Giants Non-Power Rankings: Why is this offense so bad?
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 10, 2011 1:22 PM PDT
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PrintHere's how bad the Giants' offense is: I just spent five minutes matching up the contracts of Aaron Rowand and Chone Figgins. Maybe if the Mariners kicked in a couple of million, and maybe if the Giants werOHGODWHATAMIDOING? That wouldn't solve a thing. That would be Steve Finley for Edgardo Alfonzo times a million, only twice as annoying.
There is no fixing the Giants' offense. The Giants' hitters need to get better. You don't throw a truffle on top of a haggis smoothie and call it gourmet, and you don't give away prospects to get Jose Reyes if this steaming lineup is what he's joining.
Instead, the only thing we can do is stare at the flaming wreckage and see if when we close our eyes, pretty patterns emerge on the backs of our eyelids. Oooooh. So pulsey.
The top seven things that are wrong with the Giants' offense:
7. Bruce Bochy is weird
Right now, Aaron Rowand is driving around thinking about how he can't hit right-handed pitchers anymore. He tried to place "ICANTHITRIGHTIES" illegally in a clubhouse Scrabble game as a cry for help. He can't hit right-handed pitchers. But Bochy'll run him out there whenever. Also Tejada hitting second is just strange. It's not even worth getting mad over; it's worth studying.
All told, though, a manager's decisions aren't the most important thing wrong with this offense. Not really close, either. Just worth pointing out that the dude is weird.
6. Pat Burrell isn't playing, nor is he very good when he is
The Giants got hot when they got Burrell, who was the first legitimate middle-of-the-order guy since Bonds left. Now, though, all Burrell can do is work a well-timed walk -- his slugging percentage is lower than Freddy Sanchez's. It's tough to complain that he's not playing over Nate Schierholtz. Rowand, sure, but I'll take Nate's glove to go along with the non-hitting.
5. Miguel Tejada is probably not as good as he was during his MVP season
This is an opinion formed after careful consideration. I'm thinking that Tejada is in for a slow, painful decline over the next few years.
4. Brandon Belt is hurt
I really think Bochy was going to maybe think about possibly getting around to seeing if there was a way to potentially put Belt in the lineup on a regular basis. There was a chance. But Belt's injury hosed any chance of that.
3. Buster Posey is hurt
He's not the best fit as a cleanup hitter, but he's a good hitter. If he were a left fielder, his bat would be missed. Now that it's replaced with Eli Whiteside (lower OPS than Jonathan Sanchez and Madison Bumgarner, though he just beats out Ryan Vogelsong), it's really, really missed.
2. Pablo Sandoval is hurt
I was believing. I didn't care about the hurtful comparisons between April 2010 and April 2011. I was sold. A thinner Panda was a happier Panda was a more productive Panda. Part of the reason that I was so excited about the Giants' offense before this year started was that the Giants would have Cody Ross and Posey for a full year, Belt would be up, and Panda would be awesome. Yeah.
1. Aubrey Huff is terrrrrrible
Well, I don't know if he's really this bad. Maybe that should read he's "been" terrible. But the Giants were expecting a first baseman. They've been getting Eugenio Velez and Rey Sanchez. Maybe Huff will rebound a bit, if not to 2010 heights, to 2007 competence. The Giants had better hope so because if he doesn't, he might be the least valuable player in the majors, which he was in 2009. So it's possible.
There really isn't a lot the Giants can do with a lot of these, especially with 2. through 4. The Giants just have to get Pablo and Belt back, figure out how to let Tejada down easy, and hope that guys like Huff and Burrell do what they were supposed to. You know, sounds simple when you put it like that.
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I think I’d prefer watching FBAL hit over Huff right now. At least then there would be lulz involved.
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by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 10, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
He was entertainingly unpredictable.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Dude owned Pedro Martinez
OWNED HIM!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Huff is getting BABIP’d to hell.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on Jun 10, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing that gets me about BABIP is that it doesn’t take into account the force with which the ball is put into play. When Huff isn’t made to look ridiculous swinging at the inside breaking stuff, he makes contact, but recently that contact has been more along the lines of swinging bunts toward the second baseman than anything resembling a scorching line drive. In other words, he isn’t getting BABIP’d, he is weakly grounding out, which is likely correlated with the fact that he has been trying to pull everything.
His opposite field liner last night gives me more hope that he is “figuring it out” than the 3 HR game in StL.
by MySpoonlsTooBig on Jun 10, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
that’s why you look at LD% and GB% to determine whether the BABIP is unlucky or the player is causing a low BABIP by not making good contact.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty sure there’s a bias in LD%, which hits more likely to be classified as LD than outs.
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I'm not buying it
He’s hitting weak grounders to second almost every time up. He may (probably will) improve, but right now his problem is NOT bad luck.
Lowest line drive rate of his career. Lowest walk rate of his career. Highest strikeout rate of his career.
He probably deserves a few extra singles, but he has been legitimately terrible.
by Evan on Jun 10, 2011 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Move him down the order
Until he gets another 3 HR game.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Watching Huff is frustrating
but not that frustrating.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
it’s pretty damn frustrating. he can’t do anything right, offensively or defensively.
watching him run after the pop-up last night reminded me of his time in the OF. and throwing to the wrong base when the catcher is yelling “go to first” is plain dumb.
maybe he’s putting too much pressure on himself, but if Belt wasn’t injured, I would bet Huff is still out of the lineup.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh.
I really think Bochy was going to maybe think about possibly getting around to seeing if there was a way to potentially put Belt in the lineup on a regular basis.
So, so sad. But true. None chance anymore
"For science. You monster."
Don’t forget the rocking back and forth!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY!
There was MORE than enough Tracy Morgan in the last thread. But thanks.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
actually #1 just makes me confused mostly.
by wearingmyrallythong on Jun 10, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
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2 for my family
3 for my heartache
4 for my headache
5 for my lonely
6 for my sorrow
7 for no tomorrow
8 i forget
9 for a lost god
10 everything
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Makes me long for bullet points. Or alternately: bullets.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
VOGEY
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Andres hasn’t been his 2010 self, either.
/sad trombone
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
him and Freddy have still been the two bright spots in the lineup
And Nate every few days, in the later innings, with the game on the line
by The Franchise on Jun 10, 2011 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s maintained his OBP which is good, but his power is down. He’s slugging .403, compared to .479 last year and .533 in 2009. Hopefully he can get it back but I don’t know how realistic that is.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
His OBP is .004 lower than Burrell, the team leader.
He’s 3rd on the team in SLG behind Ross and Nate.
He still owns a glove and his legs. Not the problem, especially when Ross or Nate or Burrell are not in the lineup every game.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t say he was a problem, much less THE problem. Just that he hasn’t been as good in 2011 as in 2010.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
/sad trombone
That sound is reserved for others on this squad. I hope.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Fine, make it a sad piccolo trumpet then.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Let’s just buy kazoos for the rest of them and they can make a Doodah parade around the ballpark before each game.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions
This is an EXCELLENT idea
I think Giants fans should all bring kazoos to the yard and play them whenever the team lets a pop up fall to the ground or bump into each other because the players refuse to communicate.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, Nate is 2nd on the team in SLG? Um. Wow.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
The top five are
Panda, Boss, Guapo, Nate, Stamos
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Oh, okay. Thank you. (I totally could have looked that up myself, but I’m lazy. ;-)
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
I just happened to have that page up, since I was looking up Andres’s statz.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Okay, I feel less bad for making you do the work then.
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
"Things I never thought I'd see #47783: Schwarzenegger applauding Ryan Rohlinger" -- Your mother, Nov. 3, 2010.
Yeah, don’t give me too much credit! :)
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
2nd
of qualified batters, and I didn’t put Posey because it’s depressing to see him leading things when he’s out. Cf. All Star voting (assuming he’s still ahead)
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
This is the worst I have ever felt during any season I can remember when the Giants have been in first place.
Its funny
I remember earlier in the season when the Giants had a stretch of a few games where they scored, like, MULTIPLE runs in the 1st and 2nd innings…. That seems so long ago.
"For science. You monster."
that was back when we had Pablo and Buster.
losing the middle of your order is devastating.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
The thing that makes it so depressing, for me
This was supposed to be a decent offense. I demand truth in advertising!
I LOVE YOU BASEBALL GODS!!!!!
I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
At least Rowand is a decent outfielder still
That’s all I have
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
Not particularly good nor bad = Decent
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by NuschlerFace on Jun 10, 2011 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions
so weird seeing the word "Decent" attached to Rowand.
I mean… batting stance
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by Four Point Nine Eight on Jun 10, 2011 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I think this should just be considered a lost year
I was discussing this with a friend today who asked me “so when do we trade for Reyes.”
I’m not saying stop trying and trade everyone. I just think we should go with what we have and try to make the playoffs in what is a weak NL West. It’s maddening to watch this offense everyday, however, I think the right move is to look to next year. Mortgaging prospects for 3 months of Reyes just isn’t the answer. Even if we could sign him to an extension I don’t know if I’d want to throw 100+ mil at him
Let Cody, Tejada, Affeldt and Burrell go and use that money for arbitration and/or a better RF (Beltran maybe?) and go for it next year. Tell me this lineup doesn’t excite you more than the turd sandwich out there right now.
Torres CF
Freddy 2b
Posey C
Pablo 3B
Beltran RF
Belt LF
Huff 1B
Crawford SS
Pitcher
With our staff that’s a line up that can win a championship.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Maybe lost year isn't the right way to phrase it
But you get what I’m saying
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Huff is going to have a better 2nd half of the season. He can’t possibly be this bad.
I’m more concerned about the 2nd year of his contract. Belt should be playing 1st next year and that’s not going to happen unless the Giants join the American league and Huff DHs.
He might be done
But his contract means he’s our starting 1b next year
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Burrell won’t be here next year, and I would be very surprised if Ross is. LF will belong to Belt.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on Jun 10, 2011 2:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m not so sure about all that. After a disappointment this year (they can’t possibly repeat without Posey, but could make a playoff run), I would expect that much of the team remains the same next year.
Huff will become a bench player if he continues to hit like shit, w/ Belt at 1B, opening up LF.
Burrell will come back in a PH role for next to nothing again.
Ross will be offered a 2 yr deal that will be dependent on how he finishes 2011.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Assistant Bro!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
They’re up by a game over ARI. If they surrender in the first week of June to Arizona, they should just pack up and move to Tampa.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Don't waste a single year while we have these pitchers healthy and young
We should be WIN NOW’ing for the next 2-3 years.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
every year that goes by
on Timmy/Cain/Guapo/MadBum’s contracts is lost forever.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
2011 Giants
116 ERA+
That’s a great number for single pitcher, let alone a whole staff
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Also, I think they should shoot for Reyes just to show the pitchers that they are not giving up on this season, and do intend to improve the team and make another playoff run.
