Revisiting the Matt Williams trade
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 16, 2011 12:35 PM PDT
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PrintThis might seem like a random time for this post, but watching Matt Williams skulk around in a maroon jersey gets a fella to thinkin’.
At the end of 1996, Brian Sabean was hired. He had a good pedigree, coming over from the Yankees, and no one really knew what he was about. So he traded the franchise’s most popular homegrown player since Will Clark, and he traded him for a bunch of no-names. The streets ran white with chardonnay. Oh, and blood. It was ugly. It was a city-wide freakout over a trade that will be hard to replicate.
But with the benefit of hindsight, was it a good trade? Well, of course it was a good trade. Jeff Kent turned into a Hall-of-Famer, while Matt Williams had a career OPS+ of exactly 100 after the trade. But was it a good trade at the time, or did Sabean get lucky?
The overall theory behind trading Williams
It was a bold decision, and Sabean knew it would be unpopular, but he probably didn’t realize how unpopular. Still it was absolutely the right time to trade Williams. He was 30, and he was (for the time) expensive. He was about a four- or five-win player -- a hard thing to find -- but the Giants were absolutely rubbish in 1996. A quality for quantity trade was a pretty good idea.
And, maybe most importantly, Williams was starting to get hurt a lot. He played 76 games in 1995, and 105 in 1996. His value was probably never going to be higher.
Julian Tavarez
The supposed crown jewel of the deal, Tavarez was a 23-year-old pitcher coming off an ugly season, but he did have a great arm. And he had pretty sweet stats coming up through the minors. A low strikeout rate, sure, but he was a sinkerballer. It would have been interesting to see what he could have done as a starter while he was still young, which was still one of the ideas behind acquiring him. This was exactly the kind of piece that should have come back in a Williams trade. He wasn’t the best prospect, but that sinker was hotter than lingerie models.
Jose Vizcaino
I used to think this was easily the worst thing about the trade, and it still probably is, but Vizcaino wasn’t that bad of a hitter in his 20s. He had OBPs of .340, .310, .332, and .341 leading up to the trade. That looks a lot better in 2011 -- it was a much higher run scoring environment back then -- but he wasn’t Neifi Perez.
The part that makes it awful is that Rich Aurilia was ready to start. The Giants had a nice, cheap young shortstop. If Vizcaino weren’t in the trade, maybe the Giants could have scored another prospect. Like Bruce Aven! Man, that guy was going to be good.
Maybe Vizcaino had to be included if Kent was in the trade. Maybe he was like the goat that kept Seabiscuit company in the stables.
Jeff Kent
If you want to deflect the idea that this trade was blind luck for Sabean, you can just mutter, "He didn’t know how good Kent would be! He made the trade for Tavarez!" It’s worked for over a decade, so don’t stop now. But Kent was pretty danged underrated -- a middle infielder with power and a perfectly cromulent glove. By Baseball-Reference’s WAR totals, he wasn’t that far behind Williams at the time of the trade. If you figured that Williams was a little fragile, and Kent wasn’t, they were probably pretty equal in value before Kent exploded into something more.
It was a good trade. It was well-timed, mostly well executed (though blocking Aurilia is pretty inexcusable), and it led to the Bronze Age of Giants baseball. It’s popular to dismiss the trade now -- and yes, maybe Sabean could have pilfered Jeromy Burnitz, Sean Casey, Brian Giles, or Richie Sexson -- but it was a trade that brought in talent for a player who was as valuable as he was going to get.
In conclusion, it’s really annoying to see Matt Williams in a Diamondbacks uniform.
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And a pretty bitchin’ curve ball
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by NuschlerFace on Jun 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Also thanks Matt for sending Johnson yesterday.
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I was like 9 years old at the time and I knew very little about baseball, except I had a Matt Williams baseball card, so I was really pissed when the trade went down.
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i was upset but was wide-eyed at the idea of getting other team’s prospects- you mean we get to keep them?!?
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by redhornet78 on Jun 16, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I knew nothing about baseball, but Matt Williams was my favorite player for no reason I can remember.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember finding out about it via newspaper (those were the days, not very good ones though). I believe the headline was “Say it ain’t so.” It might have been a Purdy piece.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
He was the one with the baton and shielf
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Is this from the new Transformers movie?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If by "Transformers movie"
you mean “Riots in Vancouver yesterday over the Cannucks game seven finals loss to the Bruins”, then … yes.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I generally
do not get in on the gameday threads, the incubator of many McC in-jokes. They move too fast for me.
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
I came...
to this blog for baseball so no hockey nonsense please.
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by Scooter Ellis on Jun 16, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Does it help to know it was staged?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
It had to have been.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
His arm stops at the elbow.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Or begins there.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Isn’t there a movie like that? CHOMP
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
PSSH. Those streets aren’t THAT clean.
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Not as cool as the other angle
Maybe she was hurt and he’s performing hand-to-cooch recessutation
The thong is, it happened.
haha
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT IF I CAME HERE FOR LINGERIE MODELS?!
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Then you’re in luck!
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That explains it
For a second there, I thought Grant had absolutely no idea what lingerie model really was.
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by bgunn on Jun 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was very upset
Matt Williams had been my favorite player since I was a little kid because my name is Matt.
Sabean got lucky.
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This is the inevitable result of socialized medicine.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Those people had to pay a 40% looters tax on everything they stole.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL U
They were all from Seattle, you should have seen them go after the drugstores!
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I really hope the Giants can pick that Peter Brand guy for the front office
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It seems like since they weren’t allowed to use the name, they took some real liberties with the DePo character. The book always made him out to be very calm and collected, but Hill looks and acts like a total dweeb in the trailer.
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Like, I got more of a Jesse Eisenberg in The Social Network vibe from him in the book than nerdy comic relief.
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From what I have read about the way he ran the Dodger front office
This is exactly correct. He was a douche.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s really too bad. It looks like they took the very athletic Paul DePodesta (played ball in college) and made him into a fat, geeky stat nerd stereotype.
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Demetri Martin would have been really good as the actual DePo too. I wonder why they decided they had to change it.
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I think they wanted a nerdy character to counter balance the seemingly cool/hip image of Pitt/Beane
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It still would have been nerdy though. But I guess they wanted comic relief-type nerdy instead of serious nerdy.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wait.
How would Martin not be comic-relief type nerd? That’s his whole shtick
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In a different way than Jonah Hill though. I guess I’m still talking about the decision to change the DePo/Assistant GM character so much from the book/reality.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think
his face/persona is a lot more recognizable too, for cross-marketing purposes.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Moneyball Express!
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Too bad Demetri Martin is funnier than Jonah Hill.
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He could have drawn pictures of the players.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
srsly
He’s funny and went to NYU and all, but a lot of people seeing him on a movie poster would say “who”?
Jonah Hill has been in lots of Apatow movies and such, and I think your baseball demographic is going to recognize him immediately (and as noted above enjoy the fat nerd stereotype).
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I should have said it the other way around.
Too bad Jonah Hill isn’t as funny as Demetri Martin.
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To be fair
Not many people are.
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gotcha
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s too good-looking. And he has the physique of a potential former player.
They wanted eating-hot-pockets-in-mom’s-basement nerd
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I know you're joking.
But I’m 5’7, 135-140 lbs, and was a math major.
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Just slap on some glasses and people are insta-nerds!
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21 BMI? it is to laugh
I’ve been in the mid 19s since I went from 5-3 to 5-10 the summer I turned 15.
Man, you sure do talk about your body a lot.
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by rotorueter on Jun 16, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/sand kick!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a PET scan of my head yesterday, and the results showed nothing.
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by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You have enough brains for two people, Gallo.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Imagine if it had shown actual pets!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
REAL BULLS IN THE BULLPEN!
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I’m a skinny dude, but I don’t flaunt it like a harlot. Maybe you are insecure.
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Ah. Trotting out other achievements. I guess I was wrong about the insecure thing!
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TRAMP!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
what were they?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Make a little birdhouse in your soul.
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by jhiat00 on Jun 16, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HUSH, YOU HARLOT!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
/ pushes wcw into a pool of lava
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Too late for questions, you are now half-evil robot.
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what is GiantPain’s BMI?
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stop talking
about Jeff Sullivan!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
So old it’s Rusty.
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by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
.
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Bandwidth!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Jporny must have hacked that account too!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
They share the same birthday
It makes it easier to steal her identity.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you sure they don’t share a different birthday?
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by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I never read the book
(I was too busy rubbing dirt on bruises with Joe Morgan) but did the book portray scouts as nothing but guys approaching 90 who don’t know who Fabio is?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Old = bad, new = efficient
The usual
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by shanghaijim on Jun 16, 2011 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Hilarious!
Of course, the bit about Pitt/Beane saying “I don’t watch the games” is just about perfect mom’s basement fodder. Of course, he did listen on the radio IIRC from the book.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
IIRC
In the book, he would either drive around and listen to the radio from time to time or work out in the gym where he had a little device that was like gameday.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Yup.
And I think in the 20th win game he actually did finally watch it and that’s when it went to shit so he turned it off.
… I’m probably remembering this wrong.
I remember hearing a description of Hill’s character as “a loner who lives in a basement”. So…
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think the movie looks bad.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think it looks unintentionally hilarious
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
With the Sorkin rewrite
I think it is much more intentional.
I am guessing you are focused on that slow motion walk image.
All I know is Andy is playing 1B.
And also, I think having Pitt play the lead is going to be distracting.
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It is a definite rental.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the Adam Dunn of movies!
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by jhiat00 on Jun 16, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The Rental fee would be $60 million
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LOLUMBERING
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nicely done
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Opening a trailer with a line like…
“There are rich teams, there are poor teams. Then there’s 50 feet of crap. And then there’s us.”…
Is typically a good way to bias me against what comes after.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
You can’t blame them for framing it as a plucky Bad-News-Bears underdog story.
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No, no. It’s not the framing. It’s the line itself. Hammer + Head.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
who plays
Terrence Long in this thing, anyway?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Robert Downey, Jr.
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what do you mean "you people"
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hahaa
I hope he can strike out realistically.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re not selling the movie to us, they’re selling it to everyone else. And in the movie, he’s got to sell his idea(s) to people who don’t understand them.
I guess.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
My friend went to a screening and said the movie was fantastic
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I heard rumors they’re moving the red carpet premiere from Oakland to San Jose.
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by Kitspool on Jun 16, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Giants block
saying SJ is reserved for movies about the Giants.
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A Band of Misfits movie!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure you jest
others do not.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
They should hold it at Century 16 Bayfair Mall
We got a Wingstop and a Chevy’s
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
ED ASNER!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions
BRAIN DENNEHY
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
It is too bad that Sebastian Cabot is not still alive.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
HA HA HA HA HA HA
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The Giants had a nice, cheap young shortstop.
I know that stats only accurately assess offense, but please no farm for Reyes.
Get well soon, Buster.
If it’s going to cost Wheeler to get Francisco Cervelli, it’ll prolly cost Wheeler and Neal to get Williams.
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We don't have a nice, cheap young shortstop
We have a cheap and young one.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Hey, Crawford seems like a good guy
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
HEY!!
Crawford is an extremely nice guy.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
He has a fiance, so his confidence must be good.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until he proves otherwise . . .
. . . to me, BB Crawfish is the future at shortstop for the Giants.
But then, I swoon easily.
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by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
How has he not proven otherwise?
He’s hit .224/.297/.345, which is pretty close to what you’d expect based on his minor league numbers. He is what he is, and what he is ain’t good.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
offensively
but defensively, he’s really really good.
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Not enough to compensate for his bad bat.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
So… Ozzie Smith wasn’t a big league worthy shortstop then?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I'M NOT IMPRESSED
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Help me out real quick.
current line: 224/297/345 for a wOBA of 263
ZiPS RoS: 227/290/345 but a wOBA of 283. What’s up with that difference in wOBA?
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He's been worth .3 WAR in 64 PA's
At this pace, he’s a 3 WAR player, I’d say that’s a major league.
Note: I do realize that would mean he’d put up a 20 UZR and 6 Bsr (which is funny cus of how many times he’s been caught stealing), but even if he’s only at 10, and a 2 Bsr, that’s still around 1.5 WAR, which puts him below average, but definitely a major leaguer.
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From 2008-2010, a reliable sample size for UZR
The number of shortstop who put up 30 runs saved, or 10 per season, was 0. There have been no +10 defenders. Crawford ain’t one either.
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From 2007 to 2010, JJ Hardy put up 34.3 UZR, while missing time in 2 seasons. That’s pretty close to 10 UZR/year
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At any given time, there's maybe one - two +10 defenders at the position
Are you prepared to say that Crawford is the best or second best defensive shortstop in baseball?
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Seeing as on draft day they said he could have been a top 5 at that time, it’s not much of a stretch that he could be top 5 still.
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Even if he’s only +5 UZR/year, if he hits exactly how he’s hitting now, he’s still going to be a 1 WAR player.
All I’m arguing is that he’s a major leaguer, which you said he isn’t.
