I've got to set the stage here . . . it's the late afternoon of Thursday, May 27, 2010. The Giants have just taken 2 of 3 at the home field from the mighty Washington Nationals, thanks to an apparent Adam Dunn home run that turned out to be a double. But the lost game was Lincecum's start when he went 4.2 with 6 earned runs. And the prior weekend saw the Giants score all of one run . . . in THREE losses to the A's. Whether Posey would come up is the question du jour, and Pat Burrell was just a faint glimmer in the eye of the McCoven. (Most, including me, weren't much interested, although it seemed like a "no harm no foul" possibility.)
And with this backdrop, Sabean reluctantly picks up the phone when the Razor and Mr. T. call for the bi-weekly (you tell me--I never listen to the show) Sabean portion of the "Larry Baer and Brian Sabean" segment on the drive-time entertainment. The resulting train wreck was the talk of Bay Area sports media for the next couple of weeks.
I was so fascinated with the negative things I saw in the interview . . . Sabean's thin skin, Barbieri's odd combination of high self-regard with an almost childlike desire to be loved and appreciated by Sabean . . . and more important the paradigmatic example of the inability of media generally to muster facts as opposed to pound out "he said/she said" opinion/conflict pieces . . . that I sat down and typed a transcript of the episode. I meant to post it here with a long critique of Sabean's history and of Barbieri's fatuousness.
It's fascinating reading . . . to me at least . . . with the extraordinary last year in the rear view mirror. I hindsight, much as I dislike him, I have to give Barbieri at least the credit to come back to his one stupid point ("you need two big hitters") and to demand an answers from Sabean. I have to give Sabean credit too. He admitted his failure generally (while refusing to acknowledge any specific one). He expressed how disappointed he was that the Giants hadn't won a World Series under his commend. And his fundamental point was right. It was just May 27th, after all. Good things could indeed happen with the pitching staff that he had assembled. And the strategy that Barbieri (correctly, in my opinion) derided as the "crapshoot" strategy actually worked. THE GIANTS WON THE WORLD SERIES.
I don't really know what to make of what all this means at this juncture. But after the jump comes the transcript. So you tell me.
T: Hey, it's the Razor and Mr. T. And it's the Brian Sabean/Larry Baer Show. Today we have Brian Sabean, who is brought to you by D.R. Horton, America's Builder, featuring "better homes built for better living." And Patrick James, a West Coast Classic and proud sponsor of San Francisco Giants' baseball on KNBR.
T: Brian, how you doin'?
BS: Must win game, must win series, and we survived.
T: Wow, we're at that point already-"must win"?
BS: Oh, well, I think so. With the road trip we did ... Although we should've won a game in Arizona, the bullpen couldn't hold the lead. Washington's a dangerous team. They can swing the bat. They have a nice middle of the order. And if they pitch, they're going to be in some games. As indicative of, in their division, just their record.
RB: Brian, a colleague [or "Paulie"?] just pointed out that the Giants released a statement to Comcast saying that Bruce Bochy had a chat with Lincecum today ... er ... and called him out [chuckles at his own error] well, not "called out" in that sense of the word, but it says that things were going a little tough, no big deal. But we're wondering why the Giants would release something like that. If there's anything going on that may be ... .
BS: I don't know the circumstance. Maybe it was something as simple as the beat writers or people in the clubhouse want to ... I know that he was in Boche's office for quite some time. And if you know the uh ... the layout ... the demographics, as you come in the door and look to the left, there is a window that sees into the office. And if that blind was open, and there was a need to have confirmation that he was talking to Timmy ... I know that he was in there a while.
T: He is it ... and to me, Brian, he's had such a great start to his career that we expect him to go out there and pitch eight innings and strike 12 guys out and win games. Guys go through this, but when you see him maybe losing a little focus and not hitting the velocity that he's used to hitting, you have a tendency to panic because you've been spoiled a little bit. Is it one of those things that everybody goes through, and he's not used to, and I imagine if you are Tim you are not used to having three games in a row where you can't find it? Is it anything more than frustration? Is it mechanical, is it "oh we've got to worry?", or "don't worry", or somewhere in between?
