Post-Game Thread: Giants impress six people who weren't watching NBA Finals
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 12, 2011 9:04 PM PDT
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Writing about Jonathan Sanchez is like writing an episode of "Scooby Doo." You type, type, type, and then you look up and say, "Wait, you mean you want me to end this thing with them pulling a ghost costume off the villain again?" Same thing with Sanchez. You want me to put some sort of spin on a guy who can't find the strike zone at all, yet still finds a way to wriggle out of almost every single jam?
Sanchez still walked five. He's still just about the most unwatchable pitcher in the majors. But every other team has a problem in the rotation. If the big problem with the Giants' rotation is that one of the pitchers isn't as aesthetically pleasing, though, I guess that's a pretty minor complaint.
Of course, it's totally and completely unlikely that Sanchez will remain efficient while he's walking almost a batter per inning. Either he needs to figure out the wonkies, or he's in for a hard fall. While we were hanging around in the offseason, hoping that Sanchez would find the magic Mark Langston taffy, he was actively plotting he was going to get worse.
- So we're seeing the real Brandon Crawford, who is a guy who isn't going to hit much better than Miguel Tejada, but who will field much better. He's still the better player right now, and I'm starting to think that Bochy knows it, even with Tejada's bat showing a little life. The defensive gap is just too great.
- Schierholtz's bloop to give the Giants the lead was nice, but his walk was even better. I think if he gets regular at-bats, his walks will increase from "no" to "some." Just a guess.
- That's how a bullpen is supposed to work. When an opposing manager puts his two best left-handed hitters back-to-back against the Giants, he de-Bochys the Giants' options with the bullpen. Lopez comes in to make Votto and Bruce look bad, and Romo gets to face Rolen. Perfect.
- Chris Stewart is almost certainly better than Eli Whiteside.
- If the Giants didn't draw at least three walks off Volquez, I think I might have skipped the next game to clear my head. They did okay. They didn't abuse Volquez like the rest of the NL, but they didn't embarrass themselves like they did with Mike Leake, either.
A series tie after yesterday is nothing but good news. I would have preferred a series loss with a healthy Freddy Sanchez, but that's just nitpicking a giant freaking nit.
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So we’re seeing the real Brandon Crawford, who is a guy who isn’t going to hit much better than Miguel Tejada, but who will field much better. He’s still the better player right now, and I’m starting to think that Bochy knows it, even with Tejada’s bat showing a little life. The defensive gap is just too great.
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by Prussian Creole on Jun 12, 2011 9:05 PM PDT reply actions
also
Chris Stewart is almost certainly better than Eli Whiteside.
That’s depressing, because Stewart sucks.
more also
Romo gets to face Rolen. Perfect.
I thought he looked uncharacteristically hittable the last few times out. Not hittable hittable, but not quite himself.
really? Cause He was unhittable Friday Night when he threw 11 pitches.
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he’s done better.
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He’s had ten-pitch outings where he struck out the sade and batters got no contact on any swing. Nothing. But. Net.
Was Marquis Grissom there?
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I would like Romo to break the record Kimbrel set last year for K% by a pitcher. He’s slightly behind the pace right now.
Maybe Stewart and Whiteside should drop some strike 3s so Romo can have some four-K innings?
The thong is, it happened.
I don’t want it that badly. Besides, this is a rate stat — he needs to be at his very sharpest every batter faced to have a shot.
It's a rate stat
But adding a bunch of 4K innings would definitely raise the rate.
My comment was a snarky joke anyway
The thong is, it happened.
That deep foul ball scared me.
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tonight, yes
And the other day one of the Reds really had the slider’s number. Just missed it a few times.
As I said, not hittable hittable, but not quite 40+% K himself.
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I didn’t know what Stewart looked like, and for a split-second when he went out to congratulate Wilson, I saw the goatee and thought it was Benito Santiago.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Time to see . . .
. . . whether Billy Hall mightn’t be an averaging of the two. Or else just wait for the hobbit.
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No; I mean, Yes, he can.
Hasn’t done much lately (as best I recall—too lazy to look), but someone here remarked that his UZRs at SS when he played were actually pretty decent.
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His career defensive metrics are not bad at the position
But strawhats apparently don’t like him.
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I reckon he’d be an even better shortstop than Mark DeRosa.
by Evan on Jun 12, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A point worth remembering when attempting to think along with the FO
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by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 12, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I suppose he might be better than Tejada at short. But there’s not much in the performance record to suggest so.
See the remarks upthread.
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I thought
the point was to have an upgrade from Burriss at 2B. With Freddy gone for a month or whatever, and Frodonot back before then, with Crawford already around, why would Hall be at SS?
Even assuming, as you say, he’s “even better than DeRosa” there… hee hee.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions
As long as Crawford can hit a little bit, he’s the guy, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him hit .160, and then his glove isn’t enough. He’ll need to be spelled by a right-hander occasionally anyway.
.160 seems a little cruel
But I could see .220. That said, his walk rate has been over 10% this year. That gives me hope.
I don’t think .160 is his true level, but a .220 hitter is going to hit .160 for a month from time to time.
his 2009-2010 MLE is .215/.272/.310
He turned 24 in January, so I have some hopes his true talent has one more hop to go.
His performance in the majors has caused me to take him more seriously as a prospect than I had in the past … which makes me wonder whether he would be best served by playing in Fresno for the next couple of months, rather than trying to hold a contending team’s collapsing infield together.
So long as he is seeing major-league pitching, taking walks and not striking out tons, I don’t mind his playing defensive bandaid here. But in an ideal world he belongs in triple A all year.
along with most of the rest of the roster
le sigh.
This still doesn’t answer who plays 2B, unless the theory is Hall is better there than Frodonot. I guess if one person is much better at 2B that’s an alternate answer.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
My assumption is that whether we like it or not, Tejada will play 2B when he’s not playing 3B.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
ew
He has never appeared at 2B in his recorded professional baseball career.
I naively hoped that the dawn of the Bill Hall era meant an earlier end to the Miguel Tejada era. Talk about not needing two of them.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Can i hazz a young ’04 Devi Cruz pleeaaassssseee.
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think there is a correct answer to this question
The man has not played substantial games at SS since 2006…
If he does man SS, we will likely learn while he plays if he can handle it….
by Sgt. Dingleberry on Jun 12, 2011 9:24 PM PDT up reply actions
That's about it, yes.
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Crawford is going through a period where the league is adjusting to him.
It’ll be interesting to see how he adjusts back. He still has upside as a young player
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by giant4life83 on Jun 12, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Count me, as ever, extremely dubious
I’ll be shocked if his OPS gets above .700 again.
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I already counted you as dubious before you responded :)
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by giant4life83 on Jun 12, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Crawford every posting ops over 700 is probable more likely then Burell playing SS.
Though wouldn’t bet the farm on either happanning anytime soon . The reality is the 90’s are over and SS that can field, be team controlled and threathen to hit themsleves out of a wet papper bag are real sparse again.
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He really doesn’t need to… if he can just approach .700 he’d be a valuable player.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think he can do that either
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Shocked is pretty strong
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
During the broadcast, I think it was Valentine who said that Crawford has a good approach (but “tentative”), which I certainly agree with. Whether he can translate that to sustained success is another story altogether. I’m keeping my fingers crossed that he can keep himself from being embarrassed while providing solid defense.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 13, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
fortunately
the Giants have managed to lower the bar at SS repeatedly. Unless LeMaster comes out of retirement suddenly, I think Crawford can at least field his position. Which will be a refreshing change.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:03 AM PDT up reply actions
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by Natto on Jun 12, 2011 9:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Strong message from management:
If you draw walks, you’re fucking done.
Why is Burriss?
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He is supposed to be PR
What Ford used to be. Giants play so many close games, having that 25th guy who can steal a bag is valuable.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jun 12, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
But you can't steal first.
Having a guy who can pinch hit with some chance of actually reaching base is a lot more valuable.
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PR for guy on first
He is not supposed to get AB’s, or he is the guy before the backup catcher who PH in extra innings.
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by Myemail21479 on Jun 12, 2011 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions
That . . .
. . . is like operating with a squad of 24½ men.
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That . . .
. . . is how we won 2 games this year.
I'm still waiting for John Johnstone to come off the DL.
by yankeessuck8991 on Jun 13, 2011 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
this is totally true
but on a team with an offense this horrible, keeping an extra .210 hitter around is a horrible idea.
Alternately, he doesn’t hit much worse than half the Sunday lineup, so there’s not too much to argue about ATM.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He is multi-talented.
He can do many things badly.
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Actually
He can run. He’s a switch hitter (much better right handed) and his defense at second looks better. He had a terrific game defensively tonight.
He also
Doesn’t hit for power (or hit for much of anything), doesn’t walk very much, and still has iffy defense at second, at best, despite improving in that area.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
For his career, he’s at 28/12 SB/CS. That’s right at the breakeven point for stealing bags. I’m not sure I’d say that he can run (unless you simply mean he’s fast. Whether he can use that speed is a different story).
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With a lower run-scoring environment
The “break even” point for stolen bases is lower.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
My brain's fried right now
But it has something to do with the fact that in higher run scoring environments, batters at the plate are less likely to make outs, so in order to justify stealing bases, the rate of successful stolen bases needs to be higher.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Pretty much this.
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Thinking about the converse might be easier: with a lower run scoring environment, the batter at the plate is more likely to make an out anyways. So making an out on the basepaths hurts less.
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Yeah
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
no. work the math
Take any base-out run expectancies. Let the gain from stealing the base be a, the loss from making the out, b. Calc the breakeven: b / (b – a). Now multiply all expectancies by any constant. A and b get multiplied by the same constant. And that means the breakevens are unchanged.
Concretely, take these numbers and check stealing second with none else on, none out. 1993-2010, 73%. 1969-1992, 71%. 1950-1968, 69%. So things do change, but not with the run environment. 1969-1992 and 1950-1968 are roughly identical, but the breakeven is different.
No.
This has been done at length is some prior thread. It was, I believe, the estimable sarf_london_niner who detailed it, if you want to look it up.
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good memory; I closed that one too soon and never saw
note how each basestates does NOT move in a linear fashion. Generally, the more outs and the fewer baserunners you have, the higher the rate of change.
Wow, 60% breakevens in front of craptastic hitters.
I always thought the breakeven point was 70-75%, with minor adjustments for the run environment.
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More or less, yes.
There are quibbles over the exact number, and just how big “minor” may be, but that’s close enough for government work.
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I didn't say he was a great base stealer
I said he could run. I also suspect his success rate would improve a bit as he learns the ropes a bit more.
We always do this – argue about the 25th man.
Burriss stays over Gillaspie cause he’s more versatile. Heck folks here were saying Gillaspie wasn’t anywhere close to being ready when I asked about him a month ago.
They're both poo at this point
Difference is that Gillaspie might not be poo someday while Burriss will most likely stay stinky.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
by baetown415 on Jun 12, 2011 10:11 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
that’s a reason to let him play 3B in Fresno for a while, while Burriss rides the pine as an emergency player/pinch runner until Frodonot returns.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Ok. I was using SB/CS as a proxy for running. Do you have something to back up your assertion other than his reputation and anecdotal evidence?
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Yes my eye balls
There is no question that Burriss is fast. That is all I’m saying.
Fast ≠ Good
What is sometimes called “ball sense” has a lot to do with it. Darrell Evans used to be a good percentage stealer.
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Understood
I said he could run. That is all. He is fast. The Giants don’t have a lot of fast. The main reason he stays over Gillaspie is that he’s a second baseman and Gillaspie plays third.
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He can run. Why, so can I, or so can any man;
but will they come when he does run for them?
His SB% is 70%; that is certainly not terrible, but it is not at a level much different, if at all, from break-even.
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Again we are taliking 25th man here
Gillaspie only plays third – right? I think he played a bit of second base in the minors but I also don’;t think that went very well. Gillaspie is the better prospect. He probably will be the better major league player.
