How Might Losing Buster Posey Affect the Giants?
by JT Jordan on May 27, 2011 4:00 AM PDT
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PrintWhenever I see an injury occur-baseball or otherwise-I cringe, and I immediately think, "wow, that sucks." There's always a bit of a detachment involved, simply because there isn't any real connection to the individual. Watching Buster Posey get hit the other night, though...wow. Some of what I felt could be expressed in clichés-my stomach dropped, my heart sank, and so on-but at the bottom of it all was this overwhelming feeling of despair. I just witnessed a spectacular ballplayer and a fantastic young man writhe in pain after a collision gone wrong.
Buster was an integral part of the Giants' surge last year that brought a World Series title to San Francisco, and he is a key piece of the Giants' lineup. True, he wasn't lighting the world on fire-he was hitting .284/.368/.389 with nice on-base skills but little power-but that's darn good for a catcher, and he was one of the few hitters that has produced for the Giants above the league average rate, with potential for more. ZiPS Rest of Season (ROS) projections forecasted him to finish the year with a .293/.368/.443 line, +22 runs above average. That's an extremely valuable player, especially behind the plate, and...he's gone.
As of right now, the Giants have two catchers on the roster in Posey's absence. The first is Eli Whiteside; the second, Chris Stewart. Both players are essentially backup receivers, with Whiteside a career .231/.283/.366 hitter and Stewart a .188/.235/.229 hitter in 54 PA at the Major League level and with little success in the Minors. We know that the Giants have suffered an incredible loss offensively-the question is, how much have they lost?
The simple approach would be to use the player's ZiPS ROS, find their estimated value and then to look at the difference. This approach suggests that the difference between Buster and Eli-between 453 plate appearances-is close to 30 runs. This, of course, does not account for playing time given to Chris Stewart, or to another catcher should the Giants acquire one (rumor has it they've already asked about Ivan Rodriguez). Nor does it adjust for the plate appearances Eli wouldn't take-remember, he would be hitting in the lower part of the order, where he will receive fewer plate appearances per game-so it's a bit hard to tell. In any case, we're looking at about three and a half wins lost (generally speaking, ten runs equals a win-but for the Giants, who play in a lower run environment, it's about nine runs).
Another way to estimate the impact of Posey's bat within the Giants lineup is to use a Markov Chain, which is a mathematical model that uses transition probabilities to move from one state to another. Since baseball is a game of states (nobody on, runner on first no outs, runner on first one out, etc.), Markovs work exceptionally well for lineup analysis.* For example, this is the most common lineup (given the return of Andres Torres and the loss of Pablo Sandoval):
- Andres Torres
- Freddy Sanchez
- Aubrey Huff
- Buster Posey
- Nate Schierholtz
- Cody Ross
- Mike Fontenot
- Miguel Tejada
- Pitcher
Using up-to-date stats, this lineup would be expected to score 3.83 runs per game according to the Markov. The Giants have actually scored 3.54 runs per game, which can in part be explained by Bruce Bochy's different daily lineups and the fact that Aaron Rowand led off a lot. Substituting Rowand for Torres drops the Markov estimate to 3.53 runs per game, so it works reasonably well at capturing reality.
With the return of Brandon Belt, Pablo Sandoval, and some overall regression to the mean, the Giants should see a definite increase in their offensive output. I figure this is a reasonable estimate of how the normal lineup would play over the course of the season, assuming Buster never suffered his injury:
- Andres Torres
- Freddy Sanchez
- Aubrey Huff
- Buster Posey
- Pablo Sandoval
- Cody Ross
- Brandon Belt
- Miguel Tejada
- Pitcher
This lineup is expected to score 4.82 runs per game. I know the figure seems a bit high, and it is-but bear with me. It's more important to pay attention to the difference than anything else. If we were to subtract Posey, shift everyone down a slot and hit Eli Whiteside eighth, that expected runs per game figure changes to 4.54. Over the remaining 112 games, this would amount to (4.82 - 4.54) x 112 = 31 runs, right in line with the simple estimate.
So, the bottom line is that we're looking at about three wins lost with the absence of Posey. If the Giants are a true .564 team and they're playing .551 ball, they would be expected to finish the season with a .557 winning percentage and 90 wins. By losing Buster, this drops their expected wins to 86. By the same estimates, the Rockies are a true talent .525 team currently playing .490-so they look to wind up somewhere around .511 and 83 wins-only three games behind. That's a pretty small gap, so the Giants need to either A) acquire some help, B) hope their players either match or exceed their ROS forecasts, or C) hope the rest of the NL West performs poorly to help compensate for the loss of Buster. As it currently stands, it looks like we'll be biting our nails rather than being relatively comfortable towards the end of the season.
Get well soon, Buster. We need you.
*A popular lineup tool on the internet is the Baseball Musings tool, which only uses on-base percentage and slugging percentage. I prefer the Markov approach because it follows the rules of baseball, whereas the Musings tool is based purely on regressions and doesn't actually take into consideration the interactions between players.
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Nice analysis. I expect the Giants to pick up somebody along the lines of Pudge to fill the gap. I don’t believe the 6-8 weeks thing though. I thunk that’s a Sabean ruse designed to make it look like he’s not desperate when he calls teams for catchers. He’s gone for the year.
Another thing I want to mention is this changing the rules thing bring talked about here. Everyone thought it was hilarious when Nate bowled over that Japanese catcher a few years ago, but it’s not so funny when it’s the heart and soul of your own team. That’s the way the game is played. Leave it alone.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on May 27, 2011 4:28 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I see your point re the injury time table but if the injuries are as reported, 6-8 weeks for recovery plus 2-3 weeks for rehab is perfectly reasonable.
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The problem is the ligament damage. The bone will heal in 6-8 weeks, but the ligaments will likely require surgery, and then you’re talking over 2 months. I’d guess 3 months minimum, and then if you allow for a rehab assignment (he could probably walk in 3 months, but not be baseball-ready), then you see that Mark is right in his statement that this is likely Sabean’s attempt to not sound desperate when he goes shopping for catchers.
Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?
I agree
This SBN analysis while admittedly from an endocrinologist (!) seems sound and suggests that it will be 4-6 months before he can play again.
He sprained his endocrine too? This news just keeps getting worse and worse!
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
yea
i read that too but i’m not buying it. i’ve talked to my step dad who is a doctor and told him everything that’s out there (essentially what the guy writing the column would have to work from as well) and he said, especially if they decide to put the screw in his ankle as part of the surgery, that is completely realistic to expect him back by at least september. and it could be mid august if things went really well. so i’m going to go with that
by you'vejustbeenCAINED on May 27, 2011 1:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is SBN hiring an endocrinologist to analyze an orthopedic issue?
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duh
Couldn’t find an osteopathic podiatrist.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck it, does anyone know a chiropractor?
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions
that was kind of my point. I mean I kind of feel at least as quallified as a cardiologist. Maybe the bone angle? I almost emailed the dude to ask him how he is quallified other than being a hard core sports fan (for Washington teams).
At least now I know who to turn to when my ICD punches me in the chest
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
=/
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
OK let’s not violate any HIPAA shit now, but of course you are welcome to call me when that happens. I am also confident that you must have a good electrophyiologist in town here too. If not, i can certainly help with that.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Happy endings?
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MDMC
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than RUNDMC
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Whose house?
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Mary, Mary
why ya buggin?
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
I leave the city living for you youngsters.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Here is his bio...
Ali Mohamadi
SB Nation Medical Expert
A die-hard fan of all things related to DC sports, Dr. Ali Mohamadi grew up in Washington during the Redskins’ glory days of the Fun Bunch, the Hogs, and Joe Jackson Gibbs (v1.0). Following high school, he earned his undergraduate degree at Yale before earning his medical degree at the George Washington University School of Medicine. Ali then completed his residency and chief residency at the Mount Sinai School of Medicine in New York City, followed by his subspecialty fellowship in Endocrinology at Johns Hopkins. Upon completing his training, he moved back to DC to start his career as a physician and, as in his youth, attend Redskins’ home games (at FedEx Field this time instead of RFK Stadium).
Ali has received numerous honors and awards during his career. In 2007, he was awarded a Lawson Wilkins Pediatric Endocrine Society Research Fellowship Award for his studies on growth hormone. Related to this research, he also was selected as a finalist for the Johns Hopkins Department of Medicine Clinical Research Award in 2007 and was the winner of an Endocrine Society Research Award in 2008. More recently, Ali was selected as one of "America’s Top Physicians" by the Consumer Research Council of America in 2009 and 2010.
Great…so they hired the guy to talk about Barry Bonds and decided that he will do for all other medical issues.
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Why not. You went to medical school. What do you think about Buster’s crines?
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Hired!
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by calbearjd on May 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I would hazard a guess that it was felt that having gone through medical school would give any doctor a better insight than most laymen, even if the issue isn’t directly related to their specialty. Would you have no valid opinion on legal matters outside your specialty?
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I would not feel comfortable talking about a SEC investigation if I was a transaction attorney.
SBN should have just called up a surgeon. There are plenty who would love the publicity.
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I will remember this.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Numbers, numbers, blah, blah, blah
Sorry, I’m sure you worked real hard on this and if it were anyone else who’d been hurt I’m sure it would be pertinent and gripping information, but who cares. Buster Posey is injured and the only thing running through my mind are the lyrics to “I’m So Lonesome I Could Cry”.
Did you ever see a robin weep
When leaves begin to die
That means he’s lost the will to live
I’m so lonesome I could cry
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by Mordy From Monsey on May 27, 2011 5:16 AM PDT reply actions
You may be right, ggf.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Dude has to be pushing 4 bills right now
No way he ever plays again.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Five minutes before that picture was taken there were nine plates of food in front of him.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on May 27, 2011 9:55 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
One thing is for sure--Pat Burrell needs to start everyday.
He’d be a perfect cleanup hitter. I don’t know who hits third, but Pat at cleanup seems like a no-brainer to me.
Brandon Belt needs to play, and LF is the obvious spot for him. If Pat wasn’t playing while Belt was in Fresno, he won’t be playing now. If it were up to me, Pat could get some time in place of Huff until he starts hitting again.
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by rxmeister on May 27, 2011 5:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’m all for a belt 4/6, Pat 4/6, with huff getting the four games they leave behind.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 27, 2011 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m for buying Burrell a 1B mitt, or at least I was until Belt came back. Posey was also the only backup 1B at the time he was injured.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Put your money away . . .
Pat Burrell at 1B has been, and will continue to be, a defensive nightmare. Belt and Huff at 1B. Belt & Burrell in LF.
Don't believe everything you think.
right
who cares with Belt on the roster, but having Buster as the only other 1B was not going to work.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
As been noted before One of those men gave good amount of 3B experience. If the manager rotates things around correctly we should be forced to have M.I. guys with their M.I. I. bats playing M.I. positions. I know i dream the impossible.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s two words. Yousee, crammingwords togetheris kindof meh.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I was attempting to make a Caddyshack reference...
… but I left out a word.
I believe it goes like this:
Ty: Do you take drugs Danny?
