Post-game thread: Giants win in a romp
by Grant Brisbee on May 18, 2011 10:48 PM PDT
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Even when Bruce Bochy was driving me insane in the losing years, playing veteran hitters who had no business starting, I always respected how he handled a pitching staff. He walked a fine line between pampering and abuse, and after the complete nonsense of Felipe Alou’s bullpen management, Bochy was a revelation. No manager is ever going to make the exact move you’d make, and it’s worth noting that you’d be wrong about a lot of those moves too.
So it is with great displeasure that I have to write this post-game thread. That was an unacceptable game.
Matt Cain starts the eighth. Why? Was he dominating? At times, yeah, but he’d also get into these weird squinks where he’d lose all control. He was at 100 pitches. Can’t imagine in what world it was a necessity that he’d start the eighth. The bullpen is rested.
Sergio Romo gives up a bloop single and gets yanked. The next hitter is Juan Uribe. For two years, the Giants watched Uribe flail against outside sliders. He has hit a ball into right field maybe .34 times in the regular season. He can hit a fastball, sure. He can hit a hanging slider. But if the pitch is placed well, Uribe has no chance.
So obviously, Bochy gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahcodycodycodycodycodycodycodycodycodycodycody
CODY ROSS
CODY ROSS
Now earn your win, Wilson.
That was the first time since, dang, maybe the Ankiel game last year that I was crushed by a baseball game. Just crushed. Cain shouldn’t have started th;;;;
Oh, dammit, Wilson. Don’t be hurt. What in the hell?
This is a bad trip, man. This is a bad trip. I WANT OFF. I WANT OFF. GET ME OFF. oh god, this isn’t going to end...
...
Ahem.
Well, this was going to be a maudlin recap of what it was like to watch a man’s career end. Guy plays high school ball, college ball, grinds through the minors, sits on a bench, doesn’t get his first starting job until he’s 31, does better than anyone expects ... and then has his wrist explode over and over again. It’s one thing to read it as a tweet. It’s another to watch it happen in front of you.
Then Mark DeRosa was listed as day-to-day. Okay. An alien popped out of his wrist and attacked Ripley before he could even swing the bat, but I guess he’s day-to-day. Hope he’s okay.
Then there was bullpen nonsense. Whatever trust Bruce Bochy lost in Sergio Romo after 130 quality innings before Eric Hinske should have been regained after Ben Francisco and Carlos Ruiz. Romo is a gift. He’s a righty with plus-control and strikeout stuff who can get righties and lefties out. There are, like, ten to twenty guys in baseball who fit those qualifications. Bochy has one, and when Wilson is right, he has two. He can use them better.
Then there were injuries. Aaron Rowand spontaneously combusted running down the line. Brian Wilson broke both of his legs and stayed in the game. How in the hell am I supposed to feel? Elation that the Giants finally took a patch out of Clayton Kershaw’s failbeard? Melancholy that Mark DeRosa might never get the chance to perform for the Giants? Fear that the Giants have lost their closer? Anger that Bochy was a complete nincompoop, nay, dunderhead when it came to managing a pitching staff again, which is like Darren Ford losing his speed? Love, pure love, for Cody Ross for being Cody Ross, which continues to be Not Jose Guillen in the best Cody Ross kind of way?
Ask me in November. I have no idea how to feel about this one, other than it would have been a whole lot worse to have lost it.
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what was?
I was called away for emergency DSL diagnosis. Did Wilson’s arm fall off?
replayed the 9th on the dvr
Wilson’s going on the DL again.
Brian Wilson
Your 2011 San Francisco Giants’ Winz leader.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
CODY
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Quote of the night
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Bochy: “It was a good win. I don’t know how much fun it was.”
by Rook Takes Pawn on May 18, 2011 10:49 PM PDT reply actions
Schulman tweeted it first
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wasn’t someone on Twitter giving Schulman crap that he was always second to the story, behind Baggs?
by Rook Takes Pawn on May 18, 2011 10:51 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyways, sorry Hank for not linking you when you got the tweet out first!
/whatever
by Rook Takes Pawn on May 18, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Yep
Which has to be pretty annoying if you’re a beat writer. I like baggs more than schulman, but I follow hank anyway, his drunken tweets are pretty funny.
by Totes Magotes on May 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Ran into Hank last weekend in Chicago
He was really nice and we had a pleasant little chat.
The thong is, it happened.
Me, too.
I'm still in the old thread.
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"Chop. The Chopster. Ms Chopness. La Picadita." - gallo del cielo
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Who doesn't?
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
Giants baseball: We're stupid enough to WIN that (TM)
I know some people.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
"Chop. The Chopster. Ms Chopness. La Picadita." - gallo del cielo
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Say hi to them for me.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
And another.
He is the world's most annoying rooster.
by gallo del cielo on May 19, 2011 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I think
us G fans are pretty lucky to be choosing between those two
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
Prediction
None of the beat reporters will call Bochy on his bullpen management.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Cody Ross and Brian Wilson are both trending worldwide
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
SFGiants Trending WorldWide: Cody Ross – Brian Wilson – Golden Girls – Not sure why Golden Girls is trending, but all 3 are #Awesome
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on May 18, 2011 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with this comment
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
oh shit they’re not making a movie adaptation are they
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Yes
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
"Chop. The Chopster. Ms Chopness. La Picadita." - gallo del cielo
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Third Street Kings | Nine Shot First
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Wilson is dying his beard white and co starring in the Golden Girls movie, playing Betty White’s husband.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on May 19, 2011 5:28 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
extrabaggs Andrew Baggarly
Rowand hurt his back. Also could be OK tomorrow. DeRosa going back to SF tmrw and Giants will DL him.
Burriss gotta go
to LA
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by nostocksjustbonds on May 18, 2011 10:52 PM PDT up reply actions
We'll soon find out his wrist is fucked and he'll be on to the 60 day DL
Chalk up another completely useless contract to Brian Sabean’s reign
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Brian Sabean is a terrible evaluator of major league talent
TGWTWS doesn’t change that
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Hard to say terrible. Not the best, could be better, sure. But there are a lot more GMs out there that don’t have a WS ring.
He gets a pass for a bit.
Let's bring the...
It's very easy to say terrible
Name one good mid to high salary free agent contract he’s handed out
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Barry Bonds
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Magowan. New owner’s big splash.
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
That was the 1993 contract. The 2007 contract. Technically, Barry was a FA
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh, right
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
What an elite talent evaluator
Re-signing the greatest modern day hitter pumped full of steroids.
I bow at the altar of Sabean
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Well, you asked. I haven’t exactly been giving Sabean glowing reviews for the past several years.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Is DeRosa Sabean’s fault or the fault of the medical crew that gave him a pass when he had his initial physical? I’m not sure you blame Sabean when the team doctors examined him and said he was ok to sign.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
by rxmeister on May 19, 2011 5:36 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
If we’re going to give Sabean credit for running a great drafting and scouting operation — and we should — he has to answer for the failures of the medical crew as well.
I’m just a basement-dwelling internet nerd, but I would never assume that a baseball player coming off wrist surgery was likely to be right as rain.
by Evan on May 19, 2011 8:21 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think acquiring those available at a discount for injury risk is a good policy, if you can afford failure. The only thing about both acquisitions that bugged me was price — I thought the market discounts would have been steeper.
I think Sabean has a “two years for $12 million” contract template that he hasn’t figured out how to alter yet.
by Evan on May 19, 2011 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
In this line
There was reason BLB insisted on his on medical staff & trainers. And I am being to doubt paranoia was that reason.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
I’m pretty sure this has more to do with flaxseed oil than anything.
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/ shrugs
Look at lot of Giants med decions from’04 on ( when theleague stopped allow access) and there are a lot of failures there. Either the med staff is missing things like Rowands does a low & way breakng ball or someone is ignoreing them.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on May 19, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Also not Sabean
He wasn’t the GM yet
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
matt morris
i kid
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on May 18, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
OK
Reggie Sanders
Ellis Burks
Ray Durham
Classy Randy Winn (who deserved better)
by Croix de Candy Maldonado on May 18, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
ellis burks for sure
Adoptive father of 18th round draft pick and future ace, BRANDON ALLEN
by Nnamdi Asomugha on May 18, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Do you realize how much longer the terrible signing list is?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
To be fair, your question wasn’t which list was longer, you only asked him to name “one good mid to high salary free agent contract he’s handed out”.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Ok so he has a couple decent signing
My original point was that he was a terrible talent evaluator
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Generally, mid to high salary free agent contracts are poor signings, often involving more years and annual salary than the “smart” contract.
Sabean has done a good job filling in holes with overlooked players at low prices, and trading non-prospects for valuable major leaguers. In this sense, he has been a perfectly decent GM. Not the financial genius that the As and Rays have been blessed with, but still decent.
A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. - SLC
Yes
But you asked us to name one. We named a bunch.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
4 is not a bunch
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Pedant.
He’s made more than one good FA signing, which you said he hadn’t. You were wrong.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Forest for the trees as usual
My overall point was that he is a terrible Major League talent evaluator. I posed the question because off the top of my head I couldn’t think of any of his good FA signing. Plenty of terrible ones came to my head right away.
I find you calling me a pedant hilarious. All you do is nitpick.
Why don’t you contribute to the heart of my overall point?
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
To be fair
GiantPain has to know a pedant when he sees one!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I didn't know what your overall point was until now
And maybe he’s a below average evaluator of ML talent. But that’s only one part of being a GM. And I think he’s good enough at the other parts to come out as an above-average GM.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Never commented on his overall GM abilities
All I said was that he is a terrible MLB Talent evaluator.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
OK
I guess I agree with you to a certain extent. Everyone has weaknesses. I don’t think that alone makes him a bad GM.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
You guys are totally ruining his opportunity to be bitter and unreasonable.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
hahaha
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
hahaha
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
hahaha
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
I'M A GIRL
by Prussian Creole on May 18, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha
I'm still in the old thread.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
hahaha?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on May 19, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Had you asked “name a bad Sabean trade” we also would have responded. With more than 4.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
or maybe I just would have said “Shea Hillenbrand” and left it at that
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
whoa. i forgot about him.
ryan klesko?
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
And for all the crap he gets
Klesko wasn’t that bad.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
he was pretty great for half a season
then he dropped off a cliff
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
As long as he only played half of that time.
I get Klesko was an easy guy to pull for but let not forgot get a MUCH large helping of old broken Rich Aurlia weakly ground because Klesko could start.
Yes , realize SAbean & Head had ahdn in that as well but that sitution was so annoying i have enough bitterness to spread between teh 3 of them.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
And produced two of the best pictures ever
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
OMG
Your right.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He looks like character actor Tim Guinee, too.
by non sequitur on May 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
DIVA! DIVA!
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:24 PM PDT up reply actions
I have an irrational hate for Ryan Klesko. I always hated him.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
/O-face
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
hey
glad I’m not the only one.
/throws helmet and bitches at umpire
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 19, 2011 4:36 AM PDT up reply actions
You seem to have an irrational hate for a lot of things...and love talking about them
Hating Renel and Kuip doesn’t really make much sense.
The thong is, it happened.
I'm sorry
GO TO HELL
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I JUST SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED OF THIS SHIT
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I will call your “Shea Hillenbrand” and raise you a “Sir Sidney Ponson.”
(and not because of Kurth Ainsworth, only because I can’t believe that fat load was ever on our team!)
by Croix de Candy Maldonado on May 18, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I was pretty excited when they got him. Same with Hillenbrand.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Ponson was a pretty decent pitcher for three years
I wasn’t excited, but thought getting him made sense. His stint with the Giants was really weird. Despite being a “failure” as a Giant, he put up a 114 ERA+. with the team.
The thong is, it happened.
I was nine years old and he had a bunch of wins.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Sorry, I forget you’re so wee. Yeah, I thought some funny things about baseball when I was 9, too. Like, ‘hey, this team is local and seems fun. I should be a fan and relegate myself to thirty years of gnashing my teeth!’
Oh, dear.
At least the Giants were good when I became a fan.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
86 for me a little bit, and then 1987 really hooked me in good.
I remember being so bummed when the WS ended that baseball was over.
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
Your mom's a girl
great year… except for my namesake at the end…
by Croix de Candy Maldonado on May 19, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
When the Giants got Hillenbrand, I thought “Oh no. Not that douche”.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I’m with you. I may have come close to throwing myself down a flight of stairs.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
oops, sorry… missed the FA signing caveat.
Still, his record really ain’t all that bad (other than the team’s decay in the late to post Bonds era).
Let me answer your question with a question: which organizations/GMs have had markedly better signings that Sabean over the years? I’m sure they are out there, just not sure that he ranks anywhere near the bottom.
by Croix de Candy Maldonado on May 18, 2011 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
intresting ...
but how do you define “better”? War/$ will not do it because there are times when a GM shouldn’t signing even mid level free agents over 32 and giving them 400+pa’s. See the Priates & Overbay for a current example or Dave Roberts after BLB left the building for good.
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
John Schuerholz and Walt Jocketty are unmistakably overall better GMs
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
The first Winn contract was pretty good
Moises wasn’t a bad sign either.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Moises was a really great hitter for the Giants
when he was healthy.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wow
I forgot how good he was.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He made the All Star Team??
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Somebody had to.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
lol Freddy Sanchez, 3-time All-Star
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Mole was very good in PIT
when many players were not.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was! But that’s why he was on the all-star team because he was the best player on a terrible team, not because he is one of the best players in the national league.
I think he only ever played in the All-Star game once, despite three trips.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
He won the batting title! /faint chasm
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
oh my
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I know.
I just really like him and he was the only bright spot on that team. I remember watching him thinking he was really good as a kid, now he wins championships.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I really like him too! Note the icon.
