minor lines, 4/24/11
by steve S on Apr 25, 2011 12:49 AM PDT
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PrintSunday highlights from the Giants' farm: Among seven Grizzlies with multi-hit lines, Ryan Rohlinger and Travis Ishikawa both homered.
AAA: Fresno defeated Reno 12-5
(after scoring eight runs in the 5th inning)
Fresno: SS Ryan Rohlinger: 2 for 6, HR, SO
Fresno: 3B Conor Gillaspie: 2 for 3, 2 BB
Fresno: LF Brandon Belt: 2 for 4, 2B, BB, SO
Fresno: RF Travis Ishikawa: 2 for 5, HR, 2B, 3 SO
Fresno: CF Thomas Neal: 3 for 5, 2B
Fresno: 2B Edgar Gonzalez: 3 for 5, SB
Reno: CF Colin Cowgill: 2 for 5, HR, 3B, SO, GiDP
Fresno: SP Matt Yourkin: 5.1 IP, 6 H, 4 R, 4 ER, 3 BB, 6 K--2 HR, 1 WP
Seven different Grizzlies had multi-hit lines, led by Neal and Gonzalez who had three hits each. Rohlinger and Ishikawa had their 4th and 1st HRs, respectively. Gillaspie reached base four times. Belt had another solid game. Cowgill, one of the Diamondbacks top 30 prospects, had a good game with his 2nd HR and 1st triple.
Yourkin had less than a quality start, but it was good enough given his run support to secure his first win of the season. He has allowed 4+ ER in three of his four starts.
AA: Richmond had a scheduled off-day
A+: San Jose had a scheduled off-day
A-: Augusta had a scheduled off-day
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As the only “real” outfielder, CF is the likeliest spot for him, sandwiched between the two firstbasemen. I guess this gives more meaning to Thomas “Real Deal” Neal.
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Yeah, I get why they're doing it
If Ishikawa is more versatile he has trade value, and Belt is in LF because Huff is signed for 2 years.
Still I’ve heard Neal’s LF defense is ~average. If he could be close to average in CF that would be huge
I wouldn’t get your hopes on that. Neal’s defensive MO is good instincts, good hands, poor range.
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The all first base outfield
Pill has supposedly gotten some work at third, if they can stick Eldred at first they can have 5 guys who were considered firstbasemen at one time or another all in the lineup.
Imagine you could have a do-over with Fred Lewis, without the bad routes and melancholy. I grant you Chris Lofton.
If we can figure out a way to have a Burrell/DeRosa/Huff OF we could make an impressive attempt at it in SF, too.
Interestingly, Fresno has also had several games with Burriss playing the OF this year.
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Rohlinger now has 938 pa’s in AAA with a line of .285/.363/.469. He’s as good a hitter as Tejada or Sanchez or Fontenot, I reckon.
His AAA MLE is .238/.290/.378. The only one of those three with an OPS lower than .688 is Tejada who sits at .556. I guess the realistic take home message here is that Tejada blows.
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/mlecalc.html
I used his AAA totals: AAA (3 seasons)
G PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB
220 938 821 134 234 63 2 28 140 7 3 82 156 .285 .363 .469 .832 385 23 23 4 8 3
I thought minorleaguesplits was gone! That’s good news. But their conversion seems to discount PCL numbers considerably more than I would’ve expected.
I believe the site is no longer updated, but the engine is still there to generate MLEs.
Jose Flores: .831 OPS in High-A last year, 23 years old. This is his year.
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by free f.p. #14 on Apr 25, 2011 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
they are gone, but you can still enter the numbers for the calculator. I agree it seems unfair to the PCL, but his OPS across his entire MiLB career is still only .794 which makes it seem closer to real…
Well, anyway, here are the rest-of-season ZIPS projections:
Rohlinger .255/.317/.386
Sanchez .279/.323/.392
Tejada .282/.313/.405
Fontenot .253/.315/395
Not much to choose from there. They seem to be laying an aggressive aging curve on Freddy, but then 33-year-old second basemen don’t have an encouraging history.
I am not as worried about 2B. The problem is that Tejada is currently batting .205/ .241/ .315 in what is definitely a SSS, but it is 79 PA which is not nothing. If you combine that dreck with his performance in ST and with his odious defense, you get something that is pretty much raw sewage.
up-the-middle talent:
The Giants have none. Except Gary Brown.
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well,
I meant down on the farm. But yeah, Buster definitely counts.
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all glove, no hit
definitely fun to watch in the field, but i don’t think he’ll ever hit enough to be a frontline starter.
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I don't know
Have you seen Tehahada? He doesn’t hit much either, but he makes up for it by not catching much as well.
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by Giant Torture on Apr 25, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
i hope he proves me wrong
but he’s a career .246 hitter in the (mostly) lower minors. Nothing would make me happier than to see him figure it out, though — i love watching him flash the leather.
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Here are his MLEs
.182/.262/.229
http://mlsplits.drivelinebaseball.com/mlsplits/playerinfo/501303
yikes.
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whoops, copies the wrong line
it’s actually .184/.242/.238
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And the batting average shoots up two points!
I feel prickishly demanding!
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by giantsfansince1981 on Apr 25, 2011 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s pretty much my assessment of Adrianza. If I had to handicap it, I’d say Adrianza has the better shot of being an everyday big leaguer.