Danny: Every day
Ty: Good. So what’s the problem?
Ah, I see. Having seen Caddyshack would probably have been a good first step for me on this one.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Why I dont like stats sometimes:
Takes the emotion completely out of the equation. Yesterdays loss was because the team was so demoralized after the injury that they couldnt get up for it. To say were only gonna lose about 3.5 going from Buster to Whiteside is completely delusional IMO. Weve already lost 1 game!
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by Montreal Giants Fan on May 27, 2011 6:18 AM PDT reply actions
This
Plus, stats don’t take into account the loss of interest engendered by just not seeing your favorite player in the lineup every day. Both Panda & Posey out – whatever. At least it’s Timmy Day.
Get well soon, Buster.
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but I do agree with this.
I’m glad they called Belt up or it would basically be like the ’08 Giants again.
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Your youngest starter: 32 year old Bengie Molina. Matt Morris. Klesko.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel slightly nauseous as well.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions
He was just so shitty. Looking at this WAR values on FanGraphs really hammers home the point of why FIP might not be a good component of pitching WAR.
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Matt Cain agrees
The worst for me is still probably Mike Lacoss. His numbers from the 80’s weren’t that bad, but it seemed like every time the Giants were on TV (only 10-20 a year back then), it was a tight game that he inevitably blew.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions
He was so freaken’ing streaky can the streaks would last for like 8 weeks. And he was still better then a lot opins. Oh mylanta.
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If not for Omar, I couldn’t have watched that horrible team as much as I did.
And I totally forgot that was the year Timmy came up. I remember him as 2008. And I suppose I remember Omar and Bonds as part of 2006. I don’t know if it’s old age or PTSD.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I remember when Timmy came up. A buddy and I were in Tucson for a Tool show and saw him pitch against the Phillies. I don’t remember him doing very well. It may have even been his ML debut.
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I remember seeing his banner at the All Star FanFest.
Hubby & I just stared at it for a long while. The first time I saw him pitch live, in 3-D, I couldn’t believe he was that flexible.
Get well soon, Buster.
I remember that game
and was totally excited for it, but I don’t remember it as part of that terrible season.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Timmy started. Then, Chulk (I hated that guy), Taschner, Correia, and Sanchez. Kinda weird. Link
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I remember thinking “good luck kid, you’re pitching in the homerdome today!”.
LOL Memorial Day Weekend 2011.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Just that FIP might not be the best way to measure pitcher WAR when you want to consider what actually happened. It’s been debated before Also, I’d love to get something that measures batted balls into the mix…maybe tRA or something.
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I find it a little odd that Fangraphs doesn’t use tRA. I mean, it’s still defense independent just to classify the batted ball types. Maybe they’re worried about bias in LD/FB classification?
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It's almost like you could look at multiple versions of WAR to try and determine a player's value ;-)
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I agree with jponry
Because I have to.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
So, the demoralization affected the hitters, but not Vogelsong?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Maybe it only affected every player who played during the Posey game! Meaning Anibel Sanchez was feelin’ fine. That actually almost begins to sort of make sense.
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or rather
The theory fits the data. Connecting it to sense is still iffy.
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by achiappanza on May 27, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
IMO pitchers are different from position players cause they can really get themselves amped up for a start only pitching every 5 days. Stats are important and ignoring them is rather ignorant but relying solely on them is also flawed.
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by Montreal Giants Fan on May 27, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions
But the pitchers are used to throwing to Posey
I’m sure this affects them even more than position players.
Get well soon, Buster.
Nobody relies solely on stats.
Nobody.
Nobody.
Absolutely no one.
I wish, I really, really wish this would stop being something people say.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
There are people.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Unfortunately, this is true. There are people and it pisses me off.
There shouldn’t be people at all.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Reminds me of this:
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Is Vogelsong the new Lacross but with longer between good event cycles?
/holds stomache
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You missed the point.
I believe JT is also filled with emotions. However, because our forum is overrun by emotions, it’s nice to bring a statistical perspective back into the picture.
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I know JT and he definitely has no emotions. He’s just a machine that does calculations. I used to feed him data and he would poop out conclusions.
That is cray-z.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I expected Grant to at least find someone with graphing capability.
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Nope
Xanthan was taken.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
To say were only gonna lose about 3.5 going from Buster to Whiteside is completely delusional IMO.
Good thing that’s not what he’s saying, then!
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
This sucks.
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I hate everything.
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Nonetheless,
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by gallo del cielo on May 27, 2011 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
expecting “the return of Pablo Sandoval” to immediately resume hitting as he was is a little too optimistic.
Assuming Whiteside can hit as “well” as Tejada, upgrading at SS should still be a priority, and one which will not be solved by Buster’s return whether it is this year or next year. I’d rather overpay for an SS than a C, if those are the only two choices available.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
Hopefully Belt solves one of those problems, and even broken Sandoval is better than what is steaming at 3B.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Your prodigious double play machine was .268./.303/.409 last year.
Your current 3B is .221/.242/.285.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
1B, 3B, and LF are fine.
LF: Ross/Burrell/Rowand combo will work
1B: Huff will find his way and Belt will help
3B: Fine once Panda comes back
SS/C are the needs
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I wasn’t very clear with my post. My point wasn’t to say the Giants need to replace what they currently have at each of those positions. It was more to say the Giants need upgraded performance at each of those positions.
I agree that Panda’s return should give the Giants the upgrade they need at 3B. But I’m concerned about how well he’ll be hitting when he comes back, and whether he’ll be able to hit for power right away.
I’m also hopeful that Huff will get himself squared away, but I can’t say I’m confident, given the ups and downs of his career. And right now, Huff’s swing just looks awful. If Rusty the Mechanical Man could swing a bat, I think it would look a lot like Huff’s swing right now. Belt is someone in whom I have a bit more hope in providing that upgrade at 1B.
I don’t think LF is fine right now. I’m not sure what we’re going to get from Burrell and Nate going forward. They both have great flaws as hitters. Still, I think I’m OK with sticking with the 2010 formula of Burrell in LF and Nate as the late-inning defensive replacement in RF (moving Ross to LF).
I like Ross. He’s a streaky hitter who I think will get hot and really help the Giant offense. So I’m not worried about RF.
Did you really include Rowand as a part of a combo that will work?
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
As for Rowand: I don’t think he’s really as bad as he was the last two years. He’s good against lefties (wRC+ 165) and good defensively. He’s just not worth his contract
I like Rusty the Mechanical Man’s swing
Panda will be fine once he comes back.
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On the panda
I think he will be fine enough. But i suspect his SLG will be a bit light for a while compared to what we are use to seeing. And he willbe the best of avialbile in house and out of house option IMHO.
Do we disagree?
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Panda’s injury is a broken bone. As long he had does the workout/rehab properly, he should be fine.
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any time that lowewr hand/ wrist get hurt i tend to think there is alonger spann from “good enough to play” to fully heathly.Of coarse i would be glad to wrong here!
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
CAN HE PLAY THRID BASE??
I like Rusty the Mechanical Man’s swing
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I continue to think overpaying for Reyes is worth doing, and Reyes over Tejada is surely a bigger upgrade than any available catcher over Whiteside.
Question: Ignoring the fact that it’s an overpay on the Giants’ end for half a season of Reyes, would the Mets do Wheeler for Reyes?
The Mets are kind of similar to the Bums now days in that it doesn’t take much to see them 10 under 500 and 10+ games back in the first couple weeks of July. Though the Mets have money issues it doesn’t seem to be as bad as the Bums and pure cost cutting probably would not do it with ther fan base – it is NY after all.
Short answer, from I sit, yes it should if they belive Wheeler has true top of ration potentional. If so then that should mostly do it.
Also from were I sit this is kind of move the Giants should NOT do only if they have decieded to not keep Cain, Timmeh & two others together for seasons after 2012. If they front office has made that choice then they would be in full rebuiling mode in 3 years and I am pretty sure teh Mortgage on the yard would prevent that kind of thinking.
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Reyes deal
Others have pointed out that half-season rentals of other players have gotten a lot more back than a pitching prospect.
Seems like the question is in two parts:
1) Would the Mets do it?
2) Is that the best they can do?
I’m guessing this would not happen.
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by achiappanza on May 27, 2011 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m basically hoping for Brandon Belt to kick ass at this point
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Me too
That along with Panda should be a big help.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions
oops
I read that as “Posada” at first. I’m better now.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, let’s hope that righties stay away from the inside fastball.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Belt is far worse than huff. Huff drank and heckled a hockey game. Belt once killed a man, just to eat him.
Donner party’d
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
i’m feeling rather pessimistic today.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Given that schedule
The Giants will decimate the Brewers, play so-so against the Cards, sweep the Rox, then get swept by the Nats and Reds.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta tip your cap to Livan Hernandez! Dude can deal!
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Somebody needs to hit like Huff 2010. Maybe two people. Probably two of them.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
The whole situation aside, that video is hilarious.
by MidKnight on May 27, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even with a 3.5 Game Loss
The Giants should still be the favorites to win the division.
I think his loss maybe impacts the team by 2.5 wins instead of 3. He was probably outperforming a bit this season so far and was bound to level off a bit from his 5.4 WAR pace.
If they were to pick up an IRod or Kottaras, or Doumit that 2.5 game effect maybe drops down to 2 wins total on the year. So although the loss is big, I still think the Giants win the division in the end.
Ivan Rodriguez isn’t better than what the Giants have right now.
I want Napoli.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I like this idea...
Is he available? I’ve heard he’s not great defensively. Are there any good defensive metrics for catchers?
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Napoli
is the Raul Ibanez of catchers. Or, if you prefer, the next incarnation of Jorge Posada. That is, he’s a DH who pretends to play a position when he has to. The Rangers have good hitters already at DH and 1B though, which is why Napoli is not playing much. The Rangers don’t want him behind the dish when they have an actual catcher (Yorvit), and I can’t see why the Giants would either, even when that actual catcher available is Eli.
by 24 Willie Mays Plaza on May 27, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
That's why I asked about defensive metrics for catchers
Is there a metric available that demonstrates that Napoli’s defensive inadequacies translate into losses? I don’t see where Posada prevented the Yankees from garnering winz.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Is Napoli still blocked by Yorvit?
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
This
Napoli is very little playing time and only playing against lefties. Do you think a trade with Texas could….nah couldn’t happen twice.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions
let's give them michael main and chris ray
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I hear Chris Ray is available
So this could work in theory.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
What do you expect he played for the all knowing Suck It Mike Scioscia, the original SIRM
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Texas has way too many catchers: Torrealba, Napoli, Teagarden (is Treanor still around?).
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
He’s on the Royals now.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year, 23 years old. This is his year.
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by free f.p. #14 on May 27, 2011 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions
Speking of bottom feeders..
What is Houston doing Trowles now days?
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions
My pokemonz!
I want him as well.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year, 23 years old. This is his year.
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by free f.p. #14 on May 27, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
David Ross or Napoli for me, depending on the price.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Ivan
Ivan’s dWAR last year at 0.8 is better than Posey’s last year (0.0) or so far this year (0.4).
