minor lines, 7/16/11
Saturday highlights from the Giants' farm: Brett Pill, Roger Kieschnick, and Tommy Joseph homered as part of multi-hit performances. Also notable, Zack Wheeler had 7 K and 1 BB while allowing 2 ER in 6.0 IP.
AAA: Fresno defeated Sacramento 8-5Fresno: RF Justin Christian: 3 for 5, 2B
Fresno: 1B Brandon Belt: 1 for 3, 2B, 2 BB (1 IBB), SO
Fresno: 2B Brett Pill: 2 for 4, HR, BB, 2 SO
Fresno: CF Tyler Graham: 2 for 3, 2B, BB, SB
Fresno: SP Andrew Kown: 5.0 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 5 K--2 HR
Christian's three hits paced the Grizzlies' ten-hit attack and raised his PCL AVG above .300. Also reaching base three times were Pill, who had his 17th HR, which which was a grand slam in the 6th inning; Belt, who raised his PCL OBP to .471; and Graham, who had his 14th double and 44th SB.
With the wind blowing out to CF at 12 mph, Kown had less than a quality start but improved his W-L record to 9-6.
AA: Richmond lost to Bowie 9-2
Richmond: RF Roger Kieschnick: 2 for 4, HR, 2B
Richmond: SP Daryl Maday: 2.0 IP, 7 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 BB, 2 K--1 HR, 1 IBB
Richmond: RP Wilmin Rodriguez: 4.1 IP, 3 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 1 BB, 5 K
Richmond: RP Jason Stoffel: 1.0 IP, 2 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 K
Kieschnick had his 10th HR and 16th double, improving his season line to .263/.312/.420 through 331 AB.
After allowing 3 ER in the 2nd inning, Maday did not retire any of the three batters he faced in the 3rd inning. Rodriguez provided long relief, stranding both inherited runners and having one of the longest appearances of his pro career. Stoffel's ERA rose to 3.60.
A+: San Jose defeated Inland Empire 9-4
San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 2 for 4, 2B, BB
San Jose: 3B Mark DeRosa: 1 for 2, 2B, BB
San Jose: RF Jarrett Parker: 2 for 4, 2 2B, BB, 2 SO
San Jose: C Tommy Joseph: 3 for 5, HR, 2B
San Jose: DH Nick Liles: 3 for 4
San Jose: SP Zack Wheeler: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 7 K
Joseph had his 11th HR and 24th double plus a single to improve his season line to .251/.290/.424 through 347 AB. Liles also had three hits, raising his AVG to .323. Also reaching base three times each were Brown and Parker. Playing his first rehab game, DeRosa reached base in two of three plate appearances.
Wheeler had one of his better starts, at least in terms of throwing strikes. It was just the second time in his last ten starts that he did not issue multiple walks. This start also included for Wheeler an atypically high number of groundball outs (9/3 GO/FO line).
A-: Augusta defeated Savannah 6-5 (10 innings)
(tying the game in the bottom of the 9th and getting the walk-off finish an inning later)
Augusta: 2B Carlos Willoughby: 2 for 4, BB, E
Augusta: 3B Adam Duvall: 3 for 4, BB (IBB)
Augusta: SP Shawn Sanford: 5.0 IP, 8 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 3 BB, 2 K
With three singles and a walk, Duvall reached base four times, improving his OBP to .392. Willoughby was one of two other GreenJackets to reach base three times.
After having just 1 ER allowed during his past three starts combined, Sanford came up shy of a quality start. The 20-year-old still has an impressive 2.76 ERA in sixteen starts.
ssA: Salem-Keizer defeated Yakima 5-3
(after trailing 3-1 through six innings)
Salem-Keizer: SS Joe Panik: 2 for 5, CS, E
Salem-Keizer: SP Kendry Flores: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 HB, 1 BK
Panik was one of three Volcanoes with two hits, getting his AVG back up to .333. He also made his 5th error in 26 games.
After beginning the season with 10 ER in 9.0 IP over his first three starts, Flores has improved with 5 ER in 17.1 IP over his subsequent three starts.
R: Giants defeated Angels 5-3
Scottsdale: 3B Jose Cuevas: 3 for 4, 3 2B
Scottsdale: C Eric Sim: 2 for 4, 2B, SO
Scottsdale: SP Edwin Escobar: 4.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K--1 WP, 1 BK
Scottsdale: RP Keuren Feliz: 2.0 IP, 3 K
Cuevas had his 3rd, 4th, and 5th doubles, improving his line to .273/.393/.659 through 44 AB. He has had 9 XBH (including 4 HR) among 12 H. Sim was the other rookie Giant with multiple hits. His AVG is .278.
