The trades that aren't there to make...
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 13, 2011 12:00 PM PDT
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PrintThe news on Freddy Sanchez isn't good. In addition to a dislocated shoulder, Sanchez has a damaged labrum and a stretched capsule, and he's going to forego surgery for now. Surgery means the end of his season. Waiting and resting at least gives him a chance at returning. Baggs makes us all feel better by dropping a Marcus Sanders comparison on the situation.
The worst part is that Jonathan Sanchez's shoulder capsule is filled with earthy, melancholic humours, which would probably be released with a little stretching, and that's why his control is even more off this season. What a shame.
So now the Giants are looking at the following lineup:
C - (Worst hitting catcher in the league)
1B - (Worst hitting first baseman in the league)
2B - (Worst hitting second baseman in the league)
SS - (Worst hitting shortstop in the league, tied with anyone the Reds or Pirates are putting out there)
3B - Pablo!
LF - (Worst hitting in league when Rowand starts, a little below-average when Ross starts)
CF - Torres!
RF - (Solidly below average with Schierholtz, a little below-average when Ross starts)
If you think that's hyperbole or melodramatic whining, please let me know which position I whiffed on. Huff might rebound, or Belt could start when he comes back, but that's about the only concession I'll make. On the days the Giants start Rowand, there's a good chance that the Giants' lineup will include four of the worst hitters in baseball for their position. It's impressive.
Don't take this as a slam against the Giants' front office. Tejada was the only void they actively brought in this offseason, and Rowand's continued play is purely on Bochy. If you unload a can of health-b-gone on any major league lineup, you'll start seeing some awful permutations.
So, trades. It wasn't much of a choice when it was just a void at catcher -- there's just not a lot out there. The Braves aren't going to give up David Ross, and it sounds like the Nationals were asking for more than a meatball sub for Pudge Rodriguez, which is far too much.
Second base is just as barren. Look at the teams who are out of contention or will be soon: not a decent option among them. If the Giants eat tens of millions of dollars, maybe they could talk the Orioles out of Brian Roberts (erf) or the Blue Jays out of Aaron Hill (ugh). The options are almost all sub-Fontenot.
Well, except for Matt Downs. He'd be a pretty sweet upgrade. I'll just let that sink in for a bit.
I'm going through every roster right now, and I don't see a fit. Are the Reds looking to make room for Devin Mesoraco, and if so, would they just, like, give us Ramon Hernandez? Would the Angels entertain offers for Howie Kendrick? Apart from wild scenarios like that, I'm not seeing how the Giants get better.
The Giants will certainly make a trade or two. And that scares me. They need better players, so in a perfect world they should trade, but I'm not seeing a way to upgrade from "worst" to anything other than "maybe second-worst." Apart from Jose Reyes, I'm not even seeing a way to blow up the farm in an irresponsible way for a good catcher or middle infielder.
I think this is the team. Belt will come back. Pablo's on his way. But this is probably the team. Maybe a couple of names will change -- Pudge for Eli, or something -- but the production will remain the same. It's 2009 all over again.
Depressing? A little. But, heck, they came pretty close in 2009. Beats having this lineup and a crap staff.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 12:02 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I’m pretty sure that at this point we could field a complete lineup just using our DL.
by offthedeepend on Jun 13, 2011 12:04 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
/Giants leave Zito off of DL lineup
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by Kitspool on Jun 13, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
This was legitimately funny. Have a rec.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pablo's back, but as of yesterday
P: Zito
C: Posey
1B: Belt
2B: Sanchez
3B: Sandoval
SS: Fontenot
LF: DeRosa
CF: Ford
Right field is the only missing spot.
At least it’s not as bad as the A’s; their DL rotation is better than the vast majority of actual rotations in baseball.
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by El Person on Jun 13, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I finished your graph
Warning: Humor not guaranteed.
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Excellent!
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
by El Person on Jun 14, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
you and your jinxes
leave Nate alone, thank you.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
well, Ross started the season on the DL.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 13, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I was thinking this, yes
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
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by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Shoddy photoshop of the DL
Thing A
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by sam23 on Jun 13, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 10 recs
OH GOD DEROSA
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Nice touch on DeRosa, there.
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL DEROSA'S WRIST!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sabean's got nice legs.
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by Cody_ransom on Jun 13, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Christ I'm confused.
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by ch3zyp00fs on Jun 13, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
DeRosa's wrist and creepy Zito
Perfect.
by freesia39 on Jun 13, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Only complaint, Bochys head is a little small
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
by kvdp12 on Jun 13, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wow
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
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by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I am deeply worried
‘Sabean trading from need’ is a sentence no fan of a team that employs him should hear.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 12:05 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
especially for a catcher
‘But he’s an all-star with a whole year left on his contract. We’ll need a couple throwins.. maybe your setup man and an A-ball pitcher.’
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Meaning?
That Sabean almost had A.J. for Boof locked down?
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by achiappanza on Jun 13, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sabean should only be allowed to trade with Ed Wade
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by DFARowand on Jun 13, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Trading from need brought us Javier Lopez last year
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Jun 13, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You mean that guy that can’t even get righties out????
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by mhad on Jun 13, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The lack of a submarining lefty specialist is a need?
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Maybe not...
But the lack of a lefty reliever not named Alex Hinshaw might be.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
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by Ceora on Jun 13, 2011 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
at the time
there were no healthy LH relievers.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
This may be the first time that lacking a LOOGY has been equated with lacking a catcher.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Zito and Sanchez.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pablo!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Alex Hinshaw
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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by jponry on Jun 13, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
hahahaha
That’s a good one. You’re funny now that you’re all gradumacated.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
He walked an entire line-up as you typed that.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
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by Ceora on Jun 13, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The Giants are going to try to tread water
until after the trade deadline to see what they can pick up off of the waiver wire.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:06 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Yes, but for now
Torres CF
Tejada 2B(!)
Nate RF
Pablo 3B
Huff 1B
Ross LF
Crawford SS
Whiteside C
by TBRMKane on Jun 13, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
uhmm, the right side of that infield is just turrible.
by Bar None on Jun 13, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Miguel Tejada
MLB: 0 games played at 2B
MiLB: 0 games played at 2B
This year: 0 games played at SS, maybe 1 or 2 at 3B
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I clearly remember some games at SS.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 13, 2011 4:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
On the lineup card? Sure.
Making plays? I dunno.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Tejada, 2011:
Pos GP GS SS 27 27 3B 33 32
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by owlcroft on Jun 13, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why would you play Tejada at second over Fontenot or Hall?
by taliesin on Jun 13, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Textbook example of a rhetorical question.
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by owlcroft on Jun 13, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Pablo wasnt playing 3B on Sunday, he was playing 1B.
by justhangin on Jun 13, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah, Pablo is def going to be playing 1B for one or 3 of the next games. Huff needs a breather/mental break.
It’s a big series, though, and Huff has fared well at ARI in the past. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him playing all 3 games.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm going to run out of Maalox by then!
/schedules trip to Costco
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by drdata24 on Jun 13, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
TGWTWS
I wouldn’t mind seeing a Sanchez for Beltran and David Wright deal with a prospect tossed in to balance things out. That could change their lineup, with Pablo shifting to first and Huff joining Burrell at Left Out.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:13 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, that's not happening.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jun 13, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You stay out of my dreams!
I’ll live in my fantasy world if I want to!
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by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
A pony, a unicorn, fluffy clouds, and David Wright. not a bad place to spend some time
by offthedeepend on Jun 13, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It could if they included Reyes too.
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by Azmanz on Jun 13, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Keep in mind:
- Beltran is making $18.5M this year
- Contractually cannot be offered arbitration at end of season – so no draft picks!
Also David Wright’s K’s
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- A. Bartlett Giamatti
by drdata24 on Jun 13, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
These are not why this is unrealistic.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jun 13, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You should jump at the chance to trade Jonathan for Beltran and Wright
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jun 13, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wouldn't just be Sanchez
Would probably have to include some combination of the following: Wheeler, Surkamp, Brown, Neal, Peguero, Hembree etc.
If they could get it done for Sanchez + Surkamp + Neal + [Insert prospect I dislike], I’d be happy with the deal.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
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by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think
you’ll have to put Rowand in there too, they need a replacement for Beltran to go with their shiny Oliver Perez.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Um, yes, of course.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jun 13, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm so proud
You’re learning sarcasm. Good for you.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
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by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
He is evolving right in front of our eyes!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
…
What the hell is an fWARizard?
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
by waelwulf on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It’s what happens when fWARmander evolves
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Ahem.
fWARmeleon.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I knew I was going to get that wrong.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
You were close. And not specifically wrong. Charmander is the first in the chain the ends in Charizard.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
yeah
I have a vague recollection of that
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 1:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Now I want some fWartermelon.
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by jhiat00 on Jun 13, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Why do they always smash watermelons with a bat on the beach in anime?
What is that all about?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Because they get the leftover watermelons from hentia?
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by jhiat00 on Jun 13, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
PEEP SHOW!
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by ResDog on Jun 13, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
We need some new users called Giant Pain and GiantTorture to further confuse me.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
GiantsPain and GiantPayne
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
And Armando Benitez
all synonymous
by offthedeepend on Jun 13, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
If giant4life83, SF Pete and SFGuy get involved, I’m done with MCC.
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
There was a time when I would get howtheyscored and EliminateMe confused.
WWRWD?
by SF Pete on Jun 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I've been thinking of changing my handle again
Not sure I want to lose all of the history and/or deal with the N00b remarks though. Maybe I’ll do a fanpost to let everyone else pick my new handle. Any ideas?
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by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
SFGiantsPainFan4Lyfe
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
TakeAGiantBurrissGottaGo
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
LOL
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
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by jhiat00 on Jun 13, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
That one made me laugh pretty hard.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
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by kdl on Jun 13, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hysterical, you get a Rec
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by Giant Fan in Singapore on Jun 13, 2011 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
MikeCat or MikeWolf
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
TheLetterTwo
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Awesome
Except I still have my heart set on Turd Ferguson, which is apparently taken.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
TheNumberA
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Jun 13, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Wouldn't the equivalent be...
TheNumberB?
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
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by Ceora on Jun 13, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Has anyone every asked you
if your handle came from the Casey Kasem outtake from that Negativeland song “U2”?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
by Kitspool on Jun 13, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That seems vaguely familiar. I think so.
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
That’s what I always thought.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Jun 13, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, I was going to make fun of him.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Jun 13, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
It’s depressing that everyone sued. It was Negativland’s best record in years.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Large Anguish? Big Torment?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Sproing
In honor of this season.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
by marcello on Jun 13, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I think Giant Torture is very appropriate.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Thanks
If I were going to rank the finalists at this point though, they would be:
TheNumberB
TakeAGiantBurrissGottaGo
Sproing
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I suppose Mike(or whomever) in Richmond is too pedestrian? Or “Flying Squirrelly.”
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
by Lyle on Jun 13, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yeah, that might be a bit too pedestrian, but after careful consideration, I’m just going to leave it as is. It’s what I’m known by around here, for better or worse. But I do believe we someone should allow us to give them a new handle, and I nominate Torture.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
What is with all the green above this post?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
by SFGuy on Jun 13, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
ah, the good ol' days aka two months ago
Torres
Sanchez
Huff
Posey
Sandoval
Burrell
Belt
Tejada
by The Franchise on Jun 13, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
you mean
when the great debate was about whether or not to overpay for one of the best leadoff hitters in baseball?
Now we can debate whether trading the same people for a crummy C is a better upgrade than trading them for a better 2B.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
They have already been parading out the youngsters this season, but the more I see the fail, the more I want that trend to continue. We sent Belt down when he wasn’t performing, but even when he wasn’t performing, he was still just about on par with the rest of the lineup.
The point is, “How Could Hell Be Any Worse” – Greg Graffin
I’m all for aggressive, even quixotic call-ups this season. We’re not winning this lineup anyway, so why not at least buy a couple two-dollar scratchers and hope to hit the lotto. Wasting another historic pitching season is simply tragic.
At the least, can I have Neal please?
by SquadraSF on Jun 13, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Torres, Ross, Schierholtz and Burrell is a perfectly adequate set of OF. The team has needs everywhere else.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
seriously
If Huff doesn’t start hitting, and being surrounded by outs in the lineup at three other positions is not exactly going to help that, three offensive black holes in the IF make complaining about the OF totally crazy, even for the McCoven.
Poor Belt. Maybe if he’d gotten two or three more hits, he’d never have gone to Fresno, and pulled a hamstring or something instead of breaking his arm, and he’d be healed up by now.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
May I point out, amid all the wringing of hands, that Huff actually has starting hitting? His slash line for June is .298/.340/.638. Yes, a lot of that came in one game, but he has done all right since then. Last seven days: .321/.345/.464. I could live with that. I think he’s going to be OK.
<knocks wood, rubs rabbit foot, cuts head off live chicken>
by Sawtooth on Jun 14, 2011 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
May I point out
the season is nearly half over? I don’t think he’s going to keep on as bad as he’s been but I am also not citing 7 day splits.
And as noted elsewhere playing him every day for the next month is beating him up. I’ve also wondered if those early-on bangups from the OF are still lingering, or never had much chance to get better.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:29 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Right, we have three adequate guys in Torres, Ross, and Schierholtz so we’re not willing to take a chance that we could add someone who could be an actual spark plug in the lineup? None of current OFs are stars, but merely “stars” in comparison to our IF.
Sometimes, all it takes is one guy to wake a lineup up. Buster did that for us last year. I am not saying that Neal would be Buster-esque, but at this point we have so little to lose.
by SquadraSF on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I want a player who is going to be a timing chain in our lineup! I think we should add a couple of valves as well.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Our offense is like an intake manifold.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Jun 13, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
hahaha
Which one is the donut spare tire that only lets the car drive 50 mph?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Bengie Molina, but he’s gone now.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
by JRPhillips on Jun 13, 2011 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
don't count your donuts
before they’re officially retired.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Our offense is like my wiper fluid dispenser.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
I should specify: The hose that dispenses my wiper fluid is not actually attached. When I get it repaired and try to use it, it makes a noise and detaches. My wiper fluid just drains out.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
When I think of the Giants offense, one word comes to mind
Impotent.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
'blinker fluid'
We’re running really low.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well, the old cliche is to think about baseball
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
thats what i thought the first game in milwaukee. but then there was st louis
then i thought it on sat during the beat down. then there was sunday
they may be doing it with duct tape and baling twine, but they’re doing it
by justhangin on Jun 13, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Calling Torres “adequate” is like calling Superman “quick”.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
he's one out of four
Taken together, those four make up a perfectly adequate outfield.
Rowand is a sinkhole against rhp, but he can kinda hit lefties still.
by wcw on Jun 13, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
New Giants Promo!
A comic book called The Adequate Four!
I am just giving away money making ideas today. I hope TEH BRASZ is taking notes.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Susan! Where’s my Palm Pilot? I need to take some notes!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
“Never mind! Just bring the Dictaphone and a reel-to-reel player!”
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
“Paragraph. I wish I could type. Carriage return”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
interestingly i just looked at b-r, and rowand’s war is slightly higher than torres.
by justhangin on Jun 13, 2011 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He’s played in 15 more games, if that means anything. It doesn’t show up in the PA’s, but he has almost 50 more innings in the outfield.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No
I agree with the overall sentiment, but Thomas Neal is not the answer.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
There is no answer.
So when we know there is no answer, do we just do nothing? I am a fan of our OF minus Burrell, but I don’t see why some of his abs can’t be replaced. His occasional HR just isn’t doing it for this team.
by SquadraSF on Jun 13, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don’t see why some of his abs can’t be replaced
I tried to replace mine with Nate’s. It’s unpossible.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Beat me to it
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ignore Giant Torture
He’s a firm atheist when it comes to Thomas “Real Deal” Neal.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
by Lyle on Jun 13, 2011 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
then you're asking the wrong question!