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Nice work again JT
Curious to see what the Markov estimate would be if you replaced Buster with some of the rumored options out there in a trade, like Ivan Rodriguez. Is the difference between Eli & Ivan at least worth 9 runs?
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Unless you think Pudge could plausibly get back to hitting like he did when he was 25, he wouldn’t be an offensive upgrade over Whiteside at all.
ZIPS
Rodriguez .233/.269/.349 (.273 wOBA)
Whiteside .221/.276/.371 (.281 wOBA)
Defensively, I’m not qualified to say. But from my amateur POV I’ve always thought Whiteside was a good defensive catcher.
I'd take how he hit at 35
but yeah, he’s unlikely to be an upgrade
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
Seriously.
Pudge at 25 is an upgrade over Posey.
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I'm still cranky and want to get all snarky
but it’s better to just move ahead. I think I’d rather the Giants make do with the tools in box for a few weeks, at least until we see what Pablo 2011b.1 looks like.
its counterintuitive
But I don’t think we should bother upgrading at catcher, really. It would probably cost more than it’s worth for maybe a 1-2 win upgrade.
Instead, let’s get Reyes. If we lose three and a half wins at C and pick up 2-3 at SS (which you’d think would be the reyes value over some ungodly platoon of fontenot and tejada once panda is back), then we’re not in bad shape at all.
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by GiantPain on May 27, 2011 8:21 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I think Reyes is better than that
I think Reyes is worth about 2-3 WAR over the remainder of the season and Migsucky is worth -1 to -2 WAR so that’s a difference of as much as 5 WAR. Also, I have no numbers to back this up, just going with my gut and a amateur straw hat skills.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ll eat my hat if Tejada is -2 WAR over the rest of the season.
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
What kinda hat is it? A Panama?
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
That hat looks delicious!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah it’s really not as much of a sacrifice as I made it out to be.
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
CADBURY FLAKE UNF
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Straw!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I woke up with this thought
Plus, it plays into my “can I get an exciting player on my team please” angst. Belt can’t do it all on his own.
And GOD, I miss OMAR!!!
Get well soon, Buster.
I put it to you
that Andres Torres is a very, very, very exciting baseball player.
I now return you to positive comments about Omar.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
You're quite right.
I can’t believe I forgot about Andres and his amazing pants-wearing prowess. And the gazelleishness. Thanks for talking me down.
Get well soon, Buster.
Still
I want a SS. whine
Get well soon, Buster.
by Tortured on May 27, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
/ clear away peanut shells from near by seat.
of coarse I been wants this for years with only few intruptions.
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
This is my thought as well.
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Paulino or Napoli
Maybe a blockbuster trade with Reyes and Paulino but Owlcroft makes me think that it’ll take at least Cain to get Reyes.
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Id love napoli, but I hadn’t heard any inkling that he’s available.
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by GiantPain on May 27, 2011 8:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
He should be, though.
The Rangers aren’t using him.
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Isn't the giants example reason enough to keep him?
Or at least ask a stupid price for him?
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 27, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
They gave up Francisco for him, I don’t know if that makes it more or less likely they’d want to sell him again.
Unless they’ve seen enough of his performance this year to give up on him.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Reyes negotiations will go like this: The Mets ask for Belt, then allow themselves to be negotiated down to Wheeler. Then they go shopping to other teams, trying to get a better offer, but they don’t get it. The end.
I willing to give Mets Sanchez, Surkamp, and one more prospect not named Belt or Wheeler for Reyes.
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Just noticed that Dirty is a free agent after 2012. But yeah, I wouldn’t do Dirty + Surkamp for a few months of Reyes.
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by ResDog on May 27, 2011 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
much as it would pain me to give him up
I think wheeler is fair. Ugh. I like him :(
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by GiantPain on May 27, 2011 8:41 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I wouldn’t give up Wheeler. Sanchez first.
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From the Mets’ perspective, Sanchez isn’t worth all that much. A year and a half of not-cheap Oliver Pereziness doesn’t help them.
Yeah but they’re the Mets. Nothing is going to help them.
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Things look hopeless for the Mets now, but with Alderson running the show, they’re going to be dangerous.
Yes. I think Theo Epstein has proved that the combination of a good GM and an almost unlimited budget tends to result in the creation of a good team.
Mets don’t have the unlimited budget. That’s the problem
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And their ballpark is probably a destination that most FA hitters will want to avoid
Not to mention their owner who will trash talk them if they fail to become a superstar.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
132M payroll (5th in MLB) last season! And if they start getting good that has significant room to grow.
Apparently you missed this:
http://www.newyorkmetsreport.com/2011/03/02/impact-of-wilpons-financial-problems-already-being-felt/
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I'm aware of it
But it’s a short-term problem. I expect the team will either be sold or they’ll add some other investors to patch things up.
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It’s a common practice for Chinese labor camps to force prisoners to bust boulders and dig ditches, but a former inmate has recently come forward to shed some light on a little-known practice that goes on behind the scenes: virtual labor. Liu Dali spent three years in one such labor camp, and claims that after a hard day’s work was completed, he and up to 300 of his fellow detainees were forced to make virtual money in online games like World of Warcraft, for the benefit of prison guards.
The guards would then use the virtual cash for their own means, including trading it for real-world money. Dali claims he overheard guards bragging that they could make close to $1,000 a day off of the efforts of the inmates, none of which ever made its way into the hands of the workers. He also claims that certain quotas were set, and that those who didn’t raise enough virtual cash would be physically beaten.
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Marcos Breton SacBee: Giants in denial but Posey's season is a goner
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/05/27/3658124/marcos-breton-giants-in-denial.html#mi_rss=San%20Francisco%20Giants
A nice honest article that trumps the garbage coming from the Chronicle.
What
absolutely nothing to based his opinions on other than:
The Giants are gathering numerous medical opinions, but the players seem resigned that the best hitter of an otherwise anemic offense is done for 2011.
Injured third baseman Pablo Sandoval tweeted as much. “It’s gonna be hard without him,” Sandoval wrote.
I guess it would be too hard to call up a couple of surgeons and ask.
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nice work Breton
citing panda’s tweet from 7 AM or whenever it was.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
CSN surgeon video
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/video?PID=V4SZhSEJSnhkdzxkts9IHn39VfDtUcHg
The guy was on Chronicle Live yesterday and talked about Posey’s injury. I don’t usually watch this show but I wanted to hear a professional opinion. I remember him saying that it could be nine months to a year before Posey recovers enough to play again. The prospects of him catching again don’t look good.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on May 27, 2011 8:44 AM PDT up reply actions
good job
keep collecting every possible negative spin you can find!
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
The 9 months to a year were for 100% performance. He should be able to play before that but I do think it is something that should be considered. Even when he does come back he won’t be fully healthy. He still won’t be havin’ it but sometimes he might.
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WHAT?
With his .920 OPS?
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Sadly
He’s probably a better option than Miggy (better defensively)
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Perhaps time for Huff to 3B, Belt to 1B and Panda to C?
It would probably weaken the defense to have Huff at 3B and Panda at C, but they have both played those positions before at the major league level, and having Belt at 1B would improve the defense there. Overall, I think that alignment would be best offensive team for the Giants, and lord knows they need the offense now. Any of the potential Catching options is not going to be any kind of an offensive threat. Whiteside? Pudge? Bengie? Please. They may be able to catch the ball, but the Giants will be lucky to average a run per game. Something needs to be done, the pitchers can’t throw a shut out every game.
No for Panda going to C. Why would you want your best hitter to play the most demanding position that he is not a natural fit for.
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Last year aside, Panda should be the Giants’ best hitter. He hits for average and for power.
Buster is a great hitter but his value greatly diminishes if he didn’t play catcher.
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Someone suggested (jokingly) that he go to 2B. If, as Owelcroft suggests, defense isn’t as important as many believe maybe this isn’t as crazy as it seems.
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Buster moves to 2B, grows a mustache, becomes Jeff Kent. Falls off motorcycle.
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Second base seems an odd choice. Does the club of catcher-to-2B conversions have more than one member?
Probably not. To me it seems more feasible than SS and his bat should play well at a middle infield position. Kinda wastes his good arm though.
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How does his bat compare to other 3B? Then, of course, we have a Panda without a home.
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Wait, who is going to play SS then? Nate?
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
At what point in this plan does Cousins wake up with a bloody marlin head in his bed?
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BILLY THE MARLIN MUST DIE!
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
The purple would be Dino first.
& The purple would be dino second. We can talk about wich who getts it third though.
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It's not his fault! It's hereditary.
Remember his parents are cousins who married.
Science!!
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A hunting we will go….
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I would guess reasonable well. Against the mean SLG maybe a little light but 3b and 2b are spot once you get past eh top 4-5 guy there is a little ledge and a loooooooong fall to the rest of the pack.
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or 1B
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Yes!
Kamchatka is mine!
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heh
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
w/o running to B-R i vaguely think it i more then one but not a lot so. of coarse Biggo the most recent guy. And most probably are like Velez with out the Voorrrooom!
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Well, the Giants had their best hitter, their clean up hitter, playing catcher.
Granted, he got blown up doing it, but it is hardly an unprecedented concept. The Twins also have their best hitter playing catcher. Panda is not a great catcher, but putting him back there will help eliminate a black hole in the offense. And nobody is going to ask Panda to block the plate like Posey. In fact, I think we’ll never see Posey blocking the plate again. He’s just too valuable to do that.
Huff C
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Stats
I was at the game yesterday, the only thing demoralizing was watching the Giants try to hit.
Speaking of Stats… I was fascinated by watching the batters Avg on the scoreboard change immediately (whether they SO, or got a hit — once I noticed on a hit the Avg. went up before the players foot reached 1st base!).
Computers….
This article is pretty interesting
Which Sport Is Best To Take A Date? A Sorta-Scientific Study
The writer lists baseball as the best sport to take a date to.
I can attest to this…baseball is probably the best sport to take someone who is not interested in sports.
http://www.thepostgame.com/features/201105/which-sport-best-take-date-sorta-scientific-study
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I’ve heard many people say they can’t watch baseball on TV but enjoy going to a game.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
This would certainly explain
all those losers who get up during 3-2 counts, talk incessantly on the phone, or just be generally clueless as to what’s going on in the game.
Get well soon, Buster.
Makes sense
The game moves slow enough that you have time to have an actual conversation. It’s the perfect blend of entertainment and time conversation.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on May 27, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
If you want that kind of thing
go to a cricket match. Baseball is fascinating at every moment. I could write a disertation about watching Torres in the on deck circle.
Get well soon, Buster.
Whoa
Don’t hate on cricket just because you don’t get it.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
LOL ENGLAND
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
My ex was English
I get it. It’s just really hard to maintain interest when the first team gets to score 300 runs before the next one even gets to play offense.
Get well soon, Buster.
Sounds like a Zito start
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Behavior at a baseball game: A key compatibility test for a significant other. At least for me, and would probably be for anyone posting here.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
MLB Network video: Reynolds on Posey's injury
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15223525&topic_id=7417714&c_id=mlb
Reynolds: “I thought it was a good play…It’s a great baseball play all around,…”
Poor choice of words to say the least.