But right now the Giants need a second base/utility player more than they need a third base/utility player.
As for Burriss – he did a nice job stealing second in the 9th the other day before Nate’s game tying single.
The problem is the platoon idea with Hall. Burriss hits much better right handed. That is unfortunate.
Still as between the two on this team with their needs right now, I’d take Burriss over Gillaspie.
How 'bout we compromise on neither?
And try to stick to reasonably decent, useful players?
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Yes, let’s not get confused here. Both of these players are pretty terrible. The mere fact that we’re having to have rational discussions about which players are better or worse than Manny Burriss tells you how badly the season has gone.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
…. no that is cheerful thought.
Yet this squad keeps above 500. If some one in the NL west doesn’t step and take the lead and run with it by 2 weeks into Aug that are going to alot of NL contenders peeing in their boots. And I can’t say they would be wrong to do so.
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm optimistic
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This is impressive
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Who are those 3 guys?
Fucking losers. I bet they never won anything.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Most Inspirational in the Post-Op Ward?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Burriss is going to play
Unless Hall finds his game. If he does, he can be a servicable second baseman and he has some pop. Unfortunatlely he strikes out a ton and generally is yet another low OBP guy.
hopefully not
like you said earlier, Burriss makes a reasonable amount of sense as the 25th man. When we’re talking about a guy who sees regular ABs, Gillespie (and most of the Grizzlies and not a few Flying Squirrels) makes a bit more sense.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
It's going to be a moot point as soon as Fontenot is activated
Burriss will get sent down too
The thong is, it happened.
I hope so
But holy shit does Bochy love him some Burriss for some reason.
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The first thing I saw when I turned on the game the other day was Burriss dropping a ball that was thrown leisurely to him.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:48 AM PDT up reply actions
He really did.
I am the only one who notices he has quite an uppercut left-handed? I like to shout “drop and give me 20” every time he flies out.
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The rest of us go to the bathroom and get another beer when Burriss is up, so we’ve never seen his swing
The thong is, it happened.
he made a couple nice plays tonight, though.
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 12, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Stopped watches &c &c
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He’s fast, plays multiple positions badly, and isn’t much of a hitter.
In other words, he’s the new Velez.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
No he's not
Burriss at least knows how to play the game. Velez did not.
you're right
sign him to an extension right now! If you like it then you better put a ring on it, oh oh, oh oh oh…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions
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by owlcroft on Jun 12, 2011 9:05 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Someone’s gotta hit third with Number Three Hitter Mike Fontenot still on the DL
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LOLS
Shierholtz definitely better with protection behind him. If it is mental, or the pitcher can’t just throw teasers nonstop because the guy behind him is Rowand or Tejada
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jun 12, 2011 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude hits game-winning hits for the San Francisco Giants
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
Good post Grant
Couple thoughts:
Chris Stewart might be better than Eli, but we still need to upgrade at catcher if we want to score runs.
Brandon Crawford might be better than Tejada, but we still need to upgrade at SS if we want to score runs.
Crawford’s OPS is down to .639. We’re not gonna win a ton of games that have him, Stewart, and Burriss in the lineup at the same time.
Trade Sanchez at the deadline. His ERA is still pretty and he should be attractive to some team somewhere. But boy is he pitching on a wing and a prayer. He’s a time bomb, and I’d rather have him explode on someone else’s team while we get to watch Surkamp and some nice new player that our young starting pitcher got for us in a trade.
Nate might just be who we always thought he could be. I’d still make a move for a corner OF who can hit more than our current options, but that’s lower on the priority list than C/SS.
TL;DR version: GiantPain hates Giants, Brandon Crawford, Chris Stewart, and wants to trade farm for everyone.
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Except it wouldn't be Surkamp
It would be Zito
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Here's what it boils down to though:
I’m less ok with Stewart and Tejada
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the only thing worse than watching Jonathan Sanchez walk the based loaded is Barry Zito walking in runs in Game 161
by The Franchise on Jun 12, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions
lol oldjacket and I were sitting next to each other when he did that… it sucked. Sucked really badly.
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Zito is going nowhere fast
He is moderatly serviceable 5th starter. Good for the 5 or 6 inning Sanchez usually gets. Vogelsong hopefully will stick around a couple years, looks like he could be the real deal, and the other 3 are tied up for 2-3 years or so.
Sanchez still has a market, he still has a couple years of control via arbitration. I would like to find a good LF option. When I say good, I mean significantly better than Nate, and a 3 or 4 spot hitter. Worthless to trade Sanchez for anything but a heart of the order guy. I like our long term prospects in the infield, and Ross\Torress do not need upgrading and would be hard to.
Maybe we can get Corey Hart?
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by Myemail21479 on Jun 12, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
You can never surrender!!!
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by zodiac_chiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
"Trade Sanchez"
I’m open to this line, if the deal is right, but, on the other hand, if the Giants are still hanging on to first and have opened up a lead, maybe not. I’m positive of that.
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I think the scenario you laid out may actually be the best time to trade Sanchez. The illusion of not being desperate goes a long way in brokering a deal for the better. Plus, that nice lead would give them a little cushion for the impending Zito-dom.
Of course, this is all contingent on how Sanchez pitches up to the deadline. If he continues to get away with copious amounts of walks while still pitching well like he did tonight, it’s going to be a hard decision to trade a good SP like that. On the other hand, copious amounts of walks usually turn into copious amounts of runs given up. Sell high, or ride the high and hope it doesn’t blow up in your face?
by JSing on Jun 12, 2011 9:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
For the record
If Sanchez continues to pitch “Sanchez well” (walking 15 while still offering a quality start), I wouldn’t trade him. Sanchez on the right side of streaky is a very, very tough pitcher to beat. Unless the trade is an absolute no-brainer in the Giants favor, I take my chances.
by JSing on Jun 12, 2011 9:27 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
and he hits doublez
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by Penitentiary Face on Jun 12, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Y'know . . .
. . . it’s not as if this is some sudden new turn of events with him. JSanchez was, JSanchez is, JSanchez will be; he is a starter with an ERA about 88% of league average who can give you 90 pitches or 6 IP, whichever comes first. Not a few clubs would be ecstatic to have such a starter to add to their rotations. How exactly “ecstatic” would prove out on goods offered in return is, however, another question. Giving up position players for pitchers is not immensely popular with most front offices.
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Hey, I agree
History, and I assume statistics without having access to them at the moment, tell us Jonathan Sanchez can still be effective while throwing X number of walks. If he consistently puts up a line like tonight then you don’t trade him, and it’s that simple. His utility is based largely in him essentially being the third, most likely fourth starter. If it’s Ace Jonathan Sanchez, it’s a different story. Having your fourth starter always being a candidate for a QS, with an upside of dominant, is a luxury at worse.
by JSing on Jun 12, 2011 9:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who are some of the last few LHP starters with J Sanchez’ success and contract, give or take a few quirks, and what did they fetch?
If Scott Barnes will get u Freddy Sanchez, what might be the return for Jonathon Sanchez? Three month of Reyes?
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Also I think the AT&T factor may come into play
Sanchez is the number 3 starter Italent, not number in rotation) on a team that plays in a very pitcher friendly park. If I’m a GM, I take both those into account and devalue his numbers a bit. Just like a devalue a hitters number a bit when he’s the 3d or 4th best hitter on a team that plays in a hitter friendly park. See, Werth, Jason. See also, Rowand, Aaron.
I am pretty sure the park factor for the home park has been very close to league-average the last five years.
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It suppresses left handed home run power and compensates with triples alley to basically play as an average park. Unless you are a left handed home run hitter not named Barry.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 12, 2011 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade, shmade.
Please, folks, get out of the sittin’-on-the-stoop-tradin’-baseball-cards mindset. Fontenot is an adequate shortstop. There is no need for a strong catcher past this season. You don’t give away parts important enough to get value for just to get a tiny upgrade or a couple or three months of use. If you want to rosterbate—a mug’s game at best—concentrate of a terrific young corner outfielder for some pitching and one of Ross/Schierholtz.
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That's all well and good
If Fontenot is available to play shortstop. Which he won’t be if he’s playing 2B because Freddy’s hurt.
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And his name is . . . Bill Hall.
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A nice sub to have around
But there should be players available via trade who are at least a 1-2 win upgrade over Hall.
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Perhaps there should; but are there? And what do they cost?
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I'd get Reyes and play Hall/Fontenot platoon at 2B
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oh good
and I’d like a pony.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
If you have the prospects to get that Poney, I'd pull the trigger.
Pony might be able to get you into the playoffs.
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pony is a hoss.
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by The Gene Hackman on Jun 12, 2011 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Poney
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by zodiac_chiller on Jun 12, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it's worth 2-3 wins over what we've got.
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It is worth a high first rounder to them
If they just let him walk. Why would they sell for less?
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by Myemail21479 on Jun 12, 2011 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It only takes one eager buyer for them to be right and you wrong.
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I hate to break it to you, but . . .
. . . I think their opinion will be more important in this matter.
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Don’t make me dig out the repeating facepalm gif….
If this franchise does nothing but re sign it proven young talent it can contend for the next 5years. You get Reyes for anything ther then a song and the window of contention becomes this season and possibly ( maybe) and other season the other 4 NL WEST teams want to audition to move to the nl centeral.
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you.
Neat and clean.
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I won't.
Where do you rpopose we go from here?
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considering the Zito/Rowand sinkholes
flailing, desperate trades for big expensive names is the worst possible outcome. Kouz is 29 with some history of production at the big league level. He’s not a bank breaker. Why not take a hack?
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And play him were?
At least Hall could become ( though is not likely to be) V 2.0 of ’04 Devi Cruz. Expection Kouz to play MI is like expecting Nate to be catcher.
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking from memory only . . .
. . . possibly fallible, but I believe he cleared waivers and accepted assignment to the A’s triple-A club.
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I’m mildly surprised he cleared waivers. But not THAT surprised.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
First time he was DFA’d. So I don’t think he had a choice—it was either accept the assignment or retire.
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But he did have to clear waivers.
That he did says much.
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ZITO AND ROSS FOR HEYWARD
Pick up as much salary as it takes. Please.
I tend to agree with this
I’m not willing to trade top prospects for a rental. Its one reason I keep talking about Pudge – he’s not gonna cost anything. So you take a flier and hope. OTOH, if you can trade for a player that you control for a couple years, that’s a different story.
Who are those (available) young corner outfielders????
I'm agreeing with Owlcroft's post
Not sure why it came out where it did on the thread.
there was a need for a catcher last year too
unfortunately he was named Molina, and “anchored” the lineup. There is an obvious need this year, and no guarantee Posey will be ready in April. Nor that Stewart will hit regularly.
It’s not very hard to upgrade from what they have at C. Whether or not Sanchez brings more from another team for something else is a different question, but they need a major league catcher and they lack one at the moment.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanchy will look great walking guys in Queens.
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Sanchez + Neal for Jesus Montero?
God, I’d love that.
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I'd do it too
Which, by rule of thumb, means the Yankees probably wouldn’t. But perhaps if we caught them at a moment particularly desperate for starting pitching.
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Anyone know what the proposed package was Lee last year?
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Montero + (since traded) RHP Zach McAllister + 2B David Adams
Was the reported offer, IIRC.
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by Gobroks on Jun 12, 2011 11:14 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I finally looked up some commentary on Montero.
He would be a perfect Giant: no walks, no power, wholly BA-dependent for value. Shawon Dunston would wet his pants in delight.
Well worth an established premium starter plus a position-player prospect. Do’er Sabez!
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I wonder if they might also want some relief help
Maybe RamRam or Affeldt or, if absolutely necessary, Romo.
Montero was worth Lee. But his stock has only fallen this year with a mediocre performace. He should, at least theoretically, be more gettable, especially if the Yankees don’t see him as a catcher of the future, which it doesn’t look like they do. And with Teixeira under contract forever, what is Montero to the Yankees? DH of the future?