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by Giant Torture on Apr 25, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
They've been reborn
Sort of, as they say: http://mlsplits.drivelinebaseball.com/
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Manny Action
.339/.424/.429 with 5 doubles and 15 stolen bases so far this season
He’s played 4 games at short.
Any chance for a callup to replace the ancient mummy Tejada?
I noticed Manny hasn’t played the last few games after starting every game prior to that. Does he have an woie?
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I meant “owie” though “woie” isn’t too bad either I suppose.
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In a word: no
We have no reason to believe Burriss can hit at the major league level, and many reasons to believe he can’t. Tejada is almost certainly the better option, even at this late stage in his career.
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We also have little reason to believe Burriss can field at the major league level.
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On the other hand...
What have we seen from Burriss except two seasons recovering from an injured foot, and one year when he was rushed to the majors far too quickly.
While I don’t know there’s a reason to believe he can hit major league pitching, and I certainly wouldn’t have him replace Tejada, I don’t believe there’s a reason to give up on him yet. And the fact he’s exploded offensively while healthy so far (albeit small sample size) gives me hope for him.
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 25, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I said something similar to this the other day, although I’d certainly backtrack from “exploded offensively”. Not sure when he’s had a season or even a month when that would be appropriate. Still, I hope for better things from him, so I wouldn’t want to DFA him just yet.
That said, do you know why he’s stopped playing lately? Is he hurt again?
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For him...
…it’s an explosion. :)
It’s a minor tweak. I’m told he should be back today or tomorrow.
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 25, 2011 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Still have no reason to believe he can hit at the major league level
I also have no reason to believe he can’t.
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Deckchairs question
Let’s assume Ford returns to Fresno when Andres Torres comes off the DL. Does that mean:
Ford – CF?
Neal – LF? RF?
Belt – LF? 1B?
Ishi – ?
Pill – 1B? 3B?
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Ishi: Pittsburgh
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Toronto!
Lind needs a backup.
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Dan Johnson? Seriously?
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by nostocksjustbonds on Apr 25, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
ugh
we’ve already got that guy.
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by Evan on Apr 25, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
BOWKERRRRR
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Yup
Let’s just hope for a deal with the Pirates, chances are it will go well.
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by Giant Torture on Apr 25, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Ronny Cedeno must really need arms.
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by howtheyscored on Apr 25, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
He aspires to be Goro.
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Wait, did we just end up with a one-armed SS in this scenario?
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In a serious reply... (what's that?)
I expect we’ll be seeing Belt get the majority of his playing time in the outfield. That may be one of a few reasons he got sent down. If the Giants tried having him learn the outfield up there and he starts making mistakes, a lot of fans would turn on him quickly.
I expect you’ll see Pill and Ishi taking more turns at first, and switching between that and DH.
The real question is, where does Eldred fit when he comes back?
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 25, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
I’d think he fits on somebody else’s AAA team. I mean he’s only picked up as AAA positional fodder to begin with, and that position’s stacked, so why keep him? We have no investment in him. He’s got a long enough track record to have a decent handle on his potential value (not much), and he’s looked pretty terrible so far (ST included). I don’t see any reason for not releasing him without a second thought.
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Yeah, I'm guessing he was brought in to be this year's Jesus Guzman
And since that spot has been taken by Ishi that kinda leaves him without a spot. And he could fill some AAA team with DINGERZ!
Hey, there’s some value to Fresno to having him. I know a lot of people only look at farm teams as developing for the majors, but the teams themselves have to at least break even and keep the fans interested.
Fresno’s one such team that has been a bit under attack, with one news report calling them a ‘drain on city finances.’
I know a lot of people up here wouldn’t give two you-know-whats, but big picture, with all the players that get pulled out of Fresno for the big league team, it’s not wrong to give them at least one star of their own to keep and hopefully get the team to the playoffs for the first time.
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 25, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Man, I forgot about Eldred. =\
Does it seem likely as well that Belt will get most of his starts in LF? I base that assumption on Ross and Nate’s defensive abilities being optimized in RF, with Burrell then going to the bench.
If that’s the case, can Neal play RF?
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Can he play it? Yes
But I think he’s a better fit for now in left, and I bet that, on a short learning track, they’ll play him there most, even with the general long-term think being that Neal will be the longer-term left fielder from the farm system.
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 25, 2011 12:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks. I agree with that assessment.
I guess we’ll have to wait until the dominoes start falling, but if Belt is going to get his starts in the OF, I’d rather it be in LF than RF because I think that’s the position he’s most likely to play in SF if/when he gets called up.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
So, Ishikawa hit a Grand Slam on Easter day...
Between Easter Eggs and Grand Slams, there’s gotta be a Denny’s joke in there.
BTW, I know Travis wasn’t around for Fresno’s picture days, but couldn’t MiLB have found a better picture than what they’re using on his player page?
Awww….Defenders.
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by BruteSentiment on Apr 25, 2011 10:30 AM PDT reply actions
Serious Ishi is Serious
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by EliminateMe on Apr 25, 2011 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm getting a Jeremy Piven vibe from that photo
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
is Gus Benusa still in the organization?
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by TimLaser and MattyC on Apr 25, 2011 12:50 PM PDT reply actions
tommy john
I remember reading last season he had tommy john surgery
by OCGiant on Apr 25, 2011 2:44 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I was just thinking the same thing
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BB
I am glad Gillaspie has started walking more… 6 walks in his last 10 games vs 5 strikeouts.
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