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From Wikipedia
Brandon Michael Crawford (born January 21, 1987) is an American shortstop in Major League Baseball (MLB) for the San Francisco Giants.
Major Leaguer. Case closed.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
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American?
Where’s the birth certificate? Also, I remember being in pre-school when they told the class that Brandon Crawford had been born. We were all too young to really understand the importance of it at the time…
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by 1ManWolfPack on Jun 16, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
OMG
this again
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
againagainain
Probability(Crawford is true talent +10 Defender) != Probability(Crawford can sustain +10 UZR for half a season)
The second is much, much more probable than the first.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
wOBA is weighted based off of individual components
hitting a HR and a single and striking out twice, and hitting a double and a triple and grounding out twice give the same OPS but different wOBA values
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K.
In RoS, he’s K’ing more, with a higher BABiP. Does that normally lead to a higher wOBA?
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no
his HR rate is higher though, and HRs are by far the most valuable PA outcome
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1 HR, 64 PA
RoS, 4 HR, 240 PA. Those are the same.
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no, they're nearly the same
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Does the lowering of HR/PA from 1/64 to 1/60 really explain .020 wOBA when all other rate stats are basically identical?
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not in and of itself
but combine that with a much improved sb/cs ratio and replacing an IBB and a couple of BBs with HBPs will help
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Ah yeah I forgot one of his BB’s so far is an IBB
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also HBP are worth more than BB (slightly)
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well, yeah, but wOBA is calculated using average base states
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not really sure
my best guess is that it indicates the pitcher is wild
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More HBP’s happen with a man on first than walks.
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not the case
HBP are worth more than NIBB with bases empty and 1 or 2 outs.
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and worth more with men on, for that matter
so it’s something intrinsic to the HBP itself
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But you aren’t denying that they happen more often with runners on first.
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no
largely because i have no idea if that’s true
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Enh. Kind of a stretch to say they’re “worth” more. It’s just an artifact of pitchers who are in the process of losing their shit.
well, yeah
by “worth more” i mean “they have a higher linear weight value”
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Seems wrong then
The value should be the same for walks and HBP. The batter shouldn’t get credit for something that is completely extrinsic to his own PA.
that's not how linear weights are calculated
and it can’t be. Whether/how HBP get factored into wOBA is certainly a debatable subject
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Tango says that getting HBP is a repeatable skill and that HBP’s happen more often with runners on first so they are worth more in wOBA
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I think you have to count them
But they should count the same as walks. It makes no sense otherwise.
from tango (though old)
One sampling issue is that you probably have a better batter at the plate following a HR, since the batter who hits the HR probably is a good hitter, and is surrounded by other good hitters. A bad pitcher is more likely to give up more HR, and therefore, the sample in which the HR is drawn is not random. This issue is much more apparent when comparing the HBP, NIBB and IBB. The Markov article cited in the next paragraph shows them all as equals. Since IBB are almost always issued to a better batter to face a worse batter, you will see very strange empirical results.
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My baseless theory would be unintentional intentional walks. It drives me crazy, but guys like Wilson will always corner pitch a guy to death before giving into him. HBP are typically random, while there may be better “timed” walks.
That is cray-z.
me too
it could also be SSS chicanery.
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to use my example above
the first example generates .04 runs more than the second. The difference in their wOBAs would be .013
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ZiPS may not be using run values for 2011 MLB? That’s the only thing I can think of. With offense down around the league, hits are worth rather… wait… less? More? I shouldn’t speculate.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You’d think they’d use the same wOBA formula for this season and the rest of this season tho.
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It was just the only thought that came to mind. If the two lines are similar enough not to account for the discrepancy, the only variable I can think of is run values.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
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by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
You know what, tho,
As much as I love Crawdad for his D, I’m really more concerned about losing those lovely prospects and maybe Sanchez, too.
Get well soon, Buster.
My bro is a Dbacks fan because of Matt Williams.
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I'll say it here: Matt Williams was my Giants favorite player of all-time...
…until Matt Cain came along.
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 16, 2011 12:46 PM PDT reply actions
Matty Alou before Williams?
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This is good logic.
See Snow, J.T.
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You like snow?
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I do! Until it gets all muddy. Then it’s lame.
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Don’t move to Chicago then.
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Wasn't alive for that era, unfortunately
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
My first favorite was Russ Ortiz. Then Bonds. Now Cain.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Also, didn't we get Trinidad Hubbard as part of the deal as well?
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Ahh...
Trinidad Hubbard it’s been a while since I heard that name.
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So what you're saying is that we should trade Casilla for Yorvit?
I agree.
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On November 6, 2007, the San Francisco Chronicle reported that Williams purchased $11,600 worth of human growth hormone, steroids and other drugs from the Palm Beach clinic in 2002. Williams later told the Chronicle he used HGH on the advice of a doctor to treat an ankle injury he suffered during spring training in 2002.
On December 13, 2007, he was named among the dozens of players alleged to have used steroids in the Mitchell Report, commissioned by Major League Baseball and written by former Senator George J. Mitchell.
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I wish there was a way to do an anonymous poll of all players who played in the 90’s to see what percentage used steroids.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m guessing upwards of 70%; the other 30% were too stupid to figure out how to get them.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
HGH to treat an ankle injury?
Sounds like someone filled out a Mad Libs’ sheet.
by Every6thDay on Jun 16, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Luckily, he had a long and stories career following 2002.
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He has made several other adequate trades, he hired Tidrow and (eventually) Barr, and he kept signing Bonds until the league forbade him to. But he has made some terrible trades and signed some awful contracts.
Overall, Sabean has made terrific trades. A few misses but overall great trades. Williams, White Flag, Burks, Schmidt, Morris, Bengie.
Signing FAs on the other hand…not so good.
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eh?
Burks I’ll give you. Schmidt, like Sanchez, he should have signed as a free agent. White Flag struck me as fine, but not special. I mean.. Danny Darwin. And Morris and Bengie were dumps, not trades. Would have been just fine as outrights. Then there have been the successions of useless trades, and of course the infamous could-you-just-throw-in-your-setup-guy-and-an-a-ball-pitcher catastrophe.
Oh I forgot about Winn.
All those trade materially contributed to the Giants getting into the playoffs or being very very good.
Look at what the Giants gave up in those trades. Nothing!
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you’re also ignoring the money factors. Morris and Bengie were dumps but he got someone to take them and got something in return.
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yeah
this makes less sense when it’s his salary mistake that is being dumped.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Again…separating trading from FA signings.
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never mind then
carry on with your analysis.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
and then TGWTWS
and your arguments are ALL RENDERED INVALID! HAH!
by shaggingflyballs on Jun 16, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I do not have time to do the accounting. Every time I have done the accounting in the past, I’ve found that even when you exclude The Trade That Shall Not Be Named, Sabean’s track record is middle of the road — a few wins, a few losses, a lot of shufflinf deck chairs. When you stop excluding catastrophe, of course, it is below average.
Who are the players the Giants have given up in trade. Nathan is probably the only glaring miss.
Burks, Winn, Schmidt were all major contributors.
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by RichHerreraHomer on Jun 16, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay…two relievers.
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Foulke was good enough to start. In relief, he was the best closer in all of baseball for several years.
the thing is
it didn’t happen.
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My mistake. He was the second best closer in all of baseball for several years.
1999-2004 fWAR: 13.4. Mariano Rivera had 13.9. Wagner, 11.1, Gagne, 10.8.
Nobody else cracked 10.
i was talking about him starting
he may have been “good enough to start”, but he didn’t. The value he provided was still only that of a reliever. A very good reliever, but a reliever nonetheless.
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we're analyzing a trade, not a career
He started all through the minors and had a starter’s repertoire and stamina. That’s what determines his trade value. His later career success demonstrates his skills.
we cannot possibly determine his trade value.
we simply don’t have nearly enough knowledge. Clearly the White Sox didn’t believe him to be starter material. Plus, they may have thought that he could either be one of the best RP in the game, or an average starter. Both are worth about the same.
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I think the “should have signed as a FA” argument doesn’t really work. There is a non-zero chance that another team trades for the player and extends them before they become a FA.
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Schmidt? The only team that thought he was going to be good was the Giants. Were you not around at the time?
I was more talking about Sanchez.
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Schmidt, like Jeff Kent a few years earlier, was a very talented player who’d been hanging around for years without ever breaking out, so he’d lost a lot of his prospecty luster. Those are good players to target in general; since Schmidt’s half-season in Pittsburgh suggested that he might have finally turned the corner, he was a great player to target.
One of Sabean’s finest hours imo.
Now THAT was a great trade
Fantastic trade, in fact. In fact, in hindsight (with getting Vogelsong back and him doing so well), this trade might be the best in Giants history (if you want to look at it that way).
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I consider the Pierzynski trade as having led in a straight line to Armando Benitez, so yes, I do want to look at it that way.
in that vein
those things led to all the things that happened leading up to the Giants winning the 2010 WS.
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I figured we had paid our dues for that WS win, what with 2002 and after being so close, so many times…
yet we still get slammed by injuries for it. dammit Karma, I thought we was cool!!
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:36 PM PDT up reply actions
A few misses?
Pierzynski trade (that’s an atomic bomb not a miss)
HIllenbrand (Accardo had a couple good seasons and we got nothing from Shea)
Ponson (not getting anything out of a trade even if you didnt give up anything is a miss)
And there’s a ton of crap for crap trades in his history. Crap for crap isn’t making good trades
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/07/gm-trade-hist-1.html
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Pierzynski was reasonable at the time it was made. That’s probably the biggest miss for Sabean
You’re looking for things to pick on if you’re bringing up Accardo and the Ponson trade.
I didn’t bring up crap for crap trade. I brought up the good ones
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No no no
It was not reasonable at the time!
You’re point was that “overall” Sabean is “terrific” at trades.
Crap for crap + some big misses is not terrific.
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They thought Feliz was closer
and better
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Than he was, not closer and better than Mueller.
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Crap for crap trades don’t bother me. Either way you have crap. GMs can poo back and forth….. forever. I won’t count it against them.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
it’s doesn’t add or take away from the resume
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Yet you give him credit for trading crap for good players?
So how you not take into account trading crap for crap?
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Because trading crap for crap = 0 gains or losses
trading crap for good players = gains in wins
trading good players for crap = gains in losses.
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This is a wrong way to think about it
Even if the players turn out to be crap they cleary had SOME value or another GM wouldn’t ask for them.
This is why people were so angry about the Freddy Sanchez trade. I wanted Freddy Sanchez badly but I thought giving up Alderson was stupid because I thought he had more VALUE. I believed, and still do, that packaging Barnes and Alderson could’ve gotten us something more than Freddy Sanchez and Ryan Garko
Just because another GM doesn’t evaluate correctly doesn’t mean you get a pass for not evaluating correctly as well.
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What?
That doesn’t make it a bad trade. That makes it a meh trade.
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I didn't know making tons of meh trades made you good at trades
Honestly, if you look at Sabes trade history it’s mostly as you put it “meh” trades.
How does that make you terrific at trades if you mostly just pass trash around.
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Because most trades are meh trades. The idea is that one team has an extra piece that some other team needs and that teams has an extra piece that the first team needs. Most of the time, they don’t amount to much and add nothing to either team other than new uniforms.
If look over the entirety of Sabean’s trade resume, there is a significant inbalance (toward the Giants) for player received v. players lost.
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That's not how trades are made at all
Rarely are trades extra for extra. It’s usually one team has a need and gives up something of value for that need.
Trades are about assessing value for needs. It is a GMs job to extract more value than they are giving up. A great trading GM looks at the asset he’s giving up and usually determines it has less value than the asset he is getting.
In the Extra 2%, Andrew Freidman talks about how that’s how he makes trades. It’s called arbitrage in the financial world Friedman had come from.
Trading something of shit value for another thing of shit value is not very savvy.
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The problem with trying to evaluate like that from our perspective is that we don’t know all the information and therefore can’t accurately assess perceived value.
Obviously it’s easier to know your own guys than another team’s, so you might think you’re winning the trade when you’re breaking even. In the case of the Sanchez trade, we don’t if Sabean could see Alderson not living up to what they hoped he would be, asked around, found some GMs saw that coming too and some didn’t, and got the best value by finding a GM that didn’t realize he was getting ripped off.
Calbearjd is basically looking at it from hindsight, which has it’s own problems, but as far as rating success, I think it’s a pretty fair way to look at things.
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by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this a fair point
I actually almost brought up the same thing earlier.
I just think it’s wrong to just discount trading crap for crap and then simultaneously give credit when you trade crap for a good player.
Theoretically then, you should’ve been able to trade your crap for something of more value.
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I think that absolutely the only fair way we can assess a trade
is actual value traded for vs actual value traded against. We have absolutely no idea what the perceived value of prospects are in the giants org or throughout MLB.
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That in itself is somewhat unfair
You can’t always do that. Who knows whether Vogelsong and Armando Rios and Kurt Ainsworth would have performed differently had they not been injured after their trades. Do you count subsequent injuries against the GM?