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You must be joking
Montero hit 21 home runs in AAA at the age of 20. He has incredible home run potential and was the #3 prospect before 2011 by Baseball America. His 2011 performance would probably only drop him to around #12-13.
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That article is a bunch of guesswork on a SSS. I’ll go with the consesus that says Jesus Montero was the best hitter in the minor leagues last year and has 50 home run potential in the majors.
50 HR potential?
He’s repeating AAA and has four HR’s this year in over 200 at bats. He’s young and promising, but I sure don’t see what you’re seeing.
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by rxmeister on Jun 13, 2011 7:52 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
50 HR potential?
He’s repeating AAA and has four HR’s this year in over 200 at bats. He’s young and promising, but I sure don’t see what you’re seeing.
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Somehow “bad gateway” means your post was successful and you shouldn’t have to press send again. I’ll learn from this mistake.
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by rxmeister on Jun 13, 2011 7:54 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
yea 50 might be high
but he did hit 20+ in AAA at age 20 last year and he’s displayed a pretty good patience as well. 30 HR and a .350+ OBP seems like a fairly reasonable hope for him within a few years. I don’t think the Yankees would trade him for Sanchez, but then they do almost have to make a trade for pitching and I don’t know that there are going to be any more attractive pitching options out there.
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he's really young
‘50 potential’ means ‘might hit 50 one year’ not ‘will hit 50 every year’. I am comfortable saying Montero might hit 50.
The fact that he's repeating AAA at 21 should probably not be held against him.
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thank you for saying that
but if SIRM’s back or knee gives out they might end up with him in NY anyway.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions
until
Bochy refused to play Montero over Whiteside because of his defense. And then you’d get to see Montero sit some more behind Posey, Belt and Huff next year.
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right
his defense is a question mark too. And for a team that kept Posey in Fresno to learn how to catch, I think Steve Decker would have his hands full for a while.
Better to find an old hand-type guy who will be around next year too, and thereby give Posey a chance to recover fully and not break down from overuse later. Which might not take Sanchez or in any case as much as prying Montero away from NY (who can still use him to DH).
I find it amusing that so many here heap derision on Yankees and their prospects as overrated but slaver at the thought of getting Montero.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions
RE: Sanchez
He’s definitely regressed this year as far as his control goes. But how long have people been saying he’s a timebomb? At this point, I think we are seeing what Sanchez is. He’s a guy that will never reach his full potential. But neither is he Oliver Perez. He’s just Jonathan.
That said, I’d be willing to trade him for something good.
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by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 12, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh wow.
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wasn’t that joke made a billion times in the regular season?
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Don't remember too many press conferences in the regular season
Where a reporter asked both Lebron and Wade if they choked in the NBA Finals
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the deferring to wade in a post conference joke was made. a lot.
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You don't see why it's amusing
That when asked a question about choking, essentially shrinking from the moment, Lebron lets Wade handle things?
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the first time?
sure. 8 months later? Not so much.
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Sigh
You don’t seem to get it.
Its ok though. Maybe Lebron will actually work on becoming a better basketball players this offseason (you know actually getting a post up game) instead of working on being a global icon
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thats another criticism I just don't get
Do people not see how much LeBron has improved? He’s gone from becoming a liability on defense to one of the best defensive wings in the league. His offensive efficiency has trended upward steadily to a now elite level for any player, especially a wing. HIs 3 point shot still needs work, but its still quite a bit better than it was when he broke in. His per minute assists and rebounds are much better than they used to be. But at 26 years old he doesn’t yet have a post game. For shame LeBron! 26 year old Kobe wasn’t yet dreaming of posting a man up. You won’t find a bigger Jordan fan than me, but he didn’t develop an elite post game until a decline in athletic ability forced him to if he wanted to remain the most dominant player in the game. I don’t particularly like LeBron or the Heat but the flak they are taking for making it to the NBA Finals and losing is ridiculous. Their preseason celebration was ridiculous and they deserve to be criticized some for that. But its not that much different from Jason Terry tattooing the trophy on his bicep before the season. I wish both teams in the finals this year could have lost. But mostly I don’t understand why everyone is pretending like this proves LeBron isn’t still the best basketball player alive right now. Find me a team that wouldn’t trade their best player for post-gamelessLeBron James tomorrow. That team doesn’t exist.
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Championships matter
Rightly or wrongly. He has none. That will change. Plus, when you are the Man and you score 2 points in the 4th quarter of 3 straight NBA final games you are going to get heat. Deservedly so.
Sure, they matter. And I’m fine with some discussion about if/when LeBron will get one and some discussion about how they failed to live up to their own hype. Whats been happening over the last couple weeks just seems over the top to me. The 2004 Lakers team was basically constructed almost the same way as this Heat team with almost as much self imposed hype and they just almost literally quit in the finals, yet didnt receive nearly as much criticism for it.
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Lakers didn't have the preseason hoopla
Heat made their own bed with the LeBron ESPNshow and the ridiculous dry ice, coming up through the floor bit they did pre-season in Miami.
LeBron is a terrific player. Maybe the best player in the league. But people love to knock someone down whose at the top. And when he lays an egg in the 4th time and time again, he’s gonna get the blame. It’s as simple as that.
By the time he’s done, he’ll have a couple rings and be considered one of the all time greats. So don’t fret for LeBron!
Huh, in what way?
The comparison between a way past their primes Malone/Payton hardly seems fair to Lebron/Bosh joining Wade. In any case, I think it was the collaboration, stemming from when they deliberately signed extensions to become FAs at the same time, that angers people the most. Not the actual team itself.
by JSing on Jun 12, 2011 10:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Kobe and LeBron were two of the most dominant players in the league and then were joined by two high profile free agents and future hall of famers. Kobe and Shaq were already together and Malone and Payton weren’t elite players anymore but it was still just as blatant of a “mercenaries out for a title” move as the Heat. . It got a whole lot of attention, as they knew it would, and they didn’t exactly do much to discourage that.
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Major difference
people loved Malone and were cheering hard for him to win one.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 12, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
thats my point
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There also wasn't all the lead up.
What Miami did was bordering on ridiculous. Only Payton did something big about it when he went out on an award show and pulled out a jersey. There was no big party where they said this was the future, also because most of them were on their last leg. James, Wade, and Bosh are also still in the primes of their careers.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 12, 2011 11:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Kobe and Shaq were very much in their primes. Malone was still close to as good as Bosh is now.
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Malone was dragging one leg up and down the court. Bosch is better now then he was then.
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by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 13, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
The Laker situation was less “mercenaries out for a title” than it was “aged superstars out to accomplish the one thing missing in their career”. There’s a big difference between doing it when you have maybe 1-2 seasons left in you and trying to do it in your prime. Plus, by that point Malone was essentially a bench player.
I also don’t really fault any future hall of famer who had to play most of their career during the Jordan era for doing whatever they could to get a ring.
The first six innings are overrated.
close to
15 pts/10 rebs/4 asts per 36 minutes with above average efficiency isn’t really “essentially a bench player.” Malone failed to get a ring while playing with Stockton. Yes, he had the misfortune of playing in the Jordan era (though remember there was a gap in the Jordan era, a gap that Olajuwon managed to capitalize on) But Stockton was a vastly superior player to any running mate Cleveland ever managed to find for LeBron and it wasn’t looking like they were going to be able to lure a big name free agent to join him in Cleveland in the near future.
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"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
My point still stands that the animosity toward the Heat is a result of the way it happened, not that it happened at all. People hated and rooted against the Lakers because they were the Lakers, but there wasn’t nearly as much vitriol as we see with the Heat. That team won three straight titles because they had one legitimate superstar, signed another in free agency, and put role players in place to facilitate and contribute where needed. It’s the epitome of team building in the NBA.
On the other hand, the Heat had three buddies who decided it would be neat to play on the same time. And you know what? Maybe if the Heat win three or four championships, it was worth it for Lebron James. Especially if what he says is true, that all he cares about is winning and he doesn’t care what everyone thinks (but check out his post-game comments about the people who rooted against him, and how they have to go back to their miserable lives; he cares). But I think there’s a lot to be said about a man who gets more pleasure out of playing with the best instead of competing against and beating the best
by JSing on Jun 13, 2011 12:20 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Poor argument
I’ve never heard Jordan saying he wishes he could have played against Pippen. I never heard Magic wishing he could play against Kareem or Worthy. I never heard Bird wishing he could have played against McHale and Parish.
Those guys all had the benefit of playing for a team that had great players playing at peak moments of their careers. Cleveland had 7 years to find him a complimentary player, but instead the only argument they had to keep him was that he was born in a nearby city.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Jun 13, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Find me a team that wouldn’t trade their best player for post-gameless LeBron James tomorrow. That team doesn’t exist.
The Cleveland Cavaliers.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jun 12, 2011 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
6-4 over the homestand
Feels awesome right now after everything that has happened.
All I’ll say is that this team shows the heart of a champion, even if the offense plays like a T-Ball team at times.
Survived and still went 6-4
Panda coming back, and we going to AZ to show them snakes how the west will be won.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jun 12, 2011 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions
/waves hat over head while riding away into the west shouting “WAHOOOOOO”
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on Jun 12, 2011 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Surely that's . . .
. . . Hi-yo Wahoooooo"?
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
make sure you scream “America!” when you hit the accelerator
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 12, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Merica.....
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 12, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait
The NBA Finals were on today?
Proud member of the Do Not Under Any Circumstances Trade American Hero Joe Pavelski Or Else I Will Be Crushed Club
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
NBA Finals?
Aren’t there still another 45 rounds to go?
If the Heat would’ve won tonight, a 2-legged sack race would’ve been held on consecutive Sundays until a winner was crowned. Alas, they did not.
by JSing on Jun 12, 2011 9:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d forgotten how long it takes to play a 7-game series in basketball as opposed to baseball. It seems like forever ago when I watched Game 1 with my brother-in-law. I haven’t watched and was barely following the Finals since. But I’m glad Dallas won.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Eliminating the off-day between consecutive home games would solve the problem. The first three series are 2-2-1-1-1, so theoretically, under my scenario, you’d have the first four games done in five days. For the final three games (if needed), fine, give them a day of between games for travel. Expanded over three series, this saves many a day.
Also, get rid of the two off-days, play on the third garbage.
by JSing on Jun 12, 2011 9:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He really say that?
LMAO
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on Jun 12, 2011 9:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
Schierholtz does nothing but hit game-winning/tying hits and makes spectacular plays on defense.
Shhh!
If we compliment him too much the baseball gods will ensure he is injured soon. :(
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 9:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I TAKE ALL CREDIT
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Didn't get a chance
All runners were walks or hit to left/left center
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
and
teams seem to have scouts writing things in reports that are read by their 3B coaches.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:23 AM PDT up reply actions
The worst kind.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
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This
There are the .263 hitters that come up and you cringe, then there is the .263 hitter like Nate where as a Giants fan, I just as soon have Nate up in a key situation as anyone. He is developing a pattern of coming up big.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Jun 13, 2011 12:05 AM PDT up reply actions
What is encouraging
is all of the opposite field hits Nate has been delivering. For a team like this, it’s critical.
And it may be contagious … note the two opp field RBI hits Huff gave us tonight.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
We have been screaming ourselves hoarse . . .
. . . in this household, yelling at the TV screen (however atavistically foolish that may be) for Huff to go opposite field. I wish for sitar and tabla players that I might telephone him and intone “Go to the opposite field; go to the opposite field; go to the opposite field . . . &c &c”. (Movie callback.)
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I’d be more inclined to send some characters from Goodfellas his way, but yeah. To each his own I suppose. The seeming allergy towards going with the pitch, especially in a home park built for intelligent as opposed to stubborn hitting approaches, grinds the viewer down after a while.
Maybe they should move that damn splash hits sign behind the hitters so they can’t see it.
He can’t hit to the opposite field right now because his hands are a mess. He’s ripping them through the zone and out in front most of the time. Lotsa chaos with Huff.