Escobar has allowed 1 ER or less in four of his six AZL starts. Making his ninth appearance, Feliz had a season-high 3 K in 2.0 perfect IP.
DSL: Giants lost to Cubs2 5-4
Dominican: C Fernando Pujadas: 2 for 4, SO, PB
Dominican: RP Ebert Fernandez: 6.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 3 K
Pujadas (19.6 y.o.) had the Gigantes' only multi-hit line, raising his AVG to .244 through 41 AB. Pitching in long relief, Fernandez had (20.8 y.o.) had his second relief appearance of 6.0+ IP. His ERA is 3.03 in 35.2 IP over eleven relief appearances (with no starts).
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So, Mark DeRosa? Replacement for Burriss or Hall?
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jul 17, 2011 10:13 AM PDT reply actions
Tendons flap eternal.
Shake n bake!!!
by TehGreekStallion on Jul 17, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Fresno beat Sacramento for the 6th time in a row
and 8-2 vs. Sac on the season.
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 17, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions
Sac must hate Fresno because
they keep grabbing random Giants off the MLB roster and put the name “Grizzlies” across their chest.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
best Triple-A team ever
C: Stewart
1B: Belt
2B: Burriss
3B: Sandoval
SS: Fontenot
LF: Ford
CF: Torres
RF: Ross
SP: Vogelsong
SP: Zito
RP: Casilla
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 17, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Pill hit a grandslam but it doesn’t count because it came off of Vinnie Chulk.
Buster Posey: Like his team, he's done for the year.
by rxmeister on Jul 17, 2011 10:57 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
Pill
Have you seen him play it?
Please don't cut Ishikawa! 2009 Tops All-Star Rookie and World Champ 2010!
Yes
He looks pretty good to me. Interesting, though, how in the end of a close game they move Belt to the outfield and put Pill at first for defensive purposes. What does THAT tell you.
by flyonthewall on Jul 18, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Enmanuel De Jesus
1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 1 K
Why pitch a 17 year old in relief on short rest when he just had two consecutive dazzling starts
(12 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 1 BB, 19 K) ?!
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Will your team regret passing up on my boy 50 times?
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jul 17, 2011 11:10 AM PDT reply actions
Ask him to try something new – a new pitch, a new grip? Just throw him in for an inning on the day he’d throw on the side anyway? No idea.
"When the Giants call up a 21-year-old Venezuelan catcher who started the year in San Jose, was hitting well with poor plate discipline, but wasn't on Baseball America's preseason list of the organization's 30 best prospects, only good things can happen."
Congratulations, Hector!
complete this sentence, if you don't mind:
“I will be happy with Roger K and Tommy Joseph if they end the season with…..”
I’m thinking that if they are still a part of the Giants organization and not part of a trade, I would be relatively happy if Roger ended the season with an OPS of around 775 – 800 in that EL and if Tommy ended the season with an OPS of around 800.
Personally, I think Roger is playing himself into trade bait category as he has hit pretty well these past couple of months after a very slow start. I think he and culbie are trade bait for the most part. Not sure what to think of Joseph as he is pretty young for his level but he as well seems to be coming on and he plays (albeit perhaps not very well) a premium position.
Roger K: .850
Joseph: .750
Joseph is so young that anything over .700 is acceptable. .800+ and I’ll be very happy.
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ToJo's defense has supposedly been getting better...
Also, according to fangraphs his k-rate is a not too horrible 19%. My biggest concern with him (outside of his ability to stick at catcher) is the fact that he doesn’t walk and doesn’t hit for a high enough average to make up for it. Dude makes a lot of outs.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
“…an OBP over .330/.310.”
After the starts they both had (RK .240 wOBA in April; TJ .202 wOBA in May), that would indicate very solid second halves for both.
"When the Giants call up a 21-year-old Venezuelan catcher who started the year in San Jose, was hitting well with poor plate discipline, but wasn't on Baseball America's preseason list of the organization's 30 best prospects, only good things can happen."
Congratulations, Hector!
Kieschnick: 24 year old corner OF producing a below league average offensive season (currently 62nd in the league in OPS) in his return to AA and sporting a 24% K rate? I highly doubt I’ll be all that happy with his year.