At this point though, whether you shoot for Reyes or an actual catcher is debatable.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
I want both!
The catcher should be easier to attain. I’ve identified a few targets that could be available. Napoli and Ross might not be, though I want them. Hanigan or Hernandez on the Reds might be available. Paulino, perhaps, could be a decent option. Any of these are better than Whiteside.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Would a trade of Ross for Ross be feasible?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
It confuse me for at least six months until I finally realized it was a different guy.
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Tape-delayed for the West Coast
Don’t you love the other Ross?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Oh, he played for the 2004 Dodgers. Gross.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I’ve learned to look past that. He’s a good catcher, has solid offensive production and he’s a really nice guy.
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Why has he been a backup his whole career? It seems strange.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
we need both
so that lineup cards that contain the names Sanchez, Sanchez, Ross, and Ross can be submitted.
If only there were another Schierholtz, and maybe a Crawford…
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I sort of always had the feeling that 2011 would be one big victory lap.
I just didn’t think it would be this depressing.
Well duh.
Any lineup with Posey & Pablo >>> any lineup without Posey & Pablo
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
Hey, Giants are in 1st place despite all of this
Pretty fortunate. Panda, Fontenot, and Belt are just around the corner. Maybe even Tejada stops playing so much. Even Zito’s return might help in some way.
Cheer up everyone! It’s Vogelsong day and tomorrow is Timmy day!
V-T start to the weekend?
What’s not to like?
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Your two 2011 Giants All-stars!
Hopefully Bochy goes wild and puts Cain and Wilson on the team as well. I honestly can’t see any position players making it. Maybe Freddy. Posey was a shoe in before the injury but he won’t win the vote now nor be selected.
The other sad part
Is there a single person on this team that you have confidence in when they’re at the plate? I don’t have confidence in any of these guys and that’s one reason why I don’t get mad at Bochy for pinch hitting Conor instead of Burrell or Rowand.
Yeah but, John McGraw was so pleased with that decision
I'm feeling...I feel like I want to rage. Right now. - B. Wilson
I understand why he bunted
and I’m confident it was not called by Bochy. You have your four hitter coming up. You can tie and you are at home.
The Giants need to execute if they are going to win. Freddie did. He moved the runner over. Unfortunatley Huff failed.
Having said that – Sanchez has been one of their better hitters with RISP (not saying much) and I didn’t like the bunt. Not a bad play. I just would rather see him swinging away right now.
I was absolutely not in favor. I just didn’t have the faith that Freddy did that Huff could get one in the air.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
this line.
I wouldn’t have had a problem with the bunt if someone competent was actually about to hit next.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
The fact that I’d have been kosher with Huff bunting Tejaja over for Freddy speaks volume about the Bizarro Gigantes of 2011.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I would have done that.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
They smell bad
And look like a bunch of buffoons when they attempt to play baseball.
Rowand and Tehaha make up their mind to either swing or not before the pitcher even goes into his windup.
Rowand swings at lots of sliders in the dirt. To work on this problem, he spends hours upon hours in a batting cage facing nothing but not sliders in the dirt. Yet he still seems perplexed as to why all this additional work is not fixing his problem.
I have never hated a team that I love so much as I do right now.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 1:43 PM PDT reply actions
Rowand and Tehaha make up their mind to either swing or not before the pitcher even goes into his windup.
I think you could add Freddy in there, especially with runners on. Its painstakingly obvious when he is trying to move the runner over instead of just getting a good pitch to hit.
"For science. You monster."
I actually imagine Freddy & Torres smelling rather pleasant. And you know PTB has to be caked in cologne.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I’m guessing Dirty has a respectable personal care/manscaping scheme as well.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Rowand reeks like stale budweiser, sweat, pinetar and failure
WWRWD?
by SF Pete on Jun 10, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I admit that they are the most frustrating winning team I can recall, but hate is too strong of a word for me.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
seriously
I survived 2007.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
If I find out that you share SF Pete’s therapist, I’m going to need a referral.
/naps
//wakes up screaming about Jose Castillo
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I swear that Tejada swings at the third pitch in about 85%-90% of his at-bats. It’s uncanny.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
And by uncanny, I mean annoying as all fuck.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
To follow up on this, I manually looked at Tejada’s 22 PA since 6/4/11. 3 of those were over before he saw the third pitch. Of the remaining 19, he swung at the third pitch in 15 of those PA. His overall swing percent is 51, which is pretty much in line with his career. I’m pretty sure he’s decided that the third pitch is the one that he’s going to hack at.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Also
CSN totally put the hex on Vogelsong with their stupid promo for tonight’s game. They are a bunch of knuckleanuses.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 1:45 PM PDT reply actions
well
There is no fixing the Giants’ offense.
The good news is: when so many hit so little for so long, almost anything is an upgrade. Crawford probably can’t hit worse than Tejada has, and he certainly runs and fields better. If Whiteside and Stewart can’t hit their weight, there are a lot of stiffs in chest protectors and shin guards that can. Kevin Kouzmanoff is an upgrade over Tejada at 3B, and he’s looking for an apartment in Sacramento.
you don’t give away prospects to get Jose Reyes if this steaming lineup is what he’s joining.
I don’t know about Reyes per se. But the other teams in this division are lousy, and the nine noodlebats are in first place by a game as it is. If Pablo comes back to be better than Tejada, and they can make an upgrade at SS (if you don’t believe Crawford can hit as he has so far) or C (if you do), that’s worth doing and can get them into the playoffs (cue Jim Mora). Especially if Huff doesn’t bat cleanup every game and Rowand sits most of the time.
If Pablo’s wrist doesn’t “calm down”, or he can’t hit when he comes back, then they can run up the white flag, but then they need to start addressing these holes for next year, and not sitting around waiting for Buster to come back to save them. Which probably leads to finding another C anyway, so they may as well try to get someone now that will be around next year too in case Buster takes a while to get back to full speed.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
Together we're pasta!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s Manicotti Inside.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Or tortulini
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Torturelini?
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
by EliminateMe on Jun 10, 2011 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice
No Father’s Day for you.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
/searches for it
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
YES! You’re getting better at making these.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Always with the almost.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Dave Barry
“The difference between a man and a woman is, if a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and catching a falling infant, she will choose to save the infant’s life without even first considering if there are any men on base.”
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Without Posey, this lineup is so 2008.
Well… maybe not that bad.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
I think the only thing that’s saving this lineup from comparison is a healthy, hitting Freddy Sanchez. Otherwise… yuck.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
The very edge of the universe is filled with bubbly effervescence!
It is very refreshing.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 1:56 PM PDT reply actions
Both, if you believe in a multiverse theory
Just as the interaction of the boundry of our Sun’s influence on interstellar space creates the bowshock and resulting magnetic bubbles, one can also theorize that our universe creates a similar rection with whatever medium it zips around in.
I choose to call that medium Jell-O.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
She's a galaxy girl
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Never thought of it that way.
I agree with your Jell-O name.
"For science. You monster."
I've read papers that refer to it as the "inter-universal medium" or IUM
But that is so boring and unimaginative.
Jell-O is better. And there is always room for Jell-O.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
That sounds like some sort of unfortunate breakfast cereal / bathroom accident.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
When we used to serve lunch with the pre-schoolers it was high-larious when they served us peas, cuz somebody would inevitably “pea on the table” and they are just at the age where a joke like that is …well.. it’s enough to get them laughing so hard they pee their pants.
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Plus, Jell-O is IUMmy.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I was going to make an inspirational video a la tegami
but last night’s game killed my will
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Poor Will
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions
hey nerds, whats the proper subject line for
A thank you email after an interview?
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Jun 10, 2011 2:08 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
"So, WTF?"
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
definitely do this
"I give up that lead-off double, well, who cares? I'm about to get nasty." - Brian Wilson
"Peep this"
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
by ResDog on Jun 10, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
"CONFIDENTIAL BUSINESS PROPOSAL FROM PRINCE OF NIGERIA"
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
"So, WTF?"
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
While this is a reply fail
It also works as a standalone message.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Your best work, actually
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Jun 10, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Certainly while watching the Giants play defense. Or offense. Or running the bases.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I usually don't like Eric Karabel that much, but this is pretty well done
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/12194/faces-of-the-franchises-circa-2016
He’s getting more and more Grant like.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Chicago Cubs: Felix Hernandez, starting pitcher. Most people would say Starlin Castro, and I do like him, but when the Cubs trade the farm for King Felix late in 2012, he’ll become The Man. Sorry, Seattle.
Well at least he isn’t on the Yankees.
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
2. Pablo Sandoval is hurt
I was believing. I didn’t care about the hurtful comparisons between April 2010 and April 2011. I was sold. A thinner Panda was a happier Panda was a more productive Panda.
He was getting on better with his associate employee contemporaries, too.
The first six innings are overrated.
/Cody Ross throws Pablo into the crowd while striking out
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Dear Grant
Miguel Tejada is probably not as good as he was during his MVP season
If you’re going to makes a bold statement like that, you need to be able to back it up with some facts if you want to be taken seriously.
The thong is, it happened.
you don’t give away prospects to get Jose Reyes if this steaming lineup is what he’s joining.
Translation: You don’t improve an offense if your offense is bad!
Which, of course, makes no sense. We might be able to win the division as things are now. That’s how good our pitching is, and how bad our division is.
But if you want to tilt the scales a little, trade for Reyes and then trade for a catcher who can actually hit a little. There are a couple around there.
When you replace Crawford/Tejada with Reyes/Sandoval, this offense gets pretty OK. And if you replaced Whiteside with something close to league average (or at least position average) with the bat, you get better still.
Yes, this offense is bad. But we have a couple places where we could make an obvious upgrade.
Reyes SS
Torres CF
Sanchez 2B
Sandoval 3B
Huff 1B
Burrell LF
Ross RF
(better hitting catcher) C
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I don't think this offense is worth trading 18 combined years of Neal/Wheeler/Surkamp...
…for a one/two win upgrade, which is what Reyes would be for two months.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 10, 2011 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions
A one/two win upgrade, which could mean a trip to the playoffs, which could mean a world series.
Which means more money, better attendance, more fun for all of us.
You keep talking about whether or not this offense is worth upgrading.
Personally, I see it differently: It’s not that this offense is too bad to want to upgrade. It’s that this pitching staff is too good NOT to upgrade the offense.
