed to be to win, and those wins came.
Time to repeat in '11!
There was also the time where Black called for a pitchout and Burriss was running.
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I think Manny still beat out that throw if it was on target.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s more a testament to the shittiness of that catcher. I think you’d still have to chalk that up as a managing point to Black.
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True
Pitchout with the runner going and the catcher not only doesn’t get the runner (even an on-target one), but air mails it to CF? Like any sport really, it’s more about the talent level than the guy coaching them. Though this year how the Giants are 3.5 games up and 14 over .500 is beyond me. lol.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Catcher yes
Black made right call. Not his fault his players can’t make the play. GM’s fault.
Still have to give Bochy nod for the results. Knowing the catcher sucks means he knows he still has a good shot even in a pitchout.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 18, 2011 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Despite this
There was a squeeze and a steal of home in this series. On top of the endless steals and the feeling every hit and run worked. There was no answer.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 18, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Semi OT
#20-11 of trade value is up at Fangraphs. Bumgarner’s not in it, which means he’s either top 10 (my guess) or is not in it at all, which would be pretty weird.
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He has to be top 10. He’s one of the best pitchers in baseball and still has just a year of service time.
Maybe he was left off
#11: Clayton Kershaw, LHP, Los Angeles: +14.0
The highest rated pitcher on the list
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Wow. I missed that. That’s completely nuts.
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He’s not even arb eligible next year, is he? Top 15 in fWAR, great pedigree, completely cost controlled? That’s nuts.
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Bumgarner gets constantly overlooked :[
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Bah
I would rather keep him, then temp the front office to trade high on him.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jul 18, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, Cameron done fucked up.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Pitcher W-L must be a major stat....
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions
You know what we should do? We should all go over there and post a bunch of douchey comments. That’ll show him.
Let's see if autoformat screws the pooch.
- org!
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I just posted a comment but I don’t think it was douchey.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I mean, I came this close to including a snide comment about how I didn’t think they were going to take W-L into account but then I didn’t.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Rrrr, the comments there are tempting me to get into it. “Bumgarner looks like the best he will do will be a career #2.” ??
Yeah, top 15 in fWAR and xFIP and top 3 in FIP at 21 years old and making the league minimum until 2013. #2 at best.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
LOL I was wondering
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
“flo”
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions
My favorite part of Mike Stanton’s write-up is that Cameron mentions that he’s doing it in the majors at an age when a lot of people are struggling to break out of A ball. They were both born in 1989 (Bum is older by 3 months), and Bumgarner’s been just as good if not better by Fangraphs own implementation of WAR. Grr.
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I like how he is sure to mention that Stanton has a lot of flaws as a player right now, but because of age and service time, he’ll get a lot of people interested.
Bumgarner, meanwhile, doesn’t have a whole lot of flaws and he has roughly the same age and service time!
Just reading through some of the guys from 40-50, he’s talking about guys who have 2.5 years more of control, like Jacoby Ellsbury… and Bumgarner nearly has the same career fWAR as him in about a year’s worth of starts.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It seems difficult to do, but I really think he just completely overlooked Bumgarner.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I too came to the conclusion. It wouldn’t surprise me at all if they simply had a brain fart. If he’s not top 50, he at the very least is an honorable mention. Pro-rate his 37 career starts to 33, and he’s at 4.8 fWAR, which is great. For the league minimum? That’s like $20 MM of surplus value right there.
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And I have to think that if the Giants offered the Yankees Bumgarner for Brett Gardner straight up, they’d jump at it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Likewise, Yovani Gallardo? He touts him for making $25 million through 2014, despite never really developing into a great starter.
Bumgarner is going to make about half that (if that much) through 2014 and you’ll have like two more years of service after that.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I can see the argument that age doesn’t matter in this case because Bumgarner has already attained all the upside he’s got in that arm. I kind of think so myself (not that my strawhat is worth a damn).
But when I look at some of the players listed in the 30s and 40s, I see few I’d rather have than Bumgarner, if you consider contract status. Ricky Romero? Carlos Gonzalez? Jacoby Ellsbury? Ryan Braun? Alexei Ramirez?
I’m surprised to see Tulo mentioned in the comments. Isn’t his contract kind of ridiculous?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
FU!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 8:30 AM PDT reply actions
Shift-A: I tried to look through the 1200+ new comments
but there is only so much Wilson/Romo talk one can take on a Monday morning.
Also, Beat LA.
