Brandon Belt and the service-time bogeyman
by Grant Brisbee on Mar 21, 2011 12:29 AM PDT
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PrintWhen I get four or five burgers for dinner every night, I ask for an extra styrofoam container for each one. You know, to put the pickles in before I throw them away. I fire up my Hummer and drive to my mailbox when it’s cold because, hey, it’s cold. That’s forty feet I won’t have to walk in the cold. I do these things to make my life easier, and I don’t feel bad about doing them because there will always be more. There’s always going to be styrofoam and a place to dump trash, and there are always going to be sweet, sweet fossil fuels to power my gigantic car. I know this because I’ve never gone to a styrofoam store that was out of stock, my trash always goes somewhere, and there’s always gas when I want it. That’s how it’s always been, and that’s how it always will be.
So maybe this unique and non-odious American perspective is dictating how I think about my baseball team. Because when I think about whether or not the Giants should keep a prospect on the major league roster, I don’t give more than a passing thought to his arbitration clock. Don’t care too much what he’ll be paid in six years. The only real concern: is he better than any of the players starting above him? I don’t think about free agency in the future because, hey, there’s always more money and prospects, right? Right?
There are shades of gray with Brandon Belt. It’s not like the Giants are running Eugenio Velez out to left every day; if last year’s Pat Burrell shows up again, the Giants are doing just swell. And if long stretches on the bench really do sap Burrell’s ability to hit -- as he thinks they did when he was a DH -- there’s not a lot of value in making Burrell a fourth outfielder. There is a sound baseball argument to make in favor of starting Belt in Fresno if you want one.
If there weren’t, though, it would be negligent to keep him in the minors to save money. That is, potentially to save money, maybe, possibly, if everything works out as it should, several years down the road. That philosophy transcends logic and prudence, moving into some weird beancounting cult territory. In 2011, the Giants will play 162 games or so. There’s a decent chance that the difference between the Giants making or not making the playoffs will be a single game. It’s ludicrous to not put the best starting lineup or rotation on the field for two months because you’re worried about saving clams several years down the road. That future team you’re so worried about might feature the Jose Castillo and latter-day Randy Winn of 2016, a group so devoid of talent that an extra $30M might not make a difference, whereas the 2011 Giants seem like a team that’s ready to defend a championship. Now, now, now. Use that talent now if you think it can help.
I have a sneaking suspicion that the Giants think the same way. They took a lot of guff -- sass, even -- for starting Buster Posey in the minors last year, possibly to save a few bucks. But that narrative never rang true to me. Why would the Giants fret about a future arbitration award that was two or three years away, and then turn right around to give a $4.5M contract to a non-Posey catcher? It’s not like the Giants gave the starting catching job to a dollar-store acquisition. They paid retail. They were just worried about Posey’s ability to pitcher-whisper and hold up for a 162-game season. I’d complain about how they were wrong, but whatever they did, a World Series win came out of it1, so I’ll shut my yap. Based on the dual Bumgarner/Posey call-up from 2009, I’d say the Giants are looking for the best 25 players they can scrounge up, future paydays be damned.
That’s the way to do it. Maybe Brandon Belt makes sense for this roster, and maybe he doesn’t. Maybe Gary Brown is ready in 2013, and maybe he isn’t. All I ask is that the starting lineup and rotation is filled with the best players in the organization. Is that so short-sighted? Why worry about the future when now is going on all now and junk? U.S.A! U.S.A.! U.S.A.!
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man those A's fans sounded real bitter in that thread
LOL THEM
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by sadison bummedgarner on Mar 21, 2011 12:32 AM PDT reply actions
The Giants built their team based on guys that shouldn’t have fallen to them but did
Posey and Lincecum should never have ended up in San Francisco. This is all the Pirates, Orioles, and Royals’ fault.
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by speckops on Mar 21, 2011 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Holy crap, there are people in this world who believe that the Giants winning the World Series = the A’s moving.
No. The A’s having an asshole owner = the A’s moving. Jesus Christ.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
According to that thread it seems the popular opinion is that the A’s gave the Giants some ‘turf’ when they were going to be moved to FL but now the Giants are refusing to reciprocate. I am pretty ignorant of this whole thing but if that is true then they have a legitimate gripe IMO.
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It still doesn’t make the first thing true. Maybe you can add “the Giants ownership being mean” to the second thing. But, come on.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not “mean” to refuse to give up something to which you have a right, or expect something in exchange.
“Cold”, maybe. “Businesslike”, sure.
It was gracious of the A’s to hand over San Jose, but it was also ill-advised.
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Uh, what?
So, since the A’s made a bad business that the Giants benefited off of, the Giants now have to do likewise?
I don’t think so, the A’s made their bed (albeit with different owners) and now they have to lie in it.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Obviously the Giants don’t have to. It is not a legitimate gripe for A’s fans to have though?
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It’s not. They should be pissed at the previous owners of the A’s for doing the deal, not at the Giants for not doing the deal.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think they should be mad at Mr. Haas. Ever.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Since the entirety of the A’s territory came out of the original Giants’ territory, no, I am not that impressed by them giving up a market that contained very few A’s fans and feel no need to cede it back.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions
In a similar vein....
I’m interested to see what will happen when the Nets move to Brooklyn. Will they really capture this huge, untapped market of ironic hoopsters from Park Slope and Williamsburg who are too lazy to take the train into Manhattan and watch the Knicks?
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
I think it’s more being willing to give up NJ for a chance at Long Island.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
I hope you are being sardonic
… and not actually suggesting that Brooklyn primarily or even significantly consists of “ironic hoopsters” from the neighborhoods you cite. Brooklyn has 2.2 million residents, of whom maybe 20 percent live in the upscale brownstone neighborhoods. It will be a big, big deal for the County of Kings to have a major sports franchise after all these years, and I’d expect the crowds to be very diverse, probably even a majority folks of color. (Brooklyn is the blackest borough of NYC by far, and I use that word b/c it’s not just African-Americans.)
I am not that impressed by them giving up a market that contained very few A’s fans and feel no need to cede it back
I’m sure it was much more appreciated when the Giants were going to be moved to FL. Not right after TGWTWS.
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I think that Santa Clara County is Giants territory, and always has been. I’m not talking about the MLB rules, I’m talking about the makeup of baseball fans in the area, which has (in my experience, at least) been heavily Giants-oriented. The A’s really gave up nothing, and again, the entirety of their territory was taken from the Giants originally.
I want to say the circumstances were shady, but I can’t remember the details… it was something to do with expansion and Kansas City.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
What was it like back around ‘73 and ’74 when the A’s were really good and the Giants weren’t?