This is a whole team. The offense and the defense don’t play in different games. We need to make ourselves better so that we have better odds of winning the world series. We can do that by making some obvious upgrades to our offense.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
IAWTC
Why give up so early? Why waste even one year of such a stellar pitching staff?
Get well soon, Buster.
There's a difference between giving up...
…and not throwing good money after bad. Hoping that the one/two win upgrade is enough to give the Giants the cushion they need for the 12.5% chance of another title isn’t good enough for me to give up Wheeler.
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 10, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
We're throwing good money after good.
This isn’t some situation where trading for a bat is based on a fever dream. This is a playoff-caliber team that has a chance to turn some glaring black holes into net positives.
Wheeler is a nice prospect. But our best chance to win is right now, with Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Bumgarner under contract and relatively cheap. Wheeler himself won’t help us win while that’s the case.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But the reason those guys are on this team is because they weren’t traded away for rentals.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
True, but the Giants were never contending while Lincecum was in the minors, and Alderson was traded for a rental while Bumgarner was in the minors.
The define "rental"
I’m confused. Is that not a guy you get midyear who does not sign with the team permanently?
Get well soon, Buster.
A rental.
A guy who you get midyear who was not signed beyond the end of the year.
Freddy fits that description exactly.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
I think it probably was, but I don’t know for sure that the market for Alderson hadn’t completely bottomed out. I still think if they’d combined Barnes and Alderson in a package they could have got something better than Garko and Sanchez though.
I think it was based on the Sanchez side of the trade.
I don’t know how valuable Alderson was, so I try not to opine about that anymore.
What the Giants acquired was an injured 2B for a small chunk of a contending season, and then needed to re-sign him to roughly market rates, which is a big waste of trade value, regardless of what was traded.
The fact that I was on the Kelly Johnson bandwagon makes it easier for me to be confident in my dislike of the Sanchez trade.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
Fair enough
But I sincerely hope that they got bad medical advice. I at least want to believe that they would not have made that deal if they had realized just how broken Sanchez was.
Wheeler, Surkamp, and Neal are also just that- prospects. Sure, the future is important, but I’m sorry, there is no way that we see another SF pitching staff like this one for another 50 years.
Do what it takes to win now.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I disagree
Surkamp could be ready to replace Sanchez next year. Wheeler for Zito the year after that… What grant means is…
Reyes for 3 months
Or
Sanchez and Zitos replacement for 6 years?
When you have Surkamp, Wheeler, and MadBum at 500k a year you can afford to give Timmy and Cain just about any amount of money. Also Timmy and Cain are still really young and without wasting tons of money on say.. re-signing Reyes.. you lock them into 4-5 years deals at the end of the season.
Also Belt, Brown and Neal could really make a push for the roster next year.
Oh my point..
You talk about us not seeing a staff like this in SF again.. I think Surkamp + Wheeler > Sanchez + Zito… So I think its going to get better.
By that time it’s very possible (perhaps even likely) that Lincecum will be gone.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
this is all true
and personally, I’m not in the “trade the farm for Reyes” camp, but I do think some kind of deal could be made to bring enough offensive help without bankrupting the future. That’s what we pay Sabes to do, and he did really well last year (or got lucky) with Ross & Burrell.
Get well soon, Buster.
I’m not sure why it is likely that Lincecum will be gone.
He doesn’t seem like the Yankees type.
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Your mom's a girl
The Mariners will probably have money.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
When are you and giantpain going to admit you're the same person
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It’s not so much that I think Reyes is going to be the right answer at the price we’d have to pay, but on the principle I totally agree. Not only is this not a good time to trade prospects for current value, it’s hard to think of a better one.
The best time to trade for someone is when
(a) You are borderline to make the playoffs
(b) You have a position where your incumbent is terrible.
If you’ve got a league average offence, trading for a 4 WAR player might mean he ends up replacing a 2 WAR player for the majority of his at bats. If, OTOH he’s replacing a 0 WAR guy, you get twice as much incremental benefit (which is the only thing we care about).
I doubt we could find a decent catcher, but if we could then this would be even more worth trading prospects for (because you can’t hide a bad catcher by rotating other players into his position, like we can do at short).
by sarf_london_niner on Jun 10, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
good post
and I think “Wheeler/Belt/Gary Brown/kitchen sink” for Reyes is a false choice.
There are any number of players less crappy than what they have, and a decent upgrade at one spot and a marginal upgrade at another needn’t required plundering the entire farm system.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
If that’s the price, that is too high. But I don’t think that’s the price. I think Wheeler plus flotsam or Surkamp plus Neal or Crawford would be enough. And I think that would be worth it.
I'm on the other side of the fence here.
But only just, and I can certainly see both sides.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
In absolute terms Wheeler for Reyes is a substantial overpay. If you think Wheeler has a 25% chance of becoming an average starter for his pre-arb years, he’s worth something like $8M in surplus value. Reyes will make around $4M after the trade deadline and probably provide 1, maybe 1.5 WAR, so he’d be worth about $2M or so of surplus value. These estimates are very rough, but the gulf is so large that you would have to have a very low opinion of Wheeler for that to be a fair trade.
But the Giants have a very good chance to make the playoffs, and if Reyes pushes them over the edge that might cover the difference right there. Also, flags fly forever and all that.
For me, the chance of playoffs is so high Reyes isn't worth it.
Just on gut feeling I agree with the 85-90% current playoff chance estimates posted elsewhere on page.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
The crappiness of the other teams in the NL West does mitigate against making a move. But this is a .500 team right now and gets worse if Vogelsong loses his magic amulet. I’m guessing those playoff odds don’t take into account the loss of Posey and only consider team stats so far. We can project that both RS and RA will be worse in the future than they have been so far.
That seems crazy-high. I still think Colorado’s team is just as good as ours, probably better with Posey out.
More like about even.
But that’s without the return of Sandoval (and Fontenot) factored in.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I guess I differ in opinion from the groug-think.
It’s a gut feeling.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
The Pirates DFA’d Pucetas.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
SABES WUZ RITE
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
YOUR PUCETAS IS JEALOUS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a mancrush on Eric Hosmer I think
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I think he represents the beginning of the end of a long waiting period for Royals fans. It’ll be interesting to see how Moustakas does now.
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His track record through each promotion in the minors suggests that he may struggle initially, but will eventually figure it out.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
And under Jeff Francoeur’s leadership, what could possibly go wrong?
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Hmmm
I don’t think Frenchy will want to mess with these guys.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
haha
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions
He won’t mess with them. I’m referring to his reputation as a “clubhouse leader.” He’s a very popular guy wherever he goes, and I was jokingly alluding to his less-than-stellar career rubbing off on the new generation.
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I gotcha. I was just really reaching for an excuse to post that pic.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Happiness is a Warm Gun.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
THE FOOL ON THE HILL
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
He’s a fool for thinking his team will help him.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Just Mad Bummed.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Posey My Dear
The Continuing Story of Miguel Tejada
I’m So Tired (Of this Offense)
Can’t Buy Miggy Love
Yesterday (TGWTWS)
All You Need is Bum
Hello, Goodbye (A tribute to Aaron Rowand’s plate approach)
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The Continuing Story of Miguel Tejada
This made me LOL
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions
While Madison Bumgarner Sadly Weeps
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We All Live in a Vat of Urine.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Without a Little Help From My Friends
"But here’s what I like most about the big leagues: the water pressure in the showers. The water pressure is outstanding. You get clean in half the time." - Brandon Belt
OT: Imptastic
This is my new wallpaper:
http://i.cdn.hbo.com/assets/images/series/game-of-thrones/episodes/1/9/baelor-941727-1920.jpg
Whoa...what a second
There is areally someone named Peter Dinklage?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s a pretty solid actor. I really liked him in The Station Agent.
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Why would the Diamondbacks trade within the division?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
The other Montero. It’s part of my orange-colored, large-font pipe-dream series. Performance art. Bad performance art.
Does it count as chasm if you misinterpret a sarcastic post in a way that makes it somewhat reasonable?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I like it
and I’m going to begin choreography on a companion piece, which I’ve given the working title of “Buddy Carlyle and Chris Dickerson for Zack Wheeler”.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Anybody going to be sitting in AAA club level today?
Wife, kid, and I are going to use our season ticket free pass to go to the club level today and enjoy the game / fireworks.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Dammit. I would’ve grabbed my free pass had I checked in on the PGT last nite instead of passing out.
Enjoy the fireworks in the Club Level!
(There’s also going to be explosions in the sky after the game, btw)
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
O like club level, ‘specially when it’s rainy, which it isn’t , but it’s still nice. Go early to check out all the display stuff (maybe there’s something new since TSFGWTWS in 2010)
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stanfurd down 3-0, top of 8
WE'RE ALL GIRLS
by son of ggf on Jun 10, 2011 2:33 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
FU!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Cal, but every time I see someone write Stanfurd or furd it makes like them slightly less
WWRWD?
In my case, no. I consider graduates of both institutions to be effete, soft handed, blouse wearing elitists. But I still think ’furd is the Calvin peeing of comments.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
/preens, checks pocket watch, adjust monocle
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
/belches, farts
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
/it’s 5 p.m. here! And with that said, I’m off to happy hour! Cya!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It’s after six here, and twenty minutes left in ATC.
/stares at clock
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Ah, so you went to a state school too! Pleased to make your acquaintance.
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I did not attend a University of any kind. I spent my college years loading trucks, going to punk clubs and destroying my liver (among other things).
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I sometimes wonder…
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You destroyed your liver?
GET THIS MAN A DIPLOMA FROM THE STATE SCHOOL OF HIS CHOOSING!!
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I was a dropout even at that.
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I went to Davis, playing the part of Michigan State in this rivalry. Playing it rather poorly, at that.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
I like Stanford and Cal. I didn’t go to either school and I root for most bay area teams. I do root for Stanford in the Big Game though. The ’furd thing just seems obnoxious though.
WWRWD?
It’s pretty stupid.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
So then it's up with the Blue and Gold, Down with the Red
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by jctGamer on Jun 10, 2011 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Has this been posted
Greedy woman grabs foul ball from little girls’ hands:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6locBvdMJtw
The thong is, it happened.
what a douche wow
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
we should live in a society that has public hangings.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd hard
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"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
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by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy shit! That woman is a terrible person.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Burrell still has a wOBA of .383
There is no reason for Nate to be playing over him right now, given our offensive ineptitude. Bork needs to try something new, get a different player in there. Give Pat the next 3 starts- what do you have to lose? I believe his defensive whiffs have been a result of him trying to do too much. So long as he understands his defensive limitations, he should be fine.
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losing the middle of your order hurts (Pablo and Posey), and Pat is a true middle-of-the-order hitter that I’m comfortable with. This team displays absolutely no power these days, either.
