Morning overflow thread: Bochy's take on Romo/Lopez/Wilson
Previous thread was getting wonky. From Henry Schulman:
Bochy's explanation for that move: "I hadn't used Willie the whole road trip. I didn't want something to happen with him not in there." In other words, you win with your best and, if you have to, you lose with your best. That's why Lopez faces the big lefties in the eighth, and why Wilson was called to face Uribe.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 19, 2011 9:14 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah
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I’m going to be in Disneyland so I’m bringing a radio. I’m going to have to listen to the Dodgers broadcast. You think I will be able to get it there?
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 19, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably
But Vin Scully, that’ll be rough.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
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Which reminds me of the time that Pee Wee Reese….blah, blah, blah….boy, how about that.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Scully is an absolute surefire hall of fame broadcaster and probably a national treasure. That said, he’s now a fairly doddering old man who repeats himself over and over and over and over again. It’s time, Vin.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions
doddering old man who repeats himself over and over and over and over again
What’s Tolbert’s excuse?
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Then Wilson should have been called in to get Kemp.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM PDT reply actions
What?
The idea was that Bochy thought Romo could get Kemp out and end the 8th so that Wilson can come in for the 9th.
Romo failed in getting Kemp out and Bochy became concerned that Romo didn’t have his best stuff and did not want to have Wilson standing in the bullpen with the lead gone.
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How is he supposed to have his best stuff
When he only pitches once a week, and then only to one batter.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Meh
I understand you have taken a position on this and feel like you have to defend it. To be perfectly honest, I don’t care about that. This is just my take on last night.
If Bochy felt Romo did not have his best stuff, then he shouldn’t have been out there in the first place. And I think that Romo has enough of a track record to let him try to get a guy (Uribe) who we have all seen is vulnerable to sliders and more than willing to chase out of the zone.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Okay
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I still don’t get how your “Romo is underutilized” meshes with the “pull him after a single!!” sentiment. It seems somewhat disingenuous to me.
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IT’s like weather v. climate.
One is about last night’s game and one is about the general trend over a season.
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But trends are made up of individual data points.
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some data points are outside of the margin of error and should not be considered
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That’s a nice bit of ex post facto reasoning.
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what?
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Deciding which data points are outside the margin of error. You have to decide beforehand, not after. As in, without ever seeing the data that results.
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You need to both for data points.
The circumstances last night warranted Wilson being brought in. IT doesn’t add or take away from the idea of whether Romo is being underused.
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Romo has a killer slider. Taking him out after one guy reached base so that he doesn’t face a batter whose known weakness is breaking balls is pretty much the definition of under using him.
If not then, when should he pitch?
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Romo has a killer slider unless it’s up. Then it’s a fat pitch to hammer.
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That’s like the definition of all sliders ever.
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And you still didn’t answer the question.
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If Bochy (for whatever reason) believed that Romo’s slider was not working then he wants Wilson to face Uribe.
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So basically he should only pitch when his slider is working? (Doesn’t this apply to every fastball-slider pitcher ever?)
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Okay…are we talking about last night or the whole season.
Cuz if it’s just about last night: Yes especially when Wilson is ready to pitch.
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No, I’m talking about the whole season.
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?
Whether a decision is reasonable at the time it’s made is irrelevant as to context. Just as a freak storm does not represent a change in climate.
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What?!?!
You mean to tell me that Juan Uribe is susceptible to sliders out of the zone? Inconceivable, since Romo’s best pitch is the slider. Also, I heard another vicious rumor that Juan Uribe does best against hard throwers who occasionally get the ball up.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions
Juan Uribe is also known to be a very good cripple ball hitter.
Also, it’s not like Wilson’s slider is bad.
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Wilson's slider isn't bad
But it’s not nearly as good as Romo’s. Boo-ribe as we all know too well loves to chase the slider away, you couldn’t pick a better guy in all of baseball to face Boo-ribe in that situation than Romo.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
To me
Romo has two pitches. A slider and a fastball. Uribe is an excellent fastball hitter and Romo hung a slider to Kemp.
Wilson has 3 (and maybe even four) top notch pitches.
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Wait, what are Wilson’s three pitches? I mean, he’s got the 4 seamer, the slider, and the 7 seamer, but he rarely ever uses the 7 seamer. He’s a fastball-slider guy, just like Romo.
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It’s odd, because I don’t know if I’ve ever seen PItch F/X classify what Jon calls his “cutter” as anything but a slider. But BIS has him at 0% sliders thrown this season with 42% cutters. Maybe that cutter/slider lives somewhere in between the typical clustering of sliders and cutters.
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He’s definitely has a distinct slider v. cutter
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and Romo has three pitches
49% sliders, 34% four seamers, 16% two seamers this year
Wilson? It’s always felt like a cutter to me, because in my mind it’s characterized by the drop right as it comes through the zone. In my mind sliders are defined by more of a tailing action, and WIlson’s doesn’t seem to do much. But that could be just me.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I must be dumb, because I always thought cutters broke one way and sliders the other. Someone enlighten me.
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For a righty pitcher, cutters break away from right handed hitters, same direction as a slider, but generally have less downward movement.
2 seamers are the pitches that break towards right handed hitters.
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Darn Fangraphs for seemingly not letting me link charts. Compared to Rivera’s cutter, Wilson’s cutter/slider has substantially less rise (1.9" for Wilson compared to 6-7" for Rivera) with a similar amount of horizontal break (about 2" in both cases). The 6-7" rise for Rivera seems like it’s pretty typical for cutters as well. Wilson’s slider/cutter tends to cluster with traditional sliders.
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And he lives off his fastball more than most, which is… not necessarily what you want against Uribe. If you go into that at-bat thinking Uribe’s not looking for a fastball to catch any part of the plate, you probably haven’t been paying much attention.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I wonder if Bochy freaked out about Romo because he felt the pitch he threw to Kemp was hanging and didn’t want Romo to face Uribe because of that?
This is what I've been thinking
Along with the possibility that he was hanging sliders in warming in the pen and on the mound. He let him face Kemp because Wilson was still warming up.