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by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I suffered. I resented the A’s successes. Not only were they winning, but at that time the Coliseum was a nicer park to watch a game. Being a Niners/Giants household in the 70’s was not all that glorious.
When playing baseball related games, my older brother would usually be the A’s and I the Giants… and I would usually lose, so it seemed appropriate.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Fuck the A’s.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions
I like them
I want Beane to win a World Series. Because I feel like, for some moron sportstalk callers, the entire field of SABRmetrics will not be validated until the guy who was in Moneyball WINZ A RING.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
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I don't
Because for the A’s to win, it means that the Giants would have to lose….and you call yourself a fan?
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 9:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a fan who's open to the possibility that the Giants are not going to win every world series from now until eternity
So I’d like Billy to win one of the ones we don’t win.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Fuck that noise
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by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Easy there Steve-Dave
You have fallen in to the chasm.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
There is no chasm for GianPain
Just a huge mountain of sincerity!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m with you on this. I grew up a Giants fan in Oakland. I have no problem with the A’s faithful finally seeing a Championship and Beane finally getting to say something he put together won it all. I just don’t want them to win it over us. But feel free to do it against any other team. I’d be happy to root for that.
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by Prussian Creole on Mar 21, 2011 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I just don’t want them to win it over us
BUT THEY HAVE! Seriously, fuck those guys.
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by ResDog on Mar 21, 2011 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I’m just tired of their fans. I like a few of their players and have no problem with Beane and what he represents, but enough already with those sniveling fucks.
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by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m just tired of their fans.
Right—the guy with the drum, and the…um, who is the other one?
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
lol
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Good point
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by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
TEJADA
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I look forward to the trade deadline
I think the Giants will be in the market for a shortstop. I need to take a look around at some potential targets – guys with only 1-2 years left on their contracts who play on bad teams or teams with more than one option at SS. Off the top of my head, I’m thinking
Scutaro, Yunel Escobar, Hardy (wouldn’t that be funny), Jerry Hairston maybe.
Ugh. Pickins is slim.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Still wish we would have traded for Hardy
Especially considering the cost.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions
That was Jporny-bait if ever there was some.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
He's not much without Simon
but boy, can he sing!!
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May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions
WHAT IS THIS
THE HORRRORRRRRRRRRRR
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I thought that was the best of the Larsson books.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions
I was at an A’s game a few years ago (not against the Giants), and had to leave early with my 4 month old daughter. On my way out, while holding my 4 month old, an A’s fan starting screaming in my face “let’s go Oakland!!! Fuck the Giants”…and it took me a second to remember I had my Giants’ hat on. I’ve never been so angry and confused in my life. Really? Guy holding a baby gets yelled at? Lost a lot of respect for the A’s and their fans that day.
Some say that some cannot say because the Stig can make some not say what they want to say and all i want to say is i don't know what the hell i'm trying to say.
Lost a lot of respect for the A’s and their fans that day.
Not that I disagree that you should have been pissed, but it was one dude. There are asshole Giant fans too.
by The Double Deuce on Mar 21, 2011 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I went to an A's game once against the Red Sox
No less than 3 riots in the stands. Those were the one I noticed. And I have actually sat in the bleachers at Fenway with Yankee gear and gotten less crap than at As games. Those people are scary.
Three double-doubles, 2 orders of fries and a chocolate/strawberry shake.
I’d be willing to bet that those who are SABR-disinclined will be happy to acknowledge the “do more with less” strategy without acknowledging the actual content (OBP, etc.). I don’t know if even an A’s championship will do the trick.
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Or they’ll say, “They got lucky!”
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by Murray, Present on Mar 21, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
More than likely, they’ll say some variation of: “They did the little things right.”
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Manufacture runs!
"Never a doubt... never a doubt." - Aubrey Huff
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The A's won't have enough duct tape to last until the playoffs
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
.500 might win that division
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by ToddCommish on Mar 21, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that what the tarp is made of?
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
The Red Sox won a few rings with Theo.
…and the Rays have SABR-ed themselves from perennial cellar-dwellers to a top-five team in the AL.
Sure
But I’m talking more about perception than reality.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
But but but...
Ralph Barbieri would tell you that perception BECOMES reality!
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I don't, because what he's doing now has nothing to do with statistical analysis.
He stopped paying attention to numbers and common sense a long time ago.
by mrs. owlcroft on Mar 21, 2011 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Because the Giants on the street is a majority
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I like the A's.
I don’t like their fans.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
What about B's
I’m partial to C’s myself. It’s probably the best letter in the alphabet.
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"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Hey, I’m a FOB through and through!
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I remember going to San Jose Bees games at Muni Stadium with my dad when I was a kid. Does that count?
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by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
I like C's
It’s the most common grade I got throughout sckool.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
I mean
I don’t like a lot of Giants fans. Sports fans in general can be douches.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I HATE YOU TOO, GIANTPAIN!!
/runs crying from the room
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Wait
Lars cries? I thought he had his tear ducts fused permanently?
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That was the vas deferens.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Correct
Detonation can occur at any moment.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Curse those norwegian hand grenades!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
that's aimed at me, isn't it?
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I, for one
love the Fremont/San Jose A’s
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 21, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Bay A's
I think that actually has a nice ring to it.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
They should just a barnstorming team
162 road games!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Will they put a tarp over the hay loft to make the venue seem more exciting?
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions
This has them building a floating stadium right?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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McCovey Cove on steroids it sounds like. Splash hits to all fields.
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Faith is good
The handling of Buster (aka the winning of the World Series) has given me immense faith in Brian Sabean, Bruce Bochy and Co. to handle these situations. I was a Bochy/Sabean hater in years past, but they held the trophy so I’m wrong.
That being said, they will do what’s right with Belt. With all the money pouring in from tickets, merchandise and whatnot, a couple extra million to Belt in arb is now couch change. If they think he can contribute to a still-needy offense and will get regular playing time/ABs to improve while at the MLB level, then they’ll do it.
If not, they’ll keep him in Fresno for more seasoning until he’s ready to come up in late May/June and lead the Giants on a mid-season tear a la Gerald Demp.
Can’t believe I just wrote that I trust Sabean and Bochy but if that’s the price I pay for a World Series win, so be it…
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Game 1 NLDS
Games 3 & 4 NLDS (Atlanta)
Game 3 NLCS
Games 1 & 2 World Series
by 6-0in2010 on Mar 21, 2011 12:38 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
The handling of Buster (aka the winning of the World Series) has given me immense faith in Brian Sabean, Bruce Bochy and Co. to handle these situations.