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At least nobody will probably get injured today.
/sigh
by Bar None on Jun 13, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I dunno
Someone might try to iron his shirt while still wearing it.
by Natto on Jun 13, 2011 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
yep, that gets a rec
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hope everyone
sleeps with blindfolds on! Those eyes are tender!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or wash their car.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Fixed.
Or wash their car truck.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
by yoyomonster on Jun 13, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But Velez is on the Dodgers now...
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
by breadfan7 on Jun 13, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
True
But if he did iron his shirt while wearing it, he would do so with plenty of vroooommmm..
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lets just hope that the machine is on board with this plan.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Huff is looking much better lately. So there’s that.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 12:15 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Whatever you say, Krukow
"Bruce Wayne is the Brian Wilson of Gotham." -DrDC
by hairball on Jun 13, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
“Had a fantastic BP session…”
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
by bgunn on Jun 13, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
isn’t that better?
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
by DrStankus on Jun 13, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
dead cat goes boing
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds pretty close to his year to date line.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
if we're going to use arbitrary endpoints...
Aubrey Huff Batting Gamelogs for Career Games 1538 to 1544 Jun 6, 2011 to Jun 12, 2011 SFG .321 .345 .464 .809
that is better!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s sad that when you pick out one his best weeks of the season, you end up with a line you should expect from an average first baseman.
I’m sticking with “Aubrey Huff will be fine.”
And by that I mean something more along the lines of career Huff, not 2010 Huff.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff is also historically known as a second-half player
Let’s take 2007:
Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
1st Half 83 77 333 314 29 81 20 2 6 38 0 0 17 54 .258 .294 .392 .686
2nd Half 68 65 270 236 39 73 14 3 9 34 1 1 31 33 .309 .389 .508 .897
Or career:
Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS
1st Half 828 807 3467 3123 384 844 185 14 117 451 22 16 288 461 .270 .333 .451 .784
2nd Half 716 682 2912 2626 390 769 157 10 120 421 13 7 239 388 .293 .354 .497 .852
There’s hope, I tell you! Hope!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
This team has always needed Huff to be Huff. If he continues to be terrible then it was going to be a tough year no matter what. Now the team REALLY needs him to be that additional bat.
Of all the options out there, adding an average year Huff is the best option. Just gotta hope he can find his stroke.
Adding Panda’s bat will help too (obviously), maybe Belt for Ross or Nate.
Also consider . . .
. . . that where this team is now, it does not need Huff (or any other player) to have “an average season” for 2011—it just needs them to start playing like their average from here on out. If they do that, they (I use “they” because no one at all is hitting at or above career levels) will end up with a sub-par 2011—but right now, for the Giants, “2011” is less than four months long and starts tomorrow.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
by owlcroft on Jun 13, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Will we in September? October (if we get that far)? I’m completely afraid that the conventional wisdom of “these guys through so many innings because of the 2010 postseason, they’ll be completely gassed by September” is completely plausible.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I guess this is why it's so hard to repeat
You follow that season where everybody stayed healthy and even the few injuries worked to your advantage with a season where everyone gets hurt and you have no good options to replace them.
The Giants could legitimately win the West with a replacement level offense. The best option is probably to become emotionally unattached to players from 2010 and start picking up dudes off the waiver wire and explore “unattractive” options.
The Giants offense was putrid when the year started, so this should be an easy upgrade considering that nearly every single position player would be benched on a winning team.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 13, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Except the offense wasn’t putrid when the year started.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I don’t think you mean “replacement level” there.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm far less worried about winning the West
than I am about making it any farther than that.
I’d rather hold our cards, make the playoffs and get eliminated but still continue to build a dynasty that gets a few more rings over the next five years than go for broke trying to repeat this year and then fall apart for another five decades.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
This
But I don’t think Sanchez is part of that dynasty, I’d deal him for a non-rental if possible. Given the way that Huff has played, I wouldn’t mind a Sanchez for Wright trade. Panda could slide to 1st and Belt could move to RF/LF.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
the problem here
is that the Mets just lived through the Oliver Perez experience and any lefty with control problems is going to scare them off. Mind you, I realize Dirty is 1,000 times the player of Oliver, but the two are similar in that they are hard throwing lefties with command problems.
Cain is Able ...
But Wright is on the DL now (suffering from a lower back stress fracture). I just heard that he won’t even be seeing a doctor again for another 11 days. And he is getting something like $14M this year and $15M next year. If he is traded, his 2013 club option goes away. Sounds like a huge gamble even if it could be done. No?
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
he's perfect!
Add Posada, who can’t play catcher, and the lineup is fixed!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez for Wright? Hahahahahahaha.
We aren’t dealing with Omar Minaya anymore.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
wont economics dictate that we’ll have to get rid of either Sanchez or Cain?
if that’s true we should probably consider a Cain trade as well. First, he costs 15m next year and then is a FA anyway in 2013. Sanchez is likely to cost less.
Now I like Cain better, but so does everyone else in MLB. He would fetch much more in a trade than Sanchez. Maybe much more than the degree to which he actually is better, which owlcroft estimated at 2 games a year.
Not that I want to lose Cain. Just something to think about
the salaries of Rowand and Huff come off in 2013. Zito will be entering his final year. I’d be surprised if the team wasn’t able to keep Lincecum and Cain
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
If that's the case, I'd certainly rather see Sanchez go at this point.
Cain is showing far more signs of stability for the long term. In many ways, he’s still the Giants’ best-kept secret. It’s kinda nice that he lost to Lincecum for one of the CYAs. If we had TWO CYA pitchers who won the award in back to back years, our pitching staff as a whole would get MUCH more attention than it does. Instead, most non-Giants fans tend to respond along the lines of “The Giants have one of the best teams in baseball. Timmy won two CY awards, and the rest of the staff is pretty good, too.” I was very surprised at how many of my own non-Giants-fan friends never really knew much about Cain until the WS.
Better to be a Giants fan than an Athletic supporter!
I hear “timmy is special, cain is decent, what do you want for bumgarner?”
mention jonathan sanchez and the response is “oliver perez”
vogelsong is being noticed but not yet believed. nobody believes that the giants could actually find another guy doing that will in the goodwill bin
zito? you can imagine
and jeff weaver
He’s availible sabez!
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 13, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Zach duke has more homers than miguel tejada
True statement.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 13, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ll also throw up in your mouth.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
it's like a party in my mouth
and everyone’s throwing up
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
But at least there’s Rock Band.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Panda?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
We had one injury work to our advantage this year.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions
We should’ve traded everyone and started over, like the Marlins do.
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 14, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Baseball Prospectus still has us as the highest playoff % in the National League
Somehow.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/odds/
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That thing makes less and less sense each passing day
Something has to be broke on the backend.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
Eh, it makes some sense to me
For instance, it has the Braves and the Phillies as both better than us, but because they’re in the same division, they drop each other’s odds.
It has the Rockies as a better team than us too, but just not by more than the 4 game lead we already have.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
5.5, actually (which surprised me)
But I still can’t figure out how it spits out that we have a 7 in 8 chance of making the playoffs.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
Easy
It thinks the DBacks are terrible, and that the Rockies aren’t that much better than us, and that we already have a nice big lead.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
LOL DAVE CAMERON
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I can see us being favorites
But not 7/8 favorites. That is practically saying we’re a lock and we have a negative run differential.
Meh, I just can’t see it like their system does.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
You can put it this way if it helps
Everyone sucks.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
I guess I’m just underestimating that part of it.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
IOW, our pitching + AAA lineup
= .500 baseball
Which is good enough to HOLD our lead since nobody else in the West can muster over .500
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
If you give the Rockies and D'backs 1/16th chance each
and the Dodgers and Padres virtually no chance, it makes sense
The thong is, it happened.
Somewhere in Florida
Jcb9 is grabbing his ass and wishing we would stop our fortune telling.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions
AFAIK these odds are based on realized team offensive and defensive stats so far this season. They don’t account for the loss of Posey and Sanchez (or, for that matter, Sandoval’s return).
I think they do
Because the Giants were like .570 the day before Posey got hurt, then dropped a ton.
That is cray-z.
Where there’s an inexplicably awesome Ryan Vogelsong, there’s a way.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I'll feel better about all this
if either Hall or Crawford can do something with the bat. Other than carry it back to the dugout.
And BTW, that DVD you recommended (that was you? or nvsfg?) was covered in Chinese stickers and said “arrr, matey” when I got it out of the envelope. And didn’t work :( So the seller is sending me a replacement! Yay?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
I have no idea what you are talking about, so naturally I find this nonsensical and hilarious.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
hahaha
There was a baseball movie discussion the other day, and someone (I’ll have to look) sent me a link to an auction site for a DVD of “Long Gone”, and I bought it.
Really, LOL me because I’m fairly certain it was never released on DVD here. Anyway, it was a Shanghai special VHS-DVD conversion. Which didn’t play at all in my DVD and wouldn’t go past the main screen on my PC.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This movie?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093433/
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
correct
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Hey now Bob....
the conversation went something like this:
You " I can’t find this movie on DVD and I am not paying $70 for a VHS copy"
Me: " Is it this one ? Here is a link".
There was no implied or reccomendation to purchase. :-)
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Noooooooooooooooooooo
I trusted you! Also, did you get the $20M I sent you via PayPal so you can bail the Prince of Nigeria out of jail?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry..spam filter must have gotten it.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Too bad, but it will just cover the VHS of Long Gone!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
But Grant used past performances to prove that Vogelsong can’t actually have done any of the things he’s done.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
thats what he did
THATS WHAT HE DID!!!!111
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He did that.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
We should try trading some of our bad players to other teams for their good players.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
That looks vaguely like a guy I went to college with. Weird.
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
You went to college with MC Search?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jun 13, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This flies in the face of last year's strategy
The Giants picked up a perfectly horrid player from the Royals and it lead to a world series!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Bizarro scouting FTW!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade for McCann
Besides being completely unrealistic and making TL2 happy it would allow the Giants to put out this lineup against a RH. In positional order:
Lincecum, McCann, Huff, Fontenot, Sandoval, Crawford, Ross, Torres, Schierholtz.
They would all be throwing right handed and batting left handed, except Ross, who would be throwing lefty batting righty.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 PM PDT reply actions
I’d rather have Atlanta’s backup catcher, realistically speaking.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 13, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Let’s rosterbate unrealistically. That will fix the problem!
by nataku on Jun 13, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Well, if you can come up with another catcher who hits left handed I’d be glad to swap him in instead, but the only 3 I can think of right now are McCann, Mauer, and Brett Mayne.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I endorse going back in time and kidnapping the good Brent Mayne!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
At this point
the current Brett Mayne might be worth looking into.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Can Will Clark play C?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Well there are no realistic fixes to the current roster problems.
/fantasy land: I certainly wouldn’t mind Robinson Cano at 2B in a Giants uni. That would be a good get.
But the Giants already have someone who can play 2B and bat left handed. We don’t have a catcher who can do that, and if I can’t have a realistic, good offense, I want an unrealistic oddity for a lineup.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I feel like we can have something like acceptable offensive output from one middle infield position when Fontenot comes back.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
yeah
he’ll look like a freaking hall of famer out there. I just hope he DOES get back relatively soon. Like before the trading deadline.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
he left his last one
after a couple of innings, and they haven’t scheduled any more yet AFAIK.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the Giants are missing out on a great promo idea
Giants Bobble Injuries:
Pablo, Belt and DeRosa Bobble Wrists!
Mole Bobble Shoulder!
Fontenot Bobble Groin!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:42 PM PDT reply actions
I think the bobble groin would go over well
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions
DONT HOG HIS GROIN
Pease was never an option.
by shanghaijim on Jun 13, 2011 1:06 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and for the strawhats:
Jonathan Sanchez bobble-mental focus!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I tried to come up with a bobble idea for Zito
But I wasn’t clear on what exactly is wrong with him other than he sucks.
It would take an imagination greater than mine to envision and then craft a Bobble Strikezone.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Bobble-83mpg fastball?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
mph
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Do you think they'd give this out as a promotion?
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 11 recs
I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
“timmys stash”
hahaha
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
you know
it kinda sucks that you have enough injuries to fill in each of these blanks.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
character builder
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
some of them are only emotional injuries
freakin’ sissies
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jun 13, 2011 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
But if there's one thing I've learned watching the Giants
It’s that I can never anticipate Sabes’s trades.
I’ll be interested to see what he does at the deadline. I can’t see him standing pat. But I doubt I’ve even thought of the people he’ll end up trading for.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t the big trade last year supposed to be Adrianza for DeJesus?
I’m wondering if Sabez is down on Adrianza, and I wonder what we could get for him at this point.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I’m thinking that Huff will return to reasonable numbers – he’s on the way up. I think that Fontenot will be back and provide decent numbers at 2B. The return of Panda is imminent. That leaves gaping black holes at C and SS only, despite Crawford’s defense. It’s not as if the entire team is absolutely terrible, and in case Huff craters then we just hope Belt is the answer And the team has prospects.
Belt, Wheeler, and Gary Brown aren’t going anywhere, but Surkamp, Verdugo, Neal, Peguero, Sanchez, Hembree, Rosin, Marte, all have varying degrees of value. There are several other middling but possibly promising farmhands, as well as Kroon and Runzler, who may not be terribly valuable, but can help a team now. Add to that the big league relief corps; Ramirez, Casilla, Affeldt are all reasonable upgrades for teams out there and could be expendable (Mota holds little value alone). Jonathan Sanchez is the likeliest trade chip for big, big value.
So what do you do? You don’t want to give away the entire farm system, but which players are you willing to trade, and for whom? We discussed this in minor lines – there just aren’t many available catchers. At SS, Reyes and Hardy are the biggest trade targets, but how expensive will they be?
I’m just about at a loss. I think Baltimore would be more than happy to take a higher-level prospect or two for Hardy, but he’s a sweet placeholder until the Manny Machado era begins. I’m lost on C. Overpaying for one of CIN’s catchers seems just about the only option.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
but which players are you willing to trade
The bad ones
and for whom?
Good ones
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
A cunning strategy
first developed by talk radio’s finest minds
by Seasick fish on Jun 13, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
is there any sense in trying Belt out for 2B?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, that’s right. so many guys bat L and throw R that I was thinking he was one of ’em.
I think we may end up seeing Huff become the LF, pushing Ross to RF and Belt at 1B most days. Nate will sub for Huff in late innings, and get 3 starts a week in the OF on Huff rest days, when Huff plays 1B for Belt rest days, or Ross rest days.
Bork is gonna have to be very deliberate about it, and Burrell will become just a PH with an occasional start (and Rowand will only start in CF on Torres rest days vs LHP)
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Say what?
All indications are that Belt is a much better outfielder than Huff. What makes sense in the corners is Burrell and Belt, with Ross and Schierholtz worked in as much as possible.
It is not possible to use them all on even a 2/3-play basis, which is already a bit scant for play time. In essence, if the Giants had a magic wand and could combine Ross and Schierholtz into one superior corner outfielder, all would work; as is, they are overloaded, with no obvious runaway choices displacing others.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Just smile and nod.
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Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Good advice, always.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
nope
he can refuse a minor assignment.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
why would he want to refuse? he cant be happy being the worst player in MLB. wouldnt you rather take a break and come back the town hero than turn into the next ztio/rowand lousy contract?
Aside from the utter impossibility of Rowand/Zito status, no one wants to get sent down. Ever.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions
and
Zito is a good illustration as to why. That bus to Modesto must have been fun for him.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
or
one of those Bauer wi-fi limo-buses.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Rented his own bus.
