Roster stuff: 25- and 40-man, Fresno, San Jose, etc
by delorean on Mar 28, 2011 12:03 PM PDT
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Hi, all. I haven't been around much this offseason. I've mostly just been rolling around naked in piles of Giants world series memorabilia and attending Cactus League games (also while rolling around naked). Just want to say that I missed you all, except those of you who are jerks.
So, what's fi'n'a happen with the 40-man? Are people like Hinshaw taking up room on there that could be better used?
Who's gonna end up in San Jose, and what's the deadline for finalizing that roster? (I selfishly hope that Ehire Adrianza stays in A ball so I get to see him more.) Why is Wendell Fairley? Do we get Zach Wheeler?
Howbout that Brandon Belt character, huh? He looks pretty good. Did anyone else even notice Chris Ray leaving? Chris Stewart is no Steve Holm, which is a good thing.
That's all.
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Sadly, Ehire wont be seen anywhere for awhile. There was a note from Baggs last week that Adrianza had torn or strained or somehow owied a ligament in his hand and would be on the DL for a month or so.
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More than that
Thanks to AZGiants, who broke the news (sorry Baggs), it’s a torn ligament in his left hand he suffered while stealing a base (by his hand hitting the base, not by getting spiked). His left hand is his glove hand.
He will miss 8-10 weeks.
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by BruteSentiment on Mar 28, 2011 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions
That really seems like it's become a problem since everyone started going headfirst all the time.
The thong is, it happened.
I didn’t think he did go in headfirst though. I’m trying to picture in my mind the 9th inning of that Dodgers game in ST (when Brown signalled Adrianza in for the win) and I thought Adrianza went into second in a regular slide but alongside the base instead of into it, and then reached out with his left hand to grab the bag.
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This'll take care of it
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by Gobroks on Mar 28, 2011 12:16 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
I saw Fairley in a spring game against the Rockies advanced A club and he looked completely fucking clueless at the plate. I think he went down on 3 pitches 2 different times. Rough day.
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by marcello on Mar 28, 2011 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
According to here, Brown, Parker, Dominguez, and Joseph will be at SJ. Tools and LTP.
A little below the comment linked above, there are a few more names: Hector Sanchez and Cavan make sense for SJ.
Wheeler and Bucardo are probably in SJ as well, right?
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I hope so re. Wheeler
I mean, he’s not going to repeat low A, so the smart money says SJ.
I saw Dominguez in that spring game too - floundered at the plate but was slick in the field - not holding out much hope for that dude.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 29, 2011 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think very highly of Dominguez either
But he should have a field day in the Cal league launching bombs. I look forward to something like a .270/.330/.550 line.
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If he hits that well I'd be surprised
And fairly pleased. Sure, he’ll be 24 and only in High-A, but that’s a pretty good line.
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Meh
Not when you consider age, level, park/league, and what will surely be a horrendous K/BB rate.
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Oh, I'm sure his peripherals will be horrible
But really, I’ll take a .900 OPS after a .782 last year. Dominguez isn’t now and won’t be a real prospect given his age-to-league issues unless he jumps to AA this year and starts next year in Fresno, but at this point I’ll take any improvement, even if it’s a shallow one.
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I’m really starting to get genuinely excited about seeing what Brown can do with the aggressive assignment. (I’m much less excited about seeing what Parker can do with it).
Also, really hoping to see a solid season from a Chuckie/Rafrod OF duo in the SALLY.
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Do you really think that Brown’s assignment to SJ is so aggressive? I mean, he is a very polished and advanced defender already, and has already shown that he has a good idea of what to do with the bat.
The Giants have typically put their top advanced college draftees in SJ over the past several years, as long as they at least go their feet wet in short-season, rookie league, or AZ Instructs ball the previous summer.
Crawford, Kieschnick, Gillaspie, Posey, and Belt, are prime examples that I can think of off the top of my head.
That’s why I won’t be surprised to see Parker in SJ too – where I predicted he’d start out when the thread was floating around last December.
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I don’t think it’s “so” aggressive; I suppose I think it’s appropriately aggressive. The examples you list are all quite correct, but I could come up with a goodly long list of college guys in the top 5 rounds who started at Augusta as well.
The 2007 Augusta team was almost entirely made up of college draftees, many of whom were taken in the first 10 picks: Snyder, McBryde, Rohlinger, Pill, and Burriss taken in the 1S round spent most of that year in Augusta after a poor first month in SJ. Other high picks to start in Augusta would include the woefully overdrafted Jax, and Chris Dominguez and Nick Liles last year.
But yeah, on the whole, I’d say the assignment reflects the perfect amount of aggressiveness.
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I don't think it's aggressive at all
Brown’s already 22, and putting him in Low-A would give him age-to-league issues that would prevent everyone from properly evaluating him. He ought to start the season in San Jose; I think most early picks (10th round or earlier) out of college should assume an A+ assignment. Looking at that 2007 Augusta team, the only one there that could possibly stay at the ML level is Rohlinger, and even then only as a backup. I’m not saying that they should have been put in SJ, but if you’ve got a player coming out of college that projects to be something other than a backup, then you should put them somewhere higher than Low-A, because they should already be polished enough to handle that assignment.