I pray that Burrell is playing today- when he gets hot, he can carry a team. Only 3 more games, only 3 more games, only 3 more games…. maybe 1 more game if we get shutout again tonight.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
n00b?
Aug 2010 v.s. Jan 2011.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
LOL U
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Woah, you guys joined on the same day.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I think that’s actually the SBN switchover date.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought that too
but some people show earlier. Odd.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
must have been earlier for the mods
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
DAMN THEM!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions
They think they are so great!
REVOLUTION!!!!!
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TO THE BARRICADES!!!!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to look at each individual blog a person belongs to. The date at the top is the SBN switch over date. The date on each blog is when they actually joined. Look for a UID#
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I can’t figure out that UID thing though. How is Brisbee not number 1?
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It was still a conglomeration of blogs back before “the change”. The switch over more refers to a rollout of a new user interface. It used to be Diaries and re: all over the place. The SBN overlords and folks from other blogs probably have those ridiculously low UID#s
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My guess would be it’s the people on the technical side of things who signed up first when they created the infrastructure for the site (and I think Markos Mouliasdsfadjdsaflkos had a really low one? I remember hearing that) before Grant did anything but say “Yes, I will write your Giants blog.”
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So you joined recently, then?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I can’t see my own UID, lame.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL NOOB
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
We should all post our UIDs now to make fun of the people who don’t have them.
Mine is 1235!
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1784!!??! I CALL SHENANIGANS
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314
FOR GOD SO LOVED THE GIANTS THAT HE GAVE THEM HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN CATCHER.
THEN HE SACRIFICED HIM BECAUSE FUCK THE GIANTS.
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by groug on Jun 10, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm 405
Not the 405, mind you, cause that would be an LA thing.
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I bet I don't have one
but my twitter number is below 1,000,000
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions
TREAT ME LIKE A NUMBER!!!!
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I want my barcode.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
camwoody actually joined two and a half years before JD.
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Back in my day, we had four memes. AND WE TREASURED THEM!
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and we had to deal with prospects like Cody Ransom and Tony Torcato. We didn’t have these fancy Belts or Poseys.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
holy fuck the 1990 draft
15, Adam Hyzdu (before Jeromy Burnitz)
19, Eric Christopherson (before Mike Mussina)
33, Marcus Jensen (before Bob Wickman)
61, Jose Prado (before ..)
OK, 1990 sucked, but still. Adam Hyzdu and Eric Christopherson and Marcus Jensen. Yikes.
Those were lean years
we all had to tighten our belts. But it made us stronger. Not like these kids today with their TGWTWS and Kung Fu Panda flim flam. We had Kurt Ainsworth and we were happy Damnit!
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by camwoody on Jun 10, 2011 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What happened to Marcus Sanders?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Back to back .764 OPS seasons.
Of course that was two years ago and for a Canadian team in the Independent League.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
Correction
the team was in New Jersey. So yeah… he has that going for him. Which is nice.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
not saying that you are not a great Giants fan by the way. Just thought it was funny that you were calling him a n00b.
For the thirteen time in 3 or one evers, I found myself toothlessly thinking about Manny Ramirez.
nah, you could definetely see him trying so hard to set himself up in an attempt to make perfect throws home that he was missing the ball. The pressure was on him defensively because of what Nate had been doing.
Give Pat steady playing time, and he won’t be screwing up nearly as much.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Burrell still has a wOBA of .383
How? I guess I don’t understand the stat like I thought. His OBP is .346, and his slugging is .381. In what realm of adjustment fuckery is that the equivalent of a .383 OBP hitter?
by Grant Brisbee on Jun 10, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
He has a .331 wOBA, not sure where .383 is coming from
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by Grant Brisbee on Jun 10, 2011 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Also
The idea behind wOBA isn’t that it’s equivalent to an .XXX OBP, just that it’s on the familiar scale of OBP so you can approximately tell what is good and bad at a glance.
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Sort by wOBA. You’ll see that Miguel Tejada is worse than Eli Whiteside. Think about that.
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Yeah .331 wOBA
But his wRC+ is 107, so he’s still a bit above average in this low run scoring environment
by The Franchise on Jun 10, 2011 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
i think what he’s trying to say is that if Burrell was better and not trying so hard, that the number would be .383
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I really do think that Pat was trying too hard when he saw his job slipping to the likes of Nate and Rownads.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
someone said his wOBA was .383 the other day, my fault for not double-checking the stats.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions
It was his wOBA vs Righties
Now it’s plummeted to .380. Thank god we can start Rowand in those matchups instead.
seriously… Pat tends to hit RHP much better it seems. Maybe it’s just how his swing is built to handle stuff on the inner half of the plate.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Except for the fact that Nate has been one of the Giants best position players this year
you are right. Burrell continues to draw the love of this board for one reason: he can draw a walk. big whoop. Its not his defensive whiffs that bother me. I expect htose from him. Its the offensive whiffs. Particularly with RISP. Oh i forgot – not sustainable, RBI’s don’t matter blah blah blah.
The argument that Burrell’s offensive filures this year are due to his limited playing time don’t hold water. he started damn near every game for the first 40 and was abysmal (except for the fact that he draws walks).
If Burrell was Billy North I’d say fine. But hs’e not. He’s a guy that is supposed to drive in runs. That is his job.
If the issue is Rowand or Burrell that is easy – Rowand shouldn’t be playing over anyone. But as between Nate and Burrell right now, its Nate. Easily.
Nate vs. Pat
Nate:
.307 wOBA
90 wRC+
0.3 fWAR
Pat
.331 wOBA
107 wRC+
0.4 fWAR
by The Franchise on Jun 10, 2011 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't care what the
wOBA wRC+ fWAR say, Nate has been the much better player this year.
LOL
Is that an argument? Are you (or for that matter anyone else out there) going to suggest Burrell has had a better year this year than Nate?
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No, but saying, “I don’t care what [some reasonable metric says], [assertion contrary to said reasonable metric with no reasoning behind it]” isn’t either
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I've given my reasoning on Burrell a ton of times
But will be happy to do it again. He hit 4th or 5th almost every day for the first 40 games. He hit about .150 with RISP. He hasn’t homered since about the 10th game of the season. His job is to hit with power and drive in runs.
He’s walked a lot. A good thing. But not enough for a guy that is supposed to deliver power. Put another way – if burrell doesnt deliver power, he is not particularly valuable. He can’t run and he can’t field.
The metrics fall apart at times. Just like all stats do. Which is why I made the “i don’t care comment”
Do you actually think Pat’s a different batter with RISP vs. runner on 1st vs. bases empty?
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Well ...
Historically – don’t know. I doubt it but I havent seen his career splits.
Going forward – don’t know.
So far this year – he has performed differently in such situations. Is there any real argument about that?
I am not using this in any way shape or form as a predictor. I dont’ think that his next at bat (or next 35) with RISP are in any way predicted by his last 35. I’m just suggsting that RISP is a tool in analysing TO DATE whether he is having a productive year.
Pat has been better in the aggregate
Thought to be fair, Nate has had some VERY timely hits and key defensive plays to save games. I didn’t look up their WPAs, but it wouldn’t surprise me if Nate’s is higher. Though Pat has had some clutch BBs that have led to pinch-running appearances for Ford/Burris late in games.
by The Franchise on Jun 10, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions
You have to be kidding me
HOW? Take out the walks. Is there anything else?
Why would you take out the walks?
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I suspect it’s because the main case for his presence in the lineup is ‘middle of the order bat’.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
No the main argument
Pat is supposed to be a power guy. He hasn’t been.
The argument that “a walk is as good as a hit” should end after your first year in little league.
He failed time and time and time again with RISP. (.152). He hasn’t hit for any power .381 slg pct .
/gets out of lexluth’s line
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:19 PM PDT up reply actions
I love Nate and actually think he’s more fun to watch than Pat, but I just cannot take anyone who says this seriously:
The argument that "a walk is as good as a hit" should end after your first year in little league.
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Yes. Although, to be fair, a walk is in fact slightly less valuable than a hit. Still, valuable.
However I do think that if you are going to have Pat’s glove in the field he needs to hit for some power.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
If you factor in that the pitcher knows you will take a walk because you have been, you get more strikes in your future at bats.
Maybe you have that factored in when saying it’s slightly less valuable. I’d probably lean the other way and say a walk in the long run is slightly more valuable.
A walk can’t score a runner from second. A hit can. Ergo, a hit is more valuable.
That’s not to say walks aren’t valuable (they are).
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
A walk can set up a strike down the middle in your next at bat that you drive for a HR.
I think over the course of a season, the guys that can take more walks, get better pitches to hit with power in future at bats.
I don’t know the real answer, I’m just saying it’s not obvious that a hit is (even slightly) better than a walk over the course of a season/career.
completely agree
I love walks just like the rest of you. I am just trying to point out that not all walks are created equal.
Well then
What is more “valuable” – a walk with two outs and runners on second and third or a twenty two hop single in the same situation that drives in two runs?
Is there a difference in value between a leadoff walk from a Darren Ford then a two out walk from a Pat Burrell?
Pat’s extra walk per game = Nate’s extra out per game he makes in the outfield. Both of them are “meh” to me and below average. I don’t really care which one they start.
However, you can’t just “take out the walks” unless you take out one of Nate’s attributes.
Nate’s extra out per game he makes in the outfield.
I don’t think Nate actually does this.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
He doesn’t. It just seems like he does because we remember his plays more than Pat’s walks.
Actually, Pat walked in the Sunday game vs the Rockies, GW run on base.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll suggest this!
I don’t care if the math has said that 3 is bigger than 2!
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Ok gamer
or anyone else out there, tell me – besides walking what has Burrell done well this year?
When your done with that, tell me what is more important for a number 4/5 hitter – walks or driving in runs. Not what is more sustainable or predicatable etc etc etc. What is more IMPORTANT. Cause I’m pretty certain that Bumgarner would have been much happier last night with a guy dri\ving in a run than with a guy walking.
As for why Nate’s been better – I can think of at least 3 games where he has made crucial defensive players or gotten key hits. Two of which saved games directly (the catch against the dodgers and the two out single in the 9th against the Nats)
I don't have time to fully analyze this because I'm heading out of office to pickup my daughter and going to the game
Here are the main bullet points
You can’t say : “besides walking what has Burrell done well this year?” Walking is a skill. It is the main value of Burrell as a player. You can’t just randomly discount it.
The single most important attribute for a player is not to “drive in runs”. It is to “not make an out.” Pat Burrell is the third best player on the Giants at NOT making an out per at bat. That has value. Serious value. Nate Schierholtz has a .297 OBP. That means 70.3% of the time he comes to the plate, he makes at least one out.