They fucked that up completely. Not only did he not spend enough time in the minors to give us an extra year of arbitration, they brought him up as a 1B, when we obviously needed help at catcher. They then a month wasted his talents at 1B, only to give him the job when it looked like both might be fired. Process over result, and their process was the same bullshit Sabean mantra we’ve been seeing for years. I hope to god this guy retires so he doesn’t fuck this team up, which he will inevitably do.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Mar 21, 2011 12:55 AM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
I'm no Sabean defender but
I think they used him mainly at 1B, so he could catch bullpens on the side to at least give him some idea of what the pitchers threw, how the pitches moved etc and also to save his legs for September/October.
Secondly, I wouldn’t be surprised if he was close to either retiring or taking over as President (a la Shapiro in Cleveland) as he has reportedly been handing more responsibility over to Evans
Good.
Take your ring and retire.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Mar 21, 2011 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Nope, it’s a fairly new development. The Giants have been flying without an Assistant GM for a while now. Bobby’s been in charge of minor league personnel for the most part, getting promoted to AGM is a fairly new development.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
If I could re-word that post, I certainly would. I’d like to throw “fairly new development” in a few more times.
But yeah… It’s only been maybe the last couple years, possibly less.
I'm thinking but nothing's happening.
From sfgiants.com
Bobby Evans begins his 16th season in the Giants baseball operations department and his first year as Vice President of Baseball Operations
So yes, quite new
I don’t think it was a crime to start Posey off at 1B. Molina was obviously not the bat the Giants needed in the long run, but his only possible position was C. With Huff, we had the ability to move him to the OF and keep him in the lineup. In retrospect, clearly Posey at C, Huff at 1B and Ross in the OF was the more valuable combination and that’s how it will be as we start 2011.
And my main point is that these guys are not thinking about arb years as much as some people think. It really is couch change in the scheme of things. Do you really think Bow Tie is telling Sabean what to do with Belt and that Sabean had to veto his boss to call up Posey early and start his clock early?
I didn’t say Sabean handled that perfectly, I said he handled Posey well (case in point: ROY and WS).
Lastly, when did it ever look like both might be fired? That’s true ‘lunatic fringe’ thinking. Whether or not they may have deserved to be in years past is irrelevant…even at our lowest point of the season I head nothing about either being fired at the time or at season’s end. But maybe you have better sources…
6-0 in 2010 Giants postseason games attended
Game 1 NLDS
Games 3 & 4 NLDS (Atlanta)
Game 3 NLCS
Games 1 & 2 World Series
by 6-0in2010 on Mar 21, 2011 1:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
At the lowest point
when Bochy took out Buster for Eli to pinch run and we lost, i was hearing rumblings that Bochy could be fired.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Mar 21, 2011 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions
HAHA
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions
Important point
In retrospect, clearly Posey at C, Huff at 1B and Ross in the OF was the more valuable combination and that’s how it will be as we start 2011.
When Posey was playing all that 1B, Ross wasn’t even an option, nor was Burrell, so neither of those guys were options. With Posey catching and Huff in LF, it meant you were taking playing time away from guys like Rowand and Nate.
The only thing that REALLY pissed me off is when he’d rest Molina and have Whiteside catch instead of Posey.
The thong is, it happened.
Pretty sure this is wrong
The MLB season is 182 days or something like that. Players need to spend 172 days on the ML roster to qualify for a year of service time, which means if you bring them up 10+ days into the season, that’s effectively “season 0”. Since Posey wasn’t brought up until June, he clearly is past that threshold.
What they didn’t do was ensure that he won’t be a Super 2. In fact, I think there’s a good chance he will be. But I believe we control his rights through 2016, which effectively means seven years of team control if you count 2010 as a year.
And of course, I’ll echo Gobroks in saying that I’m not sure putting Posey at 1B to start with was a bad idea. It gave him some time to work with the pitchers when it didn’t matter so he was less likely to make mistakes when it did. Now, I wouldn’t advise that strategy if it was done to keep Molina’s bat in the lineup more than anything else, but if it was about learning pitchers I get it. Hey, maybe the month at first helped him stay fresh down the stretch too. Bottom line, it doesn’t matter, TGWTWS.
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Bottom line, it doesn’t matter, TGWTWS.
For the future it does. It tells us of what competence our FO + manager are of, and i can’t say they’re good. Hopefully they both retire. I really can’t stand Sabean, especially the Guillen signing…but oh well. TGWTWS, so we’ll forgive their incompetence until they almost fuck it up again.
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by GovernorStephCurry on Mar 21, 2011 3:30 AM PDT up reply actions
Eagerly awaiting
the list of general managers who have made no mistakes.
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by GiantMalcontent on Mar 21, 2011 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Jeezus
You’ve just been rationally told (TWICE) why your theory of Sabean f-ing it up is flawed, and yet rather than respond, you continue to act like it’s some sort of foregone conclusion that he f-ed it up.
Either defend your theory or admit you’re wrong.
The thong is, it happened.
I don't disagree that Sabean's still an iffy GM
And TBH, I’d be just as happy if he were gone. The problem is, he won a World Series. It’s really, really hard to argue against that; sure, he got lucky with a few pickups and a couple players came out of nowhere or a bottomless chasm to produce All-Star numbers, but after awhile, that becomes a suspicious argument. He got lucky with Torres AND Huff AND Burrell AND Ross AND Lopez AND… At some point that stops being luck and starts being good managing. Yes, it’s possible that it was all luck or someone else, but I don’t think it really supports the idea that they’re incompetent. Pointing to the Guillen trade as a dumb move while ignoring everything else just shows that you’re not interested in properly evaluating Sabean, you’re just looking for reasons to hate him. Attacking Bochy is even more problematic; we all saw what he did in the playoffs, and either that’s great managing or he should have been buying lottery tickets because the dude was on fire.
I would say that Sabean is a lot like Matt Cain. Cain is posting great ERAs because he’s either doing something we think most pitchers can’t do, or he’s getting really lucky. Either that luck is going to come back in a bad way, or it won’t, or it’s not luck so he’ll continue dominating. Sabean either got lucky and will continue to get lucky, or he won’t, or he’s actually not incompetent. If we can learn to appreciate Cain despite his questionable peripherals and the sample size being too small to really call him a true-talent 3.00 ERA pitcher, why can’t we do the same for Sabean? I know he earned a lot of animosity for the Bonds years, but truth be told I think that’s because he was relying too much on free agency and not operating in his wheelhouse, which is the draft and player development. He used to be a scouting director, and that’s where he should focus, because that’s where his talents lie. Don’t let go of the idea that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, but it would be okay to cut him some slack, because bottom line, it doesn’t matter, TGWTWS.