And an extra one for good measure
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Jun 13, 2011 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s important to remember that there are no good reasons to go to Fresno, ever. If I’m Huff, I try and find a nice Reno-SLC-Colorado Springs road swing. If no such option exists, I would choose to remain in baseball purgatory, as opposed to actual purgatory (Fresno in the summer).
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 9:05 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Cost?
I would think the reds would be interested in a Bullpen arm and a C level prospect with some upside? Remember its a sellers market right now. Especially at Catcher.
Cain is Able ...
This
Unfortunately I don’t see sir walt letting him go for a meatball sub.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Grant, you're always in the stand pat wagon.
WHAT IF I CAME HERE FOR OUTLANDISH TRADE DEMANDS?!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Well now that I’m not teaching this summer I have a whole tub of ponies one of you bronies can borrow.
About 5 years ago I had a little girl with “special needs”. The only thing she was interested in was horses. I lucked out and found a bag of My Little Ponies at the 2nd hand store one day, they’ve been a part of my teaching collection ever since.
McC: Don't get it? Try the McWiki wiki.
Trade Sanchez for seven quality starting fielders. Other teams need pitching, I hear
Things would be a lot simpler if the division was a bit stronger or the luck involved in the one-run games went the other way a few more times. As it stands, it’s tempting to try to find duct tape to patch up the damaged ship instead of just pointing it towards the shore and hoping for the best. But finding those small fixes is a tricky business that’s always made trickier by urgency and uncertainty.
It’d be a shame to fall just short of winning a bad division when a few marginal upgrades might have made the difference. It’d be a shame to make a bad situation worse by spending on marginal upgrades only to have them join a team that quickly falls in the standings because its too weak to stand in the long run. As an ignorant and indecisive sort, I’m not sure what to do. And if those in charge don’t prove any more sure of what to do this year, maybe they’ll at least prove a bit luckier.
Hey, welcome back, Seasick. Where you been?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
hiya
Dealing with some bad stuff, dealing with some good stuff, with a cross-country move in between.
I watched the Giants home opener and then didn’t have Internet access or means to watch any games until about a week ago. The team I found was not exactly what I expected.
by Seasick fish on Jun 13, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
welcome back and best wishes
At least you didn’t have to watch this mess unfold step by step, injury by injury.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks
I still haven’t brought myself to watch footage of the Posey injury. Watching it live must have been awful. Just reading the descriptions of it felt awful.
by Seasick fish on Jun 13, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
you're lucky
it was pretty terrible, and CSN showed it literally every time they mentioned Buster daily, until, well, this week I guess.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
This
I didn’t see it live, and resigned myself towards not seeing it, but CSN refused to allow me to get away with this plan.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t find out about it until Kuip talked about it on the radio the following morning, and I nearly drove my car off the road.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Don't watch it.
And that’s not meant to be a “Don’t look!” and then you look. It’s not worth it. I still can’t get his face out of my head.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
It’s the clawing at the dirt that haunts my memories.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
This
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Jun 13, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
That too.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
For the first time, I would not care if they traded Jonathan Sanchez
Which probably means no other team would give up anything the Giants actually want for him.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Probably true
But while the Giants are frustrated with him, he still puts up great numbers and is far better than 75% of the starting pitchers in the big leagues. He may very well be a guy that none of us would give up much for, but the Pittsburgh Pirates, well that’s another story.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez for McCutcheon!
GIT ER DONE SABEZ
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Jun 13, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
It sounds crazy
But the Pirates once traded Jason Schmidt for Ryan Vogelsong.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions
And who’s laughing now!
Answer: Not the Dodgers
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I'm laughing though
Have a rec.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
The Giants should wait for him to start pitching well again
Of course, I don’t think Sabez has ever sold high on a player, outside of Matt Williams?
That is cray-z.
I refuse to accept this reality..
I’m going to just pretend we are playing this way to make it interesting because if we played our real starters we would kill everyone and the season wouldn’t even be interesting.
Leave me to my fantasy.
Speaking of trade targets
The Orioles apparently are working on a contract extension with JJ Hardy.
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by Gobroks on Jun 13, 2011 1:10 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
fuckity, fuck fuck
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Well it's not the Giants fault
I mean, did we really expect them to part with a C+ prospect and and an org guy for JJ Hardy?
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
ESPN’s Molly Knight reports that the Dodgers owe Manny Ramirez $8.33 million by June 30.
Most clubs wouldn’t have a problem meeting that deferred sum, but the Dodgers have been taking out advances to make payroll while the McCourts continue to sort out their divorce agreement. It’s possible that the club struggle to pay Ramirez, who retired from baseball in April after failing a drug test during spring training.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 1:12 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
This made me smile
Have a rec.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re just giving recs out all over the place. They’re not going to seem as special now.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Jun 13, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
LOL bankruptcy claim
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions
awesome
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Flagged
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jun 13, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 7 recs
And to you, sir.
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
right back at you!
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
brian Roberts
No. Just no. That guy is a walking disaster. Last year he spent most of the time on the dl with like 3 ailments at a time. Not normal ones either… like freak injuries and illnesses from the 1800s I’ve only seen in Oregon trail.
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Jun 13, 2011 1:15 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Brian Roberts has died of dysentery
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Just needs to calm down!
/listed as day-to-day
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But he can hunt like no other.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Jun 13, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
More of a gatherer.
High steal skill.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
by Azmanz on Jun 13, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/kills 2300lbs of meat
/can only bring 42lbs back to the wagon
Shake n bake!!!
by TehGreekStallion on Jun 13, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Its easy to see what happened to the buffalo
Carter Jurica!
"The trouble with baseball is that it is not played the year round." - Gaylord Perry
by GrahamCrakalaka on Jun 13, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s why you always play as the doctor.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
by Azmanz on Jun 13, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The 2011 SF Giants
Running at a ‘grueling’ pace since leaving Independence, Missouri
by offthedeepend on Jun 13, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I say we start by petitioning to fold "Minor Lines" into the regular front page posts.
It seems redundant otherwise.
by capn on Jun 13, 2011 1:17 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
What do you mean?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
by Azmanz on Jun 13, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I was making a tongue in cheek (clearly not very funny) reference to the fact that the current MLB roster is now comprised of mainly minor leaguers or their equivalents. So we could just save the time to read one post… dumb attempt at ’chasm. I acutally love Minor Lines though i find is somewhat less interesting since the majority of the interesting players above A-ball are now playing in the majors.
Oh,sorry. I didn’t get it the first time.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
And the majority of our interesting majors players
are now playing in A-ball doing rehab…or at least what it seems like
by offthedeepend on Jun 13, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
On that note.
Our minor leagues consists of a lot of major leaguers too.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
On that note.
Any Giants fans up in Oregon wanting to go to any Keizer-Salem games? I am thinking of driving down from Portland for a few weekend games and it would be nice to get some McCoven together.
Feeling baseball withdrawal since the demise of the Portland Beavers.
You should drive north and come catch them in Everett instead.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
nah
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 1:20 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wouldn’t do that to the folks that comment in Minor Lines. They stay on topic, and I respect that. I don’t want their salient conversations drowning in our rigamarole.
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like to hang out there sometimes as a respite from the other threads.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The weather is nice nd they serve refreshing drinks
The clothing optional pool is rather nice, too
The thong is, it happened.
That is why you always have to wear floaties when wading to the deep end of rigamarole.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rigamarole goes well with sweet and sour sauce.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
August 27, 2009: ARI 11, SF 0
2B Velez
SS Renteria
PH Rohlinger
RF Winn
1B Ishikawa
LF Lewis
3B Uribe
CF Rowand
PH Garko
C Whiteside
P J. Martinez
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Sometimes I can’t believe that team won 88 games.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Jun 13, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
SometimesI can’t believe this team is in first place.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
not sure which is worse. The pitching is probably better now, but that lineup might be better than the current one.
that
was kind of my forlorn conclusion. I was going to post the slash lines for each guy, but it was depressing.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I totally didn’t get it. I thought you were like, “it could be worse! We could be this team!”
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
no
more like “this horrible lineup had better numbers than the current horrible lineup, but it’s too horrible to really go on with my discovery”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
No, Valdez was put in Rowand’s spot when he came in in relief. Winn moved to CF, and Nate pinch hit for Martinez and went to RF. Garko actually pinch hit for Valdez, not Rowand. Then Howry took that spot in the lineup when he came in to finish the game.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
I'm really surprised
I have no recollection of this game, it seems totally horrible.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It does.
I was going to so many Giants games that year that I probably actually attended that game. If that’s the case, I feel sorry for myself. I had a mad crush on Yeah Joey, though.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Man, the market for available catchers is brutal
I’m actually trying to talk myself into Lou Marson. At least he’s throwing out runners.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
by Kitspool on Jun 13, 2011 1:22 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The Indians do have fairly strong depth at catcher. Luke Carlin could probably fill in for Marson without much loss, if any.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Please explain
What is “depth at catcher”?
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
going on a rec a thon
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
My icon is depressing...
To change or not to change?
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I can’t tell precisely who that is; Timmy?
What SciFi novels do you like?
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
Timmy’s passionate and joyous embrace of Buster right after they both realized they had won the World Series.
Pease was never an option.
It's awesome.
I found a picture that was from either right before or right after that that’s pretty cool, too.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
by kdl on Jun 13, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
by Ceora on Jun 13, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Remember when Timmy was gaunt and Buster could walk? Those were good times.
Pease was never an option.
/sniff
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
My allergies are suddenly acting up.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Also, is that Runzler hugging Renteria behind them?
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
I have no idea who he is hugging.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Doesn’t really look like a player
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
See below, so yes.
Hmm…bookshelf is full of Ender, Hitchhiker’s, and Asimov. Oh, and Wrinkle in Time. Dang, it’s been a long time since I’ve read that.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
With Card, Asimov, and L’Engle you certainly have good taste, and some variety to boot. Have you read Old Man’s War (and the 3 following books) by John Scalzi? I highly recommend them.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
I haven't but...
…now that it’s summer I’m back to reading 39846 books a week and I’ve just about burned through my current stash.
/goes to check library site
Woo! Copy available. I might go pick that up in a few. Thanks for the rec. Can never have too long of a to-read list.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
If you want to lengthen it . . .
. . . you could look here. A lot of fantasy as well, but plenty enough sf, most of which is older and hence forgotten. Ever even heard of Doris Piserchia? And if you haven’t read all of Cordwainer Smith and lots of Jack Vance, you have an inestimable treat coming.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I probably read more fantasy than scifi, so any list with both is welcome.
…
Woah. This is quite the website. I only skimmed through the first few pages for now, obviously, as I can only read so fast. But I was sold when I clicked on “Specilaity Lists” and saw Borges.
Bookmarked with thanks.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I always like to recommend “A Canticle for Lebowitz” to people. It’s…… different. Just for the love of mud don’t read the “sequel”.
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I had an English teacher in high school who raved about this book (hated the sequel too). I haven’t read it myself though.
/moves it up on mental list
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Have you read any of Catherine Asaro’s Skolian Empire novels? That might also be to your liking.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
I’ve read a few, but I’m no where close to done with the series. I do like them though.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
My mom told my brother to read some books over the summer, so I gave him A Wrinkle in Time. It’s reminding me how long it’s been since I last read that. Farmer Giles of Ham is next.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Semi-related, have you read Tolkien’s Sigurd and Gudrun? I meant to a couple years ago when I saw The Ring but for some reason I still haven’t.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Or "The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Son"?
It is (quoting Wikipedia here) a work of historical fiction, inspired by the Old English poem The Battle of Maldon. It is written in the form of an alliterative poem, but is also a play, being mainly a dialogue between two characters in the aftermath of the Battle of Maldon.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Her equivalent of your flower avatar.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
I forgot all about those things. I just have them turned off….
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't know
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Me neither
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm kind of new here
So I don’t feel I should be the one to answer this.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Jun 13, 2011 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
OT
I know this probably got covered last night in the PGT, but I missed that and I really need to get something off my chest.
HOLY SHIT GAME OF THRONES!!
That is all.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Jun 13, 2011 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Page turner.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t imagine it would. That was quite the gut-check.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Jun 13, 2011 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Two things I disliked that bring me back to a general HBO thing
They’re a very make-love-not-war kind of thing. I mean, aside from World War II and Iraq, which I guess is different because those were miniseries and not ongoing series. But a big battle occurred offscreen here and I keep thinking back to “Rome” and the nonexistent battles that all occur offscreen and talked about. Oh, Pompey Magnus is defeated. Oh, Arsinoe and Ptolemy are defeated. Oh, Brutus and Cassius are defeated. Oh, hey, Cleopatra totally ditched Antony at Actium. Let’s have more boobs and the occasional peen! See how mature we are!
Now, Whispering Wood actually was offscreen even in the book (although enough fluffy dogs who can’t be trained and put in CGI direwolves that look fierce.) But Tyrion had a lot more to do in the battle at the Green Fork (?) than just get hit in the head and wake up after the fact. There is a major battle in Book 2 that Season 2 better do full justice to and not pull an Actium. I’d rather see the battle than sleepovers with Shae.
/rant
Pease was never an option.
Did you just rail against the overuse of peen?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Coming soon: The Abe Lincoln Story!
“Four score and seven years ago I SHOWS YOU ALL MY PEEN!”
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Don’t be surprised. Especially when there’s some harlots thrown in so the “mature” audience can act “mature”.
Pease was never an option.
There’s nothing wrong with the series. I’m just calling bullshit on the equation of naked women for men to ogle = mature behavior.
Pease was never an option.
That was the joke. The naked Abe Lincoln series would win an Emmy for Abe Lincoln being naked.
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Headline: Lincoln's Log Logs Emmy!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Polite Applause.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
That’s a very American attitude!
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Good. I chose this country after all, not a born-American like the rest of you.
Pease was never an option.
How expensive is it to rent the MASSIVE program used for LOTR? How can they stage something like the airfield sequence at Peleliu with real actors and (mostly) real explosions and not be able to outfit a couple of hundred extras, multiply them digitally, and have them run around for three or four minutes???
Pease was never an option.
TL2 could use his skillz to depict some epic battles.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
COMING THIS FALL
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
YYYYYYYESSSS
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Christ, that only took you 6 minutes?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I just noticed that your soldier is about to look like DeRosa in the “Cheaper by the Dozen” poster elsewhere in this post.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Man, CGI has come a long way. It's hard to tell what is animated and what isn't.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I thought that CGI stuff was incredibly expensive, but I also think there’s gotta be some ways to cut corners without making it look like Flash Gordon.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
The Pacific rules.
According to Eric Holder, Giants Baseball is NOT torture. OK, it is, but followed by a big bowl of ice cream.
Tim Lincecum: He's a biracial angel.
I can’t believe I missed this show. I’ll have to go back and watch it
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year. .529 OPS this year. Ouch.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on Jun 13, 2011 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep. And when adapting for the screen, the time spent on the battle is not spent on other things.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I was about to ask
what they were leaving out of the book, and this was a good answer. Thank you, my telepathic friend.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. I dunno what they’re going to do with Season 4, if they make it that far.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
There's talk of book 3 being 2 seasons
and books 4&5 being folded together for 2 seasons total (instead of book five starting after book 4). They would have to do 4&5 this way or certain main characters would be missing for an entire season.
Book 3 being 2 seasons? I wonder if that’s to give GRRM more lead time to finish off 6 & 7. But yeah, if they were to cover Book 4 verbatim, it would suck. A lot.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
6 and 7?
Shirley? Are you jesting?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes. The big three (for me at least, and probably most others) are missing. Which is pretty lame.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I got an advance of volume five and started reading it … the first 100 pages are all Tyrion/Daenerys/Jon Snow.