As for stats not telling the whole story, you are partially correct. What wOBA does not adjust for is the base running ability of Nate Schierholtz. That is of value. Not a lot of value, but it is of value. It’s just at this juncture in time, the Giants needs more “not outs”.
as for “driving in runs” or “hit with RISP.” I’ll be nice here and just say that it is nearly 100% luck based, and any conclusion being drawn with 60 games in the books is entirely small sample sized and subject to large regression.
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This
Burrell makes less outs than Nate.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions
He also gives up more outs than Nate.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s the trade-off for better offense, usually.
If we were a team that still had Posey, Sandoval and Belt, I’d be in favor of Nate over Burrell. At this point, I’ll take all the offense I can get and pray Pat doesn’t fuck up.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Enjoy the game - hope its better than the two I went to this week!
Walking is not Burrell’s main value. Power is.
Who said the single most impt atrtribute is to “drive in runs”. I didn’t. i said its to help your team score runs.
As for 100% luck based – we disagree on that. Having said that – I have not been using it as either a “conclusion” or a future predictor. I have been using it to suggest Pat has not been effective this year.
As for the stats nerds versus not sabermetric stuff – my point is this: I go to this board full wellknowing the stats bent. I appreciate it and I enjoy it. I also think that many of you are as narrow minded in your sabermetric view of the baseball world as you accuse us old foggies of being when we resort to either "traditional ’ stats or what we see watching these guys everyday.
All are tools.
Your original statement is "nate has been the much better player this year"
If you would have said Nate deserve some starts over Burrell because of different skillsets he brings, no one will argue with you.
Your blanket statement, in addition to your comment “i don’t care what these stats say”, sways far more in the narrow mindedness end of the spectrum than my view of baseball.
And I am the one that made a video for Nate Schierholtz. Think about that.
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And i stick by it
nate has been the better player this year. the “i dont care what the stats line” was unfortunate. Consider it retracted. But the reality is, Nate has outperformed Burrell “stat wise” offensively in just about every cateogry. Including – Ave, doubles, Slg pct (an area Pat should beat Nate easily), strike outs, hitting with RISP. Nate has one less HR in 4 less official at-bats.
defensively its not close. Plus Nate has better speed.
Burrell has out walked him I grant you that.
It’s just at this juncture in time, the Giants needs more "not outs".
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 3:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Nate’s lack of anything resembling taking walks is very concerning. Highly average-dependent player, which for some reason really, really, really turns me off him. He swings at everything, sure he gets hits out of it, but… dude has poor pitch recognition.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand he doesn't walk
Not my point. My point was who has been better SO FAR THIS YEAR. I can’t see an argument for Burrell. And given that Nate has made some huge plays so far this season, he deserves to be in the lineup.
I actually think his pitch recognition has improved. He does not seem to be chasing the back foot slider as much. But I agree that he should walk more.
Nate has been very "clutch"
But statistically, Burrell has been better
by The Franchise on Jun 10, 2011 3:08 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s not chasing the backfoot slider because they’re not throwing it lately. Soon as it gets exposed, down he’ll go again.
Why not just start Pat, give him 2-3 ABs, then sub in Nate? Burrell, statistically, has been the better player. Just because he hasn’t gotten “clutch” hits doesn’t mean he hasn’t been less valuable. It’s just less noticeable.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh.
What does that have to do with who has been better so far this year? Burrell "statistically: has been the better player in one flipping category – WALKS. Nothing else. He ain’t Billy North.
Yes, but that’s a seriously important category. You can’t dismiss it just because you don’t like it.
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I dont dismiss it.
I just dont’ give it the same weight with every player.
The whole point of hitting is not to make outs
Pat Burrell makes less outs than Nate Schierholtz
by The Franchise on Jun 10, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Bullsh*t
The whole point of hitting is helping your team score runs. Different players have different roles.
Here's how this is going to go so I'll save everyone the time
I’m going to tell you no matter what “role” a player has, there is only one commodity in baseball and that is outs. Every team has 27 outs, 3 outs per inning. When the 3 outs are made all offensive progress is erased and teams start over, therefore above all else, the player has to not make outs. It’s the most important attribute as a hitter.
You’re going to say HR /RBI wins games, not walks.
I’m going to tell you no, it is explained in THE BOOK by Tangotiger, or read Bill James publications.
You’re going to say LOL NERDS stats don’t win games.
So let’s just get there already.
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by jctGamer on Jun 10, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec'd
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too!
Math is hard.
This is sensible.
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
This is brilliant
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
I apologize for the last post above, jumping to conclusions to the Nth degree
I’m going to copy / paste something from Joe Posnanski, which brilliantly summarizes what I am trying to convey here.
As it turned out, it was going to Theo Epstein explaining something that is probably the No. 4 theme on this blog — why RBIs are no way to evaluate baseball players.
"Sometimes you get stuck in the world of evaluating players through home runs and RBIs. And it’s not the way that I think most clubs do it these days. And if you look at underlying performance of a lot of our guys, they bring more to the table than just the counting stats. And J.D.’s certainly having another good year for us. He’s up around a .900 OPS right now, and he’s playing really good defense in right field, he deserves an awful lot of credit for that, he’s been pretty darned good for the three years that he’s been here if you look at the underlying performance."
The radio guys here protest a little … they point out that while Drew’s OPS is usually good, they aren’t sure that it has led to PRODUCTION — namely runs scored and RBIs. And this is when Theo really takes over. I bold out a few of my favorite thoughts in this wonderful little lesson:
"That’s not true. With RBIs, yes. Based on his skill set, he’s always going to have underwhelming RBI totals. I couldn’t care less. When you’re putting together a winning team, that honestly doesn’t matter. When you have a player who takes a ton of walks, who doesn’t put the ball in play at an above average rate, and is a certain type of hitter, he’s not going to drive in a lot of runs. Runs scored, you couldn’t be more wrong. If you look at a rate basis, J.D. scores a ton of runs.
"And the reason he scores a ton of runs is because he does the single most important thing you can do in baseball as an offensive player. And that’s NOT MAKE OUTS. He doesn’t make outs. He’s always among our team leaders in on-base percentage, usually among the league leaders in on-base percentage. And he’s a really good base runner. So when he doesn’t make outs, and he gets himself on base, he scores runs — and he has some good hitters hitting behind him. Look at his runs scored on a rate basis with the Red Sox or throughout his career. It’s outstanding.
"You guys can talk about RBIs if you want, I just … we ignore them in the front office … and I think we’ve built some pretty good offensive clubs. If you want to talk about RBIs at all, talk about it as a percentage of opportunity but it’s just simply not a way or something we use to evaluate offensive players."
I have talked many times here about a fan’s desperate wish — desperate wish — to have the team see the game the way the fan sees it. I don’t mean specifics — fire the coach, bench the QB, go for it on fourth down and so on. I mean see it in the macro, in a larger way. If I’m a basketball fan, I would love a team that believes in pushing the ball up the floor. If I’m a football fan, I would love a team that believes in pressuring the quarterback and working the middle of the field. If I’m a baseball fan, I would just love to know that my GM really and truly believes that one thing — that it’s really, really, really important for a baseball player to not make outs.
That seems so simple to me, so utterly basic, so law of gravity. But I know that there are GMs in the league — more than you would ever believe — and lots of other people in and around baseball who do not believe this. It isn’t exactly that they are opposed to players who get on base. They certainly want guys to get on base. No, it is that they believe that OBP — the ability to not make outs — falls behind other more mystical talents such as the ability drive in runners in clutch situations or be a leader in the clubhouse or play the game the right way or whatever. I’m not saying these more mystical skills do not exist. Maybe they do. But I know that if you give me a baseball team of people who do not make outs, that team will score a lot of runs. A team of guys who play the game the right way will score a lot of runs too — assuming that "playing the game the right way" includes not making outs.
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I have not once used RBI's to evaluate Pat this year.
RISP. different. Nor am i suggestingit means that he’ll stay at .150 in RISP the rest of the year. I’ve been responding to who has been better so far this year – Nate or Pat.
falls behind other more mystical talents such as the ability drive in runners in clutch situations or be a leader in the clubhouse or play the game the right way or whatever.
Hitting in RISP position, or, “clutch”, is not a skill. It is luck.
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Hitting with RISP is a fact
Again – if I were making that had anything to do with projections etc, then you wuold have a point. I don’t agree with it – as some hit better in clutch situations then others.
but when I’m using RISP figures simply to talk about success this year, its a different animal. One who is hitting .150 in those situations with 33 at bats has not been successful. That is all I’m saying.
it is a fact
but it doesn’t mean very much
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It means everything
if a team doesnt hit with risp they dont score runs. Period.
RISP stats don’t tell you much that’s useful going forward.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand that
And I’m not using it in that vein. I’m looking at the season to date. That is it. Nothing more.
In the risk of jumping into this crapfest
You keep saying this, but what’s the point? You are talking about who should play going forward. Therefore you are talking about predicting who will be better. Right? Am I missing something?
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My primary point is that Nate has had the better year TO DATE. Now if you are asking who should get the bulk of the time going forward, I’d start now with Ross, Torres and Nate being the main three with Burrell being the fourth. He’d still get plenty of time. If and when he gets hot, he plays more.
I know the hot hand approach is bothersome. But when you are delaing as here with a bunch of average flawed offensive players, it makes a little mroe sense. Its not as if they are benching Adrian Gonzlaes to get some AB’s for the backup.
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So did this mean nothing, then?
If the issue is Rowand or Burrell that is easy – Rowand shouldn’t be playing over anyone. But as between Nate and Burrell right now, its Nate. Easily
This seems to imply that you think Schierholtz should be starting over Burrell. This would be present and future, not past.
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As a team, the difference between all situations and RISP situations is .007 points of average and .020 points of OBP.
The problem is that the team can’t hit, not that the team can’t hit with runners in scoring position.
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This baseball thing is pretty cool
Again different issue
Divorce yourself for a moment from the predictive quality etc. My point is a simple one – hitting with RISP is crucial. I’m not saying it\s predictive, sustainable or anything else. Its just impt for a team to be able to hit with men in scoring position. I fail to see how that can be in any way "controversial>’
And yes – the Giants have other problems. Not the least of which is that they have such a shitty OBP. Thus, they not only don’t hit well with RISP. They don’t get enought chances.
Put another way – they stink offensively. :(
Okay?
I’m saying the difference between RISP ABs and all other ABs isn’t really big enough to have a huge difference. If the Giants had four more hits, they would have a higher RISP average than regular average and they would still have a terrible offense.