Uhhh ...
I’m hoping he’s really trying to do it situationally now.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Sanchez is a good pitcher
Amongst all the trade talk and the fact that he can drive you batshit crazy when you watch him, its worth remembering this guy has been in the top 4 for K/9 the last 2 years (and is still this year). Lefties with K/9 numbers exceeding 10 are not… common. The fact that we have Lincecum and Cain shouldn’t detract from the fact that Sanchez is a 3+ WAR pitcher – and sometimes I think we’re spoiled because of those guys at how good he is.
Yes, its frustrating that he hasn’t taken that step forward and shaved of the 1 or 2 BB / 9, that would make him a genuine ace, but unless we’re getting Colby Rasmus for him, giving him away to make place for Erik Surkamp or Barry Zito is ridiculous.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
by Aadik on Jun 12, 2011 9:21 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
sorry, K/9 exceeding 9 - he's been at about 9.5
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
2009-11 K/PA 25%
Good for #6 among qualified starters.
BB/PA 13%.
Good for #1 among qualified starters.
Holy actual fuck.
I'm in this line
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
He’s not merely not taking a step forward, he’s moving backward. Velocity is down and walk rate is up.
I’m pretty sure he’s choosing to throw slower to hopefully have better control
by The Franchise on Jun 12, 2011 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions
It ain't working.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Intention without execution; this does not help us. Still, if he continues from this point forward delivering QS, you do not trade him.
by JSing on Jun 12, 2011 9:35 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He's putting up ERAs below what his peripherals suggest he should be putting up
He’s overperforming, is likely to regress, and has high trade value as a lefty strikeout pitcher.
Au contraire, now is the perfect time to trade him. And no, of course we shouldn’t “give him away”. But we should trade him now while he’s pitching well.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I wonder whether many GMs can be fooled by ERAs that don’t match up with peripherals anymore. Kinda doubt it.
Never underestimate the stupidity of most major league General Managers.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
we all knew not to trade for Vernon Wells
Some things even fanboys get right.
It was still a terrible trade at the time of the deal.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
As with everything . . .
. . . some do and some don’t.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
GMs routinely give up premium talent for relief pitching
Ed Wade signed Brett Myers to an extension his peripherals say he didn’t deserve.
John Lackey’s peripherals suggested he was far more mediocre than his ERA in his last two seasons with the Angels, but he still got a huge contract.
Happens all the time.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Quoting the previous posts, emphasis added:
He’s overperforming, is likely to regress, and has high trade value as a lefty strikeout pitcher.
I wonder whether many GMs can be fooled by ERAs that don’t match up with peripherals anymore. Kinda doubt it.
"GMs" is not a monolithic thing.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
well help me out here!
What are some overpays of MLB level pitcher for position player recently? Not like Kazmir, where one was a prospect
Both of those players outperformed their FIP / xFIP in the years I identified.
Admittedly, In Myers case, his peripherals were better than I remember, so perhaps he deserved his extension – though he did still outperform his peripherals.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'm trying to remember . . .
. . . where on the scoreboard they show “peripherals”.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Not comparable.
Walks and OBP are real stats, records of things that did or didn’t happen.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
So . . .
. . . FIP / xFIP are just count stats? I pay little attention to them, by my understanding is that they ultimately deliver results that “should have” happened. There is nothing wrong, and much right, with predictive and interpretive metrics, but value judgement is case by case, not generic; when I read “outperform his peripherals”, I get slightly fumé.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I like Pouilly-Fume, does that count?
Both turn rate stats into some stripe of RA.
Nope
They count walks/strikeouts/home runs and then put them into a nice little scale so you can easily compare them to ERA.
FIP was invented by tangotiger:
The formula is (HR*13+(BB+HBP-IBB)3-K2)/IP, plus a league-specific factor (usually around 3.2) to round out the number to an equivalent ERA number.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I imagine a spectrum that goes:
RA ERA QoP FIP xFIP
increasingly abstracting (as you move right) what “should” happen from what did happen.
None of them are “true,” of course. The rightmost ones have greater predictive value in smaller samples, but the leftmost ones catch up once you get to 500 innings or so.
Some quibbles there:
In a way, ERA is worse than actual runs allowed (I assume that is what RA means); the recent Ubaldo Jiminez outing suggests as much (5 UER aftre one error).
QoP is not quite the same as the further two, in that it does not make any allowance for fielding above or below average, but does make allowance (inherently) for clumping vs scattering of events, which is a different sort of “correction to reality”. I could build in a fielding correction, but doing it right is a lot of work, and I haven’t been sufficiently motivated to put it in (I thought I would over last winter, but what is the road to hell paved with?).
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Damn!
Sick burn.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
If you read my immediately prior post . . .
. . . you will (I hope) perceive the difference. I would never say a man “overperformed” or “underperformed” his TOP, because his TOP is what he actually did; so is QoP. If a pitcher’s ERA is significantly different from his QoP, I still don’t say “overperformed” or “underperformed”; I merely note that the sample size is still too small for the two to have come into alignment. (It is rare for them to remain much separated after substantial IP.)
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
At what point do you get convergence?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I once carefully calculated and graphed it . . .
. . . but that was literally decades ago, and I’ve forgotten. I seem to dimly recall that it got good between 50 IP and 100 IP, but I’d hate to be held to that.
A few random snippets from the Giants staff, just to look/see:
Lincecum, 899.1 IP, Qop 3.00, ERA 3.02.
Cain, 1181.1 IP, QoP 3.38, ERA 3.44
Romo, 149.1 IP, QoP 2.30, ERA 2.59
JSanchez, 681.0 IP (excluding tonight), QoP 3.88, ERA 4.18
Runzler, 61.0 IP, QoP 3.89, ERA 3.84
There is—again, speaking from dim memory—even at many IP out, a sort of fixed band of “noise”, of +/- some small amount (maybe—I’m guessing—0.10 or 0.20?), that never vanishes; but most times the convergence enters that band fairly early on.
Understand, if you will, that QoP is a cobbleup from a different measure, which is the TPP; the TPP measures what the TOP does for a batter: expected runs produced from the given stat line. That includes errors in its figuring in an integral way, just like hits or walks. To convert to an “ERA-like” measure involved slicing out the UERs, which I did in a pretty simplistic, brute-force manner, because it is not a measurement that interests me much personally; I made it at all only for those not accustomed to thinking in terms of annual runs and no ER/UER distinction.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
That small noise is totally fine as long as there’s no consistent bias to it. I can’t recall how quickly tRA, FIP, xFIP, and SIERA converge with ERA. I recall seeing a post on it sometime in the last 6 months (I think). I want to say that it may have taken a couple of seasons for them to begin to converge (although, to be fair, I can’t remember what cutoff was used to determine convergence).
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"Seasons" wouldn't be appropriate . . .
. . . because of the SP/RP dichotomy. I usually reckon in IP, though BFP would, I suppose, be better.
Yeh, the “noise band” was essentially symmetrical.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
True. I’m probably remembering “seasons” only as increments of 200 IP, i.e. a full healthy starter’s workload.
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Ah, how times have changed.
Steve Carlton threw chiefly a wicked slider—supposedly the pitch hardest on the arm—and routinely put in about 320 IP a season. And that wasn’t especially notable.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Routinely threw 320 innings… twice in his career?
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Yes, I see that memory has again been playing tricks.
I always seemed to see 300+ back in the days when all the stats I dealt with had to be hand-entered from printed material. But the record says, as you note, only over 300 twice.
Still, that is quite something in itself, and he did have a full dozen seasons of 250+ IP (and one more that just missed, at 247.1).
Times have indeed changed.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I don’t think we need to be so cautious. We’re simply noting that the more fundamental numbers (k rate, walk rate, etc) don’t support the headline numbers, and that’s a vital thing to know. As with anything baseball-related, there are error bars as to how authoritative these numbers can be in what they tell us about the future.
I guess I usually say “outperformed” myself.
When Lackey got his deal, he was coming off a 3.83/3.73/3.87 season, so there’s nothing there at all.
Myers was at 3.14/3.56/3.64. Not a big difference imo.
Oooh, what a shit I am
You’re right about Lackey.
Still, on the central focus of this question, I think that GMs make awful terrible trades all the time.
I’m not sure I could come up with a specific case of a trade that overvalued ERA relative to FIP/xFIP, but I can think of a million dumb trades that happen all the time. Capps for Ramos. Wells for Napoli. GMs are not all smart.
Surely we could find a GM who would overrate a shiny ERA and “no-hit™” stuff.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
GM are paid to make terrible trades
Because they’re paid to make trade, and some of them will work out terribly. So they do.
Proud father of Barry Bonds.
In a sense, yes; in another, no.
Certainly the essence of management is making decisions (which sounds duh-level obvious, but many “managers”, in all fields, do a lot more dithering than deciding). And no manager can be expected to be right in every decision. What matters, of course, is the net balance (which is why it’s not hard to find deals that, say, brian Sabean made that are quite good). So a manager gets paid to make decisions some of which are bound to be awful, but he gets paid to avoid those terrible ones to the greatest extent practicable.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Sabean
has made more “quite good” trades than he has awful trades. The Kent et al for Wiliams was his first “quite good” trade. And a huge gamble. The worst, of course was Nathan/Liriano/Bosner for AJ. Stunningly bad.
His “quite good” trades at the deadline last year brought the Giants a championship. No other SF Giant’s GM can say that.
There are many who would violently disagree.
Look over the past few season’s FanPosts for any with the name “Sabean” in their titles, and read those directed at his abilities (or lack thereof).
Most—possibly all—baseball journalists, when making lists of topX and bottom X GMs, put Sabean into the Bottom 5.
It isn’t worth rehearsing all the arguments here. Look them up; if you still disagree, start a new Fanpost.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I've always thought Sabes gets a bum rap
Bochy, on the other hand, isn’t nearly as good as his reputation.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I'm actually a Sabes supporter
although I believe he was more effective 7 or 8 years ago (minus the AJ debacle) than he is today. Bochy on the other hand, nice guy but how in the hell do we find ourselves in such a Catcher-lite predicament with Bochy at the helm? Next time I see Downsides make a backhand stab without shifting his body on a pitch in the dirt with runners on base, I’m going to throw myself down the stairs and drag whomever is in reach with me. Regarding Bork, some of this success is longevity. If you are around long enough, eventually success will find you even if it is for a short period of time.
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by Penitentiary Face on Jun 13, 2011 12:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Bochy isn't responsible for the roster
Blame Sabean for the catcher thing – although I get it. You aren’t going to spend anything for a backup catcher when you have Posey. As for Bochy – the job he has done so far this year is nothing short of brilliant. Having this team in first place with all they have had happen to them is an incredible feat.
last year
as of April, it would have been spending for a starting C. Now, it’s spending for a starting C. Next year, if Buster isn’t ready to go or has to limit his playing time early in the year, it’s spending for a starting C.
And hopefully having an ML C around would lead to less grinding on Buster. He was on pace to start 875 games this season.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 7:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Results
Bochy has a consistent record of managing teams that end up exceeding expectations.
I certainly don’t agree with all his lineups, but think he excels in:
- Pitching staff management
- Not sacrifcing
- Communicating with his players and keeping them involved
- Acting in TV commercials
- Riding in a convertible holding the Championship trophy
The thong is, it happened.
And dancing with Uribe.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions
I think the man is an absolute wizard with the players as people, between innings and particularly between games.
I don’t know if there’s a part of his in-game management that I don’t find suspect, though.
And as frustrating and maddening as it is to watch him in-game, it may simply be the case that the between game stuff is the more important of the two.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
in-game
I always wonder how much additional info there is that we don’t know.
There seems to be cases where a more obvious move could be made, but we don’t know who’s under the weather, who might be on the bench as some sort of punishment for breaking a rule, who might be dinged up, etc.
I bring this up because Baggs mentioned how banged up Huff and Whiteside are and I certainly had no idea.
The thong is, it happened.