Let’s just remember that he is tied with Tim Lincecum for most All-Star trips on this roster. That’s a little silly.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Every year there is someone you look at and have to remember that rule on. Tim breaks it this year, or Mole will keep it tied.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I like Sanchez a lot
Seeing him on a daily basis, I had no idea how much defense he brings to the table
The thong is, it happened.
I have been a pretty rough critic of the price for both F. Sanchez moves but don't think he a "token" all star.
The first time he was playing mostly 3rd base ( 2006). Once you get past the elite in that position there is large long drop to the Russ Davis’ & Jose Castillios of the MLB and not much inbetween. ( So savor Panda while he can play there those with body type issues!!).
And once outside of the Uttly’s & Cano’s of an era most 2nd basemen are like the drummer in Spinal Tap. You hope to get 1 good season out of them before they spontaneously combust. Sanchez has not been an embarrassment at 2nd and he has not gone up completely in smoke for few years running and among 2nd base man that makes him better than most.
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Better than most, but other than the year he was batting champion there’s not been much of a case for him to be a starting All-Star over the aforementioned Utley, plus a crop of Uggla, Phillips, and a few others good enough to make Sanchez’s candidacy somewhat murky.
This isn’t meant to be a slight against Freddy, mind you. He’s just never particularly stood out in the league as a star player, regardless of the fact that he’s plenty good.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I get you aren't trying to slam him
But in 2007 besides Utley OPS+146 who do give the honor to among picked NL 2nd base men? Sanchez OPS + 104 , Philllips with his ops+ 105 , Weeks OPS+ 108, Uggla 108, Hudson OPS+ 104? Those are all pretty darn close.
The stronger case would 39 year old Kent OPS+ 123 & K. Johnsons OPS+116. To me that is defensible AS pick.
/ shrugs
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2011 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I know, I just don’t remember that at all. I dont’ remember Moises at all.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I remember that!
I just forgot how well he played. I mostly remember him being injured.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
One of the biggest "what ifs" in my history as a Giants fan
What if Bonds and Alou could have been healthy enough to play more than a handful of games together?
The thong is, it happened.
If he hadn't gotten hurt in 08
He might have gone on to be a borderline HOF’er.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I always thought him playing for his dad was a great story.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I always thought the coach’s son played SS/P.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Heh. I wish my dad would have thought so…
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 7:05 AM PDT up reply actions
He was. He was actually a legitimate guy to hit behind Bonds, but they rarely were ever both healthy at the same time.
by kingofthacove on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Aubrey Huff?
does that count as mid to high?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
Yesterday's thread but
He went after many bigger name free agents in the Bonds era. Seems like many people think SF as not a destination they want to play. He had been ratcheting up offers to get all star level players to fill holes. Just so happens these players play worse here.
Which brings me to my point, I wish we would get more top level rental players. Freddy Sanchez is an example of a player we know plays well at SBC and wants to be here. Coming from Pittsburg never hurt him or Schmidt.
To give Sabean credit, he used to have a veteran team and could not bring up players from the draft. Now his team brings up players from the draft, and he gets no credit there either. He is commander in chief of Giants baseball, and has had NL west titles, rebuilt the team, drafted future hall of famers (hopefully) and brought the title home.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Brian Sabean sucks big time.
The Giants won a WS ring IN SPITE of Brian, not because of him.
by Abby Normal TS on May 19, 2011 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Really
cuz he had nothing to do with drafting Timmy, Cain, Sanchez, Bumgarner, Posey, Panda, Wilson, and Romo. Absolutely nothing.
Oh yeah, and picking up Huff, Burrell, and Ross.
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The drafting credit goes to the Giants' scouts.
And there isn’t a veteran that BS doesn’t like. Sign enough of them, and you’ll get lucky every now and then.
But BS misses way more often than he hits. He’s like the Miguel Tejada of GM’s.
by Abby Normal TS on May 19, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Really? Cuz he doesn’t sign off on any of those picks especially the first rounders.
Oh yeah, he doesn’t pick the scouts. They just show up at the Giants footsteps.
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I agree with you Calbearjd
Haters going to hate.
The knock on Sabean in the 1997-2004 era, when the Giants were good previously under his tenure, he could not bring up position players. Now he brought up a ton of them (good draft picks for lowsy teams assisted with at least Posey, Lincecum and MadBum.) and he gets knocks for not having perfect free agent signings.
Renteria was offered 1 mil, left for 2.3 mil. So we had to overpay for Tejada instead of watching Buriss out there. Burrell was signed for a cool 1 mil. Cmon, Burrell is a steal. Who cares, we were forced to take Tejada and he sucks, so Sabean sucks.
Haters going to Hate
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions
I could see it now
Giants go 85-77 this year. 70-92 in 2012, 68-94 in 2013. 65-97 in 2014 with long term contracts to Rowand, De Rosa, Tejada all re-signed and some people will still say TGWTWS.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Sometimes the glass is half full
I haven’t been a big arguer of TGWTWS, but there were a fuckload of people whose basic premise was “The Giants will never amount to anything as long as Sabean is the GM (and/or Bochy is the manager).”
This same premise is rearing its head again with the Giants 23-19 and atop their division despite a fuckload of injuries and a fuckload of road games so far this season.
I’m starting to be convinced that there either:
- They really didn’t enjoy the WS win and couldn’t wait to jump on Sabean again
- They have huge egos and think they know more about running a MLB franchise
- There’s just no pleasing some people
I’m fine with questioning moves and transactions, but “so-and-so is an idiot” grows tiresome, especially when good things aren’t acknowledged. It’s hard to take them seriously and I’ve given up trying to argue. The argument above is typical. “Name one…” Several are named. “My point remains…”
I imagine these people are the same people at the office who, when someone has an idea to try a new way of doing something, try to either sabotage it by saying “Stupid idea; that’ll never work.” or wait and say “Stupid idea; what were they thinking?”, yet when something does work, they’re happy to cash the resulting bonus check.
In my experience, those are the people that tend to not get invited for lunch or out for drinks after work because no one likes being around them.
Every GM makes moves that don’t work. Sabean has made his share, perhaps more. But a lot of his moves that haven’t worked have been defensible at the time, even the Pierzynski move, which blew up so spectacularly in his face.
The thong is, it happened.
by Goofus on May 19, 2011 5:32 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
Why is this even a discussion point?
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> I’m fine with questioning moves and transactions, but "so-and-so is an idiot" grows tiresome
If they dumped Romo for some perceived upgrade, I believe I might start wearing a ‘Brian Sabean is an idiot’ T-shirt to games.
Wcw.
So would anyone, but Drew is not available for Romo. It’s my implicit assertion that his current market value is much lower than his actual value, partly because he doesn’t throw hard, largely because he’s never being used.
See above for the funnier version of this argument.
I'm not saying we could get Drew for Romo
…but rather holding it up as an obvious example of a case where I would trade him.
I like Romo a lot (he seems like about the nicest guy on the team too) and it would take an attractive deal for me to be happy about trading him, but to say I wouldn’t trade him would be saying he’s “untouchable” and that certainly shouldn’t be the case.
The thong is, it happened.
As someone who has written "The Giants will never amount to anything as long as Sabean is the GM" almost word for word, I have to rec this. There are plenty of things that Sabean does that drive me crazy, but to pretend that he doesn’t do a lot of things well is to deny reality — chiefly, presiding over what may be the premier player-development system in the game over the last five or six years.
I think an organization that can potentially
Bring up three heart of the order hitters in consecutive years, with guys like Neal and Brown not that far off, all whilst bringing up a new pitcher every year, has nothing to apologize for.
The thong is, it happened.
Well pitchers do occupy 11-13 spots on most 25 mand rosters.
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I missed the one batter Romo pitch to
Was he terrible?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
he threw a hanging slider that Kemp was a little late on
I believe
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Pretty much. Fat pitch, solid single to center.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Don’t think this deserves a pitching change, though.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I’d like to know what Bochy’s reasoning was there. If we heard something to the effect of “Righetti saw something he didn’t like,” I would feel much better, but I’m certainly not counting on it.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
I’m guessing it’s because Uribe feasts on hanging sliders and that Romo is more prone to throwing them than Wilson.
by kingofthacove on May 18, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
(And it’s very possible that he isn’t actually more prone to throwing hanging sliders, but that seems to be the perception, at least)
by kingofthacove on May 18, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I see people saying that Romo is prone to throwing hanging sliders a lot and I don’t think it’s really fair. We remember the hanging sliders he’s thrown because of the results, but he’s also thrown a lot more sliders that didn’t hang.
And now I see you’ve addressed this before.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
*below
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
*me
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
My guess
He considers Wilson simply the best option in a high-leverage situation and that was the highest leverage situation in the game. If Wilson gets Uribe, we praise Bochy for not being afraid to use his closer in the 8th.
The thong is, it happened.
Yes
I think Botch went to the pen too late the 2 games in Col, and knew he could get extra work out of Wilson, so he used his guns sooner.
WIlson looked shaky after so much time off. That and of course the tweak he had.
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
he’s only allowed to face one batter now. its in the bible/constitution.
Adopted Father of Marc Kroon. He better make the roster.
/ROOGY’d
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"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 19, 2011 4:38 AM PDT up reply actions
at what cost?
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions
If Rowcase and DeRosa are on the DL
Upgrade via injury!
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Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 19, 2011 4:39 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
He Was Obviously Blinded By Your Anti-Giants Bias.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Just poking a little fun at the expense of someone who doesn’t post here anymore.
Capitalization.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Lack of spelling errors
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
and maybe Swager wasn't around when he posted here
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I thought you were just down with the swag
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Talking about the poster Solidarity was parodying
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
They were really weird errors, too.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
As someone who used to be a violent abuser of the capitalization,
it’s just my reflex now because he made me go, “Do I look like that?”
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
What you did there, I SEE IT
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Thank god for Cody Ross
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Burriss can't hit, run or field
What’s not to like?
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by SFGuy on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Infield version of Velez
with less vroooom
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I lol'd
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
It's not going to be belt...
They will bring up Burris most likely. I’m hoping to see belt soon within a week-week and a half up in SF. Unless rowand is going to the DL then they would call up belt.
by Falconer88 on May 19, 2011 6:33 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Is it too soon
To set Crawford up to fail?
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Rohlinger
is never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna run around and desert you, never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye, and never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
SF Giants' record in the eleven-year twenty-first century/Pac Bell era: five MVPs, two CYA, one ROY, the two highest single-season OPS of all time (and two of the other top eight), the single-season and all-time HR records, two NL Pennants, and ... one World Championship
ankle???
thats all thats wrong with wilson? didnt seem like it
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by 24k state fan since 87 on May 18, 2011 10:53 PM PDT reply actions
I’m pretty sure he can’t throw 95 with an oblique strain or arm problem
by The Franchise on May 18, 2011 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
That is why the ankle makes sense to me now.
Oblique strain and Bochey would get killed for leaving him in. Guys don’t pitch through those. It looked like he was holding his side, but that is because that was what we were all expecting and therefore saw. He always looks like he is holding his side and tensed up on the follow through though.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
wtf was that game
o.O
I'm still in the old thread.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 10:53 PM PDT reply actions
lmgtfy.com
I'm still in the old thread.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I fully expect the Giants to turn for Romo one day in August, after not using him after tonight for a full 2 1/2 months… and find him old, brittle, and aged.
augh oh god
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Um.
Subject line?
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
I am SO sorry. What an egregious oversight. My apologies.
by Uncle Russel on May 18, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
It happens to the best of us.
It also happens to me sometimes.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Is this what happened to Tehahaha
from last season to this one?
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
I'm annoyed at BORK's lack of faith in Romo
That was absurd.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Yeah, he gives Wilson about a mile of rope
But Romo can’t give up one tiny single.
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
I'm glad they won
But I don’t care whether it was an ankle or an oblique, Wilson should not have been left in that game. With a three run lead and just one man on, the last thing you want to do is have your closer injure himself worse because he’s trying to pitch through pain in the MIDDLE OF MAY.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 18, 2011 10:55 PM PDT reply actions
And yes, I was also upset that Bochy didn’t leave Romo in the game. But that was in a kind of peeved at Bochy’s quirks way, as opposed to the mind numbing disbelief and seething rage that Wilson wasn’t taken out.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 18, 2011 10:56 PM PDT up reply actions
If he's hurt
No dancing (gifs) from me. This is cold but I don’t care about Rowand or De Rosa.
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BWeezy!
The most winningiest pitcher on the Giants staff.
Grant, your recap freaked me out
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
Game Summary
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
by Solidarity on May 18, 2011 10:56 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Director's Cut
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
On the bighter side ..
At least our team didn’t give up 13BB yesterday!
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
This game has pushed me into my surrealist phase.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
I forgot to start Cody for Pokemonz today :(
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Me too.
But I did start Huff. And Romo. ::sigh::
by WhatsAMataHari on May 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Cody and Cainer for me in an NL-Only league. This one hurt all over.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
I have Huff, Burrell and Ross
So because of Bochy, I have to be OCD in checking my lineup for that team and I wasn’t able to get to it today.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I really could have used both their lines tonight too
As my offense OPSed like .500 and Craig Kimbrel had an ERA of 54.00. I wanted more Giants on that team, but man, in NL-Only they went so fast. Belt was like a 4th round pick. My best pick was Brett Wallace in the 15th, though. He’s seriously eased the pain of Pujols’ slow start.