Plus, players have different values to different orgs. Freddy Sanchez does not have the same value to the 2009 Pittsburgh Pirates as he does to the 2009 San Francisco Giants, because the Pirates suck and need money, while the Giants are contending, have money, and are playing Burriss and Velez. You can’t just ignore the financial considerations behind a lot of these moves.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I see what you're saying
there’s really no perfect way, but I think that saying “well that was a terrible trade because he was a great prospect before he got injured” is more problematic than just assessing actual provided value, especially if the injury is related directly to the way they play (mechanics, sliding wrong, running improperly, etc). Who knows, maybe the org saw something in his mechanics that they thought made him injury prone and factored that into his value
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Huh?
Theoretically then, you should’ve been able to trade your crap for something of more value.
I don’t get this at all. No other teams are out there saying “Hey I’ve got this good player. Who has some crap they want to get rid of?”
Most trades are going to be fairly equal or they’re not going to get done in the first place. When trades don’t end up being equal, it’s usually because one of the players didn’t meet expectations.
The thong is, it happened.
This is true
There’s nothing inherently wrong with trading “crap for crap,” because neither scouting nor statistical analysis can project players with certainty. Maybe someone in the org sees something in a particular player that makes them think “sure, this is a longshot, but I see something in this guy that makes me think that he has a better shot to put it together than the other guy.”
That’s something I want my GM to do, because while it may be a longshot, you never know when someone is going to go all Jose Bautista on you.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That's not the only reason trades are made
That’s great, of course, and Friedman is an excellent GM. But some trades are made from a position of need, and some trades are made from holding surplus.
As a random example, let’s go back to Milwaukee in 2005. The Brewers have a perfectly cromulent first baseman in Lyle Overbay. Lyle Overbay was traded because Prince Fielder was ready. Without Fielder – or another better 1B – Overbay has value to the Brewers. With Fielder, Overbay has substantially less value to the Brewers.
That trade doesn’t get made just because Toronto “has a need and gives up something of value for that need.” Sure, Milwaukee can put Overbay on the bench to PH and fill in while grumbling about it, but that’s not optimal usage of the asset. Milwaukee basically has to make that trade, because Overbay is now worth more in trade value than he is to the Brewers.
That’s a different scenario than Milwaukee saying “well, we can trade Overbay to TOR because they have a need, and I have assessed that what we will get back is worth more than Overbay, plus the dropoff from using Wes Helms at 1B.”
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Pierzynski was not reasonable
It was a bad trade: a first-round pick, a functioning middle reliever under team control and a top-shelf arm who can’t stay healthy for a one-year rental of an overrated, punchless hacker is a bad trade the day it is made. That Two of the three given up subsequently performed to the very top of their upside possibilities was awful luck besides, but the trade was indefensible even if they had merely performed to expectations.
Pierzynski still had arb years remaining, IIRC.
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Sorry, should have left the one-year rental out of the day-the-trade-was-made analysis. He was still a punchless hacker.
In hindsight tho, he was a 1 year rental since he didn’t get offered arb and didn’t get traded.
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Supply and demand. Second year arbitration “all star level” catchers are a rare commodity, and you have to overpay to get them. At time of trade, he overpaid, but not hugely.
Its the subsequent declining of the arbitration that makes the original premise terrible, but nobody could have predicted how poorly AJ fitted in here. Still, he should have found a way to trade him.
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I don’t care if it’s for a rare commodity or not. With A.J., he wasn’t actually very good (and, yes, I thought this at the time). Then you add that Torrealba probably could have done an okay job. Then you add that the Giants had no closer (they decided to go with Herges in 04, and, uh, yeah, that didn’t work out) and Nathan was the only thing in the Giants bullpen resembling a bullpen ace. Then you add that they traded away two prospects.
Yeah. Bad trade. Even at the time of the deal. And, yes, I thought so then.
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Pierzynski was actually pretty darned good at the time (whether you want to believe that or not).
He just wasn’t Jeff Kent. But he was an upgrade(!) over Jose Cruz, Jr. believe it or not. Had a better ’03.
No. All average dependent, offensively
Often those types of guys don’t stay good for very long. Good in 03 doesn’t mean he was going to stay good. And, yeah, he wasn’t.
Also, I’m not big on singles hitters who don’t also walk a lot.
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Okay, well...
Just looking at his B-R page, his seasons leading up to the trade were not bad.
He was certainly worth having on a team, but trading all that potential (plus Joe Nathan, who was good for the Giants!) was a bad move.
Yeah
I must admit that a lot of it is my preference to avoid singles hitters who don’t walk. Though, the rest is true too.
I do agree that he was worth having on a team (and still is, really) That doesn’t mean it was a good trade, though.
Also, not only was Joe Nathan good in 03, but he was the only logical choice for closer the next year when Worrell left via free agency.
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Its the subsequent declining of the arbitration that makes the original premise terrible, but nobody could have predicted how poorly AJ fitted in here. Still, he should have found a way to trade him.
Just like old times! I used to debunk this one once a month like clockwork.
When AJ signed with the White Sox, it was for about half the money the Giants would have had to pay him in arbitration. Ergo, he had no trade value. None.
And as discussed earlier on another thread, the tragedy of this trade was that the team already had a pretty good young catcher.
Yep
In fact, I mention it a few posts above (along with the fact that they really needed Nathan in the bullpen)
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AJ
had a oWAR of 2.2 and 3.9 the years before the Giants picked him up. He was 26 and still under team control.
That’s basically Buster level production.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
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wait, what?
that’s not even close.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
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Why?
Buster had a 3.2 production in 2/3rd of a year which probably means he would have ended with a 4 or so WAR.
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At that pace he’d be at almost 5 WAR.
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There is going to be some leveling off
Buster wasn’t nearly as good at the end of the year as he was the first two months.
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it’s more like like a win and half difference, so the same difference between a bench player and a regular.
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention.
Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
It’s a half win difference between AJ’s 3.9 and Buster’s probably 4-4.5
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the average of 3.9 and 2.2 is not 3.9.
Guess which was closer to Pierzynski’s talent going forward?
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And that’s oWAR. You can’t just ignore defense. And sure, while AJ only had slightly negative dWAR numbers, he had a reputation as crap defensively, to the point that Twins pitchers didn’t like him. This was well-known at the time.
The worst part is that Pierzynski may have been seen as an undervalued commodity, but then Sabean overpaid for him. Ridiculous.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
He also played a month at 1B.
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It was bad because they were looking to upgrade offense at catcher
and gave away great players to get it. That is terrible thinking. Offense at catcher is a bonus.
It’s a perfectly fine idea if you actually get offense. AJ had had a career year and Sabean appeared to believe he was still getting better. Thing was, there was no reason in AJ’s minor- or major-league track record to think so.
except for the steady progression in his oWAR the three previous years
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Um, what? wRC+: 104, 88, 101, 112. 112 looks like an outlier, 90-100 the true range.
112 is still his career high. 90 is his career mark.
going from 88 to 101 to 112 is significant.
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he only played 33 games in 2000 (the 1st year)
2001: 88
2002: 101
2003: 112
All full seasons.
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no, he played 136 games
133 in the minors, where he hit 313/346/473.
Okay….I was talking about the majors but the first number is skewed since he only played 33 games in the majors.
a progression of 88 to 101 to 112 in three full seasons is pretty good and reasonable basis to assume that he would get better.
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I’ll rewrite, then: ‘[t]hing was, there was no reason in considering both AJ’s minor- or major-league track record to think so.’
He was a punchless hacker in the minors, then in the majors, then had a career year at age 26. Yes, some players build on that age-26 career year, but usually they show it in the minors first.
this is dumb
offense is offense is offense is offense. Doesn’t matter where your runs are coming from, an offensive improvement of 10 runs/year at catcher is worth EXACTLY the same as +10 runs/year at 1B
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I thought he was being sarcastic.
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But the penalty for sucky defense is much greater at catcher than first base.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
no it's not.
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the margin between "average" and "suck" might be narrower
but a -3 defender at C is worth the same amount of fielding runs as a -3 defender at 1B
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and in any case
AJ was a perfectly cromulent defender
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If you make the run penalty equal for shitty defense at each position that is true. That is not the case.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
that's what "the margin between 'average' and 'suck' might be narrower" means
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in other words
it’s easier to be a sucky catcher than a sucky 1B, but a -3 catcher and a -3 1B (oWAR being equal) provide the same amount of value.
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Of course, if you insist on using ‘-3 WAR’ as though it had some meaning. The fact is that a crappy catcher will cost more runs than a similarly crappy first baseman, if for no other reason than because the catcher is involved in more plays. This is why catcher is a premium defensive position.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
well, yes
and -3 (runs, by the way) does have a meaning. Why do you insist it doesn’t?
Catcher is a premium defensive position because not many can play it well. The range of talents is still pretty narrow. The worst catcher and the worst 1b/2b/whatever will probably be worth about the same value defensively.
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Because defensive metrics aren’t that good (especially for catchers), WAR is dependent on them, and that citing a number as though it has real meaning leads one to a false sense of accuracy?
I’m not sure I buy your contention about catchers and first basemen. I would counter that the difference between Buster and Whiteside’s defense (at least how he’s played so far) may already be three runs after a month.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't buy YOUR contention about catchers and 1b
largely because teams wouldn’t put a guy who was costing them 20 runs/season at C. The real range of defensive value by position is likely to be very similar to each position, simply because someone who was taking away too much value with bad D at a hard position would be moved to an easier one.
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You are making my point for me.
the penalty for sucky defense is much greater at catcher than first base.
This is the reason teams don’t abide bad catchers, move bad catchers to other positions and deal with less offensive production from the catcher position. Because catcher is a premium defensive position and the penalty for having a crappy first baseman is less than it would be for having a crappy defensive catcher. Offensive production from a catcher is a bonus. So a narrow range of talent is a result of the importance of catching and not a refutation of it.
You can talk about ‘the real range of defensive value’ but the fact is you generally don’t look to the catcher’s position to upgrade your offense.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
you generally don't
because the talent pool is small, not because it’s not valued as much or relative defensive skill is more important.
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you had me at Whiteside!
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
On a team with weak pitching it made little sense to trade it for an offensive upgrade at a position that isn’t going to play close to every day.
At the time, it seemed like the Giants were trying to replace Kent’s (and, I guess, Cruz’s) bat in the lineup but they did it by going after a catcher, and that was/is just weird to me. He wasn’t a pure power guy anyway, and that’s what the Giants needed.
You’re not often going to be able to replace a HOF bat through trade. At least, not without giving up the farm.
Playing every day or not STILL doesn’t matter. A run is a run is a run is a run.
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YAY
It’s really frustrating when someone mistakes “that idea is dumb” for “you are dumb”. Really smart people have dumb ideas all the goddamn time.
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Eh, I've had to work real hard to see baseball from a different perspective.
I grew up around and in the game so I definitely saw it from a “Who is Fabio?” standpoint for most of my life. As such, I still hold on to old opinions that don’t hold any water because they’re mostly based on perception.
Surely that's "goddam"?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I would agree with that
and a 10 run upgrade at C may cost more than a 10 run upgrade at 1B. The baseball value of 10 runs at C and 10 at 1B is the same, but the $/prospect value could be wildly different
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depends on your current 1B and C
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I wonder if that's actually true though
assuming you mean average for their positions, and not league average, in which case it’d be a no-brainer
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Well, I believe the range of offensive production for 1st basemen is greater than that of catchers, so there’s a lot more availability to change around your production.
I say this with little statistical evidence and am simply looking at the offensive numbers for starters at both positions, along with my intuition.
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well that's true
the range of wRAA for 1B was double that of C
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He should sign more free agents to overpriced deals immediately, so he can trade them and increase his Value Over Replacement GM!
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Jesus Montero!
Or maybe Jesus Marimba.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
When he was traded I thought the world was ending. In little league I played for the Giants, played 3B, and wore #9. Of course, Williams was my favorite player. I have always liked the Dbacks ever since they came into the league just because of him.
Coincidentally, I just got a 1989 Matt Williams jersey in the mail about an hour ago. Was kinda funny to come here and see this post.
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Matt seems to fit in well with Gibson
They seem like the same type of people.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 12:55 PM PDT reply actions
Correct
Matt recently got bent out of shape because someone took too long rounding the bases after a HR. Gibson got mad at Aurilia for trying to bunt against the Tigers.
Old school hardasses.
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I can’t wait to see “Gibby’s” hard-ass ten game losing streak!!
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Remember to circle rather than step straight back.
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I will kick Gibson in the knee
And then glare at him like Aurilia did after he ripped a double.
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I kind of like old school hardasses.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought the Aurilia thing was kind of stupid
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One needs to accept some stupidity with one’s hardassery.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This is funny.
I was just thinking of how much I loved Rich when he played. I still want his autograph.
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I just remember cheering for Matt Williams in the World Series because I knew he was a former Giant. I was also wondered why he licked his jersey before each AB.
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"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Wow!
