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minor lines, 5/23/11

Monday highlights from the Giants' farm: Hector Sanchez hits 3 HRs; Gary Brown had four hits, including a pair of doubles; and Andrew Kown and Mike Kickham allowed just 1 ER in 6.0+ IP.  Also notable, Ryan Verdugo had 10 K, Brett Pill homered while walking twice, and Ryan Scoma homered and doubled.

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AAA: Fresno defeated Oklahoma City 7-5
(after leading 6-1 through seven innings)

Fresno: CF Tyler Graham: 1 for 2, 2 BB, SO, CS
Fresno: SS Ryan Rohlinger: 1 for 3, 2B, BB
Fresno: 1B Brett Pill: 1 for 1, HR, 2 BB, SF
Fresno: LF Brandon Belt: 1 for 3, HBP

Fresno: SP Andrew Kown: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--1 WP
Fresno: RP Henry Sosa: 1.2 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 1 K
Fresno: RP Marc Kroon: 1.0 IP, 1 K

Pill, who had his 6th HR, and Graham both reached base three times as they combined for four of the Grizzlies' six walks.  Belt and Rohlinger both reached base twice.

Kown had his fourth quality start in five May starts.  After beginning the month with an ERA over 5.00, he has brought his ERA below 3.50.  Sosa's struggles continue.  Kroon pitched a perfect 9th inning for his 10th save.

AA: Richmond lost to Erie 6-3
(after trailing 2-1 through six innings)

Richmond: SS Nick Noonan: 1 for 4, HR, BB
Richmond: CF Juan Perez: 2 for 4, SO, CS, E

Richmond: SP Ryan Verdugo: 6.1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 2 ER, 2 BB, 10 K--2 WP
Richmond: RP Alex Hinshaw: 0.1 IP, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB--1 WP
Erie: SP Casey Crosby: 6.0 IP, 7 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 3 BB, 5 K--1 WP

Noonan had his 3rd HR.  Perez was one of three Flying Squirrel hitters with a multi-hit line.  Both Noonan and Perez have now a .250 AVG.

Verdugo had a season-high 10 K as he pitched into the 7th inning for the first time as a pro starter.  Both earned runs charged to his record scored after he left the game as Hinshaw, who relieved Verdugo, walked three of his four batters.

Crosby, who is one of the Tigers' top ten prospects and who missed nearly all of last season, continues to pitch well in his bounceback season.  In two of his eight starts, he has allowed 5 ER both times, but in the other six starts he has allowed just 6 ER combined.  He has an ERA below 3.50 despite a BB/IP above 0.50.

A+: San Jose defeated Stockton 12-9

San Jose: CF Gary Brown: 4 for 5, 2 2B, 2 SB
San Jose: 2B Ryan Cavan: 3 for 5
San Jose: DH Hector Sanchez: 3 for 5, 3 HR, 2 SO

San Jose: SP Zack Wheeler: 4.0+ IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 6 BB, 5 K--1 HR
San Jose: RP Jake Dunning: 1.0 IP, 1 H, 1 BB, 1 K
San Jose: RP Jose Valdez: 0.2 IP, 2 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 1 K

Sanchez had perhaps the biggest game of any Giants farmhand this year as he homered in the 5th, 7th, and 8th innings.  He now has 8 HRs this year, including 7 HRs in May.  His "slash" stats are .313/.331/.563 through 144 AB.  With four of the Giants' seventeen hits, Brown further raised his AVG to .378.  Cavan added three hits to raise his AVG to .287.

Wheeler began with 4.0 scoreless IP before not retiring any of the four batters he faced in the 5th inning.  He retired just half of his 22 batters faced.  He had his third straight start with a new season high for the number of walks issued.  His BB/IP ratio is now approaching 0.60.  Dunning, who has a 6.55 ERA in seven starts, made his second relief appearance of the year.  Valdez retired just two of his seven batters in the 9th inning.  His ERA rose to nearly 8.00.