The thong is, it happened.
Romo not getting Kemp out should not have changed any opinion of him not being able to get Uribe out. At the same time, any one who has played on the same team as Uribe should know how to get Uribe out.
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Of course it does. If Romo hung sliders the whole time…it’s a concern.
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As Lars said below, SSS. Also, Uribe’s double was on a hanging slider. It was more outside than Romo’s but it was still a hanger.
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So you don't believe a guy can not have a pitch working on a given night?
I think warm up pitches and a batter faced is enough evidence to be concerned, if that’s what happened.
The thong is, it happened.
At some level, every game is a SSS. It’s certainly possible that Romo’s slider was just off last night and he wasn’t going to be able to give it the necessary snap/location so that it wouldn’t get clobbered. I just think that he should be given a slightly longer leash.
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At the same time, any one who has played on the same team as Uribe who has ever watched Uribe hit should know how to get Uribe out.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
You can get him out throwing junk. Romo doesn’t throw junk, he mostly hits the zone. And sometimes hangs sliders. I think Wilson was a better option, myself.
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Wait
Wilson is just as aggressive to the zone as Romo is and is mainly a fastball pitcher.
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But I’d say Wilson misses way more of the time. He gives up lots of walks. It may just be my perception, tho. Can a propellerhead find me the stats?
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions
I know you're right
But I have enough trouble getting McC to work at all here on the very slow computers at work. Opening more tabs is impractical.
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Wilson:
Career 3.87 BB/9
2011 5.79 BB/9
2010 3.13 BB/9
Romo:
Career 2.18 BB/9
2011 0.87 BB/9
2010 2.03 BB/9
Fun fact: Romo has a 0.89 xFIP this year. SSS caveats all around.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson does walk more
but that’s more because the movement of his fastball takes it out of the zone. This is more “my eyes” than anything.
But Wilson’s BB/9 is higher than Romo’s
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He walks more because people can’t hit his strikes early in the count.
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Also, it should be noted that Bochy made this decision on Romo after seeing him throw 3 pitches
Three.
It isn’t like he watched Sergio hang a bunch of sliders and thought, “Gee, he doesn’t have his best stuff”. He threw 3 pitches.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Two!
I think. Both were up, but yeah. Two pitches, unless we want to count the warm-ups.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
box score says 3
2 strikes
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Doesn't Gardy monitor his warm up in the 'pen?
Doan’t Bochy/Rags watch his eight warm-up pitches on the mound?
The thong is, it happened.
This is going a country mile to make a pretty bad point
Again, if anyone thought he didn’t have his stuff, then his ass should have been asked to take a seat and someone else should have faced Kemp. Preferably, Wilson.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
But that's the thing
Wilson needed time to warm up. The fact that Wilson was even warming up lends a little substance to the theory that there were concerns about Romo’s stuff.
The thong is, it happened.
How do we know that he didn’t make the decision before he saw him throw any pitches? i.e. If Kemp gets on, I’m bringing in Wilson.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on May 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
pretty sure that was the case.
No reason to have Wilson warming up, otherwise.
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This might have been the case…but then I think that decision was a crappy one.
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Except Bochy brought Romo in to face Kemp
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I'm still okay with this
for last night’s game.
No okay with the underuse of Romo and overuse of Lopez
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This
Last night wasn’t the issue, but Romo isn’t pitching enough and Lopez is pitching too much. Wilson would have been fine if Huff would have just caught a ground ball.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like yesterday was a consequence of his overuse of Lopez.
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If he weren’t planning on using Lopez, Romo probably would have had the entire inning himself.
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He was planning to have Cain finish the 8th.
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If he were going with Romo, he wouldn’t have left Cain in. He would have pinch hit for him in the top of the inning.
From your Schulman quote in the other thread:
If the Giants have a lead and the opposing team has a good left-handed hitter due up in the eighth, Bochy wants to ensure that Lopez faces him. So Bochy plays the matchups. If a right-handed hitter starts the inning, Bochy will let the starter stay in to face him, as he did tonight with Matt Cain, or let Ramon Ramirez face the righty if Ramirez was still in the game after pitching in the seventh.
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That’s a perfectly reasonable strategy. I think our issue with the strategy was more that: 1) good relievers were rested, 2) Cain had thrown 105 pitches already, and 3) (which has been said over and over again) why bring Romo in to face one batter? If you don’t think he has it, just go 5 outs with Wilson rather than having Romo even come in to the game.
The concern, of course, is that Bochy has an excellent – not decent, not good – excellent reliever in Romo, and acts as if he’s unusable.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
It may be reasonable in some cases, but I don’t like it. He relies on Lopez more than Romo right now, and sets up the 8th inning so that he can use Lopez.
I’m fine with working things so Lopez gets used just against tough lefties, but if it were me the 8th would be Romo’s alone. He’s a better pitcher, and he doesn’t have a weakness against lefties that somehow needs to be guarded against.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 19, 2011 9:18 AM PDT reply actions
No.
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NO
Ross is Boss, Rosstober is also acceptable.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
As is
Ssory Doc
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions
No.
This is stupid. Whoever came up with this should feel bad.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Well
I’d be more okay with this if I could overlook all the blatant mis-management with the pitchers in the days preceding it.
If you win with your best and lose with your best, why were Romo, Lopez, Ramirez, and Wilson all on five days’ rest?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Situation
5/13: Giants lost 11 to 4: No reason to use Lopez, Romo or WIlson
5/14: Vogelsong complete game in 7 IP
5/15: Lincecum game
5/16: Both Lopez and Romo pitched
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You can't be serious
Cubs loss: Bochy sends Affeldt into a situation that everyone can forsee Affeldt blowing. Affeldt promptly blows the game and the Giants never recover. I don’t really have an issue with Runzler going in because the game was lost at that point.
First Rockies loss: Bochy leaves Tim in for too stupidly long. Watches him walk the pitcher. Watches him have wild throws in the infield. Leaves him in to get torched by multiple guys ’till CarGo puts the game out of hand.