"My father's name is art, and my name's pride, and while my destiny reads a recipe for confusion I'm looking for whoever writes, so empty inside." -Slug
Fontenot's bases loaded walk was awesome.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
especially since he went out there with a 2 strike count
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
If he had struck out, I believe that K would have been logged to DeRosa
So it was the least he could do.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
does DeRosa get the walk?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I think he only gets the walk if there were already 3 balls. Don’t have great memory on it, so maybe not.
by kingofthacove on May 18, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I dunno.
RULES GURU’S ASSEMBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLE!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I think Fontenot gets credit for the walk, since he works from behind in the count (even, but still).
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
I’m sure DeRosa gets credit for the K if Fontenot strikes out. I’m not sure about a walk, but I think I remember the count already requiring 3 balls for the original batter to get credit.
by kingofthacove on May 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
that makes sense.
He did most of the work to get there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Fontenot was 1 for 1 with 2 walks and an RBI. De Rosa was 0 for 1 with a strike out, no walks.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
START HIM NOW!
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by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Did you see his play in the hole last night?
Good range, above average bat, lefty. What is not to like about Fontenot everyday SS?
Time to repeat in '11!
by Myemail21479 on May 19, 2011 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I think there are actually highly specific rules to determine how credit is doled out, but they are fairly intuitive when you read them.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
10.15b: When a batter leaves the game with two strikes against him, and the substitute batter completes a strikeout, the official scorer shall charge the strikeout and the time at bat to the first batter. If the substitute batter completes the turn at bat in any other manner, including a base on balls, the official scorer shall score the action as having been that of the substitute batter.
Makes sense.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
That is less specific than I recall! Guess I was remembering incorrectly. But there you go.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
1.5 walks tonight!
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Doesn't know how to win
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Brian Wilson does.
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by Soulbrother16 on May 18, 2011 10:58 PM PDT up reply actions
If the Giants had lost tonight I would have swore they were filming a baseball related sequel to Groundhog Day
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Bring up Travis Ishikawa?
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is there room on the 40 man roster?
plus if you are going to bring up TI you just bring up Belt.
Let's bring the...
This
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on May 18, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'll this that others have said
Why is Alex Hinshaw on the 40-man roster?
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
We have been asking this for, what, three years now?
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At this point
I honestly think the Giants just forgot he’s on there.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I just checked the team website, he not on the active roster, but on the 40
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by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
What's sad is that he's not the worst player on the 40 man
by Gobroks on May 18, 2011 11:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Henry Sosa is on the 40-man?
I don’t even know what position he plays.
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by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Very bad.
I'm still in the old thread.
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by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
check the entire roster on the team website. I dont even know like 5 of them there
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There used to be a legitimate reason for Sosa on the 40-man.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
It looks like DeRosa is gonna be back on DL
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TO THE TWITTERMOBILE
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Giants back in First.
Reunited and it feeeelllss sooo goooooood.
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by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 10:58 PM PDT reply actions
OT
WTF?!?! Sean Burroughs is back?
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lol
someone is vacuuming in the background of the post-game wrap.
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If Fontenot is Frodo, then Cody is Smeagol.
This is proof.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
And so it is.
"For science. You monster."
by KINGofCRA5H on May 18, 2011 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
BRING UP KEENAN THOMPSON
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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BRING UP KEENEN IVORY WAYANS
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Bring up Keenan and Kell
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by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Who loves orange (and black) soda?
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
There’s black soda?
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by Soulbrother16 on May 18, 2011 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions
There's a black Stormy?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I think it’s called cola
but technically I guess that’s a really dark brown
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Mountain Dew figured purple was close enough
by rightcenterfielder on May 18, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually really liked this soda
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WHAT THE FUCK IS 'JUICE'?
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your sig leads to some real surreal stuff
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I don’t know why I chose that of all things to put there when I first made an account, especially because it’s not Giants-related. I guess maybe because of the Michael Scott-shaped hole in my heart.
"It squeaks when you bang it."
and since you asked, I love orange sode precisely due to the squeak it makes when banged.
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yeah
the stuff is insane. every once in a while I get a craving for it. one can of that sugar bomb cures me of that need for a long time
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Sorry, it was rude of me not to ask about your comment! My apologies. I just dived into that explanation of the sig there without addressing the connection with the original orange soda discussion. You are quite right about the squeak when banged. I’ll keep that in mind the next time I have an orange soda. I think my roommate has some Orange Crush in the kitchen cabinet.
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Missed the entire game except for the Boss' homer
Still raging at Bochy?
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Words cannot describe my distaste for Bochy right now
I was hoping that something clicked with him, but his decisions are baffling to me. There is NO rhyme or reason to his decisions in the late games right now. Grant was right, it is very Alou-esque. Your best bullpen guy is Romo, and yet you pull him after one batter? And right now Huff is really starting to anger me as well, but Bochy is getting ALL of my rage for the time being.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:02 PM PDT reply actions
I didn't watch the game
but why is bringing in a well rested Wilson a bad decision?
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It wasn’t that. It was leaving Cain in to start the 8th.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 18, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Because it means taking out a well-rested Romo after one batter. It is pointless.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I still don’t get.
Romo gives up a hit and Bochy is bad for bringing in Wilson?
Also, Cain got 2 outs with a man on first in the 8th. Bochy took him out with men on 1st and 2nd.
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"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I think the frustration is more about how Bochy has been using Romo the last few weeks and tonight’s decision to pull him after one hitter led to hair-pulling and teeth-gnashing
by Rook Takes Pawn on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
But then why bring in Romo at all? What is the point of wasting a guy for one hitter?
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Because you usually don’t want your closer to have to 4 outs to get a save.
Is that really what people are griping about? Really?
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the whole inning was marked by the same pitching management incompetence that we’ve seen the last few games.
it might not have been nearly as egregious if it were isolated. but with the dumb stuff lately?
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Okay so Bochy screwed up in Colorado. What does it have to do with this decision?
I know there are a lot of romosexuals here but it’s not a bad decision.
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He screwed up here too.
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how? It was a completely reasonable decision to bring in Wilson after Romo had given up a hit
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I’m going to say that out of context, it was reasonable to bring in Wilson for a 4-out save, with runners on base and a 3-run lead.
But that’s only if he brings Wilson in after Lopez. To bring in Romo to face Kemp, only to remove him after Kemp gets on base for Wilson is rediculous.
So while I agree with your assertation, the context in which it happened was wrong. Also, should have started the inning with Romo, giving way to Lopez for Ethier (or not at all).
This is the 3rd straight game Bork has left the starter in too long, and mismanaged the bullpen by over or undermanaging.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Cain was left in too long. 111 pitches, left with one out, a man at first and a 3 run lead is hardly too long.
Romo gave up the single which brought the tying run to the plate. It’s not rediculous
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I completely agree Cain was left in too long. There is no reason for him to even start the 8th. This has been happening far too frequently lately. And on top of that, when Bork does remove the SP, he doesn’t seem to have a grip on who should be coming in- his micro-matchups game or over-matchups game is just rediculous.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually…it’s a typo. I don’t think Cain was left in too long.
The micromanaging is getting a little annoying.
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I’ll just have to agree to disagree on Cain being left in too long. He batted with a man on base in the top 8th, which kills a scoring op.
Then at 105 pitches, he is sent out for the bot 8th because Bork wanted to get to the matchup that would bring Lopez in. RamRam could easily have done that without opening the door to a rally-starter.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:18 AM PDT up reply actions
Dammit
you guys were complaining that he wasn’t getting used at all and now that he is you are STILL complaining.
What more do you want?
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
for him to be used properly?
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You should know better than this.
You did read that I wrote that right?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Their intentions are good.
They’re working pro-Romo.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
so you’ll throw me a line?
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Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Pffffft. Don’t flatter yourself, we don’t read your blog/charts/spreadsheet, nerb!
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I don't publicize my spreadsheet
too busy clutching it.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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(fingers rosary)
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Did you buy her dinner first?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Didn’t even have to!
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We went Dutch!
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/Finger in the dike joke.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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don’t forget – he brought in Lopez first, who got Ethier.
Then Romo gave up the knock to Kemp. Then all hell broke loose…
by Croix de Candy Maldonado on May 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I have no problem bringing in Wilson
I have a problem bringing in Romo for one batter, with another righty on deck, and pulling him to bring in Wilson. If you don’t think he can get one out, then just bring in Wilson to face Kemp. It makes no sense to burn Romo for one batter every time out.
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait what?
Why is it a problem for bringing Romo for one batter? He didn’t do his job and the bases are loaded
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The bases were not loaded.
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correction noted
So if Bochy left Romo in and he gives up the double. Bochy is good?
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This is a logical fallacy but I’m not sure what it’s called.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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ceteris parabus?
ther’es no saying romo gives up the double.
On the other hand, the fact that kemp only hit a single doesn’t mitigate it.
I believe it's begging the question
But I could be wrong.
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No, it’s not quite begging the question, unless he’s assuming that Romo would have definitely blown the lead if he’d been left in.
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begging the question is a subset of something
to google!
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We probably still would be mad because of Cain, but with regard to Romo that would be a decent process leading to bad results.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
What’s with leaving Cain in the 8th?
It’s not like he was getting pounded there. 2 outs with a man at first and a 3 run lead when he left.
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cause there’s no reason for it. he batted the inning before. was at 105 pitches. let the bullpen start out the inning, less stress
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Batted with a runner on, too.
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Et tu, Ribe?
I thought it was weird that Torres didn’t PH, and then it was Ford to play CF in the 9th
I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby.
Bear in mind that Rowand injured his back stepping on first, and batted after Cain. Ford entered the game as an injury replacement, though I still would have PHed Torres regardless.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Sorry, I wrote that in a confusing way. It was two separate thoughts, the first being that Torres didn’t hit for Cain. I wasn’t as surprised to see Ford replace Rowand in CF, if they wanted to give Torres the day off. Pinch-hitting seems like an off-day treat, while chasing balls down on a late and cold night doesn’t.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 6:19 AM PDT up reply actions
If a starter (or any pitcher) is cruising, I tend to want him to stay in there
You never know what you’re going to get from who you bring in on any given day.
This really bugged me when we had both Beck and Hernandez. Hernandez would be mowing people down, but Baker would still bring in Beck, who may or may not have had good stuff that game.
The thong is, it happened.
One out.
Let him start the inning, gave up a leadoff hit, let him face another batter. Sound familiar?
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Wait. So it’s Bochy’s fault that his bullpen can’t close a game with one man out and one out in the 8th with a 3 run lead?
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It’s Bochy’s fault that he has four very good to great relievers who are well-rested, and Bochy insists on stretching out his starters instead.
With a 3-run lead and six outs to get, there is no reason not to go to the bullpen.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
What?
So manager should not allow their starters to finish games.
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Cain started the inning at 105 pitches, and batted in the top half of the inning with a runner on.
He pitched fine, but…
THAT’S WHAT THE BULLPEN IS THERE FOR.
Being a starter isn’t a goddamn pissing contest.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
This sounds very familiar….
(insert starting pitcher) started the inning at (insert pitches), and batted in the top half of the inning.
He pitched fine, but…
THAT’S WHAT THE BULLPEN IS THERE FOR.
Being a starter isn’t a goddamn pissing contest.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s even more true today than it was yesterday.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I think yesterday was the more egregious offense, but if Cain gives up two baserunners in the 8th today, then we’re in the same situation as yesterday.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions
Cain managed to get the out, for which he gets full credit, but that he faced a second hitter at all was intensely frustrating.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
So, if you put aside the result of the second hitter (of which yes, full credit to him), you’re still looking at the fact that he faced a hitter, gave up a hit, and was left in to face another.
Same situation as yesterday, slightly better managed, but essentially the same result: blown lead
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions
In other words, I totally agree. I was thinking “Did you NOT just see this same scenario unfold yesterday, Bork?”
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions
God in Heaven, fellow . . .
. . . save up and buy a vowel.
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I think they’re fresh out after you dropped “artistic verisimilitude” on us.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'd wager . . .
. . . that Mr. Sullivan has more where that came from.
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it just seems that Bochy’s bullpen use is a coin flip at this point. I don’t see any kind of “process” as you so eloquently put it.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
His process boils down to “Javier Lopez is good”.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Lopez did his job tonight. Romo didn’t.
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You're going through with this, aren't you?
Should every pitcher get pulled after failing to retire one batter?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
No
but it’s not unreasonable that he does get yanked.
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Yes, those doinks . . .
. . . are a sure sign of a bad pitcher.
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I didn’t say he was a bad pitcher. I said it was not unreasonable for Romo to get yanked.
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Also, it would definitely not surprise me if both Romo and Wilson were more than a little rusty tonight.
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I think that if Romo had been used correctly in previous outings, people wouldn’t be so quick to say that Romo got shafted by Bork tonight.
But because he is never used, when he does come in for one batter, fail or not, and is taken out, people get upset. I know I would.
There are plenty of times last year where Romo pitched to a RHB and out or no out, Wilson came in.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:36 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s simple. Lopez vs lefties. Romo vs. 1 righty. And, he’ll extend his starter to get the right matchup.
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by AndYourBirdCanSing on May 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
that looks almost reasonable
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
except (outside of tonight) it has been Lopez vs lefties and righties, Romo vs 1 batter (or not used at all)
This is the recurring theme that everyone is pissed off about. Romo never even gets a chance to defend himself to Bork by getting out of an inning, because he never gets the chance. He’s always removed first.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Is there a reason why you say “McCovern”? I’m wondering, I saw you use it on twitter and I thought it was a typo.
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haha
I was just wondering if it was intentional.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I think we have different understandings of what Romo’s job should be.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
What is Romo’s job?
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I think it was supposed to be what it was last year. The set up guy. Not the guy who pitches once a week to one batter.
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree with Romo being the set up guy but if he is brought in in the 8th with 2 outs and a man at first and gives up a single. Why is it wrong to bring in Wilson?