A-: Augusta defeated Charleston 11-6
(after leading 10-1 through four innings)

Augusta: 2B Carlos Willoughby: 2 for 4, BB, SB
Augusta: 1B Ryan Scoma: 2 for 5, HR, 2B
Augusta: CF Chris Lofton: 2 for 3, BB
Charleston: CF Slade Heathcott: 3 for 5, 3B, SO

Augusta: SP Mike Kickham: 6.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 2 BB, 8 K
Augusta: RP Seth Rosin: 2.0 IP, 4 H, 4 R, 3 ER, 2 BB, 1 K

Among five GreenJackets' with two hits each, Scoma had his 4th HR and 10th double.  His big fly was a grand slam in the 4th inning.  Willougby and Lofton both reached base three times, raising their respective OBPs to .393 and .357.  Lofton has hit .275 in May (in 51 AB) after hitting just .179 in Apri (in 56 AB).  Heathcott, one of the Yankees' top ten prospects who recently gained some infamy for his brawl with an opposing catcher, had three hits to raise his AVG to .315.

Kickham's third pro start was his best yet--his first start without allowing an earned run.  Perhaps not coincidentally, the start included new highs in most other major statistical categories too with 6.0 IP, 4 H, 2 BB, and 8 K.  He has been hard to hit with twice as many strikeouts as hits (18 K vs 9 H in 15.0 IP).  Rosin scuffled in his first relief appearance after seven starts this year.

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Hector Sanchez: I believe

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by Giant Fan in Singapore on May 23, 2011 11:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Hector Sanchez: believing since 2009

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?

by Lyle on May 24, 2011 2:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hector Sanchez: Believing since May 23

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by NuschlerFace on May 24, 2011 8:11 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

One thing about Sanchez

Is that, at least to me he didn’t look fat. He wasn’t Mr. Universe and he’ll need to monitor it but he didn’t look like Bengie

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by Gobroks on May 24, 2011 3:00 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Smart move – the RF foul line is only 320 feet from the plate in that park.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm getting excited for Brown

If he can get on-base at a decent clip he could lead the MLB in runs batting ahead of Sandoval-Posey-Belt.

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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 23, 2011 11:28 PM PDT reply actions  

It’ll probably be good timing with Torres too.

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by Soulbrother16 on May 24, 2011 12:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

A Giant leading the league in runs? Bwa-ha-ha! That’s a good one!

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by Roger on May 24, 2011 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Even better...

…a Giants leadoff hitter leading the league in ribeyes!!

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by Lyle on May 24, 2011 6:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

You only get the steaks if there’s a runner on base when you’re batting. Brown will have to hit a lot of inside-the-park HRs to keep his RBI numbers up in SF.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

That was an attempt at humor. Not succesful, I see.

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?

by Lyle on May 24, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Much like my spelling…..

Baseball players are smarter than football players. How often do you see a baseball team penalized for too many men on the field?

by Lyle on May 24, 2011 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

One of his two stolen bases, was on a pitchout.

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 24, 2011 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's embarrassing

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by quincy0191 on May 24, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

I took a "long lunch" to catch a few innings on the San Jose vs. Stockton game

and I do mean a few innings, I was there for 2 hours and saw 4 innings, it was quite a slow game. I saw the first of Sanchez’s HRs. Brown has really impressed me as a hitter today and last week when I saw him in Modesto, he always gives you a good at bat, works the count and he smoked at least four different balls in the 2 games I saw. Tommy Joseph made a nice throw on Crumbliss’s steal in the 3rd, he didn’t get him obviously, but a quick unload and a good throw. There were more scouts there than I have ever seen at a minor league game, which probably has a lot to do with it being a midday weekday game, there were several Giants scouts (one of whom was sporting a beautiful World Series ring).

Wheeler struggled with his control even more than he did last week in Modesto. In Modesto he was consistently missing down, while today he was missing all over the place. He wasn’t ridiculously wild (throwing balls to the backstop and such) but wasn’t finding the strike zone. I was snooping on one of the scouts radar gun and he was 91-93 all day hitting 94 several times. He threw about 90% fastballs (just an estimate, I wasn’t counting) and the breaking balls he did throw weren’t very effective. A lot of his fastballs still had that heavy downward bite on them that he relies on, but not as consistently as his fastball did in Modesto.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 23, 2011 11:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Good stuff

Thanks for the report. Too bad the middle innings took so long so that you couldn’t give us your impressions of Hembree. What were your impressions of Ryan Cavan’s defense at 2B and how did Jarrett Parker look at the plate?