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I believe you have mischaracterized events.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Is that Warrior bitterness spilling out?
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by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
TGWTWS
your argument is, therefore, invalid.
by shaggingflyballs on Mar 21, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
this.
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Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
My best guess is if they leave him in AAA, it’s probably going to be a combination of seasoning as well as letting the pieces fall into place among the starting 8. See who’s holding up, see who isn’t, and if the wheels come off someone, see who can be moved to where so they can potentially bring up Belt.
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Ooof that photo
He looks the way I feel after 18 hours at work then coming back in 8 hours to start it all over again.
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That’s to be expected.
by Sigualicious on Mar 21, 2011 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Salary musings aside...
It obviously worked out for the Giants that Posey started the season in Fresno. Whether you like the decision or not, he came up and won the Rookie of the Year award.
Whether his tear through the bigs had to do with that extra 2 months of conditioning/preparation he got in Fresno, or because he’s pure and simple a great player can’t be measured or decided and we can talk about it for days. What is important is that last year he DID start in Fresno, and when called up – he performed.
As of now, the Giants are a well built team that can sustain themselves with their pitching and just enough offense to win 90 games, and let’s not forget that this team is extremely versatile in its position play in regards to lineups: aside from Sanchez (and for the most part, Posey and Torres) the Giants can plug any player in multiple positions.
Huff can play 1B or LF, Ross can play RF or LF, Panda can play 3B (and if really need be, 1B), Tejada can play 3B and SS, and DeRosa can play LF, RF, 3B, 2B, and SS. Posey can even play a few games at 1B to save his knees and keep his bat. In terms of bench, Burrell (if he plays like he did last year) can be valuable, as can Schierholtz, Ishikawa, Rowand, Fontenot, and Burriss/Ford/insert speedster for defensive purposes.
As it is right now, the Giants really CAN afford to have Belt start off in Fresno and see how he fares early on and then bring him up (if he’s ready) for a big push deep into the season as they did with Posey in 2010. Th Either way, I WON’T be disappointed or surprised to see him start in Fresno, but if he does make the opening day roster, at-bats will be somewhat limited because of the experience that the other players bring.
If he starts off in Fresno, he can at least play EVERYday, and say the Burrell’s or DeRosa’s struggle to retain form – he can be called up to start every day.
Either way, it’s a win-win for the Giants.
Cy Lincecain FTW
by ramin on Mar 21, 2011 1:25 AM PDT reply actions 5 recs
Thank you...
for putting it more eloquently than I can.
Bottom line is it’s a win-win. We have the potential for both back-to-back WS wins and back-to-back ROYs.
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Priceless
The team is getting off on solid footing this year and their vantage point staffing wise probably doesn’t have a dollar value, and that’s a good thing. It’s like getting caught up on your credit card debt, and having a little left over. I think the only way you go wrong from here is if you get stingy.
What else is there to do?
I agree with your Belt plan, but you can’t say they handled Posey right because he won RoY. What’s to say that if he had started the season with the big club, he wouldn’t have won it anyway, but played in 150 games?
Thing C
He won the RoY, the Giants won the WS. I’d say they handled it perfectly.
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Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
This is silly logic though
The ENTIRE reason that Posey was sent down to Fresno, or at least as we were told, was to work on defense.
That is 100% not an issue with Belt. Why everyone keeps bringing up the Posey comp is confusing to me. Posey’s bat was ready at the beginning of the 2010 season. He didn’t need the minor leagues to work on his hitting. There is no comparable to the two situations.
Also, you say the Giants can afford to do X. How do you know that? What if the Giants lose the division by one game, and Brandon Belt would have been worth one win more than Pat Burrell while he was down in the minors. You don’t KNOW if the Giants can afford to leave him down – none of us do.
What it comes down to is this; do you think that the Giants are a better team with Brandon Belt at first and Aubrey Huff in left than Aubrey Huff at first and Pat Burrell in left?
If your answer to that question is that you think they’re better with Burrell, then OK. I disagree, but fine.
If your answer is that you think Belt makes the team better, then it’s entirely possible that the Giants CAN’T afford to field anything less than their best possible team.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I agree, the comparison to Buster doesn’t hold water for exactly that reason. Still, I dunno. Everyone keeps telling me how ST doesn’t mean a thing (at least when the Giants lose or someone performs poorly other than Rowand), but they want to promote a guy based on not a whole lot of history and a few weeks of ST.
Still, I’ve seen him and he’s hella exciting. It may well be a moot point because of De Rosa.
It doesn’t strike me as the most important decision in this ST, what bothers me right now is SS and how injured Wilson is. Romo as closer is concernifying.
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Kroon looks great
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions
bad habit
sorry. I’ll work on it.
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and you left out that my boy can also play CF, as he was doing for the Marlins last year.
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 21, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions
Good post, but there's a BIG BUTT
aside from Sanchez (and for the most part, Posey and Torres) the Giants can plug any player in multiple positions.
Implying that Torres can’t be plugged into multiple postiions is simply wrong. Last season he played CF in 84 games, RF in 43 games and LF in 37 games. With apologies to Nate’s superior arm, Torres was the best outfielder on the team, no matter where he was playing and no matter who else was playing.
The thong is, it happened.
I took this as: If Torres is playing, Torres is playing CF, not that he couldn’t play elsewhere.
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I'm very, very concerned about service time
I really believe the Giants have the pieces on the field now and coming down the pipe to be competitive for the next ten years. I think that their track record with developing front-line talent over the last half-decade gives them a lot of credit, and if they can continue it to some small degree they should be able to continue competing if they get a little lucky and make some smart moves.
First, Lincecum and Cain are going to be getting expensive when Zito comes off the books. Wheeler should be ready to join the rotation around that time, and Sanchez should be on his way out, hopefully via trade. If Wheeler develops well, he’s another top-end starter to add to Cain, Tim, and MadBum, who will cost a bit more by then. We need one of Surkamp/Bucardo/other to develop into a viable 4-5 starter in two years to fill the hole Sanchez makes. I think this will happen. The offense will be lead by Posey, Belt, and whoever survives the next two years best (Neal, Culberson, Gillaspie, Noonan, Kieschnick, Crawford, etc.). By 2015, most of the team should be homegrown, with the majority of the position players on the young side and the rotation manned by largely the cast we have now.
Second, by the time the end of the decade hits, Cain will be gone as we can’t afford him and Posey and Bumgarner; Wheeler will be reasonably expensive, and the rest of the rotation will be patched together. The offense will be hitting their last few arbitration years, and so will not be cheap but won’t be paid full market value. Unless we go on a run of awesome drafts, the pipeline will be mostly dry and by 2020 the window to compete will be closed, with the last few years not necessarily being playoff teams or even posting winning records, though we will be trying to compete. After that, a few core guys stick around (Posey, Lincecum) and the 2020’s are mostly bad while we restock the system with prospects.
