minor lines, 5/1/11
by steve S on May 1, 2011 5:12 PM PDT
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Sunday highlights from the Giants' farm: Brandon Belt had three hits and a walk, Kelvin Marte had 1 ER in 6.0 IP, and both Wendell Fairley and Devin Harris homered and singled.
AAA: Fresno lost to Salt Lake 15-14
(allowing seven runs in 1st inning before tying game with six runs in 7th inning)
Fresno: 2B Brett Pill: 2 for 5, 2 2B, E
Fresno: LF Brandon Belt: 3 for 4, 2B, BB, SO
Fresno: RF-1B Travis Ishikawa: 2 for 4, 2B, HBP, SO
Fresno: SP Doug Mathis: 0.2 IP, 6 H, 7 R, 7 ER, 2 BB, 0 K--2 WP
Fresno: RP Henry Sosa: 3.1 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 2 BB, 1 K--1 HR, 1 HB
Belt had another big game for the Grizzlies--his third multi-hit line in his last four games. I don't recall Pill playing middle infield at any point previously in his pro career, but the Grizzlies' current roster seems to have pushed him in that direction. It did not seem to hurt his offense as he had his 8th and 9th doubles. Ishikawa also had a nice line, including his 5th double.
Mathis retired just two of ten hitters in this disaster start. This was his fifth start, and he had pitched at least five innings in each of his previous starts. His ERA nearly doubled from 3.43 to 6.23. Sosa was the first reliever to enter in long relief, and he pitched a season-high 3.1 IP.
AA: Richmond lost to Bowie 3-1
(allowing all three runs in the 6th inning)
Richmond: 2B Charlie Culberson: 1 for 3, BB
Richmond: SP Thomas Vessella: 3.1 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 4 BB, 4 K--1 HB
Richmond: RP Edwin Quirarte: 2.2 IP, 6 H, 3 R, 3 ER, 0 BB, 2 K--1 HB
Culberson was the only Flying Squirrel to reach base twice, improving his OBP to .327. He now has 6 BB among 96 AB.
Making his third start, Vessella did not allow a run for the first time this year, but he also lasted just 3.1 IP with a season-high 4 BB. In long relief, Quirarte allowed hits to nearly half of the fourteen batters he faced, raising his BAA to .327.
A+: San Jose defeated Lake Elsinore 8-5
San Jose: LF Wendell Fairley: 2 for 5, HR
San Jose: 2B Ryan Cavan: 2 for 3, 2B, BB, SO
San Jose: 3B Chris Dominguez: 1 for 4, HR, SO
San Jose: SP Kelvin Marte: 6.0 IP, 6 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 4 K--1 HR, 1 WP
Dominguez had his 6th HR of the season, while Fairley had his 1st HR, which was the 7th HR of his pro career. Cavan reached base three times with his first multi-hit game in a week.
Marte made his fifth start of the year and once again pitched effectively. In all five starts, he has had at least 5.0 IP and no more than 1 ER. His ERA remains just below 1.00. Today's performance also included a 7/1 GO/FO line.
A-: Augusta lost to Lexington 5-4
(after trailing 5-3 through four innings)
Augusta: LF Ryan Scoma: 3 for 5, 2B
Augusta: 3B Adam Duvall: 1 for 4, HR
Augusta: DH Devin Harris: 2 for 4, HR, SO
Lexingtion: SS Jio Mier: 2 for 4, 2 2B
Augusta: SP Justin Schumer: 6.0 IP, 11 H, 5 R, 5 ER, 1 BB, 3 K--1 HB
Scoma had three of the GreenJackets' thirteen hits, raising his AVG to .270. Harris and Duvall had their 6th and 4th HRs, respectively. Mier, the Astros' first round selection two years ago who is repeating the Sally League, doubled twice. He is hitting .288/.400/.475 through 80 AB this year.
In his fifth start, Schumer matched his longest start with 6.0 IP, but it was also his third time with 5+ ER. His ERA remains just above 7.50.
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Is Ryan Cavan someone to be excited about? Is Wendel Fairley still bad?
I’m curious if these strong San Jose performances are just a fluke.
I know I'm excited about Cavan
I like his bat, but he is old for his level.
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Well, he is old for the level...
…but a late start should not always be an endall conviction.
The performance isn’t a fluke, however. Cavan had a good year at Augusta, and hit a lot of home runs where many players don’t. He won’t have a great average, but he takes more walks than the average power guy, and has more-than-average power. His defense isn’t gold glove-worthy, but I like what I’ve seen of his range and ability to handle ground balls.