I remember when he started doing that, and one day the announcers described why. If you recall, when Williams came up, he had a terrible time with chasing the low & away slider. Part of the remedy was to keep his front shoulder tucked, and the lick was to remind him.
What is really interesting was that I was playing adult baseball at the time, and I always chased that pitch, as well (who doesn’t?!), and I videotaped myself batting. What a shock to see my front shoulder flying open, and my back leg collapsing. So, that Matt Williams thing really helped me overcome that (sort of).
Kinda pissed me off that not a single coach I ever had had addressed that. Maybe it was part of the times, as I doubt many young players today would advance without some coach intervening because of the widespread use of video these days, along with the corresponding advancement in coaching.
A guy I’ve been working with lately used to pitch at Cal in the 60’s. They brought in an assistant coach, ex-MLB catcher Gus Triandos. He would tell old baseball stories, which was the extent of his coaching technique.
Aaron Rowand…are you taking notes?
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Ah, Gus.
The old Oriole. Saw him catch against the Angels several times.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, I became a Giants fan late in 1997 so I never got to see Williams in orange and black. It’s all legend to me but maybe someday, MLB will start releasing DVD sets of complete seasons and I’ll get ‘93 so I can finally see that lineup I’ve heard so much about with Bonds, Clark, Williams, Thompson, Clayton, McGee, etc..
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
I was always too much of a Will Clark fan to care much about Matt Williams.
And then when Clark was gone, I couldn’t bring myself to care as much about the others… for a little while, anyway.
Out of curiosity, did you blame Barry for Will Clark leaving the team?
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
No.
I didn’t like Will’s pissy attitude at the time; but then, of course, as I got older and read up a little bit more, it’s clear that there wasn’t enough underwear for two dicks in that clubhouse and one of them had to go.
This
I really liked Clark as a kid but he struck me as a Kent-like player. A lot of intensity but annoying as heck.
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Gus Triandos
I had his baseball card – he was on the Phillies iirc.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
Best line I heard last night at my bar.
(From a tourist)
“We just got back from San Francisco. We had a great time, but man… For being soo small, they really pack a lot of shit in that city.”
Why yes…. yes they do.
San Francisco
Full of Shit.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
is a lot more than a ton?
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
When you pack it by hand . . .
. . . you get more into the container.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s all about the fecal density.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I only remember Matt Williams as a Diamondback.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
i remember him rubbing his chin on his shoulders during his at bats
He was actually biting his shirt to keep his front side from flying out. A trick taught in Little League.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
YOU WOULD!!
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/banned
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
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by Giant Torture on Jun 16, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you 12?
He was on the Diamonbacks in 2003. If you are 12, that makes sense, because you would have been like 4, but I’m working under the assumption that the 24 in your name indicates age.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s the number of him/her required to make a decent amount of hummus.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
hahaha
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm 17
I became a fan in the 2001-2002 offseason, but I was 8 and 9 during Williams’ last two seasons with the D’backs. Little beany couldn’t be bothered with players who got 250 at bats on other teams, since I was barely aware of the value of juice boxes.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
I've always gotten three Giants confused in my head
Matt Williams, Will Clark, Jack Clark
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Standing pat
“He didn’t know how good Kent would be! He made the trade for Tavarez!”
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
I ain't got no extras.
I have the one from Timmeh for Wed night and I’m still looking for one on Thursday. If no luck by tonight on the private market, I’ll just go to the on line source. If you’d like to go on Thurs, I can get two together. Let me know by about 5 this pm. And let me know what price level / seat level you have in mind.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Good.
I’m at my school cleaning out the room for a while, but I’ll be home in a few hours.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Williams story
I remember going to some Giants game and sneaking way down to like the second or third row behind their dugout in 1995 after Williams was injured. Jose Bautista got shelled in the game and some fan was riding him mercilessly as he was walking to the dugout. All of a sudden Williams popped his head up, made eye contact with the fan and yelled at him, “Hey, shut the fuck up.”
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
by Aaronstampler on Jun 16, 2011 1:21 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
HAHA
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
“I’ll make you suck my ass!”
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
In retrospect
It seems like blocking Aurilia was a terrible idea. But at the time, remember, Aurilia HAD been given the starting position for most of 1996 and he was absolutely wretched: 60 OPS+, .295 OBP, .269 wOBA. Choose your stat, it was awful. And it’s not like Richie was ever a defensive wizard.
Surely in the November organizational meetings when the FO looked back over the wreckage and said, where do we need to upgrade, it makes sense that SS was one the Must Upgrade list, because Aurilia did absolutely nothing to inspire confidece or suggest that he should be handed a position again on the ’97 team.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
Then Aurillia started taking steroids and all was right in the world
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
He was good in AAA, though.
And before he could hit, he was considered a great defender. Then he could hit, and that meant he wasn’t as good.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 16, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Chain of logic similar to chain of fools.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jun 16, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s the Aretha Postulate.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Much better than the Urethra Pustulate.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Richie didn’t play much in AAA, but his longest (and first) line was a .279/.361/.384 in about 300 PA as a 23 year old in the PCL playing his home games in a very offensively friendly environment in Phoenix. I wouldn’t really call that particularly good. And that came the year after he’d put up a .693 OPS as a 22 year old in his first shot at AA (in the Texas league).
Alll in all, I don’t there’s anything in his minor league career that screams out that he was a likely big league starter in the making.
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
Totally OT
But good gosh this flooding in Iowa and Nebraska is getting ridiculous. You can see my old apartment building in some of the shots of the Omaha skyline. Apparently I-29 is going to be closed for months.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
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Don’t forget SD. We’re pretty fucked too.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
For sure. And Missouri and Montana, too. It’s really fucking bad.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
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It makes me wonder why they didn’t just let out more water from all of the reservoirs in anticipation of all of the snow melting.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
lol GOP
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
That whole thing is pretty dumb IMO.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
How do you not make that headline ‘Weiner pulls out’?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Yahoo! now has:
After Weiner’s resignation, what comes next?
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw something about his support petering out on Talking Points Memo.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
From Yahoo!
In a news conference marked by loud heckling, embattled Rep. Anthony Weiner announced he would resign from Congress effective immediately, bowing to days of public pressure from members of his own party.
Heh.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
There should be more heckling of our politicians
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
absolutely
but these little tin gods get so sensitive these days
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
He'll have a successful tv or broadway show within the year or two.
mark it down!
Get well soon, Buster.
I love the Post
so much.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
It's warm today
and finally not raining
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
My best Matt Williams memory
How he ended the best game I’ve ever attended.
Anagram of "SF Giants World Series Champs" = SHARP, ORGASMIC, ENDLESS SWIFT
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 16, 2011 1:31 PM PDT reply actions
I agree with this even outside of a baseball context!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
The Curse Of Buster Posey: Tonight on Nightline
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Revenge is a dish best served by running over John Buck
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Naw
Revenge is best served watching the Marlins flail miserably and get steamrolled in the standings by the entire league.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
A timeless opinion shared by most people and creatures.
by Every6thDay on Jun 16, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
YES
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
My Floridian friends don’t think this is nearly as hilarious as I do.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
JOSE CANSECO!
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Bugs Bunny was a prophet
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
America's Australia
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jun 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
BOOOOO
Australia’s awesome
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Nick Cave?
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He’s back in prison.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Matt Williams was my favorite Giant when I was a kid and I was completely heartbroken after hearing about the trade. I remember going to a game early in the ’97 campaign and going on a rant about how “Williams would have had that” following a Mueller fielding error. Eleven year old me was pissed.
Adopted Giant - Carlos Willoughby
LOL BRITS!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:53 PM PDT reply actions
i think that number would be higher in the USA
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
This was going to be my reply. I doubt we are in better shape.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
How many men are in West Virginia? You can add that population to the total
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL XANTHAN'S HIDDEN PENIS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Some people have never been to Wisconsin. Or the entire south.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Like me.
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty much. Basically any rural or less affluent area is going to have higher rates of obesity because it costs a lot of money to be skinny.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
uhhh
well, that’s not exactly right, but close enough
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
Fair enough.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
There are lots of really poor Chinese people
that are not fat though.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Dang. Beat me to it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Different milieu.
In first-world countries, the cheap foods are fattening: lots of sugar and fat. In the U.S. in particular, we (that’s you and I, ask not for whom the cash register tolls, it tolls for thee) heavily subsidize sweetening crops and products, especially corn syrup, in a way that seriously distorts market forces.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Makes sense
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
In this line.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve been to DC.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
umm
I’m pretty sure nearly 10 million live in London and it’s surrounding areas
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I like how most of them would start to exercise if they had man boobs, as if not being able to see their penis wasn’t bad enough.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
£
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Hey, a copy error in the headline.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Unless they all share one penis, which they collectively cannot see.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that’s possible.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions
That clears it up.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
it's not congressman weiner's then
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Your mom's a girl
SOCIALISTS
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LIFE UPDATE
I purchased a new iPod. It’s nice.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The Church of Jobs thanks you for your business
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The game of Life is probably one of the best board games
Monopoly
Risk
Taboo
Pictionary
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Winner!
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Risk is pretty fun for a while
Monopoly is adequate. Life is one of those interminable “randomly generate number and move piece” games.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
YOU DON'T KNOW JACK!
actually my GF bought me the game for the PS3 and it’s awesome
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it’s exactly like it was in the 90’s. It’s so much fun
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you ever have more kids than would fit in your little car?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
meh
you just stack them one on top of the other, just like in real life.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
HI FOLKS, MIGUEL TEJADA FOR CLOWN CARS!!
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That's goes into another category of board games
Axis and Allies/Shogun
Never played diplomacy but I heard it was good.
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Kind of insanely complicated, though. I got destroyed the first time I tried to play. It didn’t help that I had Austria-Hungary.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Diplomacy? Them's simple rules!
Lot of strategy, Austria and Italy are bad choices to start
That's pretty much true for almost anything in life.
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from wiki
Diplomacy was the first commercially published game to be played by mail
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delorean go me into that game. It’s really very good.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I have longest road! :D
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Proud Adoptive Parent of one of the best Five Tool Players, The Machine.
/puts settlement smack dab in the middle of ch3zyp00fs road
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
OUR LONG NATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER
I assume you got a decent deal in advance of release of whatever they’re releasing whenever they’re releasing it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, the one near me was doing $50 off
And I had just received a nice (and unexpected) $200 graduation gift in the mail, so the way I see it, I really only paid 150 for it.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'm still waiting to get my
Samsung Galaxy S2…then I’ll just use that for my music player.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Is this for a bachelor party or just a regular Thursday night?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Jun 16, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Pretty good, yeah.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m in a great mood, hell yeah. I’ll be walking without crutches hopefully this weekend, and looks like I’ll be going back to work the following week. So excited for this.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
PSSSSSS Agent Ned, You are blowing it.
Headquarters to Agent Ned. Agent Ned. Please shut up. You are blowing your cover.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Agent Stan is doing a fantastic job
Stan Conte, the team’s director of medical services, has had a full training room all season.
“I feel personally responsible,” Conte said. “I don’t know that I’ve ever seen this many injuries. So I can only comment on that part of it. We have had inordinate number.”
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There are times when I secretly want Barajas to be our catcher this season, and then I drink.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Rad Bara-has, as Scully pronounces it.
also, you might be crazy
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
#
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Ned’s facial expression is priceless.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
X
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Handy Juan
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
HA HA
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I hate our home win song
I don’t get why we need one.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
You don't like Tony Bennett?
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personally
I think that his phrasing and tone quality are first rate, but his intonation is rather horrible. But that’s just me.
Get well soon, Buster.
old people be hatin’
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Who isn't??
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by satyricrash on Jun 16, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah but it’s his style. Sometimes I do not like Sinatra when he’s singing certain songs. His voice/style doesn’t work will for upbeat songs for me.
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Phrasing and tone quality
are sophisticated ways music nerds describe what regular people call “style.” Perhaps there’s some baseball-related parallel, but it escapes me at the moment.
Get well soon, Buster.
So I can sit back at the park and enjoy the dulcet tones of Mr. Tony Bennet while the herd thins out.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I am glad
we are not the only ones that do this.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It gives me a deep sense of satisfaction.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
TONY BENNETT DOESN'T IMPRESS ME!!
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HE WASN'T ANYTHING SPECIAL WHEN HE USED TO SING IN THE MINOR LEAGUES!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Pretty sure this is 'chasm
but either way, his rendition of Anything Goes still amazes me.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait no
I should make clear: I love I Left My Heart In San Francisco
I hate that they play Song 2 by Blur right after we win. They still do that, right?
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Wrong again.
Blur is one of the greatest bands of the past 20 years.
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I like Damon Albarn (Gorillaz FTW)
But I just don’t like the idea that we need a song RIGHT AFTER THE GAME IS OVER. Let everybody cheer and get loud, and then as it starts to quiet down, hit ’em with the Tony.
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I wouldn’t want to go to a party you throw.
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And anyway, I think the version they play is not the original Blur version, but some amped-up techno version of it.