BS: It's, I think, a lot of factors. You are as good as your delivery. If you don't have a delivery on a particular day, you are not going to make pitches, you are not going to repeat arm action. He is reluctant, and I know won of the things that 'Ghetti talked about last night with him, and probably Boche today, was "trust your fastball." "Your fastball's plenty good." And maybe he's got into the mode where, instead of establishing the fastball, he's gotten away from that, and he's pitching away from the bat, trying to get to the changeup in the count, and really pitch for the strikeout. Where he can be more aggressive, especially in this ballpark, with the would-be velocity and movement he has, and he has a pretty good breaking ball. And so, one, I think it's a learning curve in and around not having your best delivery and your best stuff. Like you said, I'm sure he gets frustrated because his expectations are high. And everybody's gotten used to this standard. But it doesn't preclude anybody from having the stretch that he's had in the last few starts.
RB: And Tommy's been saying that it's not a big deal, and I said "Tom, anything that has to do with Lincecum is a big deal."
BS: I would agree with that. You know, he's our guy. I mean, he's the guy you expect you are really going to be in the game where he has it under control. And when he doesn't, it's kind of a surprise.
RB: Well he's got such an incredible repertoire of, like, four "out pitches" or whatever. You know, you figure the guy can do it one way or he can do it another. You're not too surprised by a little dropoff in velocity. But the last ... I didn't see the game before last but ... the game before that, I think, he was around 93 tops, and you know there's all these pitch to contact and whatnot ... but I get a little more concerned ... I don't worry all that much about command and that kind of thing. I think he can recapture that. But I get a little worried about losing velocity if it's ...
BS: Well, he hasn't lost velocity. He's just lost confidence and trust in that pitch to throw strike one. Or more so when he's throwing changeups. You can't pitch that way including ... I'm sure the advanced scout from Washington said "look, this guy's a bear no matter what happens, so let's go up there and see some pitches, and have a two-strike approach, and try to grind him out." And they did that and they were successful in getting some men on base. Because he was pitching behind, and they got some base on balls, and some timely hits. Again, I think it's a learning curve. And fortunately we were able to win the series and especially win today.
T: Well, was there something that happened that you can pinpoint where he was throwing fastballs and getting hit. I'm trying to go back and figure out when he decided that his fastball wasn't good enough to get guys out.
BS: Well, I think if you just see what happens to him in a game. You know he's going to strike-out eight plus guys. There are going to be a lot of changes on his off-speed stuff. In fact it's a change-up not a split. And, you know, quite frankly he's a pop-up/fly ball kind of guy. He's really not a hard-contact/line drive to ground ball guy. It's more of him establishing early that he's going to be aggressive in the count with his fastball. And not worry so much about where that takes him in the strikeout. I'm sure that it's complicated for him, because he can punch people out. Schmidt was very similar to this. Schmidt went through a time where he discovered that change-up where he thought that that was the nirvana. And he learned, as it became more and more apparent, that that was going to be successful for him, that he again had to pitch off his fastball. Not many people can pitch backwards. Usually the guys who pitch backwards are the guys at the end of their career or pretty much don't have their fastball to be able to compete that way.
RB: We all know Schmidt was soft anyway. [giggles-silence from T and BS] The uh ... what about ... how much is Uribe making? I mean, boy, people can point out the bad deals, and there have been a number, but Uribe has gotta be ... he's leading the teams in home runs and RBIs, I believe. How much is he making, Brian?
BS: Well, he's saved us. He's making three million dollars, and he's certainly earned every penny of that. Certainly playing shortstop for us. And the guy's a great guy to be around. He's lighting up the clubhouse every day no matter what the mood is. So ... the guy just likes to play. He likes to be on the field. And not matter what happens with who comes off the DL, or what the lineup looks like, he's going to be in it.
RB: You know what you've got to do if you have another down period or have a losing streak? Have Bochy flip a spread. [laughs at his own joke-T and BS are silent][unintelligible attempt to amplify joke]
BS: [Lightly] That tells me that you've always wanted to do that.
RB: I have always wanted to do that. [still laughing]
BS: I don't think these guys would care if you flipped the spread. [RB still chortling.] They make enough money that they're probably not worried about eating. The young guys, they've got "to go" bags, and they're in here early to make sure they get three squares. I couldn't tell you the last time I've heard of a spread being flipped.
RB: Oh, yeah, we were just reminiscing about that. We don't remember.
T: It's kind of hard to scare someone making 8, 9 million dollars a year.
T: We're talking to Brian Sabean here on KNBR. Hey, let me run something by that I've been saying. And I have may have been a little animated after the A's series because that was such a dreadful series to watch offensively. But what I've said, Brian, and I'm just curious to get your thoughts, that when I look at this team, I think it's a World Series caliber pitching staff with a non-playoff lineup up and down. You seem to have a lot of two-hole hitters and six-hole hitters, and Pablo may be the only middle of the order hitter that you guys have. I went ...