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

yeah, I missed a lot of good stuff, and I was really hoping to see Hembreee. Hopefully next time they come through Modesto/Stockton (if he isn’t in Richmond by then). I only saw Cavan really tested on one play at 2B, Gilmartin’s infield single in the 3rd was a broken bat grounder deep into the hole that Cavan made a nice diving play to get to, other than that he got some routine chances and handled them well. I only saw 2 ABs from Parker, the first one was a weakly hit ground ball up the middle in the 4th that should have been a double play, but he did well to beat out the back end of it, and showed some decent speed scoring from first on Tommy Joseph’s double. His single in the fifth was a nice clean swing, he took it right back up the middle. I don’t remember much about the number of pitches of he saw or impressions of his plate discipline. He is skinnier than I thought, especially in the lower half, probably some room for growth. Probably the best at bat I saw (forgot to mention this in the first post) was a great inside out swing from Brown in the 6th inning, taking an inside pitch and lining it the other way for a double down the line, very quick bat.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 24, 2011 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Gobroks was at the game as well, and he stayed through the end. He’d be able to give you a first hand impression of Hembree, albeit a brief one, since Heath wasn’t out there long.

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by Roger on May 24, 2011 1:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Roger mentioned this yesterday or the day before about Wheeler and his BB rate.

It is worrisome. I guess I don’t have to be in as big of a hurry to get down there to see him pitch as I had thought.

by capn on May 24, 2011 6:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

It really has only been a problem in his last 3 starts. In his first 5 starts of the year he put up a very nice BB/9 of only 3. In his last 3 starts it has ballooned up to 9.2, although in one of those 3 starts (in which he walked 4 during a televised game) it was widely reported that he was being squeezed the entire night by the plate umpire.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 6:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

corrected
he put up a very nice acceptable BB/9 of only 3

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Wheeler...

Adam Foster of projectprospect.com fame just posted his in-depth review of Wheeler from his May 11th start in SJ. It’s long, but well worth the read:
Wheeler on PP.com: http://projectprospect.com/article/2011/05/23/zack-wheeler-scouting-report

Bottom line: Wheeler profiles to be at least a #2 SP in the majors with 2 plus pitches (FB, CU), but he needs to learn better control of all his pitches. Foster also highlights what he says is a major flaw in his mechanics that is likely to lead to an arm injury in the next 5 years.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oops

It looks like somebody has already made a fanshot on the Wheeler/PP info:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/5/24/2187431/project-prospect-zack-wheeler

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

As an aside

Tommy Joseph is the catcher in the Wheeler video. Just watching him in the clip one can see that he has a ways to go to be a decent defensive catcher. He stabs at the ball with his glove way too much, instead of allowing it to come to his glove. It’s the difference between being able to frame a pitch for your pitcher and not being able to. It also is the difference between moving your feet and lower body to get the his body in front of the ball and cut down on passed balls and wild pitches.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was there too! One interesting play that happened

In the 3rd inning Stockton had the bases loaded with 1 out. Wheeler got the hitter to foul tip the ball into ToJo’s glove to get the K, but he dropped it. Next pitch was an easy 4-6-3 to end the inning

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by Gobroks on May 24, 2011 2:55 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I’m getting kind of tired of people attempting to predict injury risks…

by boonitez on May 24, 2011 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

my amateur impression of Wheeler after seeing two starts is that the raw stuff is certainly there but he has a long way to go in refining it (not surprising for a H.S. kid in the Cal League). He needs to be able to locate the fastball better and work with the great natural downward movement that he puts on it. I didn’t see him throw many effective breaking balls over the two starts, he threw a couple of very nice curves in Modesto but didn’t use it as much as one would think for what is supposed to be his most effective offspeed pitch. His slider seems like it could have potential but he has a long way to go in commanding it. I think he will spend the whole year in San Jose, that would seem to be the most prudent approach.