Second Rockies loss: No issue with Sanchez going back in, but everything after that was Boch’s fault. Should have pulled Jonathan after two straight hits, but left him in ’till he self-destructed. Brings in Lopez and ignores Romo, Lopez promptly gets lit up and blows the game.
Last night: Absolutely mismanages the 8th. Leaves Wilson in too long to the point Wilson injures himself and then lets him pitch through it. Wilson gives up 3 runs to blow the save and Bochy only saves some face thanks to Ross coming through.
He’s mismanaged the bullpen in his last 4 games; Vogelsong pitched well enough that we never got the chance to see if Bochy would screw up there too.
by Gitaroo_Dude on May 19, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
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First of all, I was responding to the comment about why Lopez, Romo, and Wilson were working with 5 days rest.
1) I hope you give your crystal ball to Bochy. Nothing to do with Lopez, Romo, and Wilson
2) Still have nothing to do with Romo, Lopez or Wilson. Timmy’s error has a lot to do with the inning going the way it did. Agree that he should have pulled Timmy after K’ing Amezega
3) Wait, Bochy is wrong for not pulling Sanchez on a sacrifice bunt attempt? What’s the difference between Sanchez facing the batter than a reliever. I would say Sanchez would be a better pick cuz he’s probably a better fielder.
4) Leaves Wilson in too long? I’m assuming you mean leaving Cain in too long. Wilson injures himself in the ninth on a twisted ankle (which is not a “stress” injury). Bochy didn’t want to bring Wilson in the 8th…
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In the rain-shortened game, it was reported that Bochy was going to send Vogelsong out for the 7th. He had thrown 102 pitches through 6th. And just ignore jd. Apparently the fact that the errors happened somehow mitigates the inefficiency of the pitchers prior to three consecutive disasters.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
No one can foresee anything
Sure, you can optimize the chances for success, but as we saw last night, Romo and Wilson are perfectly capable of giving up a lead as well.
The thong is, it happened.
I've said this before, and I'll say it again.
One of the reasons to have a strong bullpen is so you don’t have to press your luck with your starters.
Bochy’s trying to have his cake and eat it too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Wilson wasn’t left “in too long to the point Wilson injures himself.” That happened rather quickly. “Lets him pitch through it” is potentially the problem. Any word on the extent of the injury?
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Wilson says he's ready to pitch every day
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by paboperfecto on May 19, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Part of me is morbidly curious to see a reliever do this. Just not one of ours.
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What about
Jose Feliciano?
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought this was an excellent write-up
On the managing that went on in that Lincecum game.
http://www.purplerow.com/2011/5/17/2175914/what-the-heck-happened-last-night
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I have to wonder...
What would this thread look like had we lost the game?
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by gallo del cielo on May 19, 2011 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm torn
I’m OK with bringing in Wilson, but not OK with taking out Romo, if that’s philosphically possible.
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I understand
Romo’s usage is frustrating, but it’s hard to complain about Bochy bringing in Wilson.
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Well said
If Romo stays in and barfs up the lead, there would have been people saying Wilson should have been in there.
The thong is, it happened.
you and calbearjd keep acting like the only way people are criticizing this is after the fact. completely ignoring that the same people complaining today complained about it last night as it was happening. this is not monday morning quarterbacking.
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I’m not arguing about the issue after the fact. I’m just arguing that the decision, in itself, was perfectly reasonable. That has nothing to do with whether Bochy is underusing Romo or overusing Lopez this year.
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I argued the point on Tuesday that if Lincecum strikes out Gonzalez on Friday, we feel very differently about Lincecum’s performance and Bochy’s decision to keep him out there.
But after third day of watching the starter scuffle in an inning when bringing in the bullpen would have been reasonable, and the second day in a row of it happening immediately after the pitcher hit for himself in the top of the inning, I’m tired of watching the cavalry show up too late.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I would have been ok with pulling Timmy when we took the 4-2 lead. I said after the first hitter of the game that we were seeing “Bad Timmy tonight”. It was pretty obvious he didn’t have his normal stuff.
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I can understand trying to squeeze a sixth inning out of Lincecum – he’s usually good for it, after all – but it was just obvious that Lincecum didn’t have it last night. That’s the kind of spot where I really wouldn’t mind seeing Mota. Again: that’s what the bullpen is there for.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Probably the same people too, I bet.
They are just bound and determined to find fault in what Bochy does no matter what he does, using hindsight as “evidence of his incompetence”.
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by BusterHomerun on May 19, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
See the above comment.
Plenty of people were complaining about this when it happened, long before Uribe hit the double off of Wilson.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
Uhhhh
The Giants won the game, I don’t think anyone is complaining about the end result.
by paboperfecto on May 19, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Cody Ross
Power, speed, defense, clutch, bossness.
Start him everyday. Most complete outfielder we have, until Torres can hit lefties. I am okay with Torress\Rowand and Shierholtz\Burrell platoonage, but please start Ross everyday!
Time to repeat in '11!
It will be awful hard for Torres to hit lefties if he never has the chance to.
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by NuschlerFace on May 19, 2011 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
Torres and Ross should start 90% of the games together. Until he hits lefties, Ross is the overall best outfielder IMO.
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by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Seriously
Is that fucking hard to write in Torres, Ross and Burrell 6 out of 7 days a week until Belt gets there?
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Torres will be playing every day soon. I think they’re still trying to ease him into that though because of his injury. It’s not like Bochy just doesn’t want to play him.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on May 19, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
True
He only just doesn’t want to play Burrell and Romo.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
In fairness
Nate has been playing well enough to get an occasional start.
The thong is, it happened.
Occasional sure,
But Burrell sat for almost a week straight and the offense was struggling mightily. OBP still escapes Bochy.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Nate has better offensive numbers and is far superior defensively
One could make a strong case for playing Nate more than Burrell. I know Nate has a reverse platoon split, but maybe base it on matchups.
The thong is, it happened.
One could make a case
But that case would be based on SSS and would be wrong. Burrell is the far superior offensive player and with Ross in RF, Schierholtz value is greatly diminished.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Superior yes. Far superior? stretching it.
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Burrell career .361 wOBA and 117 wRC+, Schierholtz .310 and 85.