Duh.
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They need an amped up techno version of I left My Heart.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
They need an amped up techno version of Miguel Tejada!
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Didn’t they use the Baha Men once upon a time?
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WHO LET THE DOGS OUT
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2000
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That song is the most 2000 thing in existence.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Because by 2002 all the teams were playing it.
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BOY THE WAY GLENN MILLER PLAYED
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BIG BAND MUSIC FTW!
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º
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He really was a meathead!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s his Zito look.
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Reiner Blue Steel!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
That makes it even worse
Just the WHOOOOO HOOOO
I can whoo hoo without prompting, thanks.
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yeah
kinda burned into my brain now, like that dumb Gary Glitter song was at Rangers games after goals.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I like that song in sports arenas.
But not anywhere else. Also Gary Glitter is creepy
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yeah
that was years before that happened, and I daresay it hadn’t made it to ballparks yet. It seemed very hockey-tastic.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
They should play Chelsea Dagger instead
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The should play Dolly Dagger.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I can whoo hoo without prompting, thanks.
I bet you can, you stud!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
WOO FACE
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I CAN LEAVE MY HEART IN SF WITHOUT BEING TOLD TO, THANKS FOR NOTHING OLD MAN
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by satyricrash on Jun 16, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
HAHAHA
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
YES
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It would be funny if every win, no matter how early in the season, resulted in a full-on extravaganza on the field. Fireworks, dancing girls / guys, fire trucks on the field with sirens blazing, a live yak…every time.
Opposing teams would actually fear losing here.
and also
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Well, I thought that that shirt said something completely different.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
=(
you reminded me that south park is ending
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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yay
There was really no other way to look at that episode imo, I’m glad they don’t actually feel that way
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
I just hope they follow through with what they’ve set up. The next half-season could be brilliant and fresh or staid and kind of lame.
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The last couple episodes have been totally out of character as far as endings
The thong is, it happened.
I finally watched that episode. First one I've seen all season.
Heck, maybe the first South Park I’ve watched in a year and a half. Just fantastic.
Go Cubs Go?
That’s the WORST WORST WORST song ever.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Heard it for the first time the other night. It’s awful.
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I hope you were in the hospital at the time, near the mindwipe machine.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Basketball OT:
Yahoo is projecting the Warriors to pick a guy named Bismack Biyombo
I would like for this to happen.
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They wont pick him
He’s just a friend
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Jun 16, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I'm wrecking this
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Also acceptable
any reference to a battleship or Kaisers.
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What about the Dakotas?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Haha...
interesting article on ESPN (crazy I know) about Biyombo. One scout who watched him work out was quoted as saying that
“Bismack Biyombo just played a game of one-on-none … and he lost.”
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
He's pretty much a defensive specialist ala Ben Wallace
Start growing out that fro Bismarck!
BTW: I am convinced that Wallace became terrible once he cut the fro. Aside from the Samson issues, the fro was good at blocking a player’s vision of the hoop.
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I want to rag on some Marlins fans for their team imploding
but I couldn’t find any
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by jctGamer on Jun 16, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I wonder how much Panik would be on this site if the Giants went 3-18 in a 3 week stretch.
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in a year when they were supposed to be good?
utter meltdown
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think back to last year’s games before the all star break and magnify it by eleventy
The first six innings are overrated.
the spot at the end of June last year, didn’t we lose like 11 of 13 or something?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't worry
there’s definitely one of those in the works this year, we just haven’t seen it yet.
As pathetic as this offense currently is, any bad stretch of starting or pen pitching could end up as a few weeks with only a couple wins.
wooooo
New Marlins ballpark should have them streaming in!
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Dallas only brought out about 200k for its parade?
Amateurs.
The first six innings are overrated.
In their defense
It is really fucking hot today. Like, triple digits in Texas Humidity.
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That wouldn’t have stopped me from going to our parade.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
No, you are part of the 200K that would have showed up
so that doesn’t prove or disprove anything….
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I guess.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It was totally gorgeous.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite part about the weather is when the Giants were holding the trophy.
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I'd guess
there were only a couple of hundred thousand at the Giants parade. I’m not buying the estimated million number.
TGWTWS warmed the world
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame Cliff Barnes.
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Another random catcher I wouldn't mind having for cheap:
Brayan Pena.
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Agree/Disagree: The following is (currently) the best lineup the Giants can use on a given day:
C: Chris Stewart
1B: Aubrey Huff
2B: Bill Hall
3B: Pablo Sandoval
SS: Brandon Crawford
LF: Cody Ross
CF: Andres Torres
RF: Nate Schierholtz
"With a guy like that, you have six beers, pass out, come to the park and hit."
Nah
I’d have Burrell – Torres – Ross OF
Other than that, fine. Then when Fontenot comes back, slot him in over Crawford.
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by GiantPain on Jun 16, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I mean, I believe that he's who he is
I just believe Pat’s a bit better. Pat’ll put up 30-40 points of OBP above Nate. That’s more than Nate’s D is worse.
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I agree.
We’ve also discussed how he’s much more batting average-dependent and I don’t think Nate Schierholtz will be a .290-.320 hitter. I really like his defense, but the Giants need guys who don’t make outs more than anything else.
What about
Sit Burrell for Nate when someone like Bumgarner is pitching because he isn’t a strikeout pitcher like Lincecum?
Trying to make decisions based on individual plays or what would/might have happened makes no sense.
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No sense?
Isn’t prognosticating this, that or the other thing precisely what a team tries to do when they a) construct a roster or b) construct a lineup?
Yes
But not because Pat Burrell or Aaron Rowand would have been better at making one particular type of play in one game.
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They don’t base decisions off individual plays, or at least they shouldn’t.
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Yeah, Rowand is going to start in LF tonight.
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Maybe not indiviudal plays
…but defensive replacements are because the risk of a play not being made is high enough to warrant making the change
The thong is, it happened.
if ifs and buts were coconuts, the, um…. yeah… nevermind
TGWTWS!!
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
For Schierholtz . . .
. . . as little as .280 might (I haven’t run the numbers) make him about as good with the bat as Ross. But I’m not sure yet that he can do even that. (Nor am I sure he cannot.)
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He certainly does not have the power that Ross has, though.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, let's see.
But remember first that Schierholtz, on a career basis, is at a disadventage because he has rarely if ever had any extended stretches of playing more or less every day.
Man: BB% TB/PA BA TOP Nate 5.4 1.50 .268 667 Cody 7.0 1.75 .266 822
Ross has the obvious advantage. But the walks difference isn’t huge, the BA’s are essentially identical, and Nate probably has more power than that shows (probably more like 1.6 or even 1.65). So if he upped his BA to .280 or so, it would be a deal closer a matter.
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Cody’s walk rate has improved since he’s been a Giant.
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6 innings of Burrell
3 innings of Schierholtz
TGWTWS
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Mark DeRosa is more than the sum of his tendons.
maybe
needs more burrell. can he play C?
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More or less agree.
I’m not 100% sold on Bill Hall or that Nate > Burrell. But wouldn’t be angry to see that line up daily.
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Would you slot Manny Burriss over Hall?
"With a guy like that, you have six beers, pass out, come to the park and hit."
maybe
with a short leash for Hall and/or platoon with Burriss if Hall sucks.
Yuck.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Hall sucking may bring more value than Burriss.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, he’d have to be Tejadacular, and Burriss has to make more of the good plays and less of the clanky ones.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
It's weird to think the old(er) guy has more upside than the young(er) one.
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Hall's 31, Burriss is 26
And Hall at his worst is still better than Burriss at his best.
by Every6thDay on Jun 16, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's why it's weird.
Burriss really has like no upside.
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upside:
fast mark derosa without the power and walks?
We keep forgetting . . .
. . . that De Rosa is going to make a serious effort to return this year. And though I assume everyone is sarcastically skeptical, we don’t actually know that he can’t.
Boy, if he could, what a plus that would be. He really caused more loss than any injury save Posey’s, because he was Plan B at several positions.
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whoa, Burriss is 26??!?
wow. I thought he was like 22. Yeah, he’s not going to get any better.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
yup
he was already 23 or something when he got his cup of coffee. He’s Mayor of Fresno now.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Prestigious!
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Although
how many of you thought that he was going to screw up that game ending play yesterday?
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::shrug::
I didn’t have any expectations. He didn’t panic, so he came out looking good (to me, anyway).
C: Pablo Sandoval
1B: Aubrey Huff
2B: Bill Hall
3B: Nate Schierholtz
SS: Brandon Crawford
LF: Pat Burrell
CF: Andres Torres
RF: Cody Ross
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I'd try Pat at 3B, keeping Nate in RF.
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Both guys have played 3rd.
To be honest, I’d rather see Burrell try it out rather than see Tehaha in the lineup.
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Winn at 3b
FTW!!
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TBH, I’m a little trigger-shy on Pablo catching, in light of what happened to our other best hitter while catching.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d probably take Pat to start games, then in the 6th inning Nate subs him out, so both get 2 ABs a game. Besides, Nate only gets hits after the 6th inning :)
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
By "currently" . . .
. . . I assume you mean till Fontenot and Belt return.
Still, disagree. Burrell needs to be in there in LF. Put who you like of Ross or Schierholtz in RF, but the other gets used often enough so that we basically have 4 outfielders playing 3/4 time each.
When Fontenot gets back, he goes to SS; when Belt gets back, he goes to RF and you have to make a hard choice between Ross and Schierholtz for 4th rotating outfielder.
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by owlcroft on Jun 16, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT - My little brother, WTF?
My little bro used to sing a lot of jazz when he was young. as he got older he got into more rock and indie stuff and I paid a lot less attention. He just sent me this link to his cover of a Michael Buble song, and I was pretty blown away. Especially by the second half of the song.
Def worth a listen. IMO
by projectmayhem713 on Jun 16, 2011 2:42 PM PDT reply actions
Pretty good.
Great tone.
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I wouldn’t change the station if this turned up the radio.
Good stuff. Seriously.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
agreed.
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Michael Buble wrote Feeling Good?!
In all seriousness, he’s got a pretty good voice.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
and yes, maybe Sabean could have pilfered Jeromy Burnitz, Sean Casey, Brian Giles, or Richie Sexson
I’m in this line. He got lucky with Kent. IIRC, Kent was “Mr. April” in those days, with hot April starts and then cooled off. 1997 was a real breakthrough for him.
Imagine Matty for Kent and Giles. Wotta steal, and perfectly realistic.
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Hello old friend.
The Angels inked righty Jerome Williams for their Triple-A rotation, tweeted his agency Full Circle Sports Management. The 29-year-old was drafted 39th overall by the Giants back in ‘99, one pick after the Rangers grabbed Colby Lewis. Williams hasn’t pitched in the bigs since ’07.
Only twenty-nine??
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WOW.
Seems like forever since he was a Giant. I can’t believe he’s only 29. But the sad part is that they got rid of Kazmir for HIM? WOW.
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I think if you're a has been prospect
you need to go to Japan and get awesome.
Lewis
Vogelsong
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I call bullshit. There’s no way he’s still 29.
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Jerome Lee Williams (born December 4, 1981 in Honolulu, Hawaii) is a Major League Baseball pitcher who is currently signed by the Lancaster Barnstormers. He has played with the San Francisco Giants (2003-2005), Chicago Cubs (2005-2006), Washington Nationals (2007), Los Angeles Dodgers (2008), and Oakland Athletics (2009). Williams was a Giants’ 1st-round draft pick in the 1999 Major League Baseball Draft, the 39th overall selection. He was a regular starter in the Giants rotation in 2003-2004, going 7-5 with a 3.30 ERA in 2003 and 10-7 with a 4.24 ERA in 2004.
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What is he hiding??
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
Could it be...
SATAN???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Because a vision softly creeping...
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Don't forget
David Aardsma
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I did not know this about Williams
He is of Hawaiian-Chinese-Portuguese-Spanish-Japanese-Norwegian-African-Filipino-American ancestry.
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TWHS?
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Correct
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, no wonder I liked him so much
I have his jersey. I got my picture taken with him on picture. day. Ugh, I hate baseball.
Get well soon, Buster.
If by sneaking in
you mean raping and pillaging.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 16, 2011 5:44 PM PDT up reply actions
so is
almost everyone born in Hawaii. Well, without the Lars part.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Barry Zito
2-0, 1.98 ERA, 0.805 WHIP, 12 Ks in 13.2 IP in AAA Fresno..
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Prospect extraordanaire.
Trade him while his value is “up”.
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STOP IT
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
you’re making me cry
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
correction
He’s in San Jose
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Those are his A ball stats!
He just got promoted.
Yeah
Also, you mean demoted
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yes, thank you
I am pretty interested how he does tonight though. What time’s the fresno game? 7?
OT: Moneyball Trailer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiAHlZVgXjk
Sorry if old…that would be twice in two days.
JT Snow and Robb Nen are my heroes.