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 24, 2011 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

i was out there too

wrote up some observations and posted some crappy video here (read my crappy blog)

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by delorean on May 24, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

THERE IS NO WAY I CLICK THAT LINK.

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by Johnny Disaster on May 24, 2011 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

I clicked and read and commented – still alive.

From the clip that delorean posted it looks like Wheeler was struggling with his control throughout. I only saw 1 pitch where he came close to hitting Joseph’s initial target. I’d chalk it up to an off day, because I couldn’t see anything different or off in his mechanics from the May 11th game.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Oh that reminds me of something I forgot to mention

Wheeler’s wind up is very deliberate. I’m not sure if that’s good or bad, but it was noticeable

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by Gobroks on May 25, 2011 12:27 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

It always has been. I don’t see it as any problem at all. What I don’t like is the hesitation as he starts his forward motioin.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2011 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

good post

Inman was sitting right behind me and the whole time I was doing one of those “God, I know that guy from somewhere!” things

by FluLikeSymptoms on May 24, 2011 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

What did you think of Crawford’s bat and defense?

BTW, I voted for Rendon.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defensively he made a nice jumping throw to turn a DP

Offensively I don’t remember much standing out, I do think he got a double though.

And FWIW I would take Rendon too, but I’d really tempted to pop Starling. But in the end his rawness and commitment to Nebraska (IIRC he recently said “Nebraska is what gets me excited”) would steer me to Rendon

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by Gobroks on May 25, 2011 12:25 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Jonathan Wheeler?

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by Soulbrother16 on May 24, 2011 12:25 AM PDT reply actions  

Questions of Defense

Sanchez’s contact ability has been evident since his DSL days and his sudden power surge makes him even more exciting—even in the Cal league. Does anyone have a read on his defense?

Pill, obviously, is a first baseman historically, and is reportedly a plus defender at the position (right?) But this year he’s played quite a few games at 2nd. If his defense is any good at 2nd it definitely makes him more interesting, has anyone seen him or heard anything?

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by Keenlow on May 24, 2011 12:54 AM PDT reply actions  

Sanchez is definitely still learning things behind the plate. His reactions have been a bit slow, but he’s improved from last season. He’s definitely behind where Posey was when he was in San Jose. That said, Sanchez’s arm is one of the strongest ones I’ve seen as a catcher, and he’s accurate with it.

I have yet to hear reports on Pill at second.

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by BruteSentiment on May 24, 2011 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

Reportedly, he has all of the tools to be an above-average defensive catcher. He has quick feet, soft hands, and the cannon arm, but he just needs to put in the work to get all 3 working at the same consistently good level. He has some of the Panda-disease in that he has the tendency to let himself go physically, get soft through the middle, and gain weight even during the season (which is hard to do for a catcher). The one thing that I’ve never seen reported on for him is how he calls a game and handles his pitching staff, but I imagine that he still needs a lot of work in that area. I believe that the fact that he’s been platooning with Tommy Boy behind the plate the last 2 seasons (and getting the lesser percentages of the starts between the 2) has hindered his development defensively.

His declining BB-rate in the last 2 seasons is quite worrisome, expecially when patience at the plate was one of his better attributes during his first 3 seasons in the minors. He’s hitting .313 this season, but his OBP is only .333 due to his paltry BB-rate of just over 3% – a number that looks especially bad when paired with his alarmingly high K-rate of almost 22% this season. On the plus side, he’s still on 21 years old and won’t turn 22 until November, so he has time to work things out.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 6:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

wow that walk rate is horrid

by capn on May 24, 2011 6:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

True, but the BB- and K-rates are coming with an ISO of .250. The power development is very, very encouraging.

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by tedfordfan on May 24, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

I saw Pill at second in one game

obviously, small sample size (that’s not what she said), but he was not very good at the position. Belt was also struggling in left field.

by joe t on May 24, 2011 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

i believe that both sosa and hinshaw will be outrighted at the break

man….i feel bad for both those guys…but right now, they are just not cutting it

by bacci40 on May 24, 2011 1:05 AM PDT reply actions  

BTW...

Hector Sanchez is good.