For those scoring at home that’s .51 points of wOBA and 32 wRC+ or “far superior”.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm talking strictly at this juncture of their career.
Burrell is clearly not the hitter he was 5 years ago, and Nate is in the prime of his career right now.
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Maybe
But still given Burrell’s OBP and power, I still think he’s far superior offensively to Schierholtz. I think Nate’s a fine player as a 4th or 5th OF, but he’s not an everyday player and doesn’t have the splits to be a platoon type either.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Schierholtz’s splits are extremely SSS-y. If I remember right, he didn’t hit lefties better in the minors.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
What I meant was that if he murdered either righties or lefties he could be a platoon type guy, but his splits don’t seem to suggest that he has a big advantage against either so I think he’s really a 4th 5th OF type.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
It is a SSS, but it’s fairly uncanny. Schierholtz in MLB only:
vs. LHP: .340/.372/.472, .392 BABIP (170 PA)
vs. RHP: .254/.301/.391, .291 BABIP (664 PA)
Now this is only in 170 PA and ignores the minors, but it’s strangely interesting
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
not in the minors
2005-9 L/R 563/1343 PAs, .668/.727 MLE OPS
That’s what I mean, good sir.
His split is backwards in the majors, which tells me that we probably don’t know what his true talent level is against major league lefties unless you want to take the MLE’s as authoritative. Which is fine if you do, it’s just a weird body of evidence in the aggregate.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I can't believe I'm defending Schierholtz...
but, he has a .282/.329/.493 line, for a .346 wOBA and 123 OPS+. That’s rather good, even though I would like a higher OBP.
Plus, even though he has a -1.1 UZR so far (-17 UZR/150!! Yikes), I’m willing to chalk that up to SSS shenanigans. He looks good in RF, and he’s a good baserunner. He has one GIDP this year, and I can’t remember how many times he has beaten out a throw to first to avoid a DP this year.
I still think the best OF is Burrell/Torres/Ross, but Ross/Torres/Schierholtz is utterly defensible until Nate turns back in to himself, and is a far superior defensive OF.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Me too
I think that’s the reason he has a reverse platoon split and has struggled to be a good hitter. He has show an inability to either drop the bat head on those pitches or not swing at them for most of his career, thus letting RH throw back foot breaking balls all day long.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on May 19, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m fine with Ross/Torres/Schierholtz when Cain/Zito are starting. But any of the other guys, we don’t need UZR PRON
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This
I’m not arguing that Burrell should play everyday, just that he shouldn’t be given a week off.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Hello SSS
He’s got 76 PA’s this year.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Well duh. That’s why I think he’s going to turn back into Nate Schierholtz.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry
Didn’t read the last line somehow. Yes, defensible until he turns back in to Nate Schierholtz. Still I don’t think sitting Burrell for long stretches helps anyone.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I understand pulling Burrell for a defensive replacement and giving him rest days, but come on. It’s not as if he’s putting up Tampa numbers from 2010 this early season.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Burrell has a higher wRC+ than Nate.
It’s very close 116 to 114 so they’re basically the same, but in no should anyone project Nate will outhit Burrell for the rest of the year.
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Burrell is just as much of a question mark offenively, in my book
At his age, the cliff could be anywhere in front of him. Less than a year ago he was given up for dead and many here wanted no part of him getting ABs.
The thong is, it happened.
But in that last year he has gone back to his normal self.
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I was not one of them.
He’s traditionally a slow starter and the power is still there. Even when he doesn’t hit he gets on base.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
I've been a Burrell supporter from the get go
And still like him. My only point is that Nate is showing me something and might provide more overall value and is young enough that he could provide more long-term value.
They’ll need to make a decision on Ross this off-season and he might be too expensive. That’ll be an easier blow to take if Nate is ready to be the everyday RF we’ve hoped he could be.
The thong is, it happened.
I really don’t want to see Ross go. I love Cody Ross. Love.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Sadly, he wanted to go around arb and sign a multi-year deal, but the Giants didn’t bite. I think he’s just too pricey to keep as a FA unless he goes extremely team-friendly and for a limited number of years (he’s turned the corner into his thirties, after all).
If he does not remain a Giant, I will miss his power, even if he’s not an amazing hitter for his position.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I met his in-laws on the Hertz bus in Scottsdale this spring. They are lovely people and said that Cody was as happy as they had ever seen him. Their daughter and Cody were HS sweetheats so they have known him forever. I hope they find a way to keep him here and think he would love to stay.
Yeah, they are from Carlsbad NM. A friend of my GF’s is from there, went to HS with them, and is friends with Cody’s sister and his wife. He’s apparently just an awesome guy.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
And according to Fangraphs, over the past 4 seasons, Cody has been worth a minimum of $8.1m and, in an outlier season, $16.1m.
The only guy in the minors close to cracking the big-league OF lineup in the next two years is Neal, so just pay Cody already. He’s a good combo of offense and defense and you basically know what you’re going to get.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
I actually see them packaging Nate this year if he continues to hit well.
It would make me sad to see either him or Cody go.
Especially when Rowand is sitting around.
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Rowand absolutely needs to go, of course, but getting something reasonable back for Schierholtz would be mighty nice. A SS who can actually play SS, for one.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It would be easier
But I just don’t think that Nate is ever going to be an everyday guy. Just don’t see it. I know everyone got used to Randy Winn, but RF’s are supposed to have power, Nate has less power than Franchez.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
BUT THIRD DECK HOME RUN!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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It’s there, it just doesn’t appear often enough. I’m a much bigger fan of repeated dingerz that sneak out than bombs that happen twice a decade.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Not that he's at their level...
…but Gwynn and Ichiro are two more examples of guys who played RF without oozing power, but made up for it with superior defense.
The thong is, it happened.
Defensive value to make up for limited offensive ability for your position only works well when you have gobs of it. Nate has value, certainly, and I want to believe he’s a better hitter than we’ve seen in the majors (if a bit of a crude one), but I think owlcroft is right that he’s a CF playing a corner.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
At AT&T you pretty much need someone with CF ability
See:
- Winn, Randy
- Jr., Jose Cruz
The thong is, it happened.