No
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Steve Holm?
Oh wait
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Video: Prince Fielder blasts a 486-foot home run
If anything, can we please not see something like this this weekend? Thanks.
Well
At least not until after he’s traded for Cain!
/ducks.
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Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Good thing you just pilot a tugboat!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Listening to Kruk from this morning's show....
Posey Hangover in full effect
"For science. You monster."
I would if KNBR's stupid podcast thing would work today on my phone.
It’s not really a phone app if it just connects you to the website, guys.
Get well soon, Buster.
At this point, it seems pretty clear the NL Wild Card team will come from the East (unless they beat each other up so much and the Cards/Brewers take it). So if the Giants are going to make the playoffs without Buster Posey, they’re probably going to have to do it by winning the division—which will make all their games against the Rockies and D-Backs be super-important.
At the moment, they’re 5-1 against Arizona and 5-3 against Colorado. Need to keep that up.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I think what it comes down to is that the underperformers in the lineup need to get it together. Posey to Whiteside is a huge loss, but they can begin to make up for it if some of the other guys get hotter.
Of course I’m looking at our bb-ref page and I guess offense is so down this year and most of the lineup is actually performing okay now.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Yeah, the leaguewide plummet in offense is hard to keep in mind. But the lineup has still been horrible even in that context.
The thing is, our veteran core — Huff, Sanchez, Tejada, Burrell, and Ross — as a group, those guys figure to be average-at-best hitters for their positions. Worse, really, since aging seems to be taking a greater toll than expected, and since Burrell’s not playing much.
Any plus offense was always going to come from Posey, Sandoval, and Posey. Now one of those guys is gone for most of the year (at best) and one of the others is a question mark even when he returns.
So the odds of the offense clawing its way even up to “average” seem long indeed.
I haven’t adjusted to the new offensive baseline for “average.” I see Freddy Sanchez hitting .294/.344/.406 and I think, “Not bad for a middle infielder” only to realize a moment later that, so far, it’s his second best OPS+ EVER.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Torres has been the most surprising to me
I expected him to look terrible when he got back from his injury. He has looked pretty good.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
"pretty good"?
Hot Latin Spider-Man laughs at your tepid assessment!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
*wipes drool*
Do you know what this does to us females/gays when we’re just sitting here minding our own business at our workplaces? Took my mind off Posey for all of 3 seconds!
Get well soon, Buster.
Or a BIG OMAR!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I suppose you think this is "pretty good" too!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Omar was the best defensive SS I have ever seen in a Giants uniform
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Crawford is as good with the glove as they say.
I know we need bats, but a little less clank would sure life my mood.
Get well soon, Buster.
Such a joy to watch.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions
I was just thinking about a Mole/Omar keystone combo and I think I felt something move.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL
=O
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m straight as an arrow and that even got me thinking!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on May 27, 2011 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Sanchez is just as hot.
He has a nice smile. His game face is a little scary, but not in a good way. Jonny, you’re supposed to make the OTHER guy scared.
Get well soon, Buster.
I love his smile.
He should smile more often.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
So, I was talking to one of the Official Scorers here at work, and he was telling me that his niece-in-law was the scorer at Ohio Dominican University when Sanchez went/pitched there.
Apparently he was really shy and introverted, and kept to himself at parties.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He’s struck me as self-conscious about his English skills, so maybe that loomed large in social situations like that.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He's PR
Most speak English just fine, and he seems like no exception to me. I think he’s just shy.
Get well soon, Buster.
He’s from Purple Row? No wonder he is shy.
It’s just interesting, he seems cockier than Luke Skywalker when pitching, but not so much in postgame interviews.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
For some reason — and don’t ask why — this made me think of a film montage in which one of the other players, Bumgarner maybe, promises to help Sanchez smooth out his English if Sanchez will teach him Spanish. The whole thing plays out over “Let’s Hear It for the Boy.”
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
I oftentimes wonder how some of those mound conferences go, especially with rookies. Some of those in the AZL must be interesting between kids from your homeland and from parts even Souther than that.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I suspect that's why Miggy comes to the mound.
It can’t be to know what pitches to expect. He sure acts as if he has no idea what’s coming.
Get well soon, Buster.
Eyebrows are too neat.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I get the feeling I’m the only one on here who agrees with you…
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
Speaking of the offensive downturn
I wonder how much is attributable to defense? I just noticed that over all of MLB the defensive efficiency numbers are up. The last few years it’s been at about .690 – currently the MLB average stands at .700. I imagine weather would influence that as well, so that will probably come down over the summer, but that’s still a substantial difference.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I don't know if this has been covered
But I just wanted to say that Ivan Rodgriuez is fucking terrible.
Ask me about my blog.
/force-chokes you
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
The judge inexile gives a 7.5.
You should have lead off with "I would not be too proud of this technological terror " then gone for the Force choke.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
When Posey first got hurt, I thought I wanted the Giants to trade for Pudge. Then I saw his numbers are actually worse than Whiteside’s numbers. That thought immediately went away.
But he is a " hart of the order bat!"
/ watch ’chasm ripp across floor at feet
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Too bad.
Wheeler for Pudge. Deal with it.
by Every6thDay on May 27, 2011 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Eat your eggroll!
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Haha, Hank's hatred of kids is kind of hilarious
@hankschulman
Henry Schulman
Go into my fav coffee place in MKE and there’s 20 3rd graders here doing some presentation with a microphone. THEY’RE 9. IT’A COFFEE PLACE
"For science. You monster."
So, coffee places should be like bars and not let children in?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey now
Las Vegas is fun for the whole family! I read it on a flyer someone handed me on a streetcorner there.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
He was talking about a different kind of coffee shop.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
They have topless coffe shops in teh Bay Area nowdays?
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
There’s coffee at Mitchell Brothers? I always get that confused with Martha & Brothers.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions
IF ONLY YOU KNOW
Yes, They do.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I'll give you a little taste of what the waitresses are like
Em Quyen Cafe in San Jose
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=pa.100002282318358
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
That is terrible. How do you lighten my gloom & doom mood!
/tips cap
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
The kind from the movie Dragnet with Tom Hanks and Dan Akroyd?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He took it to a new level here...
hankschulmanHenry Schulman
I like dogs. RT @kelee2487: @hankschulman kids and dogs have a knack towards following people who don’t want to be around them
2 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply
LOLBREY
Thanks for last right. Now just take a seat on the bench, please.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:45 AM PDT reply actions
Don’t mess with the king in Thailand. Seriously…it’s not a good idea.
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that was Siam
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I mean would a Siamese Cat be as creepy if it was called a Thai Cat?
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Thai Cats
Only creepy if tied to a stick and smuggled into the US.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
but there are no cats in America
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by calbearjd on May 27, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This
When I live there I had a friend who was arrested because he wadded up some money and through it at a cab driver. Problem was the King’s picture is on their money so he disrespected the king, it took some serious diplomatic wrangling to get him released.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
yeah
If you’re dumb enough to talk smack about the King while in Thailand, you richly deserve your caning.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
When arrested, the accused kept yelling, “BUT THIS IS AMERICA!”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Maybe SB Nation should change the name of this place to Waiting for Posey
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rejected titles
Frandsen Chronicles
K-Fred Landing
Bowkermania Alley
Niekro Nook
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
6 years later
Thursday, January 27, 2005
Waiting for Boof has moved!
The new site is http://www.mccoveychronicles.com.
If you are not automatically redirected in five seconds, it’s because I don’t know how to do that.
posted by G at 11:53 PM
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Some things never change
McCovey Chronicles
This is the new site. It will feature daily updates, a snazzy logo, and much more interactive features. Also, a snazzy logo. It’s the exact same idea behind Waiting for Boof, with the following exceptions:
3. You will have an uncontrollable urge to click on the ads. It’s okay. Run with that feeling. I’m sure (product or service offered by advertiser) will be of great use to you.
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The name progression is interesting
He went from “G” to “Grant” to “Grant Brisbee”.
His next intertubes handle will include his middle name.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Then 2 middle names.
Later in his life he will just sign everything “The Lamma master”.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
Grant Jeremicius Brisbee
"Campeones." - Andres Torres
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on May 27, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
meh
I’m tired of those. I look forward to some marigold fanposts.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I want to punch all of those people
With their new and refreshing takes on how the Giants can solve all their problems if only they would follow the poster’s rosterbatory fantasies.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the ones filled with despair, rage & loathing.
I’m still not over it, myself.
Get well soon, Buster.
And what about the world Lars? What would you like to do to the rest of the people in the world?
Lars: “Punch them all”
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Lars’ holiday wish?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions
I did some early morning deletings already.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
don’t over-exert yourself.
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I had to do something in the downtime between my coffee and my poop.
Currently stifling the bacon, the world.
by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Well, one of them just put up a fanpost.
Asking about being deleted!
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
In GV for the weekend with limited bandwidth, but I’m sure you already discussed Pudge. Was there grougthink on what he might cost? Or did jponrye tell me my opinion on what we should be willing to pay?
Will be in Main St (Cirillos) Bar & Grill for the gam etonight if any of you goldCountryNerds™ are around.
Thanks.
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
Sense you kinda asked
I doubt the giants’ brass gets position player upgrade that doesn’t remind us of Shea Hillenbrand. If do they are SS makes more sense to me. I don’t see Reyes or Hanley as a viable option either. To put it bluntly the cost of getting either would be chopping a couple seasons off the window this current core has of the post season.
So that leaves the Jack Wilsons of the world ( presuming the current Tajadea hitting is the apex of his dead cat bounce and the M’s hanging around 500 along with the entire AL west is a mirage). Or the Fucals ( hey the bums could very well be 10+ Gb by then and 10 games under 500. On club rumored to have issues meeting payroll a SS that gets $13mm for his final season and has spent a lot of contract time on the DL and would probably not get them Comp picks just getting salary relief could be enough for the Bums) in 5-8 weeks.
In any event I see no reason to hurry. Maybe Crawford or Belt pleasantly surprises us, enough to cobble a nice rotation of playing time at most positions.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
So Pudge has not been discussed?!
Giants 2010 in review: One Jerry Garcia bobblehead, one world championship. Questions?
I have seen enough 35+ year old cathers hitting 3-5 to last me a few more seasons. And i see no reason to think Planetriod SKull would treat Pudge simmilar to Molinia.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Not sure if this was posted on MCC previously
Brandon Belt talking about his adjustments
I realized I wasn’t comfortable in the batter’s box. I was physically uncomfortable and mentally uncomfortable. It started when I tried to stop yanking my front shoulder. I had been opening the front shoulder too much. To fix it, I overcompensated by over-rotating my upper body backward. As a consequence, I was straining my neck to look forward. My neck was hurting, and body felt out of sorts.
So I decided the key to getting my swing back was, first, to just be comfortable in the box. Keep my body relaxed. Stop thinking about my mechanics. Just feel comfortable.
As soon as I got comfortable in the box, the minor mechanical adjustments I had to make just came to me. When I was over-rotating, I couldn’t really fix the other mechanical problems. My body wouldn’t allow me to. So when I got physically comfortable I was able to make those other tweaks and everything started falling into place.