/sputters
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw a little of Game of Thornes last night
Looked interesting but I couldn’t get into it. I guess it’s because I have to watch from the beginning and I don’t get HBO (had a free preview of all the movie channels over the weekend).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I miss opening day when we all thought that the Giants were going to have an above average lineup.
Adopted Giant - Carlos "Don't Call Me Wallaby" Willoughby
errors cost us 2 of the first 4 games.
glad that trend is fading
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
and the double-play ball hasn’t struck in a long time, either!
no game today means no jinx!!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Tejada should run classes on how to avoid injury and staying in the lineup with the lowest OPS in the league
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Stand pat, but use the roster to fullest cpacity when building lineups
(Not the batting order)
Against RHP:
LF- Belt
CF – Torres
RF – Nate
2B – Hall
SS – Crawford
3B – Panda
1B – Huff
Against LHP:
LF- Burrell
CF – Rowand
RF – Ross
2B – Fontenot
SS – Tejada
3B – Panda
1B – Huff
Give Huff an occasional day off against lefties, but that’s what I’d do to try to squeeze as much offense as possible out of this team
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on Jun 13, 2011 1:44 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Goddammit, there has to be a way to not bench Torres versus anyone.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
by rotorueter on Jun 13, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And I don’t want to platoon Belt
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I think I screwed up
With the OFs I mentioned: Ross, Rowand, Torres, Burrell, Rowand, Nate
For Belt to be on the roster, someone else would have to go
The thong is, it happened.
Haven’t read below, but I think you’ve got the 2Bmen switched. Fonty vs. righties, Hall vs. lefties, no?
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
That depends on Crawford.
If he sinks below the Mendoza Line—or even threatens it—I daresay he’s back to Fresno, and Fontenot is the everyday SS with Hall the everyday 2B.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I don't like it either
But Rowand is hitting LHP well.
Even when he doesn’t start, Torres would get a lot of playing time as a PH/PR/Def. Sub
The thong is, it happened.
you don’t have to bench Torres vs LHP, but when he needs a day off, there’s no better day to give him than one vs a LHP.
he still needs to face LHP so he keeps his swing from the right side- use it or lose it!!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Just so.
That’s the problem with all platoon schemes: one of the two (almost invariably the RHB) will not be getting enough play time to perform up to his abilities. You cannot give both parts of a platoon 2/3 play time.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
well… you could stitch guys together so they both play at once, but that’s unorthodox.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
And hard to fit with a uni.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
they could just use Pablo’s unis from 2010
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Size OK, but not enough sleeves and pants.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
the details are not important.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really not concerned about trying to get Rowand lots of PT
He just hits LHP pretty well
The thong is, it happened.
Eh.
His 2011 splits are, I gather, acute, but his career platoon splits are rather ordinary. (A common phenomenon.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Watching him hit, you can see why his split is the way it is. Pitches that break away from him, he has no chance at. Does not pick up the spin at all.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
2008-11 wRC+: 100/85 vs L/R
That’s a pretty big split. PA for facing LHP, 453. This split may be a late-career phenomenon, but it’s real.
Eh.
First, while it’s not exactly “SSS”, it is sort of “MSS”. Second, Tango et al in The Book don’t seem to think that batter platoon splits are terribly important, and I concur. I just don’t want him in a game against any pitcher.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
oh, I hate me some Rownads
..but I think this effect is real. He can’t hit righties any more.
I'm with Goofus on this one.
You make a good point in never benching Andres, but last check against lefties, he was something like 2 for 25 this year.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Jun 13, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
So who went through the thread and started rec'ing every comment?
I stopped reading about 20 comments in because it was too distracting and just Shift-A’d the rest of you but I’m mildly curious
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 1:57 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
At the top – virtually every comment is rec’d
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Someone was bored.
I think it was positiveuphemism:
going on a rec a thon
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions
I got about 1/3 of the way thru and got bored.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I contributed
But I’m trying to be kinder, gentler and more optimistic, doubt it will last though.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Jun 13, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Has anyone been watching The Franchise?
Curious what it’s been like…
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
There has only been one episode — sort of a “pilot.” It was really good. Regular episodes start July 13.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
I saw the pilot,. I didn’t know they were postponing the season until THAT late! Guess I’ll have that question answered in a month.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
It seems like a long turn around from getting footage to putting out episodes.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Producing a good half-hour series takes a lot of time. The pilot was very well put together, and if they’re aiming for that level of quality going forward, the lag time seems reasonable.
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I guess I was just spoiled by how quickly they put together the first episode.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Montag-y...
Is that a Bochy nickname for someone?
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
I’m hoping they have a live webcam of Posey’s living room so we can see what he’s doing.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
"He's just sitting on his couch."
“I thought this was supposed to be on time lapse.”
“It is, sir. That was fifteen hours.”
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I keep avidly rooting for Seattle to start losing
because Miguel Olivo and Adam Kennedy seem to be some of the better positional upgrades
Its funny because f*** the dodgers
I was thinking the same thing. Come on Seattle! Fail!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Is there a way to hedge bets with a Sanchez trade?
Trade Sanchez for a good (not reyes SS) that has some team control left? I mean it would be silly to bring in a huge hired gun (Reyes) for this season. With Zito on the way back and Surkamp almost ready for the show. It seems like even once everyone is back next year the huge hole is still SS. Can we try and fill it this year and see what all the young players have to offer(including Surkamp)? Basically fill our need and roll the dice with what we have this year?
Any team that has a good SS with team control probably wants to keep him. They certainly wouldn’t trade him for J. Sanchez.
The announcement of the NBA final final score got a huge cheer at the Giants game last night.
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The famed S.F.-Dallas partnership!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 13, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
I saw that. Very, very hard to believe. I’m thinking it has to be the Jason Kidd connection!!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, “The Announcement” has made Miami the team people love to hate
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
And people hate LeBron more after this quote
"All the people that were rooting me on to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life they had before. They have the same personal problems they had today. I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want with me and my family and be happy with that."
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He’s taking people’s distaste for him too seriously
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 14, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, maybe not
Knowing people, he’s probably gotten death threats and what not
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 14, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Not in the USA, at least
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 14, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Buster Olney
floating the Mark Ellis idea got me excited, but then I saw that Mark Ellis is 34 years old and appears to be finished as a major league baseball player, which made me sad and terrified because he would be a perfect fit for this team.
think he’s on the DL too
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
indeedy it is
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I know this is huge but maybe someone likes it enough to smallerfy it.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:29 PM PDT reply actions
Where do you do this? You cant in the SBN UI, correct? (it just asks for a URL)
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
If you use the SBN shortcut, it spits out something like this.:
[img src=“http://www.imagesite.com/image.png”]
You can add height or width before posting to manually set the size.
[img height=“200” src=“http://www.imagesite.com/image.png”]
That’s helpful!
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Like this?
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
I liked it enough to click the SL.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
We should trade for Darwin Barney, if only so we can make fun of his name all day.
Should only cost the Giants Matt Cain. Who needs a 3rd best starter, anyways? WE COULD HAVE A BARNEY!!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
Rosterbation that includes the trade of Matt Cain should be an auto-ban.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
it was a joke. If they traded Cain, I’d up and ditch the Giants for good.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Usually I'm up for joking about even the most taboo of subjects but this was too far.
/banned
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’d trade Posey and Timmeh for Alex Rodriguez and his contract!!
/bans self
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Darwin Barney is putting up one of the emptiest batting averages in the league this year.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
unf unf unf
Right?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
.66 ISO would be pretty incredible
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Tejada has a higher ISO than Barney!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Too bad Tejada’s BA is so much worse that Barney is probably still better.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Wow. This is like the ultimate in GiantPain semantics. Barney ISO: .066. Tejada: .070. Darwin BB%: 3.1. Tejada: 4.1.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
What does that point have to do with a .660 ISO?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Oh I see what I did there
Whoops.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
OT: Looked at Fangraphs today
madbum could over take Timmy in WAR with his next start.. Crazy how well he has pitched this yea.
Once he learns how to win, he’s gonna be great!
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Crazy how bad he is
Despite being good. One day I have hope for the youngin’ though.
That is cray-z.
I have an idea
We should all run around, waving our hands in the air, screaming and crying and eating cheetos.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:43 PM PDT reply actions
quack!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 13, 2011 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions
One out of five is OK.
Also, it’s hard to eat Cheetos while running, waving hands, screaming, and crying (or even doing any one of those things).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
ROHLINGER FOR HINSHAW
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:44 PM PDT reply actions
There is . . .
. . . a FanPost on best possible lineup for now. In it I posted a detailed analysis that I won’t copy here; but the essence is that if we asume both Fontenot and Belt back (and I’ll return to that point in a moment), we get:
Torres, CF
Huff, 1B (or substitute Belt, RF)
Burrell, LF
Sandoval, 3B
Belt, RF (or substitute Huff, 1B)
Fontenot, SS
Hall, 2B (or alternate with Fontenot to break up handedness)
pitcher, P
catcher, C (take your preferred shot between Whiteside and Stewart)
Murderer’s Row? No. Adequate to support an excellent pitching staff? Fuck, yes. Sure, some guys—many guys—are currently well below their established capabilities; so? If they stay that way, the team will have serious problems, but that’s true no matter what; and there is no special reason to assume that they will. As in bridge, you play the hand on the assumption that the cards lie in the way that allows making the contract.
If everyone there simply played to career levels (even just from here on out, forget the season totals), the only serious hole is catcher. Is it worth making a trade right now? I cannot see it. There is a first-rank young catcher returning next year, and (now) a fair chance that they will finally wise up and re-establish Sandoval as the #2 catcher, good for a couple of days a week (maybe even by later this season). If you don’t trade big pieces, you don’t get big pieces back; the Giants have no pieces big enough to get back a good catcher that are pieces they can really spare without just opening a different hole somewhere else.
And as to Fontenot and Belt: how foolish would it be to make a major trade to cover two or three weeks? And what earthly good would a not-major trade do?
With a superb staff and a decent or better 1-7 lineup, the Giants can afford to carry a weak #9 (or, for this org, realistically #8). Open up your copy of The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy:
Don’t panic!
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
by owlcroft on Jun 13, 2011 2:47 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
owlcroft,
you are a really hoopy frood
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Your mom's a girl
by DrStankus on Jun 13, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
rec’d for perfection
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm hoping that's not A Bad Thing.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
You quoted HHGG…
I r confuzzled
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by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Nietzsche:
The advantage of a bad memory is that one enjoys several times the same good things for the first time.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
There's no guarantee that Buster
a) comes back next year at all
b) plays the whole season
c) plays whole or part of the season as a catcher
I’ve heard nothing that indicates that this injury will last longer than the offseason.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
I am holding out hope for a late september return!
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
yikes. that’s a touch optimistic, isn’t it?
by NeifiPerezz on Jun 13, 2011 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Posey said on Friday that he expects to miss the remainder of the season but the specific time frame for his recover is still a bit up in the air. The Giants expect to know more now that Posey’s gone under the knife and can start rehabilitating the ankle.
It’s since been confirmed that he’s done.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
But only by doctors, and Buster, the team, and its trainer. Maybe he can rub dirt on it next week after it calms down.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
There's no guarantee . . .
. . . that the sun doesn’t go nova this afternoon. One operates on reasonable probabilities.
(And, just for funsies, assume Posey can never catch again: Sandoval resumes his original career path, the Giants have a super-hitting defensively sound catcher, and need a third baseman, a position much easier to fill. There is time to deal with major improbabilities when they crop up.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I can't imagine Pablo catching again,
but who am I?
And I just bring up the worst case scenario(s) with Posey because, like Freddy Sanchez, there’s still a large degree of uncertainty.
nor
that Belt, Fontenot, or (to be totally pessimistic) Sandoval do.
There’s no baseball timeline for either of the first two right now.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
So help me understand here:
We’re proposing trades of a fairly major nature because we are unsure to within a week or two when two players are coming back? Why don’t we trade for a star center fielder on the assumption that Andres Torres will get hit by a bus tomorrow?
There is nothing whatever that anyone can be 100% sure of, including that he or she will be alive five minutes from now. We do not run our lives on the basis that the most wildly unlikely things will happen unless we are nuclear-power-plant inspectors (and, apparently, not even then).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
We can be sure, I think, that the broadcasters have access to better information about injuries and prognosis than any posters on this board.
And that players unavailable for another month may, or may not, be back before the trading deadline, in which case not trading for anyone will be a nice fait accompli.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think we can.
Unless they sit down for an extended discussion with the trainer or the team doctor, I reckon they know no more than any seriously interested man in the street. And I doubt that they have had such sit-downs. That is no knock on them: it takes some technical background to make sense of detailed medical information, and even the attending physicians may not know everything to a nicety. Patients are forever surprising their physicians with faster (or slower) than expected recoveries.
What we go by is the general sense of what the injury is and how they are coming. Belt had a hairline fracture, which is fairly minor and routine in nature; it is not unusual for an athlete to resume play before the bone healing is 100% complete, and he has been out for something close to two weeks already so far. Fontenot was feeling, and medically deemed, well enough to begin rehabbing; he felt “tightness”, which is not a catastrophic recurrence, and as a precaution (which is well advised) is resting a bit more before trying again. But unless there are some real surprises, he, too is not terribly far off.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Back to your post above, I completely agree that we shouldn’t make major trades right away, since that involves trading away major talent. I do think, however, that this is the year that we should trade JSanchez – and that has nothing to do with Posey’s injury, Zito’s, or Freddy’s. I just don’t think he’s a good long-term gamble, and he’s the guy who might fetch us something in return. Just what I want in return, I’ll tell you as we get closer to the trading deadline.
Maybe we just need execute a squeeze. Or play No Trump.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
The problems with trading JSanchez . . .
. . . mostly boil down to “Who takes his place?” Do you prefer Zito to JSanchez? Do you think Surkamp is ready right now to step up into this rotation? Do we even know we can really count on Vogelsong? It is, in short, far too risky.
Now a trade over the winter, when we know better who Vogelsong is and where Surkamp (and perhaps some others) stand, that would likely make some sense.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Well, admittedly Zito is NOT an upgrade over JSanchez. I just think it’s time to trade Sanchez, period. For the rest of this year, I’d first try Zito there. If that didn’t work I’d try Surkamp, or one of the great unwashed in Fresno.
So no, I’m not trading Sanchez to “fix” a current problem. I just think it needs to be done. If doing so can fix a problem, so much the better. I’m not even sure which problem is the most pressing right now, much less next month.
And yes, I think Vogelsong is sustainable – for this year, anyway.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
Wait, so which is it?
Why would you trade Sanchez if it’s not going to fix a current spot in the lineup? I agree that Sanchez is the least likely of the starting pitching to be with the team beyond this season, but that doesn’t mean trading him away for pennies on the dollar just because it’s a likely future possibility. I wouldn’t trade Sanchez unless it was an absolute no-brainer in the Giants favor, but if you’re going to entertain the idea at all you have to realize that Sanchez still provides a lot of value; value you can’t just give away unless you’re receiving equal or greater value in return at one of the need positions in the lineup.
It’s putting the dog down in the prime of its life just because you’ll have to do it anyway.
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 10:10 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t propose we “just give away” Sanchez. But I don’t see him as being worth the salary he will undoubtedly ask for when he has that opportunity. Branch Rickey is famously quoted as saying that it’s better to trade a guy 2 years too early than 1 year too late. That’s even more true in the modern era of free agency.
His salary clock is ticking. He’ll be more attractive to a potential buyer (and therefore net us somebody better in return) now than this winter or this time next year.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
If Belt really is going to turn out to be as great as he’s predicted to be, is it really such a wise decision to rush him back and have him get worse? I’d rather let him heal completely and not take any chances.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
In principle you are correct.
But—so far as my inexpert understanding goes—there is no nontrivial risk in having him return fairly soon.