Because of this, what seems to me a reasonable scenario in which the Giants compete for the next decade, I think they should be very careful with what they do regarding service time. Imagine if they had called up Lincecum a month later; he would have hit arbitration for the first time coming off a relatively down season, and maybe we’ve got an extra $8M in the budget this year and $9M last year. We also see increased savings down the line, as salaries build off the starting point. We’re in a similar situation now with Belt; calling him up probably doesn’t make the team much better, and almost certainly won’t be the difference between making the playoffs and going home. I get the “win now” attitude, but it’s that attitude that has doomed teams like the Astros to years of failure instead of a moderate rebuilding period. You can’t refuse to acknowledge the fact that your team sucks and there’s nothing you can do about it, because it’s a vicious cycle. The Giants could be something special if they do the small things, like sacrifice a meaningless win this season for four three years down the road.
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by quincy0191 on Mar 21, 2011 2:41 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree in principle
but depressing post is depressing. Don’t forget that needing to find millions for all these guys in a few years means that they will be successful and HEALTHY between now and then. It would be a sad, but good, problem to have, especially if the pitchers stay healthy for 4 more years. I’m less convinced that there are other future position players in the pipeline at the moment too, so am more worried about the next 4-5 years than dynasty-building (although it would sure as hell be nice if as you say there are other home-grown starters 5 years down the road to do that building). Having the extra money also means a lot more if they use it wisely (my inner pessimist thought "extra 8 or 9 million from delaying Timmy means 8 or 9M to sign Uribe to a 5-year deal).
I definitely agree with the last paragraph: for the first time in quite a while there’s actually not a crying need for a starting 1B or LF. Another good problem to have, and no need to drive Ish or Nate away today so Belt or Huff can sit on the bench.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 6:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Have you written off Panda?
It looks more and more like he (along with Posey and Belt) can form the inexpenive and controlled heart of the order for the next few years.
The thong is, it happened.
No, I just kinda forgot about him
I think he’ll bounce back; there’s a good chance 2009 will be the best season he’ll ever have, but he should be an above-average 3B for most of his career. I do think he’ll be gone by 2015 though; we’ll put our money in Lincecum and Posey and there won’t be room for Sandoval’s $15M a year.
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DO NOT WANT CAIN GONE
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I can't stop looking at that photo...
doan worry, poplo loe he team, he wan get berry good for body to play the beisbol
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Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
I’m not worried about super two status but if we could keep him for 6 and 7/8 seasons versus 6 season which on would you choose?
Kickham where it hurts
The 1st one
To me, it seems obvious that you just send Belt down and start with Burrell in LF and Huff at 1B. If Burrell tanks, then you bring up Belt after a month (which would give us the extra year of service) and it’s done at a minimal cost. If Burrell doesn’t tank, you bring Belt up as the situation dictates.
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by marcello on Mar 21, 2011 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yup
Yup.
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 21, 2011 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Sounds good. Something else people have touched on (with DeRosa’s “new” wrist injury), is there’s a chance that he’ll be needed by opening day due to injury.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Damn
Missed that his wrist was acting up again. He’d make a really nice utility guy.
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Yup
Other than sucking in the WS, Burrell earned the starting job LF job. He freakin’ carried the team after being put in the lineup and earned brownie points for coming back so cheap.
I don’t give him an endless leash, but he’s definitely my starter.
Belt provides an excellent fall back position that doesn’t cost us anything (other than a roster spot) and could provide the offense with a shot in the arm, if needed.
The thong is, it happened.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is that the face he makes when he bitches at the umpire after striking out? Nobody does it better.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
I went to the games over the weekend, and was really confused to see him there.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Belt should be here, simply because he’s better than Pat Burrell at this stage of his career, and Sabean said Belt will stay if in his opinion it makes the Giants a better team. That being said, if Bochy has any plans for Belt immediately that don’t include him playing every day they should let him start the year at Fresno. I have no doubt that Belt will tear through AAA pitching and make it a no brainer by June.
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I really don't think we know he's better than Burrell
Even with ST, he still has an awfully short resume when it comes to professional at-bats
But otherwise I agree.
The thong is, it happened.
“Better than” is a red herring. Let’s have both. I admit I’m sorta one of the “send Belt down for a month or two” types, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going for MOAR hitting, etc. Let’s have everything we can have. Gawd, I love that the team has these “problems.”
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service time completely aside, Belt should still spend a full year at AAA
He is almost certainly not quite ready. A full year will do him good. Heck, if it were up to me I would have let him finish the year at double A. Why rush the kid? There is a small, perhaps very small but nonzero, chance that rushing him hampers his development. Don’t.
This, I wouldn’t have rushed him out of Richmond last year either. And not to compare apples and grapefruits but I’ve wondered more than once if Pablo has struggled more because he only played 44 games above A ball.
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"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 7:00 AM PDT up reply actions
I dunno, is there any evidence that being “rushed” hurts a prospect, as a rule? The sooner you can get a player to face high-level pitching, the longer he’ll have to made the necessary adjustments. Having him learn how to adjust to AA junkballers seems like a waste of everyone’s time.
With Sandoval in particular, it’s hard to see how having demolished AA rather than the majors would have helped him refine his approach in any way.
by Evan on Mar 21, 2011 7:11 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
No, I don’t know of any evidence like that. I also don’t know of evidence that skipping AA and AAA is a guarantor of major league success. And adjusting to “AA junkballers” might not, in retrospect, have been a waste of his time. Or washed up major leaguers in AAA.
And for the record compared to other recent Giants 3B greats like Jose Castillo, I didn’t really consider Pablo’s batting last year a disaster.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 7:27 AM PDT up reply actions
It was only a disaster in relation to the incredibly high standard he’d set the year before. But I don’t follow the scenario by which spending more time in the minors helps Pablo in 2010. In 2008-09, he was one of the very best hitters at any level of baseball. If he spends the time in AAA instead and hits .412/.459/.725, what changes? He’s still going to be supremely confident, still going to swing at anything, probably still going to get fat. It would just delay the day he has to make adjustments to life in the big leagues.
sure, there is
> is there any evidence that being "rushed" hurts a prospect, as a rule
Absolutely: the Bonus Baby era. I don’t have the time or the data, but I think the results were considered to be strong evidence that rushing even stellar prospects to the majors on balance hampered development.