RB: We hope [apparently referring to whether Pablo is a "middle of the order hitter].
T: I went back the last ten years, and most of the teams that go far in the playoffs have legitimate three-four-five guys. If not, two guys who are pretty dominant. And the question is, do you look at this offense as an offense that can do something if they make the playoffs against dominant pitching. And, if not, would you be willing to trade some of the pitching that you have to address the need to balance things out a little bit more.
BS: That's going to be the ongoing question or dilemma. We have to get better offensively. I agree with that challenge. I don't know how much better that we can pitch, given that there's a lot of pressure on these guys. They know that they are going out there without the support of the four-plus runs. And until we figure it out offensively . . . Including the division we're in. We're seeing that everyone has their relative strengths while they have their weaknesses. If you just look at San Diego, somebody who's getting by on ... you're talking about pitching that everyone saw in the '60s from the Dodgers and the Giants. I mean, it's old-fashioned baseball. They play fundamentally sound. And they find a way to get the score to their advantage so they can turn it over to an excellent bullpen. But I agree with you, Tommy. We're not like ... certainly haven't even come close to gelling like a playoff type of offense. Hopefully there is plenty of time. There is plenty of time to get some guys back on the field. And Posey will be up there and contribute. And at some point we're going to be staring at the question you just asked about what kind of move we make to inject more life into the situation.
RB: How would you suggest I go about finding out if Neukom is harder to get money out of than Magowan? Is there anyone I can ask about that?
BS: Microsoft, maybe. But their money isn't really real. When you are in the billions, when everything is in the billions, I don't know how real that is. Like the government, they might throw around billions like we throw around a ten-dollar bill. That's a tough question.
RB: [chuckling at his own cleverness] I'm afraid that it is, and I hope that it's not, 'cause ... I mean basically ... these like ... we could certainly use better 3-4-5 hitters in the order.
BS: I can answer this. And believe me, we are over-budget but nobody's worried about that fact. We're in a position where we know that this window of opportunity with the pitching ... and especially Bill [Neukom] and the partnership, I have not ever heard once from him to say we shouldn't pursue a higher standard or increased excellence. And my job is to bring up scenarios. And if that means adding money or doing away with a couple of our top prospects, I'm sure he's going to be open minded. As he has in every dealing I've had with him since he signed aboard.
RB: I mean, the natives are really getting more restless than I've seen them in a long time. And it's like ... year after year it's basically the same problem ... I mean, not enough potential ... I mean ... Tom has the list of 3-4-5 hitters, and anybody that's done anything has at least two good guys. We did it when you got Jeff Kent. And there's never been . . and people say "well, we've got to wait until the Bonds era gets over and let Brian do his stuff" and I'm not sure of the logistic of that. I would consider myself, if I were a general manager, pretty lucky to have Barry Bonds and ...
BS: And we were. We had plenty of chances. And I would say 2000, 2002, and 2003 we had a legitimate chance to perhaps win the World Series. And we didn't. And a lot would change in the present day, including where the fans are at, if we'd've done that. And that didn't happen. We did ride that horse. And the time expired. And unfortunately we didn't have the proper exit strategy or we could have dove-tailed someone positionally or, like you say, a middle of the order presence to go forward with. And we're suffering because of that. Fortunately, we have the pitching, and we'll be able to hang in there because of that, and we have a window where these guys are going to be together for awhile. Withstanding that we don't move anybody in a trade.
RB: I mean, to what extent do you think it would be fair for to shoulder the blame for not having fixed this problem of having better hitters? We all know the money that was perhaps misspent on Rowand and Renteria and Roberts and never going for the big guy, so to speak, and it just ... every year we have this conversation ... and the pitching is good enough that ... is it fool's gold? ... and I've decided that it's going to be a "crapshoot free area" here now... no more talking about "if you make it to the playoffs it's just a crapshoot" . . . 'cause I think that's just a weak excuse to not spend money to better the team. I know you need cooperation but ... how much of the blame would you take for ... and I'd acknowledge the great job you've done with the pitching staff ... but not having somebody that can hit the ball ... really since Bonds?