Aggressive would be AA, especially considering the hitting environment.
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Ok, so setting aside my apparently poor choice of words, I’ll go back and refocus on my main point — I’m starting to get excited to see what Brown will do this year!
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Now THIS is perfectly acceptable.
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I’m really interested to see where Dunning ends up as well. I’d love to see him in the SJ rotation.
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I think someone-Baggs perhaps
Thought that he’d be a swingman in the Augusta rotation to build up his IP
I think that Dunning might have had a chance to start in SJ, but the starting rotation is just too deep this year. With Wheeler, Kickham, Bucardo, Rosin, Valdez, Heston and Salsbury all jockeying for starts, it doesn’t leave a lot of innings for Dunning – even if he were to come out of the pen.
I’m hoping that the Giants stick him in Augusta as a starter – where he has time to get stretched out and used to going every 5th or 6th day in a low-pressure environment in a pitcher’s league. If he does as well as I think he will then they can always promote him to SJ in July or August.
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Heston and Salsbury shouldn’t be taking any starts away from anybody with potential, though I guess I won’t be suprised if they do. And Valdez really being able to put up the innings necessary for starting — that’s something I’ll believe when I see.
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I agree with you about Salsbury and Valdez, while Heston does intrigue me with his potential to be useful going forward. But, in my OP I wasn’t stating what I thought should happen, just what I predict the Giants are thinking now.
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Yeah, I’d agree with that. Interesting to note Concepcion’s starting days are over. Not particularly surprising, but interesting. That’s one less arm Dunning would have to compete with in Augusta’s rotation.
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I really, really wish that they would leave 1 of Sanchez and Joseph in Augusta to start the season. Both of those young kids need to be catching full-time (5 days a week), and they’re not going to get that by sharing the position in SJ this season. If I were choosing, I’d stick Joseph back in Augusta – he’s got a ton of things to work on at the plate and behind it. Sanchez’s main issue is focus, discipline and desire – which can best be molded in SJ, under close scrutiny of all those eyes right up the road in SF.
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I don’t mean to be self-promoting…this is actually a story provided by Joe at AZGiants, but it answers a lot of the preliminary minor league assignments to look at:
http://www.sfdugout.com/site/content.php?1367
I’d also say to check out Joe Ritzo’s twitter feed, as he did some Spring Training coverage of the expected players to be with San Jose.
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Ignore that link
Sorry, this is it.
http://www.sfdugout.com/content.php?1367
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by BruteSentiment on Mar 28, 2011 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Good stuff
Thanks!
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Thanks, Brute!
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Thanks Brute, and thanks to Joseph, too. As usual the photos are awesome (though if you’re reading, Joseph, please bring back the player name titles, especially for the minor leaguers this is an invaluable tool).
I’m very excited about Kickham being groomed as a starter! Kickham and Runzler could really improve the high end SP depth of the system.
Also, since I’m a great believer in the value of unrealistic expectations, I’m going to just go ahead and start expecting Christian to be our next Andres Torres.
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Wheeler
FWIW, it’s pretty noticeable from Joseph Pun’s photos that Wheeler’s got the ol’ inverted W motion going.
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Yeah i saw that too....
Won’t need to worry tho when he is traded for Jose Reyes in june.
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Yeah, I second your kudos to Brute and Joe Pun. I wish Joe would write more about his observations in the future. His photos are awesome, but nothing beats firsthand eyewitness scouting of these guys that very few of us have ever seen play in person.
I must say that I’m perplexed about Brute’s quote of “Rumors that Kickham may begin to be groomed into a starter role.” Kickham was always targeted to be a starter from the day he was drafted, that’s why he got the big $$$ to sign. The only reason that he was working out of the pen in the AZL at the end of last season was that they were limiting his pitch count. He had pitched so many innings during the 2010 college season, and then for his amateur summer league team in June and July, that the Giants weren’t going to tax his arm much in 2010. Besides, he said they had him throwing in the bullpen a lot to work on a couple of mechanical corrections throughout the month of August – before he made his pro debut.
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thanks, Brute.
much obliged.
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The picturesque setting of the fanpost begs the question of the gender of delorean.
With that intro to the original post, I am sure that I am not the only member who is asking the question. Of course an answer is solely voluntary as privacy still rates as an important concept.
gender: horsicorn
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by delorean on Mar 28, 2011 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I keep re-reading this, and I’m still confused.
by Dan from NM on Mar 28, 2011 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions
dude wants to see me naked
what’s so hard to understand?
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LOL
Well, I thought this was funny.
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Hinshaw and Burriss are both big black holes on the 40 man. I wish Sabes would just trade them already, and open up some room for guys like Kroom and Vogelsong.