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by BruteSentiment on May 24, 2011 1:05 AM PDT reply actions  

Where Is Charlie Culberson?

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by Mordy From Monsey on May 24, 2011 3:30 AM PDT reply actions  

He's been nicked up

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by Giant Torture on May 24, 2011 4:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Noonaned up?

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by Lyle on May 24, 2011 5:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Tweaked a hammy – he should be in the lineup today.

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 24, 2011 6:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Biggest no-brainer out there

DFA Affeldt, bring up Kroon. The clock’s a tickin.

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by Giant Torture on May 24, 2011 5:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Way too soon to give up on Affeldt. Not to mention that he is still tradable despite how poor he’s been pitching this year. LH relievers with his history and relatively young age are in high demand.

A much better plan for Affeldt would be to invent some nagging injury for him, send him to the Scottsdale camp for rest and to work on his mechanics, then give him a nice long minor league rehab stint (all 21 days) in SJ and/or Fresno to regain his form and confidence where the runs he allows won’t matter.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 5:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Although they tried that last year and it didn’t work. In general, I’d agree that Affeldt was a tradeable commodity, but his contract makes that less likely I think. He’s paid an awful lot for an ineffective middle reliever. However, I still think the assumption that Marc Kroon would be some kind of major league wunderkind is founded more on a wish and a prayer than it is solid fact.

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by Roger on May 24, 2011 6:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

+1

I thinkt that he pitched significantly better when he came back from the minors last season. Of course, it would have been difficult for him to pitch much worse. Also, I agree that the Giants would probably have to eat some of his salary if they wanted anything m ore than slop in return, although the longer the season goes on the more his remaining salary becomes entirely palatable. He’s only due $4.5M this season (whith a $500K buy-out option), so by the time the July tradewinds heat up he’ll only be owed about $2.7M.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 6:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

At this point

It’s hard to imagine dumping Affeldt for Kroon would be a downgrade.

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by quincy0191 on May 24, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're right that you may be able to trade him, but it's time to get rid of him.

Affeldt has not looked good for almost an entire year at this point. Yes, he is left handed so you may be right that he’s tradeable for something if they’re willing to eat some contract, however I don’t think sending him down with an invented injury is the right thing to do. If he gets shelled down there his trade value will be zero, but at the end of the day I think it mainly comes down to the fact that he’s just not needed. With Runzler and Lopez you already have one more LOOGY than most other teams have, and Runzler really is more than a LOOGY.

Last year Affeldt’s ERA+ for the season was a replacement level 99 and this year it’s at 66. He also was extremely lucky in 2009 in that even though he had a BB/9 of 4.5, a strand rate of 86.4% mixed with a .250 BABiP helped him to post a 1.73 ERA. He’s not necessarily a bad LOOGY, just an unnecessary one and not much more than a LOOGY at this point, and unfortunately a LOOGY that’s not too tough on left-handed hitters. I think it boils down to a basic question though: from this point of the season on who would you rather have, Affeldt or Kroon? For me that’s an obvious no-brainer, it’s Kroon.

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by Giant Torture on May 24, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Affeldt is much better than he has been, but naturally much worse than his 2009 ERA. Since he is expensive, he is untradeable. Since he is no more a 6-RA pitcher than a 2-RA one, he should not be released. I like Kroon, too, but I don’t think he will be Ryan Madson, just another high-3s arm. However, Kroon is free, and one of Ramirez or Mota probably has real market value right now.

by wcw on May 24, 2011 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

You make a good point

It might be best to shop Mota or someone else for a utility infielder or to help bolster the farm system, I think it would depend on what the market looked like for those guys. Also, I think you’re pretty bullish on Affeldt. His stuff has looked very, very flat to me and I don’t know that he’ll be able to turn it around. Still, since I agree that he’s probably untradeable, I would DFA him.

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by Giant Torture on May 24, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I kind of like Mota's LR ability

Though it will be less helpful after Zito comes back and either he or Vogelsong becomes the LR. Still, Mota hasn’t pitched since the 13th; is he suffering from Romo’s? Gotta get him out there if he’s going to be traded.