True, but that’s still offensive production that you’re not likely to get back from a middle infielder.
I guess this is a good a place as any to note that we weight offensive production, but we don’t have a good idea of how park factors impact defensive value. I’d be willing to hazard a guess that RngR should be worth more in Coors than they do in Fenway.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
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The thong is, it happened.
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Burrell is exactly hitting his projections (i.e. zips)
and schierholtz is exceeding his by ~10 wOBA. Still Churros is a very good defender and Pat not so much.
I am OK with them sharing time. Ross one could actually argue is worse than both (BUT TEH CLUTCH). Depth, it’s what you’re soaking in!
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Yea, hope so
With all the injuries and revolving roster, it feels like Botchy is forever giving 2-3 guys a chance to get going. I have a feeling by June, if the roster stays healthy, we will have a more consistent everyday lineup.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
The only guys who hadn’t gotten it going yet that had playable alternatives were Tejada and DeRosa, and we can only replace one of them because Fontenot is the only person to cover either position right now.
Huff is starting to hit. Posey is a singles machine right now, but still light years better than Whiteside. Burrell is doing his thing. Torres is hitting. Ross is hitting. Freddy is hitting. The pitchers are hitting. The only person who’s particularly cold right now is Rowand, but his playing time will diminish as Torres starts playing every day again.
That said, days when Torres sits Ross should start in center and Nate should play RF, with Fontenot leading off. No me gusta Rowand.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
True, which is impressive given how spotty his playing time has been.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This
He was about to break into RF last year and he got exposed a little. I like what I see and his approach so far this year, a nice improvement.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Walk rate is down, strikeout rate is up, LD% is down, only thing going well for him is his power, which i don’t think he can sustain.
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He just turned 27, so there’s hope that the increase in power is real. Now if he could just learn to take walks…
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by BusterHomerun on May 19, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
People keep ignoring this fact.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I remarked on it because statistical analysis suggests that it does.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The Book documents both a pinch-hitting and a DH penalty, the latter being more variable. Playing matters.
Noted that last year MGL emphasized that not much research has been done, and PHs/DHs are often not in good condition or they would be starting anyway, and that PHs are usually facing relievers (and entering the game for the first time anyway)
A lot of pinch-hitters are guys like Ishikawa and Schierholtz: They’re just not that good. So they end up spending a lot of their time pinch-hitting, and that (I contend) is what mostly suppresses their overall numbers below what they would be as starters.
Yeah, I went around and around about this with owlcroft and Solidarity the other day. PH’ing matters. Starting one or two games a week, usually with the platoon advantage? Show me.
there’s also a hard to work around confound present.
Do players get worse when they get less playing time or do they get less playing time when they get worse?
There’s tricky statistical ways to distinguish these things, but I haven’t seen anyone take a crack at them.
Mark DeRosa, still existing.
My scheme: slot every one of every player’s at-bats into buckets depending on how many at-bats he has had in the last two games. Graph the results. In theory, one should see results improve steadily as the number of recent at-bats increases. Then do the same thing again with the buckets representing number of at-bats in the last week, the last two weeks, etc. In this way you can figure out not only how much the part-time penalty is, but how much regular play a player needs to overcome it.
I presume this would be hellishly time-consuming, and there’s a lot to control for.
You are taking it personal
It is not so much pulling Romo, as getting the best matchup, most of the time. Wilson>Romo forever vs all batters.
It is more how Botchy decides to pull his starters and the damn late inning messes that need cleaning up after. I would prefer starters to start the 8th only if they have a shutout going, or a 5 plus run lead.
I wonder if the loss of Derosa, therefore bench player\ph played a role last night. Cain hit in the 8th with a man on, he probably should not have done that either.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol
I misread the “no problem” part. My previous post is to those who disliked Romo being pulled last night, and not you mr 49er16
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by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Cain hitting
If he ever intended to pull Cain, Bochy could have used Sanchez or even Vogelsong to PH. Letting Cain hit meant Bochy wanted Cain to pitch. Had nothing to do with the lack of bench.
I think cain would be insulted
You ph starting pitcher for relievers
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by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Also leaving Cain in so he can pitch leaves less questions than, why is volgelsong hitting when Botchy has 3 guys on the bench left. I just wonder if he wanted to hoard the bench players and use the pen if the 8th got into a jam. Obviously the 8th was the third time in 3 days starter got in trouble and the pen could not hold it in.
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by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
err self edit
Lincecum was his own fail
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by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Managing your starting pitchers is like playing the stock market.
You maximize your gains by knowing when to sell.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
These are the sorts of games that make me glad I have to go to bed by the fifth inning.
Bochy’s making it too complicated, I think. When you bring in a reliever, let him get a few outs, unless he gets into some extreme jam that a lefty-righty switch can help you get out of. Don’t worry about who’s hot, or who’s the closer, or “losing with your best,” or any of that stuff. Just let the guys pitch, and overall they will be sharper and more successful and better rested.
Bochy
He looked pretty addled out in the dugout shots in the 8th inning. I think he was starting to feel the pressure of the past few days. You then throw in the fact that Willie blew the save and all the injuries, and he might have snapped if they had lost. I for one am a little surprised at all the heat he has taken this early in the season. One would think he might get a little longer rope.
I came in to the season wanting to give the guy a whole lot of rope, but his decisions have seemed to be so unbelievably non-sensical that it’s hard to. Why is Aaron Rowand playing when the offense is struggling, did Burrell sleep with Bochy’s wife and/or daughter and did Torres and/or Romo hide is mustache comb? Why aren’t these guys playing everyday or in Romo’s case more than once a week?
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Probably because Ross and Torres are just coming off of injuries and Bochy doesn’t want to overextend them. I mean Bochy did bench Rowand most of the 2nd half last year.
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Well, that seems to have worn off. Rownads has a good two weeks three weeks ago and all of sudden Burrell rides the pine for close to a week?
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Defense concerns.
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Which somehow trump the offensive concerns for Rowand-2 on a team that is having a hard time scoring runs?