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Because he’s a good pitcher, Uribe coming up next is a right handed hitter and he doesn’t deserve to have a one baserunner hook.
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but can understand the fear of a hanging slider being hit for a HR
Wilson came in throwing 97. The odds of Uribe getting around on that and hitting it out of the park are probably lower than a hung slider from Romo leaving the yard.
Avoiding the HR might have been the thought process
The thong is, it happened.
Romo doesn’t actually give up that many HR.
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Which is hilarious, because Uribe’s double came on a hanging slider.
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Yeah, they both hit hanging sliders. I think I said it at the time: we could’ve left Romo in to get the same effect.
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Yes. Cause that’s why Bochy thought would happen when he called Wilson in.
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We’re at an impasse, then. I think it was silly to bring Romo in for Kemp and Kemp alone. Romo’s stats are comparable or better than Wilson’s. I find it somewhat disingenuous for you to claim that you’re worried about the under use of Romo and yet be perfectly ok with him getting yanked after Kemp’s single.
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Because there’s no reason to make a pitching change. Pitching changes aren’t things that a manager should make just for shits and giggles.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
What do you assume that is the case?
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I’m not sure I understand the question.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Why do assume Bochy was pulling Romo for the heck of it.
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Now, it’s certainly possible that they saw something they didn’t like from Romo tonight and that’s why they pulled him.
But he has, since the beginning of May, pitched only sparingly and on a ridiculously short leash, with no real good reason for that.
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May 2011
5 games, 1.1 innings pitched, 6 batters faced.
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Et tu, Ribe?
Doubly when you realize that the only time he faced two batters is when we had already blown a lead.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
and even more so when you realize that he was the one who was supposed to be used in the situation before the lead was blown (in reference to yesterday, a game I still haven’t forgotten.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s just not making good use of the resources available to the team right now.
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So much so that I’m changing my sig.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Didn’t I help you come up with that??
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Whoever put up the “inconceivable” was certainly the midwife. It was already percolating when everyone was freaking out about Romo.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
that was me!
i’d rather be doula though
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess I just have an issue with bringing in any pitcher to face one batter when another that hits from the same side is also on deck. I think if you are only giving the guy one shot to get out of it, you might as well bring in the closer for a 4 out save anyway
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I really don’t understand this. I thought the point was to win the game. If Bochy thinks that Wilson gives him the best opportunity to win then Wilson is in.
You guys rather Bochy just bring Wilson in after Lopez?
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It’s been a larger pattern of Romo being underutilized.
He is our second best reliever in the pen. He should be used as such. Bochy is not using him that way right now.
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Okay. But I’m talking about tonight.
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Tonight is another data point in the larger pattern of Romo’s usage over the last few weeks.
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Today is not a data point at all. It’s just an extension of the rage from the last couple of night.
I feel like McC sometimes falls in love with a player and can’t let go. Bowker, Nate, and now Romo.
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Why would I want to let go of my love of Romo?
If anyone is being irrational about a player here, it’s you, who has admitted in the past that you “don’t trust Romo” because “every time you see him, he’s giving up hits and runs”, even though if you look at his career stat-line, it’s clear that he is one of the best relief pitchers in the league.
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Romophobia is not logical.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
To be honest, I never really believed he was anything special, but the numbers do show he’s been very good.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Holy poop, he comes in and strikes out batter after batter after batter.
What do you want, blood from a stone?
I just never noticed. I don’t know why. Prejudice?
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
You hate people who are adorable!
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I may be extra Romosexual because when he was decimating the Cal League I wrote him off as a soft-tossing minor-league reliever. Boy was I wrong.
wcw wuz wrong!
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Ah, well, if that’s part of the personal liking part of the equation, I don’t tend to pay attention to the minors.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
No, I registered his adorable quotient in game interviews … this is strange. I don’t much like him and there’s no reason why.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it might be an extention of the Bob Howry thing a few years ago
Everyone remembers the home runs he gives up but doesn’t notice the decent pitching (in Romo’s case: dominance) that happened between.
Again: Howry was a better Giant than you thought.
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I think this is especially ridiculous because Sergio Romo really doesn’t give up a whole lot of HR.
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There's not a lot of them
but I bet most people can name most of them.
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Much like Renteria’s home runs.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
he had a 4.9 xFIP
His peripherals were crap. I don’t even want to look up his WPAs.
He had a low BABIP that year, so that helped him
but ERA+ was 127, only gave up 5 HRs in 63.2 IP and a WHIP of 1.15.
He was a good reliever for the Giants that year. Then he turned back into Bob Howry.
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ERA is next to useless for relievers
His WPA that year was -0.9.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/romose01.shtml
This is the bbref page of a very good relief pitcher.
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Sergio Romo: 0.87 ERA, 0.9 BB/9, 13.9 K/9. 16-1 K/BB! Ok, small sample size for this year, with only 10.1 IP. So:
2010: 2.18 ERA, 2.0 BB/9, 10.2 K/9, 5.00 K/BB
2009: 3.97 ERA, 2.9 BB/9, 10.9 K/9, 3.73 K/BB
2008 is also awesome.
The point is that Romo is an excellent pitcher. His peripheral numbers are outstanding, his traditional numbers are outstanding. He’s just great for his entire career, and Bochy has just decided that Romo can’t get it done. It’s just boulderheaded.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions
At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they got rid of him sometime this year, and that would be a disaster.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
If they dumped Romo for some perceived upgrade, I believe I might start wearing a ‘Brian Sabean is an idiot’ T-shirt to games.
How about Romo and Tejada?
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OK, let's lay this out
Sergio Romo has been in the major leagues since 2008. He’s thrown 140 innings between then and now.
So, let’s find a listing of relief pitchers who have thrown at least 100 innings since 2008. There are a bunch of them; according to fangraphs, there are 179. Now, let’s sort them by stats and see where Sergio Romo ranks.
ERA: 14th
K/9: 18th
BB/9: 6th
K/BB: 4th
FIP: 11th
We’re not talking about some young talent that we have great hopes for. We’re not talking about someone who we think might turn it around.
We’re talking about a guy who has literally been one of the 15 or so best relief pitchers in the major leagues since he came up.
And he’s being used terribly.
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For emphasis
Most teams do not have a relief pitcher who is as good as Sergio Romo.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Looks like he’s been relegated to ROOGY. Lopez has taken over that slot.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
My issue is
If you’re going to bring in Wilson, bring him in to face Kemp. If you’re going to use Romo, let him finish the 8th
by Gobroks on May 18, 2011 11:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Why?
Why should Romo have to finish the 8th?
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If you’re not going to trust him to be able to get one of two RHH out, why not just bring Wilson in to begin with?
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Bochy probably thinks a 5-out save is unthinkable. (whoa)
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
It was a 4 out save after Lopez got Ethier
IIRC
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by Badly Browned on May 18, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
… oh. right.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Because Romo gave up a hit to the batter he faced.
I really don’t get this rage. So Bochy is bad for not bringing in Wilson for an 4 out save?
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I'm convinced that no matter what Bochy did, the second-guessers would be raging.
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by BusterHomerun on May 18, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t really get this. I feel as though I am very consistent in my position on this point.
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Well, you are. It’s just, the question is, is what Romo’s role should be, and why.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough righties, switch hitters and general 8th inning duty except for tough lefties, which go to Lopez.
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Et tu, Ribe?
Really, if the Giants are going to stick to a strictly defined closer role (and they are, whether it makes sense or not), Romo should be used whenever there’s a high-leverage situation and Lopez is unsuitable.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I’d give tough lefties (Howard, Gonzalez, Ethier, etc.) or back-to-back lefties to Lopez. Maybe an occasional LRL if the righty isn’t Albert Pujols.
I don’t think we disagree, though.
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Et tu, Ribe?
That seems about right, although I’d shy away from even the LRLs unless the lefties were very good hitters.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I’d rather it be Lopez than Affeldt or Runzler.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
There’s really no reason for Runzler to be on this team.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
He’s basically the second mop-up man. Comes in to add more gas to the fire after Affeldt gets it started.
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And somehow Bochy has switched that so he goes to Lopez for the general stuff and Romo has been put into the exceptions … okay, I think I understand now.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
this isn’t second guessing. This is first guessing. If you don’t think a guy who has a batting average against righties well below 200 can get out one of 2 guys, then don’t bring him in at all.
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Again
Bochy didn’t want to bring in Wilson for a 4 out save. So he went to Romo.
Romo gave up a single and Bochy feels that with the tying run at the plate, he had to bring in Wilson.
It’s not like Romo K’d the guy and then Wilson was brought in.
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The problem is that that is dumb
Sergio Romo is more than good enough to be trusted with the tying run at the plate.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Well, now we’re getting into the whole issue of set roles in the bullpen, which I know seems irrational in several cases.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
True
Baseball is backwards in a lot of ways when it comes to relief pitching, whether it be overpaying for relievers or improperly using them.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
The issue is, Romo is very good, and Bochy doesn’t use him, and we demand to know why.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions
You trust him Bochy does not. But it’s not unreasonable.
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It’s not unreasonable for a manager not to trust a pitcher with a career ERA of 2.5, a career BAA of .192 and a career K/BB of 4.71? That seems like the very definition of unreasonable to me. If you can’t trust a pitcher like that, who can you trust?
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This isn’t going to get resolved. We will just have agree to disagree for now.
I like Romo and I believe him to an excellent reliever. I also agree that Bochy is using him way to little and rely too much on Lopez (especially since one of Lopez’s biggest assets is deception)
I just don’t think tonight’s decision was worth the rage.
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You understand, though, that the rage is more of a function of the larger usage pattern this past month? Though many of us disagreed with the decision tonight, it’s more the fact that that decision exists along with the other Romo-related decisions that have been made this month. It compounds.
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Yes. I understand that now. It’s probably cuz the overlord chose tonight to talk about it that I focused on tonight.
Anyone ask Bochy about Romo?
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Fun Fact
Dan Szymborski’s ZiPS projections for pitchers, rated by ERA+, has Romo 9th in MLB. Actually 8th, because Billy Wagner was first on the list.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
Fail: it is NOT fun.
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well they clearly did think he could get one guy out; he came in. He gave up a hit on a fat single and then he came out. That brings in Wilson who’s perfectly fine vs righties. Is that really such a bad thing?
Then just bring him in for a four out save after you remove Lopez. Game goes to extras, you have an extra guy in the pen available. Especially with a closer that can get a 4 out save usually no problem. Burning bullpen guys who shouldn’t be ROOGY’s is very odd to me.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
but when romo was brought in, the plan probably was…ok, we don’t know what the plan was. let me start again.
when romo was brought in, he was brought in for at least kemp, presumably to get him out. He didn’t, and gave up a single to kemp on a bad pitch. I don’t know if bochy’s original plan was to remove romo after kemp, or if he was originally going to leave romo in vs uribe and changed his mind. Either way, the next pitcher to come in is Wilson, who is perfectly cromulent, being fine vs righties. Whatever the case, after seeing what romo did with kemp they were eventually in the conclusion that wilson would be better than romo at that point. I think it’s defensible either way at that point ( for example, if they didn’t think Romo had putaway stuff with his first pitches).
Anyway, if Wilson had come in for a 4 out save instead of romo at all, that would be pretty ridiculous right there. There’s righties! You have to at least try Romo out. Bochy did, and didn’t like the result enough to keep Romo in.
As far as Romo in the ROOGY role, I don’t really see much point in them putting him there. But I can’t get worked enough about it until the bullpen gets significantly worse
The bullpen has squandered the lead in three straight games. I think that counts as pretty bad.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Well, if you really think this bullpen is bad, then I guess there isn’t much to talk about. But going backwards from today to the rockies you have:
-Wilson and Romo combine to blow the save
-Lopez being used vs a switch and righties, and giving up the GWH to a lefty (lefties previously batting 3/30 on him)
-the bullpen giving up 0 runs and lincecum blowing it
The bullpen is fine. What, you think they’ll have 0 RA/9 allowed? We haven’t even seen half of the relievers recently
I’m not saying it’s bad. The way it’s been used, however, has made it bad.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I don’t know, I guess this is a matter of opinion that I don’t get on board. The rockies game was bad, putting in Jansen to pitch to matt cain is bad. Not using Romo very much seems like something that will at some point be improved on, especially since last year romo got a goodly number of innings. Most of the games the bullpen has been used at least adequately, and even today the biggest mistakes made were 1. not removing cain (who ended up getting 2 outs and 1 baserunner) and 2. not leaving in Romo vs uribe (which I just don’t think is that grievious).
Red flags are probably that lopez is getting righty playing time and affeldt, somehow runzler is still up…
the biggest issue I have with the reaction to “put away stuff” is that relievers like Affeldt, who has been a fairly hot mess out of the pen this year continues to be brought in, and left in, no matter the consequences, including having the worst offense in the NL, yet the one guy who can pretty consistently be relied upon is given a quick hook, thus destroying any confidence he has in himself along the way.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:46 PM PDT up reply actions
affeldt is “working through his struggles” I think is the justification you’d hear. If he wasn’t played, he probably isn’t going to get better and you won’t find out if he’s going to do it.
Is it a good reason not to bring in Romo? Nah. But if you didn’t ever play him either except in low leverage and you know he’s terrible, same thing as you said reinforcing him
giving a guy with .1 innings pitched in a week one batter to show that he has stuff isn’t going to make him pitch better though. Pen guys need regular work, and to this point, Romo seems to be getting the least amount of work out of all of them.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m pretty much going to just reserve judgment on it for another month. there’s only so many innings in a game and I don’t know what their strategy is, although giving javier lopez equal playing time vs righties certainly isn’t promising.
