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I have been lurking in the shadows since we were waiting for Boof and have rarely ever posted. However, I have always appreciated the opinions of the posters here. Now, I am asking for some help. I will be moving to San Francisco for a job in July. I'll be working near the financial district. I'd like to find a place for about $1,000 to $1,300 a month. (Closer to $1,000 is better). Roommates are probably a necessity, but it needs to be the right situation. I am single and in my mid-20's, so a lively neighborhood is a plus, but I'm not a huge partier. I'd also value the luxury of living in a place where I don't have to actively worry getting shanked. At least to start with I am going to have a car, so parking is a consideration. The question is: Where neighborhoods I be looking to live in, and how should I be searching? Friends have recommended the Marina and Lower Pac Heights, are there other areas worth considering? What about the East Bay or somewhere to the south near a Bart line? Thanks in advance for any advice!

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Good luck with the move, I’m in Sacramento and cannot offer one bit of advice. Oh wait! Yes I can! Don’t move to Hunter’s Point or the Tenderloin?

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by Merope on Apr 28, 2011 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Well, that is a start. Thanks!

by jemaine on Apr 28, 2011 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you considered looking in SoMa? It can be kind of dicey I guess, but it’s proximate to both the FD and the ballpark and there’s been a lot of new construction in the last 10 years that might be less than full due to the real estate bubble bursting.
I live in Bernal Heights and like it quite a bit – it’s close to the freeway, neighborhoody and not on the way to anywhere.

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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 28, 2011 6:37 PM PDT reply actions  

I was assuming SoMa was out of my price range, but after searching a bit, it does look like a good option.

What would the commute be like from Bernal Heights?

by jemaine on Apr 28, 2011 6:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

IMO working downtown is not a good fit with living in Bernal. Unless you can drive, in which case you’d pay more to park than you would in rent. You’re looking at one or two buses, with the 14 Mission being the way downtown. Once you drive down Mission St. you’ll see why you don’t want to do that every day.

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by natteringnabob on Apr 29, 2011 4:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

I pay under 200 bucks a month to park at 3rd and Folsom and the drive is 10-15 minutes, but I drive in off-peak hours. The bus you take is the 67 which brings you to 24th street BART… I don’t do this because it’s 45 minutes each direction, sometimes longer.

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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 29, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

So yes, driving is pretty much de rigeur unless you are serious about bicycling – going down to third and going through dogpatch seems doable to me, but the thought of coming home is daunting.

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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 29, 2011 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

Biking would be a good option, if one were into that. I prefer to avoid horrible dismembering death on city streets, but that’s just me.

Any kind of MUNI transfers I avoid whenever possible, those 45 minutes can swell into an hour pretty easily.

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by natteringnabob on Apr 29, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Staying near the BART lines west of the Castro is either not a great idea, or not in the City.

SOMA’s residential areas are mostly newer (in that they’ve been built/rebuilt since about 1985 or so), so you’ll get a better chance of having a place that’ll have a spot for a car, but expect to pay a premium for that.

My friends that lived in the City used to debate what brings a higher premium to have to try to live with in the city: A car or a dog? At this point, I’m not entirely which one is less welcome to people who rent in the City.

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 28, 2011 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

Staying near the BART lines west of the Castro

I don’t know what that is supposed to mean, since BART doesn’t run to the Castro.

The area around Glen Park is very nice, and much of the area around Balboa Park is fine although the Balboa station itself is fairly gritty and not so safe to walk around at night (among other things the pedestrian access to the station is lousy).

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by natteringnabob on Apr 29, 2011 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, meant southwest...

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 29, 2011 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

At the price you're looking for

You’re going to need a roommate. There’s not a chance in hell you’re living alone for 1300.

Look at the Marina, inner Richmond, apts near Cali & Filmore, Mission district (near 16-21st & Valencia/mission st), and SOMA near the ballpark.

If you’re feeling really ambitious you could look at lofts in Potrero Hill near 18th street.

Good luck.

by Sabean_Is_Iago on Apr 28, 2011 7:24 PM PDT reply actions  

Sunset for parking and not getting shanked and you can bus it to FiDi. Not so much lively.

by kimmyg on Apr 28, 2011 7:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah inner sunset near 8th and Irving would be my only rec though. Otherwise pass.

by Sabean_Is_Iago on Apr 28, 2011 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is right where I live. Close to many Muni lines (N, 6, 43, 44) but definitely not on the lively side.