Since my first game with Fresno on April 23, I’ve hit .458 with 8 RBI and 2 homers. I’m 8-for-14 over the past four games.
When you get back on track, you get that feeling back of, "I’m out here having fun playing ball.’’ You get that confidence back. And you’re able to do things you’re not able to do when you have no confidence at all. It’s just a totally different mindset.
The confidence at the plate has helped in the field, too. I’ve been playing outfield here, a position I’ve never played regularly. I was a pitcher and part-time outfielder in high school. Didn’t play it at all in college. And played a dozen or so games in the outfield in the minors last year. I don’t feel too bad out there, though I’m not where I want to be yet. When you’re playing corner outfield positions, the ball slides away from you a lot and it’s hard for me to remember that sometimes. And I’m learning how to play the ball off the walls a little better. But you learn that stuff the longer you play the position.
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I hope that was as of yesterday cuz
Against AAA LHP: .222/.333/.370 with 14 Ks in 27 ABs
April: 400/.556/.800 in 20 ABs
May: .321/.448/.457 in 81 ABs.
I want to believe but…
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I want to believe this
But after watching him, I thought his problem was pitch selection. Obviously, there is nothing wrong with being selective, but I think he got into his own head and looked for walks rather than a good pitch to drive.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
This
He needs to understand that borderline pitches can be hit. Just ask Panda
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But
wasn’t Panda told to go talk to Bonds about when not to swing? We have enough hackers on this team already!
Get well soon, Buster.
I think there is a difference
I am not saying he should be swinging at pitches that bounce (LOL NADS) or pitches that hit you (LOL NATE), but something on the corner with 2 strikes is not something you should take hoping for a favorable call from the umpire; especially when you are a rookie.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
This
especially when you are a rookie.
When you are a rookie, borderline calls will go against you. That being said if you’re looking fastball 3-2, and the pitchers dumps a back-door breaking ball on the outer half that you think is borderline, take it. But especially when Bonds was other-worldly he hit a lot of balls for dingerz.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
When you are a rookie, borderline calls will go against you.
Is there any actual evidence for this assertion? I don’t think I’ve ever seen any.
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I don’t know that anyone has ever done a study, but there are many umpires who subscribe to the theory that rookies don’t get borderline calls, much in the same way that guys like Maddux used to get an extra inch or so on the corner.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
While I’m familiar with the Maddux effect, I’m somewhat skeptical of the rookie-bias due to the possibilities of selective memory. I mean, one of the oft-repeated things about strike zones is that during long games, umps will expand the zone. Though not a flawless study, there seems to be little evidence for that assertion.
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Yeah, it could just be a theory, however, the one you refer to about umps expanding the zone during not long games, but extra innings games is the opposite of what I’m familiar with. I’ve often heard said that umpires will start shrinking the zone to force pitchers to come in during extra inning games, but that they’ll expand the zone in blowouts to get them over with quicker.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Panda is obviously an extreme (i.e. Vlad) but Belt looks at too many borderline pitches and then has to go into 2-strike protect mode too often.
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And is then forced to swing at borderline pitches.
Does “protect mode” really affect his swing early in the count? Perhaps he needs to talk to Freddy – seems like he’s always working 2 strike counts.
Get well soon, Buster.
No
but look at slapsy’s comment below. He keeps waiting for the perfect pitch and it’s 2 strikes before he realizes it.
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But what about the elusive "good at bat" you people are always nattering on about?
Do we want him to work the count or not? If he’s the only one willing to do it, I say yes.
Get well soon, Buster.
IMO..
A good AB is looking for a pitch/location and putting a good swing on it, while taking pitches out of the zone.
Taking hittable pitches is folly, not sound strategy.
Yes, I know
But it seems like people say “good at bat” if someone takes a bunch of pitches and then pops out. Working the pitcher is a good thing in and of itself.
I’d rather have a hit, but if it’s all you can get, work the guy to get into the bullpen.
Get well soon, Buster.
So you’re okay with some one who takes 5-6 pitches per AB but hits .150 has a OBP of .250?
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No
I said I want hits. (See my comment on approach below.) I was just commenting on how many people use “good at bat” as a kind of consolation prize argument for keeping guys in the lineup. It does have one good thing going for it, which is getting pitchers out of the game.
I also think that since so many current Giants are hackers, discouraging a ROOKIE from looking at pitches is bad strategy. Just don’t expect him to get it right immediately.
Get well soon, Buster.
meh
if that strike is wear you can’t square up on it not so much folly. Just saying 1 strike better then 1 or more outs,
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Yep. The strike zone and a hitter’s hot zone are not congruous. Before two strikes a hitter (at least a ‘professional’ hitter, to use a much reviled term) should be looking for a certain pitch in a certain location and be disciplined to that pitch, even if it means letting a strike go by.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hear ! hear!!
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
seemed like Belt was passing on hittable pitches assuming there’d be a better pitch to hit later in the count, but those pitches are few and far between at the MLB level.
I thought hitters were supposed to have an approach.
Which means, pick one of the pitches this guy features and look for it. Only go for pitches you know YOU can hit. Not just a pitch that might hit the zone. How many first pitch popups are on “good pitches” that the batter really wasn’t ready to hit?
Or am I delusional?
Get well soon, Buster.
you're not delusional..
I’ve been under the impression that hitters look for pitch/location and protect with 2 strikes. Maybe i’m off on my assesment.
On the other hand
If we wants to turn into the modern day version of Mike Hargrove with a bit more speed and power for a few less BB’s I’l take that and ask foor seconds.
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Just because...
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by howtheyscored on May 27, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
So are any other teams doing this ridiculous all-star alliance thing?
Or is it just Giants/Red Sox?
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Is there any data to say that the FANS are actually doing this idiotic thing?
Why the Red Sox? Who decided this? It’s stupid.
Get well soon, Buster.
I have no idea.
No on I know has voted “the ticket”, but never underestimate the stupidity of the general public…
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IIRC, TicketSquid voted for “the ticket”
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
It would suck to be partnered with Tampa Bay
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by Murray, Present on May 27, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
ANDRES.
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Why Grant of coarse!
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Buster
If Vince Carter, Grant Hill, and Yao Ming can be 10 time All-Stars, why not Buster?
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by Murray, Present on May 27, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
This is so sad
I was really looking forward to the all stars spoils. The Giants got robbed in 2003 because Dusty left and now the injuries are screwing us.
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by RichHerreraHomer on May 27, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Timmy, Cain, Wilson for sure.
Vogelsong as an all-star!
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Vogelsong!??!??!
Actaully the more i think about it the more I like the Volgelsong idea. He keeps this up another 2-4 starts and a A.S. would seem very in line to me.
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by daveinexile on May 27, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I kind of really, really, really want that to happen.
And at the moment it’s not ridiculously far fetched. With the all-star game we’re talking results and current performance, not FIP or LOB% or any of the other stuff we’re worrying about the rest of the time. Vogelsong is currently one of 6 starters in baseball with an ERA under 2.00. He’s thrown less innings than most starters of course, but still.
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The person who really got robbed is Panda...
I was looking forward to undoing the Charlie Manuel crime from 2009.
Someone nobody seems to be talking about as a potential Posey replacement is
Jesus Flores of the Washinton Nationals. He is struggling right now in AAA after coming back from injury, but he does have some major league success. Probably won’t cost much considering the Nationals have Pudge and Wilson Ramos currently blocking him.
I would love to see the Giants take a flier on Flores.
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Yes, they are done in slow motion and the wires are removed in post.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, here's a funny headline from today's Las Vegas Review-Journal!
See, ’cause you could read it as meaning Pablo…
…
We’ll never laugh again.
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Maybe he DID write that Twitter correction the other day.
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To tell the truth, reading that tweet in context with his others was unnerving. It’s all Pablo, and then whatever dark power seized his account to write that frighteningly unemotional correction. I just hope the big lug is okay.
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Maybe Bengie lent him his blogwriter.
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by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What happened?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Thursday morning, Pablo tweeted, “Good morning I feel so bad because we lost buster for rest of the season it’s gonna be hard with out him.”
Two hours later, another tweet appeared. I don’t have the exact wording on me, but it was a highly-proficient, corporate sounding excuse like, “I may have misspoken and its turns out that the party of the first is not concordant with…”
Now it appears his account is gone.
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He had some trouble a few nights before too
Where he tweeted something about wanting a bedtime story to sleep.
It seems silly to delete the whole twitter over that.
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It seems paranoiac to say, but I think someone on high got to him. And I agree, it was over nothing.
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Pablo’s tweet was:
“Talking further within our team, I might have misspoken and hopefully Buster isn’t out for the season”
Certainly sounds like someone told him to retract his earlier tweet.
I agree. The syntax isn’t Pablo-esque. Someone else typed that.
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Buster no out for rest of season. Sorry.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
See, now that I could have believed. But something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
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It is the Danes!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
LOLutefisk
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by natteringnabob on May 28, 2011 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw a headline on mlbtraderumors
that but for the teams being mentioned, could have been pretty interesting.
[Team] Acquire Paulino From [Other Team], DFA Tejada
The teams in question, of course, were the Royals and Rockies, not the Giants. Ah well. Hope, thy name is fleeting.
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Sign the get well card!
http://getwellbuster.mlblogs.com/2011/05/26/9/
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Thanks
Just signed it on behalf of my son.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I tried to sign it yesterday
and kept timing out. I hope he actually goes and looks at it. Although my guess is that right now, he’s on some heavy drugs. Broken bones hurt like hell, and the pain should be ramping up about now.
Get well soon, Buster.
I wondered about that, but as of yesterday, he was apparently up and around. In fact, the Chronicle‘s front page carried the first image of him I’ve seen since the collision.
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My broken arm was only a couple of years ago, so I remember it pretty well. The pain started to ramp up a couple of days afterwards and was pretty bad for about a week and a half thereafter. Then it was fine, just weak, and very stiff once out of the cast.
Get well soon, Buster.
Certainly. I don’t mean to imply the man is turning cartwheels, and “up and around” was perhaps a poor choice of words. He was indeed ambulating with the aid of crutches, but that was on his way out of an examination. I would imagine that unless it is absolutely necessary, he’s not going anywhere for a while.
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I just hope they give him something better than vicodin.
They told me not to take ibuprofen, but it was the only thing that actually worked for the pain. For me, Tylenol is a sugar pill and vicodin only made me woozy. I like to be conscious.
Get well soon, Buster.
Maybe I missed it, but did anyone else post this:
http://veteranandrook.mlblogs.com/2011/05/26/bittersweet-return-brandon-belt/
Nice little blog from Belt about coming back to the big leagues under weird, sad conditions.
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Wow
not the point of the post I know, but the travel coordinator just jumped in his own car at 3 in the morning and drove all the way to Fresno to pick them up? That seems pretty f-ing cool to me. Good on you, sir.
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by free f.p. #14 on May 27, 2011 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
This is such a great era to be a baseball fan.
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Everybody knows the golden age of baseball occured in (years I was in my adolescence).