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Baggs' post-game article was good as usual
but I like this blurb:
There’s also an update in the notebook on Jonathan Sanchez’s rough outing for Single-A San Jose on Sunday, but I wouldn’t freak out about that. Sanchez was ordered to throw strikes, which he did, and the kids were swinging the bat. Two of their hits were infield singles.
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"When in Rome, do what you’ve gotta do." —Manny Burriss
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
or this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HI_xFQWiYU
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What? How dare you insult arguably the best 80s pop song.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
“Best 80s pop song” is like saying, “best intestinal virus of Central American origin.”
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“He knew then that his luck had run out. That he’d pushed too far.”
Okay, some 80s songs are all right. That Eileen one. Or the B-52s catalogue.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
This is a good one.
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I feel dirty just having read this comment.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve always thought that Come on Eileen was the runaway winner.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Although my ’80s pop cred is limited by the fact that the whole of my human memory started somewhere around 1989, when I was probably listening Raffi.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ghostbusters!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Neck and neck
“Eileen” is probably more memorable and a mosre distinctive slice of the 80s, but I’d say “I Melt With You” is the more beautiful song and certainly more timeless.
The thong is, it happened.
Bonzo Goes to Bitburg is the best song released in the '80's.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Yesterday my friend compared the lyrics to keyboard smashing
That sounds about right.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Some ESPN attention on Giants
The Giants’ rotation is doing just fine, thank you. While the Phillies’ rotation has rightfully received a lot of the national publicity, what’s gone unheralded is Giants starters have collectively risen their performance (thanks in part to Ryan Vogelsong’s outstanding performance):
2011: 3,29 ERA, 215 BB, 519 SO, .234 average, .307 OBP, .348 SLG
2010: 3.54 ERA, 377 BB, 888 SO, .236 average, .309 OBP, .380 SLG
With the emergence of Vogelsong, when Jonathan Sanchez returns from his disabled list stint due to biceps tendinitis (possibly in the July 26-28 series against the Phillies), the Giants will have six starting pitchers — plus top prospect Zack Wheeler. Would they consider dealing Sanchez or Madison Bumgarner to upgrade the offense?
http://espn.go.com/blog/SweetSpot/post/_/id/13818/another-giants-rangers-world-series
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Usually don't do this but I saw this comment following the article
bucsbravesgatorsbolts
NL East practically did. Lee, Halladay, JJ, Kimbrel, Venters, and the Nats Tyler Clippard all threw.
and we had Infante batting around .320. but thats it. and he isnt a true leader.
and Buster Posey… he did it to himself. the first thing they teach u about catching is to NOT be in that position with ur knee down. and from the angle Scott Cousins was coming, Posey was in his way. quickest way from Point A to Point B: straight line.
21 Minutes Ago
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This looks about the quality of a youtube comment.
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Miguel Tejada is a few good games away from having a higher OPS than Aaron Rowand.
Just thought that was worth noting.
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Is that good or bad?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jul 18, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Sad really
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not good.
I mostly meant it in the “That small cadre of people continuing to support Aaron Rowand in any fashion, stop. Just, stop. He’s little better with the bat than Miguel Tejada.”
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
ANDRES TORRES! LEFTIES!
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Notable that Rowand’s OPS against lefties this year is exactly now in-line with his career average, though that comes with a BABIP 83 points higher than the same career split indicates is normal.
I realize this isn’t an argument I need to making to you, especially considering the sample involved. As you say, Rowand versus lefties stands a chance of being palatable, though not as much so as Torres. I’m just infinitely wary of how much of his so-called success this year is coming with a heaping spoonful of magic.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
And “exactly in line” isn’t exactly right. But very, very close.
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Comment From TexasRanger
I’m sure you’re getting this quite a bit, but where would you put Madison Bumgarner, if not in the top 50 he’s got to be pretty close right?
12:06
Dave Cameron: Bumgarner was on the final list of cuts. I know he’s performed exceptionally well in the majors, but it’s not elite premium stuff, and he’s doing it in San Francisco, so there are real questions about how he would do in other environments.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Comment From Nina Totenberg
What do you mean “in San Francisco”? What difference does that make?
12:09
Dave Cameron: You know what I mean.
Comment From Nina Totenberg
Gays?
12:10
Dave Cameron: Bingo.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
He didn’t really say that. I made that part up for comedic purposes.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
WELL IT WASN'T FUNNY
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Here’s one example of he does in other environments.
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I can’t get over what a bullshit answer this is.
Especially when guys like Yovani Gallardo did make the list.
You fucking forgot about Bumgarner, admit it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That seems less likely that some weird tendency to discount whatever young Giants pitchers do. They’re all so good, so it must be something about the team rather than the player, right?