> The sooner you can get a player to face high-level pitching, the longer he’ll have
This is true, if he is ready to face high-level pitching. If a prospect is not, then the sooner you get him to face high-level pitching, the longer he’ll spend building bad habits in his failed attempts to handle it.
> Having him learn how to adjust to AA junkballers seems like a waste of everyone’s time.
Why? It’s a skill every good hitter needs to learn. And I think junkballers are mostly in AAA, but that’s not important.
> With Sandoval in particular, it’s hard to see how having demolished AA rather than the majors would have helped
Again, why (here we really mean AAA)? The PCL has a bunch of guys who may not be quite good enough for the majors, but are older and experienced and eminently capable of throwing junk off the plate or fastballs above the shoulders. A year of facing that might very well have prepared Sandoval to avoid a 2010.
The problem for the bonus babies was that they spent all their time on the bench. That’s not going to happen to Belt, as it didn’t to Sandoval or Posey.
The rest is all speculative. Some prospects need to go one step at a time, and some prospects can be promoted aggressively because they can regroup and learn from failure. I don’t think we at home can have any idea which prospects fall into which group.
And the idea that Sandoval would be a better hitter today if he’d spent 2008-09 teeing off on minor-league pitchers rather than major-league pitchers is, to be kind, unpersuasive.
It would have been unpersuasive if I had said that, which, of course, I didn’t. Tune in next week when we’ll hear Doctor Bob say into the telephone, ’that prescription was for one codpiece, not one million oxycodone."
You actually have to be able to qualify "rushing"
Which you can only do after the fact.
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Not at all. One year per level, starting at standard position based on age an experience, is normal. Anything faster is rushed.
So, wait, should Belt actually be in AA this year in your opinion?
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No — he wasn’t super young for high A and he simply dismantled the Cal League. He had nothing left to learn and I was all about that promotion. But I would have kept him in double A for all of last year.
Does 13 games at AAA instead of AA really make much of a difference at all?
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Sure — it means instead of being returned to Fresno, right now he is getting promoted. It means he doesn’t have to fly across the country, learn entirely new parks and pitchers. It means he faces a few more double-A phenoms and fewer triple-A placeholders. Each level is distinct, and I would have wanted him to get as much double-A as possible last year.
I can’t say I really agree that that distinction is significant.
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I’m curious – how do you feel now about the way the Tigers have handled Rick Porcello?
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Because I really have to think that they’d be better off right now if they’d kept him in AA in 09 and AAA in 10 with him getting ready to make his major league debut this year.
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Since he was drafted the same year as MadBum, I don’t think it would have been crazy for him to make his debut in 09, and as a starter in 10.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
He wasn’t as good in the minors as Bumgarner was.
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What?
Are we even talking about the same thing?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
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Porcello had 125 IP in the minors.
Sure they weren’t near the numbers of MadBum’s first year, but Porcello was rated higher out of HS, and I wouldn’t just say Porcello couldn’t have rebounded well in his 2nd year in the minors.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
Uh, I don’t think I said that? I was specifically asking wcw because he seems to be a case where he would agree that Porcello was rushed.
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You were saying AA for 09, AAA for 2010, and I said it wouldn’t have been crazy to see him make an appearance in 09, and promotion in 2010, ala Bumgarner. But I do agree with you, I thought he was rushed.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
And I say that because the Tigers have been in a similar position as the Giants, as in a fringe playoff team.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
But I wasn’t talking about whether or not it was possible for him to get called up, but whether or not the Tigers have gotten the best they could out of him given the way they did promote him. He’s put up two decent years at 20 and 21, but I don’t know if, in the end, they’ve leveraged their years of control w/ him as well as they could have.
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I know, but you’re kind just playing captain hindsight. They were in game 163 (that he started right?), if they would have won that, you’d have to say it was worth promoting him. Since they didn’t, then they would have been better off keeping him off the roster, in hopes he would be a better player in 10/11/etc while being under team control.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
Completely arbitrary
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sure
If you ignore a century of teams developing prospects in the minors.
And now an appeal to authority (that is only loosely factual)
Phenomenal subthread here.
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Wait.. what? I am not appealing to any authority. I assert that there is a pretty usual and predictable pattern among major-league teams in placing and promoting prospects, that this has a long history, and that therefore it is hardly arbitatrary to come up with a definition of ‘rushed’.
Wait.. what? I am not appealing to any authority. I assert that there is a pretty usual and predictable pattern among major-league teams in placing and promoting prospects, that this has a long history, and that therefore it is hardly arbitatrary to come up with a definition of ‘rushed’.What other possible definition could there be for this concept?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Just imagine how good the Giants would be if we hadn’t rushed Timmy, Cain, Pablo, Posey, and Bumgarner.
Also, just because teams often like to promote players after a season doesn’t it make it not arbitrary, it’s just a easy/convenient way to do it.
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Matt Cain is a perfect example of not being rushed. He went from high school to rookie ball, then put in a full season at low A. He split his next season, but when you are in a hitter’s league with an 11 K/9 and a 5 SO/BB, you probably don’t have much to learn there. He then put in a full year at triple A. This is exactly how I would like to see prospects handled: put into age-appropriate levels and left there, unless they demonstrate that they have absolutely nothing left to learn. Lincecum and Posey probably fit there as well.
Sandoval and Bumgarner were rushed, and I wish Sandoval hadn’t been. Bumgarner was promoted for need, which strikes me as appropriate.
I’m not sure one can argue that there wasn’t a need for Sandoval’s bat.
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Yeah, he might have been the biggest reason they won 88 games in 09.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
Agreed but he was called up in ’08.
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Oh, you meant you didn’t like the late season promotion? I mean, he would have been pulled up either way in September, what’s the harm in the extra couple weeks?
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Eh, we ended 5 back. But we were “in this thing” for half of September which you’d have to think generated a ton of revenue. I think promoting him and winning 87 instead of 82 we would have won without him, was worth “rushing” him, even though it sure seemed like he proved he was ready for the MLB in 2009.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
Then maybe the Giants don’t win the WS in 2010?
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
No, I was just thinking of Sandoval. Say he is exactly the same true-talent player, but he has a run of bad luck and does not hit. Does the team demote him, and forever look at a true-talent major leaguer as some sort of failure? Does he start swinging at even more of everything as he presses and have his 2010 before his 2009? I don’t know. Even when it works, as in his 2009, I worry.
I’m not sure how he would have responded, luckily we won’t have to know.
Who’s to say having him play in AAA ball, where he could probably hit 380, would make him swing at even more pitches. Why take walks when he can hit anything?
I know a good result =!= a good process, but I tend to think that since he has 8.5 WAR in a little over 2 seasons, he was handled appropriately.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
He put in a half season at A
A half season at A+, a half season at AA, and a full season in AAA.