BS: I think you guys know me better than that. I have no issue with taking blame. But it's an organizational answer where the organization needs to take the blame. "Blame" in terms of us not figuring out together, again, the exit strategy, how we get somebody in here. Now, if you go back ... I hate to do revisionist history ... we were looking at trying to sign somebody other than Bonds ... or somebody to go with him ... and we were unsuccessful at doing that either because teams either blew us out of the water or the player didn't want to come here. We also had been in the position, you know ... you didn't have other factors lined up like pitching so that we became a first choice of, say, a sexy player and then you fight the battle of how much money you need to spend on one player versus spreading the money through the roster. Now, as it turned out, we failed in both areas. We haven't brought in that one player. So we can't ... no one's come aboard, it turned out. And we haven't been successful at spreading the money through the roster to give us incremental improvement in the offense. So, you know ... there's no problem people taking blame. We understand the errors of our ways. And I think the average fan that follows the ballclub knows that you don't try to make mistakes, you don't try to make decisions that come about, because you work too hard at it. But it's the nature of the beast. If you take every free agent, that is signed in every off season, you are going to have great success stories, you are going to have guys who've got hurt even though they have no injury history, and you are going to have people fall flat on their face. And you can do it ... you know, we keep score too. We just did an analysis the other day of every team in baseball and who signed for how much money and where these guys were at.
T: How do you . . . how do you . . .
BS: It's not blame. Believe me, nobody can beat themselves up the way that we can in this organization.
RB: Yeah, but ... but everybody ... somebody had to take the blame for Zito. And I think, fortunately for you, you've got a pass on that. I think you probably deserved it. But nobody's really sure. Everybody says, you know, "Brian didn't want to do the Zito thing and that was all Peter Magowan." Did you want to do the Zito thing or not? I have a hunch that you probably didn't want to, or at least weren't as anxious as ... umm ... you know, Peter maybe, but you know that's a major faux pas that you're going to be paying for ... for a long time. I think ...
BS: That isn't over yet, though, Ralph. And saying as to Zito ... forget the money ... he was signed for a specific reason ...
RB: But you can't forget the money.
BS: Well, go around ...
RB: [interrupts unsuccessfully]
BS: Go around the big leagues and who's really worth the money. Including young players who don't really make any money and, you know, all of a sudden they have to suck it up and they have to wait their turn.
RB: You're not saying ...
BS: I don't know ...
RB: You're not saying you would do that contract again, would you?
BS: No, I don't think anybody would. But it was the price of doing business at that time with a player that we liked, hadn't missed his starts, had been nails in terms of innings pitched, and you know he was a guy who was affable [?] enough to be in the organization upon Barry [Bonds'] exit. You know, I don't regret Barry Zito in this organization one iota. You know, the other thing is that there was another club, in the American League, that offered more money. He opted for us because he wanted to stay in the Bay Area.
RB: Who was the other club?
BS: [laughs] I can't tell you that. I'm sure you can find out.
RB: I tell you what, I would take an un-affable Barry Bonds over an affable Barry Zito. I'm not even sure how affable he is.
BS: I would disagree with that at the end of Barry's [Bonds'] career. Here we're getting into something that doesn't make sense as regards to offense.
RB: But Brian we're getting ...
BS: [interrupts] Barry's got nothing to do with the offense.
RB: But Brian of course he does. You can't get offensive players because you spent a lot of money on Zito that you could spend more on the offense.
BS: Ralph, that's not true. We're dealing with him being folded into the budget. Everybody's salary goes up from year to year.
RB: So you're saying that ...
BS: [interrupting again] Zito being on this ballclub, being paid what he's being paid, has no affect on us going out and signing a free agent. Look at Holliday. Name the next hitter that we could have brought in here that would have absolutely sealed the deal to improve this offense. And usually it's that way from year to year. You may have a window once a year, or once every couple of years, to be in a position to sign a difference maker player. Fortunately for us, we did it, and Peter did it, the best in baseball and the history of any sport with Bonds.
RB: I mean, are you saying ...
BS: That's my point.
RB: Are you saying that you are spending just as much money now even though Zito was given 126 [million] as if he hadn't been?
BS: I don't know your question. You mean on total payroll?
RB: Yeah, I mean ...
[RB and BS talk over each other. BS may be saying "Our payroll ... our payroll ... it has no impact from year to year."]
RB: I can't understand how Zito could possibly have no affect on that. I mean, you spend 126 million dollars on one guy? And that doesn't at least handicap you a little bit in being able to spend the money elsewhere?
BS: [testily] I just answered the question. No, it doesn't. And it hasn't. There haven't been enough people in the pool to be interested [probably meant "interesting"] or us to have the ability to attract the player just from the baseball standpoint. The baseball team wasn't good enough. It had nothing to do with the money.