They were both somewhat useful as insurance policies last season, but they’ve been past by on the depth charts by many others now. Right now I’d put Hinshaw behind Mota, Kroon, Edlefsen, and Loux on the reliever depth chart. I’d put Burriss behind Franchez, DeRosa, Fontenot, and Rohlinger on the 2B depth chart, and behind Tejada, DeRosa, Fontenot, Crawford, and Rohlinger on the SS depth chart.
If we need an injection of speed off the bench then Darren Ford and Tyler Graham are preferrable to Burriss IMO.
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Kroon and Vogelsong don’t need to be on the 40 man at the moment though, unless one of them makes the squad. Otherwise they can be stashed at Fresno without taking up room ont he 40 man until necessary.
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Agreed. However, both Vogelsong and Kroon are free agents if the Giants try to stash them in Fresno. They can walk away and sign with any other team that gives them a slot on the major league roster. I’d hate to lose either of those guys to another team (I could see the D=backs making a run at Kroon) because we were holding onto Hinshaw or Burriss. If the Giants put Kroon and Vogelsong on the 40 man, it makes it much more likely that they’ll take the assignment to Fresno with the idea that they’ll be the first arms up when the Giants have an injury or an ineffective reliever.
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If they’ve given up on Burriss at SS, and I think they have, I agree. I think he’d be worth having in Fresno, can’t he sneak through waivers? I don’t know who would give much other than AAA filler for him at this point.
(has a sadz that Burriss has come to this)
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by natteringnabob on Mar 29, 2011 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions
Thanks for agreeing.
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"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 29, 2011 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes, Burriss is a sunk cost now. Other prospects have passed him by and there are several younger prospects nipping at his heels (Adrianza, Culbie, Noonan, …) to push him even further down the depth charts.
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Yup
Absolutely zero power and doesn’t walk enough. Hard to play when you don’t have the eye or the stroke to keep pitchers honest. Adrianza supporters ought to be awfully concerned considering what happened with Burriss (okay, the defense is far superior and he’s more projectable, which will inevitably get him some kind of ML job, but Burriss got his chance too and look what happened).
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Although Burris’ minor league development arc was just awful — they were really making some desperate moves back then. One month failed A+ assignment, then a year of being pretty meh in Low A, and suddenly he starts the next season in AAA, only to be promoted to the majors two weeks into the season. What blind monkey was driving that bus?
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It was truly a Bocockian path
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With Adrianza out, does Noonan shift back to short? Who else is available to play the position at AA?
Baggs had a note early in the spring that Noonan was working out at SS. Although I suppose he could play 3B, too. Can Flores play SS?
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Oh yeah, Schoop. He’d be a good candidate for the Richmond SS position.
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+1
Also Juan Ciriaco (spell) – if he’s still with the Giants org.
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Belt
Anyone have any updates on Belt? Any idea if they’ll announce the 25 man roster today?
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Probably won’t announce it until Thursday (I think it has to be finalized at noon on Thursday), but the beat guys might have it Wednesday night.
Belt will be an interesting case, because certainly the impression that the beat writers are passing along is that Bochy wants him and Sabean isn’t so sure.
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Yeah, I think that they’ll wait until after the last ST game on Wednesday night, but the news will probably leak out sometime during the game. Teh official announcement will probably come early Thursday morning. They’ll officially announce Wilson’s and Ross’s 15 day disable list designations then, too.
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Sharlon Schoop
Organizational soldier now? Is he still a plus glove at short? Been around forever, but will still be turning 24.
There’s a glut of infield guys at the higher levels, but after Adrianza’s injury Crawford might be the only other true SS.
Imagine you could have a do-over with Fred Lewis, without the bad routes and melancholy. I grant you "Chris Lofton":http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lofton001chr
Yeah
Definitely not a prospect. IIRC he’s been in the system something like 7 years now? (OK, I looked it up — THIS will make his 7th year in the system.)
I guess playing minor league ball in the States beats going back to Curacao?
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Francisco Peguero
Anyone know where he’s going to end up to start the season? After that amazing ZIPs projection, I feel like i need to watch his progress more closely.
By the way, Delorean, will you come roll around naked at my house to cheer me up when the Ginats lose this season?
The thong is, it happened.
Frankie Pegs will be in Richmond to start the year. Speaking of which, how annoyed am I that the Flying Squirrels first trip up to town (Bowie) coincides with the Giants only trip to town.
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That’s where the cloning experiments that you’ve been doing in your basement will come in handy.
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Keep an eye on my son, Jake "The Jacksonville Rifle" Dunning. From SS to the mound - exclusively toeing the rubber since March 2010.
no, sorry, Goofus
but i will set up a webcam so you can watch me roll around in real time!
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AA
And I’m hoping that Peguero keeps doing well (and I am pretty high on him) but boy he has the potential to fail spectacularly next year
I've never been a believer
I’ve seen him do some crazy (good, impressive) shit, but he’s got a bad body and a questionable plate approach. His stint in AA will be very telling, and I’m not optimistic.
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