After may, when lopez has turned into the ROOGy and romo is pitching long relief, I’ll break out the pitchsporks, but until then things change around.
He did bring Wilson in for a four out save. But if that was what he wanted to do, he should have just done it to begin with. Romo is too good of a pitcher to be on an “allow one baserunner and get the hook” leash.
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In his mind, he was forced to bring in Wilson for a 4 out save because Romo didn’t do his job.
It’s a whole different issue about Bochy’s use of bullpen in general but tonight…I don’t understand the rage.
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Some people are raging, but I don’t think I am. Where is there any rage in what I’m saying?
Wilson didn’t do his job either, but you notice that when Wilson messes up, he is rarely in danger of being pulled because of one mistake. I don’t understand why Romo is not given the same leash – or any leash at all, for that matter.
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It’s roles. Wilson’s the “closer”, so he has to stick with him and not change for anyone else unless he has to. Apparently Romo is no longer the “set-up guy”.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, I’m talking about tonight. Romo is on a short leash (regardless of justification) and gave up a hit.
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You are asking why people are “raging” and I am explaining. You can’t ask a question like that and then look at this game in a vacuum, when the “rage” comes from the longer pattern, and then say, “Well, I’m only talking about this game.”
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How was he forced to bring him in? Because the tying run came up? Romo so far this year has been the most consistent person in the pen. For some reason Bochy doesn’t have confidence in him. I don’t get why. I am trying hard not to rage, and hope you don’t think I am directing it at you, I am just very confused as to what the thinking is.
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think the rage is at me. Just a baseball discussion.
Again, I understand the displeasure about Romo’s role. Personally, I am not comfortable with Romo in high leverage situation due to my SSS bias of him. But I understand the stat love for him.
Yes, because the tying run is at the plate.
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I understand your stance on this, but burning bullpen guys for one batter, regardless of outcome seems short sighted to me. Especially with a 4 out closer. Just bring the closer in to begin with, ya know?
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
Some people say Chuck Norris can throw a 100 mph fastball. I can throw Chuck Norris 100 mph. FACT ~ Brian Wilson
by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Again, you're second-guessing.
Maybe if Romo got Kemp out, then Ross hits that home run in the top of the 9th, Wilson would never have come in.
Maybe Bochy thought Romo was good enough with the tying run on deck, but for the tying run at the plate, he’d rather have Wilson.
Fortune favors the lucky.
by BusterHomerun on May 18, 2011 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn’t second-guessing. It didn’t make sense at the time to me either. If you have a 4 out closer, and not enough faith in your “set-up” ROOGY, then just bring in the closer. I have zero issues with Wilson getting 4 outs, I have issues with a setup guy being used for one batter.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe Bochy thought Romo was good enough with the tying run on deck, but for the tying run at the plate, he’d rather have Wilson.
Here’s the problem. This is a wrong thing to think.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Exactly, if that is the case, never bring Romo in with a one run lead? Might as well take him out of the 8th inning role that he plays.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s a bit of an overstatement.
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But if they are afraid of him squandering a lead by giving up a home run with a hanging slider, that is the case. If you have more faith in Ramirez that’s fine.
Now that the Giants are Champs (and I have proof!) what do I have to bitch about....oh yeah, I also root for the Browns!
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by Cant_buy_a_run on May 18, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
If there is rage, it is because Bochy is not using his best pitchers in the best situations, for no reason that is particularly apparent to a reasonable observer. “SSS bias” is not a legitimate reason.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
ouch. I’m still here you know.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Search your feelings, you know this to be true
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Romo is my father?
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One batter is not a very good sample size to decide whether Romo is any good.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
It could have been something they saw in his warm up pitches
When the TV breaks for commercials, Bochy and Rags get to watch Romo warm up. He might not have his “best stuff”, maybe he was was haning sliders and wild with FBs and they decided he’d have a short leash this night.
It might explain why Wilson was already heating up himself.
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I don’t know how much observation of the bullpen is possible from the dugout at the Latrine.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 6:31 AM PDT up reply actions
I was referring to his warm up pitches on the real mound
But they do have a phone and Gardy’s opinion is probably worth something.
Not hard to imagine him saying “Romo’s warm, but he doesn’t have his best slider, I’d keep a short leash and get Wilson going.”
Rags and Bochy then could have watched his eight throws from the real mound, seen sliders hanging and said “Yup, short leash.”
Do I know this or believe this to be the case? Not necessarily, but I think it’s an example of the type of thing we armchair managers are clueless on.
I always suspect that Bochy has more things that go into a decision that we realize. A guy who’s paying enough attention to catch Mattingly’s 2nd trip to the mound isn’t exactly napping in the dugout.
The thong is, it happened.
I’m skeptical of that sort of granularity. I have heard more than one pitcher say that you never really know what you’ve got until you start throwing live pitches.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Basically what Jponry said
But also, if you don’t trust Romo to get Uribe then dont let him face Kemp
by Gobroks on May 19, 2011 4:03 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
why bring in Romo at all? It’s just jerking him around.
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What? Bochy brought Romo in to face the Dodger’s best hitter. Obviously he had faith in him. After giving up the hit, Bochy may have thought differently and did not want to leave his best reliever in the bullpen.
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Not necessarily
I’d be willing to bet he stays in as long as he gets people out. I don’t agree with not trusting Romo, but could see how a manager would trust Wilson more in a high-leverage situation.
The thong is, it happened.
I don’t get this comment
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What is not to get?
Romo allowed a hit to the only batter he faced and Wilson blew a 3 run lead. Seems pretty straightforward to me.
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by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t get what it has to do with Bochy’s decision to pull Romo and bring in Wilson
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That’s how I feel about the McCoven sometimes.
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by NuschlerFace on May 18, 2011 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly!
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by NuschlerFace on May 18, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
I generally hate you, w. And gallo and owlcroft.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait, does that mean you hate me, or that he hates you? Because I feel like he is devaluing his hate if he’s spreading it around so freewheelingly. Jeepers. Whatever happened to faith and loyalty?
I meant that he hates me! Sorry to dilute the hate!
by Every6thDay on May 19, 2011 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions
He hate me
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I’m glad you don’t hate me :)
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That shot of Romo in the dugout
Hella :(
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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Or was the ‘Hella :(’ a reference to him looking sad?
by fishmicmuffin on May 19, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Pulled his jersey up over his face.
One could tell he was taking it pretty hard.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
He seems to be a pretty emotional guy. And he was very angry on the mound when he saw he was being removed.
Also, there’s a factor I think some are missing- Romo knows Bork doesn’t trust him right now, or whatever it is, which puts a ton of pressure on Romo to get the batter out.
That could also be a mitigating factor.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions
This one or the Huff HR against the Mets game.
I gave up in that one after the Mets loaded the bases in the ninth.
That was a frustrating game.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
Yes, yes it was.
I forgot how maddening both halves of the 9th were.
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Et tu, Ribe?
Javier Lopez
Was an escape artist that day.
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by oldjacket on May 19, 2011 8:14 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Ankle or oblique?
Just talked with my dad who had two very good points:
1) If this was really an ankle injury, why didn’t the trainers appear to be looking at his ankle? Usually, if something like that happened, they’d be feeling for swelling and rotating the joint to see how bad it was.
2) If it was an ankle injury because he “stepped in a hole” why weren’t they trying to fix the mound afterwards? This one really seems like a smoking gun to me.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 18, 2011 11:07 PM PDT reply actions
It certainly wouldn’t be the first time a professional sports team has lied about the specifics of an injury.
Idolizing Robb Nen since 2002...
by Smoke on the Water on May 18, 2011 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions
NE Patriots are the worst. I know, I know two different sports.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
If this was hockey, he could have been decapitated and it would be listed as an "upper body" injury
by WhatsAMataHari on May 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Speaking of hockey
LOL Sharks
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by WhatsAMataHari on May 18, 2011 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions
Crazy night
On the plus side, Ben Eager got flashed by a Nucks fan when he was in the box. On the down side, Eager cost the game and all the videos capturing the moment have been swiftly removed.
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I just think if it were an oblique, he would have been out.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen somebody pitch through that. Most guys don’t even try and if they do, it usually lasts one warmup toss.
The ankle makes so much more sense to me now.
If it was an oblique, then Wilson is the toughest SOB on the planet.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
he hurt it in his very first appearance in the big leagues
Pitched two — count ’em, two — innings with it, then sat out a month.
Then he should know better.
Still a tough SOB.
Roy Halladay just woke up in a cold sweat. He had a dream about this rodeo clown with a stick...
he should, but I don't trust him
If I were the Giants I would have taken him out. Reminded him that he just got off the DL. Finish it with Mota. Three-run lead.
the trainer’s job is to get the player off the field. the players job is to stay in the game.
not much you can do when Wilson says he’s ok, and given the bullpen blowup, I don’t think Bork had the balls to remove Wilson at that point.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions
I think
next to Torres, or maybe just ahead of Torres, Wilson is the most likely to fib about the extent of pain/injury or to rush back to the lineup.
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by natteringnabob on May 19, 2011 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Didn't Wilson tear his oblique on his first major league start
and try to pitch through it? Might be a pattern.
by WhatsAMataHari on May 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
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so what was for dinner?
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wait, what? explain yourself
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Lots of Thai Chilies boiled with the broth…it’s good
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Super spicy? How? Lots of whole sili?
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Yup yup, then crushed them. It was AWESOME. If you want to do it the easy way though, Knorr has a “Spicy Sinigang” mix. I would suggest using maybe two packets for a pot?
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I’ve been craving sinigang but I can’t go all the way to Daly City or Fremont to an Asian/Filipino market. I’m looking around SF for tamarind broth or paste.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
I felt dirty today
I was rooting for the Phillies.
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Why?
We beat those guys remember.
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by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions
They were playing the Rockies.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow does that feel like a pyrhic victory
Feels so weird.
I’m not happy so much as I’m relieved that I didn’t spin into a drunken rage after witnessing Bochy completely fuck up again late in the game.
God, what a weird game.
All the satisfaction of seeing Kershaw leveled replaced with sadness, disgust, anger, relief, deliverance, fear, rage, and ugh.
That was a “humpin’ your sister” game.
Hey Sandoval, mix in a salad. Everyone else, mix in a walk.
by Woody'sShed on May 18, 2011 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why would you feel bad about humping his sister?
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on May 18, 2011 11:26 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn't Arkansas
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Unless you're his brother, or possibly his cousin, I still don't see the problem with you humping his sister.
Arkansas be damned.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on May 18, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
My understanding is that there isn't a problem with sisters being humped.
It’s specifically who’s humping them that can be problematic.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
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"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
That's not a victory, I don't think
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Pre-combustion photo
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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I bet Rowand has wrist to spare
for ol’ Flappy
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Rec’d.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
This is hilarious.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
this briefly made me reconsider my love for phalluses
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions
oh my
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
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Is that Wood?
The worst part is the amount of detail on it.
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on May 19, 2011 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm glad no one had made this as a gif
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Is anyone else going to tomorrow's game?
I’LL BE THERE. And my record for Giants wins when I attend games at Dodger Stadium is pretty shitty so I’m sorry if I jinx anything by being there but CAN WE PLEASE SWEEP THESE BUMS???
I am pretty sick of 8th innings.
Can we skip them from now on?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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The Vogelsong plan!
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by NuschlerFace on May 18, 2011 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions
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by ayeyoJERM on May 18, 2011 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 7 recs
The phrase
having one’s good work spoiled by teammates’ incompetence
made me laugh.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
“Lack of run support” or “Supreme bullpen fail”
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
by deuce deuce on May 18, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
I'm still in the old thread.
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Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
Third Street Kings | Nine Shot First
by walkoff baltimore chop on May 18, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Godamnit
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:19 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Wait so do we know anything about Wilson’s injury?
Carter Jurica!
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:20 PM PDT reply actions
He twisted his ankle
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Cody Moonshot!
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:21 PM PDT reply actions 3 recs
I woke up my kids when that happend.
My wife is uber mad at me for it.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 18, 2011 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions
and here you are posting on the internet instead of having some hot make-up sex.
shame
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions
2 kids, ages 3 and 1.
There is no sex anymore.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 19, 2011 12:51 AM PDT up reply actions
don’t tell me that. my GF is having what is our first child in Sept.
And I need my daily sechs.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions
He did the hop too, but the mlb.com video didn’t show it
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions
so THIS is where you disappeared to! thx! this looks so much better when not viewed on a sideways television! :D
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Your welcome! :)
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
30 minutes mister and it’s off to bed with you! you have an 8am final!
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LOL its open book, open notes, open internet. I’m didn’t even going to study.
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by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
then that’s not a test, that’s a group project
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We can’t use each other though :(
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
that would make it a human sexuality class…
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Grrrrrrrrrrr
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
aw, come on, not even a giggle?
well I thought it was funny… :(
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I did too. I just wanted to put GRRRRRRRRRRRR
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions
oh good, thought I was losing my touch since I’d been away :)
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No,no you didn’t
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 19, 2011 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope it’s not an English test
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:36 PM PDT up reply actions
lulz, I saw that too shhhhh!
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I couldn’t help myself :)
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Long day, can’t type right now. So sue me.