Perhaps a more intriguing question: what will Francisco Peguero and Chris Dominguez need to do in the Eastern League for people to be happy (or in Dominguez’ case, interested) with them?
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BBrandon BBelt
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His Triple-A line:
.341/.471/.578 in 170 plate appearances this year and .311/.451/.574 in 283 PAs if you include last year.
I can’t recall any other Giant hitting quite that well in Fresno. Even Buster and Nate were a little off that pace.
by Dan from NM on Jul 17, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
For comparison
Buster in Triple-A: .337/.421/.535
Nate: .325/.362/.569
by Dan from NM on Jul 17, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Hitting???
BBelt does more walking than anything. Good thing for Pill though…..he keeps hitting him in. Another home run today, #18. Now has 78 RBI’s.
by flyonthewall on Jul 17, 2011 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The .341 and .578 would seem to argue with that statement (both considerably higher than Pill’s numbers btw).
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The only really “telling” stat to me is estimated runs produced…..takes everything into consideration. Runs scored plus RBIs minus home runs. Could care less about the other stupid numbers everyone throws out here. Have you ever seen him play, btw?
by flyonthewall on Jul 18, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Runs produced really doesn’t take everything into consideration. Mostly it’s just trying to tell you what OBP and SLG already do only with a whole lot of noise introduced in to fuzzy up the meaning considerably (for instance, last year Pill scored the fewest runs of his career; he also had the lowest OBP in his career and there’s more than a little correlation between those two things; in 2008 he had far and away his lowest RBI total and far and away his lowest SLG and there’s doubtless some correlation between those two things as well).
And yes, I’ve seen both Belt and Pill play on a few ocassions. Which was fun, but I wouldn’t apply much meaning to my perceptions based on that.
Obviously as a 2B he’s a more interesting prospect and could find a way to getting a shot at the big leagues. You really have to have an extraordinary bat to be able to survive in the majors as a RH hitting 1B, and Pill’s minor league and college history doesn’t suggest that he has a really special bat.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
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Does anyone really care at this point what a player did in college or the beginning of his minor league career? This is 2011….what is relevant is what he is doing now. The problem is that RBI’s are not an important stat on MCC for whatever reason. It works great for the Grizzlies with Belt walking so much in front of Pill….just gives him more RBI’s. Sorry, just not a Belt groupie. Defensively he looks awkward and uncoordinated. Offensively, he is a good left-handed hitter, but nothing really special either. The Giants should do Pill a favor and trade him.
by flyonthewall on Jul 18, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
i like RBI’s and when i was into that fantasy baseball stuff about 6-7 years ago i thought “runs produced” was the coolest stat ever….as far as Belt vs. Pill, there are people smarter than myself who know why Belt is a great prospect and Pill isn’t…i mean do you think BA or Keith Law would put Brett Pill in a Top 200 or Top 300 prospect list?
by repeat_in_2011 on Jul 18, 2011 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions
And this is why unqualified people shouldn't trust their eyes
Yikes.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
"And besides, if I wanted to participate in a mindless patriotic ritual where my voice isn’t really heard, I would vote." - Chris Marcil
Don’t limit it to McC. Theo Epstein has said many times that the Red Sox front office never refers to RBIs. If you read Earl Weaver’s “Weaver On Strategy” you’ll find that he, too, never considered RBIs a meaningful number. And Branch Rickey stunned other executives back in the 30s and 40s when he said that RBIs didn’t tell you anything important about a player’s contribution to the offense.
Those are some pretty good baseball minds, I think. When I was playing JC ball our coach had an assistant who had been a longtime college coach (including at Cal) who had started his career playing under Rickey’s eye, and had absorbed a lot of his ideas and I can tell you they adhered very very well to most Sabrmetric views of the game.
As for “the only thing relevant is what he is doing now” that would be true for a major leaguer, but minor league numbers always have to be filtered and translated (unless you are of the belief that all players can reproduce their AAA numbers in the majors exactly), and what a player has done before is a pretty important element in that translation.
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Any idea where the errors are coming from for Panik? Throws? Clank-glove? He’s certainly not making me confident that he’ll stay at SS.
Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
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Second full year
Doesn’t count. Ishikawa hit something like 1.300 OPS in his second lap as well..
Adoptive father of Caleb Hous.... hous... housyourdaddy?
Ishikawa’s never had a second full season in AAA. In fact, he’s never had a single full season in AAA. In 2008, he put up an 1.107 OPS in 48 games in the first AAA experience he ever had. He was 24 at the time.
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