He’s no slam dunk prospect. He’s a bit undersized to expect power to keep up, and I’m not a big fan of his swing, but he’s performed in a difficult place, and he’s keeping it up in a better place.
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by BruteSentiment on May 1, 2011 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions
It seems like his LH siwng is better than his RH swing. Is that what you’ve seen?
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Early in the season, I preferred the RH swing, but he’s apparently made some adjustments.
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by BruteSentiment on May 2, 2011 3:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Wendell was supposed to be power, speed, and a plus arm
Half glass empty, he hasn’t shown any of that and is getting to the point where he can’t repeat a level. He was a terrible looking slap hitter who didn’t run last year.
Half glass full, he has held his own, keeps cutting his K’s, and still hasn’t tapped into the tools that got him drafted.
If he becomes anything it’s gravy at this point.
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It’s been eleven days, so the Giants have gained that extra year. I would expect to see him here for the homestand on Friday.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
It’s a complicated decision from a PT angle, though. You have to give Belt steady PT if he’s coming up. I don’t think you can afford to sit Huff. Burrell’s got the best OPS on the team. That leaves Ross, but are they really going to bench Cody based on 35 PA? And does it make sense for people who complained that 60 PA didn’t tell us anything meaningful about Belt to suggest that Ross’ 35 PA should be enough to sit him down?
Obviously it would be an easy decision to make if Brandon played 3B. But that’s not the situation we’re in.
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Speaking as someone who complained that 60 PA didn't tell us (almost) anything meaningful about Belt
No, I don’t want Belt to play over Cody because Cody has hit bad for 35 PAs. I want Belt to play over Cody because he’s better.
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I think in the long run that’s most likely true, but I don’t think you can say it as an absolute for 2011. Belt has slightly less than 700 professional PA. I don’t think we can necessarily assume that he’s going to be an above average major league hitter this year, which (barely) is what Ross has been in his career. We can believe he’ll be and hope he’ll be, but there are enough very good players who have hit speed bumps on entry to their first major league year (before producing well in subsequent years) that we can’t just assume it.
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by Roger on May 2, 2011 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think it’s a reasonably good bet that Belt is better against right-handed opposition and Ross is better against left-handed starters.
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You'd think with Richmonds serious offensive funk....
…there will be some promotions at some point. Brown and Liles maybe? That Outfield in Richmond is pretty pathetic.
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I doubt that they send anybody up from SJ anytime soon. The SF FO loves for the SJ team to win their 1st half crown and their league title. I just don’t see them being in any hurry to send any of the top prospects out to the graveyard that is Richmond Stadium. Richmond will get their pop when Peguero and Adrianza come off the DL next month.
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Richmond will get better offensively when Adrianza returns?
I find this highly suspect.
Seth Rosin can hit the side of a barn with a baseball. From space.
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Best offense…eh you’re right.
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by Giant Torture on May 2, 2011 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions
No, I just meant the he’s a high-profile prospect with a buzz surrounding him. He certainly will be an upgrade to the guys they’ve been playing at SS now.
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Nick Noonan isn't so far removed from being a high-profile prospect
And while Noonan doesn’t have Adrianza’s defensive potential, Adrianza doesn’t even come close to Noonan’s offensive potential.
I don’t think it’s an upgrade.
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by BruteSentiment on May 2, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Not saying you’re wrong (in fact you’re right), but the difference in their numbers up through the system doesn’t exactly make it a total slam dunk in Noonan’s favor. I mean, is it really so unrealistic for Ehire to throw up a .584 OPS in the EL this year to match Nooan’s age 21 line? Ick.
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Unfortunately, I’ve never heard anything that suggests Peguero will be coming off the DL next month (or this month, depending on what you meant by that). Baggarly mentioned once that Peguero’s likely to be out for the longest period of all the top prospects, but I’ve never seen anything that looked like a serious timeline for the rehab, and talking to Brute yesterday it didn’t seem like he had either. Is that a fair characterization, Brute?
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I though that he was scheduled to come back in the end of June? Did I get that wrong? Admittedly, it could be a bit confusing since I posted on May 1st.
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They were hoping for a return at the end of June. It was never an actual timeline.
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by BruteSentiment on May 2, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
This is a very fair characterization.
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by BruteSentiment on May 2, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Richmond’s OF is a shining star when compared to Augusta’s. I can’t wait until they send some of our young talent to alleviate the offensive woes. Chuckie Jones would look great in Augusta right about now.
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Kind of surprised by that
Chuckie Jones certainly seemed to have a good year in Rookie ball, wonder why he wasn’t assigned to Augusta? I’m very interested to see how he backs up last season and whether or not he can improve on his K rates.