"I don’t know, just chuck it as hard as you can".-Buster Posey, on how to gun down stolen base attempts
by LincecumFTK on May 18, 2011 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
LOL ATTENDANCE
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I thought this way going foul for a minute, and thought “just our luck tonight”
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Sergio Romo and Brandon Belt for Yuniesky Betancourt
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Tim Lincecum for Jack Wilson and Milton Bradley
never mind the little detail about Bradley being FA.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
Bandwagons are fun- that's why people get on them in the first place.
by natteringnabob on May 19, 2011 4:50 AM PDT up reply actions
/ groans
The Giants are 2010 World Series Champs. … And in other news the forecast calls for a rain of toads, heavy at times, with moderate to strong swarms of locust and a high likelihood of a world quake. Details at 11.
by daveinexile on May 19, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I'd forgotten just how angrymaking Giants wins could be
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Your mom's a girl
Even if the Giants lose their closer for a bit, it seems like Bochy would not put Romo in that role. At least not with the way he’s been using Romo lately.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
Committee.
We only won one game before Wilson got back.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Sure he would.
Romo would get the 2nd out.
by Uncle Russel on May 18, 2011 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions
I think if Wilson went down, they would be forced to look at all the relievers numbers vs R and LHB, and make a decision.
Romo would have to be it.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions
Have to miss the game tomorrow...
But I’m going to see Verlander vs. Beckett. Should be a good one.
isn't the cubs at Boston right now?
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Friday-Sunday
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I saw Verlander V Braden earlier this year
Verlander was not on his game, and Braden was dealing before he got injured. Kinda disappointing.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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I am going to make a controversial statement.
Sergio Romo is a better pitcher than Brian Wilson. Due to the stigma that baseball places on a late inning reliever with only average velocity, Romo is delegated to the 8th inning. This in and of itself is not terrible, because Wilson is barely worse than Romo, and has a lot of experience in the 9th.
However, Sergio Romo is definitely better than Javier Lopez. He definitely better than Ramon Ramirez. He is definitely better than everyone in the bullpen. If he pitches the 8th and Wilson the 9th, fine. It is what it is. However, bullpen management to treat Romo like he is a one-batter specialist or a matchups guy is idiotic in every sense of the word.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
It's kind of hard to compare Lopez and Romo
And you shouldn’t have to if you use them right. Lopez is clearly better vs LH, but Romo is probably better overall.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions
True.
Lopez isn’t that much better than Romo against lefties that it is worth having Lopez face a righty just so he can face a lefty.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
Simpsons did it!
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2008/9/20/618281/weekend-random-player-disc
Though, I’ve since reversed course, and I’m not ready to say Romo’s better yet. It’s closer than a lot of people think, but a healthy Wilson is probably better.
by Grant Brisbee on May 18, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
In a couple of years, I think Romo will be a better pitcher.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Ah, wil
With Romo locking down the opponent late in games SF can then move Merkin Valdez to the rotation.
Look at the starting lineup that day. So much brutal.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 18, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Forget that. Look up the box score and check the pitchers used.
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Oh my. That’s….special
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 12:10 AM PDT up reply actions
This is clearly the key issue: Sergio Romo is a very good pitcher and should be used much more often.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions
/pitches in 87 straight games and blows out shoulder
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by natteringnabob on May 19, 2011 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions
He is a strikeout pitcher, but for some reason alot of people dont see that
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I certainly haven’t developed any love for him, but now that I see his numbers (although I find tables of numbers hard to understand), clearly I’ve been wrong. I don’t know why he doesn’t register to me, other than his adorable postgame interviews.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Maybe its because he doesn't look like your typical closer. Maybe its because of the type of pitches he throws
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Whatever the reason, I’ve clearly been unfair in ignoring him.
Now if only you guys could get Bochy to do the same ;)
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions
I think Wilson remains a better pitcher simply because of workload.
Dude threw 92 innings last year as a reliever. Ninety-two. That’s a ton of value right there.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
That's more of a reflection on how Bochy used him rather than skill level.
Wilson may have been more valuable last year, but that doesn’t make him the better pitcher.
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Has that contributed to health concerns this year?
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Whoops, it looks like Fangraphs was giving me false numbers without telling me. He threw 75 innings: still quite a bit, but far less ridiculous.
And now that I do the math in my head, much less impossible, too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I was confused about the 92. Brower pretty much exploded after 85+
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Ok, Brower apparently threw 93 in 2004. I guess that’s why 92 sounded vaguely familiar.
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Yeah Romo is the shiz.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I still can’t believe Bochy pulled Romo after 1 batter. Wasn’t it like a week ago Bochy was praiseworthy for how he handles the bullpen?
Also, something is wrong with Buster. I don’t know what, but he’s not hitting pitches he should.
"I give up that lead-off double, well, who cares? I'm about to get nasty." - Brian Wilson
There is nothing wrong with Buster
last 7 days (before tonight) .500/.533/.500)
last 14 days: .345/.472/.345
His power is way down but that will come.
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By “way down,” you mean non-existent. As jponry says he’ll probably be fine, but it’s still concerning.
Jonathan Sanchez has more doubles than Buster Posey.
"That’s the sort of pitch that Lincecum throws several times a game — the sort of pitch that made Satchel Paige say: 'I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain’t been seen by this generation.' Lincecum threw 10 or 15 generation pitches on Thursday." -Joe Posnanski
Et tu, Ribe?
Agreed
I’m sure I could be overreacting, but it’s definitely worrisome.
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by GrooveGiant on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I’m more concerned with the fact that every one of his hits seems to be a groundball through a hole. I think he can control that to some degree, but it also partly luck. His LD% is down 3% from last year, and his BABIP, although .01 point lower than last year, is still above .300 at .305.
Oddly enough though his O-Swing% has actually improved by quite a bit, so that’s not the problem. I’m guessing it must be something in his swing, or possibly he has a hidden injury that is impeding him from getting much force behind his swing.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Buster Posey has been one of the best catchers in baseball so far
He’s playing great defense and hitting slightly above average, which for a catcher is phenomenal. Stop worrying.
Gigante. Campeón. Pumpkin. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
And BINGO was his name.
Oh.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
He's hitting average, yeah.
But that’s not what we were hoping for. I wouldn’t be satisfied if Lincecum was pitching average.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand that. Really, I do. But were you expecting Posey to hit .271/.355/.376?
Because I wasn’t. He has already shown that he can be a much better player than that, and I’m trying to understand why he is not playing up to his full potential. I know he’s not the problem, but we sort of need him to be one of the leaders of this offense, and a .730 OPS isn’t going to cut it.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
I expected a little regression.
However, Posey doesnt even have a year experience in the Big Leagues yet, he is still adjusting. He is far from the problem of the offense. Rowand, Tejada, and Derosa are NEGATIVE WAR players. Posey hasn’t had enough bats enough for me to say that he is one of the problems.
I don’t know if it’s too useful to read anything into it at this point in the season.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Perhaps not
But according to GiantsPain, you only need about 150 PA sample size to predict LD% going forward. Before tonight, Posey had 152, and his LD% is down 3% from last year. I don’t recall him hitting any line drives tonight.
I’m fairly certain he will come around at some point, but it’s not the numbers that scare me as much as the fact that he doesn’t seem to be hitting anything particularly hard. Almost all his hits have been ground balls that have found holes.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 19, 2011 12:04 AM PDT up reply actions
This is kind of a silly thing to say, IMO
I get your point, but he’s supposed to be our cleanup hitter this year. I think I’m warranted in worrying a bit that he hasn’t hit like one in over a month and a half.
I agree he could come around, I’m just not seeing the signs of that happening. Normally he likes to go the other way and spread the ball around the field, but he hasn’t been doing that at all. Also, yes, the lack of power.
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by GrooveGiant on May 18, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
This, basically.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions
I think it’ll come. Just be patient.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Power is down for the whole team this year, it’s not just Posey.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
That’s comforting.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on May 18, 2011 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I blame the Rockies
To get back at us for last year, they have started a conspiracy where the Giants have to play every game with humidor balls.
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I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I don’t think we should be relying on Buster to be our cleanup hitter, though. Burrell makes much more sense, as a true 3 outcome guy.
Torres, Belt, Posey, Burrell, Sandoval, Huff, Ross, Tejada, pitcher
You could even swap Sandoval and Burrell and come out pretty clean. But Belt will never be a #2 hitter in Bork’s lineup.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions
oh wait, I forgot about Sanchez. Scrap that thought, then.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions
So I was pretty upset
When Romo got yanked.
I didn’t think that was right.
But hey, what am I getting paid to do, right?
I won’t complain about the win;
After all, it’s good when the hitting comes through;
Whenever one piece saves another, that’s a triumph.
But if this style of winning were my boyfriend,
He would never see me naked again.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
by waelwulf on May 18, 2011 11:34 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
Is that a poem?
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on May 18, 2011 11:41 PM PDT up reply actions
You rather be involved with a attractive loser?
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YES
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow
Jake Peavy threw a dominating complete game shutout tonight. Good for him.
"I give up that lead-off double, well, who cares? I'm about to get nasty." - Brian Wilson
Regardless of which side one comes down on Romo
I cannot wait to see all the BTS stuff on Showtime. I hope the producers pick up on the romo thing.
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I also notice rage against Huff
Is that because of him failing to get to Looney’s single in the 8th? It seem like he should have gotten that but he broke to the bag.
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I didn’t see the play, but that seems to be the consensus.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Here’s the replay: Link
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Yeah, he should have at least knocked that down
It looked like he was running parallel with it for a little while.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I wonder if the double’s defense was in play there.
BRING BACK ISH!
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Even if it was, it certainly looks like if he’d gone after it, he should have been able to keep it from going through.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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I agree. I think he definitely broke the wrong way
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and he should have seen Wilson running to cover the bag, hence, know that is a ball he is supposed to go after. I just question his smarts as a fielder: ill-advised diving, thinking others will make the play and his job is just to step on 1B.
Remember Game 5, NLCS. His error cost us the game, and thankfully did not cost us the series.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Given that Huff has dived for two balls this year that Sanchez would otherwise have fielded, I’m willing to cut him a little slack on this one. He should have made the play, though.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’m not so quick to give him a pass. He has zero versatility as a player, and don’t forget he is blocking the organization’s top position prospect, too.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:23 AM PDT up reply actions
He has zero versatility as a player
There’s nothing wrong with being good at one position (which Huff is). Utility players are usually utility players because they’re not good enough to play the same position every day.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
When the only position you are good at is 1B, it is because you can’t play any other position adequately.
there is no other position in baseball that hides a terrible defender better than 1B (DH doesn’t count, obviously). This is also a Giants team that thrives on versatile players, and needs them to succeed.
Personally, I would have let Huff walk last year. But that’s just me.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:35 AM PDT up reply actions
When the only position you are good at is 1B, it is because you can’t play any other position adequately.
When 2+2=4, 4-2=2.
Huff is 6’4" and bats lefty. Not having great speed, his physical tools more or less limit him to being a corner infielder or a pitcher. Holding that against him is pretty asinine, especially given that he fills he does his job very well, and has done well throughout his career.
Maybe it’s just you because the rest of us are looking at the evidence right in front of us.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I suspect he thought Sanchez was going to field it.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
The fielding gaffes in the recent days should not be overshadowing the fact that Bochy is torching every lead we build right now.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Maybe but the fielding gaffes are certainly a contributing factor
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Fielding gaffes that would not happen if Bochy wouldn’t stop fucking things up.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes. Bochy made Timmy throw the ball in the OF, Sanchez throw the ball past 1B, and Huff to break the wrong way.
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by daveinexile on May 19, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
If you put a reliever in there, those plays don’t happen. And relievers don’t enter the game with runs scored and runners on base.
It’s really a no-brainer.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Of course those plays don’t happen, because you’re using the hindsight.
(Note I agree with you about the relievers, but calbear is correct in stating there are multiple causes to these idiotic games).
That is cray-z.
You can’t predict the errors, but the starters shouldn’t have been in there, and that there were runners already on in all three situations is telling.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Those two things are not related.
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All three starters were kept in, all three starters gave up hits, all three times the relievers entered with a limited margin for error, all three times we give up at least two earned runs.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Hindsight is great
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Do you have an argument, or are you just going to take a page out of Bochy’s book and stick with being obtuse?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You are judging the validity of a decision on the known outcomes of the decision after the fact. That’s a textbook definition of hindsight.
The fact that Bochy screwed up does not mean that the errors were not a major factor in the outcomes of the game.
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No, I am judging the validity of the decision based on the fact that it was a bad decision. That the errors factored into the game should not overshadow the fact that the initial decision to leave the starter in was a bad one.
I’m not linking the two decisions; I’m saying that Bochy should have turned left at Albequerque. What happened in Santa Fe is of secondary concern.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Your original post indicated that it was Bochy’s decisions that are causing Giants to give up lead.
While that maybe a contributing factor, the fielding errors are also a major contributing factor. The two are not related
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That the errors are costing us is kind of a “no shit, Sherlock” assertion.
If Bochy actually used his bullpen properly instead of pretending that we are the 2010 Diamindbacks, odds are good that in at least one of those three games, we don’t wind up in a situation where there are runners in scoring position when those errors are made.
Bochy can’t control errors, but he can make adjustments to how he is handling his pitchers. After three days in a row of this bullshit (after a maddening, similar trend around this time last year), we are at a point where the errors are no longer the story.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That’s basically throwing the baby out with the bath water.
To pin everything on Bochy and ignore critical errors seems unfair.
I disagree with Bochy about his decision in Denver but tonight was not outrageous by any means.
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The reasons to bring in Romo or Ramirez to start the 8th are much more compelling than the reasons to keep a somewhat Cain in with 105 pitches, especially when the offered reasoning is to build the whole inning around the one lefty. Especially when neither has pitched in five days.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Don’t forget that Cain also batted in the top half of the inning with a runner on. That’s basically ceding the inning, all because he wants Cain to stay in so he can get a good matchup which he could have gotten from Romo or RamRam before Lopez came in.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions
A 3-run lead with 1 out and 1 runner on is a significant margin for error.