No reason to go there
I know Sabean isn’t popular with journalists. Primarily, I presume, cause he can be an ashole. And I didn’t like the last few Bonds years – when it was more about HR chase than winning. Although I tend to blame ownership more for that. Sabean has done a poor job with major FA signings. On trades, he’s been pretty damn good. Last year he was terrific at the deadline. Williams-Kent et al was a steal. It led to years of success. As did Schmidt for Vogelsong and Rios.
In the end, I’m results oriented when it comes to managers and GM’s. Sabean has gotten pretty damn good results.
Rec for ya...
I agree. Complaining about not having 4 genuine aces in a starting rotation is a first world problem. Dude’s a decent pitcher.
Hitler was a Dodgers fan.
Sanchez is good
But
We have 4 good pitchers and Zito. The other 4 are better than Sanchez. Sanchez might be trade bait to get us a 3 WAR hitter, which is like 10 WAR on the Giants.
So, get something great for him, or get used to watching this.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on Jun 12, 2011 10:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Proably not, but we can't be positive yet either way.
I really, really don’t believe, but no one can deny the man’s making an awfully strong case.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
1. Righty//lefty/righty
2. Save the bullpen
3. Every team has to face one of Lincecum or Cain in a 3+ game series.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Up Up Down Down
Fill in the next four words and that’s your answer
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Of course. The only question is what kind. My recommendation: pineapple coconut.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The answer to that question is always yes.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
You’re a lactose tolerant Asian?
(Don’t tell me if the answer is no.)
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Meh. I drank milk by the gallon as a kid too, but I still ended up intolerant.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions
The flip side of it is, it ended my latte/cappuccino habit, so I save money now with plain, good old coffee.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t until I went to graduate school. And then I didn’t start drinking alcohol until I started writing my dissertation.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
This, times a million. At least three cups a day, often more. And I was lactose intolerant from the age of 8 on. I only realized it when I moved out to go to college and stopped consuming copious quantities of milk. All of a sudden, my stomach felt better.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
in soviet russia ice cream gets you!
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Jun 12, 2011 9:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Jun 12, 2011 9:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Why, what did she catch you doing?
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
DALLAS WON!!!!
WHOOOOOOOO!
Yes I was watching the NBA Finals instead of this game. It helped that they had that blowout yesterday.
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
fuck and yes
I don’t have ESPN so I couldn’t watch the baseball, sigh. But seeing Lebron shit the bed yet again was really not a bad consolation.
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Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
I just tried some Bulleit bourbon last night
Definitely needs a large splash of water to tone down the heat, but not bad for bottom shelf.
The SJ Giants have won 8 straight
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
they just had a 12-game win streak snapped right before that. very good team.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Jun 12, 2011 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have preferred a series loss
GRANT ROOTS FOR THE GIANTS TO LOSE
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANT
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
Time to finish watching some PING
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Just because I still have this open in a tab from the game thread...
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
by Ceora on Jun 12, 2011 9:32 PM PDT reply actions 6 recs
always awesome
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANT
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
seriously
it makes me laugh every time
Extremely proud adoptive parent of Paul E. Stanley, WORLD CHAMPION SAN FRANCISCO GIANT
Thanks to roger
I've never been happier to have Crabs
11/1/10
11-2
crazy
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Sidebar:
Baggerly reports that De Rosa will start swinging a bat Tuesday, hoping to eventually work his way back to playing again sometime this season. Whatever one thinks of his chances, I daresay we all wish him well and good luck.
Any report yet on the FSanchez status?
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Freddy Sanchez will rest and rehab for a couple weeks. Capsule is loose and labrum is damaged. Hoping to avoid season-ending surgery.
Is this from “Day of the Dove”? My Trek nerddom has gotten rusty from lack of use.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, The Tholian Web. As a kid, I didn’t have the necessary suspension of disbelief to overlook why the Enterprise could be trapped if the web was only being spun in front of the ship but not anywhere else.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
The Enterprise couldn't move
Kirk was lost in some interdimensional space, and the ship expending any energy would cause “the dimensional rift will become damaged and Kirk will be lost forever”
Basically…Enterprise move = Bye, Kirk. I think the web was just added for even more drama.
Yeah…nerd.
Brian Wilson on Sliders: "I do throw them, but I would never eat a burger that small. That's just plain ridiculous."
by TheresTortureInside on Jun 12, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok, more of the episode is coming back to me now. That’s right, Kirk was in some sort of ghost state and Chekov was ranting about his possibly being dead.
Now I’m recalling the Kirk-ghost visuals creeping me out as a kid.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 10:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Should there be a picture there?
Not seeing it.
Anagram of "SF Giants World Series Champs" = SHARP, ORGASMIC, ENDLESS SWIFT
by Stuttering John Tamargo on Jun 12, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
You’re missing out on another chapter of Pavel Chekov commenting on the San Francisco Giants.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
The damaged labrum does not sound good at all.
The loose capsule could, I think, be tolerated.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
It’s likely Giants will advise Sanchez to get his shoulder capsule surgically tightened at some point.
WTF is a shoulder capsule? That sounds like made-up, cyborg shit.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
by iammclovin on Jun 12, 2011 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
While not 100% sure, I’m confident that I actually had exactly the same injury Freddy had, about two years ago (and just healing up now). Basically, I threw too hard and the shoulder popped out and back into the socket, tearing the biceps tendon where it connects to the labrum. The labrum is a disc of tissue in between the humeral head (ball of shoulder joint) and shoulder (socket).
What happened was the tendon connecting the biceps muscle to the labrum tore off, where it should have been flush with the labrum. This is known as a SLAP (Superior Labral Anterior to Posterior) tear.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAP_tear
http://www.health.com/health/library/mdp/0,,zm6287,00.html
http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/generalshoulder/a/slap.htm
Shoulder injuries are very difficult to diagnose, even with MRI (I eventually needed three office tests, an x-ray, a regular MRI, and a gadolinium-dye MRI), all while undergoing more “conservative” treatments. That’s why there’s ambiguity in Freddy’s diagnosis…imaging is very difficult.
The semi-good news (for Freddy, but bad for me) is that you’re pretty much 100% functional when you have this injury, except that every time you do certain motions (particularly ones which stretch and twist the biceps tendon, such as throwing), you feel pain in your shoulder. Not extreme, intense pain, but certainly every time I threw hard I felt moderate to high discomfort in my shoulder. After a full YEAR of this, I finally decided to get surgery. I’m just healing up now. The surgery went great, but I was definitely out of commission athletically for a good 6 months. If he got surgery now for the ailment I’ve described, almost assuredly we would not see him the rest of the season.
So the prognosis is decidedly not great: surgery, and byebye, or no surgery, but decent pain with every repetitive throwing motion (and it’s not like that happens a lot in baseball…..)
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 13, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
wow
Spazzy sighting!
That kinda jibes with what they’ve been saying about the prognosis, namely wait a little while and see if he can live with it (I’m not too optimistic after the way he looked leaving the game), and if not go for surgery.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
No, but the surgery was state of the art. In previous years, any sort of shoulder joint repair required pretty much slicing open the entire thing, leaving a huge scar. Permanent pain was very possible. My surgeon at Kaiser was able to reattach my labrum by tying the labrum down using long term (3-4 year) degradable surgical rope into a plastic bolt he inserted into the bone. In addition, he cleaned up some scar tissue and scratched my bone to encourage blood flow into the joint, which enables healing. All of this was done with three (almost indistinguishable, now) super-thin 1/4" incisions at different points of my shoulder.
Recovery was very long and slow, and PT was, as far as I can remember, the most painful experience of my life.
Number one fan of Justin Bieber being the number one fan of the Dodgers, and not the [2010 World Series Champion] Giants.
by Spazzy Mcgee on Jun 13, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
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Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It starts as a little pill, and when you throw it, it turns into a shoulder.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
That's terrible
I bet the rehab doesnt work and he ends up getting that surgery in a few weeks
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Most likely he’s out for the year. About things like this I hate being right, but I thought it was his season as soon as it happened.
You left out Crawford. Unless you meant at 2B in which case Fontenot really isn’t much worse than Sanchez at all. If you count Crawford’s defensive edge over Fontenot at SS the gap between Crawford/Fontenot and Fontenot/Sanchez isn’t THAT terrible. It hurts but its no Posey to Whiteside/Stewart.z
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
I've not had the injury
but my impression was that a dislocation by itself (i.e. the kind that doesn’t require surgery) isn’t all that horribly painful. And Freddy looked like hell coming off the field. So yeah, sorry Freddy.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I had a pretty bad looking shoulder dislocation a few years ago. It was painful but not that bad once the initial shock wore off. The worst part is, they refused to pop it back in right away until I could get xrays which took about two hours. So, it was kind of like holding a stretch for 2 hours, not fun.
WWRWD?
Argh.
Ignoring what losing Freddy could cost us in the win column, I just really, really, really love watching him play. Please be okay in a couple of weeks. Please.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Amen
If it means anything to “play the game the right way”, Freddy Sanchez plays the game the right way. Why is it that the players who get injured are the ones I can least bear to see injured? At least Andres Torres remains.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
hey now
that sounds a little jinxey there at the end.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions
The only problem I have with Freddy is the sac bunt worship. Love watching the guy play.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 8:39 AM PDT up reply actions
No this dance again..
So odds he will get real treament come december is now up the 33%. Great.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 10:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Does anybody else find Gary Brown to be an incredibly awkward tweeter?
JT Snow and Robb Nen are my heroes.
But then 2010 happened.
Wait, I really like it.
He looks to have an offbeat personality, perfect for this team.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Canceling it before the season starts would be a distinct change from our usual tactic of essentially canceling it somewhere around the 6th or 7th game.
The first six innings are overrated.
Canceling a sport before the season started
has worked out pretty well for Cal baseball this season
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions
this is actually logical
given the number of commenters that seriously said things along the lines of “lol baseball, they’re not successful”.
They advanced to the postseason last year too. Seriously people.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions
But, but the chance to prove who is truly the nation’s best public university!
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jun 12, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Winning!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
by jctGamer on Jun 12, 2011 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions 15 recs
rec'd
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Walk this way.
M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 12, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
This must be green.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
BEAUTIFUL
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on Jun 12, 2011 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I've got these hats too.
You got good taste. :)
rec’d.
by Abby Normal TS on Jun 12, 2011 10:03 PM PDT up reply actions
So this just happened
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10150284093241323
My daughter decided to join in while I was playing random Cal fight songs. Wife grabbed the camera.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Sacrilege
Giants hat brim should be resting on top of Cal hat brim. Not the other way around!!
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
by tobias on Jun 12, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Larry Baer photoshopped this
right after he salted the field at the o.co colosseum.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Baer went to both Stanford and Cal.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I was referring to the conspiracy theories prevalent among Athletic Supporters. You’d be surprised how much Larry Baer has done, I think he’s related to the Rothchilds and a charter member of the Freemasons.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
A lot of people do, in fact.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh and, as of Tim's last start
Ryan Vogelsong has officially been the most valuable Giant this year per fWAR.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
LOL
Imagine if we said that at the beginning of the season.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 9:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoops, rWAR, not fWAR
Still, though.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Vogelsong's
rWAR – fWAR = 2.5 – 1.4 = 1.1
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Walk this way.
M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 12, 2011 10:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Miggy: lolWAR leader!!!
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington. Walk this way.
M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 12, 2011 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions
RA with a defense adjustment and some other stuff v. FIP and some other stuff
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
MadBum actually has a better FIP than him though
But they’re both below 3.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
WAR...HUM...WHAT IS IT GOOD FOR
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING…..