Most articles on hairline fractures deal with major weight-bearing bones, because that’s where such things normally occur; that is not what Belt has. There is this:
The team’s training staff told Belt it will take about a month for his wrist to completely heal, but the break isn’t bad enough to require Belt to sit out the full recovery period.If that is anything like accurate, he’s not that far away now.
“I don’t plan on being out that long. I’ll be able to be back in there as soon as I can get a bat in my hand and swing it full speed,” he said. “I don’t expect it to take a month. Hopefully a week or two at most.”
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Har har.
/slaps knee
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Building a pyramid of comedy.
/makes pyramid-shaping hand gestures
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
You spelled panik wrong.
Otherwise, I agree.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Belt is going to be out more than two or three more weeks from what I’ve heard. Six weeks was what K & K said during the game the other day.
a month just for the bone to heal
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Neither K nor K is a physician.
Belt has said that he needn’t wait for the fracture to completely heal to play, and I believe that that is not wild nonsense. Plus he has already been gone a while. Barring some surprise setback, he looks like returning in two or at worst three weeks.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Keep your best players on the bench.
It’s The Giants Way©.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Gotta save them for that PH home run!
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Because he's not as good as Belt
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I think Nate, at this point, should be playing over Pat.
I mean, I think. I dunno now. I used to say WTF Why Nate?? But now, I’m at ease with it. Curious to see who Belt pushes off the starting lineup.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I had a kneejerk reply to Grant’s post about Nate. Something along the lines of, “Nate can’t be solidly below average!” There are probably two reasons for that: 1) I’ve always been a fan of Nate because of his hustle and defense; and, as relevant here, 2) his 2011 highlight reel is covering below average hitting the rest of the time.
Also, maybe Nate starts against LHP’s? Also, I’m assuming that he would just go back to a late inning defensive replacement were this lineup in place.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
I think Nate’s split has reversed back to normal- he doesn’t have that reverse split anymore (at least this season, in much more expanded PT than he’s ever gotten).
But yeah, Nate’s biggest drawback is that he doesn’t take walks. Anyone hitting .260 right now is great for the Giants, but when Belt returns, Nate probably becomes what he was before. I would still expect him to get 2-3 starts a week while other OFs rest.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, I meant RHP’s. I agree that that reverse split isn’t there anymore. That was probably flukey.
I was pleasantly surprised that he took a 5 pitch walk yesterday without a swing. But, that’s the ultimate definition of SSS.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
yeah, it really is. I just wish he had even a league-average walk rate and could hit just a little better :(
He’d be such a solid ML player.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
If wishes were fishes . . .
. . . no one would ever go hungry. Aka “If wishes were horses, then beggars could ride.”
While I have always felt that strike-zone judgement could, in principle, be taught and acquired even well into a career, it would take the kind of super-intense personal training that few teams (or players) could or would undertake. So Schierholtz’s sorry walks rate is just a given with him.
That said, and granting that he has pretty good power, his overall offensive worth depends heavily on his batting average. He has to be hitting well, at least .280, maybe more, to be a decent offensive value. I am highly ambivalent over whether or not he could produce at that average rate over time with steady play: on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, I think so; on Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays, I don’t; and I take Mondays off worrying about it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I, too, have never believed that patience could be taught.
And yeah, his OBP is very average-dependent, which is an issue (like you said, he has to hit even more to have the same value as a similar player with a average walk rate).
His defense is really good, though I find myself wondering just how good it is in terms of runs saved per 162 game average (his metrics are all screwy this year)
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions
As is well known hereabouts . . .
. . . I don’t put much stock in defense metrics. I don’t disdain the importance of defense, I just doubt our present ability to measure it in any meaningful way beyond the broadest brush—certainly not enough to use its numbers on some par with offensive-value numbers for “total-worth” reckonings.
But I do believe plate patience can be taught—only it’s such a long, tedious process that few would even undertake it to a meaningful extent. It would require lots of time every day for a long time. (I believe it has been accomplished once or twice—basically hour after hour in the cage watching pitches and estimating them, with a coach cross-checking and advising; you can imagine the effort, taking up a thrower, a catcher, and a batting coach, besides the player himself.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
That was the whole point behind that ‘ocular enhancer’ machine (that throws colored, numbered balls at 150mph)… supposedly Carlos Beltran has it in his contract that the team has to have one available. Wonder if that works.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
reinforcement learning is very effective. a pitcher and a guy with a taser could probably work wonders in one weekend
by justhangin on Jun 13, 2011 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
If wishes were horses, we’d all be eating steak!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
or as we say around here...
If wishes were Porsches the homeless would drive.
McC: Don't get it? Try the McWiki wiki.
I don’t think Bochy will sit Nate for Belt, if Nate continues doing decent. More likely, Huff will sit more often.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
It’s possible. Bochy is probably as fooled by Nate being Clutchy McClutcherson lately as I am. Play the hot hand! Or whatever.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Nate should only play after the 7th inning! Ultimate SSS
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Didn’t he do something good in the 4th inning yesterday? (I was playing in a softball game at the time so I missed it.) So, now he’s good earlier, right!?
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Love it...
Nate Schierholtz. Now Good Earlier
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
by nvsfg on Jun 13, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/makes t-shirt
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
"That t-shirt is sad." - TWSS
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 13, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions
actually, I think he got a hit in the 4th last night, yes.
so he should only come into the game after the 3rd from now on.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Lookout Landing wants to help
LookoutLanding Jeff Sullivan
Dear Giants: have Jack Wilson. Just, have him. We can even buy him your jersey.
No one here gets out alive.
by Bond16 on Jun 13, 2011 2:48 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
ooooo.
I like the thought of that, TBH. His range as a SS isn’t good, but he might be a good 2B
/hasn’t looked up stats yet
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
If he's still capable of typing after such an experience.
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When I opened his BBRef page, I saw .308/.369/.677 and was like holy fuck maybe the McCoven were messing with me.
then I realized I was looking at it a line off, and it was a nifty .528 OPS this season.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
It's going to be Wilson Betemit.
@Buster_ESPN Evaluators say that the Royals’ Wilson Betemit drawing LOTS of scouts,as teams prep for trade stuff. .289 BA,.348 OBP; making only $1 m.
wow, he’s only 29? I thought he was way older
Adopted Giant - Carlos "Don't Call Me Wallaby" Willoughby
Can't believe he's only 29
Dude’s been around forever…guess that happens when you make the big leagues at 19
The thong is, it happened.
I fear a repeat of the Ricky Ledee Experience.
I preferred Band of Gypsies.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 13, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah really
Betemit can actually hit, but where does he play when Panda is back? He’s pretty much all 3B now.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
And first and outfield.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if they were looking at him to see if he could at least do a Renteria impression at shortstop.
Hmmm. I’m not sure whether I would rather see that or see Mike Aviles instead.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
This would be cool with me.
Though he’s a defensive liability.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Shift + A
And we’re still in first place! Fuck you comon sense.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Fuck you comon sense.
/Weiner’d
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 13, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not all that bad
We ARE still in first place afterall. You can’t have great pitching AND great hitting, there just isn’t enough cash to go around. Right now the Giants pitching staff is the best in baseball, while their line up is the worst in baseball, except may be the Twins without Mauer and Morneau. I think we can still make the playoffs with the starting pitching, and if a player gets hot on offense at the right time, anything can happen. Granted, if a decent trade comes along, you gotta do it. Right now we have 6 starters and we could probably afford to jettison someone (with Sanchez being the most likely candidate). We probably could get Aaron Hill for him.
No, not quite.
But that’s without considering park effects.
In the NL, the Padres are superficially a hair better, 3.34 R/G vs 3.48 for SF; but SF is a basically run-neutral park, while the kennel is notoriously pitcher-friendly.
In the AL, with a roughly 10% adjustment up of SF’s R/G to allow for the DH, there are maybe four better staffs: A’s, Mariners, Angels, Twins; but that also is on raw, not adjusted, data (I don’t know those parks well, but Oakland is certainly pitcher-friendly).
So let’s just say “one of the very best”.
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I prefer the best…it just sounds better..and more truthy.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect the drop off from Dirty > Zito would cost us a playoff spot. Look at it like this: Dirty will lose half his games, Zito will lose all his games.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Very scientific.
Put on a white lab coat and present it on TV.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I could put on a Giants 75 jersey and pitch in place of Zito. Sure I wouldn’t get anyone out, but my defense would. I’m a little shorter than Zito and right handed but if I strap a guitar to my back and look sullen no one will know the difference.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions
6 REASONS NOT TO MAKE ANY FRIGGIN TRADE, PERIOD
1- tim lincecum
2- matt cain
3- dirty sanchez
4- madbum
5- vogelstrong
6- weezee
Trade Sabean/jk...Overthrow the Ydorks...
by Regulus on Jun 13, 2011 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
waited a lifetime for a staff like this
better then zito hudson mulder
much much better
Trade Sabean/jk...Overthrow the Ydorks...
Only 2 self-responses?
We can’t afford to keep all these guys forever. This year is the logical year to trade Sanchez.
What can (Gary) Brown do for you?
or at least
until safely out of contention. Then there won’t be any need to “rush” to trade anyone!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
6 REASONS NOT TO MAKE ANY FRIGGIN TRADE, PERIOD
trade who you want
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
one could argue (but not I) that those are 6 great reasons to make a trade. Because look at the pitching you’re wasting if you don’t have the lineup to back them up.
I’d rather keep our chips and play for next year. This organization has so many good things going for it. Anyone think Seattle is looking to unload Figgins?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
7 – Romo
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I have a really bad feeling that Romo is going to get traded.
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Ugh.
I don’t even want to think about this.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
For John Bowker
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And Tim Alderson.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
That would be so terrible. He’s the closer of the future!!
I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really don’t want to see him go anywhere. This team needs him so badly. Who else would be our setup man? Afflak? Ramirez?
Gotta keep Romo
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions
too bad for Wilson and his stupid extremely marketable beard, which they WILL re-sign for 10MM a year.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Romo was part of the Fear the Beard thing in the first place?
Then Wilson took it all for himself.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Wilson would get a lot more than he’s worth. I’d be happy to trade him.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I am reluctantly in this line. I love they guy, but if we need a significant trade chip he’s the first one on my list. :\
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Assuming . . .
. . . they can’t find anyone gullible enough to take one or more of Casilla or Affeldt or Mota instead. (I kinda like Mota, but he’s older and not irreplaceable—cue Kroon).
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Well, yes. I’d much sooner give up anyone in the bullpen not named Romo than Wilson.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
I would imagine that what they could get for Wilson would be somewhat more than what they could get for a couple of middle relievers.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Please!
Not “middle relievers”—ace “set-up men”. Don’t sell the steak, sell the sizzle.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I, too, would be interested in that.
I don’t track such things, and have a terrible memory anyway.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
AJ for Nathan.
HAW HAW HAW HAW HAW
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions
While the injuries do suck, in an odd way there are some positives here
Beginning-of-year expectations for the Giants were to make a deep playoff run. Now, with the vast amount of injuries to 75% of our Opening Day lineup, winning the division (or possibly even having below a .500 record) wasn’t out of the question- it could have happened, the Giants could have disintegrated and fallen flat on their faces. It could (and to some degree should) be much worse.
But now we’re seeing that these Giants are very, very resilient. A battle-tested and hardened club that seems to be able to handle anything thrown their way. I would bet that every one of those guys in the clubhouse knows exactly what they’ve lost, and instead of getting down, it’s just making them work harder towards accomplishing something this season.
Even if that “something” is winning the West and a 1st round playoff exit, I’d be thrilled. We’ve seem this team teeter on the brink of disaster only to succeed more times than I can count, so why should this be any different? I, for one, am not counting them out by a mile.
This season is just getting started.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
OT: We've passed the $225 mark for the brick
Should we keep going to see if we can make it to Willie Mays status? Let me know in the Fanpost.
I got my own brick a couple days ago!
Haven’t decided what to put on it yet though..
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm really ok if we just win the division this year and come back next year and win another World Series
after all, I don’t want to be seen as greedy
The thong is, it happened.
Sucks they closed the resorts in like late April.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
No one would come
Even late April the only people at the resorts are season pass holders. Resorts don’t make money off those folks.
The thong is, it happened.
Good, I still haven’t gotten to go to the snow. Our Lassen trip fell through so now it’s just a drive up 50 or 80 sometime this weekend and stop wherever we find enough snow to play in.
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Hurry up and melt, I want to go backpacking and not have everything be wet or feel like I’m going to die crossing a swollen river.
/shakes fist
Adopted Giant - Carlos Willoughby
in this line!
this stupid weather is already stupiding things up. We waited to finally get a few nice spring days, the rain finally went away last week…and it is supposed to be 99 tomorrow.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
These high temps aren’t good, they are worried about rapid snow melt and runoff.
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how much is still on the ground? Is it even down at the lake’s elevation?
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Your mom's a girl
I’m kinda thinking maybe we’ll go to Grover Hot Springs this weekend, but it’s such a long drive. Maybe BigTrees still has snow.
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isn’t big trees a longer drive for you? I guess I usually go 50→88→89 to get to that area, and I’ve always gone the other side for Big Trees.
I was thinking of squeezing in something this weekend myself, cause otherwise I’m stuck until after July 4th with nothing, I think
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Your mom's a girl
forgot to add
YMMV
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Your mom's a girl
To get to Big Trees we usually take 49 to something …. 20? 120? I don’t remember. We haven’t been to the Snowshoe Inn in a long time so I was kinda hoping to fit that in too. Not really much hiking at Big Trees though. Even as fat and out of shape as we are right now we can still do at least 5 miles.
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Highway 4.
A little further up the road and there’s more hiking, IIRC. Lake Alpine area is ~ 30 minutes further up the road, I think? Still well before it turns into a 1.5 lane road.
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Your mom's a girl
In the other direction we like driving through Sierraville and I would guess the snow is still around at places like Sardine Lake.
We haven’t really talked about what we are going to do yet. I want to go to the snow, I don’t want to drive all day, and I’d like to get a hike in as well.
It’s just tough to know where there might be snow. I’m bummed the Lassen thing didn’t work out, but oh well.
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Yup, this. Parents and I are trying to get down to the Sierras again this year. Finally.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
It was the cool spring
And then it went from 50 degrees to 75 overnight. Alpine Meadows is going to have 4th of July skiing this year.
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 4:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
what if….
Vogelsong keeps pitching out of his mind for the rest of the year, and his periphials (sp?) stay within line of his ERA? What if he essentially Cliff Lee’d himself?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
IT WOULD BE AWESOME!
Don’t tell me you that thought hasn’t crossed your mind.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
They better be throwing in something more if they want Vogelsong!
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Man. Vernon Wells. Wow bad.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
All I read was this
Well, except for Matt Downs. He’d be a pretty sweet upgrade. I’ll just let that sink in for a bit.
And now I’m sad. My former son would look pretty good at 2B right about now.
The irony is that because the Astro’s had Matt Downs, the could release Bill Hall. Where did he end up ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
The Brandon Crawford experiment brought back memories of Matt Downs for me. I’m not comparing them, specifically, but when Matt was somewhat unexpectedly called up, he was hitting doubles and playing defense and it was fun to watch.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Matt Cain’s an Alabama-born Tennessean. Isn’t that enough for you?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Lyle says we can’t have him because he grew up outside Memphis.
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
He only did high school in TN
We used to have another UA player on the team back a few years. He was a no-hitting outfielder that tore his knee up on the bullpen mound at AT&T and was never heard from again.
I didn't know Bochy managed UC Irvine on off-days
Get that pitcher out of there!
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 4:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Walk-off, UVA
Note: When your pitcher gives up four straight hits in the bottom of the ninth, it is time to remove said pitcher.