And the Lincecum game by the time the reliever entered the damage had been done.
So basically, your assessment is true in one of the true situations.
That is cray-z.
He left the pitcher in for at least two batters in all three games. There wasn’t a particularly good reason to start them in any of them.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
but that has nothing to do with the field errors.
Timmy screwed up by yanking the throw otherwise it’s an easy double play.
Sanchez screwed up by throwing the ball away on a sacrifice bunt.
Huff broke the wrong way and allowed the ball into the OF.
Those have nothing to do with Bochy’s decisions.
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Just the same ole' you see in every sport.
When the team is playing poorly, it’s mostly on the coaches/managers/etc.
Team is playing well, it’s the players.
Why can’t both be true in either case?
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by Badly Browned on May 19, 2011 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
General frustration over his lack of hitting. But that tying run thing …
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:48 PM PDT up reply actions
He's hitting a lot better
last 7 days: .375/.474 /.500
last 14 days: .286/.359/.514
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don’t look at me, i’m just a perception guy, can’t think in numbers at all
Just ask my bank
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions
that was a massive mental blunder that, if we ended up losing the game, comes down on Huff. Funny how winning erases mistakes.
I, for one, am getting sick of Aubrey. He can’t play anything but 1B, and even that he doesn’t do well. He swings at everything. I realize we won’t be getting 2010 Huff again, but damn, I’m not encouraged by his work.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
That's because you're riding a giant wave of selection bias.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s human nature in baseball to remember the failure more than the alternative. We remember Romo’s hanging sliders more than the 200 times he used it to get a batter out.
But the times that Aubrey actually comes through in big situations this year are very limited. I’d hazard a guess that his BA with RISP is around .150
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Save yourself a sub-thread and go read one of the other ones where everyone explains very patiently that hitting with RISP isn’t a skill, and that “clutch” isn’t a measure by which to judge talent.
By your own arguments, Burrell isn’t very good either.
And for the record, Huff is hitting .280/.345/.520 this month, and is right around the team average in RISP opportunities for the season.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Huff got off to a slow start
He’s been hitting well. At least let him have 200-250 PAs before you get sick of him.
As for his defense, yes he was exposed a bit on some very tough plays in RF, but even Nate doesn’t get to everything or play everything perfectly.
Huff would be very adequate in LF if the team decides to bring up Belt, although I think I’d rather have the younger, faster Belt in LF.
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Lefty specialist – Lopez
Righty specialist – Mota?
extra arms: Affeldt, Ramirez?
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Ramirez vs. righties. Mota and Affeldt are MRs based on matchup.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
gotcha.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:49 PM PDT up reply actions
I am tired of the whining about Matt Cain
Has he been unlucky throughout his career? Of course he’s been unlucky. But so fucking what? Who cares if he gets the win, or the bullpen gets it, or if he loses 2-1? None of those things change his status as a pitcher one iota.
This is 2011, not 1981. Baseball knowledge has gotten a lot more sophisticated, not just by the fans but also the media and the teams themselves. Who cares what a couple of dinosaurs like Joe Morgan or John Kruk think of Matt Cain just because he’s a below .500 career pitcher?
WE know how good he is. The real fans know. His teammates know. His manager knows. His GM knows. That’s all that matters.
I know this is a bad analogy, but to me the hand-wringing about his W-L record is like the gay marriage debate. It’s embarrassing to be still talking about it in this day and age, and probably 20 years from now serious baseball fans will be shaking their heads over how under-appreciated and underrated Cain was, similar to the way a generation from now people will be wondering how society ever restricted people’s right to marry.
As long as the Giants win the game I don’t care who the winning pitcher is. I’m sure Cain feels the same way. He’s good, we all know he’s good, that should be the end of it.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody is whining about Cain
Cain has become an inside joke for whenever somebody says that pitcher wins are a relevant stat. The “Caining” and stuff like that has been going on MCC for years, were just joking around.
There’s even a meme generator! Low Run Support Cain. or there was.
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by shanghaijim on May 18, 2011 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions
I remember that. It went something like.
2 RUNS?!
When did I start playing for the Yankees?!
well don’t I feel silly now. Carry on I guess.
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by Aaronstampler on May 18, 2011 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions
My favorite
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by Badly Browned on May 19, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I care
because I don’t want a pitcher who hasn’t learned how to win.
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exactly
Cain obviously hasn’t learned how to win yet, evident by today’s game.
Wilson should give him lessons
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by Johnny Disaster on May 18, 2011 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions
Derek Jeter should play forever
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There should be no pitch counts.
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
W-L
Record probably still carries weight with arbitration cases and free agent money. Cain doesn’t seem like the griping type, but it may well be costing him.
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by achiappanza on May 19, 2011 12:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I doubt it. Unless his agent is a complete moron.
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It's not his agent that needs to be convinced
Somebody probably has done a study about whether or not winz have a better correlation to paydays than xFIP.
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by achiappanza on May 19, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I can see it now:
“Why do you think you deserve that much? You don’t even know how to win!”
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by BusterHomerun on May 19, 2011 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions
In all seriousness, I wouldn't mind if GMs still stick to W-L records for a bit longer.
I’d love for whatever the Giants put up to be Cain’s best offer when the time comes. I’d hate to see him leave.
“A sub-.500 pitcher for XYZ million dollars?!? Forget it!”
/sad Cain comes back from free agency, wins more World Series for SF Giants.
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"He said he felt like (Dodgers catcher Rod) Barajas grabbed his bat," Ross said. "I was at third base and I just thought, `What the heck just happened?’ … He’s one of my closest friends on the team. Instantly, you could tell he was in pain. Hopefully it’s not too bad, but … sad."
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Why did Aubrey Huff give up on James Loney’s roll-me-over ground ball against Wilson that tied the game in the eighth? Bochy said Huff read the ball and thought Freddy Sanchez would get it. Huff thought he’d better cover the bag. As it turned out, the grounder was easily within Huff’s reach and Sanchez, where he was positioned, had no chance. Bochy said off the bat, everyone in the dugout assumed it was an out. "Aubrey will tell you he should’ve kept going for it," Bochy said. That’s one more mistake that Cody Ross’s huge, tiebreaking, three-run home run in the ninth helped to cover up.
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This
I still like Boch
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I’d prefer a manager who does the right thing to the manager who only says the right thing.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on May 19, 2011 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Every manager has their moments/streaks of judgment errors. Bochy is not immuned.
That doesn’t mean he’s a bad manager.
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This week, he got out-managed by Jim Tracy. Your argument is invalid.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
reminds me of the Pujols play on Pablo’s hit on Opening Day
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by TimLaser and MattyC on May 19, 2011 12:03 AM PDT up reply actions
That happened because Posey was 8-10 feet off the bag and Pujols was creeping in for a pickoff play. He moved to the line to cover the bag, which opened up the hole for Sandoval. Dumb luck, which is about as much as can be said for the game-tying single tonight.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
After watching it a couple of times. I agree and disagree, but I leaning towards Huff should of hustled
It looked like he had enough time to grab and hurry back to touch the base
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He just misread the ball.
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if he had kept running it would’ve kit him in the ankles. And he has Sanchez in his periphery. How could he mess that one up.
A complete misread…short and simple.
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I wonder what Huff has to say about it
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
cause he looked REAL pissed in the dugout before Ross’ HR.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s generally preferable to let the second baseman make that play. He fucked up, plain and simple, but it was an error in judgment and not a lack of hustle.
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Here's me after TGWTWS
Two more ups to close it out.
What? I can’t believe it’s Uribe doing this to us.
Wilson’s not going to blow the save with inherited runners, is he?
Well, gotta admit it’s a great game.
Hey, two on, we gotta chance.
CODY!
That’s it, a light dusting of anguish and torture. Bad Giants, you can’t hurt me any more!
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for those of you not listening to KNBR
Byrnesie wants to say that you guys are not appreciating enough of Buster’s hard slide to break up the double play at 2nd, and that if not for Buster, Ross wouldn’t have had the chance to hit the GW HR.
LEARN SOME INSIDE BASEBALL, DAMMIT
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by TimLaser and MattyC on May 19, 2011 12:02 AM PDT reply actions
Now if only that power would go into his swing.
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by BusterHomerun on May 19, 2011 12:08 AM PDT up reply actions
it would be even better
if he got on with a drag bunt and scored on a double steal. /smallball fap
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by natteringnabob on May 19, 2011 4:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Best rivalry in baseball
The light-hitting San Francisco Giants against the offensively challenged Dodgers.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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Time to go
But I leave this thread with this thought: CODY ROSS!!
by North Side Chicago Expatriate Giants Fan on May 19, 2011 12:14 AM PDT reply actions
Ssory Lance?
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re: Romo hanging a slider to Kemp
well, that’s what happens when you barely ever pitch, and your slider is your primary weapon. it gets rusty. if Romo pitches every day, you can bet he doesn’t hang many.
I have no idea why Bork has absolutely no faith in Romo, to the point where he would rather have Lopez face RHB. But I can probably tell you that it is unjustified. Romo is a special talent.
Hope the cost of the win wasn’t too high, though DeRo and Rownads aren’t exactly commodities. Hope Wilson will be ok. oh, and this- CODY MOTHERFUCKIN ROSS.
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I agree with this.
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hey man, I remember you were looking for a job. Find one yet?
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup…starts on monday. More pay too :)
It’ll be weird cuz I haven’t worked for a month. hope I still have a few brain cells working.
How’s the leg?
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Hey, that’s great!! I’m sure you’ll find yourself getting into a rhythm with work quickly. Good to hear.
And it’s the ankle, actually. It’s doing ok I suppose, I mean I’m still on crutches but hopefully will be off them in a week or 10 days. I’m getting pretty restless here.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Or maybe he’d hang ALL OF THEM from being exhausted from pitching every day!!! How about that huh!?!!!!
not feelin' it
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on May 19, 2011 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions
not our Romo. Guy was nails for a long, long time last year.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions
Despite the torture
I’m actually more confident in the Giants now.
Huff and Posey are coming around and Panda is coming back soon. Even Miggy is contributing.
The pitching has picked up for the bats so far this year, glad to see the bats save one tonight.
I think that once the Giants lineup stabilizes, this team will be rolling.
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to be honest, I don’t mind Tejada right now. He’s fielding well last few games, and he’s got like 5-6 hits in the last 3 games.
Dude is picking it up, which is nice to see. Allows the focus to move on to other areas that need attention.
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by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't expect anything great from Tejada
But I certainly didn’t expect the massive suckage that he has shown before this roadtrip.
I for one do not mind Tejada right now.
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by Badly Browned on May 19, 2011 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Schulman
Wait, so the LOOGY now determines bullpen match-ups? Also, why is Affeldt?
A lot of folks have asked if Sergio Romo is in Bochy’s doghouse because he rarely gets used, and when he is used, it’s usually for a batter or two.
The short answer is no. Bochy believes Romo is a valuable weapon against right-handed hitters. What’s changed from last year is the presence of Javier Lopez. Lopez is so good against left-handed hitters (who are 4-for-32 against him this year), Bochy has changed the way he looks at the eighth inning.
If the Giants have a lead and the opposing team has a good left-handed hitter due up in the eighth, Bochy wants to ensure that Lopez faces him. So Bochy plays the matchups. If a right-handed hitter starts the inning, Bochy will let the starter stay in to face him, as he did tonight with Matt Cain, or let Ramon Ramirez face the righty if Ramirez was still in the game after pitching in the seventh.
Bochy then counts on Romo to get the subsequent right-handers, as he did tonight. After Lopez struck out Ethier, Bochy had Romo face Matt Kemp. That is faith, my friends.
When Kemp singled, Bochy immediately removed Romo, who clearly was angry. You don’t cover your face with your glove to say, “Gee, I’d like an ice cream cone.”
Bochy’s explanation for that move: “I hadn’t used Willie the whole road trip. I didn’t want something to happen with him not in there.” In other words, you win with your best and, if you have to, you lose with your best. That’s why Lopez faces the big lefties in the eighth, and why Wilson was called to face Uribe.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
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I'm okay with this
But I don’t like Bochy overusing Lopez and severely underusing Romo.
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romo needs to be our greg lukerson/ adam mikes
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on May 19, 2011 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions
this is fine if he brings wilson in first
I hate using up 3 of your best pitchers in just .1 inning. If that went extras we have affeldt, mota, and ramram? yay….And this is the smallest of my complaints. Oh well, we won.
by Artimus Clyde on May 19, 2011 12:30 AM PDT up reply actions
You play for the win.
Especially with a 3-run lead.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
im not saying we should have prepped for extras
Its just my on of many problems with wasting one of our best pitchers for just one batter. It just quickly eliminates the list of reliable options
by Artimus Clyde on May 19, 2011 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions
That explanation doesnt make any sense. He hadn’t used Wilson so he wanted to get him in there? Isn’t that what the bottom of the 9th would be for? Did he have that little faith in Romo to not blow a 3 run lead that he felt he had to get Wilson playing time there?
I think I understand the thought process well enough. It’s about what I thought. But man, is it causing Bochy to misuse Lopez. Prior to tonight (since Baseball-reference isn’t updated yet, so far as I know), Lopez has had 29 plate appearances against him from righties, just under half his total opponents faced. Romo has had 7 from lefties.
This is just bad decision making. Romo is better against lefties than Lopez will ever be against righties. If there is a question, go with the reliever who is better overall, and has less of a platoon split. That’s Romo.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Prior to tonight, Lopez and Romo had faced the same number of right-handers. It’s ridiculous.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Unheard of! Absurd!
He Lopez a pledge! Unthinkable!
