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Zeets leads the spot with Cain and Romo, and also Meulens and Torres.

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I love this team

The thong is, it happened.

by Goofus on Jun 1, 2011 12:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Fantastic

Really well done. Bravo to the entire Giants organization for making this happen.

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by Kitspool on Jun 1, 2011 12:51 PM PDT reply actions  

Love it.

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by satyricrash on Jun 1, 2011 12:59 PM PDT reply actions  

Score one for the Giants

I’m not just talking about this PSA spot, I’m also predicting tonight’s run total.

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by Josh from Hollywood on Jun 1, 2011 1:10 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Soroptimist!

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by shanghaijim on Jun 1, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

just a wee off on that one

by giant normy's head on Jun 3, 2011 1:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

Excellent. Good ol’ Matty.

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by TheLetter2 on Jun 1, 2011 4:11 PM PDT reply actions  

Sign of the times!

The amount of support the professional athletic community has shown for the LGBT community so far this year has been inspiring. Here’s hoping they keep it up.

by InTimmyWeTrust on Jun 1, 2011 5:31 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice of the Giants to do something like this….I guess it makes sense in San Francisco.

by sleeknerve on Jun 1, 2011 11:19 PM PDT reply actions  

The ISSUE

is that you are implying it doesn’t make sense elsewhere. Frankly, the LGBT community needs more support from their athletic teams in the south and midwest than in SF.

Section 314 FTW!

by KingofDucks1987 on Jun 1, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

But it probably makes sense for the SF team to lead the way and hope other teams do something similar.

What I love is this type of message is that besides reaching troubled LGBT kids, it has the real potential to reach would-be bullies. When the heroes from the “macho” world of pro sports says “don’t be a bully”, maybe it’ll reach a few more.

The thong is, it happened.

by Goofus on Jun 2, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think you misunderstood me.

I agree the community needs more support. But I was saying it makes sense for SF to be the first ones to do this. I have to admit It is a bit of a surprise that ANY MLB team would make a video like this. I am not implying that it does not make sense for other places to do this.

Most of the time the correct cause does not align with the manpower or financial support, but here it does, because San Francisco has always been on the edges, compared to the rest of the US.

by sleeknerve on Jun 2, 2011 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

It is a good thing

Next step: A teammate comes out and is supported.

Probably not happening soon, but inevitable someday.

"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris

by achiappanza on Jun 8, 2011 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck yeah.

From gas can to hurling fire - the adoptive father of Santiago Casilla, international man of mystery and master of the Jairoball.

by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 2, 2011 12:35 AM PDT reply actions  

So.....just asking...

Is there any movement to ask people to stop saying “Jesus Christ!” when they are angry or mess up? After all, wouldn’t that be offensive to Christians?

Serious question….I really am wondering if there is a difference.

by colbs34 on Jun 2, 2011 11:23 AM PDT reply actions  

The difference is I don’t think anyone’s committed suicide off of hearing someone else say “Jesus Christ”…because I’m guessing it’s not as hurtful. I think the closest comparison would be if the word Christian was used negatively, like, “that’s so Christian!”, or, “shut up you fucking Christian!”

But I’m not Christian or gay so I don’t know for sure.

by belilaugh on Jun 2, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

No more calls, please. We have a winner.

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by TheLetter2 on Jun 2, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

And...

Christians (or any other religion) also have the church, where they can go talk to other Christians about Christianity. For an LGBT teen, confronting ones own sexuality is an instant excommunication (see what I did there) from society as they know it. This message tries to convey that there are people who understand (and sympathize with) what they’re going through and can be found if sought out.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 2, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's a start

Don’t forget “You’re Christian? There’s something wrong with you that needs to be fixed or you’ll never be normal.”

"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris

by achiappanza on Jun 8, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Religion is a choice

Sexuality is not (on that note, is it just me that realizes that if you argue that it is, then you’re saying people choose to be heterosexual just as much as they choose to be homosexual?). You can make fun of people for their choices, but it’s pretty screwy to make fun of them for things they can’t control.

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by quincy0191 on Jun 2, 2011 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Please. If someone tells me that I Jewed them out of money then they can fuck off.