I’m not debating anything you’re saying other than its relevance to this team.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
This baseball thing is pretty cool
But how much value does a measure like BA with RISP have
if it isn’t predictive? It just tells us what happened. we should not use it to divvy out playing time because we can’t count on the circumstances that create those stats occuring with any regularity, especially when we are talking about the San Francisco Giants without Pablo Sandoval, Buster Posey, the 2010 version of Aubry Huff and Freddy Sanchez.
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Lets look at what Epstein is saying
1. Drew is productive cause he has a high OBP and he scores a ton of runs. He has good speed etc. here is the key: ""And the reason he scores a ton of runs is because he does the single most important thing you can do in baseball as an offensive player. And that’s NOT MAKE OUTS. He doesn’t make outs. He’s always among our team leaders in on-base percentage, usually among the league leaders in on-base percentage. And he’s a really good base runner. So when he doesn’t make outs, and he gets himself on base, he scores runs — and he has some good hitters hitting behind him"
Epstein, however, also says this: You guys can talk about RBIs if you want, I just … we ignore them in the front office … and I think we’ve built some pretty good offensive clubs. If you want to talk about RBIs at all, talk about it as a percentage of opportunity but it’s just simply not a way or something we use to evaluate offensive players."
Percentage of opportunity is hitting with RISP. That is what I’ve been harping on. I’ve never once used Burrell’s RBI total (anemic as it is) as a bulletpoint.
Finally, another key – Drew has “good hitters behind him.” In other words, his job is more to SET the table. Others have the job of clearing it.
On this team, Burrell’s biggest job is to clear the table. Cause he doesn’t have the hitters behind him that the Sox do. Thus, Burrell’s walks aren’t as valuable to the Giants as Drew’s are to the Sox.
Having said all this – I’d play Burrell over Rowand in a heart beat. I hope he gets hot – starts showing the power that he has historically shown and starts hitting well in RISP situations.
Not once have I said that Pat doesn’t have a role on this team or that he can’t “find his stroke” and be valuable. he’s one of the few guys they have that can hit the ball out of the park and his patience is a virute that few others on this team have.
I’ll stop now and let you all blast away.
Go Giants.
But Pat's walks result in runs.
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RBI’s don’t matter blah blah blah.
lol
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 2:49 PM PDT reply actions
IONO
I’m still figuring out why Burrell and Schierholtz, who don’t play the same position, can’t be in the lineup at the same time.
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by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions
TWo games this week
I went to Tuesday and Thursday’s games. First games I’ve gone to this year. 1 run in 18 innings. Man can I pick em!
Mine was Sunday’s
=)
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I’ve gone to two games this year. The first one the Giants were shutout. The second one Vogelsong almost threw a perfect game.
Yeah, well....
THEY KEPT DOING THE WAVE!!!!
at least I didn’t have to pop any beachballs.
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Anyone else from the McCoven going to Chicago for a game?
I’m heading to the tuesday afternoon game that was rained out before.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:00 PM PDT reply actions
Speckops and I were talking about that. I’ll see what he thinks.
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A pair of post-docs from my lab are flying back to Germany that day, so we’re going to take in the Tuesday afternoon game and then I’m driving them to O’Hare. I’m tempted to stay longer though. You have a feeling for which game you want to go to?
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I’m sorry! I wouldn’t be totally averse to driving back up there/playing hooky. It was too good an opportunity to pass up since they were looking for a ride up to the airport anyway, so I struck while the Fe was hot. They’re really cool people, and one of my other labmates is tagging along as well. I should be in the GDT/PGT this weekend, so if you see me, let me know.
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There’s nothing to apologize for. I’m just trying to figure out how I could pull that off without burning vacation days.
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Look up that old “meet me in Chicago” thread and see who else was there that weekend, Goofus was and quite a few others.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Hmmm lemme think, sometimes a Google search is more effective than using the SBN search function though… I did find this: http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/5/12/2167774/mcc-meet-up-at-wrigley-field-this-sunday-morning not sure if that’s the right one or not have a look see…
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you have tickets?
I’ve got some really good seats to that game that I can’t use. I can cut you a deal
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLineup
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Manny B leading off. #sfgiants lineup tonight: Burriss ss Tejada 3B Sanchez 2B Ross rf Burrell lf Huff 1b Rowand cf Stewart c Vogelsong rhp
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
awesome. I will do this in the future
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
FUCKING TEHAHA
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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Two hits last night
It assures us of two more weeks of ground outs and weak fly outs.
Fuck who wants my tickets
This torture is not worth fireworks after the game
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
There won’t be any fireworks from out batting line.
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Out batting lineup
They are good at that aren’t they.
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In play, (out)
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by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL
There is no freaking way the Giants are going to win tonight.
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I would think when you finally start Burrell
you would make sure Torres is in center. Torres can hide a lot of the sins of left field.
I’m guessing Torres is 1 for 5 against this pitcher and Rowand is 1 for 3. Bochy is playing the numbers.
/sobs
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Burriss, Tejada, Rowand, Stewart, Huff, pitcher.
2/3 of our lineup is a black hole.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
is the Reds SP a lefty? Otherwise, it makes absolutely zero sense to start Rownads.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
oh, then I’m not so upset. Rownads hits very well off leftys.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
good bye forever, Crawdad
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by TimLaser and MattyC on Jun 10, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Hahah! Well played.
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Does this mean that ‘tenure the Professor’ will become the rallying cry for Crawford supporters?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
PROMOTE HIM TO ASSOCIATE!
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I think it’s just a routine day off. He’s been batting against leftys lately, and has played every game since the MIL series I believe
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions
That is just terrible
Well, at least my Friday night just opened up.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
/seizure
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:20 PM PDT up reply actions
/vomits
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Please make your subject line something easier to click. I had a hard time hitting that little target while I was seizing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Is the he Charlie Sheen?
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well played.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Male donkeys do not approve of this line up!
(they’d probably go for a BJ though.)
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Order of the lineup based purely on batting average
Burriss, Sanchez, Ross, Rowand, Vogelsong, Burrell, Huff, Tejada, Stewart.
…
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Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
by mymclife on Jun 10, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I want to cry, but gotta laugh. LOLineup.
by b00f_spl00ge on Jun 10, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
mymclife for manager
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by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Worst line up of the year?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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I’m going to puke. Why are you sending out white flag lineups when we have a good 5th starter?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Now we’re going to score 10 runs.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions
In that case
break out the extra soft tp.
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I think this might be the worst Giants lineup I’ve ever seen. Rowand, Tejada, Burriss, and Stewart in the same lineup is just unbelievable.
Well, Huff IS awful and I can’t stand watching him hit right now, but at least there’s a reason he’s in there, and it’s certainly no surprise.
Is it just me, or do others think that writing the players names on little slips of paper, putting them in a paper bag and letting stoned, brain-dead monkeys pick the names to determine the lineup would be every bit as effective as having Bochy do it?
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-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant forgot the the #8 thing wrong with the Giants lineup:
NEEDZ MOAR BURRISS!
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Can we get a first baseman’s glove on Burrell? He played first his rookie year, and putting him there would get his OBP in the lineup, minimize his clank, and give Huff time off.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah, I was just thinking Huff could really use a day off, except that means Burriss at first. Maybe give Gillaspie a look there…but he’s another lefty hitter.
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it certainly avoids
that gigantic debate above.
And if the answer is “Burrell is a terrible 1st baseman”, I’m not sure what relevance this has to this team whether or not Huff is at 1B.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
O/U 0.5 runs for the Giants tonight?
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:12 PM PDT reply actions
U
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
NO U
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Under. We’re going to be shutout.
Do they give ties in baseball? I think that’s our only chance. That or a rainout.
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We can try winning 0 to -1
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by Montreal Giants Fan on Jun 10, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Trade to help the Giants offense
Catcher Ramon Hernandez for Heath Hembree? Think your GM would do that?
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
Hanigan for Hembree?
Sure thing….maybe I’ll start a rumor somewhere about it…:)
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
by cesarhernandez on Jun 10, 2011 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I sure as hell hope he wouldn’t.
Quietly hoping Brandon Belt develops into John Olerud, circa 1993.
by AndOnTheDrums... on Jun 10, 2011 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
no thanks
how about Mota for Paul Janish?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Mota's been pretty shaky, I think I would pass
But Janish would fit right in with the Giants offense. Heck of a defender, but has a noodle bat. I want the Reds to give Zach Cozart a shot at SS.
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
by cesarhernandez on Jun 10, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
LF, SS, 3B
Could always decent pitching
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by cesarhernandez on Jun 10, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
ok
Mota AND Rowand for Brandon Phillips
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
What a deal!
Gotta take Renteria back in it though.
"There's only one god, and his name is Death. And what do we say to Death? Not today!" --- Syrio Forel, Game of Thrones
by cesarhernandez on Jun 10, 2011 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Johnny Bench or GTFO
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Ok guys
given that you must rest Torres, Crawford and Whitside, three players that have started a ton of games recently, how would you construct this lineup and/or who would you have played?
You all should be fucking thankful that Rownads isn’t leading off.
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I would be happier with a Burrell/Ross/Schierholtz outfield, certainly.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Rownads hits .370 off lefties with a SLG of over .550. He’s actually the better option than Nate.
Now, when a RHP relief pitcher comes into the game, best to get Rownads out of there fast as possible.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I never said he would. “What’s best” and “what he’ll do” and two completely different things.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Be smart enough to realize that they will all need time off and arrange their playing time so their days off don’t all fall on the same day?
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considering how weak the lineup already is, resting one of them per day is more damaging than just resting them all on one day vs a LHP when you have a bunch of RHBs that hit lefties well.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
like I said above, with a LHP on the mound, you have capable players to fill in.
we don’t see many lefties, so this is an opportune time to rest the guys who don’t hit LHP well, or at least, play the guys who hit LHP better than others.
I don’t like this anymore than you guys, but it could be worse. Bork planned this one out well.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL @ "capable players"
That’s one thing this team has few of, and I don’t see a lot of them in the line-up today.
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Lets face it folks
you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit. There is not a whole lot anyone can do with this roster.
I refuse to stoop so low that I am thankful that Scott isn’t leadoff. This lineup is Bunt, GIDP, single, single, BB, K, K, K, Bloop. Zero runs tonight, G’s strand 6
I’m thankful. Very thankful.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
hey nerbs
like, the real nerbs
ever run into an ftp process that dropped out a line of text? It seems unlikely to me that it would not give any error, and would only drop out complete lines, never a partial line, but that’s not exactly my baliwick.
I think someone is either not telling the truth. Or they are incompetent.