SAY IT AGAIN@#@@@@@@@@@@
it's still only June
but that kind of number is pretty awesome.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:33 AM PDT up reply actions
What kind of career has Mike Bibby had, anyway? The last time I checked in on the NBA, Bibby was with Sacramento and had just finished tearing up the Lakers in a losing effort. I thought he was going to be a superstar.
by non sequitur on Jun 12, 2011 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s been below mediocre since.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Jun 13, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I am a Giants good luck charm (sss:1). I missed baseball.
by Deleuzian on Jun 12, 2011 10:02 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
Doctor Who talk
Watched “Journey’s End” last night. This is where watching a whole season in two weeks hurts the emotional impact. Especially since Martha and Rose were in, like, half the episodes in series 4. Also, there was kind of a Buffy/Angel thing where you had to watch Torchwood and the Sarah Jane Smith show to really understand what was going on. I watched a little Torchwood, so I knew those characters, but I didn’t really, you know? And what the heck is going on with Sarah Jane? The computer is her husband?
Rose was pretty annoying throughout the whole episode, which was disappointing given she was so badass in the previous two. It’s not all about YOU.
I liked that everyone was annoyed with Harriet Jones, former Prime Minister. “Yes, we know who you are.”
And Donna… :( Catherine Tate is so great at both the comedic and serious moments.
I really hope “End of Time” is a better send-off for Tennant.
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Jun 12, 2011 10:19 PM PDT reply actions
It is.
“Journey’s End” is RTD at his bombastic, hanky-wringing, kitchen-sink-tossing worst. It was, to begin with, dreadful in concept even for people whose science stopped at the 7th grade. It also had more than the usual quote of tractor-trailer-sized plot holes. (But Harriet was, I thought, a charming touch of light humor—the poor dear never could accept that anyone actually knew or cared who she was; in her head, she’s still an obscure back-bencher from a trivial district).
Yes, Catherine Tate—whom most fans, especially in Britain, were originally howling with indignation about—was wonderful; in this household, we reckon her a clear runner-up to Sarah Jane as best companion ever. ""The End of Time" is also somewhat OTT, but not so badly at the very end, by which I mean (I don’t think this is a spoiler) that there is a sort of coda after the main business of the story line ends, and it is touching and charming.
Sarah Jane’s computer has a history explored in that series, but essentially she built it under guidance; she calls it “Mr Smith” more like a brother or cousin I would say than like a husband. (And she has an adopted son—not wuite human—whome she aodres as if he were her own.)
I think the very best Tennant/Sladen interactions were in “School Reunion”. His line to Rose applies to all his human companions, and bites deep: You could spend the rest of your life with me—but I can’t spend the rest of my life with you. Sheer pain.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I’m actually re-watching The End of the World right now with a friend, so I won’t write a novel here.
But ditto on the “You could spend the rest of your life with me…” line. That was an amazing, amazing moment. I loved it. And it was heartbreaking.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
So...
Brett Pill? Learned how to play 2B this year and is a good glove at 1B.
Hitting .288 with 11 HRs. Why not?
because that line is below average in the PCL
He’d be terrible in the majors.
give him a shot
2010 Bill Hall would be one of the 3 or 4 best healthy hitters on the team. He probably won’t be that Bill Hall, but its a lot more likely than Pill being that good.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
hard to say
I’ve never really watched him much at all and his UZR numbers are all wonky. They say he’s terrible at 2B and the corner outfield spots but solid at shortstop, third base and centerfield. This doesn’t really seem possible to me and I assume those numbers are so weird because he’s never really had a set position. I’d guess he’s a below average defensive 2B but still better than Pill at 2B defensively
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Maybe Mark Ellis will switch clubhouses after the Bay Bridge Series. Wouldn’t mind the A’s throwing in Landon Powell as well.
AN seems to hate Powell, so I don’t think that they would mind much.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Ellis would be nice. Is Powell really any better than Stewart/Whiteside?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
better hitter, but his catching defense is akin to Bob Uecker’s strategy for catching the knuckleball.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
ZiPS RoS
Powell .215/.303/.336
Whiteside .221/.281/.327
So I guess thats “better.” But its not really something I’d be at all excited about.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Ellis is on the DL last I heard. In other words, right up our alley.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 12, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Your 2011 Giants
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The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
correct
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you mean
Suzuki.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:34 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL whiny Brandon Phillips
DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
Sorry but I had to say this… Those 5pm TV starts are tough on the hitters! Can’t put on a show for fans if u can’t see the ball! #NoBueno
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
It's kinda true though
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
It's very, very true.
I still remember doing some wraps after the 1984 Candlestick ASG. The horrible lighting conditions owing to the game time were the chief post-game talk comment.
(Sidebar: My goodness, that was a spectacular production Bob Lurie & Co. put on! Many experts said it beat most Superbowl parties. I sure liked it.)
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
1984 wasn’t the best year to have the All-Star Game at Candlestick, was it? That Giants team was not good at all.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Bob Brenly and Chili Davis were our players in that game.
The team thought Jeffrey Leonard should have gone, but the league wanted Chili instead. The wretches.
by mrs. owlcroft on Jun 13, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
No one disrespects Chili Davis. NO ONE!
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
by ResDog on Jun 13, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is San Francisco
Didn’t you hear? It’s a Game Of Shadows.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
MBM tested positive for hCG
Shouldn’t you replace ‘BALCO’ with ‘Serono’?
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When we play the Game of Shadows
do we win or die?
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCK JOFFREY
Pease was never an option.
by shanghaijim on Jun 12, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Something Sansa will never do.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions
haha
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
This is perfect
In a weird way, that fading away kind of tempered my joy. It even made me a little sad. Oh, sure, I’m glad Dallas won. I’m glad Miami lost. I’m glad Dirk Nowitzki won a championship — he’s one of the great players in NBA history. And I’m glad that The Decision Season did not end with LeBron James holding a trophy above his head. That would have been a tough one to take.
But the way it ended made me feel like the whole season of rooting against Miami was kind of pointless. Sure, the Heat came close. Sure, the Heat overwhelmed teams at times. Sure the Heat got to the brink of the most brazen championship in recent memory. But, then it got too hard. And the way it ended make me feel like this Miami Heat team, with LeBron James playing the lead, wasn’t really good enough to be worth my disdain.
Joe Pos is brilliant
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I disagree
I think that heat team was certainly good enough to win the championship.
The thing that annoys me most is that the Heat will probably go and win the title next year, and then all the sanctimonious sportswriters will talk about how they needed to be humbled before they could win it all, or that they needed to redeem themselves, or some bullshit like that.
The Heat are a good team, and capable of winning titles. Dunno if they will. Nothing’s for certain.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
They are a good team
but not a great team. They’ll be better next year because now they have mid level examptions and can offer to resign their own free agents and have more cap room to work with, but I honestly did not believe they were going to beat Boston if both teams were healthy.
Joe Pos point was that this should have been a story of a superstar team losing to a bunch of scrappers, but instead, the better team simply won, and Miami was not worthy of all the hate thrown their way. They were not the unbeatable juggernaut that people made them out to be.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Of course
No team is unbeatable. But nor were they destined to lose.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
They looked pretty impressive against the Bulls.
I am a Lebron fan and I think he and the Heat have been unjustly demonized, but it is a mystery how he went from dominating the game at both ends of the floor, shutting down Rose and owning the box score when it counted most to just being another guy on the floor. I am not subscriber to “Hero” theory. if it realy is a team game, which everyone is praising the Mavs for playing, shouldn’t passing and defense be just as important as scoring? Shouldn’t first half points be just as important as second half points? Yes they should. But there is still this massive contrast of how these last three games went compared to how the Conference finals played out for the Lebron and the Heat. After game two I thought it was just a guy trying to play team basketball. After game three I just thought this was some SSS bull crap that the media was selling headlines with, after game 4, I thought we would see an explosion in game 5 and the guy we had seen dominate against Chicago would be back just in time. After game 5, I started to wonder… And now I’m starting to really wonder if there is something to all the crticism—dished out in irrational portions by the media but maybe revealing in some form a bit of truth…
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on Jun 13, 2011 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m not sure how I feel about LeBron and the Heat. But one of the main points, and one that I agree with, is that when Dirk didn’t have his shot, he had faith in his talent and kept shooting.
Granted LeBron has Wade and Bosh to pass of too, but for him to take only 10 shots in a game is just ridiculous and a sign that his confidence is lacking.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
When you don’t have your shot and you keep launching shots up anyway you’re hurting your team. Its more acceptable from Dirk as the only other real scorer on the team is Terry and Dirk’s best skill is, by far, his ability to score. LeBron’s best skill may not be scoring and he has one other elite scorer and at least one other very good one on his team.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
It's an amusing contrast with the image created of him in the media
But, in the end, ’twas unselfishness killed the beast.
LeBron should have taken control, but he wouldn’t.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I agree, but 10 shots! 10 SHOTS! You telling me that LeBron only got 10 looks that where good enough to take the shot?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
which game?
Last night he took 15 shots and the guy who went 9 for 15 with 6 assists did more to help his team than the guy who went 9 for 27 with 11 rebounds yet he’s still the one who is gonna get killed by the media today. If you mean game 4 then he took 11 shots and only made 3 of them. I’d like to see a guy who realizes he’s that cold and has LeBron’s skill set start attacking the basket more at that point and try to get the free throw line, but I’m not going to kill him for realizing he’s cold and deferring to one of the 5 best scorers in the league if he’s passing, reboundind and defending well.
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
Lebron’s plus-minus yesterday was -24, so the only time he “helped” the team was when he was on the bench. As for the mid level exceptions, with the lockout you really don’t know what the economics are going to be, so don’t go conceding the title to them next year this early. Not to mention that DWade is 29, and should start entering the downside of his career shortly. The problem with having a team of superstars and a weak supporting cast is that if someone gets hurt, you’re done. Ask the Knicks, who though they weren’t going to beat the Celtics anyway in the first round, were going to give them a tough series until Amar’e Stoudamire hurt his back. An injury to Wade or Lebron at playoff time next year could be terminal even if it’s a minor thing.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Did not watch or listen to any of the game today
too busy getting a Master’s degree. But it looks like it went well.
…well enough. I would have hoped they could score more than 2 in 6 innings off Edinson Volquez, but… all things considered, that’s not too bad.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Congrats! I was at the Stanford grad today also
Gorgeous day to graduate
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Jun 12, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It was really perfect weather
Especially in the grove where they held the School of Education graduation.
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Congrats!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 12, 2011 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
At first I thought of this as ‘propeller high five’ and I was a little grossed out.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Congratulations
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Congrats!
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by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Grumble
DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips
Yes i sure did… LMAO RT @mitchmcnabb5: @DatDudeBP did u push torres off the base in the first inning!?
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I wasn’t sure if it is was the momentum of his arm swinging around to make the swipe tag, or if it was intentional.
If you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying to win. We’d all be laughing if the Giants did that to someone else.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 12, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually, we still don't know which.
Nowhere does he say he did it by design. It could have been just a consequence of a normal swipe tag. Indeed, I’d guess that if it had been deliberate, ala Kent Hrbek, he would not have so freely admitted it (to no obvious purpose).
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Sanchez annoys the shit outta me.
But given the choice between him or Zito, I pick Sanchez.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
And he waives his no trade clause.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice to see a Giants blowout 2-run win
I don’t when I became a Giant optimist (maybe 11/1/10?) but somehow even with all these key injuries, I feel OK about the team’s overall chances as we go into the summer.
It helps that 3 of the other NL West teams aren’t even .500, LOL.
"I don't get out of bed, for a million bucks!"
- Edgar Renteria or a hooker bribing a family man?
I enjoyed watching the Dodgers and the Rockies killing each other this weekend. A 2-2 split keeps them both off our back for a while
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
How did Furcal look?
What is he now soemthing like 8 for his last 35 Pa’s with a walk?
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
DL again I think
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 12, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Agent Ned getting it done!