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 4:03 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
this is where he gets his ideas for the Giants. the college kids are his guinea pigs
“well, we had the right guy out there…”
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, it was very Bochy-esque
Bottom 9, 2 outs. The first batter hits a well-struck groundball up the middle. The second batter hits another well-struck ball up the middle but it hits the pitcher in the lower leg or foot. The third batter takes a walk on four or five pitches. The fourth batter hits a pissrod and the tying and winning runs score.
I have no association with UC Irvine, but my heart ached for them as I watched them get Bochy’d. But their pitcher kind of pissed me off because he had a stupid kink in his delivery, so I’m glad it happened to him if it had to be anyone.
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 4:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
eh, well, I’m sure any manager would want to go down with their closer.
If it wasn’t Irvine’s closer that blew it, then that’s a different story.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade Timmy for the Astros
He is clearly deteriorating and has no more upside.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Is Aubrey Huff playing well? I saw he wasn’t on the lineup there in the Post. I’m a Braves fan, and was wandering, is he available?
"Why do you continue to waste my time?" "I was wondering, if you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make it our time?"
Ah. I shall now return to my throne of Michael Cuddyer pictures.
"Why do you continue to waste my time?" "I was wondering, if you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make it our time?"
GET OUTTA HERE DIRTY BRAVES FAN!!
Actually, could we bum Ross from you guys, and you can have our Ross?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, with our starting outfield all on the DL, we might use him.
"Why do you continue to waste my time?" "I was wondering, if you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make it our time?"
What’s the deal with Heyward?
who’s the rest of your OF and what happened to them? Prado and McClouth?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, if you want our Ross, you should be prepared for this.
"Why do you continue to waste my time?" "I was wondering, if you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make it our time?"
He and Eugenio Velez could probably salsa the night away…
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think Freeman is gonna be crazy good like everyone thought.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
No way. You know you’ve got something if your first baseman is in the top 5 for 1st base in the N-freakin’-L. Albert, Joey, Ryan, and Prince. That is all.
"Why do you continue to waste my time?" "I was wondering, if you're here, and I'm here, doesn't that make it our time?"
Top 5 what?
Guys for sure better than Freeman: Votto, Gaby Sanchez, Pooholes, Howard, Prince, Helton.
Hell even Brad Hawpe, Carlos Pena, Brett Wallace and Daniel Murphy have higher WAR.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
I think he missed our sarcasm
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
He certainly did. Still, I lack the power to make such a trade.
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 7:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Not playing well except for a couple good games
Our top beat writer reported yesterday that he’s pretty banged up, which was news to me.
I wonder if it’s from those hard falls out in RF from earlier in the year. Might have jarred a shoulder or knee or something.
The thong is, it happened.
It's from sheer playing.
He has had, what, one day off since the Roman Empire fell? Or some time back not far from that.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Huff has played every game since I can remember… We don’t have any backup 1B right now.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Belt played that one game!
The backup first basemen were Burriss and Stewart. It’ll be good to have Pablo back.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
and that one game Belt played, he got his wrist broken.
crap.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 5:06 PM PDT up reply actions
makes sense
he was playing like he was injured!
Just noticed there’s a rain delay going on in AZ @ FLO. Hopefully there are 7 rain delays, and the game ends at 2 AM.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
meteor
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Jonathan, is that you?
Marlins have plenty of firepower. They’ll make it a game. I’m confident about the series vs Arizona- we’ve beaten them steadily for a while now, and the pressure is on them to prove that they can beat us, not vice versa.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s A Long Way To The Top If You Wanna Rock ‘n’ Roll.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
I guess it all depends on who you want to believe. Could be a long way to both, I suppose.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
not only that,
but loads of rain delays there. That road trip would be awful.
If you're big star bound let me warn you it's a long hard ride
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jun 13, 2011 5:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I can't get a license to drive my car
But I don’t really need it if I’m a big star
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
10-7 over a whole season is 100 wins. Maybe Posey should break more often!
I kid.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Rounding error.
Only deals in multiples of 10.
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It was a loose calculation. What’s 5 wins, anyways? lol
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by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I would prefer if they didn’t do their losing against the Diamondbacks.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Who decided to make everything green?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 5:24 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Giants wanted DeJesus last year and he blasted a wrist right when the deal was almost done
A’s got him between seasons. Now A’s are sinking like a stone, and Billy Beane still thinks he’s smart. Neal? Brown? + ML pitcher not named Wheeler? For him? Wondering. Because I really liked that trade that wasn’t made because of crushed wrist at the wrong time. But I don’t know who G’s offered the Royals.
can't trade brown for awhile
nor should we.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Brown intrigues; Neal, don't know. Neal + what pitcher?
Not Sanchez for this, necessarily. But Sanchez for something seems inevitable.
I liked the DeJesus idea last year, but now I’m not quite sure how he could be viewed as a substantial upgrade over Schierholtz, Ross, or Burrell.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
That certainly seems like a rearranging deck chairs trade. What we really need is a new chair, one not named “Tejada” or “Whiteside”
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
or
a deck chair that can be placed at C. Or 2B.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
That is because he cannot.
An upgrade, arguably. A substantial upgrade? No.
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Maybe not Nate or Cody
But Burrell? What hidden upside? Have results camouflaged Pat’s true abilities as fail?
ZiPS RoS
Burrell-.235/.339/.430
DeJesus-.264/.335/.393
DeJesus is obviously much better defensively, but on a team that already has Ross, Schierholtz, Rowand and Torres I’ll take the extra slugging %
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Also, y'know, ZiPS is not the Delphic Oracle.
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DO NOT QUESTION THE ZIPS
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
CALLING SZYMBORSKI
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Last time I questioned ZiPS, it threatened to delete all my MP3s.
by D.Szymborski on Jun 14, 2011 6:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
.430 SLG vs .393 with defense. Really?
But I didn’t know DeJesus’ obp was so low. That’s a buzzkill.
If I had to choose on of them to be my everyday corner outfielder for the rest of the year and had Thomas Neal and Darren Ford types as 4th and 5th OFs then I don’t know which one of Burrell or DeJesus I’d take. If I already had Burrell I definitely wouldn’t trade much for DeJesus. But the Giants already have 4 other outfielders who field close to as well or better than DeJesus and really lack slugging.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Shirley, you jest.
Burrell is two good days (say 2-for-4 each) away from having the same flashy stat line as always (you could look it up). If BigHead would set him down and give him some regular play time, you’d see what you saw last season. Burrell is the 2nd-best bat on the team, behind only Sandoval. Bochy’s ouija-board method of lineup construction is what has “camouflaged” Burrell’s abilities this season.
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He hits like shit because he never plays.
Rownads hits a HR, and plays for 3 straight days. Burrell hits a HR, and stays on the bench.
I’d like to give Pat a straight week of PT before Belt returns, so what happens. Also, Burrell + Pablo has good power in the middle of the order.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m curious how many times this has been said about Burrell in his career. Baseball players are streaky, but Burrell’s 3 true outcome hitting style lends itself to him looking extremely bad at the plate whenever he isn’t hitting the ball over the fence. He also has a long history of really struggling when given limited playing time in the field. It baffles me that Burrell is the player Bochy chooses to use in a PH only role.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
"Baffles" and "Bochy" in the same sentence?
Why, however can that be?
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He is not playing badly, but even if he were, could it be as bad as 2009? Was he gone then?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I’m not sure that adequately compensates for how putrid he was.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
It's not a fixed number off a chart.
It affects some players much more than others.
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Perhaps.
How do you define “done”? (Even now he is the 3rd most productive active Giant, or 4th if we include Sandoval.) Did you follow out the link? He is all of 4 hits under what we would expect just from his career stats. Most of his problems so far, such as they are, is looking strikes, which has nothing to do with physical deterioration and everything to do with not getting enough play time to keep strike-zone judgement sharp.
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Alas that
Billy Beane is a lot smarter than Dayton Moore.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
SANCHEZ FOR MARK ELLIS
/throwsselfdownstairs
MADBUM FOR PUDGE
Worst part about it is rizzo thinks that’s a “fair” deal and that’s what he expects for pudge which is baffling to say the least.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL MARLINS IDIOT MANAGER
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Arizona has 12 runs in the 4th inning
Isn’t that illegal?
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by Murray, Present on Jun 13, 2011 6:12 PM PDT reply actions
It depends on how many of them were scored by players not from this country.
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 10:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not sure how people feel about a 6 man rotation but I see no reason to run our starters into the ground for the 3rd season in a row.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Define ‘run into the ground’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the extra rest would benefit everyone especially down the stretch
I also have no problem with madbum making a few less starts considering he’s 21 and all.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
How about having Timmy and Matt throw fewer games? And replacing those games with who? Zito?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 6:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Timmy skipping a start doesn’t sound like a terrible option right now
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
This he hasn't looked right in a while
I just think the starting rotation needs extra rest any with all the injury Armageddon this year I doubt it would be a bad thing.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
What does the starters’ workload have to do with the regular players getting injured? Do you think if Timmy had an extra day of rest Mr F’s shoulder would have stayed in its socket?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
No
I’m just being paranoid with all injury fallout and would like to see our starters get some extra rest.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
It does to me. Which would you rather have starting for your team?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions
well rested Lincecum.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
+1000
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
If you want to rest him, you have to replace his start with someone. Who?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I have this odd fear in every one of his starts lately that he’s just gonna give up HRs and get hit hard. Confidence is waning.
Timmeh has felt like watching a Sanchez start unfold lately, which is bad. Maybe irrational, yes, but it seems like he’s giving up a ton of HRs this year.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Greetings mr davis
/shudders
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Someone post the Crypt Keeper from the old HBO show
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions
He's pretty good looking in comparison to sir davis
Good god that picture is horrifying.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
for a season that the team probably won’t live up to it’s potential for due to injuries, maybe going with a 6-man rotation the rest of the way isn’t a bad idea. keep the workload light or them all this year and big innings jump last year. yknow, take your foot off the pedal a little.
on the flip side, the difference between making the playoffs and not making the playoffs in this division may come down to how many starts (and thus, wins) are taken from the other 5 starters by Zito pitching every 6th day.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s exactly what I was thinking when I posted that but doubtful that it will happen.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
I see what you’re saying, but honestly we’re at such a disadvantage with the injuries that I’m not sure we want to further disadvantage ourselves by putting Zito in the rotation.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah thats what I thought people would say
Just so many injuries it’s hard not to be paranoid about over use of starters.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
During this upcoming stretch where they are playing a double header and east coast travel and whatnot… why not give the 6 man rotation a try?
McC: Don't get it? Try the McWiki wiki.
well, you need to use a 6th starter for the doubleheader.
what East Coast trip? all Central, you mean?
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by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions
geography lol’s!!
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by giant4life83 on Jun 13, 2011 6:41 PM PDT up reply actions
This surprised me:
Man IP/G
NL 2011 6.00 [heavily rounded off]
Lincecum 6.60
Cain 6.59
JSanchez 5.74
Bumgarner 6.00
Vogelsong 6.11 (as starter)
I’d have expected it to be a lot worse. Mind, I was too lazy to look at pitch counts and especially maximum pitch counts. Looking at the Pitcher Abuse Points (which are not directly predictive of anything, but are interesting), Tim Lincecum is 3rd most abused in MLB; the next down is Cain, at 43rd most abused, which is probably no big deal. Bumgarner is #58, and I didn’t look for the other two.
(My memory is famously bad, but it seems to me that Lincecum’s abuses have been in good part owing to Bochy managing scared, and leaving Lincecum in when it wasn’t really needful, but I don’t swear to that.)
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Interesting
Before seeing this I’d have thought we’d have 3 starters in the top 10 but only timmy wow. I knew he would be way up there and you’re right on the money with that reason.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Hedging Bets Here
could the Marlins come back and win this one?
9-0 and 12-2, now 12-7 in Top 6th.
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I’m sure the snakes will add on 9 insurance runs soon enough and make it a football game.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
lol @ eric brynes making al lieter extremely uncomfortable
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Everything
Anytime he talks al lieter and matt yallof look terrified as if he’s about to say something rude about derek jeter. He went on a rant about mike stanton taking BP and then started talking about doing the post games shows for the giants and al lieter started to sweat and squirm as if he was going through east coast withdrawals.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
LOL LOMO
Keep on tweetin
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
They should team up jerry manuel and eric brynes on the mlb network sometime the utter stupidity and mumbling would cause their ratings to skyrocket.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
WITH LEBRON AND BOSH!
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jun 13, 2011 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Oven.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I miss Buster
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:(
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
You’re telling me.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit what the fuck is this realignment bullshit
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Life sucks.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m debating whether or not to act exactly as emo as I feel right now.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I bookmarked your tumblr page,
that could cheer you up.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 13, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
If I want to join the club, do I have to take a number?
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Can I use manscara? I actually have exceptional eyelashes for a dude, and it would be nice to show them off.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Yankees and Red Sox must always make the playoffs
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
who cares anyway?
Why should it matter how many teams there are, how many divisions they’re in, how many teams reach the playoffs, or where franchises play, or any of that other meaningless stuff?
WHAT MATTERS IS THAT I GET TO SEE PLAYERS RUN OVER CATCHERS AND INJURE THEM BECAUSE THE GAME CANNOT EVER BE CHANGED OUR CARTWRIGHT WILL RISE FROM THE DEAD AND KILL US.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what would make the casual fan hate a 162 game schedule even more? If it was even more meaningless because about half the teams in the league make the playoffs anyway.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
by sam23 on Jun 13, 2011 10:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm 100% cool with realignment
But I don’t want more teams making the playoffs.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
yea
Thats the biggest problem with this whole thing is that pretty much every plan has more playoff teams. Why try to be more like the stupid and ridiculous NBA playoff format? Why would you want to essentially eliminate the meaningfulness of pennant races? However, I am please that the elimination of the DH is being discussed.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
in the long run I dont think it will be.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
And owners are known for their long-term views.
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exactly
Whyever don’t division series games sell out? Why are the TV ratings for those games bad? Why is Selig?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
That really is one of the greatest aspects of baseball. You have to be in the upper echelon of teams to make the playoffs usually, and there is no reliance on time of gameplay. You can’t run out the clock in baseball and cheapen the last couple of minutes.
I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby.
it's the ultimate playoff "structure"
A 162-game, round-robin “play-in”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions
all the green in this thread, and this one isn't
The baseball season is so totally different from all the “yay everybody wins” sports, it’s not worth comparing.
Hockey and basketball are bad enough with an 82 game preseason.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:32 AM PDT up reply actions
LOLuongo
Or, as some people have taken to calling him, Lebrongo.
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Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
Nucks win in close games, Bruins win in blowouts.
The home team has won every game. I wonder if this trend will continue.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Whatever happens, it’s going to be exciting.
Oh, and I loved how the Bruins’ arena staff played Chelsea Dagger near the end of the game after the Bruins scored their 5th. Nice touch.
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LOLarious. Everyone should play that when he gets pulled from a game
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, I hate the Chicago Blackhawks, but man oh man is Chelsea Dagger such a great goal song. Even better is how it’s ingrained in the Canucks’ minds (LOL Kesler: “Ha ha. Goal scored by number 88, Patrick Kane”).
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Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
I really love their random use of an indie rock song as a goal song. I wish the Sharks could come up with something similarly awesome. Rock n Roll Part 2 is just so generic.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Technically, it is a cover, so Gary Glitter is not getting royalties for that song.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Nope, the copyright was held by Mike Leander, not Glitter.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
In the tune rather than in the performance. Split copyrights for music are fun!
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Glitter owned the performance. Leander owned the tune. So the compulsory license for a cover is issued by the copyright owner of the tune, to whom the royalties would accrue.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, then I had the facts wrong. But considering his legal bills, what are the odds he still owns the rights?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup. An asshole stealing from a creep. No winners there.