Actually, I’m pretty sure it is both.
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Your mom's a girl
Someone is lying to you.
Doublecheck by parsing the file for non-ascii characters.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
if I follow
so, if it broke, I am likely to see non-ascii chars in there?
my ask to have a record count recorded post run/pre transmission, to make sure that we have the same count as created….you’d think I was asking for the moon.
I think they would rather not take responsibility for their crappy sql.
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I hate sqlers.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions
You have it
And asking for a record count post-transmission is the right course of action. I doubt you end up finding any bad characters in your file. Typically that type of problem causes the whole thing to crap out rather than missing records in an otherwise complete file.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions
this had been my experience as well, that it would just crap out, and usually throw an error, somewhere, even if you didn’t catch it.
these people are great…today, they told us “the criteria for that query have not changed in 2 years, since the process started.” Which was shocking to us, cause they 2 months ago they made a change, at our request, which changed the criteria for that query.
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So on the positive/negative luck scale
Where do we stand? On the one hand we’ve had all of these injuries, including to the three of the most important offensive weapons on the team.
On the other hand, Ryan Vogelsong has had one of the most unlikely breakout seasons so far. Do they cancel each other out?
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I promise that my adopted Giant, one Zach Wheeler, will not shoot anybody.
So I'm in love with this photo
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Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
I came here just to post this,
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 3:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Official Sharks site. They just did a story on what Clowe was up to over the summer, and since he’s a huge Giants fan (he’s going to the game tonight), they decided to include the picture. Sharks apparently filmed a video congratulating the Giants after they won the World Series.
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Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
It is
Dude has good taste.
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Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
Coach was at the Giants game the other night, which was kinda neat cuz it was a SCP game night. I guess Mr. Mclellan has a dvr.
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It could also be that it hurt too much to watch – I know some of the players have said as much.
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Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
See you all at the Park!
(we gonna lose :( )
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Who the hell makes an alphabet chart for children with “C for chair” and “s for shoe”?
C ≠ /tʃ/ and /s/ doesn’t go shhhhh. Dumbasses.
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by Merope on Jun 10, 2011 3:42 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for IPA
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Rec’d for Extra Special Bitter
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
It just really bugs me that the people that come up with this shit for little kids don’t understand how little kids think. I’m sick to death of explaining the open court alphabet to my kids… a nifty little alphabet chart where:
h=hound to which my ESL kids just say DOG!!
n=nag " " HORSE!!!
s= sausages HOT DOGS!!!!!!!
If these people ever spent even 10 minutes trying to figure out how the brain of a 4 year old works… bah!
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I still don’t understand why c was for cot on every chart I ever saw when I was that age. I don’t think I’ve ever used the word cot.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Though I guess it’s not as bad as that ridiculous “Land of the Letter People” “curriulum” where they had you combine a unit on outer space with a unit on people with physical disabilities. “Look at the man with wheels instead of legs!!! He’s from Mars!!!”
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C
is for Cot’s contracts!
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/phonetic/s.shtml
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oh, and I meant that I agree.
And then I tried to think of words that began with a soft C, failed, searched in google, and found that.
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meh, I think we should just do away with c all together and just use the s and the k. Words like circle and circus confuse the crap out of beginning readers.
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English spelling is stupid and dumb.
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It’s how we keep out the riff raff.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Work with me on this one. I can’t very well argue that spelling in English is straightforward and logical. Although I could discount the importance of straightforward and logical spelling I suppose….
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Baseball Prospectus has our playoff odds at 87%
And yesterday we were at a season-high 90%
Second in MLB behind Red Sox, who are 95%
As always:
LOL INDIANS
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Which is as good a reason as any to not trade prospects for rentals.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
Pat leads the team in walks in 159 PA's
Last night would have been perfect for Pat to draw a walk, pinch run Manny B, and freaking hit a run in, but nooooo. Manny could have also PR for Miggy.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Kinda interesting...
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#sfgiants hitters have been meeting in Bruce Bochy’s office for the last 20+ minutes. Still going.
Glad to see Bochy doesn’t think we’re hitting well.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't see Bruce being able tto chew on vets
But I hope that is the case.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Depends on the working definition of “chew.”
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
He is going to frighten them by waving his gigantic cranium around in a confined space.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
How bout just giving them some take signs?
I realize that it never happens anymore. But frankly, I’d love to see the Giants hitters taking a strike as a general rule – particularly with no runners on. And particularly in the early innings.
Wednesday’s game comes to mind. A pticher they have never seen before. And a FIVE pitch first, followed (i think) by a NINE pitch second. Six out 14 pitches. Six outs and you still know nothing about the guy.
Guys who are not power threats should be taking a strike almost as a matter of course – particularly with no one on. But that is not how this team works.
So I don’t expect to seen anything different. U
This
So much of this I could puke. The one pitch outs with runners on base is so frustrating. And I ain’t talking sac flies.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Player-designed jerseys
They really should have run these past Natto first.
Timmy: http://twitpic.com/59qmww
Pablo: http://twitpic.com/59qn11
Matt: http://twitpic.com/59qn59
Cody: http://twitpic.com/59qnkp
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
I was looking at those. All pretty damn fugly. Who is gonna lay out a chunk of change for that crap?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Dunno but it ain’t me. The pics at the bottom get bonus ugly points.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Yup. I could almost like some of them, but the pics just ruin them.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Player-designed as in designed by the players?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you saying the actual players designed these (that is, Timmy did the Freak one, and so on)?!
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Yes.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Tim looks kind of embarrassed
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Cody is the only one smart enough to not make his number some weird pattern.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Cody’s the only one who seems happy with what he’s made. The front of his jersey looks like something out of the late ’70s.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
It looks like something painted on the side of a custom van conversion from the late 70’s.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
And designed by a group of stoned eighth graders
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I was a stoned eighth grader in the late '70s!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
As was I, and my shirt would've looked nearly the same as Ross'
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Ditto
Although my shirt at the time was probably an OP.
lulz
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
OP! ?Too funny, and accurate!
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I have an acquaintance who still orders OP shorts (the short corduroy variety) by the dozen and wears them year round. I’ve seen him in long pants twice in 11 years.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Mine would have been in ransom note-style mixed fonts.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Nice and creepy!
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Cain has a future designing shirts for bowling alleys in Atlantic City or Myrtle Beach.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
He’ll take on a second job to make rent and feed the kids!!
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I read that last line as "feel the kids". I did a deep double take.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Only Dodger pitchers feel the kids. And that’s just not right.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m just going to assume that they were given 3 different options for lettering/numbering, jersey color, and photos. I’m going to say they weren’t allowed full creative license with these.
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Yup.
More like ordering a “dinner” from a Chinese restaurant (1 soup, 2 apps, 1 beef, etc.)
Charlie Hayes ate my homework
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim uses argyle. Presumably that increases his Handsomeness Quotient.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Tim Lincecum is actually Jeff Sullivan.
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 4:19 PM PDT up reply actions
COME TO THE PARK WE CAN BE TWINS OMG OMG OMG
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
At least the LolBacks are losing
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 4:39 PM PDT reply actions
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Understandably, Burrell wouldn’t give specifics about what was said in the meeting, but called it an open discussion about hitting struggles
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hankschulman Henry Schulman
All the hitters just emerged from Bochy’s office. I don’t think they were having a wine-tasting.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Did Miggy come out of that meeting smiling?
Please God no
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
So how is this chat going to help the Giants hit better?
I think all you can tell them is, we need better hitters, do what it takes to become one or we’ll get some in here.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
Emergency trip to Sacramento back on
Sunday night to Monday night…Yeah…
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
An emergency!
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He has an urgent need to take a whiff of the budget deficit!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Work. Trying to fix someone’s else mistake.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Still could be a senator… lots in the budget is somebody else’s mistake.
Can’t somebody else do it?
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Ew. It’s warm here, plan accordingly.
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It's warm here in San Mateo, too. Got to 76 today. Had to turn the A/C in the car on.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions
wimp.
No a/c in the car ‘til it’s over 98˚ !!!
Just don’t ask me how often we run the a/c at home.
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I am a total wimp when it comes to heat. Anything over 78 is ridiculously hot and should be banned. I can hardly wait for November.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Bringing it full circle
I was a stoned eighth grader in the late ’70s – IN SAN MATEO.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Far out!
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Would about a late dinner or lunch?
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Cafe Bernardo’s is pretty okay for that. Burgers n Brew too.
New Canton, the cantonese place on Broadway is pretty awesome. Garibaldi Taqueria if you’re in the Arden Arcade area.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
Hmmm
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Bochy: Giants are talking about Panda catching a couple times a week.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 4:55 PM PDT reply actions
Just saw that. Wow.
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I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Huh.
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On the one hand, a lot of people (including me) have been advocating this for a while. On the other hand, this is completely out-of-character for the Giants organization.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I think the Giants are only talking about this now so they can find a way to justify keeping Miguel.
“Well, when Pablo catches, we’ll need a third baseman”. I don’t like it. For next year, great idea. But we just lost Posey, and Pablo is still going to be healing for a couple months. Not to mention he has to learn the staff.
Just trade for a damn catcher and call it a job well done.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions
How was he defensively? I can’t remember.
Unless hes a big improvement defensively over Whiteside I’d rather see him stay at 3rd. Mainly because putting him at C seems like an effort to keep Tejada in the lineup.
The first six innings are overrated.
exactly my thoughts. Finding a way to keep Miguel.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
TWSS
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought he was pretty good in the little time I saw him play there. He definitely has a very strong arm, and probably could improve on balls in the dirt, but his new-found agility should help with that.
If they’re thinking of doing this, though, shouldn’t he play a game or two at C for the Grizzlies?
Nah. Players can just pick up new positions easily, and on the fly.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes, and he looked terrible there.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t remember him looking that bad.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I thought he looked like I do dancing – the feet were moving, but not in a coordinated or pleasing manner.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:46 PM PDT up reply actions
He didn't look that bad
He got robbed by the ump on that wide throw.
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WOW
We were just talking about this over on minor lines and the consensus was that it would never ever happen.
Didn’t he have hip issues last year? I know a lot of the weight is gone, but I would be leery of exposing him to more injury risk than necessary.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I look like a total idiot now. Thanks Bochy.
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no, you don’t.
nobody can predict what a Bork does
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
The "talking about" conversation went like this:
Sabes: Remember when Panda was a catcher?
Bork: heh
BREAKING NEWS!
that was a good idea
when his hand wasn’t broken and he was catching regularly.
Good thing spring training is just starting!
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Does this mean more Tehahaha?
JaymeeSireCSN Jaymee Sire
Sounds like Pablo Sandoval could play a little first base when he comes back. #sfgiants
Watch your hamate!