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm. Proposed Pokemonz trade
Send Dustin Pedroia, Bos 2B from 2B to Choose You
Send Jose Reyes, NYM SS from SS to Choose You
Receive Ben Zobrist, TB 2B from Choose You to Bench
Receive Derek Jeter, NYY SS from Choose You to Bench
Receive Ubaldo Jimenez, Col SP from Choose You to Bench
I think not.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 11:18 PM PDT reply actions
that is a horrible trade for whoever is getting the zobrist / jeter / jimenez side. Yuck.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That is what he is trying to talk me into taking for Pedroia + Reyes
I LOLed.
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Now, I hates me some Pokemonz, but I am just tired enough to appreciate this.
Counteroffer the closest thing your roster has to a bag of balls and some pine tar for Zobrist and Jimenez.
Hmmm
Nick Hundley + Ty Wigginton? No, still too good…
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 12, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I've been out of the loop the last few days
What’s the word on Freddie? How long is he out?
by BrianIsAwesome on Jun 12, 2011 11:33 PM PDT reply actions
We have Bill Hall now!!
Does that tell you enough?
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
The science guy?
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I think he does corpse retrieval, or rejuvenation..or something like that.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah I saw that. Kind of strange they picked him up so quick. Freddie must be out for a long time then?
by BrianIsAwesome on Jun 12, 2011 11:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Party line is..
Rest it a couple weeks and see if it can be played with later in the season to avoid season ending operation.
You typical Giants stuff with an injuried Vetran that they can’t pretend it uninjured at all.
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by daveinexile on Jun 12, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A: Sitting at the Sacramento airport
waiting for my rental car
Am I allowed to start paniking about Timmy?
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Already did that.
Today we lament the walks of Sanchez.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Jun 12, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Just enjoy that the Bears are going to Omaha, and the Giants will work themselves out.
No worries.
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Jun 12, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Soooo yesterday's news. Today we are sobbing over Freddy Sanchez.
And sighing about Jonathan Sanchez walks.
Pease was never an option.
by shanghaijim on Jun 13, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
What was the conclusion re Timmy
I don’t really sigh about J. Sanchez: It’s expected
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Combo of being overworked + not used to new catcher I think
by WhatsAMataHari on Jun 13, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm concerned, but the majority is not.
My position, if it wasn’t for last August, I would be very, very concerned. The other McC don’t seem to be overly concerned. Some attributed some of the problems to poor catching, ie. Timmeh losing confidence in some of the pitches in situations he can throw, others just said, perhaps a tad tired, might be best to skip a start with Zito coming back. The last thought is concern enough for me. I really don’t want to see Barry anywhere near the mound unless it is in Fresno or for another team facing the Giants.
"I always knew I was going to be thrown at. I was old-school, so I didn't care, as long as they hit me from the neck down.'' Hac-Man One Flap down Jeffrey Leonard
by Penitentiary Face on Jun 13, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
You are only allowed to start picknicking with Timmy
Cause that’s how I read it
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 13, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Posey is on the 60-day DL.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
They couldn't: see below.
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Well, they could have done it in leiu of DFAing Rohlinger.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
They needed a spot for Hall.
Had Rohlinger still been there, he’d be gone now anyway. I imagine they saw no pressing need for moving Posey to the 60-man before now.
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Without DFAing Rohlinger, they could have moved Posey to the 60-day and added Hall. It’s true that they didn’t need to move Posey to the 60-day until yesterday, though.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
yet Hinshaw
is still standing tall.
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Just sayin'
Want to acknowledge that a team that’s lost its best middle order hitters (Sandoval, Posey, Sanchez) is somehow winning more games than it’s losing…I’m biting my towel with Tarkanian intensity like the rest of you, but so far (for what little its worth being mid-June) it’s been an amazing ride.
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by LeMasterBlaster on Jun 13, 2011 12:46 AM PDT reply actions
grant has been following baseball for how long???
ive heard the same shit about durty since 05…its what caused the giants to yo yo him between starter and pen…which fucked him up good for a full year
sanchez has the nastiest stuff of anyone on the staff…his problem has been, and may always be…concentration
if he just can remember where he slots his arm from one pitch to the next…he will be unhittable
but shit…he aint gonna have a collapse…until the team reaches the post…and he implodes and the giants win the ws
as for crawford….SURPRISE….THEY GOT BOOK ON HIM….that is why every team pays advance scouts…who do nothing but chart pitches and hit balls
crawford is a smart kid…with great presence at the plate…and unlike belt, who looked like he had the weight of the world on his shoulders, crawford knows that he callup was because of circumstances….he will either adjust, or he wont….but damn…he is great to watch on d
and freddie is done for the season…lets hope its not longer….cuz cripe…that would suck so bad
and as to your stewart greater than eli bulletin point
read baggs….
you are great on opinion pieces…but you aint a beat writer and are not down in the trenches with the players…so you dont know shit about what they are going through
but remember…eli was never an everyday catcher
and neither is stewart
hey grant…why dont you make another…based on past performance posts….and tell us how its impossible for vsong to be pitching as well as he is
I HATE SABERMETRICS…I HATE MONEY BALL…I HATE THAT FUCKED UP WAR STAT
CUZ ACCORDING TO THEM ALL…THE GIANTS DIDNT WIN THE WS LAST SEASON…THE PHILLIES REPEATED
by bacci40 on Jun 13, 2011 1:45 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Easy, man. Calm down.
Baseball is a wonderful thing, despite everything. That’s why we all come here, isn’t it?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
ya...its all lovely
but its not hard for grant to just look at baggs before he writes something like…stewart greater than eli…or writes the same thing that has been said about sanchez for the past 6 years
giants have the best 5 man rotation in the bigs bar none…eff the phillies, atl and anyone else
i would like to see their guys grind it out with no run support…wont happen
C'mon the Phillies have an unbelievable starting staff, no matter how you spin it.
that’s what makes this Giants team so great, no matter how bad things are looking for them, and no matter how good it’s looking in Philly, I can still look at the two teams and laugh….. AT THEM.
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
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by slackersphere17 on Jun 13, 2011 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Eli’s defense has sucked. Even if it’s because he’s banged up, it hasn’t been good. And his defense is his only value. Stewart’s hasn’t sucked, so while neither can hit a lick, Stewart > Eli. Which I am sad to say.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Wow, okay.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You are quite correct . . .
. . . except for the things you are wrong about; that’s everything, but don’t be discouraged—everyone has to start somewhere, and when it’s the bottom, the only ways left are up.
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by owlcroft on Jun 13, 2011 2:27 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
even the Giants see what is wrong with considering Whiteside as an ML catcher more than once per week.
And we have you to tell us what Baggarly wrote, why should Grant?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 5:40 AM PDT up reply actions
probably
hung over.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 6:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually B-Ref has the Giants with the 2nd best WAR in the NL last year (1 WAR behind Philly)
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Also second in FanGraphs war behind the Reds (Phillies were fifth)
So, looking at both sites I would think that WAR predicted the Giants would win in the postseason.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I suspect your true hatred is reserved for reading comprehension.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
by oldjacket on Jun 13, 2011 7:38 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I LOL'd
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by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
What on Earth does Grant being or not being “down in the trenches” (I always thought it was called a dugout) have to do with him having an opinion as to whether Whiteside or Stewart is better?
by Monkeyking42 on Jun 13, 2011 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions
This is not how statistics work
Phillies have a better chance of winning does not equal Phillies won.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
According to SABRmetrics
Ellipses are worth 7 wins above normal punctuation.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Brian, is that you?
Tell Susan to restrict your browser settings so we can be spared your intellectual pollutants.
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Consider this: capital letters are not an all-or-nothing proposition.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions
YeS, aLtErNaTiNg Is ThE bEsT!!1one!
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ey grant…why dont you make another…based on past performance posts….and tell us how its impossible for vsong to be pitching as well as he is
You don’t actually read Grant, do you? Because if you did, you never would have said this.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s always amusing to read a comment about Grant’s writing that characterizes said writing so flabbergastingly inaccurately that the only possible explanation is that the person never actually read a word of what they’re talking about.
Grant never said anything – anything at all – resembling that summation. It’s really quite incredible.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve fielded both calls and e-mails from listeners who swear up-and-down I said something that I didn’t. And in some cases, yes, it turns out they were listening to a different station entirely.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions
man, 'claptrap' is a great word
Crazy ranting people should use it more often.
/added to active rotation
How am I supposed to find someone willing to go into that musty old claptrap?
Ohhhh the cabin yea
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 13, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
HEY
STOP PLAYING ALL THOSE KATY PERRY RECORDS
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Winchell's
Never liked’em. How can you not even serve donut holes?
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Wow.
There is so much wrong with this post that I don’t know where to start.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Eli?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 13, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I know I'm late and all
but I wanted to point out:
you are great on opinion pieces…but you aint a beat writer and are not down in the trenches with the players…so you dont know shit about what they are going through
sanchez has the nastiest stuff of anyone on the staff…his problem has been, and may always be…concentration
soooooo….. are you “down in the trenches with the players”? I’m assuming that’s how you know the problem is entirely within Sanchez’ head….
jus’ sayin’
by BrewsterApollo on Jun 13, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Nat Geo photo of the day
http://photography.nationalgeographic.com/photography/photos/best-pod-may-2011/#/aurora-iceland_35199_600x450.jpg
Is this
from the Green Lantern movie?
Thing A
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OMG
I just knew the Green Lantern Corps. existed in real life! I JUST KNEW IT!
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by Prussian Creole on Jun 13, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
The future home of the Athletics
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Aurora Borealis? At this time of year? At this time of day? In this part of the country? Localized entirely within your kitchen?
by Every6thDay on Jun 13, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Waking up in a strange hotel room...still have my kidneys
Good morning everyone!
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Good morning!
I had an odd Sunday evening. My allergies struck me harder than at any previous point this year. When I got home from a weekend trip, the first thing I did was cram a Benadryl down my throat and hope for some relief. The “may cause drowsiness” side of it kicked in right before the game and got worse as the evening wore on.
About forty minutes in I said the hell with it and went to bed. I fell asleep with the game still on my bedroom TV, so when I woke up around 11:20, I had a vision of a large bear-like man. I thought it was a hallucination until I saw he was wearing a black-and-orange cap and I figured out it was Wilson. I fell back asleep and when I woke up again after midnight, some entity called “the Mavs” was being celebrated. I turned off the TV and went to sleep again.
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#unnecessaryEvery6thDaytrivia
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fun fact
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by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 7:20 AM PDT up reply actions
red pill/blue pill…it’s your choice.
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the problem with it as a sleeping pill is that it wears off in four hours. Enjoy being wide awake in the middle of the night!
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
I woke up several times last night. That’s par for the course even on a normal evening, but I was surprised that even a sleep-inducing chemical still couldn’t override my body’s tendency to stupidly awaken for no reason.
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I had that same issue the last I took Benadryl
Suffered from allergies all day and then took two tablets instead of one. Could barely stay awake was knocked out.
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costco-tec (generic zyrtec) is $16 for a one-year supply
I am a fan, though I try to avoid it since I get an odd rebound issue when I go off it again.
I’ve never been happy with Benadryl when I’ve taken it. It barely even makes me sleepy, which is more than I can say for what it does to my allergies.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions
It seems to have cleared up the big allergy problems I was having yesterday, but now I’m wondering if there was a trigger I hadn’t considered before. Mom put an air freshener in my truck, and I tend not to do well with perfumes or other fragrant things. I tossed the freshener, and we’ll see if that helps.
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It may have just been the weekend trip. Even seemingly innocuous locales can do crazy things to allergies if your body finds the environment to be new or different.
And medication affects everyone just a little bit differently, so that’s good if it works for your allergies.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
It makes some people super hyper.
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by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Like how certain anti-depressants may result in suicidal thoughts or actions.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes! What is that? I think about that every time I see the TV ads.
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The hypothesis as I understand it is that the a-d’s may give someone who was so depressed he wanted to kill himself but couldn’t muster the energy just enough of a pop to do it.
I feel so bad for the doctors who have to work with the people these ads successfully target. Patients should never come to the office saying “I think I need BRAND NAME”.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I think you should be far more concerned with doctors saying, “You need BRAND NAME.”