Interesting that Pete Townshend never got the same backlash that Glitter got.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Sharks did use Green Day’s Holiday one season, but there was a big outcry about it and they switched back for the playoffs.
I do like that once the Sharks decided to go with the synth organ version of Rock n Roll pt 2, they went all-out and did synth everything for the goal and assist announcements. Makes them a bit unique from all the other teams using that song.
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Personally, I loved Holiday. It was different, had a good beat, and was by a Bay Area band. Seems like a great fit, so I was bummed when the changed it back.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
IMO, a good goal song has a part that you can chant along with (or shout HEY! with). Crowd Chant, Kernkraft 400, Song 2, Rock n Roll Pt 2, and Chelsea Dagger all fulfill that requirement.
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I will now have to brainstorm good alternatives with a chanty part.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Seven Nation Army, especially after hearing the marching band version.
Then again, marching band covers tend to make every song easily chantable.
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Howlin for you by the Black Keys is awesome, but already claimed by the Yotes
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions
This confused me
Midseason call-up Brandon Crawford(notes) has given San Francisco another power-hitting lefty,
Am I the only one thinking that he is only thinking of his 1 home run? Was he a big power hitter in the minors and that flew under my radar? I thought I remembered people saying he was a singles and doubles kinda guy.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 13, 2011 9:08 PM PDT reply actions
Antonio Gonzalez
AP sports writer. I sat there wondering what he was thinking about.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 13, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn't hit much of anything in the minors.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's had a bunch
Hasn’t hit yet.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Um, no.
He’s never had a full year of good offensive production at any level.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
first, he’s had very little pro experience. second, he started every game for three years at UCLA and did very well. third, he’s got a good swing, and he’s not chasing the slop.
First, he’s had three years, and he’s 24. Second, he actually wasn’t a great hitter in college. It’s why he was drafted in the 4th round. Third, if he had that good of a swing, wouldn’t he be hitting better? And maybe he’s not chasing the slop, but he’s not hitting the strikes either.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
hit well over .300 every year at UCLA, and is 9th all-time in doubles there. Seems to hold more than his own in the field, as well.
Prior to this season he's had
one full season in the minors (2009)
one partial season before getting hurt (2010)
and 32 plate appearances the season he was drafted. (2008)
So not really 3 seasons. Also it’s worth noting that roughly 3/4 of plate appearances have been in the Eastern League.
Also, during the season at UCLA which he supposedly did so poorly, his OPS was only .024 lower than the year before, and college seasons are only 60 games.
WWRWD?
by SF Pete on Jun 13, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
My picture got legit recs! But I’m reccing this one too.
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Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 14, 2011 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions
If he was a good hitter
He would have hit well at some level of the minors.
But he hasn’t. And bringing up the fact that he’s been injured doesn’t exactly inspire confidence about future performance.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
If you take a guy from college with some holes in his swing and send him almost directly to the eastern league it may take a while for him to adjust. He was making some nice improvements last year before getting hurt.
He got hit by a line drive during batting practice, I don’t think you can really hold that injury against him.
This year it looks like he’s continued to improve but he’s also jumped two more levels.
I don’t think he’s Arod or anything, but I would say it’s too early to write him off as a terrible hitter.
WWRWD?
He doesn’t even have to be that good of a hitter. Just passable for a shortstop.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 14, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Are you to the point where you want him to be bad
…just so you can be right?
The thong is, it happened.
I want all Giants players to do well.
I think I’m right. I hope I’m wrong. But I’d rather not bore you with my hopes.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Why should your hopes be any different?
BOOM!
=p
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Well if I'm going to bore you
It might as well be with stuff that I think is factually sound.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
He's hitting quite poorly at the moment, it's true.
but I’d think you’d still be interested in his 10.2 BB% thus far.
He also has a .222 BABIP right now and only a 13.2 K%. I am still encouraged by how he’s hit thus far.
I certainly prefer him to Tejada.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Give it to him in AAA, not the majors.
And let me know if he ever puts up an OPS over .750 over a full year in the minors. Then maybe we can worry about his development.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
We should trade for someone.
Our current SS options suck. We need to upgrade at the position. They’re dragging the team down.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
We have as much leverage as any team that's ever tried to fill a hole in their lineup
Which is to say, almost every team that’s ever traded at the deadline.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
So why are you opposed to trading to improve it?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I just think it will end up being a sideways move. Last year may have given us false promise. Really, I see the Giants still being in a development mode, and would best be served by getting their minors to produce some legit hitters.
Seeing as how I think that Crawford is one of the worst hitting shortstops in the majors
I don’t think any upgrade could be considered sideways over him. And we don’t have a future shortstop in the minors. If you want an above average one, we’re either trading or waiting for the offseason.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I still want JJ Hardy :(
but it looks like we’re not going to have a second chance with him.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
GO CRY ON JASON BARTLETT'S SHOULDER, YOU
Hardy would be a solid option. I’m not sure I buy the whole extend-with-the-Orioles thing. Why would Hardy want to do that?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Hardy is the player that most Giants fans think Crawford is
IMO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
There are people who will tell you that the only reason the Orioles got Hardy for cheap was because the Giants signed Tejada. And if the Giants hadn’t signed Tejada, they would have had to give up Zack Wheeler / Brandon Belt for Hardy.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Because apparently one washed up ex-shortstop on the market is enough to create leverage such that the price for a player goes from two C-level relief prospects to something that’s actually valuable.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
nicely done
Those Tejadas don’t just grow on trees you know!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You continue to twist peoples' words on this one
Trying to create a meme won’t change the fact that it was a rhetorical exaggeration when that came up.
My argument back then was that we have no idea what Hardy would have cost the Giants when there was actual bidding going on, so we can’t fairly critique the Giants not getting him. For all we know they, wanted Belt and Wheeler. I never said I thought the asking price was that.
The thong is, it happened.
isnt crawford an fine defensive SS? why upgrade offense as SS unless you’re ready to go the full Reyes?
Because offense is more important than defense
And because Crawford is so terrible on offense that it eliminates most of his defensive value.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
You start upgrading your offense wherever your worst offensive players are.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
This is silly. You should always upgrade your offense wherever you can. You shouldn’t be happy with a .260 wOBA hitter just because he’s a “shortstop”, if there’s a better guy out there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
This is the kind of thinking that led to Juan Castro playing for 17 seasons.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
if you just need hitters, outfield is usually the first place to look. The Giants need hitting all over the place, not just shortstop.
he’s had 50 at bats. he looks better than Belt did with his 50 at bats. Give the kid another month, at least while he’s making good plays in the field
I’ve already said that I’m in favor of that, but if an opportunity for a real upgrade presents itself, the Giants shouldn’t let Crawford stop them from pursuing it.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He has not had 50 at bats
He’s had over a thousand. Most of them were in the minor leagues, and he wasn’t very good in them. But you can’t just pretend that everything is different now that he’s in the majors.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
this says more about evaluating players over 50 ABs than it does about Brandon Crawford.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Because JJ Hardy is just as good defensively as Crawford, while also being a much, much, much better hitter?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He might be. The Orioles are trying to sign him to an extension, but the Pirates were trying to sign Freddy Sanchez to one in 2009 too.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Only if we could sign him to an extension.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
It wouldn’t be ideal, and I’d be pretty annoyed because of what the Orioles got him for (two mediocre relief prospects!) but I think that if they could sign Hardy to a 2-3 year extension, I would be all right with it. This also hinges on Zito / Surkamp / Verdugo a bit.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
You are a chronic rosterbator
You need to take a step back before you develop tendonitis.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
oh GiantPain
don’t you know? Once the team is eliminated, they won’t be trading from a position of need. Then the BIG bucks start rolling in.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm very interested in a good BB%
But I wish it lead to a higher OBP. I don’t see any reason to believe that he’ll put up an average high enough to lead to an even average OBP.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Well, he’s hitting .208 right now with a .222 BABIP and a decent line drive rate. If that goes up, his OBP will be all right.
A .320-.330ish OBP with good defense (16.6 UZR/150 in a SSS!) would be nice at league minimum.
Even right now, he’s been worth 0.3 WAR in 17 games.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
A .320-.330ish OBP
These are the OBPs that he put up in A and AA. That doesn’t make it very likely he’ll put them up in the majors. The BABIP might increase, but he’ll probably start putting fewer balls in play and the ones he hit won’t be hit as hard, because he’s never hit the ball very hard.
Look, if Brandon Crawford could hit what he’s hit in AA (.250/.313/.369), he might be somewhat valuable.
But why oh why should I expect a guy to put up the same line in the majors that he put up in AA?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
?!
The vast vast vast majority of players hit worse in the majors than they did in the minors. That’s why they’re the minors.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Hitting stats from the PCL tend to be about 66% of what they are in the majors. (At least, I think that’s the broad-brush one-size-fits-all number.) So even if Crawford hit .300/.400/.500 in AAA (he hasn’t), we’d expect him on average to hit something around .200/..266/.333 in the majors.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’d look at it from the other way—analyze established pro players and see how their stats changed from the minors.
Some players have improved in the majors, but it’s not the norm and the pitching is definitely much more difficult in the majors than in the minors.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I understand what Brandon Crawford hit at AA. I understand that a straight projection of his AA numbers to the majors does not reflect well on him. I understand that there’s a strong chance that he flat out sucks.
But there were reports that he was making changes this season to cut down on strikeouts, and thus far he has. This might not last, because it still is a small sample size but if he really can cut them down somewhat and maintain a BB% over 10, that could go a long way towards improving his chances of sticking in the majors. I think we can all agree at this point that the glove is major league ready.
I don’t agree with son of ggf so you don’t have to argue with me as if I’m him. I understand your position and obviously I respect it and, in the end, it’s probably still the most likely outcome for Crawford. All I think is that, at this point, I think he’s a better (and more interesting) option at shortstop than Miguel Tejada. I am interested to see if some of the improvements he’s made this year continue beyond these first few months of the year.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
(I also agree that if there’s an upgrade via trade to be made out there, the Giants should go for it.)
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I appreciate the dissertation =P
Crawford is certainly interesting, but for me it’s in a how-low-will-he-go kinda way, whereas other people seem to think he’s the legitimate SS of the future, which I obviously think is kinda crazy.
Good discussion though. I too wonder about his “improvements”, but I would have been just as interested to watch them in AAA. We’ll see what happens I guess. I’d play Fontenot over him, certainly, and Bill Hall too. But hey, I like galoots.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I think he will likely get sent down (hopefully to AAA) once Fontenot comes back, unless he goes completely nuts in Arizona.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I just don't want to see Tejada starting
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
this
Frodonot is the best option on the roster to replace Freddy, right? Keep Hall around to fill in at 2B/3B, dump Tejada, and hope like heck Panda is OK starting tonight.
Bat Crawford 8th, find a C to bat 7th, and it looks like an ML lineup again. If an SS falls out of the sky, great, but I dunno that’s any more likely now than it was in January.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if Lance Berkman plays shortstop...
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
or catcher!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Ryan Garko!
He’s even more of a galoot…he looks like the guy who Bugs Bunny pitched against
The thong is, it happened.
We don’t really have much to trade, though. Pretty much anything on the 25 man that we trade will be a downgrade as well.
Seems to me the best thing to do is make do, hope for the best, and if we don’t make the playoffs, oh well. I am vehemently against trading a non-Zito starter for a rental or a marginal upgrade. If we get someone who will be a starter for a year or two…that isn’t too bad.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
didn't he
hit a triple the other day too? That’s called a TREND, people.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This is what happens when people are forced to write about teams they know nothing about
Editor: “Hey Antonio, write a blurb about the Giants.”
/Antonio looks at some stats and sees the grand slam hit by Crawford
Result:
Midseason call-up Brandon Crawford(notes) has given San Francisco another power-hitting lefty,
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions
LOLDODGERS
The cash-strapped Los Angeles Dodgers must pay Manny Ramirez $8.33 million by June 30, a source said on Monday.
The polarizing slugger is due the deferred money from the $42 million contract he signed with Los Angeles before the 2009 season. The Dodgers traded him to the White Sox last year but still owe him an additional $8.33 million in 2012 and $8.33 million in 2013. Ramirez retired in April after failing his second drug test in three seasons.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
You would think that teams would write in language voiding a contract if a player retires and or is forced out due to PED or drug use.
Also, LOLDOEGERS.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jun 13, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Damned E and D keys all close together.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jun 13, 2011 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's strange
I’m not too familiar with the intricacies of major league contracts, but I’m pretty sure even the guaranteed money is voided by retirement. The only thing I can think of is that since the money was deferred, it’s reasonable to assume that it’s money that he should have been paid during his time with the team but deferred in order to benefit the team. Esentially, he already earned the money.
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 10:52 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
None of that makes a difference. Deferred money is like an IOU for later.
They signed him to a contract, didn’t have all the cash then to pay him, so deferred part of it. So long as he didn’t void his contract (which he didn’t, hitting FA last offseason) then he still gets paid the money he is owed from his completed contract with LA.
It’s not like he skipped out on them- that’s basically what he did under contract with Tampa, and he lost a prorated value of his contract.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 14, 2011 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
LOLDODGERS
At least his PED’ded out rampage to the NLCS in 2008 and 2009 proved all for naught and left dodgers fans in tears. It’s all good though he’s got the east coast bias protective shield on him so no one will ever call him or his dirty red sox teams out for being inauthentic.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Green thread is green
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
by baetown415 on Jun 13, 2011 9:36 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Very green up there
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 10:02 PM PDT reply actions
It sucks.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Like life.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Ironically, that wouldn’t suck.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Super high.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions
D'Backs won
Hopefully they are exhausted from crossing home plate so much.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Long day is long
I’m feeling better now that panda is back but I have the feeling that freddy is gone for the year. My white whale in aquisitions this deadline is hanigan for our new starting catcher with Eli as our backup again. Although I’d like to keep an eye on Hanchez down in Fresno and see how he does. If he seems to be hitting well I’d like to see him come up end of august
Today he was 1-3 with 1 RBI and a BB
by Falconer88 on Jun 13, 2011 10:32 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Shift-A: My takeaway from Grant's post
IT CAN ONLY GO UP FROM HERE!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
never
ever, ever say that. Trust me.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 6:44 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Jun 13, 2011 11:07 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Joke was old yesterday
However deshawn stevensons shirts are still cool
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 13, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Me Neither
I LOVE IT
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jun 14, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
It's starting to grow on me
My god queen james makes an excellent smeagol and dirk does a mighty gandolf impression.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 14, 2011 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought Dirk was Frodo, but I think he looks more Aragorn-ish
/readjusts spectacles
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Jun 14, 2011 12:43 AM PDT up reply actions
You might be right there
Regardless comic gold all around.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 14, 2011 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions
shift A
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
Apparently the rockies have had nothing but “bad luck” all season and that’s the main reason behind their struggles LOL PURPLE ROW.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
Of course they have bad luck
They lost their hot hitting 3B for 6 weeks, likely lost a former all-star 2B for the season, lost a former CY starter that’s still rehabbing, lost their NLCS playoff hero for about 3 weeks, the SS’s can’t hit a lick, their 1B is slumping all season and oh yeah their stud catcher will miss the remainder of the season due to Scott Nephews.
Wait, all they’ve lost to unlucky injuries are De La Rosa and Aaron Cook. Cry me a river and let me swim in their tears.
"I don't get out of bed, for a million bucks!"
- Edgar Renteria or a hooker bribing a family man?
by Scooter Ellis on Jun 14, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
In truth . . .
. . . the Rockies are having awful luck. They have the worst deviation of any MLB team right now; projected to full season, they look to finish 9 wins under what their actual batting/pitching stat lines reckon to. They remain a much more serious long-term threat than the Snakes.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
This is true
but their “fans” crying their eyes out over bad luck and pretending they have the worst injury situation in the majors doesn’t help.