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The late 70's/early '80's?
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
this
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year, 23 years old. This is his year.
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by free f.p. #14 on May 27, 2011 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Listening to Peter Gammons from this morning on KNBR.
He’s saying that lack of sliding/baserunning skills is bad for the league and it’s why people want to keep football plays at the plate. It’s much easier to barrell through there than to learn to slide.
Get well soon, Buster.
Heh.
@magelb: Wilson Valdez’s hat from the 19-inning game is going to Cooperstown. Take that, career .610 OPS!
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Keenan Cahill and Lou Seal at the Giants game at Wednesdays game(sad night)
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=15204597
During the 7th they lip-sync “Dynamite” by Taio Cruz. Warning, you can hear Renel announce Buster’s name for the first batter of the inning. Sad.
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Now for something different
Here’s a stat nerd question:
There are currently two players in the majors with an OPS under .700 but a wRC+ of 100 or higher.
Who are they?
I’ll give a hint after a few incorrect guesses.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
No
But you’re thinking the right way.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
This was going to be my guess as well.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, realized that. Also, where the hell did Jack Cust’s power go? .322 SLG?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It was actually diminishing before that.
Compare his 2009 and 2010 seasons with the A’s.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
Yeah, I know. But a .245ish ISO for two seasons running seems hardly flukish.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Perhaps your personal MVP, Jack Wilson?
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No no
By any metric, Wilson sucks at hitting.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
It would have to be someone with a high OBP & low slugging in a pitcher’s park, probably in the AL. Ichiro, maybe.
Dustin Pedroia?
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Soooo close
Pedroia’s wRC+ is at 99.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Hint on the second player:
GiantPain was recently mocked for his admiration of this player.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Sensof Humorington!
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by TheLetter2 on May 27, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Well I know it wasn't Jack Wilson
Migsucky?
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
No, but I’m getting the feeling it’s someone on the Pads.
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Another good guess, and in the correct line of thinking
But he’s actually pushed his OPS above 700.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Oooh! I looked it up and figured it out. Definite stat-community fave.
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Conestoga Wagon?
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I looked it up
so I won’t ruin it for everyone else. But it is very interesting, and not a name I would have guessed.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year, 23 years old. This is his year.
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by free f.p. #14 on May 27, 2011 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Pedro Feliz!
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That could be anyone though
Since we are all Pedro Feliz.
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by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Hint the last:
He’s playing one of the most premium defensive positions.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Jeff Conaway
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by NuschlerFace on May 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Too soon
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
He was an excellent dancer as a young man, yes.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions
He seemed so miserable in life that I view his passing as a blessing.
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by NuschlerFace on May 27, 2011 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions
It’s a tragic tale to be sure.
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Drew?
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
He's hitting .252/.320/.377
With exactly a 100 wRC+
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Interesting
In the wake of Buster Posey’s potentially season-ending leg injury, the San Francisco Giants are to be without the best position player in their organization and will likely miss the playoffs. The NL West is perennially wide-open though and the Giants could still find a way to compete with the talent they have in their pitching rotation. Before the Giants can even begin to dream about defending their World Series title they need to address their void at catcher. This is where the New York Yankees and their catching depth comes into play. Could the San Francisco Giants call up Brian Cashman and the New York Yankees in their attempt to fill the shoes of the injured Buster Posey?
Jesus Montero
The New York Yankees’ number one prospect is a great option simply because of the plus potential he has with the bat. Would that be enough to make up for his lack of defensive ability? Probably not, but the Giants sorely need a bat in the middle of their lineup now and are not really in a position to wait around for a perfect replacement. In 2012 when Posey returns, Montero could move to first base and Brandon Belt can settle into the outfield. Montero isn’t an ideal replacement (again, who is?) but his offensive potential is something that the Giants could ride for the remainder of this year and build around in the future. He’s the best option for the San Francisco Giants.
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To put things in perspective.
Montero has been so good with the bat in the lower minors that his value in a trade probably exceeds that of Belt and Wheeler combined.
If Cashman is dumb enough to ship him away for less, and I’m sure he’s not, then Sabean would jump all over it.
Adoptive father of Jose Casilla.
Montero is having a crappy year, though.
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only by his standards
For most catchers, .308 / .343 / .417 in non-PCL AAA would be pretty damn good!
8 BB vs. 37 K isn’t so great, though.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
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I’m not trying to say that he sucks, just saying that his stock is probably a bit lower now.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
We have a plethora of first basemen.
I think we get a bat somewhere else and let Eli handle the staff. He’s not Buster, but he’s better than any alternative I’ve heard of.
Get well soon, Buster.
Handle the staff is the key.
The devil you know is always better than the devil you don’t know.
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Fixed
ThedevilLasorda you know is always better than thedevilLasorda you don’t know.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Indeed
Remember how long it took Tim to get used to BUSTER? Can you imagine him dealing with Pudge? shudder
Get well soon, Buster.
Where can I download this?
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Tim had a pretty good July
He sucked in August, but that had nothing to do with Gerald D. Posey.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the Yankees are about to trade their good prospects when all of their late-30s veterans are beginning the “crash and burn” phase of their professional careers.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
They really don’t have a lot in the cupboard at all.
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
I want 45 seconds of my life back
Russell Martin
I have to mention Martin because he would probably be the best short term solution for the Giants
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually he would be
I would love if the Giants could acquire Martin but that would be next to impossible.
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We probably should have tried to acquire him in the offseason.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
He never would have come to the Giants. He wanted to start and market himself.
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I'd laugh.
From ‘SIRM’ to ‘SURM’?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on May 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
The big point being overlooked
The Giants front office would NEVER trust him to handle the staff at this point in his career.
"I give up that lead-off double, well, who cares? I'm about to get nasty." - Brian Wilson
Bay City Ball: Why the Giants Shouldn’t Acquire Ivan Rodriguez
http://www.baycityball.com/2011/05/27/why-the-giants-shouldn%e2%80%99t-acquire-ivan-rodriguez/
Short answer: No, on all fronts.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on May 27, 2011 12:33 PM PDT reply actions
I’ll only read it if it has graphs!
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 27, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
bad cross-examining
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Duh, I should have just read the title and be done with it.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on May 27, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Xanthan
Once again tackling the obvious. Next up, “Why the Giants shouldn’t stick needles in their eyes!”
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Even the Western Front? It’s all quiet there.
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Say what?
In June 2009, an announcement was made that All Quiet on the Western Front will be remade. The cast, crew, and director will be announced before the film’s shoot in late 2012. The remake is scheduled for release sometime in 2013 with Daniel Radcliffe starring as Bäumer
I can think of no one worse to cast.
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Michael Bay is a great choice to direct, though!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Too bad he didn’t get to direct the Great Gatsby.
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The unblinking eyes of Doctor T.J. Eckleburg
BLAST THEIR FIERY LASER BEAMS DOWN ONTO THE CAR NO THE EXPLOSIONS WHY NO WHY
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’s better that they don’t know what it’s like to watch their offense.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Oh!
@extrabaggs
Andrew Baggarly
Here is Buster Posey for you: He reached out to Giants PR and asked to set up conf. call w/beat writers today. What a kid.
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on May 27, 2011 12:43 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
He is going to announce his 2012 presidencial candidacy
Posey 2012 – Catch The Wave!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions
There are no no waves in baseball
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Economic Collapse?
He aint having it.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
WOULD ANYONE CARE IF ELI WHITESIDE ASKED TO SET UP A CONFERENCE CALL WITH BEAT WRITERS???
/Jeff Passan
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
by Kitspool on May 27, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Jeff Passan
has been a giants hater for as long as I can remember. Last year he picked the Giants to lose in 4, then 4, then 5. ALSO, I wonder why people aren’t allowed to comment on his “articles” HMMM?!?!?
by WeBelieveInEllison on May 27, 2011 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions
No one anywhere should be allowed to comment on any internet articles.
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
LOL GRANT!
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
SUCK IT BISBEE
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Well
Blog posts exempted I guess.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I hope this is going to be a re-creation of FDR’s “Day of Infamy” speech.
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80 degrees every day.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
with humidity!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
This makes me happy.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
Chris Haft / MLB.com: Position switch not imminent for Posey
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110526&content_id=19624406&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
Has Bochy quotes. Says Posey still going to be a catcher but that could change as he gets older.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on May 27, 2011 12:45 PM PDT reply actions
LOL BELT
SFGiants San Francisco Giants
Tonight’s lineup in MIL:Torres cf, Sanchez 2b, Burrell lf, Huff 1b, Schierholtz rf, Tejada 3b, Crawford ss, Whiteside c, Lincecum
At least Stew is not starting either… that would have been harsh!
Who is pitching for the brau? LHP?
/sigh
They really did bring him up so he could sit on the bench. Holy fuck.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions
BORK! BORK!!
and be late inning defsive replacement for Burrell!
BORK! BORK!! BORK!!!
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Seriously WTF???
Bochy guarantees that McC forgets to be happy that Burrell is starting.
Get well soon, Buster.
lol
but seriously you know this is comeing. Years watching Bochey handle near 2 WAR players of mixxed ages shows it.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Bruce Jenkins is masturbating furiously right now!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Okay, he’s masturbating in a positive frame of mind right now.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions
At a medium pace
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on May 27, 2011 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I mean, Huff's at bats were easily the worst recently of all the Giants
He has looked worse than Tehaha. WORSE. THAN. TEHAHA.
Fuck…
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Thus Bond must be used to reduce Nate’s playing time!
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
same goes for Belt as well.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
Crawford!
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still not black
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Wrong Giants.
Fortune favors the lucky.
by BusterHomerun on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Scouting report
A big, lefty-hitting shortstop from UCLA, Giants’ prospect Brandon Crawford had an illustrious career with the Bruins, starting each and every of the 179 games the team played during his tenure. He hit over .300 each year, helping to lead the Bruins to the NCAA Tournament each season. As a Giant progeny, he’s struggled somewhat to find his stick, but he’s young and hard-working enough to improve. He might not stick at short, but as long as he can continue to grow, he should be able to slide into at least a utility role sometime in 2012 or 2013.
http://www.scoutingbook.com/players/p2643
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i have a feeling that Crawford is going to be the new popular Giant among the casual lady fans
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Yeah, that picture is flawless
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’m trying to decide if he’s too perfect. Those eyes seem to hit the uncanny valley.
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I’m thinking he is. He looks waaaayy too pretty
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
by hautecouture on May 27, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Looks much better below with all that nasty facial hair trimmed away.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed.
"What happens in the broadcast booth stays in the broadcast booth." Randy Hahn
"Pity is the drug of quitters" Drew Remenda
by hautecouture on May 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
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He’s a Flying Squirrel!
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that’s the pic from the four letter…it’s the official one.
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TWHS
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
LIFE SIZE PHOTO
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Noonan is the prettiest white middle infielder in the org though
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
So
Apparently the Giants organization are drafting people based on looks…well with the exception of Belt.
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I think Belt is cute!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I mean he's no Freddie Freeman
but he is not an attractive man.