It seems like a particularly bullshit answer when his peripheral stats (the things that they used to discount Matt Cain for) are all pretty much elite.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Bullshit like that is why people still troll him with #6 org.
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Who was it this year?
Too lazy to look.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
#6org indeed
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
COLORADO ROCKIES 2011 NL WEST CHAMPIONS!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL indeed.
LOL “doing it in San Francisco”
Career splits
Away
134.1 IP
2.14 ERA
549 TBF
122 H
9 HR
29 BB
111 SO
I know SSS, but at least we have half a season of data there and he’s clearly doing just fine outside of SF. Did I mention he makes league minimum, has 5 years of team control left and is only 21?
Dave Cameron is a lousy researcher at best.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
he’s doing it in San Francisco
Madison actually pitches better away from San Francisco.
Cameron is a moron.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Were I given to asinine AM radio-style insulting name misspellings, I’d always refer to him as Dave Camoron.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm doing it in San Francisco too
uNF uNF uNF
by shaggingflyballs on Jul 18, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
This (and the series of increasingly bullshit comments below) seems to confirm that Cameron uses statistics as a way to get the conclusions he wants.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I think this is why I have a hard time grasping practical application of sabermetric data. I thought numbers were supposed to solve arguments, but it turns out they just trigger new, more complicated ones.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
In the end, statistics are just tools. There's no magic bullet.
Sabermetric statistics are better tools than traditional numbers; it’s as if you have a hammer while Murray Chass has a blunt rock. When everyone has advanced statistics, though, it’s back to the same impasse.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
hahaha
12:20
Comment From Teh Dude
So you just forgot Madison Bumgarner?
12:21
Dave Cameron: Nope. He just didn’t make the cut. Sorry, Giants fans.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Heh, that was me.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I submitted a comment basically laying out his current credentials (top 3 FIP, top 15 fWAR/xFIP, 5 years of team control left at dirt cheap price).
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Brett Gardner!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
And, yes, he did not respond to it. Rock.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He didn’t respond to my second question either: “So pretty much anecdotal stuff kept Bumgarner off of the list?”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
jesus christ
12:27
Comment From Guest
Are you aware of Bumgarner’s H/A splits? I know it’s only 110 IP but he is absolutely dominant when pitching in Not-San Francisco. That was one of your cirteria for not including him, and it is just completely baseless.
12:28
Dave Cameron: I’m aware of Bumgarner’s splits, yes. I’m also aware of the Giants being able to turn guys like Ryan Vogelsong into aces. The reality is that MLB teams are very skeptical about non-premium stuff guys who succeed in San Francisco. And rightly so – they don’t have a great track record after they leave.
How is Bumgarner a non-premium stuff guy?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Yep, that’s what I was saying.
Who are these pitchers who’ve flopped after leaving SF? Kevin Correia?
Russ Ortiz?
Only guy I can think of, and he has exactly nothing to do with Madison Bumgarner or even the organizational environment Bumgarner was developed in.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Let’s see. Depending on the criteria, the pool for this century consists roughly of:
Livan
Ortiz
Estes
Schmidt?
Nathan?
Ainsworth?
Felix Rodriguez?
Williams
Ponson?
Correia
Tomko
Tyler Walker?
Aardsma?
Eyre?
Jamey Wright
Accardo
Chulk?
Taschner
Misch
Morris
Benitez LOL
Justin Miller
Joey Martinez?
Anything unusual about the post-Giants performance of that group?
Everyone performed pretty much exactly as I would have expected them to once they left.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
At the point that Jerome left, I no longer expected much from him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
but this might be a familiarity breeds contempt thing.
At least that woudl be the case with me.
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Ainsworth losing his career to injury seems sub par.
Correia has definitely performed above expectations.
I guess you could say Williams, maybe
Left LOLFoppert off the list.
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And a guy who never made it to SF is probably the biggest offender.
Alderson. There were people that had him above MB.
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I still have nightmares where Madbum was traded for Sanchez instead of Alderson
Also, how much more awesome would the Pirates have been with that one?
The first six innings are overrated.
Apparently
Barry Zito did not get that you are supposed to good in SF memo
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
...when did SF become Petco 2?
And since when was RYAN VOGELSONG the poster boy?
How is it at all fair to hold a fluky half season from Ryan Vogelsong against Madison Bumgarner?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Any pics of MadBum with his ring?
Gonna need a haters gonna hate gif now.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL SCIENCE!