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He got hurt in low-A, that’s why he only had half a year there.
Still, that’s the ideal promotion scheme as far as I’m concerned. If a good prospect is doing well after 8-10 weeks at a level, move him up.
Instead of all this arguing about timelines, wouldn’t it make sense to simply promote prospects on a case-by-case basis? I mean, have a standard practice, but break that standard based on merit for each case.
Seems ideal. Then you aren’t worrying about rushing prospects, you’re simply letting their play determine where they should be.
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If the numbers Pablo has put up constitute struggling, then I’m fine with struggling. He killed the ball for a year and a half and even last year he was still just about average.
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There is a small, perhaps very small but nonzero, chance
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posey is qualitatively different from Belt
Posey could very well have gone #1, and did go #5. His bat was not expected to be quite as good as it is, but there was no question his was a top-tier talent. He had not raced through the entire minor leagues in a single season. And his swing had not had a recent, major adjustment, either.
Résumé items are irrelevant here. Belt was a better hitter in 2010 than Posey was in 2009. Scouts seem to love him without reservation. He almost certainly can’t be as valuable to the team as Posey was, but they’re similar as hitters.
Belt will, I think, be a better hitter than Posey. However, he is well behind the point where Posey was when Posey was called up, he does have a brand-new swing and he doesn’t have the sustained history of success. Ignoring pedigree here is like throwing out a prospect’s 2,000 minor-league plate appearances and analyzing only his rookie year. Why would you ever throw out data?
A full year in AAA seems unnecessary to me.
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Why? Unless Belt demolishes the league in such a way that he demonstrates he has nothing to learn, then a full year very likely will help.
Did you think they should have left Posey in the minors for a full season last year?
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No. See my belt != posey comment. Posey was a #5 with a stellar college resume and 150 PAs the previous year in AAA with a .390 wOBA. After another 200 PA at AA with a .430 wOBA (!!), there was no question he was ready. I would not have complained too much about his starting 2010 with the big club, though I would have worried a little.
Belt is a 3rd-round pick with a new swing who has 60 PCL plate appearances. He is not Posey.
Belt had a .419 wOBA in AAA.
If it’s mid-May and he’s doing a .400+ wOBA, would you be in favor of bringing him up?
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In 60 plate appearances while not hitting for average. I think his bat is real, but he has not shown us yet.
No. I’d like at least a couple hundred PA, and no weaknesses.
When did AAA get good pitchers?
Seriously though, lots of guys have mashed in AAA and couldn’t hit in the big leagues, if the mechanics are there and he’s going to play everyday, I think AFL stats are just as viable as AAA.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
Gah
Who cares if he hits for average. You don’t have to hit for average to be a good hitter.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
The money lies in the RBI’s
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
he's not going to have a 21% walk rate in the majors.
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That would be... Bondsian.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions
plus a .442 in AFL
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It’s the plate appearances that are important, but a weakness in average is a weakness in average. I would be only too happy to bring him up in 2012 with a great wOBA but weak contact, but to promote early, I want to see excellence in all facets.
Why are you so gung-ho to bring him up now now now? This isn’t exactly a Free-Johann situation.
I don’t want him up from the beginning – I want them to keep him down until late-May/early-June (barring injury). But I feel like if he’s continuing to hit well into June, there’s no reason to keep him down just for the sake of keeping him down a full year.
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I would bring him up if he has demonstrated beyond a doubt that he has nothing left to learn. Doing everything but hitting for average and doing it over only a couple hundred PA leave doubt in my mind.
so if he hit, say, .320/.400/.580 into June (similar but slightly worse numbers to last year), you’d be in favor of calling him up?
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it is the PCL
If he puts up the PCL equivalent (call that .330/.420/.640 or some equivalent), absolutely.
But the numbers I posted wouldn’t be enough?
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They probably would be as well, unless the weather goes all global warming and that line is only good for 35th in the league.
I guess the position you’re taking seems to imply that you don’t think Belt is going to be very good in AAA this year.
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I think he is going to be very good. But I think there is a nonzero chance he does not demolish the league, and in that event I want him to stay there a full season.
why?
If he would improve the major league team now why do you care about how long he is in the minors?
Because I see the correct criterion not as “what makes the best possible team NOW NOW NOW” but “what makes the best team, now and tomorrow.” The best team, now and tomorrow, is the one in which Belt is as ready as he reasonably can be for sustained success when the team calls him up.
Now-now-now thinking is what led the Giants to punt a first round draft pick in 2004.
but that is what i am asking. Do you really believe and or do you have any evidence to support the notion that a Belt’s development would be hurt by playing this year in the MLB? What is the rationale?
It’s exactly the same reasoning for not dumping even the most talented 17-year-old straight to the majors. The question is not whether such a thing could possibly hurt his development, the question is whether Belt has demonstrated that in his case this is no longer plausible. I do not think he has, yet.
But Belt is a 23 year old 1B, not a 17 year old Bryce Harper.
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And therein lies the judgment call, where you are on tjhe side of promotion, I think, and I on the side of caution. Capn, however, seems to think Harper can start in the majors tomorrow, since he is challenging us for any evidence that someone’s development would be hurt by playing this year in the MLB.
Well, I think there’s a difference between a 23 year old guy who hit for a .420ish wOBA over the course of a full season and a 17 year old who has a literal handful of professional ABs, all at the hitter-friendly AFL.
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I actually said:
do you have any evidence to support the notion that a Belt’s development would be hurt by playing this year in the MLB?
Please see above: I am not in the ‘would be hurt’ camp, I am in the ‘might be hurt’ party. If any player has not demonstrated the he has overmatched his level, then he might be hurt by moving up too soon.
I understand and I don’t think he would be hurt by going to AAA for a month or so. I just think that it is at least as likely that this player (not Bryce Harper or any other) is just as likely to have his development accelerated by facing MLB ptiching as opposed to MiLB. I say this not based on his AAA performance which was negligible, but on his performace in the AFL and on the opinions of those who have watched him this spring. I care not one iota about his numbers, but care that he has been hitting the ball hard and having good at bats.
As I pointed out previously, but not nearly as eloquently as Sabes, anyone who can pitch is in the big leagues, consequently no one in AAA knows how to pitch.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Service Time vs. Playing Time
I understand the “service time” argument, and it is quite relevant, but I see it as the secondary issue.
The main question for Belt is playing time. Will he be playing most everyday? Then he should be on the roster. But if he’ll be spending most games on the bench, it’s better to have him start the year in Fresno. That decision is pretty much dependent on the performance/confidence of/in Burrell/DeRosa, as they are the alternatives. If either Burrell or DeRosa look likely to have a hot start, Belt would be better served by playing in Fresno. And for all the talent we see in Belt, it’s not unlikely that he’d struggle to adjust early on. A lot of very talented prospects have had a rough start in the bigs when they’ve been rushed.