RB: I mean like an Adam Dunn ... he is bad defensively ... there's always the problem that there aren't that many good players out there. But it always like we have this conversation, and the first couple of years you don't mind, and then three of four years in it's the same thing. Is it fools' gold?
BS: Ralph, I tell you what, I don't know what you make and you don't know what I make. I'll trade spots with you right now.
RB: I tell you what ...
BS: You can get on the phone, and you call Bill Neukom. You've obviously got this thing wired. And you get the ability to be second guessed at any time. And this is a broken record. My job is an open book. Anybody that wants it can come get it. I know I can't do your job. But evidently you think you can do my job. We'll swap.
RB: I can't do your job.
BS: We'll both go on sabbatical, and we'll do a flip-flop.
RB: I'm making quite a good salary, and I figure you are probably making about four times as much as I am. Or five times as much.
BS: Don't bet on that. Don't bet on that.
RB: And I'm doing ok.
RB: But I mean the deal is ... it's always ... ad infinitem [?] I imagine ... isn't it just fools' gold? We always wonder if the pitching can get us there. We certainly had 88 wins last year. We might be able to get a few more here now. And the deal is, that is what you are paid to do. Tom and I do our job ...
BS: [voice rising in anger] The deal is, it's May. And we don't have our players on the field. You're right now. But it doesn't make you right at the end of the year.
RB: I would love to be wrong at the end of the year.
BS: We all would.
RB: But it's ... how do you ... how do you feel about what Tom said about having 3-4-5 hitters. When we looked at the 3-4-5 numbers of the teams that were in the playoffs last year, Tom and I looked at each other and said "the Giants seem to be close if you just look at the pitching but the Giants would have no punch whatsoever even if the Giants made it into the playoffs. And that's where we keep saying "if you make it into the playoffs, it's a crapshoot." I mean, that's what gets ...
BS: That's a hypothetical. He's got a good point. But you have to play the schedule, and every year's different. How could you predict what St. Louis did-win the World Series with 83 games? San Diego won a division with 82 games, and I don't remember that they had a prototypical middle of the order. So it's from year to year. I get your point. Nobody's more frustrated and taken aback by this not being improved marginally over last year, including the people we've brought in. But I can only stay positive and just keep grinding the thing out, and looking for internal improvement, like Posey in time, or with shifts in positions, including the experiment ... well not the experiment because it could end up being more of the fact ... with Huff playing left field and just going with the resources at hand until you get creative in another area. But I can only deal with what we can control day-to-day. And you are certainly right, as you go forward, that we haven't been in the playoffs since 2003. And we haven't been able to put together an offense, especially in the last year or so, that looks like the pitching can support it. [probably meant "looks like it can support the pitching."]
RB: And I appreciate that you can understand that, because you can imagine that, you know what we do ...
BS: [angry again] Why wouldn't I understand it? I've done this a long time. Why wouldn't I understand anybody's frustrations, whether it's yours or a fan's or whatever? I don't golf. I don't travel. I don't do speaking engagements. [No shit--ed.] My life is baseball. Whether that's good or bad, that's my passion. That's what I do. And a lot of things go into running an organization with this position. And not just quote the 40-man roster or the 25-man roster. I'm proud of the job we've done. I'm proud of the job and commitment that I make personally. Has it turned out the way that anybody wanted it to? Of course it hasn't. But I'm not going to be ashamed for being the General Manager of the San Francisco Giants. And I know one thing-Bill Neukom's a smart man, and if he wanted somebody else to be General Manager at the end of last year ... or next month or next week ... he's got the right to do that. And so be it.
RB: I guess, to kind of synopsize things, Brian, the nature of the problem is that it just gets tiring to hear "if we make it into the playoffs the postseason is a crapshoot." And we keep pointing out St. Louis that one year. But point out the Yankees or point out the Phillies. And the fact is that most of the teams that have the big money and have the big hitters end up doing well in the post-season. And you can point out isolated instances where that is not the case. But ...
BS: I would agree with that.
RB: Is that fair?
BS: Yes, it is. Of course it's fair.
BS: I'm not disagreeing. I just take exception ... it's a broken record ... instead of talking about things constructive, it's almost as if you can't wait for me to get on the show and then I'm going to be the whipping boy. I think after the years of service that I have given not only the organization but the community that we could be a little more insightful and talk baseball or other issues instead of grinding things. I mean ...