My advice would be to live in Marina or Russian Hill/Nob Hill near Polk St. at least to start. Very lively neighborhoods with a nightlife full of other 20-somethings; you’ll meet a ton of new people around the same age and the vast majority will also be transplants from somewhere. They are on the safer side, so it’s a good base to learn the rest of the city and figure out what neighborhoods you like and don’t like. After 6 months to a year, you can move to one of these other areas or you may love where you are at and stay. The only issue is that parking would be a huge pain though.

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by AngelWillSaveUs on Apr 28, 2011 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Would parking be a big issue in the Marina, or just in the Russian Hill/Nob Hill area?

by jemaine on Apr 28, 2011 10:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Definitely an issue in the Marina

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by BruteSentiment on Apr 28, 2011 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also, Marina douchebags are an issue in the Marina.

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by Johnny Disaster on Apr 29, 2011 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

glad you said it

I was just thinking it. I have been there maybe once in the last 5 years.

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by natteringnabob on Apr 29, 2011 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tee hee

Indeed. Just hung in the Marina the other day on a family trip to the Exploratorium, and we marveled at the populus’ resemblance to a fraternity/sorority row…or, a frat/sorority reunion hall, where the women now push jog strollers and wear stretch pants to prove to the world they stayed in shape post-partem, and the men wear golf apparel to try to prove they are not gay.

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by VidaWantsYourCar on Apr 30, 2011 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol

Its funny cause its true

by m34josh on Apr 30, 2011 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you OK with taking a bus to work?

There’s no way (at least based on my experience) to commute to downtown SF by car (no parking), so you’re pretty limited to BART/Muni to actually get to work.

Personally, I couldn’t bear to take Muni outside of maybe once or twice a year when I worked in San Francisco (it’s the worst public-transportation system I’ve ever experienced), so I lived in areas near BART lines outside of SF (Pacifica, Dublin). Places near BART lines like Walnut Creek, Dublin, and San Bruno would be cheaper than SF and safer, but you might prefer the city life (I didn’t).

If you’re absolutely hell-bent on actually living in SF, I’d recommend the Richmond District (I consider it the most “liveable” area of San Francisco) on the west side of the city. It fits your price range as long as you have roommates, but you’d have to take the bus in (there’s not a nearby BART station).

As for where to look, Craigslist works best in the Bay Area in my experience.

by VanLandingham'sHair on Apr 28, 2011 10:22 PM PDT reply actions  

My job will provide parking, so that isn’t an issue. I wouldn’t mind taking a bus though.

And yes, I might find out that the city life isn’t for me, but it seems like a good time to find out.

Thanks for the advice!

by jemaine on Apr 28, 2011 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

Your job provides parking? DRIVE. Take full advantage of that. Sorry, environment.

by kimmyg on Apr 28, 2011 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

when people refer to "MUNI"

they lump the buses and streetcars together. IME the streetcar lines are way, way, way more reliable than the buses.

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"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Apr 29, 2011 4:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ah, thanks for that clarification. I have always associated “MUNI” with the streetcars.

by jemaine on Apr 29, 2011 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

sunset district, you got buses all around to take you downtown

by frankiecgsw on Apr 28, 2011 11:53 PM PDT reply actions  

It's a little hard to give specifics

unless you can say more about “lively neighborhood”.

Also, it seems like you are definitely bringing a car, in which case you need to think about finding parking where you live, when you get home. Unless that $1000 is used to rent half a house somewhere in the Sunset or Richmond. Anywhere in whitebreadland like the Marina is going to be near-impossible for that, and even some like Noe Valley are a drag for finding parking in the evening.

Actually if you can drive to work, Bernal might be an OK choice for you.

May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.

"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased

"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum

by natteringnabob on Apr 29, 2011 4:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Driving in the city sucks, so even if you have a car and parking in both places it might not be the best way to go. Here are my thoughts on some of the neighborhoods.

SOMA/South Beach/Mission Bay – Plusses: Ballpark, can walk to financial district or take the light rail which is typically not very crowded (except coming home during game time), better weather than most places; Minuses: Not much of a neighborhood feel down there.