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Jun 10, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Or someone, perhaps with the initials BB?
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He’s WAY too old at this point.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions
…just another way for the organization to find a way to keep Miguel on the field.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is this even a possibility when 3rd base is currently in need of improvement?
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by Soulbrother16 on Jun 10, 2011 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Rain delay here in Columbus. Bottom of the 3rd.
We don’t play this Rochester team at home again this year, so I’m thinking we’re hell-bent on getting this one in. Could be a long night.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Are there any other International League teams near Columbus that Rochester might visit later in the year?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
They’re going to Toledo tomorrow. Why?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
On a future road trip they might be able to fit in a trip to Columbus, or something.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I don’t think they’re ever that creative.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Also, if they refuse to do that, might they be able to finagle an extra home game out of it if the game ends up needing to be replayed?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions
They’ll only do that if the game ends up being meaningful, like a playoff berth tie breaking situation.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
So would your team would have to issue refunds for tonight’s tickets if there’s no makeup?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
There’s never an “official” rain makeup as far as the fans are concerned. The policy is that tickets can be exchanged for the same price admission to any other regular season game based on availability.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Aaaah… You’re an internet nerd you didn’t have any other plans for a Friday night anyways.
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Fun article
The pacific Union Club on Nob Hill also coexists. Almost anyone can apply for membership as soon as he becomes enormously wealthy. Here the news is received that Mr. Raymond Lee Walls Jr., an associate of a Chicago firm, flies out to Mr. O. Manuel Cepeda, whose winter address is Puerto Rico.
As often happens, even in the best of baseball games, a lull has developed. The Giants appear to be firmly in control of the transaction. The Cubs appear to be ineffectual in achieving their terms. There have been very few base hits (only six, in slow trading). There has been no tension, no dispute, no conference at the pitcher’s hill. Truly, it has been a dull game. Dull, dull. One relaxes.
By direct wire, further information is received: Mr. Ernest Banks, of Dallas and Chicago, pops out to Mr. Edward Francis Bressoud, who is preparing for a pedagogical career at the University of California at Los Angeles. During the summer months he represents a San Francisco house, calling at Los Angeles, St. Louis, Chicago, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati and Philadelphia.
Dull, dull, dull, the mind relaxes, drifts. Stock in the Giants was at $100 a share in New York, at $175 after their removal to San Francisco, and would sell today for $800-$900, if anybody cared to sell.
Mr. R. Brown Thomson of Chicago, who hit a home run eight years ago, and in his last time at bat, is struck out by Mr. Michael Francis McCormick. In an earlier negotiation, Mr. McCormick received a bonus payment reported at $65,000.
At Seals Stadium rich and poor rise for the seventh-inning stretch.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Aubrey Huff is a fan of owlcroft, I see.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
No, Ernie Banks ears folded over, IIRC.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, then, how can I argue with a license?
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions
ooooooo…. is that a library book?
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I need to slap a reservation on that thing.
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by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions
HAHA
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Thank you for the image.
Apropos of a greened post upthread, that book contains the now tolerably well-known passage:
In baseball, some numbers are known, some are not, and the meaning of most of them can be debated. But there’s one number everyone knows and agrees with: three. Three outs and you’re gone. Period. The end. All runners cancelled, all theories moot, all probabilities zero. That number must, in any rational evaluation of the game, dominate planning.George F. Will singled it out in his review of Alan Schwarz’s delightful history The Numbers Game (which book I recommend).
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Hey, remember that “roster crunch” we had at the beginning of the season, a possibility of actually having too many useful players? Now look at the lineup tonight.
Those were good times… /kicks can down road
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There are still too many outfielders.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yep.
But it will get better. We just won a World Series. Of course we’d have to pay a fat price for that. It’s not that we lack of a good team. All the good hitters are just on the DL. It will get better again.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 5:21 PM PDT up reply actions
They got multiple problems as Grant mentioned.
Buster and Pablo being two key reasons, but good lord does Huff and Tejada suck. I knew it was a mistake signing Huff to a multi-year deal. They should have opted for Berkman or even Derrick Lee(equally crappy but much cheaper).
can you imagine if we’d actually picked up Berkman and he’d hit like he has?
striking gold two years in a row.
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by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 5:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I have a hard time believing that you didn’t want to sign Huff after the World Series win.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
Not for the deal he got.
IF you don’t believe me, you could always go back in look in the Huff signing thread. You could also go back and find where I mention they should have signed Berkman or Lee instead too.
Shift-A: Depressing line-up is depressing.
And those player designed jersey’s are uh…a little iffy. But um…at least it’s Vogelsong day? Or something?
I want Pablo back.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Baggs on Panda
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/extrabaggs/2011/06/10/giants-havent-ruled-out-sandoval-catching-some/
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I'm glad they're doing anything they can to keep Tejada in the lineup!
Bruce Bochy made a rather startling admission in his pre-game media chat: "I think he’d be fine behind the plate, too, and don’t think we haven’t discussed that."
If the Giants do elect to reintroduce Sandoval to the position, it would be with the idea of playing him as a spot starter, not as the everyday catcher.
"Probably get him to the point where he could go back there a couple times a week," Bochy said.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
"Probably get him to the point where he could go back there a couple times a week," Bochy said.
I can only hope that Bochy is referring to a sexual fantasy he’s had about Pablo, and is not actually thinking of playing him at catcher.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Now, I do like the idea of Pablo catching, or at least I did.
But this is the sort of thing that you need to do consistently. Don’t jerk Sandoval to third for Molina, and jerk him back behind the plate when Posey is injured. Give him a position, and set him there. Catcher is the position at which he is most valuable, so I would have been pleased if he had stayed there his entire Giants career.
But he didn’t, and it’s there that my support of the decision-making process ends.
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by dregarx on Jun 10, 2011 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What if he stays there, and Posey plays 3B next year when he comes back?
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I was going to type the same thing. Maybe they want to keep their options open in case Posey winds up not physically able to play catcher anymore.
I'll be happy that all turned out for the best (answering canofcorn's question)
But that doesn’t mean I necessarily have to be pleased with the process.
I think many of us can agree we’d rather have had Pablo starting at C in 2009 than Molina.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
So taking positional adjustment into account
Where does Posey’s bat have the most value besides C? I mean, realistically; not something ridiculous like SS.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess he could pull a Biggio, in which case it would be at 2B.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah, I don’t see him anywhere but 2B or 3B.
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It wouldn’t be inconceivable to make him a left fielder.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Is his bat even really good there though? I feel like he’s pretty average for a COF bat.
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Average NL OPS for left fielders is .769. If Buster got his power from last year back he would be well above average. If he were to play like he did this year he would be average.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Eh, I’m not sure I see him as a 20 HR or a .500 SLG kind of guy. I can see him OBP’ing .360 with a .440ish SLG, which puts him above average, but not wildly so. Plus, even if he’s above average at LF, that still makes a ~3ish WAR player—good, but nowhere near All Star level.
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2B and 3B are the same positionally.
I’ve been told 3B fits Posey’s physical tools better. Less range and more arm and all that.
The only other option, realistically, would be CF, I guess.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
I don’t think he’s fast enough for CF.
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Not remotely. Remember, Whiteside is faster.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Perhaps not.
It’s the only position we haven’t mentioned at which he’ll keep some grain of value.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
/Bochy reads this and the 14 watt light bulb over his head glows.
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the idea of not moving him around too much is especially important for Sandoval this year, as he was going to have a lot of things to try and figure out before the injury, let alone after. Asking him to get back there now doesn’t seem like a wise (or “fair,” though I guess baseball’s never fair) thing to ask of him.
by Seasick fish on Jun 10, 2011 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
it would be so totally par for the course
if he comes back from a broken hand and breaks it again on a foul tip after three games or something.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Has it really been since 2008 that last played catcher?
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Did Steward change that in the post? I’m looking at it now, and he mentions 2009.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
(Before I thought it said 14 games in 2008, not 11 in ’08 and 2 in ’09).
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I saw that the other day
and couldn’t for the life of me remember those games.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Precisely. RT @jcostah: Según reporta @hankschulman, los #Gigantes estaría considerando usar a Sandoval como receptor unas dos veces/ semana
Pablo Sandoval. Receptor.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions
My husband thinks
that the closed door meeting might have been about the crappy communication on defense. I sure hope Bochy mentioned that at least while he was reaming them out about offense.
Get well soon, Buster.
By "crappy" do you mean non-existent?
"It feels awesome. Feels like when you were a kid and every guy gets a chance to be a hero, then you eat orange slices and kool-aid after the game. Except we’re nailing champagne right now." —Brian Wilson
"He just threw me a fastball in and I just put a good swing on the ball, and you know when you put a good swing on the ball, the ball go out."
-Egdar Renteria commenting on his solo home run in the 5th inning of Game 2.
by Sabean's_Folly on Jun 10, 2011 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions
SUP
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Nice shirt!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
The Not World Series Champs hung a 7 spot on the Twinkies in the 2nd inning.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 5:56 PM PDT reply actions
what is a 7 spot? I’ve heard it’s a baseball thing, but I’ve never seen it happen.
except Game One of the 2010 World Series.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
it's like the G spot
but harder to find.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
WTF, MARLINS?
Clown testes
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by Lars The Wanderer on Jun 10, 2011 6:03 PM PDT reply actions
I want both teams to lose :(
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
FISH HINGING BY A THREAD. WILL THEY HOLD ON?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on Jun 10, 2011 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I DONT CARE AS LONG AS SCOTT COUSINS GOES 0-1 WITH K
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Can trading Jonathan Sanchez help these problems? I’ve been in New York today, the Yankees are reeling,and have a fair amount of talent in the majors and below. They have two good catcher prospects, for instance. Or could you trade Sanchez and Andres Torres for Granderson? Just thinking—I was a Yankee fan till the beginning fof the playoffs last year and realized I just didn’t want to watch Derek Jeter ground to short any more.
Why would the Giants trade Sanchez and Torres? If they are truly desperate, let the Yankees suck on some Zito.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions
yeah
there are 29 other teams with pitchers that don’t come with $50M worth of baggage.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I would eat salary in the event of a trad, certainly, but the important part is that I AM NOT INTERESTED IN HELPING THE YANKEES. I AM INTERESTED IN RIPPING THE YANKEES OFF.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Jun 10, 2011 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, that’s such a great deal I’m sure they’ll take it, especially if offerred by the cunning Brian Sabean.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on Jun 10, 2011 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions
right now i would rather have ishikawa, Bowker or Pill instead of Huff
Pill can play second and he has some power, bring him up.
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