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by quincy0191 on May 24, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why not Affeldt as the LR

Since he can’t seem to get out of an inning without at least giving up a few runs, put him in to eat innings in garbage time.

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by Giant Torture on May 24, 2011 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

He's a great mop-up guy

But then, any pitcher who does nothing but suck is a great mop-up guy. Long relief isn’t the same role; I want Mota in there when Sanchez is at 95 pitches after 4 2/3 but has a lead (or it’s close), and the bullpen is beat up so he can provide 2-3 innings of solid relief. Sure, Affeldt can pitch in games like that Cubs disaster, but we need someone for what happened in Arizona when Zito hurt himself and obviously Mota is far better suited for that than Affeldt.

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by quincy0191 on May 24, 2011 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

they’re not going to DFA Affeldt, but it’d probably be wise not to use him in critical situations for the foreseeable future.

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by nostocksjustbonds on May 24, 2011 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

He needs innings to regain his form – send him to Fresno on a rehab assignment.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree it's probably not going to happen

But if they don’t plan on re-signing him—which they shouldn’t—it basically boils down to who would you rather have from now until the end of the season: Kroon or Affeldt? Given that they already have Runzler and Lopez and could lose Kroon in about a week, they should let Affeldt go and/or trade him.

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by Giant Torture on May 24, 2011 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

a friend of mine is a Brewers fan. he said they dont have any lefties in the pen right now. They have anything intersting worth trading?

by ELOOIE on May 24, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not really, but Affeldt makes $5m. I’d trade him for a decent B- middle infield prospect, call up Kroon, and use that money on in-season help or international FAs or marketing or really anything useful.

by wcw on May 24, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Affeldt only has about $3.6M owed to him on his contract, and the amount is dropping every day.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

And if the Brewers pick up all of it and send pretty much any B- middle infield prospect, I call it a win if we can still bring up Kroon. I just don’t think it happens: the only Kroon-up trade scenario that works now if if someone swoons for Ramirez’s numbers this year and offers a B+ prospect or better.

by wcw on May 24, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d pick the whole thing up if they could get a B prospect. They’re already going to spend the money anyway, might as well have something to show for it.

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by Giant Torture on May 24, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

They signed one yesterday I believe.

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by Roger on May 24, 2011 1:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Whither Dunning?

Having Dunning pitch just 1 inning and only 4 batters last night was a very curious move. If they are putting him back in the bullpen permanently, then why only have him throw 1 inning when he came in in the 5th inning. He hadn’t pitched in 5 days, so he was well-rested and easily able to throw several more innings. If they were just using him as a stopgap to rest a depleted pen then pitching him for 1 inning the day before his next scheduled start doesn’t make much sense either.

The Giants don’t have anybody available to take over Dunning’s scheduled start today, unless we’re going to see Mike Main or Jorge Bucardo come off the DL for the start. Mike Kickham would be a logical guy to take over a starting spot in SJ soon, but he just pitched for Augusta last night, so he won’t be available again for another 5 days.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 6:33 AM PDT reply actions  

I think he’s starting tomorrow.

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 24, 2011 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

His normally scheduled start would be today. If they backed him off 1 day to allow him to pitch 1 inning last night then that would make sense of the strange scenario. I wonder who they found to go today?

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Scheduled day off

…no change in the rotation.

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 24, 2011 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to Joe Ritzo’s twitter feed, Dunning has been moved to the bullpen because of his struggles. Andy Reichard is going to replace him in the rotation but not this time through (they’ll use today’s off day to skip that turn in the rotation).

As for only using him 1 inning, he sounded like he was struggling a bit in his inning as well. Didn’t really show up in the box score thanks to the double play but his command didn’t sound very sharp.

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by Roger on May 24, 2011 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

That also doesn’t solve the problem, because Reichard is already sitting in at Mike Main’s spot (which comes the day after Dunning’s). What he must have been saying last night is that they’ll skip Dunning’s spot due to the day off today and continue on with their normal rotation for their next 6 games. However, since their next off day is June 8th, come next Tuesday they are gong to have to find a replacement for Dunning’s spot that’s not Reichard, or they’re going to have to go to a 5 man rotation. I’m guessing that last night was Kickham’s last start in Augusta and they’ll promote him to SJ to take over Dunning’s spot. The only other explanation that I can come up with is that Bucardo or Main are ready to come off the DL to take Dunning’s spot.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should have linked the tweet. The Kickham notion would be intriguing. But the Main idea might be closer to it, as Ritzo also noted during the game that Main was throwing in the bullpen at one point during yesterday’s game.