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by Giant Torture on May 2, 2011 5:57 AM PDT up reply actions
They don’t do promotions to help a team win….it’s all about whether the prospects are ready, not what a team needs.
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by BruteSentiment on May 2, 2011 3:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Well that seems apparent...
…what’s less apparent was the gist of the question. Who in San Jose is ready when it comes time for promotions?
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by Smotheredinhugs on May 2, 2011 6:04 AM PDT up reply actions
If he keeps his production up I can see Brown getting a promotion maybe around Memorial Day? Which would allow Parker to move back to CF and give Liles a regular spot. I’m trying to think of what the earliest promotions have been in recent years that could suggest when the org looks at the minor league rosters and makes performance based adjustments:
the major ones i can think of were Nate moving from Hagerstown to SJ (about Memorial Day), Bumgarner to Connecticut (after his 5th start, so I’d guess the 1st or 2nd week of May), and then the two SS flips, first with Bocock and Burriss in A ball, and then with Crawford and Bocock between A+ and AA. Both of those were at about this point in the year, but in each of those cases I think the struggles of the player in the higher level had at least as much to do with the moves as the hot starts of the players in the lower levels.
Not a whole lot of movement, but in all cases involving top 3 round draftees. So, again, I could see a challenge promotion for Brown at the end of this month assuming his performance doesn’t take a dive, but don’t see much else justified. I agree that I’d love to see Chuckie in Augusta and hope he’ll show up there at some point rather than SK, but apparently they feel he needs the work back in Arizona, and I’m in no position to judge.
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Of course, as the season goes on, one thing that could affect the system is the unusual roster construction of Fresno, where they currently have only 3 OFs listed and then a whole mess of 1B. If by any chance you hit a trifecta whereby Ford hangs on in SF, Neal’s shoulder problems linger, and Belt gets called back up, then I can see a situation where the OF alignment of the system could need to be readjusted (say Mike McBryde back up to Fresno and Brown to Richmond, and who knows what from augusta to SJ).
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Wouldn’t the quickest recent promo be Crawford’s to Connecticut in May of 2009?
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I mentioned that one. Not sure whether that one or Bumgarner’s came first (in fact they may have occurred on the same day). All of the one’s I mentioned were in May anyway.
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In fact, scratching my memory a bit it seems possible that Bumgarner, Alderson, and Crawford were all promoted on the same day, somewhere in the first week of May.
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I think MadBum and Alderson were on the same day
Although they were just in SJ for a month to wait for the weather to warm up, IIRC
by Gobroks on May 2, 2011 1:38 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They don’t do promotions to help a team win….it’s all about whether the prospects are ready, not what a team needs.
I disagree with this. On the whole it’s true, but it’s far from absolute. We all know that the Giants love to keep SJ stocked with talent that helps them with titles. SJ is clearly the favored jewel-in-the-crown of the Giants’ affiliates (no surprise that it’s the one that they own an interest in). There’s no doubt that one of the reasons that Buster was kept in SJ longer than necessary (and never played for Conn.) was due to the won-loss records of the 2 teams. Tim Alderson and MadBum both started out 2009 in SJ when they should have been in Conn. Yes, the cold weather was a part of the decision, but the FO also wanted the star power cachet and wins generated by having them both iin SJ for several weeks.
The Giants do want their affiliates to field good teams with winning records. That’s the reason why they assigned AAA vets Christian and Koshansky to Richmond this year. There’s absolutely no other reason for them to be in AA.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
Ah, I suppose I should’ve specified the two situations:
Prospects: Moved without regard to keep a team winning. Put in the best place for their development.*
Veterans: Placed to help a team win and fill holes (see Christian and Koshansky in Double-A).
*-They don’t keep prospects ‘stocked’ in San Jose to help San Jose win. They keep them there so that the coaches/advisers and special assistants who aren’t into the traveling have very close access to them. And yes, when Connecticut was there, weather was also a factor. But the Giants have little direct interest in the W-L, even in San Jose. It’s just a bonus. I can say that with first-hand knowledge.
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by BruteSentiment on May 2, 2011 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Koshansky and Ishikawa
Having watched Koshansky recently in Trenton, there is no reason on earth to have him in any affiliate’s uniform. There is no spot for Ishikawa in the Giant’s future so instead of futzing around with him in the outfield, he should go to Richmond, play every day at first and get traded at the first opportunity for some longshot prospect we can send to Augusta. With any luck, he’ll cream AA pitching and attract some attention.
by NearestNorwich on May 2, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
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