Really, he should be emabarrassed. For someone who represents a site that has become the authority (or at least one of the leading authorities on advanced baseball analysis) there was no analysis given to support exclusion of bumgarner other than this pathetic response.
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I like the appeal to authority there, like David Cameron knows that every team in baseball thinks Madison Bumgarner would flop outside of San Francisco.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It's the Dave Righetti factor
No relation to Matt Cain...
by Caine Black Knife on Jul 18, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The Pitcher Whisperer
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
The other part that's hilarious about his ranking is that
he has CarGo at No. 40.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
When was the last time the Giants traded away a semi decent pitcher? Is he basing this on Alderson? Or, worse yet, something as long as as Schmidt?
The first six innings are overrated.
Also, counterpoint:
The first six innings are overrated.
Accardo?
Sucked after leaving, but wasn’t much before leaving. And he’s a reliever.
I think this sentiment has to be driven by:
Schmidt-red flags all over the place with him when he left
Voglesong-Sucked when he was not with the Giants, good with them
Accardo-I mean, yeah, Accardo
Who else?
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Accardo had his best year after he left!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Yes. indeed.
Showing my cameron-level research ability there.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
I still quibble with saying that Bumgarner doesn’t have premium stuff… low 90s fastball with great control/command and an excellent slider, with developing changeup and curveball? From a lefty?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The other thing is...
If you look at only performance and contract he’s gotta be the no.1 guy in baseball.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Longoria says hello
But top 5, certainly.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I have no idea who all of these pitchers he’s talking about are.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Liriano/Nathan?
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Liriano, Nathan, and Zito are all good counterpoints to the "theory"
It doesn’t seem to me that ex-Giant pitchers have any greater degree of skew than other teams departed pitchers. But that is purely my initial perception. It would be interesting to see this analysis.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jul 18, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha
shaneloux Shane Loux
I bet a guy he couldnt hit another guy in the chest w/ an orange from 15 feet w/ everyone watching. Just like Bull Durham, missed high/left
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
happy bday!
Nice, get to steal 2nd or something?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice!
/jealous
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Jul 18, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Happy Birthday!
My 30th is only a few months away. LOLOLD!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Congratulations on surviving another terrifying turn around the sun.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL Manny. From ExtraBaggs.
"When in Rome, do what you’ve gotta do," said Burriss, mostly getting it right. "(The Padres) are running all over the place. It’s a big ballpark. You’ve got to put runners in motion. We can do it, too. Our game is versatile enough."
Wilber Bucardo: Missing?
WHEN IN ROME IS WORTH TWO IN THE BUSH!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jul 18, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
EARLY WORM CHASES THE BIRD
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Rome wasn’t built.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Look for HarperCollins’ newest paperback release, A Stitch in Time Save Rome: The Wit and Wisdom of Emmanuel Burriss, As Told to Edmund Morris.
Stockard Channing is slated to record the audiobook.
TheLetter2: East Coast Boogaloo
The sequel to Poor Manny’s Almanac?
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by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
He has a knack for not answering questions. On the between-inning video where they ask the G’s about the time period in the past they would time travel to, Burriss answers “the future.”
Duh.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
I’m going to pretend that this is a subtle allusion to Louis CK’s bit on white people and time travel.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
When in Rome, I’m not saying.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
WONT GET ROMED AGAIN
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jul 18, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
“The field is set… the runners are moving….”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Manny’s line needs to be the Giants’ new 2011 motto.
by non sequitur on Jul 18, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, I see: From Fangraphs trade value, number 3
#3 – Troy Tulowitzki, SS, Colorado: +17.9
There just aren’t any flaws in Tulowitzki’s game. He’s a premium defensive shortstop who can really hit, drives the baseball, doesn’t strike out anymore, and is generally just excellent at nearly every aspect of the game. There are some teams who would balk at giving a guy with his injury history a 10 year deal, but the Rockies clearly believe in their franchise player, and unlike his last contract, this one can actually be traded (he could void the last one if dealt to another franchise) if they decide to move him at some point. It’s nearly impossible to think of a scenario where Colorado would give him up, but if they did put him on the market, the demand would be absurd.
Yeah, when you put it that way bumgarner can’t get on.
Tulo’s great, but between the contract and the injury history and the Coors factor, he’d be pretty hard to trade.
It’ll be kind of funny when in six years Tulowitzki is injured and Gonzalez is awful and the Rockies have to deal with those enormous contracts.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Wait? Jamie Shields made the list
at age 30? And Bumgarner did not? WTF
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
In your pants!
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Jul 18, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
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