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
But it is May 19 (my 42nd birthday). The Giants are incumbant World Champions and are currently in first place in the division. They have had a horrid early season schedule and have dealt with consistent and serious injuries as well as significant underperformance on the part of core players from last years team. That he has made some odd or questionable moves that did not work out is really not a huge surprise. He has been doing that his entire career (see Jose Guillen for an example). Last October, he made some odd and questionable calls that did work out and they won the first World Series in the history of this City. I guess I would define more rope a different way.
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You’re right, I probably should give him more rope, but just in the same way that he helped guide the Giants to their first World Series since moving to The City, Pat Burrell, Andres Torres and Sergio Romo all helped too. I hate to watch the Giants offense score three or fewer runs when Burrell is sitting on the bench.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Thx.. I just don’ think there were many people (certainly not me) who thought that Bruce Bochy was capable of leading any team (let alone the 2010 Giants) to the World Series. He comes across as an uncurious dunce who is incapable of anything more than a 2-step thought process. Yet he is clearly not dumb (or at least that dumb) and even if he is, the lesson is that you can win a World Series with a dumb manager. I know there is a time for second guessing and recrimination (and of course everyone is entitled to say or think whatever they want), but part of being a champion is acting like a champion and not having a freaking tantrum every time things don’t go exactly as we want them to. I for one would like to enjoy this thing a little longer and am not going to get all worked up over any of it now (particularly today)…
I would argue that Bochy out managed Cox, Manuel, and Washington in the postseason.
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Yeah I didn’t have much problem with Bochy in the post season. He had a short leash on the SP’s, used Wilson when most managers wouldn’t.
It made me feel like he knows what to do to win, but during the entire season, he’s trying to balance other things like “get guys goin” or “get the starter the win”
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I'm a little tired of giving so much credit/blame to Bochy
In the postseason last year, pretty much every player stepped up. They executed. So far this season, they have not, particularly at the plate and with the glove.
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For the most part in the play offs, Bochy made the same moves that I would have made, therefore I believe they were the right moves (of course I could be wrong), even if they didn’t work out. The only thing I can remember disagreeing with was bringing in Timmy in relief.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
Stop fucking calling him WILLIE!
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The former I would think
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by NuschlerFace on May 19, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Why?
What’s wrong with Willie? It is after all, his nickname.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions
We already have two Willie’s associated with the Giants and, as much as I love Wilson, he has earned the honor of being the third.
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by say hey nation on May 19, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
There's more than two
Besides Mays and McCovey there was also Willie McGee, but Willie is far too common of a name to get all up in arms about it. I love Mays and McCovey as much as anyone, but I have no issue with Wilson being referred to as Willie in the proper context.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Don’t forget Montanez!
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by NuschlerFace on May 19, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions
I had a similar WTF moment in little league baseball. I called one of the coaches out about an illegal bat and his response was “We been using it all year!”
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by say hey nation on May 19, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Ssory Lance
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Does anyone else just love the way Cody runs the basepaths after a homerun?
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I just love they way Cody always plays
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry, but bullshit.
There was no good reason to take Romo out. Bochy is an idiot.
"Today, it's as if McCovey's line drive finally went through. And the earthquake didn't happen. And Spiezio struck out. And Snow was safe."
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
still need a GIF of Cody Ross bat flip/tap dance/bunny hop
can anyone oblige?
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Jeff Sullivan to the rescue!
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that dude is a GIF machine
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3....2.....1.....
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Just as he thought we might’ve forgotten how to summon him.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I always picture Jeff wearing that same sweater when I read his posts
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Now that tempers have cooled, thoughts on last night
1. Miggy knock on wood seems to be on the up-and-up. God help us so he can keep it going. 5 hits in 3 games, good plays in his last few. I understand people will probably call it a short hot streak, and it could be, but he’s played better in the last few games than he has all season. I’m optimistic.
2. Inning 5 was absolutely crucial. If Cain hadn’t gotten out of the mess he created, Dodgers win that game.
3. On yours knees before Cody Ross, people. He is the Savior.
4. So satisfying to see Kershaw got leveled like that; now that the bad taste of inning 8 is washing away, I can focus on the “HAHA!”-ing at Clayton.
5. Rowand wasn’t god-awful last night like he had been against the Rockiers. But seriously, play Torres please.
6. Bochy’s level of trust in Romo compared to Lopez/Wilson is mindboggling. Motherfucking Affeldt gets a longer leash than Romo.
1. Nah
Just… nah. Tejada is flat-out bad this year and while he might get a little dead-cat bounce, he’s not going to be good, or even league average. We’ll be lucky if he makes it BACK to replacement level.
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If only there were a blog post out there expanding on such thoughts…
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sorry i meant
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by jhiat00 on May 19, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Even owlcroft thinks that Tejada is not as bad as he has been playing. His production, while still quite bad, has picked up in the last two weeks, and hopefully that will continue because he will be playing at least until Sandoval gets back.
.263/.263/.319 over the last two weeks. Still putrid even for a shortstop, but I’ll take it over him using the mendoza line as a maypole.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This. I think we've seen Miggy's worst
Krukow said it too on KNBR yesterday. He also said Derosa had nothing.
Miggy isn’t as bad as he’s been. He’s been BABIP’d and might have also been pressing to impress his new team and fans, which is kinda natural.
The thong is, it happened.
Can you make an argument for plugging in a +defender? Even if you told him just to stand in the batter’s box and put the bat down, it might be a wash.
The plus defenders in our system would be a significant downgrade. The only person I could see having a Matt Downs kind of call-up stint would be Ryan Rohlinger, and from what we’ve seen I think Bochy feels like is a last resort.
If Fontenot is playing short, I can live with Tejada’s defense at third, but mostly because we don’t have many other options.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
BTW
Matt Downs: .286/.345/.571 in 55 PAs
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I’m happy to see him have some success. It would be nice to see him carve out a nice little 5th infielder career for himself.