"The criticism was so brutal that Sabean was forced to declare, at a press conference, "I am not an idiot." Thus, the pattern of Sabean's relationship to his critics was established."
by sfgiants420 on Jun 14, 2011 12:32 AM PDT up reply actions
if i did the calculations correctly...
Rockies
Offense BABiP: .296
Pitchers’ BABiP: .291
Giants
Offense BABiP: .287
Pitchers’ BABiP: .297
Rockies seem to be “luckier” than the Giants on both ends
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Walk this way.
M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 14, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Classless, Vile.
The poor Rockies are the unluckiest team in the Majors because PR said so!
/hot air
wow
i can’t believe my numbers were so far off…carry on
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Walk this way.
M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 14, 2011 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
That’s one rather specific kind of luck.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
If you want a real laugh
check out this fanpost that argues they have had bad BABIP luck because they’ve previously had incredibly good BABIP at Coors, but they haven’t this season. Its almost as if something has changed at Coors field in the last year or so………..
Thing A
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smh
how much longer will we be in first while the injury bug slowly dismantles our already thin lineup
by 5SB.1WS.NUFFSAID on Jun 14, 2011 2:31 AM PDT reply actions
Quiet Porch today
I’ll take this slightly overcast 75/55 weather everyday forever.
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Supposed to be in the mid to upper 80's in my whereabouts
I think I will cut out of work early today and take a swim.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I missed the porch today
What was discussed? Politics, kinetic theories or fastfood etiquette?
100 degrees in DFW
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Tehaha will still be in the lineup today with Pablo back
I will not be happy about it, but that is the way it will be.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 8:08 AM PDT reply actions
I’m not sure how I feel about these realignment proposals, but I like that an apparent side benefit of most of them is that the Giants will be traveling to my neck of the woods more often.
Back when I was a kid, the Giants would actually come to Pittsburgh and Cincinnati more than just once a year, which made things so much easier and more fun.
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I wouldn't like it
But I accept it as the way it will be. It would be nice if they threw the traditionalist a bone by also eliminating the DH in both leagues. I think that would make it more palatable.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
as the art critic on the Simpsons said
I know what I don’t hate, and I don’t hate the idea that divisions go away and the schedule gets re-balanced again. I hate having more games against AL teams than against other teams in the NL.
I do hate interleague play, and moving Houston (instead of Milwaukee, thanks Bud) means constant interleague play. I haven’t seen the math to show if that means more interleague games than there are now.
If they really played a balanced schedule, and you assume “interleague” is one of 16 spots in the league, I think that would make for 10 or so interleague games. I realize they’ll never dump interleague, or just have a league championship between the top two finishers in the “superleague”, so I’d take this in lieu.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 14, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions
You know
Jonathan Sanchez isn’t likely to actually be traded unless the Giants fall out of contention. He’s not young or cheap enough to be of interest to a rebuilding team, and a contending team isn’t likely to want to give up any of the parts we need.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
this is what I said a few days ago.
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Huh. From Baggarly's latest blog:
Run differential is like BABIP. It doesn’t tell you everything about luck, or sustainability, but it indicates an awful lot. I’m glancing at the run differentials for the various division leaders right now, and there’s one outlier. I’ll let you take one guess who it is.
I’m not saying. I’m just saying.
SO YOU ARE NOT SAYING!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
to be fair to the Giants
There are actually 2 or 3 outliers there. Take away Cleveland’s May 16 trouncing of the Royals and we’d be almost as far ahead of them in run differential as they currently are ahead of us.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Actually
of the division leaders, I would say that the Red Sox are significantly better than the Giants.
Phillies are a little better
Giants are on par with the Brewers and the Rangers.
Giants are better than the Indians
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Yea, there’s a good case to be made for WHY the Giants’ run differential is going to be worse than most good teams even though they are a good team. I’m just saying that even though the Giants are the only division leader currently with a negative differential that doesn’t make them the only “outlier.” They’re one blowout win, or one Indians/Tigers blowout loss away from being tied with one or two other teams on the division leader list.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
But . . .
. . . the runs involved in these run differentials are themselves products of some luck or lack of it in timing. If you project runs from the team’s stat lines, the Giants are much closer to where they “belong” in the standings than the raw run differential suggests.
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You can’t really take away the offensive explosion of one team unless you also take away all those times the Giants scored 4 runs.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
What...no schadenfraude for Jeter?
Actually with the way the Giants have been viciously brutalized by the injury bug…I’m not in the mood.
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Also
with Colon going down, the Yankees are in serious need for a SP.
Zito? Sanchez?
What would the Giants get in return?
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Sanchez and rowand and tejada and burrell for montero
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 14, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Better yet
Sanchez, Zito, Rowand, Tejada, and Burrell for Montero
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I saw that as:
Sanchez, Zito, Rowand, Tejada, and Burrell for Monsanto
Roundup!
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
I brought it up somewhere else
but Sanchez, a paid for Rowand or Schierholtz and a good bullpen arm for Gardner. Then Ross for Ramon Hernandez. Will never happen, but Gardner-Torres-Belt-Sandoval-Huff-Hernandez-Fontenot-Hall would sure be nice.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Your fantasies include Bill Hall as a starter!
/points and laughs
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yea well
I’d really like a prospects for Hardy deal too, but I didnt want to rosterbate too furiously this early in the morning
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
It looks like Hardy is going to either re-sign with the Orioles or wait until the offseason for a big deal.
Beside with Crawford solid defensively, I would look to trade for other position.
Catcher is first priority and then a big bat OF. Giants have enough depth to fill Sanchez’s injury. Fontenot is probably the first choice.
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OT: championship rings
Mark Cuban says championship rings “are done. Its time to take it to the next level and do something different.” The Mavs are about to do something really stupid that will be laughed at for years.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
my first thought
was some sort of ridiculous necklace/chain
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Tiaras!
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DAMN YOU!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
T-ara!
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by jctGamer on Jun 14, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
He is going to give them all tieras.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Diamond studded championship butt plugs.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 14, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, I’m really intrigued by this.
"Can Manchester United score? They always score... Peter Schmeichel is forward... Beckham, in towards Schmeichel- it's come for Dwight Yorke. Cleared... Giggs with a shot- SHERINGHAM!"
by Useful_Idiot on Jun 14, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Championship ties.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Most likely, though, Championship Busts of Mark Cuban.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Given how ridiculous the NBA is anyway, I would be for this. Mark Cuban is pretty awesome.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I like Cuban simply cuz he cares and puts his money where it counts. He turned a joke franchise into the NBA champs. That’s better than 90 percent of the owners
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championship cock rings
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 14, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
OT: PIE
@extrabaggs Reading Az Republic. All bad news. But a photo of pies at top of page. “Oooh,” I think. “Nothing bad about pies.” Then I see the headline… “MARIE CALLENDER’S 5 ARIZ. LOCATIONS SHUT DOWN AFTER BANKRUPTCY FILING”
by busterbarelyevenknowher on Jun 14, 2011 10:18 AM PDT reply actions
Cheeseburger linked to drug ring
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 10:24 AM PDT reply actions
He sure ain't
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Angel Ayala-Vazquez — known as "Angelo Millones" and "El Buster" — led Puerto Rico’s most powerful drug trafficking organization.
El Busted
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M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 14, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I am so cool
All of my other posts in this thread are green.
/WTF happened here?
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions 7 recs
Something sucky.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
it's so green up there
so so nice
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 14, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Like a forest.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But people get lost in the forest.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of pond scum, but forest is good too.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 14, 2011 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions
oh headline writers
“Frank passes on Weiner judgment”
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In honor of Pablo's return
by Natto on Jun 14, 2011 10:57 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
rec
the only hitter to look forward to now
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 14, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The weird thing is
That I agree that he looks better, so I’m surprised every time I go to his stat page and see that he’s basically hitting exactly the same as he always has: (career .269/.313/.402 versus 2011 .263/.306/.416)
I’m not sure if he’s actually hitting better or if a couple of his hits have just happened to come at opportune moments.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
When in doubt
stand next to the fat guys in the club
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Is that why strangers are always standing next to me....
Explains so much.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Jeez, league average for corner outfielders in the NL is down to around .267/.339/.434. Ten years ago it was .282/.364/.505.
So, does this mean that clubs are pretty confident at this point that their defensive metrics are accurate. Seems like a serious gamble to lose THAT much offense with something so experimental.
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That’s probably part of it, but the context is just different now. Offense at all other positions has dropped as well.
in the land of crappy hitters
the man with killer abs is king
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Is he getting BABIP'd at all?
To my eye, he seems to be making more solid contact
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Incidentally, I’m 100% in favor of Hunter Pence breaking DiMaggio’s hitting streak, if only because of how completely random and hilarious it would be.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
he’s not even half way there <.<
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False
He is, in fact, exactly half way there. He’s at 23 games.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
by GiantPain on Jun 14, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
some kind of math fail
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Wow
I am so goddam stupid.
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by GiantPain on Jun 14, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Have a rec for misspelling goddamn
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/goddam
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Actually . . .
. . . I have no real problem with “goddam”. It is not quite the same thing as “God damned”—it is more like a generic adjective, and so its spelling need not accurately reflect its origin precisely. Compare:
“You are a God damned idiot!”
“You are a goddam idiot.”
Note the change in terminal punctuation: the full form is much more forceful because much more literally profane; the second form is more casual, scarcely much real rhetorical force at all.
(Mind, I don’t approve of either form; if one has to curse, and sometimes one does, then obscenity is much preferred over profanity. I see no need to desecrate other people’s beliefs, whether or not I share them.)
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I don't even have to look.
Anything whatever associated with the name Merriam came straight up from Hell, guaranteed.
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Gorramit, Mal.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Fun fact: The subtitle for one of the times Jayne says that is, “You’ve got a rabbit, Mal.”
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Also funny
Even if he were halfway to 56, that wouldn’t be halfway to breaking the record
Let me know when Pence gets to 28.5 games
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he is not half way to breaking it
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I’m just gonna rec it anyway
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
ditto
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Please do
As big of an ass as I can be, I deserve a proper shaming from time to time.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Hey, I like big butts.
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You other chaps cannot either.
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When a member of the weaker sex walks in, with a derrière in your personage your fancy is tickled.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously. Alert me when he gets to 35, and maybe I’ll start to pay attention. If he gets to 40, then I’ll probably start to pay attention.
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we all remember the hype behind Buster’s 21 game hitting streak
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Benito Santiago had a 30 game hitting streak his rookie year in SD
It was pretty freaking thrilling. I think it’s still the longest for a rookie. (TWSS)
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lol Bochy.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure. That’s because he played for the team that I root for.
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This
I pay no attention whatsoever until someone cracks 30 and won’t pay close attention until they get past 40.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
OT help
How can I post stats in those nifty tables?
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 14, 2011 11:16 AM PDT reply actions
You can either make a table or you can post the whole thing in a code box or you can make the font courier.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Just google how to write tables in HTML
There should be step by step instructions out there.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I know making a table is simple, but I always hated tracking all the tags.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Not fun tracking tags.
But not sure if a code box would be easier to use or not if you’re not familiar with them.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
One plank of plywood and four 2x2s of equal length...
…a few wood screws, some primer and orange and black paint…
bingo! nifty!
The thong is, it happened.
something I'd forgotten was real
mel hall, sf giant
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Not for a while
last update: Another month
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I was under the impression it would be soon. You got a link?
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This
BTW, this news effectively peed in my Cheerios, so thanks for that.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
It may be a case of bad reporting
The Giants lost star catcher Buster Posey for the season in a home-plate collision. Sure-handed second baseman Freddy Sanchez is out indefinitely with a dislocated right shoulder and heralded rookie Brandon Belt might be out another month with a fractured left wrist.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-embattledgiants
Diagnosis was for a month as of 10 days ago I believe
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DL was on the 4th
At the time it was about a month expected. June 7th one of the MLB ghostwritten blogs Belt commented that was hoping for 2 weeks which may be what started that figure.
I knew the actor was on this show. I didn’t know he was playing Spike.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions
His shirt is distracting.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
And he keeps making Star Wars references.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, Matha Jones in the preview!
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Martha, too.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 14, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I was told there would be no Matha
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He meant Mon Mothma
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Big series and we've got our #3, #4 and #5 starters going
What’s weird is that I probably wouldn’t want it any other way.
The thong is, it happened.
You mean the no .3 and no. 4 game.
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Goddammit, Tim and Jonathan, get it together. A nation turns its lonely eyes to the two of you or something like that.
by non sequitur on Jun 14, 2011 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I have a bad feeling about this series preview.
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Here's your series preview
The Giants pitching staff will need to hold the Diamondbacks to negative runs to have a chance to win.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I found this to be amsuing
The Astros announced today that they’ve relieved pitching coach Brad Arnsberg of his duties over philosophical differences, with Doug Brocail taking his place on an interim basis. The Astros’ 4.69 team ERA ranks second to last in the NL this year, with Brett Myers and J.A. Happ hovering around 5.00.
Arnsberg: I think the pitchers should give up more runs
Astros: That doesn’t sound right. We’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
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Doug Brocail is a coach now?
It just seems like yesterday that he was shutting down the Giants.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions
His career trajectory was rather odd
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
This series is going to be played in an airplane hanger
Every fly ball will have a chance to leave the yard.
Pablo is going to see nothing but fastballs on his hands until he can prove that he is healthy.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 14, 2011 11:50 AM PDT reply actions
I predict a big series for Tejada offensively. He’s fighting for a job now.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
I also predict a big series for Tejada offensively
But only because that will cause him to stay in the lineup through July at the least and my pessimistic tendencies preclude me from overlooking this.
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by Giant Torture on Jun 14, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If I still lived in Phx I would be going to at least one of these games :(
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Yeah but you would melt if you went out…high of 103 today and 107 tomorrow.
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It's actually a pretty cool airplane hanger
With the walls and roof open, it feels like a normal yard
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Sad story that is both heroic and ironic
BERLIN – The pilot of a Goodyear blimp screamed “I crashed the airship” before it burst into flames, a passenger who leapt to safety says.
Photographer Joachim Storch told media that the blimp — The Spirit of Safety — missed its designated landing spot at Reichelsheim airfield in central Germany on Sunday evening, causing its engine to slam into the ground.
The pilot yelled “We had an accident!” followed by “I crashed the airship!” as fire crept through the blimp, Storch told the DAPD news agency on Monday.
Storch and two other passengers, a man and woman from a TV crew, leapt 7 feet (2 meters) to safety.
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the spirit of safety?
oh boy.
if there is a god, it’s got an ironic sense of humor
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aaron rowand's stance:
the spirit of shitting
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From sfgate:
Storch and two other passengers jumped from a window. The sudden loss of weight caused the ship to shoot into the air, where it burst into flames, killing the pilot.
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WWRWD?
Read his blog:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/6/14/2223758/giants-diamondbacks-series-preview#storyjump
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Defending World Champs...and currently in 1st place...
Why continue the doom and gloom? Can’t break bad habits?
Obviously, the offense is not the strength of the team, but they don’t have to be.
Now… before you go off the deep end with the “worst in baseball” analysis – I’ve got a few lineups to compare with:
Mariners – (Worse across the board)
A’s – (Not even close)
Angels – (Don’t be fooled by the names)
Astros – (Dreadful)
Twins – (Even with Mauer)
Cubs – (Decent in a couple spots, but truly bad in others)
Look… we can’t all be the Red Sox and Yankees. But give these guys a little credit, they battle hard, play 9 innings and come through with clutch at bats late in close games. I’ll take it.
This is why
Also, 29th out of 30 in runs scored.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 15, 2011 7:47 AM PDT up reply actions
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