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i think he looks better in motion than in still photos
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He looks alright when he's not flashing that goofy grin.
Fortune favors the lucky.
by BusterHomerun on May 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
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He has funny lips
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I like him better when he’s singing for the Melvins.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
HEY
No making fun of our new starting catcher!
Besides, the gray hair is very dignified!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I didn’t say anything!
Fortune favors the lucky.
by BusterHomerun on May 27, 2011 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Eli is sexy!!
and the most under rated player in baseball.
Over
by cybermaldonado on May 27, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian: SUSAN! I just read that book about the freak across the bay. CurrencyBaseball or whatever.
Susan: Hm, who let you have a kindle?
Brian: Anyway, the point is, being a good GM is all about doing what the other GMs aren’t, right?
Susan: Well, Brian, no, not if it’s -
Brian: And in the book, Billy says he’s NOT trying to sell jeans, which I think means his players are unattractive, right?
Susan: Well, yes, Brian, you’ve grasped the metaphor, but I don’t think -
Brian: So we’re going to have the most attractive fucking minor league system this side of fire island!
Susan: Oh, no, Brian…
Brian: PRINT THE CHECKS!
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by GiantPain on May 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions 8 recs
hahahahaa
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian: PRINT THE CHECKS!
Can’t stop laughing at this.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I realize too late
Brian would have said “uggo’s”, not “unattractive”.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Reminds me
of Rich Aurilia.
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I just want him to catch the fucking ball and not do anything stupid with it once he has have done so.
Hitting a little bit would help as well. He doesn’t have to be great.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 1:27 PM PDT up reply actions
again
wrong Giants
Fortune favors the lucky.
by BusterHomerun on May 27, 2011 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Let's go Eli!
I would like to take this opportunity to say: go get’em Grayside!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoa. Crawdad.
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
+20 stam!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
LOLBELT
LOLINEUP
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on May 27, 2011 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm still as big a doubter of Crawford as you'll ever find
But, really, I don’t like Burriss either, and Crawford is SHINY NEW TOY.
I’m excited to watch him.
And hey, Burrell is in the lineup! Baby steps, people!
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I am cautiously optimistic that Burriss can be a non-horrible backup IF that can also pinch-run well.
/starts every day at 3B for next year
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
ZiPS: .226/.288/.341.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year, 23 years old. This is his year.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on May 27, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Better than Tejada
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
The bottom half of that lineup might be considered a black hole.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Almost
But only if the very center were called something other than a singularity.
Whiffalarity?
Hackalarity?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
wow, so many things wrong with who Bork decides to play everyday. Don’t even know where to start.
I’ve pretty much lost interest in whether they win or not, because they are not a top tier team anymore without Posey. And especially when you consider Bork is still not even putting his best team out there.
Now it’s just for the LOLs.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on May 27, 2011 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions
They're shitty.
I AM SICK OF THIS CHAMPIONSHIP DROUGHT!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
They're not bad, they're just not a great team anymore
and baseball just got a lot less fun to watch.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on May 27, 2011 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions
They weren’t a “great” team last year.
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Let me rephrase- this year was so much fun because for the first time in forever it seems, the Giants had a complete team that could compete with the best (and winning the World Series was just the pinnacle of that). I was really looking forward to seeing what that team could do over 162 games. Sure, we got hit by injuries, but nothing serious like Posey or Timmeh. I dunno, I’ve just kinda lost some of that fandom which is directly related to the loss of Posey. It’s just devastating.
I’m just gonna take a break from baseball for a while, and spend more time with my GF. After all, I am gonna be a dad soon. Maybe reading some books and taking some classes will be a better use of my time.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on May 27, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
CRAWFORD!!!
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington: 25.1 IP, 17 BB, 29 K, 1-1, 3.55 ERA, .193 BAA
M-M-M-M-Mad
Mad to the Bum
by TimLaser and MattyC on May 27, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
So do you think Grant can pull himself up out of his funk
long enough to give us a series preview?
Get well soon, Buster.
Fuck this noise
Marcum is going to destroy us.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Interesting
Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Nap canceled! Writing this up for BP . . . RT @fantasy411: #Tigers Acquire David Purcey from #Athletics in Exchange for Scott Sizemore.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I always liked Sizemore
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
I have a thing for middle infielders with an .840 OPS in the minors
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
So what do the A's do about Ellis now?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
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OT: Good news for many of us here!
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LOL MISCH!
Mets designated LHP Pat Misch for assignment.
It’s the second time he’s been designated for assignment this season. He’s likely to clear waivers and be assigned to Triple-A. If R.A. Dickey needs a trip to the disabled list, Misch would be an option to come back and replace him.
I always kinda liked him.
Ask me about my blog.
I always thought he had a t in his name: Mitsch
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That was a Mischtake on your part.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Misched opportunity, frankly.
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LOLineup
LOL Belt
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
LF Burrell
1B Huff
RF Schierholtz
3B Tejada
SS Crawford
C Whiteside
P Lincecum
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Buster says he is out for the year...
extrabaggsAndrew Baggarly
Just got off phone with Posey. He says he’s almost certainly out for the year, but is 100 percent committed to returning as a catcher.
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goddammit
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year, 23 years old. This is his year.
Co-dad of Ryan Scoma with waelwulf, because we're progressive like that.
by free f.p. #14 on May 27, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, not a news flash IMO.
Thank you Buster for taking the time to share actual information with the writers, and thereby us.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I think we all already knew this. I’m glad he doesn’t want to move off catcher.
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I really like the idea of him being able to (hopefully) have a normal off-season to get ready for 2012.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Damnit.
We already suspected this, but it hurts more now that it’s confirmed
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by hautecouture on May 27, 2011 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster is not fond of Cousins
extrabaggsAndrew Baggarly
Posey said he doesn’t want to villify Cousins, but felt he left him a lane. “He chose to come at me.” Feels MLB should look at those plays.
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It was a stupid, false hustle type of play. He would have been better served by sliding.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I still think that if it's legal for the runner to just run right into the catcher
then the catcher should be allowed to kick the runner in the face. Fair’s fair.
Fortune favors the lucky.
by BusterHomerun on May 27, 2011 1:53 PM PDT up reply actions
He should then be able to take the bat from the on-deck circle and beat the back side of his head till his brains come out his ears.
That’s how the cavemen did it, and who are we to mess with tradition. /Jenkins’d
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m picturing a JCVD-style drop and punch to the balls.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
This got me thinking of it in martial arts terms, and I’m surprised catchers don’t try to just swivel out of the way at the last moment (in fact I think it would be possible to ‘accidentally’ trip the runner with the right footwork). I think a runner who has his mind set on running over the catcher is unlikely to be able to tag the plate. I wish I had thought of this while I was still playing.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
We used to have to practice exactly that move! With a better roll out, but still… at one point I could clear a six foot high obstacle.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. Whiteside needs to hipflip a motherfucker.
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:(
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Just got off phone with Posey. He says he’s almost certainly out for the year, but is 100 percent committed to returning as a catcher.
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:(
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I still remain hopeful for September and October
by The Franchise on May 27, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah.
He’s obviously got to prepare himself for the worst. We can still hope.
by wearingmyrallythong on May 27, 2011 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions
This is pretty sweet
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Any time I hear about HP now, I only think about this.
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by Soulbrother16 on May 27, 2011 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions
A glimmer of hope?
(Out for the rest of the year? Is that how you’re looking at this?)
I think we’ll know more once we do some surgery but it’s pretty … highly likely I probably won’t be back from what I’ve been hearing.
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For those who want to see the whole interview
Buster Posey says he’s likely out for the year but "100 percent" committed to catch again — plus his thoughts on the Cousins hit
Posted by Andrew Baggarly on May 27th, 2011 at 2:01 pm | Categorized as Uncategorized
This tells you all you need to know about Buster Posey. Despite being in near constant pain, he reached out to a Giants PR official today and asked him to set up a conference call with the three traveling beat reporters who cover the team. We just got off the call with him.
The most important points: He’s almost certainly out for the season, he is 100 percent committed to returning as a catcher, he hasn’t talked to Scott Cousins and doesn’t really know what that conversation would accomplish other than making him feel better.
Posey also said while he didn’t want to "villify" Cousins, he "had a choice to slide or come at me, and he came directly at me." Posey would like MLB and the MLBPA to look at plays like this and possibly make a rule change. He said he feels fortunate he only ripped up his leg, and didn’t sustain some kind of back or neck injury that could’ve put him in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.
Here’s the whole interview:
I want to say how appreciative and grateful I am to all my teammates, fans of the Giants organization and everyone for all their support. I’m just talking to family and friends, and I’mhearing from so many people.
(How much pain are you in?)
Yeah. Yeah, I’m pretty uncomfortable, it’s tough to get from place to place. If I’m just sitting, still immobilized, I’m OK.
(Met with doctors today?)
No I haven’t seen any today. Met with one yesterday. One tomorrow probably.
(What do you remember from the play?)
I just remember the way the ball was hit, I figured there would be a play at the plate, especially with Nate’s good arm, and I just remember almost feeling I went to my right a little to catch the ball and it skid on the grass. I tried to come back toward the plate and he (Cousins) was on top of me. That’s pretty much all I can remember.
(Did you know immediately something was seriously injured?)
Yeah, you know what, fortunately I’ve never really been injured before. I was in a lot of pain. I was keeping out hope it was a sprain or something.
(When do you realistically hope to return?)
I feel with the Giants organization and our trainers, I feel I’m in good hands. The most important thing is to come back from this 100 percent and not have any issues down the line. I don’t think there’s a set timetable but I think the rehab process is definitely going to be done the right way.
(Do you fully intend to catch again?)
Yes, 100 percent. No question.
(Have you watched the replay and what do you think – clean hit or not?)
Yes, I have watched the replay. … Well, I mean, I think with today’s game, I think it … I don’t think he did anything illegal. So yeah, it’s kind of … I don’t know, it’s a tough one to answer. He didn’t do anything illegal, but looking at the replay, I think there was probably a lane to slide.
I want to make this very clear: I don’t know Cousins, I’m not out to villify Cousins in any way whatsoever. It happened and it’s over with. But the main point I want to get across is a play like that is something that’s gotta be looked at by Major League Baseball and the Major League Baseball Players’ Association because, and this might sound dumb, but I feel fortunate I’ve just got a torn up leg. As a catcher, you’re left in a very exposed position when you catch the ball and have a guy bearing down on you as hard as he can. I’m fortunate I didn’t come away with a neck injury or a spinal injury. It’s tough to be in a good position when the play happens so fast.
(So you are speaking in general about plays like this?)
I just mean in general. That’s something that’s been up for debate. I think you can ask a lot of catchers. You’re exposed. And to make it clear, I’m not saying that specific play. I’m saying all plays in general. If you’re completely in front of the plate, camped out, the runner doesn’t have a choice. But I feel Cousins had a choice to slide or come at me, and he came directly at me.
(Have you talked to Cousins?)
I haven’t talked to him. I know he called the first night to check in. but I haven’t talked to him.
(Will you?)