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This
Good for Matt Downs.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Downs Autobiography
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When Panda comes back, we will all breathe a sigh of relief.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Until he goes 0-fer in his first game back and everyone freaks the fuck out.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I promise to wait until he’s been back for at least, at least 2 games before I freak the fuck out.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Until he comes back weighing 340 pounds.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on May 19, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Rohlinger in AAA: .279/.359/.460 (in 975 PAs)
Rohlinger in the majors: .134/.183/.194 (in 74 PAs)
I’m pretty sure the second line renders the first 100% meaningless. Dude can’t hit major-league pitching.
Sig.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I want to respond to this, but I honestly can’t tell if it’s ’chasm or not.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
it obviously is
RR has been an above-average hitter since 2008 at every level where he’s had at least 200 PAs — though he currently risks that streak in the PCL with 115 PAs and a 65 wRC+. .148 BABIP, though.
Key terms used in chasm: “obviously”, “there’s no way”, or in this case “100%”
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I have years and years of Evan comments to fall back on.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah but those are minor league comments. What about them gives any indication that he can comment at the major league level? AAAA commenter at best.
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by delorean on May 19, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
Your stats tend to fluctuate
A little more sample size and they’ll evan out
The thong is, it happened.
I got 'chopped :(
Anyways, said in the other thread:
I didn’t expect anything great out of Tejada this year, but I certainly didn’t expect the massive suck he has shown up till these last couple weeks. He made me happy he hit a line drive, I suppose that shows just how bad he’s been…..
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
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by Badly Browned on May 19, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
This
I didn’t expect much from Migsucky so to fail to meet expectations means he’s been terribly awful.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
For tonight
Just fucking beat Billingsley without anyone getting hurt.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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LOLineup
Ford CF
Burriss 2B
BBelt 1B
Eldred RF
Neal LF
Rohlinger SS
Gillaspie 3B
Stewart C
Kroooooooon P
by posey yaknowsy on May 19, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Stalker Bait!
Yeah, he is probably done. I expect a DL announcement at some point today.
I feel bad for the guy, but he played baseball for a living. That is an awesome opportunity! Plus he got paid very well. Happy trails, Mark. You should be a broadcaster.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No fair
You have a stalker? I’ve always wanted my own stalker!
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Marcello stalked me to my high school reunion
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Sweet!
I’m going to head to the can if anyone would like to start stalking me now.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions
We expect a full report when you get back
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Went well
A little Angry Birds on the phone and everything went smoothly. All in all, an enjoyable experience. No stalker that I noticed however, so somewhat of a disappointment.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
But at least we got a nice picture of stalker and stalkee.
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He stole mine.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
By the book
Baseball gods chuckling at last night’s Bochy/Girardi parallels. You might get mildly criticized but never blasted for turning to the great Rivera in a pinch, which is what Girardi did in the 9th even though Colon had been unhittable and had a low pitch count after 8. So, naturally, Rivera blows the save. Yanks, sadly, eventually pulled it out just like we did, although it took them longer.
by NearestNorwich on May 19, 2011 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
I think Schulman picks the dumb comments to make himself look better
hankschulman Henry Schulman
Are u serious? Did u watch Lopez in postseason? Have u noticed LHs are 4-31 v Lopez in ’11? RT @borked2011: Romo career nos v LHP > Lopez
No reasonable person is arguing Romo is better against lefties right now.
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Why bother when there’s Baggs? Schulman is never the first to report on anything other than the media spread at the park.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I follow him because I find him funny.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
Me too
And he doesn’t take it personally when I make fun of him.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
I love Tonkatsu more than I love Tempura. That doesn’t mean I couldn’t order Tonkatsu-Tempura combo.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Well that's different
To me Baggs is like a good steak and Schulman is akin to Tofu. I love steak and hate Tofu.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I love steak and I love Tofu. Tofu is excellent with Congee for breakfast. I can’t eat steak with Congee.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Aww
I like him, and he makes jokes, and takes jokes well. He retweeted on of my tweets where I did everything except call him ugly.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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The first rule of engagement
is to pick your opponent wisely. The second rule of engagement is to not do it at a sporting event on the jumbotron.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I wonder what the insurance policy on DeRosa contract is like.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on May 19, 2011 10:20 AM PDT reply actions
I believe if he can’t play the rest of 11, we get his wife!
by posey yaknowsy on May 19, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
FIRST!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on May 19, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't about DeRosa
but teams take out insurance policies on specific players.
Being self insured has to do with liability.
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Sooo can we please have this lineup in a month
Torres CF
Belt LF
Pablo 3B
Posey C
Ross RF
Huff 1B
Sanchez 2b
Fontenot SS
Pitcher
I know Bochy would never bat anyone but a middle infielder 2nd, but it would just be so nice.
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I’m hoping for Hardy at SS.
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I just feel like we would already have Hardy if the front office thought he was better than Tejada.
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You’re assuming the Orioles are open to trades right now. It’s a little early
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No, I’m assuming that in the off season if we wanted Hardy instead of Tejada, we would have traded for Hardy instead of signing Tejada.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
It’s the old “stopgap, stay close, then make a trade if necessary” strategy Sabean likes so much. Keep costs down. Unfortunately, this sometimes leads to Hillenbrand-like substance
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
SO MUCH THIS!
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by Cody_ransom on May 19, 2011 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I feel like i’d rather have Belt at first and Burrell in left :( It makes me sad but I feel like that’s our best lineup
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by atxgiantsfan on May 19, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
I believe Huff is better than Burrell
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I feel like they're pretty close to dead even.
But since Burrell is having the better year, for the moment I’d like to go with him.
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by atxgiantsfan on May 19, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Huff is LHB and has been much better recently
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this would be sweet.
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by atxgiantsfan on May 19, 2011 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
A Belt/Burrell platoon would probably be more productive, given that Huff probably has the least significant split of the three.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I could see this
Although, I think they should try to work Belt in against lefties whenever possible. Maybe alternate days off against lefties between Belt and Huff.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't think Belt should be in a situation where he is not getting constant PA's
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I agree for the most part
But if he sat against lefties that would amount to 0-2 games per week, which isn’t much.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I want him to see ABs against lefties so he doesn’t become a platoon-only guy, but sitting Burrell against righties wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world. You could also platoon him with Ross straight up in RF, but I would imagine he gets moved around the corners and 1B, like how Uribe was only nominally a bench player in 2009 and 2010. No set position, but you find a spot for his bat as much as you can.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Huff has a pretty significant split, though one should probably assume Belt’s is worse. This team could use one of those slow, slugging, lefty-mashing first baseman types for the bench.