But then 2010 happened.
what’s the point? it’s not like he ever gets an AB anyways.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved Matt Williams
Which is why it’s weird to look at his stat lines after the sabermetric revolution and realize that he actually wasn’t as good as we thought (because his OBPs usually sucked).
On the other hand, DINGERZ!
The day Williams was traded
My sister cried her eyes out, and wouldn’t stop. I think she is still upset.
JT Snow and Robb Nen are my heroes.
But then 2010 happened.
Tonights lineup? guesses?
Torres CF
Hall 2B
Sandoval 3B
Huff 1B
Nate RF
Ross LF
Crawford SS
Stewart C
Vogelsong P
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Yeah I think Rowand starts instead of Nate.
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no way that happens. We’re facing a tough RHP, that’s suicide for Rowand. if anyone starts over Nate, it’s Pat.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't say I would do it.
But Rowand started vs. a tough righty last week.
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I think at this point, Bork knows what’s up. Rownads started the next 2 days in the WSH series, and didn’t get another hit. I can’t see him starting again today. Kinda inclined to believe Bork realizes the split.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but did you see that relay that saved the game?
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of course I did. did you see Burrell hit a HR in the Reds series and sit the next day?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
That wasn't a clutch HR.
It was like a 7 run game.
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LOL U
clutch doesn’t exist!!
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m still just trying to think like Bochy
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I was just kidding. I personally think clutch does exist.
If you’re really trying to think like Bork, you’ll want to shoot helium into your head through your ears first.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I think clutch plays and moments exist.
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"I’m still just trying to think like Bochy"
I must admit, that one requires more answer than I can put in a pithy remark that isn’t banal.
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The series is won
I bet Sandoval rests and they put Tehaha at 3B
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
/bangs head on desk
winning today is the difference between 1.5 up or 3.5 up. I’d rather see them rest guys vs the A’s than vs our top division rivals.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Prediction for Oakland
Torres CF
Tejada 3B
Sandoval 1B
Ross LF
Huff DH
Schierholtz RF
Hall 2B
Crawford SS
Whiteside C
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
oh yeah, we get the DH…. You gotta use Burrell as your DH I would imagine.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That would make the most sense (the Giants are one of the few teams in the NL with a legit middle-of-the-order bat on their bench), but he doesn’t like DHing. I read that Sandoval was going to play some first base in Oakland.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
no bueno.
so we’re using the DH to essentially get Miguel into the game.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
also, where’d you read that?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Don’t recall offhand, but I think it was on Baggs’ blog.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
hmm… hopefully Bork does the smart thing. I liked seeing the lineup with a real middle of the order yesterday.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Doesn't like DHing
I’ve heard that. But I bet he likes it better than not playing. And even if not, as bad as Burrell’s been, I’d still rather have an unhappy Pat the Bat at the plate than Tejada.
I wouldn’t say that Burrell is unhappy with the Giants, rather, he may be unhappy with himself for not performing and thus, being kinda cut out of the roster.
He said himself, last year (before they even won the WS) that he would come back as a bench player, if that’s what it took. and the contract he signed reflects that wish.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn't mean unhappy with the Giants
I meant unhappy with DHing.
Swoop!
The Astros released catcher Max Ramirez and first baseman/DH Brian Dopirak, tweets Zachary Levine of the Houston Chronicle. The Astros had signed Ramirez in May after he’d been released by the Cubs. Dopirak was added in December. Both players had OBPs under .290 in their brief Triple-A stints.
"With a guy like that, you have six beers, pass out, come to the park and hit."
Dropped by the Disastros AND Flubs??
QUIT SITTING ON YOUR HANDS, SABES
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But they kept Matt Downs. Just saying.
/Bill Hall’d
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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I liked the trade at the time, still like it today. When you have a losing team, exchanging a 31-year-old star for a slew of youngsters who might grow up to be good is almost always going to be a smart move.
it helps
if you occasionally get value and draft good players too.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions
You know
I actually kind of forgot how bad the 96 team was. Yeah, that was a baaaaaaaaad team.
So I stopped viewing the trade in this context. Also, I keep looking at Matty’s 99 season and going, that was a nice season.
So, yeah, I’m probably too harsh on this trade.
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You know we talk about the amazing stories of Torres and Vogelsong
But Jeff Kent and Jason Schmidt (both traded for by Sabean) were similar stories. We’ve been really lucky in this regard (or maybe Sabean is really good at finding these types of players)
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He might have been
I don’t really know. But he went from being mediocre for a long time to being possibly the best pitcher in baseball at the age of 30.
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IIRC he was considered a bust by 2001.
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Just got my ESPN Magazine
Giants are the 32nd Best Franchise in Sports.
Somehow the Sharks beat them at 13
Packers are 1st
JT Snow and Robb Nen are my heroes.
But then 2010 happened.
Is it because of the stadium debt?
That would make sense.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I believe it is done in 2020
But the annual debt service is chump change compared to their revenue.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought
I read that some or much of that debt was in the form of notes payable to individual owners.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
According to this article you’re at least approximately right.
(article was written in 2004, so that would be 2019)
SBC Park cost $315 million. After selling the naming rights for $50 million and raising about $90 million through personal seat licenses and corporate sponsorships, the Giants borrowed $175 million for construction. The team pays about $17 million annually to service that debt, and will for another 15 years.
Just think, after 2013, the Giants can pay off the entire mortgage payment with the money they won’t be paying Zito, with some left over!
this
is not reassuring.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s probably tax-deductible.
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his salary is
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess this is the criteria...
Title Track
Ownership
Coaching
Players
Fan Relations
Affordability
Stadium Experience
Bang for the Buck
JT Snow and Robb Nen are my heroes.
But then 2010 happened.
Hmm
I’d have had us higher. But whatever.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Just look at them
/bans self
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This doesn't affect me anymore
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....
JT Snow and Robb Nen are my heroes.
But then 2010 happened.
by BeatLA55 on Jun 16, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Cock Hat.
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Arm porn
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the only reason I could find it and post it.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel nothing looking at that now.
I think the Posey injury replays that will go on for 10 years will hurt more than the 2002 WS loss.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL at the guy with the jacket on
He’s like what’s all this hullabaloo about?
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LOL
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
SCOTT KAZMIR!
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Doesn’t surprise me that the Sharks are so high.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I thought Dustin Ackley was the one that does drugs
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
And Now I'm going to have a choco taco
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Haven't had one in awhile
Pretty stick with McDonald’s ice cream cones or Skinny Cow Ice Cream sandwiches.
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I haven't had one since 8th grade
They sold those in my middle school cafeteria. It’s the only thing I miss about middle school.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I read this as “random elections” and I got excited.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Just found some root beer candy that I got from Claim Jumpers a week ago
serviceable as a candy.
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Totally OT: But needed some help
Sorry for the OT:
Does anyone recognize this signature? My son received a ball signed by some of the Giants staff. I figured out all except this one. Any help would be awesome!
Thanks in advance.
Whose signature have you figure out so far?
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have so far
bochy, garner, righetti, kelly and bam bam
the signature being Wotus would make sense. that’s the whole main coaching staff
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions
was that the last time the Pirates had a winning season?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This.
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The SyFy Channel
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Gene Simmons?
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Shinjo
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
Bob Howry's #1 (and only) fan!!!
The Merkin Valdez of McCovey Chronicles!!!!!!
nope
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
looks upside down, dude.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone on the Giants actually signed my hat, and the signature really looks like it says Osama Bin Laden.
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I believe that's upside down
Unless it’s like arabic or something. No English letters have a dot underneath them.
flipped the other way
I had thought wotus – but that is who i will say it is :)
Looks like an it in there somewhere
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Oops and i
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
Lifetime movie
about a single mom and her son, starring the Guvernator as the dad?
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
Turns out I signed it.
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he looks beheaded
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave Flemming?
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Still looks upside down
Maybe try flipping it 90 degrees.
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
well, there's some squiggles on the ball
but I think that says “Rawlings”
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I’m thinking Tim Flannery. Because I have no idea.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Travis Ishikawa!
?
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by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLINEUP via LOL BAGGS
CF Rowand
2B Burriss
3B Sandoval
1B Huff
LF Ross
RF Schierholtz
SS Crawford
C Whiteside
P Vogelsong
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It's ok
Vogelsong knows how to win.
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For fucks sake Bochy why isn’t Torres…!?
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Why did this happen
I haven’t been able to follow the season as closely as I’d like this year, so is there a reason?
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GRITTY GAMERY GAMER
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Torres walks too much.
Needs to be more aggressive.
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Ah, so the usual Bochy Boneheaded B.S.
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
I don’t think anyone really knows what’s going on, including Bochy. But Torres hasn’t played much in the last few days.
makes you wonder if he hurt himself a little on some of those plays he’s been making at Chase Field
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, at least that would be a reason
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
Which is why he was used in yesterday's game?
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might have happened last night. Bork had legit reason for using Rowand vs a LHP, but Torres had an awkward slide on that ground-rule double Wilson gave up.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions
well, hopefully not that bad. Maybe just a bruise or lingering pain and Bork is being careful.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Reason? Reason?!?
I don’ gotta show you no stinkin’ reasons!
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Rowand is being showcased for a trade
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I hate this tease..
I get excited everytime I read it even though I know it won’t happen.
i'd sure like to agree, but the Angels have been directed not to spend any more money
Maybe we can convince Billy Beane that terrible players who run into walls are the next market inefficiency.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
007 WILL RETURN IN "SHOWCASED FOR A TIRADE"
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I wish they would still do that at the end of the movie.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
have they figured out if they are going to do another movie? MGM was totally borked financially.
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They are, it’s just taking forever. November ’12.
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That could also be true.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Remember last year when Posey sat 4 days in an 8 game span and we were all bitching? Well, that 9th day, Bengie was traded.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
remember
every game Rowand has ever played? Yeah, me neither.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I barely remember yesterday’s game.
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You just knew Rowand wouldn't sit..
I just thought it’d be instead of Nate, not Torres
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4-man black hole!
possibly 5 if Crawford can’t remember how to take pitches.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I count 3. Whiteside, Burriss, Rowand.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Vogelsong's a pitcher
Good hitter for a pitcher, but still.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
The 3, 4, 5, & 6 holes had better produce . . .
. . . because none else are likely to.
(Of course, that’s why they play the games.)
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Remember games are not played on paper
they are played to Television Screens
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somehow I thought manny would be back but I didn’t see rowand
by Hyoton on Jun 16, 2011 3:56 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
MIDDLE INFIELDER MUST BAT SECOND
CENTER FIELDER MUST BAT FIRST
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
SHOWCASE MIRITE
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slider..
strike 3
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forget platooning… Torres is losing his job to Rowand?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Playing the hot hand.
Rowand got a hit last night, Torres didn’t.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
but that was against LHP… this is fucking berserko.
I 100% root for Rownads to fail tonight, even if it is at the expense of the team.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Way to disprove my theory, jerk.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I was gonna say the same thing but didn’t want to sound too complaining-ey.
I’d rather see Hall than Burriss out there too.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I feel like I complain every day at the lineup.
But I should really save those complaints for days like these so that it doesn’t seem like I’m just a complainer.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
he's the best.
The best. And he sits.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
and personally, I would have liked to see Hall get another start. Dude did well yesterday.
but Torres losing his job to Rownads is fucking unbelievable. What is wrong with a switch-hitting, extremely fast, UZR porn OF?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Not gritty gamery enough.
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I just hope Andres isn’t injured.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
I almost hope he is (not DL hurt, just sore), because otherwise Bochy’s lineup decisions are trending back towards the utterly inexplicable.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know that they ever completely made sense.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
after seeing the Bochy Method work, you can sorta see what he's going for
Play matchups, jump at hot streaks, rest guys in clumps, and overall try to stretch a poor-hitting lineup into a good one. There’s a certain logic to it even when I disagree with it, which is often.
This is just fucking stupid.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
if he was jumping at hot streaks, trying to find production, why is Hall and Burrell not playing tonight, both of which had big hits last night?
no, this reeks of plain incompetence.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
/scores 11 runs
Sharlon Schoop - honkbalspeler extraordinaire.
Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
yep, that's what I'm saying
Rotating guys like Rowand & Burriss in on a regular basis to give rest days is one thing; this is another.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
there have been 4 days this week. Monday, Tues, Wed Thur.
Mon: off day
Tues: Torres start
Wed: Rowand start, Torres in late
Thurs: Rowand start
Burriss is getting more PT than Torres.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Including today, Rowand has started in center 4 of the last 6 games.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
by El Person on Jun 16, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Torres has got to be in some kind of pain. There is no other way to explain how Rownads plays over him.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s like Aaron was thinking about his swing over the winter and thought ‘Sure, my stance has plenty of poopin’, but is there enough cock-waggling?’
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I just puked a little.
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also, don’t forget Rownads started all 3 games of the Nats series, too. So that’s starting 7 of the last 9 games, right?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re not helping.
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I'm guessing
Bochy thinks that Rowand is really streaky and his last couple games are the start of a hot streak.
WWRWD?
But over Torres? Our second-best position player right now? That doesn’t make sense. Any other outfielder, but not Torres.