I don’t know if it really matters. If it’s something that would make him feel better … I can imagine if I was on the other end, that would be just about as difficult to know that a play you were involved in has more than likely put somebody out for the rest of the year. But again, I’m kind of indifferent, I guess.
(Out for the rest of the year? Is that how you’re looking at this?)
I think we’ll know more once we do some surgery but it’s pretty … highly likely I probably won’t be back from what I’ve been hearing.
(Is it potentially career threatening?)
Career? I haven’t heard that from one person, no.
(What are doctors telling you now? What kinds of information and opinions are you gathering?)
Just looking at all the different options that we have. It’s going to be important that it’s done right. It’s gong to be a long road to recovery but something I do believe I will be able to fully recover from.
(How is your state of mind?)
Honestly, that’s a funny question because right now I’ve just been in a lot of pain, and I’ve been just concentrating on being comfortable for the most part. I know with my personality, once some of the pain subsides, it’s going to be tough on me just to sit. But for now I’m just concentrating on feeling good.
How is he even real?
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I don't think he is
he used “vilify” in a sentence, which Baggs appeared to misspell.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions
‘viliphy’
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions
God he's amazing.
Get better, Buster. Take the good drugs for the next couple of weeks.
Get well soon, Buster.
Are there any backup catchers out there who bat left handed?
So we could platoon?
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Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Definitely Agent Ned
An NL executive who could benefit from Posey’s absence was rattled by the catcher’s injury because he’s good for baseball, according to EPSN.com’s Buster Olney.
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Not all THAT different from my own belief that a healthy Posey makes the rivalry better.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on May 27, 2011 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, I mean, if he wants to step down and let me run the team, I could use the job.
But aside from that? No.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on May 27, 2011 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Hi, Ned!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions
about a rule change...
So I read all over ESPN and other websites the debate about whether buster was blocking the plate or not. Some feel that if a catchers shoestring in the baseline is considered blocking while others feel that if the runner can slide through the on deck circle and reach out with his left hand and touch home then it isnt blocking. I think this should be the starting point for any rule change. Here is my suggesting, feel free to destroy it.
Define a “no blocking box” I would call it the catchers box. In the case of a non-force out at the plate the catchers body (all parts excluding arms) must be outside of the box. maybe it would include the 6 inches in front of the plate and the right handed batters box. If the catcher enters this part of the box.. the play results in a run regardless of a tag.
That defines the catchers part.. As for the runner… Runner must slide and as much as reasonable possible must avoid contact with the catcher. If the runner doesnt follow this they are out.
Maybe someone else might have a better way to define the “no blocking box” but I think thats really where the discussion has to start.
Yes Cousin was legally able to blow up buster but that kind of play is only really supposed to happen when you dont have a lane to the plate.. a no blocking zone would explictly define that zone and lane.
Any thoughts?
Make the runner slide like every other level of baseball
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yes, I say that the runner must slide in my comment. I also dont think its fair for the catcher to block the plate with his leg or body if the runner cant get to the plate with a slide. just define where the catcher can defend the plate from. have them set up in the left handed box or in front of the plate(like buster does).
Sorry…missed it. The sliding thing will eliminate 99% of the issues.
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You are 100% correct. If you really think about it though, the reason collisions even began was because catchers blocked the plate with their bodes to give them a few more seconds to get the ball. i dont feel like that is fair to the runner either.(relative to the other bases.) The idea is that if you insure a path to the plate. Then there is no need to have a collision.
my thoughts
my first impression on the play was that Posey blocked the plate without the ball. In slow mo, though, it was clear that a wide lane was available to the runner, and that he went up the line a bit in anticipation of the blocked plate—which never happened.
So, to try an legislate around this seems like an exercise in futility, and/or, a path towards more game interference, a la replays, arguments, fines, and suspensions.
Best case, seems like an opportunity for the players to self-regulate or modify their behavior for the good of the game and their union.
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Actually, Posey was not in the base line. He was standing in front of the plate on the infield grass/dirt area.
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like I said in my post
all the arguments start at whether buster was blocking the plate or not. If you remove the grey area on what is blocking .. then say dont block and you must slide and collisions to get to the plate dont happen.
simplest rule change seems best, and should apply at all bases
One, the fielder is part of the base. If your leg is in front of the base and the runner touches it, he is safe. This immediately reverses the motivation to block any base: if you block, it is easier to be safe, not harder. Not only no incentive to block, strong incentive to stay out of the way. The only thing you should put in the runner’s path is the tip of your glove holding the ball. Helps with half the problem.
Two, stringently enforce already existing interference rules. If the runner does anything that remotely resembles anything other than attempting to make his base safely, call him out. Hard slide to break up dp? Out. Veering slightly out of the baseline while thinking about whether to interfere with the catcher in a few steps? Out. Helps with the other half of the problem.
So, one very simple rule change to minimize blocking, one enforcement change to eliminate violence.
’Tain’t perfect, but if I wanted to watch athletes try to hurt one another I’d be a boxing and football fan.
You know
the other part of this that no one is talking about concussions in baseball. As screwed up as Buster’s leg is…it’s a good thing that it was a brain/concussion injury (as Buster himself said).
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A small silver lining in a horrible situation
It seemed like Buster had taken more than the typical share of very hard foul tips off the face so far this year.
As bad as this injury is, I am glad that Posey’s skull will be getting a break while he recovers.
Watching Mike Matheny’s career-ending brain damage was heartbreaking, could you imagine if that happened to Buster?
I imagined it that day they pulled him from a game and he sat on the bench looking a little dazed.
I’m rooting for Whitey, but if they got another C that would actually tempt them to rest Buster more regularly, I’d be pretty happy.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Optimized lineup using the Baseball Musings tool with 2011 stats (MLEs for Crawford)
1. Burrell
2. Torres
3. Crawford
4. Schierholtz
5. Sanchez
6. Whiteside
7. Huff
8. Lincecum
9. Tejada
That lineup would average 3.477 runs a game. This team is not very good at hitting.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I wonder what it would look like using ZiPS RoS's
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I’ll get on that shortly.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Lincecum has no projection on Fangraphs, so I used his career numbers
1. Burrell
2. Huff
3. Sanchez
4. Schierholtz
5. Torres
6. Whiteside
7. Tejada
8. Lincecum
9. Crawford
This lineup scores 3.953 runs per game.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I thought that was a comma. 3,953 per game?
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by NuschlerFace on May 27, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
the team has averaged 3.469 runs a game so far this season
Adopted Giant: Jacob Dunnington: 25.1 IP, 17 BB, 29 K, 1-1, 3.55 ERA, .193 BAA
M-M-M-M-Mad
Mad to the Bum
by TimLaser and MattyC on May 27, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions
gives you an idea of how bad Huff is.
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by giant4life83 on May 27, 2011 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions
note
Lincecum batting 8th!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I figured the “Tejada is worse than the pitcher” was a given.
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by giant4life83 on May 27, 2011 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Actually
All optimized lineups will have the pitcher batting 8th.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Stop sensifying my nonsense you!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 27, 2011 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions
The reasoning, of course,
Is that generally, the top of your lineup is pretty good. So it makes sense to have someone who will be on base more often than a pitcher batting in the 9 spot so that he might be on base for your good hitters.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
So when is Pablo coming back??
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by hautecouture on May 27, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions
1 week? They said 2 weeks a week ago. It’s all up to his threshold for pain.
I doubt he would go on a rehab assignment considering how dire the straits are right now, that, and he is also more of a “see ball, hit ball” kinda guy, so idk what a few games in AAA would do for him. I might start watching again when Pablo comes back, but right now the Giants are just depressing to watch.
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by giant4life83 on May 27, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Bay area ties!
SFGiants San Francisco Giants
#DidYouKnow Brandon Crawford is a BayArea kid? Born in Mountain View, graduated from Foothill HS in Pleasanton #SFGiants
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For some reason
I read that to say born in Mountain Dew.
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His mother gave birth in a huge vat of Mountain Dew. It is said the bubbles help the birthing process. Plus, they tingle the unmentionable areas.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, hey, I have a friend who goes there.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
My pet peeve
People ask me if I knew so and so because that person also went to Cal.
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Don't all you hippies know each other?
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you know Joe Kapp?
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by NuschlerFace on May 27, 2011 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Can you ask Jason Kidd if he has any extra nba finals tickets? Thanks!
Boo
by LosGigantesTodoElTiempo on May 27, 2011 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Actual conversation I had last night
GUY: “Where are you from?”
ME: “Alabama.”
GUY: “Oh! My sister lives there!”
ME: “Where?”
GUY: “(NAME OF CITY)”
ME: “That’s up in the northern part of the state. I grew up near Birmingham.”
GUY: "Well, I don’t visit her that often, anyway.
ME: “Oooooookay…”
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
I do this all the time, because I have a terrible sense of humor.
“I grew up in Pittsburgh.”
“Oh, cool! Did you know a guy named Aaron?”
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh
SFGiants San Francisco Giants
#SFGiants are in stretch of playing 20-consecutive days without an offday- longest such stretch of season
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Bad timing!
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by hautecouture on May 27, 2011 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Crawford is not remotely ML-ready
but I’m really excited to see him play anyway.
by Lies and Perfidy on May 27, 2011 2:59 PM PDT reply actions
Ecto Cooler and Big League Chew.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I wonder if Huff is up to his usual hazing practices
or if his slump plus the Buster horror have taken the jackass out of him.
Get well soon, Buster.
LOL
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/5/27/2193955/giants-brewers-series-preview
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http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/5/27/2193955/giants-brewers-series-preview
by Grant Brisbee on May 27, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
I want to know where the serious preview is.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It should not be considered a "clean" play if you launch yourself into a defensive player to separate them from the baseball.
ESPECIALLY if they’re not directly in front of you.
And these are my realizations when I’ve already CALMED DOWN!
Nobody has brought this up yet so I guess I"ll take a stab at it
If there is one silver lining to this injury, it is that I think it will be easier / cheaper for the Giants to sign Buster Posey long term after next year.
Now the flip side, of course, is that the risk has gone up for the Giants as well.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 27, 2011 3:12 PM PDT reply actions
That rover is a shitty camera operator. RULE OF THIRDS, ROBOTIC INVADER
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions
When I was a production supervisor at a public access station I used to hassle the interns about their framing all the time…
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by Johnny Disaster on May 27, 2011 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions
New thread....
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/5/27/2193955/giants-brewers-series-preview
And because it’s almost gametime, I’m a gonna open up the GameThread at the verrrry start of the game.
"the bottom line is that we're looking at about three wins lost with the absence of Posey."
Yes, we knew that. The calculations were posted.
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![From SFist: Buster Posey's Summer Vacation
Note the pile of dead Marlins.
At the Q Restaurant in the Richmond:
George [the artist] tells SFist: "I am currently at work with the fine folks at Q Restaurant and Wine Bar, who have allowed me over the past few months to make use of their largest wall for themed murals. This month, with our beloved Buster Posey sent. . .to the DL. . .I felt it appropriate to send him some well wishes from all his fans at the eatery."](http://cdn1.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/202096/busterart_2_small.jpg)
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