Stereotypes about religions have real consequences, you can see it at the airport security check every day. Is that okay because they “chose” their religion (I am not assuming you do think it is okay, just making a point)?

by belilaugh on Jun 2, 2011 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jewish means two things

One means you subscribe to a certain religion, the other means you’re of a particular ethnic descent. I’m pretty sure the negative stereotype of being tight with money is a reference to the ethnicity and not the religion (though a lot of people I’m sure don’t take the time to decide what they mean).

As far as the airport goes, I assume you mean racial profiling for brown people? But again, that’s an ethnic difference, not a religious one. They don’t ask you what religion you are and stop you based on that, they (presumably) look for brown people, which means plenty of non-Muslims can (and I’m sure do) get stopped because they “look Muslim” when in fact they’re Southeast Asian or Latino or perhaps even African (again, ethnically, not nationally).

I would be a lot more okay with religious profiling than racial profiling, but I’m pretty sure that’s not what’s happening.

Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Jun 2, 2011 9:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

haha, well clearly you aren’t a Jew. That religion/ethnic group split has proved notoriously difficult to uphold, even in religious studies. Were you a Jew, you would’ve known very well why.

by haverecords on Jun 3, 2011 1:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, I'm not Jewish

Are you saying it’s hard to find a factual basis for the split? Because I’m relatively certain that’s not the case. I mean, there are Jewish surnames.

Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Jun 3, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Religion may not be as much a choice as you seem to think. To be sure, there is a volitional aspect to it, but do consider the question of whether we can control what we think, or how we got to believe as we have. There is a long running, contentious, and current philosophical debate over this, btw.

Also, Sexuality has more choice involved than you are indicating: at the very least, previous choices and predilections (not necessary sexual) can strongly influence the causal nexus which leads to one’s ‘sexuality’. Also, it will vary depending on the case: there are sociological patterns which are associated with one’s sexuality—and sexuality is something of a far greater spectrum than gay straight bi trans etc. In terms of the physical data, the evidence is mixed: there are associations, even strong associations, but certainly not conclusive.

by haverecords on Jun 3, 2011 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the early teens are when people start to actually think. Not coincidentally, that’s when a lot of people start to reject religion (though part of that is just pure rebellion which isn’t specific to their family’s religion and just spews everywhere). Upbringing absolutely influences what you think, but the bottom line is that people can choose their religious denomination.

As far as sexuality having choices, well, my experience doesn’t indicate that. You can choose how you act, but I didn’t choose to be heterosexual, I just like boobs. Society influences what you do with who you are; in some societies, homosexuality is acceptable, so people practice it. In others, it isn’t, so they practice it covertly. But that doesn’t change whether you are gay or straight or bisexual or transgender, it changes what you do.

There’s biology behind this, too; there was a study done that found similarities in the brains of straight females and gay men, while straight men and gay women were similar to each other but not the first group. There’s also a theory that since homosexuality occurs more often in men with older brothers that there is a hormonal thing going on before birth that influences sexuality, and I’m pretty sure in utero is prior to social influence. So yeah, you can choose who you bang, but you don’t seem to get the same option when it comes to who you want to bang.

Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Jun 3, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Religion and sexuality are the same thing; beliefs

You simply believe boobs are great

The thong is, it happened.

by Goofus on Jun 11, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Choice
You can make fun of people for their choices, but it’s pretty screwy to make fun of them for things they can’t control.

Exactly why the homophobe contingent often makes the argument that it can be controlled. It’s not based on evidence, it’s based on constructing a defensible position.

While it’s true that sexuality is on a continuum, and people can make choices that affect sexual response in their mind, it’s also pretty clear the gay/straight thing can’t just be willed across the line.

"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris

by achiappanza on Jun 8, 2011 9:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s not offensive to Christians. What’s offensive is “jeebus” and “god” with a small “g”. But I deal with it.

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by shanghaijim on Jun 2, 2011 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, why the fuck is it always the opposite of gay is Christian?

I don’t know which pastor started it but it’s completely wrongheaded. Sexual orientation isn’t even a primary issue in the Bible. Both Paul and Leviticus mention it only among a long list of other sins people don’t give a fuck about. I’ve observed quite a few irreligious men who are homophobic, and I think it’s because straight men can’t help it. It’s a reaction to our pheromones, same as our attraction is a reaction to theirs. Society and societal constructs like religion do not create homophobia, they can only reinforce or counteract it.