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He just came off the DL… it’s not that far fetched to think there might be some lingering issue. At least that would make sense.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
if that was true, then why isn’t Pat starting, who has a HR and a triple in his last games?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, trying to read Bochy’s mind, I would guess that he doesn’t think Burrell is streaky like Rowand.
WWRWD?
lol.
streaky is all Burrell is.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm rec'ing this
so that those who come here in future days will see the horrible, horrible truth highlighted.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
"Reeks". Yes, I like that.
But of course, it still comes back to what many have said for, well, a long time: Bochy just does not understand what makes players offensively productive and what does not. When you have no means of judging, of course your decisions will look silly: they are—for all practical purposes, they’re just pulled from a hat.
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LOL ANDRES!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
NOT A PLATOON!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
worse.
straight-up job losing.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand WTF?
I don’t even know.
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Why is Torres in a platoon?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not. This is vs a RHP. He’s straight up losing his job.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions
He must be hurt.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t know if I’d rather find out he’s hurt and will miss time, or that Bork is just stupid today and he’ll be back tomorrow. I’m sure Baggs will find out
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
You were OK till that last sentence.
The Bay Area has never had a good baseball press, but today’s guys are not reporters at all, they’re stenographers. The number of important questions that seem never to get asked, day after day, is amazing. It’s the Rich Lieberman school of “interviewing”: wave a mike at the subject and mumble, “Uh, today’s game, uh . . . .” and wait for whatever comes out.
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the difficult questions never get asked, that’s for sure.
but given my choice between Baggs finding out or “I work for the Giants” Schulman, I’d choose Baggs.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
MOTHER FUCKER
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL ANDRES
/shoots self
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Generally the commercials are more informative than the content.
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he's terrible
hockey expert Ray Ratto! What?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
15 minutes, give or take.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Sounds like there's gonna be a GM vacancy.
Buster_ESPN Buster Olney
The Angels’ front office has been told not to spend any more money. (es.pn/jvQui6); lot and lots of dead money on their payroll
Bruce Bochy would like you to look at the career numbers and stop complaining.
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So..............
Aaron Rowand?
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
SIT ON YOUR HANDS
xoxo
Artie.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
HA HA HA HA HA
I wonder if I still have that jpg from 10 years ago.
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I wonder what they did in the offseason
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Bochy is doing something right. They're 10 games over .500
He gets a pass from me until further notice.
He could be doing many more things right, though.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
What Bochy is doing right
He is spelling “Lincecum, Sanchez, Cain, Bumgarner, Vogelsong” correctly when he makes out the lineups.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Bochy also said that Vogelsong keeps his rotation spot when Zito returns.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 16, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I’d be fine with a six-man rotation.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Without sarcasm, what are the arguments against it?
You know, aside from seeing each of our current starters less frequently? The only other thing I can think of would be raw space on the roster as injured guys return, etc. But, for lack of a better term, is there a strategical reason a six man rotation would be a bad idea? Giving all of our pitchers more rest is appealing, and the idea of “Zito: LOL 6th starter!” memes is rather enticing. (Cuz really, we could say we’re shelling out all those bucks to have the best sixth starter in baseball!)
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The better starters starting less frequently is pretty compelling. Also, what evidence is there that a six man rotation does anything but get pitchers’ bodies used to throwing less frequently?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
If we were talking about whether or not to get Wellemeyer back in the rotation, I might be more persuaded.
But I admit I see the value in what you’re saying.
My hope of having starters start less frequently would be more a rest issue to ensure we don’t blow anyone’s arm out in the middle of an August/September pennant push or something.
But GrahamCrakalaka brings up an interesting alternative below: why not have him as a “utility starter” to fill in when Timmy has All Star Break “flu-like symptoms?” Interesting, indeed.
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I’m more intrigued by having four top flight starters throw twice through the lineup, a second tier group that throws the third time through and then late inning specialists.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Such unusual arrangements . . .
. . . have been discussed before. Many of them are quite good ideas, and some have been test-implemented in the minors, typically with success.
The key question is how often a once-through-the-lineup guy can throw. Certainly not every day, almost certainly every third day; but is every other day reasonable? Much depends on that, owing to staff size issues. I have asked experts, with no clear answer forthcoming.
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Fascinating.
There are some guys I can see handling that fairly well (Zito with a bit of adjustment, Mota, Romo) and others not so much (Affeldt, Lopez, Ramirez, etc.)
It’s conversations like this that keep me coming back. Thanks, all!
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OOooooo...
that’s a very appealing idea. And I think we may have one of the few rotation/bullpens that could legitimately pull that off.
I’m positive that would be even more fuel for the “BUT HALLADAY THROWS NO-HITTERS AND YOU HAVE TO GO ALL NINE INNINGS TO DO THAT!” crowd, but gee, that ring sure still invalidates arguments nicely, don’t it?
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
Taking away starts from Lincecum and Cain to give them to Zito does not sound appealing. The only real argument for it is that it will give our starters more rest, and it won’t hurt Zito’s feelings. If you are worried about MadBum, maybe let Zito start in his place a few times.
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes he is.
He’s writing in Lincecum, Sanchez, Cain, Bumgarner, Vogelsong in 5 game rotations. Until he screwed that up, he’ll be alright. He could do better, though, but he chooses not to.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Such is the basis of our angst.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That’s like saying “How stupid of him to choose NOT the right answer on his midterm.”
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
It seems that is the consensus of the forum:
Bochy is deliberately making lineup choices that are hurting the Giants. ODd, I know. but……
uh
no
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Eh?
He could do better, though, but he chooses not to.
So one person equals the entire forum
Awesome.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 4:52 PM PDT up reply actions
His lineup choices are deliberate. They are hurting the Giants.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Right.
He’s not intentionally hurting the Giants, but he is intentionally putting Rowand in instead of Torres. And playing Rowand over Torres is hurting the Giants.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Torres is nicked up. That’s what I will tell myself, and for good reason- he didn’t look happy on that slide/fall in the 9th last night.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This seems like the general consensus.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Is there another kind?
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Admiral Accord?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
well done
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well, we need much more "wringing of the hands"
and “second guessing of the manager” and “hollow laments for better coaching” before this whole Bochy-thing gets out of hand and he costs the Giants the NL West.
Oh.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
How dare we question his doings!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
When they fire Bochy tomorrow, which manager out there
has your blessing to fill out the lineup card everyday?
I wish I can recap 3 years of discussion for you on managing
but I just don’t have the energy.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
No need really. But thanks
Just answer the question?
No because that's not my complain
you are building a strawman and asking me to knock down.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
STRAWMAN!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Are you serious? Talk about a wild swing, going from questioning line-up to searching for a replacement. Do you see the world in black and white? Is everything a “slippery slope” to you? “They don’t think Aaron Rownad should be leading off, THEY MUST WANT HIM TO LOSE HIS EMPLOYMENT.”
SHEESH.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
by satyricrash on Jun 16, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Joe Maddon certainly knows what he's doing
Unfortunately he’s taken. Decker or Wotus would do fine, methinks.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I feel like Wotus has done some strange things when Bochy has been kicked out and he’s had to manage.
WWRWD?
Decker!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
A lot of folks hereabouts like Decker.
But—big but—there is quite a difference between managing to develop talent in the minors and managing to win in the bigs. Decker’s undoubted success at the former is not in and of itself a guarantee that he has the latter skills. I don’t think one could really know without having a long sit-down conversation with him (just for starters).
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I don’t mind a big but.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I like big buts
and I cannot lie.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I just knew that would happen.
Really. As I typed it.
But I thought I’d give you a fair chance to be unpawky: you always have to give them at least one fair chance (says the Doctor).
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
If there’s such a thing as a Coaching Tree in baseball (as it is in the NFL) then I want the next Giants manager to come directly from the line of Joe Maddon. Whomever he’s mentoring, grooming, etc. on a daily basis. That’s who I want. If we can’t have Maddon, I want the man who is learning at his feet.
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jun 16, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Boy oh boy oh boy.
If you’re going to dream, dream big.
For that matter, where’s Davey Johnson these days? Ah: “Senior Adviser” to the Nats. (I can never get used to “adviser” in lieu of “advisor”, though it’s far more common and considered equally acceptable.)
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Here's one for ya
Requester or requestor?
And a bonus…
Cancelled or canceled?
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by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jun 16, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
It's actually two.
On the first, I just like the -or endings, for no rational reason (as I strongly prefer grey to gray). On the other, I very much prefer the doubled consonant in past tenses, which is perhaps because that was the norm when I was learning. Traveller, travelled, and so on are the only way, for me, though I wouldn’t call the newer forms “wrong”. Language can be infelicitous, or even downright ugly, without being technically incorrect.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I would happily give Rags a shot.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
You must be new here.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
No.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
hey
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome!
Please feel free to join in our lineup-related freakout. I’ve compiled several handy templates.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Welcome!
We’ll try to be friendly. At least Lars will.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
There are no girls on the internet so
Hi City Guy.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Yeah, what he said. No wimmins on the intertubes
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Helloooo there.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey there!
natto will be along with a sparkly welcome .gif any time now
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
You’re okay by me, dude.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Hiya!
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I GOT SO CITY GURL ON YOU
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Just got back from a 3 day trip
Update me
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:18 PM PDT reply actions
FUCK. SHIT. BALLS.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The usual, huh?
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I really wanted to post the “Double? No. Double? YES!” gif from the playoffs. Oh well.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
May I interest you in a video you might want to watch ~
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
READ MY CRAPPY FANPOST
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/6/5/2207401/the-juggernate-a-story-in-motion
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
City Girl????
You don’t by any chance post under the same name on librarything, do you?
Get well soon, Buster.
Welcome anyway!
I’m a newbie, too, and of the non-existent gender. The only thing I can advise is that when you get hazed, and you WILL be hazed, just give back as good as you get. When your back is againt the wall, remember that many of these animals can be distracted by sexual innuendo. (For owlcroft, however, I recommend bowing & scraping.)
Get well soon, Buster.
Oh, you make us sound like horrible people.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Some of you guys are hilarious.
by City Girl on Jun 16, 2011 6:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Or just throw money.
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LOL, thanks for the useful insight, tortured! I kinda new what I was in for when I joined…and I am pretty good at distracting animals…when I’m in the mood :)
by City Girl on Jun 16, 2011 6:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently City Girl is not so impressed with your little baseball video. Might call out the big guns?
haha thanks. I only brought it up cause I saw you joined a couple of days ago and you said you were a Nate fan. Maybe you haven’t seen it.
Now I feel like 66gigantus.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Oh, Please, I wasn’t making fun of you. I’m the worst at spelling and grammar when I type. I didn’t even notice. MCC is just a cool place to jump into…
It used to end and then start back up again. But now it seems to go on endlessly… And you are right the pace is quick. Only the strong can keep up :-)
Just don’t get chopped.
I know you weren’t turf toe….I am not that easily offended. ;) I’m now on my phone so I’m sure to make more typos..
by City Girl on Jun 16, 2011 5:48 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
But have you seen this?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
ooo best cupcake
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
somebody alert kdl
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
9 out of 10 times you should say no to jctgamer when he asks this question
The first six innings are overrated.
read my sig
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
dude's got some ridiculous abs
and also on occasion some ridiculous ABs.
By the by, you may want to use the reply button at the bottom of the target post next to the plus sign.. :) It’s deceptive.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
oh trust me, the Reply Fail is a time-honored tradition
i’m probably going to do it at least twice during the gamethread.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Seeing him as the guest judge on Top Chef Masters was jarring.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
ahahah what
that sounds fucking bizarre
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
He was very mellow and polite. He seemed really knowledgeable and said cooking was his hobby.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
My photobucket account is going to be sore
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
If you’re a female, then why can I inspect your member?
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions
0_o
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh no.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
well done
you’re going to fit in just fine.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
TW…. oh, never mind.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Bahaha! Welcome, welcome…you’ll like it here.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Because Grant lets me.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions
the plot thickens
and so does something else
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
(NOT BEARD)
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
aparantly two people from Community almost made out
This is newsworthy because they are both women and probably hot
"A specter is haunting the Bullpen- the specter of Affeldt."
hey uproxx, wasn't that from an episode like half a year ago?
I mean I appreciate Gillian Jacobs & Allison Brie making out as much as the next red-blooded American male; I’m just saying, BREAKING NEWS.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Those two people are Miguel Tejada and Eli Whiteside
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
great, now i'm impotent.
thanks jctGamer.
"A specter is haunting the Bullpen- the specter of Affeldt."
Nobody makes outs better
nobody.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I don’t know what that is.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Think about this:
Giants by plate appearances (that is, play time):
276 Huff 256 Sanchez 248 Tejada 190 Rowand 185 Posey 181 Ross 168 Burrell 167 Torres 153 Schierholtz 108 Fontenot 100 Sandoval 082 Whiteside 067 Belt 064 Crawford 061 Burriss 040 DeRosa 020 Stewart 012 Ford 008 Gillaspie 003 Hall 001 Rohlinger
Tejada has 3rd most play time, Rowand 4th most. Burrell is 7th, Torres 8th.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
by owlcroft on Jun 16, 2011 4:27 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Torres did miss a few weeks, though.