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
what I don’t like about this:
What’s changed from last year is the presence of Javier Lopez
Bork has far, far too much faith in Lopez to have him pitch to as many RHB as Romo has. It should be the same way it was last season, except when a tough lefty comes up, Lopez comes in. That’s it. He has been misusing Lopez gravely this year, and those numbers Lopez showed in PIT when he wasn’t used properly, he will start to show again if this keeps up.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:04 AM PDT up reply actions
also, this
Bochy then counts on Romo to get the subsequent right-handers, as he did tonight.
But he didn’t. Romo came in for Kemp, and when he didn’t get him, that was it, even though “subsequent RHB” were due up.
I didn’t want something to happen with him (Wilson) not in there
that sounds a whole lot like Bork doesn’t trust Romo. So he’s saying he brought in Wilson because he thought something was going to happen with Romo on the mound.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Well
After just seeing two consecutive late-inning meltdowns, is it really that unreasonable to bring in your best reliever with the tying run at the plate, 4 out save or not?
I do think he should have went to the bullpen to start the 8th. I know people getting on Boch for over managing, but why not have RamRam start the 8th, Lopez for Ethier, and then Romo?
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on May 19, 2011 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
wait...
Carrol and Miles were up before Ethier. Hmm.
Anyways, still think Matt Cain should not have batting with a runner on in the top of the 8th, and should not have been on the mound in the 8th.
But hey, good thing Cody was Boss last night.
"Though that reminds me of a quality razor and mr. t story
he said once nellie was freaking out in locker room telling them how badly they sucked in first half. And he was so made he didn’t realize he hadn’t zipped up from his pee and his junk was hanging out." -Tafkasam
by Badly Browned on May 19, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
whats the word on our injured?
derosa/rowand/wilson(?)
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on May 19, 2011 12:26 AM PDT reply actions
OT:
Anyone here been to Chase Field in AZ? If so how is it?
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 19, 2011 12:30 AM PDT reply actions
I was going to get mad
but then I saw the smiley face.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on May 19, 2011 12:33 AM PDT up reply actions
A smiley face can get you out of any situation
by BrianIsAwesome on May 19, 2011 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Hi Honey, I slept with your sister.
:)
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on May 19, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
It is cavernous but pretty sweet.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on May 19, 2011 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
TWHS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
Shift-A
Actually, I scanned some of the comments. Astounding. Bochy is incompetent; end of comment.
Watched Yellow Submarine again. What a literally wonderful delight.
Tomorrow after the game? We visit Marinus, to see if the Doctor can collect all the Keys. I bet he does.
Tomorrow? Same game as today: the Giants vs the Dodgers and Bruce Bochy.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I had hoped to see your reaction. It’s too bad you waited until my bedtime to show up. Oh, well.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Hey, it's worth what you paid for it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Bedtime?
I thought 1 AM was your dinner time.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I’m not crazy, right? Tell me I’m not crazy.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
OK, you're not crazy.
That, too, is worth what you paid for it.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
sup, ’croft?
and good night to all!! We won the one game we weren’t supposed to win on this trip. Win tomorrow, and break even and go home.
The only people for me are the mad ones. The ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars. ~Inspire Me
by giant4life83 on May 19, 2011 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions
so looking at my comments for the rockies game 2 days ago and... wow
sometimes
i wish his wrist nerve still hurt
So I don’t have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on May 16, 2011 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Guess it worked???
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on May 19, 2011 1:41 AM PDT reply actions
i
was talking about deroza for you people who don’t get it
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on May 19, 2011 1:42 AM PDT up reply actions
i
dont! i feel bad i cant believe it happened right after
So I don't have a signature well these words would do! Who knew that upgrades can have downgrades too!
by 24k state fan since 87 on May 19, 2011 2:02 AM PDT up reply actions
i
dunno
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 6:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, we got it.
You missed the part where we asked for people to be respectful towards a hard-working guy whose career probably ended tonight.
Next time, you should probably keep that thought on the inside.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It's a good idea . . .
. . . to learn the actual names of people you want to critique. It gives artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
OK, late night, bye, sleep well.
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Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I stopped watching when the score was tied up. I would have liked to see the Ross HR, but I was waaay too angry to keep watching.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on May 19, 2011 6:12 AM PDT reply actions
Teh Porch
Rain rain go away. I’m supposed to play softball today.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I was just about to see if anyone was sitting out here this morning. That press conference wasn’t what I was expecting. They teased us with, “What’s Knox County’s biggest health problem?” and the answer was apparently, “The lack of a sustainable network of partnerships that can effectively contribute to public health!”
I got up at 6:20 for that?
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Biggest health problem?
Clearly it is bears.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
/sitting on the porch
So I made awkward conversation with starbucks girl again today. Walked out & dropped my coffee spilling half the contents. Got to work, had a very brief awkward greeting with another pretty girl. Spilled coffee on myself at my desk. And now, it looks like rain.
/sips coffee carefully
Can I go back to bed? Start the day over again?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
By the end of this, how much of your coffee did you actually get to drink? 1/4?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
To pretty girl no. 2: Can you help me clean up this stain?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I’m wearing shorts today (casual work environment). It’s on my upper thigh.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I don’t see a problem.
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The HR dept is on the exact opposite side of the building
It’s kind of a long walk.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
I have to leave right now to go to an 8AM mandatory all-hands meeting! I’m pretty excited.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Still no touching allowed
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Sonofa....
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on May 19, 2011 7:32 AM PDT up reply actions
I wish I were playing softball this year. The team I was on was a no go this year, and I didn’t know in enough time to find another one.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
That sucks. Maybe you can sub for another team?
We got rained out last week and it’s looking to be the same today. May be just as well because we got moved into A division this year and got stomped the first week.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Oh, man. My team got bumped into the A division last year without our asking. It was such a disaster. We were mercy-ruled in every single game. We started measuring success in terms of how many innings we actually got to play.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
I don’t think our team should have been moved up either. We won a lot of games in B but we weren’t crushing people. I look forward to the higher competition but I don’t think many people on my team feel the same.
I won’t be surprised if we start measuring success the same way.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Its tough. We had a few players who matched up to the competition, but more than half the team had little to no experience. That’s what really did it, I think – we just didn’t have enough guys who could provide capable defense, which turned out to be way more important than we thought.
Will the league transfer you back if you ask after a few games, or is the schedule set in stone?
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Sounds like we were/are on the same team. Not sure if the league will move us back or not. It is probably worth a shot though.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Can’t hurt asking. We managed to be such an embarrassment to the league by the end of the year, they waived our fee for the end of the year tournament and moved us back to the B bracket for it.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
Heh, just texted my buddy asking if the league would be willing to move us back. His response," They will if we are too sucky."
It doesn’t really bother me either way because I also play baseball but for those other guys on the team I’m sure it would be nice to win some games.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yeah, it’s mostly the folks that don’t play much that are crushed by it. It turns them away from the experience, when all they wanted to do was have some fun.
I'm as tall as Mel. Why can't I hit 500 home runs?
all they wanted to do was have some fun
That’s really what it is all about and why I find B league to be just right for our team. It is a decent level of competition but you can still have some beers and not take it too seriously.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Good morning
I’m tired of talking about Romo and Bochy. I’ve completely ignored the Sharks.
I found this hilarious
The Red Sox are in ‘hang-in’ mode with Tim Wakefield and Alfredo Aceves starting and John Lackey and Daisuke Matsuzaka on the disabled list, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe. The Red Sox have inquired on Kevin Millwood and Cafardo suggests we should keep an eye on Derek Lowe, though he appears unavailable.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Oh, speaking of the Sox...
…the Great Shave Debate ever get resolved?
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Is this a question asking about whether whales shave or not?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Naw, man. The Great Shave Debate. The stirring question of our time: How long will this nation put up with a Philips/Norelco commercial featuring players from America’s most unlikeable teams arguing about how they shave?
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Neither
The correct answer is Gillette.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I buy Gillette because it’s the cheapest of the fancy blades.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
How dare you! You buy Gillette because GraBr told you to buy it!
Eurasia is our ally.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I really hope they didn’t tell Papelbon that they were going to douse him with water, but I suspect they did.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I’d never really heard Papelbon speak, but some reason assumed he was from the North. Then he said something like, “Ah use mahn drah,” and I knew something was up.
He’s from Baton Rouge. Fun fact for the day.
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Why are fun facts so rarely fun?
Also, I really liked Swisher when he was with the A’s.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I like Swisher for his HIMYM cameo.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Don’t watch it, so I have no idea that he’d made such a cameo.
/posts .gif of smug juror Rich Aurilia
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
It's a must see episode for a baseball fan
Jim Nantz interviews Neil Patrick Harris’ character about going for a perfect week and they treat it like a perfect game.
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Well, I thought was kinda cool. He and Fontenot probably met in college, bonding over their shared passion for due process and law. While doing a simple end-of-term project, they uncover a massive government conspiracy to murder Supreme Court justices in order to appoint jurists more favorable to oil drilling in the bayous. They don’t know where they can turn or who they can trust, until a newspaper reporter helps tell their story and finally bring the truth to light.
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Pelican Brief?
Wise words by wcw: "Nobody cares about your Pokemon."
"There’s a new celebrity inside the organization, and it’s a three-foot inanimate object," - Larry Baer, my adopted son.
Could finish neither the book nor the film.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
only semi-related
I found this looking for interviews of Fontenot the other day. It’s from about 2009, when he and Ryan Theriot were still with the Cubs. Theriot, who has almost Kuiperesque lack of power, had hit a couple or three fluke homeruns in a week I guess, and the local station put together a mock expose on his new diva attitude. Fontenot’s comments near the end are the funniest.
by non sequitur on May 19, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Lol
I’m sure the Braves would love to trade one of their pitchers to the Red Sox. It’s not like they need him, right?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Farm system for the Sox!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Seriously though
Giants may be in a position to make a deal with the RS. Maybe a three-way trade. Sanchez or Zito are tradeable in my eyes.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
And who is starter #7 for us then?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Smartpants remark would be: Kurt Ainsworth
Realistic response: Would be for the GIants to trade one of the two pitchers and go pick up Correja or someone on the cheap.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
And what the hell do we get out of this?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Well, I’m assuming we pick up some good players in the process.
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Well then, I’m sold. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
okay.
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Despite the pretty ERA, Correia’s K/9 is currently sub 4. Do. Not. Want. I’d be leery of trading Sanchez with Zito’s return from injury a question mark, and there’s no way the Red Sox would part with anything of value for Zito. Trading him now would be selling low. I don’t think we’d get anything out of this trade.
I honestly have no idea who would fill in if a starter went down. I’d rather not the Giants work themselves into a position where they’re more likely to find out.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I dunno. We could use Scutaro right about now. Maybe we should sell high on Vogelsong.
by Duelling Brandos on May 19, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Every one says that Scutaro is a good option but he has a OPS of .625. I know he was very good two years ago and decent last year but I just don’t see him as a huge upgrade.
Also, did not know he was born in Venezuela. Maybe Panda and him can be buddies
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I was being sort of facetious
but it didn’t really come across. He’d give us the impression of having a better player without delivering much improvement at the position.
by Duelling Brandos on May 19, 2011 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions
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Shift-A
Has anyone commented on the wry smile on Cody’s face before he armageddoned Cormier’s curveball?
“He’s gonna bring that weak shit isn’t he.”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
if you watch the whole sequence it is pretty obvious (even though he did not admit it in the post game interview) that he knew exactly what was coming.
Cormier threw Ross the same pitch three times.
I can’t imagine why Barajas thought this was a good idea. He even went up to Cormier before the AB and made sure what their plan was going to be.
Fortune favors the lucky.
by BusterHomerun on May 19, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
"Good old rock. Nothing beats rock!"
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Despite his lack of contribution, DeRosa was part of the team that brought a World Series championship to San Francisco
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 8:32 AM PDT reply actions
Rowand and DeRosa are best friends
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
I enjoyed this way too much
It’s an average team now, one barely above .500. On Wednesday the Yankees arrived a step ahead of an early season tempest, and everyone was suddenly doing his best to tamp it out. The clubhouse was its usual quiet, businesslike place that it has become in recent years. Everybody seemed to ignore the truth that has been looming for some time – the divide of fresh vs. worn, new vs. old.
The clock on the wall read 5:10. Time for batting practice. Jeter grabbed his glove and headed toward the dugout.
"Let’s go!" cried the captain.
For a moment nobody moved, and Jeter was left to run out alone. Then, slowly, the others pulled themselves off stools, tied their shoelaces and followed along, still deferential to a glorious past.
Even as it fades quickly into the night.
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LOLDRAMATIC
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
“Let’s go!” cried the captain.
For a moment nobody moved, and Jeter was left to run out alone.
This is particularly funny to me. I have the Animal House Belushi speech scene in my head.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions
“This could be the best night of our lives…but you’re going to make it the worst!”
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
“Jeter’s right! Psychotic…but absolutely right!”
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
“Was it over when the Cubs beat us in the World Series?”
“Cubs?”
“Forget it, he’s rolling.”
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
by Kitspool on May 19, 2011 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions 5 recs
I initially thought this was TL2’s deliberately melodramatic writing.
by non sequitur on May 19, 2011 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Shift+WTF
Jeez, I miss one lousy game against the Dodgers and ten million things happen in an evening.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Oh gosh
Hockey/Basketball almost over…just realized.
Kawakami/Ratto will be blogging and tweeting Giants until the lolninersraiders start up.
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
How the heck do you find a ring in a swamp?
Jonathan Sanchez: Often maddening to watch, but capable of perfection on a moment's notice---just like his adoptive father.
Practice!
Practice!
Practice!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on May 19, 2011 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
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