Also, it would be cool if DeRosa could have filled that role.
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Wait, wha?
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Belt’s splits are getting way too much attention. Dude actually hit lefties better in the majors (14 AB’s) and only has 18 AB’s against lefties in the minors. Both lines mean close to absolutely nothing. I can only find his splits from this year though.
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by atxgiantsfan on May 19, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
he has a platoon split
2010: R/L PAs 129/456, MLE OPSs .676/.815.
Is there a digit missing in the minors ABs? How did he only have 18 ABs against lefties in the minors? Unless you mean this year?
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He has but Burrell’s still been waaaay better over the course of the year. And since this lineup already has Belt, Fontenot, Sandoval, and Torres as LHHs I don’t think that Huff’s leftiness would be of much more benefit.
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by atxgiantsfan on May 19, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Sanchez would have to murder a kitten in the batters box, then use it’s corpse as a bat for him to be dropped out of the No 2 spot I think.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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My new theory:
Bochy didn’t want to overwork Romo because he figured Wilson might get hurt and they might need Sergio in the closer’s role tonight.
Yeah, that it.
The thong is, it happened.
Possible
Hmm…
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Bochy is clairvoyant!
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the extra skull size makes more sense now.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
My biggest gripe is that Bochy has let Javier Lopez pitch to nearly as many RHBs (29) than he’s allowed Romo to pitch to (30). Lopez should never, ever be allowed to pitch to RHBs. They own a career OPS of ~.800 against him which is about .250 OPS points higher than Romo’s career against RHBs.
It doesn’t make any sense. Another fun fact, in an extremely small sample, Romo is actually tougher on LHBs than Lopez. I can live with Lopez being the LOOGY, but that’s what he needs to be.
Ask me about my blog.
yes
how we can we get the word out that Sergio Romo is an excellent pitcher?
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I wish there would be some discussion about this on blogs
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Never fails to bring a smile to my face.
Because he had no idea what was about to happen.
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
Do you mind if I use this in a post over at Talking Chop, provided I gave credit? Also, I already did so.
LIVE EDT
Tape-delayed for the West Coast
Wow
That post took a bad turn. =/
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions
I bet you could squeeze Cliff Lee into it somewhere.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Ewwwwwww.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I have been dying to find a good picture of this moment from the other side so you can see Huff’s back like in the TV broadcast. Alas, I’ve had no luck finding anything of decent quality.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
LOL Freddy.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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What Freddy was thinking...
They found a cure for moles!
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I’m looking for one just as Huff is popping up after sliding home safely, all alone with his arms raised in triumph. It’s probably the most defining image of the whole postseason for me, which is fitting because it’s pretty much the exact midpoint of their playoff run.
I’m tearing up a little just thinking about it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Why you don't celebrate 8th inning dingerz like you just won the game.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh God, this
Lopez should not be pitching to RHBs EVER.
EVER.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I totally said this last night
If you’re going to just repeat my ideas, at least do it with a fancy graph.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I still feel horrible for DeRosa.
:(
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Yeah. Bad way to go out.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
He will be ok...
He could not have expected much at 36 after his injuries. He will have a great and long career as a coach/manager.
Everyone says Ichiro puts on a show in BP.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
Gonzalez is a lot more stable in the midsection that Ichiro. Ichiro’s butt and back are leaning off balance through the middle of his swing. Gonzalez picks up his back foot Ichiro does not, that probably helps him generate more power than he should being that far off balance. I wonder how much time he picks up from home to first because of his swing. He is moving towards 1B throughout the swing, not back toward the pitcher.
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by Cody_ransom on May 19, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions
How could we ever have been upset with this guy?
pandoval48 Pablo Sandoval
Good morning all my fan in twitter
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Sorry I’m out of teh loop. What happened? Why are people disappointed/upset with pablo?
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on May 19, 2011 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
His year last year, the weight thing, etc.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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OK then. It was growing pains for a naturally gifted person.
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by say hey nation on May 19, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I was referring to everyone frustration with Panda last year.
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by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
I wonder whose twitter Pablo stuffed all his fan in.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on May 19, 2011 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions
It was more frustration than anger.
But good lord how I miss him.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Why do I do this to myself?
Click to join my misery.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Don't get chopped
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,..wut
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Woops
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/5/19/2179666/aubrey-huff-to-third-base-giants-news
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope
You just got traded to Lookout Landing.
I still believe in Santa Clause and Bowkermania!
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on May 19, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL Chopped.
Relief! I Thank you for your Lefferts.
by Cody_ransom on May 19, 2011 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Who wants to bet that Rowand is starting tonight?
Also, how did Rowand not face Billingsley at all last year?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Bullpen
This might seem weird, but I think I have to give Bochy the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the bullpen and his handling of Romo.
Brian Sabean: Sing His Praises To The Heavens!
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PARPG- Indy post-apocalyptic roleplaying game that seems to have resurrected itself in my absence...
1 Month.
vs. LHP
CF Torres
2B Sanchez
C Posey
3B Pablo
LF Burrell
RF Ross
1B Belt
SS Tejada
P
vs. RHP
CF Torres
1B Belt
3B Sandoval
LF Huff
C Posey
RF Ross
2B Sanchez
SS Fontenot
P
Schierholtz comes in as a defensive replacement. Rowand cheers everybody on. Burrell/Huff platoon as well as Tejada/Fontenot. WS Repeat.
I have seen the future of rock n' roll, and its name is Buster Posey.
"There's no texting in baseball."
sokay
Botchy doesnt seem to pure platoon. Nor do I think Huff sits so Belt can play, unless Belt comes back and torches everyone. That is possible but not probable.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions
It's the hair
Aubrey needs to shave his head again.
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
Ah crapola, posted in the wrong thread
LOL me
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on May 19, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
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