RB: Brian ...
BS: If it's to get my job, go ahead, call Bill tonight. Get an interview tomorrow. And maybe you could be the guy.
RB: The truth is ...
BS: [You can tell me in the?] newspaper. I don't care.
RB: Oh, come on Brian. I'm saying that if someone is making a hefty salary, they get paid to do the job and now we're starting to see that things are not going well for several years in a row. But I don't want anybody's job, and I would never try to get anybody fired. And I'm just talking about over and over and over again when you keep ... I mean, we get all this stuff about "fire Brian" ... I told Tom that we ... you just said that I grill you all the time. How many years have we been doing this and how many arguments have we had? I mean we've been doing this for ... I don't even know how many years we've been doing this ... ten, whatever, as long as you've been here ... We've had, I would say, six or seven rather heated discussions. I mean, how can you say I'm waiting to grill you. That's not true at all. In fact, we end up defending you most of the time. Maybe you need our defense, maybe you don't. But I tell Tom all the time "I'm defending Brian and I don't even know why. I like him, but I don't think he likes me and I'm still defending him. And so, I mean, I don't think it's fair to say that I'm using you as a whipping boy. If you would listen to more of the shows, you would see how much Tom and I have defended you. Sometimes ...
BS: Let me put it this way, then. All right, we're all naïve to think, in this day and age, what's at stake for a franchise, in any sport, the investment in time, and really to place you're in [?] in the city, and the money that more doesn't go into the organizational decisions than just the general manager running the organization. Those days are long since past. And so when you ask me the question "Can I take the blame; will I take the blame?" Absolutely. But in every organization from year-to-year there are a lot of factors that go into every decision. And a lot of people in the organization weigh in.
RB: Now that's a good point because obviously ...
BS: That's a helluva good point. That's the way of the world.
RB: If you had ...
BS: Including Billy Bean. There's not one general manager in any sport that can go off half-cocked and do what he wants.
RB: I mean the truth is that you can't get [just] anybody you want. You have to interact with Larry [Baer] and with Neukom, I get the impression even more so than with Magowan, who was more "give 'em whatever they want" kind of thing. Unfortunately, you're right. You're the guy who's got his head out front there because ...
BS: And that's the way it should be. I have never had a problem ... never had a problem taking my licks.
RB: But ... but we didn't
BS: Hey, how many times have I ever called back and said "why did you rail [?] me on that?" How many times has there been a story written, and ask any reporter if I've ever picked up the phone and worried about what they wrote. Everybody's got a job to do. I'm a big boy. I've done this for a while. Whether I'm good at it or bad at it at this stage of my career or my life is not important. I give everybody an honest day's work. And I can live with that.
RB: And the one thing that may be unfair, as you said, is that you're interacting with all these people and you're not making these decisions solely on your own. But the GM has his head out there in the front of the parade and that's the one that's most likely to get lopped off. I do try to take that into consideration. I mean, is it, do you think, was that a fair statement that we've had six or seven arguments like this one in ten years? I don't know, maybe we've had one a year.
BS: No, no. You know what? This isn't an argument. If you look at the face of things ...
RB: You're not going to hang up on me this time?
BS: You have every right to be ... You're a native San Franciscan, Ralph. I know you love the Giants. And I know that as you sit back as a fan-more so an impassioned fan-it's got to be incredibly frustrating to you because of how close we were and how far away we are from how close we were in the past [RB laughs ruefully] and that we have to take advantage of this window that presents itself but we haven't done it yet. I get all that. I get that.
RB: OK. We both get it. Tom, do you get it?
T: I get it. I'm all on board.
RB: All right. Real fast. Posey any time soon?
BS: I think it's possible. I'm still in a cophouse[copout? does he mean "quandary"?]. We discussed it before and after the game. I spent two days in Fresno. The kid's really improving. Uh . . . one of the things I said about triple-A baseball was misconstrued. I just don't know what to make of a .344 average and how that translates in what you see for pitching up here. You're not going to see the same pitching in triple-A inning to inning and game to game and week to week. And so, first, we have to find a place for him. Maybe now that DeRosa's out for another week. We're probably going to have Renteria out three weeks. I don't know. Maybe there's at bats and a window at first base, and that's something thats being discussed. But when we bring him here, we want to make sure he's on the field at least five days a week.
RB: If there's anything major like that, call us first, OK? [giggles]
RB: This has been the Brian Sabean show on KNBR, the Sports Leader.