THATS RIGHT I BLAME ALL YOU STRAIGHT MEN. hahahahaha

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by shanghaijim on Jun 2, 2011 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

The point you make is one that should be made more often.

The simple opposition between gay and christian isn’t just false, it shows a total lack of familiarity with what is a rather complicated issue with many different well reasoned positions. Not only that, the issue of sexual identity itself is far from simple, so the person who uses sledgehammer diction on this topic is a fool. You may not agree with my view on the topic (or then again you might—I suspect we’re both somewhat moderate)—but I am sick of this tired opposition.

Also, it should be mentioned that homophobia has a rather strict meaning application, contrary its common usage. Not that you used it wrong here, but the simple identification of those who oppose homosexuality in some manner (I say that vaguely because it requires linguistic gymnastics to say it specifically) with homophobia simply isn’t true (though it is common), and it does the already shitty social dialogue on the topic even further disservice. Again, I’m not saying you used it wrongly here, just making the general point since the topic is at hand.

by haverecords on Jun 3, 2011 1:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, because it implies the exact opposite

The use of homophobic epithets speaks to an attempt to demean LGBT people, to make them other to society – “you are this thing and it is wrong.” Taking the Lord’s name in vain, as it were, is a symbol of how endemic Christian faith is to Western society – I’m not remotely religious, Jewish if anything, but I say “Jesus Christ” as an expression of alarm/disbelief/Aubrey Huff hitting dingers because it’s woven into the world I grew up in.

I suppose if someone was truly offended by that and asked me to stop, I would, but I’ve never heard anyone take offense at the, uh, JC-bomb.

TLDR: one’s an expression of hatred, the other’s just an expression brought on by the underpinnings of our society.

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by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 3, 2011 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

There are people who are offended at using “Jesus Christ” as an expletive, but they’re usually the same kind of people who are offended by curse words, period.

by sycasey on Jun 3, 2011 4:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fuck those people.

Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)

by quincy0191 on Jun 3, 2011 8:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

But isn't "f*ggot" or "that's so gay" also woven into the world you/I/we grew up in?

Does that make it okay, since it is woven into the society?

Please note, I’m not pro gay-bashing. I just find it interesting that there is such a fervor to not offend some groups, and for other groups it is acceptable without even a second thought. I don’t condone or participate in bashing either group or use the words we’re discussing.

by colbs34 on Jun 4, 2011 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

The primary difference is that "Jesus Christ" or "Oh my God" aren't denigrations

(I’m not even sure if that’s a word, but I’ m pretty drunk)

They’re just invocations of a particular….thing to express emotion.

From gas can to hurling fire - the adoptive father of Santiago Casilla, international man of mystery and master of the Jairoball.

by Lies and Perfidy on Jun 5, 2011 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

That depends on how kooky you are about the bible. If you take you 10 commandments extra literally, then taking the lord’s name in vain is a pretty serious affront.

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by Bhaakon on Jun 9, 2011 4:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

This PSA is not about calling someone gay – it’s about trying keep depressed teens alive.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 6, 2011 5:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

A classic moment
I suppose if someone was truly offended by that and asked me to stop, I would, but I’ve never heard anyone take offense at the, uh, JC-bomb.

About a year ago, when my daughter was 2, she dropped a toy in her bath and said, “Shit!” I said, “Honey, don’t say that!” And she said, "But you say ‘shit’ and Mommy says ‘shit’ and ‘Jesus!’ "

"The two worst things in football are: 1) They think that a 30-year old professional athlete has to be locked up in a hotel room, with a curfew, the night before a qame; and 2) They're right."
- Cowboy safety Cliff Harris

by achiappanza on Jun 8, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

It’s nice when the team you you grew up rooting for is an institution you can legitimately be proud of.

"Don't trust anyone under the age of 30" - Brian Sabean

by Smotheredinhugs on Jun 2, 2011 1:30 PM PDT reply actions  

Bochy to romosexuals:

It doesn’t get better

let pablo buffet

by varsity shortcut on Jun 4, 2011 10:07 AM PDT reply actions  

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