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Yeah, but I don’t feel bad for those doctors.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe you should feel bad for their patients?
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I only have so much emotion, man.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Does it regenerate like mana in a MMORPG?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Only when I stand still, though.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Vancian emotion system
has to prepare ahead of time
Boom!
What now, English major?
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That’s really not what English majors do.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t mean anything by it. I actually meant, that was the right way to use badly there, right?
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Oh, no, taking on the task of grammarian is a noble venture. And I believe you’re right.
My ongoing mission to dispel the English major myth is independent of your correction.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
I was being facetious about that.
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Which is how you managed to avoid my usual hate-filled version.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
My mission comments used to be laced, laced with vitriol and profanity. The good ol’ days.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I was fresh off my degree at the time, though, and understandably sensitive about the topic.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, now you have piqued my interest. Howie, in your experience, what does an English major do? How would you describe your body of knowledge?
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The English major is the study of literature, not language. There is necessarily some experiential overlap, but one can go quite a long way in the study of English without ever touching or even conforming to the most remedial stylebook.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe, and I may not be exactly right here, that those are the linguists.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Eh. I feel like that doesn’t really cover it either. At least based on what my friends who were in linguistics classes seemed to say.
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My actual experience with linguistics is that you learn a lot of extremely interesting things about roots and sounds, but maybe not very much about commas and clauses.
I’m not sure what degree field comes closer, though.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
obligatory who gives a fuck about an oxford comma
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 13, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think anyone goes to college to learn how to be a grammar Nazi.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And that may be because at the university, it’s very, very common for the institution to treat composition less as a field of study and more as a minimal benchmark. Composition Proper classes are typically relegated to two-or-so-class general requirements, and are frequently staffed by grad students because, well, it’s cheaper.
It is a real problem today that seems to be getting a lot of attention from teachers and not very much from administrations. Mills is doing some interesting things, though, and hopefully I will be writing about them within the year.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
How would you describe your body of knowledge?
Nevermind your knowledge, how would you describe your body?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Soft in all the right places.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
True. Don’t you guys work at Starbucks or something?
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I don’t work at all, actually.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Just being you is hard work!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
We can all take solace in the fact that though I don’t work right now, I’ll never ever ever completely pay off the debts that currently allow me this lifestyle.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions
There is always the lottery, Howie.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
/spends $85,000 on lottery tickets over the next 25-30 years.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
“Feel” in that construction is a copulative verb, and “bad” is an adjective modifying the subject pronoun.
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Well, that solves that.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I HAVE THESE SYMPTOMS THAT THE TV TOLD ME TO HAVE AND I NEED THIS NOW!!!!!!
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by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
On a side note, drug companies weren’t allowed to mention symptoms and a drug name in the same commercial, so the would often have two commercials that ran 30 or so seconds apart.
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by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
My favorite is that certain anti-diarrheals can result in either more diarrhea or constipation.
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or
that a withdrawal effect from Ambien is sleeplessness? Take THAT, tobacco industry!
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Man, did I have an Edgar Renteria flashback yesterday! I can’t remember how many times he hit the ball and I thought it was out, only to see it die on the warning track. Nice to see him hit one of those against the Giants and not for them. That ball goes out and the game is over, and everybody is burying Jonathan Sanchez. I still want to bury him though. I wish there was another way, but the Giants really need to trade him for the best catcher they could get. Not only would it solve the catching problem, but it would solve the what to do with Zito problem, and the I don’t want to continue to pay increasing numbers to Jonathan Sanchez in arbitration problem. Jonathan Sanchez simply isn’t worth the aggravation OR the 6-8 million he’ll be pulling the next two years in arbitration.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Burying Sanchez seems like a great idea until the night a storm develops nearby. A single bolt of lightning hits the freshly-dug grave. The ground trembles and thunder rolls across the landscape. The dirt directly beneath the headstone begins to part. A pair of well-trimmed eyebrows claw their way out. The killing spree begins.
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Just LeBron being LeBron
At the end of the day, all the people that were rooting for me to fail … at the end of the day, tomorrow they have to wake up and have the same life that [they had] before they woke up today. They got the same personal problems they had today. And I’m going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things I want to do.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Yes and LeBron
you can continue to fail. Thank you.
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That is a pretty convoluted sentence considering it doesn’t say anything
Nate Schierholtz wasn't born, he was built.
…Wade what do you think…
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by say hey nation on Jun 13, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
He makes Emo Uribe look like an Optimist Prime
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
At the end of the day
Spoelstra was outcoached and LeBron has a lot of self pity
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Grant!
http://mlb.sbnation.com/2011/6/13/2220880/mlb-power-rankings-baseball-standings
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
whoa
Wily Mo Pena is still around? And not even 30 yet?
Thing A
"Correlation between inability to use the reply button and general crappiness of analysis: pretty high." -Sleepy Freud
The Combination of Willy Mays, Mo Vaughn, and Tony Pena!
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The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
He’s like the Cell of baseball, except he hasn’t come into his second form yet.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
it's like a Transformer
that doesn’t turn into anything.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Pena doesn't surprise me so much
Sean Burroughs is back in the big leagues? THE NL WEST RACE IS OVER
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
YES.
Cleveland Indians – Nick Johnson
I picture him going up to the plate in a full body cast, taking four pitches, and having the third-base coach wheel him down to first. From there, an elaborate series of pulleys and winches helps him around the bases if there’s a hit. And his on-base percentage is always between .441 and .442.
AHAHA
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This is great:
Or, you could just note that Andy Marte is now in the Pirates organization, where he is blocked at the major league level by Brandon Wood.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day CURRENT starting SS!!
RIB EYES!
jonmorosi Jon Morosi
Big week for Magglio Ordonez. He must rack up RBIs in order to have a role on this team. #Tigers
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
put me in the 4 hole so people will think i'm good!
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 13, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
the trick with RBI’s is to beat them with a stick of rosemary before putting them on the grill.
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Jun 13, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
any further word on the hobbit?
it seemed like a day-to-day groin issue. and by that i mean i completely imagined that it was.
I have a day-to-day groin issue, myself.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
the first (?) game for Fresno
he left after a couple innings, and now they’ve said vague things like “setback” and “no timetable”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yo
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:01 AM PDT reply actions
Hey.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions
MTV Raps
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Not my photo
Saw it on twitter – might even be someone here – but when i saw it all I could hear in my head was Craig and Smokey saying “Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!”
by shaggingflyballs on Jun 13, 2011 9:24 AM PDT reply actions
It looks like Sergio is thrusting his hips forward and saying
“Thanks, can you put that on for me?”
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 13, 2011 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions
That is an unflattering photo of Baer.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
“Have you been injured in an on-the-job accident? You could be in line for a large cash settlement! Call Baer and Associates today.”
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“Here at Baer and Associates we charge you nothing until you win your case! That’s 1-800-109- B-A-E-R. Call today!”
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“As you can see, I have a large number of books of equal height on the shelves behind me. That means I’m an expert litigator!”
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“Wait, you mean you want me to end this thing with them pulling a ghost costume off the villain again?”
I liked how the villain was always about two feet shorter once his/her ghost costume was pulled off.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
The Scooby Doo crossovers were where it was at. I watched Scooby Doo meets Batman and Robin so many times you don’t even know.
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re probably too young to remember “Scrappy Doo”.
On a related note, “Scrappy Doo” sucked.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Puppy Power!
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember Scrappy Doo. I'm sure I was watching reruns,
but I fucking hated that little shit.
by Every6thDay on Jun 13, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Something to brighten your day
I checked, and his canonical birthdate is December 20, 1979. That dog is long dead.
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I remember seeing a Scooby Doo and Harlem Globetrotters crossover.
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Mike Piazza did a guest spot on one of the latter-day Scooby incarnations.
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I don’t care for the new Scooby Doo’s. Fred & Daphne are a couple. And Velma & Shaggy are always talking about their relationship. I’m sorry, but Velma can do a lot better. /straightens tie
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Were the MRI results ever released?
If so, I missed them.
Back on the market.
by positiveuphemism on Jun 13, 2011 10:17 AM PDT reply actions
capsules or shoulder ball bearings?
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M-M-M-M-Mad, Mad to the Bum
BECAUSE HE IS GETTING CAIN'd
by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 13, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
the last line of that article is terrifying
Groeschner said that even if Sanchez and the Giants had decided that he should undergo surgery immediately, a couple of weeks must pass to let the injured area “calm down.”
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Your mom's a girl
...
Groeschner said that even if Sanchez and the Giants had decided that he should undergo surgery immediately, a couple of weeks must pass to let the injured area “calm down.”
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Also...
Marcus Sanders had a similar injury and the surgery ended his career.
by Every6thDay on Jun 13, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
so his shoulder is flapping?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
“Dr, will I ever dance again?”
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
“Guilty feet have got no rhythm, so yes.”
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
but his shoulder was innocent!
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Your mom's a girl
OT: Barry Zito Talks to Barry Zito (cartoon)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWpjvsch2Ro
Don’t know if its been posted. I LOL’d
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 13, 2011 10:33 AM PDT reply actions
I can’t tell how you how much more I’d get done if I didn’t have to go to work.
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I made this one day at work.
Someone at TC wondered if Freddie Freeman’s body was 85 percent legs. So I did a highly technical artist’s rendering.
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've often wondered the same thing about Justin Smoak
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Puts Natto to shame.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
There's a new sheriff in town.
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by TheLetter2 on Jun 13, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
You and your media elite access to high-end graphics software.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 13, 2011 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions
The best part of that is that Natto’s skills are hanging out at a nude beach.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Is nothing beyond desecration for you miscreants? My parents warned me about Californians.
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Everyone! Avert your eyes! Let’s go back to the wholesome, God-fearing East!
And that was our play about the founding of California. Thank you.
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2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Do fries come with that shake?
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
we had several boy scout outings there
it was never warm enough for it to be a nude beach until the 3rd or 4th time we went.
It was shocking.
Also, the naked people are never who you want.
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Your mom's a girl
The whole concept sounds hinky to me. I mean, I’m not puritanical by any stretch, but walking around starkers in public has never appealed to me.
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my niece and nephew had to be reminded yesterday by their mother that one should only get naked at someone else’s house when you have been asked directly.
those kids are natural born streakers.
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Your mom's a girl
I love how there’s a continuum of when it’s okay to be naked in public:
Infant: Yes
Toddler: Maybe, but still mostly yes
Grade school: No
High school: No
College: By all means!
After college: No
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Also, the naked people are never who you want.
Bear-hater.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
well, as I recall, there was a lot of dude-flesh of all description, but yes, I’d say that there were a healthy sampling of bears.
but these are 20+ year old memories. All I could really tell you was that there was one very attractive young lady. Just one.
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Your mom's a girl
An accurate depiction of the Presidio and the Marin Headlands! Very nice.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
SAND MASTERS
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by howtheyscored on Jun 13, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like Natto ought to do a way more detailed version of this, but substituting the bridge for the Wig Sphere.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
And creepy I’m sure.
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That base is 3D. Did you use a CAD tool?
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Saw this in a related fanpost at TC the other day
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 13, 2011 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Whoa...
Different sigs for different blogs. How do you do that?
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
HE'S A WITCH
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 13, 2011 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh I thought it was a different TheLetter2
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 13, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Your photoshopping has a distinct creepiness lately.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
“In a manner consistent with his hat he enjoyed the bear deep fried and smothered in gravy. Sources close to the incident report that Billy Bob knew he didn’t have to eat the bear in a single sitting but decided there was not enough left to take home.”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Its what I thought too when I had to correct my typo!
by posey yaknowsy on Jun 13, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Unrelated
Has anyone successfully purchased tix from TicketSquid? I’m getting no response from the seller right now.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Via NPR: Miami Herald errs, runs "Congratulations, Miami!" ad
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Next train out of Chopville:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/6/13/2221842/the-trades-that-arent-there-to-make#storyjump
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
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