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by Roger on May 24, 2011 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks

We’ll have to wait a week. The suspense is killing me.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

We’ve all got it wrong. According to Ritzo’s tweet Mixon will start for Reichard/Main tomorrow night, then it will be Marte, Heston, Westcott and Wheeler in the next 4 games. That means that Reichard is free to take over Dunning’s spot next Monday if Main or Kickham aren’t ready.

How long until we see Mixon in Augusta so that he can complete the reverse 4-bagger of all the Giants’ full-season affileates this year?

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh, reverse 4-bagger is bad.

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by Roger on May 24, 2011 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

I suspect that since the Giants are using six-man rotations with their lower minors affiliates, when the team has a scheduled off-day, they end up skipping one of the starters and have that starter pick up a few bullpen innings to keep the other starters working on no more than five days rest.

by steve S on May 25, 2011 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually, both of the 2 lower-level affiliates have been keeping the rotation intact even with the off days and the injuries- just like the big league has done.

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by Fla-Giant on May 25, 2011 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bobby Evans said on Sunday that he was due to come out of the XST camp in Scottsdale any day now (either to SJ or Fresno). He went down there to rehab his sore right shoulder, and Evans said that he has been pain-free and regained his strength in it for over a week.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 6:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

Since no one has mentioned him...

VERDUGO!

He’s a grounder through the legs and a strike throwing bullpen away from a scoreless outing.

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 24, 2011 7:03 AM PDT reply actions  

See below

We were typing the same thought at the same time

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Verdugo!

Another really encouraging start for him last night – the longest of his short starting career. He was able to pitch into the 7th inning on only 97 pitches and still get 10 K’s. He was very efficient – 62 of his 97 pitches for strikes. If he can do anything close to that on a consistent basis then he has to be considered one of top 3 pitching prospects in the entire system – and not that far away from being a major league starter.

Both of his 2 “earned runs” allowed last night scored when he was out of the game and Monell threw the ball into CF on a double steal attempt by Erie. Not only did that allow Verdugo’s runner on 3B to score, but when JCP threw the ball wildly in an attempt to catch the runner going to 3B that allowed Verdugo’s 2nd runner to score.

He’s been able to put up quality stats so far this season despite boasting an unlucky BABIP of .340. Keep an eye on his K/9 and BB/9 numbers. If he can keep the former above 9 (he’s currently at 9.7) and the latter below 3.5 (he’s currently at 3.5), while averaging over 5 innings per start then he’s a keeper.

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by Fla-Giant on May 24, 2011 7:06 AM PDT reply actions  

I have been very happy with Verdugo’s conversion. He’s no longer featuring the near-40% K rates he did as a reliever, instead sitting around 25%, but he also has the best walk rate of his career despite jumping to double A with very little seasoning in high A. I would like to see the walks come down below 10%.

by wcw on May 24, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think the conversion to starter has helped...

…He may be ramping it down a little, knowing he has to survive 100 pitches. This may have led to some better command. I wonder if Giant Torture has made it to a Verdugo start yet?

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by Smotheredinhugs on May 24, 2011 8:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’d love a scouting report.

by wcw on May 24, 2011 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Among starters

I’d say Verdugo is easily the #3 prospect in the system, behind only Wheeler and Surkamp, although a month from now I could see Kickham being in the conversation. Other than that though, the Giants minor league starting pitching depth is yikes.

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by crazedcrustacean on May 24, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

BUCARDO!

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by quincy0191 on May 24, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

If he were healthy, then yes, but he hasn’t pitched all year. Anyone know the extent of his injury?

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by crazedcrustacean on May 24, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Intrigued by Sanchez, but surprised by his .017 isoD.

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by jponry on May 24, 2011 7:20 AM PDT reply actions  

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