Would you trade DeRosa, Tejada & Burriss+ for Reyes?
by wcovington on Apr 19, 2011 12:41 PM PDT
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Let's take the long-term view. Let's say we could sign Jose Reyes to a 3-year contract after acquiring him . . .
The Mets are in deep doody at second base and elsewhere. They are not playoff material. They need to dump salaries yet show some improvement. Mark DeRosa could step in as their full-time 2B, Tejada would be their SS; Manny Burris could play SS or 2B, and be a future at either position. Big upgrade for Mets. All on relatively short and inexpensive contracts. (We might have to offer an additional second level pitching prospect.)
Our salary savings go toward paying Reyes for the rest of this season, and assuming he would stay healthy, he would give us peace of mind at or near the top of the order for a number of years.
"Wait," you say, "Reyes is injury prone." True, but so is DeRosa. Tejada is 37 and one hammie from an extended stay on the DL. Then what? Rohlinger? There aren't many quality SS out there -- especially those that might be available. I count two: Jose Reyes and (very unlikely) Jimmy Rollins.
Sure, there are risks, but I thought I'd ask. Your thoughts?
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This would be the steal of the century.
No way the Mets take this deal unless we throw in Wheeler, and even then its doubtful. The Mets will get a better offer than this. They probably already have a better offer than this on the table with some team somewhere.
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Yeah, I voted in a nano-second
But that was before I realized there was another option about the Mets never accepting it. Which they wouldn’t because it does nothing to help them next year.
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by Giant Torture on Apr 19, 2011 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions
me too
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Apr 21, 2011 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions
dude
you can’t give away your garbage to another team and expect anything good in return. You want Reyes? You’ll probably have to part with Wheeler
by Sabean_Is_Iago on Apr 19, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions 5 recs
I truly don’t see a problem with that. reyes is what we desperatly need, wheeler isnt. The rest of the guys are irrelevant, De rosa? Tejada? neither are important. Burriss? I’d rather have reyes.
The mets don’t do this but I wish they would. The giants probably don’t even make the offer.
Wheeler is what we'll need by the time he's ready
Wheeler should be in the big league’s sometime between 2013 and 2014. You don’t actually think the Giants staff will still be in tact do you? And even if it is, which would be great, Wheeler can replace Zits.
Also, also, Wheeler is the only blue chip prospect the Giants have outside of Belt so if you trade him for a rental player you’ve just about gutted your farm system and ruined any chance you have of making a move this year or possibly next that requires minor league talent.
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by Giant Torture on Apr 21, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope he develops that fast
Unless we sign Sanchez to an extension I don’t think we can expect Wheeler by 2013 unless he’s fast-tracked or does really well. A year in SJ, Richmond, and Fresno puts him in the bigs in the 2014 season. And Sanchez will probably be able to sign a deal for longer than a year, but we won’t want him for that long if Wheeler’s on the cusp. I think we’ll sign someone to a one year deal or Surkamp will be ready. Wheeler makes more sense replacing Zito.
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A top 6 pick getting to the majors after 3+ years would’t be at all unusual though (with the caveat of course that his development is progressing well and not retarding or going down with injuries). Looking at the 4/5ths of our rotation that came up through the system (with 3 of them being 1st rounders) none of the 4 spent a full year in both AA and AAA on their way up before being promoted.
Cain split a year between A+ and AA, then had a full AAA.
Bumgarner split a year between A+ and AAA then had half a year in AAA.
Sanchez skipped A+ altogether (other than a couple playoff starts) and had only 13 games in AA before coming up.
Lincecum was of course a streaking comet thru a 13 game minor league career.
Only two of those were HS of course, but still the precedent is that they push their high performers. Alderson they first pushed (with the aggressive A+ initial assignment) and then quickly dumped when his development retarded.
As for Sanchez, it’s worth noting that he’s a Boras client, and while that’s not an absolute predictor of anything, it’s well known that Boras preference is for his clients to establish their worth on the free market and not sign extensions. That’s probably particularly true for someone like Sanchez who will become a FA almost exactly at the time he turns 30 when an argument could still be made that he was in his peak production years. An extension pushing him off the market until, say, 32 could make a big difference in the kinds of offers he might see, and Boras would certainly be looking at it from that angle.
(on the other hand, of course, Rueter was a Boras client and he got a very agreeable extension signed with the Giants because, reportedly, he ordered Boras quite directly to get an extension done and keep him in SF).
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Wheeler's injury makes a big difference though
Missing so much of the season with that finger issue means he’s not where Cain and Bumgarner were at this time, and I think those are the best comparisons because they were HS athletes.
Not to mention the state of the big league team isn’t the same. Cain was called up to start on a crappy Giants squad that wasn’t going anywhere, so they could afford to give him time at the ML level because they weren’t going to win anyway. Cain did spend three years in the minors, though, with a full year in the Sally in 2003, A+ and AA in 2004, and AAA in 2005.