Northbeach/Telegraph Hill – Plusses: tons of bars and restaurants, can walk to the financial district; Minuses – no street parking at all, broadway on weekend nights is sketchy

Russian Hill – plusses: nice neighborhood, great views, bars and restaurants on polk, about at 20-25 min walk to downtown; Minuses: I suppose parking and price but it’s not that much worse than anywhere else in the city.

Marina – plusses: nice neighborhood, close to chrissy field and gg bridge, lots of bars and restaurants; Minuses: far from downtown

Nob Hill – Nob Hill varies a lot depending on where you are. It can be sketchy closer to the tenderloin or it can be some of the nicest buildings in the city. Near polk and CA there are lots of bars and restaurants. About a 20 min walk to downtown. No street parking at all.

Pac Heights – Fillmore Street has a lot of restaurants and shops, and a few bars. Two nice parks. About a 30 min bus ride to downtown or a 50 min walk.

Richmond – Far from downtown. Bad weather.

Outer Sunset – Far from downtown. Bad weather.

Mission – Possibly the most interesting neighborhood with tons of places to eat and drink. Easy access to downtown with 2 bart stops. Downside is it can be pretty scketchy there. I lived there for a year and never had a run in with anyone but it’s generally not considered the safest place.

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by SF Pete on Apr 29, 2011 10:15 AM PDT reply actions  

If you can park your car at work overnight, I would definitely garage it there and pick it up when you want to get out of town. You may also want to consider monthly rates at 24/hr garages or lots, as they can sometimes be competitive with the difference you will pay to have parking at your flat. Commuting downtown on Muni from just about anywhere is fairly straight forward, and will greatly enhance your enjoyment of living in this city (there’s a lot to see and do everyday that you would miss out on if burdened with a car commute).

Finding a good housing deal where parking is included or available on the street is a lot tougher than most people think. When you see an ad that says “plenty of street parking”, I would advise that you check it out after 7pm on a weekday. It’s rarely true, even if the neighborhood doesn’t require parking permits. They usually say that to help justify the rent price. If you park on the street overnight, an alarm and locking lug nuts are recommended, no matter how quiet the neighborhood (ricer punks will jack your tires/rims).

Use Craigslist.org and filter for the situation and neighborhood you’re interested in. Also, don’t bother with ads without pics.

Reasonable neighborhoods to check out:
 - Inner Richmond
 - Outer Richmond
 - Inner Sunset
 - NOPA
 - Lower Haight
 - Noe Valley/Eureka Valley
 - Russian Hill
 - Lower Pacific Heights (thin, but good stretch… once you see bars on windows, stop looking)

Avoid:
 - Tenderloin/Civic Center (sometimes referred to as “Lower Nob Hill”)
 - Western Addition (big area with a few neighborhoods, but if they use this name to describe it, it sucks)
 - Mission (high nighttime street crime and gang turf, has good blocks, but hard to define… good for visiting though)
 - Bayview/Hunters Point/Potrero/Filmore (lots of projects and section 8)

Over-priced/Over-rated:
 - Marina
 - Hayes Valley
 - Upper Haight
 - Nob Hill (up the hill=overpriced, down the hill=Tenderloin)

Great if you can find it (but good luck):
 - North Beach/Telegraph Hill
 - Union Square (sometimes you can find a decent 1rm/studio for not too much)
 
If you can be flexible with the car, your options will open up wide! Good luck, and welcome!
 

by KrazyKrabMeat on Apr 29, 2011 10:29 AM PDT reply actions  

Thank you all for the advice! Every bit helps and the task is a little less daunting now.

by jemaine on Apr 29, 2011 3:03 PM PDT reply actions  

You ever thought about the southern bits?

you know, Excelsior/Crocker-Amazon/Ingleside/Sunnyside/Parkmerced, etc?

I’m biased, because I grew up down there, but there ARE strong points to these areas.

The downsides:

- Pretty unsexy. Half the people in town won’t know where you live. Of course half the people in town are transplants from Ohio who don’t know the City from their ass. Not that I’m bitter.

- Can be kind of a haul to get downtown (though if you live near Balboa Park it’s a breeze to get downtown).

- Can be sketchy in some places. Balboa Park is fine, I’ve been going in and out of that station for 25 years and it’s ugly, but it’s perfectly safe. Nobody is giving you crap there.

- Not that much to do. There’s a really great bar I go to, and some real good pizza/burrito places, but it’s not a social area. It’s a bedroom community.