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
One month. Even so . . . .
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
LOLinger
That’s pretty dreadful, even accounting for injuries. After Crawford came up, I had some hope that they were basically letting Miggy play himself out of the lineup, but I’m not sure about that one anymore.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Tejada’s been playing well lately, so riding the hot hand and all that.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
He hit some doubles
And then he was Miguel Tejada.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
That's more of a faceclaw, though, isn't it?
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Y HELO THAR
Rowcase!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions
My guess: Torres got nicked up in the 9th yesterday
I saw him land on the warning track and said “Ow!” Sort of a dive/slide to his knees.
The thong is, it happened.
that’s what I was thinking too. It was a real awkward slide/fall.
Bork cannot be stupid enough to be taking him out of the starting lineup for Rownads, esp against RHP.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions
that wouldn't surprise me
it would also reassure me that Bruce Bochy is just Bruce Bochy and not a complete fuckwit.
(owlcroft bait!)
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
the sportswriters on chronicle live last night seemed to agree that the A’s would be a playoff team were Bochy the manager and Sabean the GM
Bochy was quantified as +10 WAR
“Bochy is a top 5 manager in the league…. bottom line!”
Thing A
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Period.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
The end.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
point blank.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
End of story.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I'm going with this because I refuse to believe Torres is losing his job by getting on base
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Pat Burrell has done just that, so…
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Hall is doing that (in a very, very, very SSS) to Burriss. I’d actually like to see Hall playing today, give him some starts, see what happens.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Bochy's enduring faith in Burriss is one of the weirder things about his decision-making
I like the concept of a multi-position utility man with plus speed, but Burriss is average→clanky at most positions and makes up for his speed with poor pitch recognition and the power of a prepackaged salad.
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Injury is the only sensible explanation.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 4:44 PM PDT up reply actions
good answer
except for the part where he started the game on the bench.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
opps
I should probably start reading the thread first
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
that wasn't supposed to be a play on words
But the lineup is full of outs.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand CF, Burriss 2B, Sandoval 3B, Huff 1B, Ross LF, Schierholtz RF, Crawford SS, Whiteside C, Vogelsong P
But the key thought is this:
Excepting possibly rookies (and really, not even them), a manager should be evaluating players on their established abilities, not what they have done in the last few days (barring injuries, naturally). That seems childishly obvious, but it is crystal clear that Bochy: a) really believes in “hot” and “cold” players; and b) tends to rate them by the classic BA/RBI method.
That is ineffably, and contemptibly, inept.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
by owlcroft on Jun 16, 2011 4:40 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I want "Ineffably Inept" on a t-shirt
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 4:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I want “Ineffably Inept” on a t-shirt, on Bruce Bochy, on my t-shirt.
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jun 16, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
contemptibly, eh? adding that one to my rotation of words to use in presentation to Japanese and Korean customers.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
At least Tejada isnt playing
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
CCRRRAAWWFFFFOOORRRDDDD
I haven’t said that in awhile.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
BRACRAW!
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
So there appears to be no reason
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Will ask Bochy. Torres came outside for BP with bat in hand. RT @MelOtt511: @hankschulman Is Torres hurt? Why not in vs RHP?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
OT
I’m all excited. Mrs. Goofus just bought 5th row tickets for tomorrow’s Blue Man Group show. I saw them in Vegas twice andI love those guys! Being a blue man would be a dream job
The thong is, it happened.
I wonder if they blue each other before the show or just blue themselves
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I was typing that joke and next door colleague (on conf call)
shouted “Make Sure You Have VACUUM INTEGRITY”. I almost lost it.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Are you a drummer?
If so you should try out.
No...I actually did a little research into it years ago
I otherwise met the different criteria.
The thong is, it happened.
make sure the tickets
aren’t for a men’s group therapy session.
LOL
Torres is fine. Bochy liked Rowand’s at-bats yesterday.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
If not, this better be Rowcasing
And the proposed trade partner wants to see some ABs vs. RHP
The thong is, it happened.
If thats the case
I’d tell that trade partner if they want to see his ABs vs. RHP they can do so AFTER they take him.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
If some potential trade partner wants to see some Rowand ABs vs. RHP . . .
. . . quickly invent some excuse: “Sorry, Aaron is a Bugundan—their beliefs do not allow playing games on Thursdays in June.”
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
/cue Blink 2 sound clip
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
..
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
on second thought
clinging to Goofus’s rationale of Bochy playing his cards close to the vest, because otherwise FUCK SHIT GOD DAMN BALLS
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU GUYS QUESTION BOCHY!!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
SWARRRRRRRM!!!!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Unforgivable.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That is a firing offense.
Bochy produces almost daily some act that, under a sane front office, would be a fire-on-the-spot ticket.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I may be gifing tonight.
If I find some inspiration during the game
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
IS THAT GRADY SUTTON??
HA HA HA HA
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I need to get me some of those glasses.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Prince Nez!
Regal!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Apparently it’s “pince” nez.
I’m dumb.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Yes: literally "pinch-nose".
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Bochy said there’s still time for Pablo Sandoval to become an All-Star candidate. The NL is probably thinner at 3B than any position.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
there's also time
for your damned CF to be a damned all star on the damned all star team you will “manage”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand is an all star?
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
WHY YOU LITTLE.....
Tell me more about what exciting improvements will be made to the team in 2012 with that neat $3M!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
@extrabaggs
Andrew Baggarly
Bochy said there’s still time for Pablo Sandoval to become an All-Star candidate. The NL is probably thinner at 3B than any position.
/insert Pablo joke
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 5:04 PM PDT reply actions
look straight up
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
hahhhaha
i left the post open while i was doing other things and didn’t scroll up. BRILLIANT
by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 16, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Progress on other fronts
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Bochy plans for Huff to DH at least once in Oakland. Tejada, when he returns, probably will move down from No.2 spot.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
TEHAHA FOR CLEANUP HITTER!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
/cue Blink 2 song clip
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
"When he returns"
Did I miss something? Does he mean when he returns to the lineup or when he returns from his assignment to triple-A Fresno?
/crosses fingers it’s the latter
"Friends, San Franciscans, Countrymen....Humm Baby."
by The Nuschlerian Candidate on Jun 16, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
That means Burriss will be starting that day.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
Sorry guys
I’m rooting for Rowand to go 0-4 tonight
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Have fun.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Yep
Of course I’m rooting for the Giants to win
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
How noble.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Do you ever think big picture?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Rooting for players wearing ’SN FRANCISCO" on their chest to fail is big picture?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
LOL SN
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
When that player having one bad game is better for the team in the long run?
Yah
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I guess I love my team too much to be a visionary like you. Wow, I’m dumb, enjoying my team winning. I WISH I WAS NOT SO STUPID!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
If you love your team winning
Then you would want them to win more.
Rowand continuing to play means we win less
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
YES MASTER
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I HOPE AARON ROWAND HITS INTO 5 TRIPLE PLAYS TONIGHT
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
IT'S FOR THE BETTER OF SOME NEBULOUS FUTURE GOOD!!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
That would actually be really cool.
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I for one am shocked
That you immediately went into childish statements in caps when you had nothing left to say.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Childish like rooting against players on your own team?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Congrats
You’ve graduated to non-sensical statements.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Like rooting against players on your own team.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Or
A version of I know you are but what am i
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
What’s more childish than wanting your team to lose rather than see a specific player succeed?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I don't want the team to lose
I want them to win and Rowand go 0-4. Something they’ve done many many times
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I’m rooting for Rowand to go 0-4 tonight
Reasonable!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Unreasonable or childish? Which is it?
Dude we get it. You blindly root for your guys no matter what. You are shortsighted and have no concept of what is better for the team long term,
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
This is dumb and you should both probably save yourselves the trouble and quit.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m rooting for you, Howie.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Thanks for your input!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
It’s a stupid conversation and I don’t see why either of you are having it.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Howie
Ain’t Havin It
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Your opinion changes everything!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Okay.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Sarcastic comments always improve the situation!
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
His Hide button does though
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
PS
THERE IS NO LONG RUN.
THERE IS ONLY NOW.
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
Yes I like IMAX
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I saw Speed Racer in IMAX
I thought I was going to go into convulsions.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait till you watch this in IMAX
#1 grossing film in Taiwan this year
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I am not sure about 3D porn
I don’t think I could handle an entire theatre reflexively dodging the money shots.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Go see it with people who like ’em! NO DODGING!
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
I thought I was going to hate that movie, and then I loved it.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions
the greater good?
he’s the greatest good you’re gonna get
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Actually, I take it back. I hope he hits 2 HRs tonight and finishes the season with decent numbers. I just wish he would do it from LF and Torres can keep playing. Let him get his starts in a 4 man rotation with Burrell, Ross, and Nate.
I’m rooting for the Giants to win. If he goes 0 for 4 and looks terrible, that’d be great. Means less starts, and likely more Giants wins.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
f < 1 ohm
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Like he needs anyone's prayers for that to happen.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I agree. It’s for the greater good. Sure, we might lose tonight because Rowand went 0-4 in RISP situations and didn’t run down a fly ball Torres would have, but in the future, think of the wins we get in which Torres runs down the fly balls and he goes 4-4 with RISP.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions
But:
The greater good may involve a smaller sacrifice. If Rowand happens to luck out, we will be seeing him forever and ever, even when he is not doing well, because Bochy is like a duckling: he gets “imprinted” easily. So a miserable fail, even if it cost a game, might actually be “for the greater good” if it gets Rowand back to the bench.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
yep. Even if his failure directly ends up resulting in a loss for the team, I won’t worry. It’s for the greater good.
If he does well somehow, I still won’t find it easy to believe that Bork would start him over Torres in the long run.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
@TdaddyNeal
Thomas Neal
Excited to play w/ current big leaguer @DarRunFord tonight. Lmao
"For science. You monster."
“Current” seems somehow inaccurate.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s excited to play with current. (I=Q/t). The rest of the big leaguers are partying @ Darren Ford’s house tonight.
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
My goodness:
One doesn’t often see it defined that way; it’s been a while.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Oh?
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
He’s a dick, made out of assholes.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a cool episode independent of Gray, but he’s kind of a lame villain.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Children of Earth will be for another day.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
The part that bugs me the most
Rowand had his chance when Torres was out, and had gotten so bad by the end, Bork was probably crying. Now Torres is available, and he’d rather see Rowand play?
whatevs. Go Giants
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
It's . . .
. . . The Giants Way©.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I know this was being discussed the other day...
What’s the general break even point for stealing bases? 80% success rate?
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I think so, but some argue about 75%
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Okay. Thanks! Was running through my son’s FanGraphs page is all. Dude can’t hit but he can steal!
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
VAPORS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions
wtf
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT reply actions
Credit to Eric Stephen of TBLA
truebluela Eric Stephen
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Might be your best work RT @PA_Dodger The love riot couple stealing home against Yankees in ’55 World Series… http://twitpic.com/5cjvjj
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I imagine this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 16, 2011 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Get a good look, Yogi?
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
That couple should have been called out as well
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 16, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s going for creepy.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Today on Giants pregame on KNBR
10 minutes of Ralph telling Kuip about the first years of the Razor and Mr. T.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
just before
(I was listening while working in the kitchen) Ralph said that he liked a blog post. He wouldn’t say which, but it was one about the Sabean interview re Posey.
This was after 5 minutes of how terrible bloggers are, live in the basement, hand in the pants, can’t do it for a living (LOL Ratto on just before this), and so on.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Kuip talks now
Bochy is sending a message to Torres, that “this job isn’t yours permanently”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
nope
although Kuip did say he was just guessing.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 16, 2011 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Just turned it on.
He was saying Bochy doesn’t lie, but sometimes he gives bullshit answers. Or something.
Get well soon, Buster.
I would think that Torres has earned the job permanently
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 16, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you mean chopped
named I believe for baltimore chop who always got left behind
He’s going for creepy.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 16, 2011 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I was mad as he'lllike everyone else
Though I was happy he worked out the trade for Rueter, so I was glad he was GM now.
Then I went and checked out Jeff Kents stats and I saw that he would put up 20+ homer seasons if someone would just give him a full time job starting. So even though I was Still hoping Matty would hit 60+ homers in a season for us, I knew his body was already falling apart and Sabean made a great deal.
I have been a Sabean supporter since.
Adoptive parental unit of Ehire Adrianza.
Godfather of Travis Ishikawa.
"We deserve this" Sabean
"Not here to make friends, I'm here to win games" - Bruce Bochy
Q: "This doesn't happen every year." Posey: "Why not?"
"Do it again Baby!" Huff
"Let's get back to work and make another run at it" Posey
2010's will be known as "Decade of the Giants"
by obsessivegiantscompulsive on Jun 16, 2011 10:13 PM PDT reply actions
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