Bumgarner was called up for the opposite reason as Cain, to supplement a winning team. Perhaps that will be the case with Wheeler (it seems more likely than Cain’s situation), but I would imagine Surkamp would be ready before that, or we’d sign a FA to fill the spot instead of rushing Wheeler (unless he’s doing great, which I accounted for). But Bumgarner moved so quickly in part because he had continued success that Wheeler hasn’t seen yet, and that I don’t think we can assume will happen.
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I don’t disagree with any of that generally. But I think that the org won’t hesitate to promote him earlier if they like his progress. Also, if I had to guess right now I’d say they won’t have Sanchez past his current FA date.
Oh, and about the injury — Cain was shut down for the entire second half of the year when he was in the Sally (stress fracture in his elbow). He ended up throwing 74IP in 14 games, Wheeler threw 58 IP in 21 games.
It will be interesting to see if they move Wheeler up this season if he keeps throwing well. That would put him on the same development schedule as Cain and Bumgarner and suggest that the organization views him as a similar “fast mover.”
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I wouldn’t be surprised if they try to fast-track him to let them trade Sanchez. But I don’t think they’ll force it; promote him aggressively, but if he fails, slow him down.
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Like the above comments
I think The Mets would rather just dump his salary for prospects than take on salaries like Derosa and Tejada. Expiring contracts are only THAT valuable in the NBA.
P.S.: Burriss isn’t a prospect.
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Must be a Troll.
It takes caluculation to put together an idea this awful.
I mean, maybe if it were Belt instead of Burris in this deal…but then you have to question if the Giants would do that.
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Love it - I think we should do it
I remember growing up in Utah and listening to sports radio, people would call in and suggest a 6 for 1 deal to get Hakeem Olajuwon. Who wouldn’t want Shandon Anderson, Greg Ostertag, Adam Keefe, Howard Eisley and a few second round draft picks?
I’m surprised the Jazz never got Olajuwon. I guess I won’t hold my breath that Sandy Alderson doesn’t want the “expiring” contracts of DeRosa, Tejada and the new Rickey Henderson without power, Manny Burriss.
As long as they are being charitable
We should give them Zito and Rowand too, in exchange for Ike Davis and David Wright of course
by m34josh on Apr 19, 2011 1:09 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Rowand may be possible
With Rowand doing better it may be possible to trade him. I would find it unlikely because they wouldn’t need him. But it would be worth trying with him doing better
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by jctGamer on Apr 19, 2011 1:20 PM PDT reply actions 9 recs
This makes a nice counterpoint to the “Would Belt, Bumgarner, and Wheeler be enough?” thread on Amazin’ Avenue.
by Evan on Apr 19, 2011 1:24 PM PDT reply actions 8 recs
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Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
Hmmmm.....
I think I’d rather have Tejada play short, him or Posey.
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by Giant Torture on Apr 21, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Bumgarner is too much on his own.
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Funny, but
I went to look and this seems like an unfair characterization of that post. That guy was saying, “The Giants most attractive trade bait that is not plain untouchable are those three guys, and even if the Giants were to offer them I’d rather keep Reyes based on the talent gap at those positions.”
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by achiappanza on Apr 22, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
so you’re saying we need to throw in Rowand
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BUT WHERE WOULD WE PLAY BELT
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by howtheyscored on Apr 19, 2011 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions
didn't we just have one like this?
or was that something Grant posted about trading Zito, Rowand, Nate, LOL Fred, Bengie, Dave Roberts, and a bag of cow manure for last year’s NL All Star Team
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i hope sabean is willing to take that risk! 2 expiring contracts and an injury prone 25 yr old AAA player for jose reyes! THINK THIS ONE THROUGH SABES
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The Mets should give the Giants Reyes as a sign of gratitude for saving them from paying Barry Zito $96M over six years for Zito!
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D'oh!
The Mets should give the Giants Reyes as a sign of gratitude for saving them from paying Barry Zito $96M over six yearsfor Zito!
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someday we will change that pesky rule that states that a team that is not your favorite team has to also agree to a trade before it can be made.
by FluLikeSymptoms on Apr 19, 2011 8:26 PM PDT reply actions
lolwut
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After being hit with that trade proposal, the idea of signing Jose Reyes to a three year contract isn’t so crazy.
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This was my reaction
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by Orodawg on Apr 19, 2011 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
There it is.
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Horrible Trade for us
EVeryone saw how helpful DeRosa was last year getting us into the playoffs and winning a world series….. how do you expect us to replace a player like that?
With Juan Uribe?
Think about it . . . .
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He probably is, at this point.
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by natteringnabob on Apr 21, 2011 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Only if they threw in David Wright too.
No way I would part with DeRosa for one of the top SS in the game. No way.
Maybe they could throw in Benny Agbayani?
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This is a joke, right?
Mets would be nuts to consider it.
That said, they should try to get Reyes. He’ll be available. The Tejada “experiment” is just not working on either side of the field….
This sounds like a super-lobsided fantasy baseball trade.
In other words, never gonna happen.
by Abby Normal TS on May 10, 2011 11:27 PM PDT reply actions
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