The upsides:

- Can be real cheap. When I lived in SF I lived at home so I’m not the most knowledgeable person on rents, but I’ve heard people paying $600 for a pretty nice room in a 2-3 bedroom apartment, and a nice apartment at that, in my area. FWIW, it seems like everything else is cheaper down there too, from burrito prices to beer at the bars.

- You won’t be struggling for parking. At all.

- Personally, I’ve enjoyed living at arm’s length from the more hectic side of SF while still living in the city. I used to work in the Marina (which is East Coast douchebag heaven) and commute through the entire city to get home, and I loved doing the grand tour every day before ending up in my sleepy hamlet of Crocker-Amazon, where things go a little slower. I live in London now, and basically live in the London equivalent of Crocker-Amazon, and love living there for the same reasons. SF’s transportation system is not the NYC subway, but I’ve never had a problem getting anywhere as long as I budgeted enough time for it and I never had a car.

- Jerky but true: the farther from downtown you go, the more people are actually from SF. Nobody walks around in Yankee hats their mom sent them from Westchester out here.

It’s not for everyone, but it’s a cool neighborhood that has its benefits.

by Bitter Fan on Apr 29, 2011 4:50 PM PDT reply actions  

When my parents visit, they can’t sleep because it’s too quiet here. And they live in a dinky town in Oregon.

And an entire house can be had for the price of an apartment elsewhere.

Like you, I’m glad to leave it all behind, and the two BART stations at Glen Park and Balboa Park take a lot of the hassle out of commuting. Trains come through almost constantly, and even if BART has a glitch one can hop on the J.

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by natteringnabob on Apr 30, 2011 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

I’ll throw one thing in. If you live in the city and drive, be advised that gas prices in SF is among the highest in the country.

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by SFGuy on Apr 29, 2011 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

It's a crapshoot

You never really know what is going to be available and where. Look on craigslist, see what is available and interesting and go from there. Every single area in the city has spots that would work and spots that wouldn’t. There are areas in the Mission where parking isn’t a big deal. There are areas where parking will make you want to kill hipsters. Well, the Mission in general will make you want to kill hipsters.

You could find an in-law or studio for $1000 in some parts of the city. If you have no pets you will find 4-5 times more places. This city is incredibly pet unfriendly. It’s an easy way to filter out the thousand or so interested parties in any available space.

for $1100 you can get very nice apartments in the East Bay, very close to BART. You won’t have the city nightlife outside your door, but it’s not like it is far away. Also, if you are in a poor parking area, it may take as long to find a spot as it would have to drive home to your assigned parking spot.

Good luck!

Back on the market.

by positiveuphemism on Apr 30, 2011 12:11 AM PDT reply actions  

Somewhere in the East Bay is good

Laffayette, Orinda, Moraga, maybe even as far out as Walnut Creek. Very easy BART trip under the water.

by russian.tank on Apr 30, 2011 9:35 PM PDT reply actions  

If you have parking provided with work

then you are definitely going to want to drive to work unless you find something very close to a MUNI streetcar station.

The problem you are going to have is that if you want a “lively neighborhood” where you live then parking is going to be difficult. If you want good parking where you live, it is probably going to be more of a residential area. Personally, I’d rather live in a quiet neighborhood with good parking and easy access in/out of “The City”. I drive or take MUNI when I go out socially. I like Potrero Hill, Diamond Heights, Glen Park, Bernal Heights and Noe Valley but I’m showing my Central/East-side bias here.

I’d second the Craigslist recommendation. Good luck and have fun with it!

by nofreetime on May 1, 2011 8:21 AM PDT reply actions  

On the safety issue

There are certainly some areas to avoid altogether but I would also caution that almost any neighborhood is only a few blocks away from a project or “bad” area. Things can change quickly from one block to another so if you have the opportunity you really want to visit and get a feel for the whole area around where you are looking.

by nofreetime on May 1, 2011 8:38 AM PDT reply actions  

Possible Opportunity

Hey man, I live in Russian Hill (two blocks from Polk) and have a roommate that will be moving out in the next couple of months. Two bedroom (though be warned it’s a pretty small place) the rent fits in with what you are looking for and the Financial District is easily accessible by Bus. I’ve lived here for about two years and absolutely love the place and the location. Parking can be kind of a bitch, but once you get to know the area, it’s easy enough to find a spot (I commute out of the city and drive every day). Send me an email if you are interested…

jburger2818@gmail.com

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