I’m inclined to let Belt start in Fresno unless Burrell or DeRosa suck. But look at it this way: isn’t it nice to have good options either way, as opposed to praying and hoping that somebody (Velez, for example) can sort of not suck?
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Yep. Service time considerations are for teams playing exclusively for the future, not for contendahs.
That said, Belt hasn’t exactly conquered AAA yet. He only had 61 pa’s there, with an alarmingly high strikeout rate. Put that together with the service time issue and the fact that there’s no clear place for him on the big league team, and I think he has to go back to Fresno for at least a month or two.
This just isn’t true. Everyone plays service time games. The Braves gamed Tommy Hanson in ’09, in a season where they won 86 games. The Rays regularly game their prospects.
Thing C
I wouldn’t call 150 K’s in a rookie season alarmingly high, especially if it came with 130 BBs, which is his 13 games worth of AAA experience extrapolated out to about a full season.
And of course, that’s a fairly ridiculous thing to do, given that it is just 2 weeks worth of games. In any event, he had 99K in 595 PA at 3 levels last year. I’m sure he’d K well over 100 times over 600 PA at the major league level. And I doubt that this would go away with more experience.
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I don’t think the strikeouts are anything to worry about long-term — just that AAA showed that there were still a few chinks in his armor.
No, they told us pretty close to absolutely nothing. It was 13 games. He got on base and he hit for power, but it was 13 games.
If he converted 4 BB to singles, he’d have a 288 BA…but again, in 13 games. Then we could talk about his cratering walk rate.
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Strikeout rate becomes a legit indicator very quickly. But whatever — point is that he doesn’t have enough of a AAA record for us to say he’s clearly ready for the majors.
You can’t seriously be arguing that 2 weeks is enough for K rate to become a legit indicator.
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He's saying
“he doesn’t have enough of a AAA record for us to say he’s clearly ready for the majors.”
and I agree
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Sure. Depends on where you set the bar for correlation, of course. 61 plate appearances is not profoundly meaningful, but it’s not non-information either.
It’s funny, I’m sort of arguing different sides of this question at different points in this thread. I don’t really care how meaningful his strikeout rate over 61 PA’s is. What bothers me is that he simply doesn’t have the AAA track record that would cause us to say, “He’s ready, no doubt about it.”
ok
“What bothers me is that he simply doesn’t have the AAA track record that would cause us to say, "He’s ready, no doubt about it."”
I agree with this. But those 61 PA are about as close to meaningless as you can get.
The fact is that he only had 61 PA there, and this was his first year in pro ball. That way outweighs anything he did over the 61 PA in AAA.
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13 games
That’s the thing. His minor league history is still so brief, they haven’t had a legit chance to fully examine his armor for chinks that need attention. I’m in favor of time in Fresno to ensure he’s as ready as possible before the call up since there isn’t a pressing need.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 7:57 AM PDT reply actions
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 7:58 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
BRASS!! NEED MORE POSEYLIKE HITTERS!
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Belt makes this team better
We could use another left-handed bat in our lineup. So he should be on the team. Simple. Projecting baseball players 6 and 7 years out (or more) is kind of dumb. Injuries, regressions, stagnation in development — so many things are LIKELY to happen to baseball players. That’s why giving out incredibly long-term contracts is almost always a bad idea, unless you’re dealing with the agent for Evan Longoria. IF Belt kills it, and IF he remains healthy, we can sign him to a contract that keeps him in San Francisco longer than 6 years. Which, if we’ve been treating him fairly (like not dumping him in AAA for BS reasons, like being cheap) he’ll be more than inclined to do. Service time only covers exclusive team control. Everyone seems to be thinking that it refers to the total time Belt will be in SF before someone else comes along and takes him away from us in the event that he’s awesome.
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I doubt a player is going to hold a grudge for having to play in AAA for 2 months before being called up to the big club, especially when there are other legitimate options on the major-league roster.
The big question to me is, all things being equal, would you rather have an extra 2 months of Brandon Belt, age 23, or his entire age 29 season PLUS an extra 5-10 million? To me, this is a no-brainer. Especially since it’s arguable whether those 2 months this year would even have any on-field impact.
Thing C
would you rather have an extra 2 months of Brandon Belt, age 23, or his entire age 29 season PLUS an extra 5-10 million?
If these are indeed the facts, thank you for giving me my opinion.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
I’m not 100% sure of the vagaries of MLB service time, but I believe it breaks down as follows:
-Call up player at least 2 weeks after start of season = delay free agency by a year (>6.5 years instead of 6 years)
-Call up player ~2 months into season = Avoid super 2 status (arbitration after second season), which means they get one fewer trip through arbitration. Cost savings vary.
Thing C
Well, ask David Price how he felt about the Rays jerking him around. But, I guess if you’re the Rays and you know you can’t offer a competitive free agent contract, it doesn’t really matter.
As for whether I’d rather have Belt now for the extra 2 months or another year when he’s 29 — now. Absolutely and without question. As I said, making decisions for your big league team based on what may happen six years down the road is insane in baseball. It’s like making plans based on Gary Brown and Zack Wheeler — it’s just not that smart. We have good reason to believe that right now he’ll make our team better when we’re poised to make a run at a championship. Who the hell knows what’s going to happen six years from now? Are we still going to have Lincecum and Cain? Posey and Sandoval? Is Belt going to be healthy at age 29? Are we going to have to trade him because all of our pitching left/got hurt? Who knows? But we have a team that can make a run right now, and that team could use a left-handed, power bat in the lineup.
And as for the extra $5-$10 million — yes, again, theoretically, that would be nice to save. But if we’re spending $10 million on Belt, it’s because he becomes one of the better firstbasemen in the league. So that’s a problem I’m more than willing to accept. Yes, we paid a bunch more money for Timmy by not waiting for him to exceed the Super-2 limit, and we’re likely to be in the same boat with Posey. But pretty much only because they’re among the best players in the game. And if we develop those kinds of players, I’m more than willing to shell out to keep them Giants.
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Bringing up Belt now is like playing 500 bucks for a 4 dollar sammich
You can do it, but why?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 8:01 AM PDT reply actions
Because it’s baller.
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by jhiat00 on Mar 21, 2011 8:03 AM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
Because food tastes better if you wait in line for 2 hours and pay too much for it! Duh.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Is everybody else buying a sammich?
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Yup
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions
It's more like paying 500 bucks for a 500 dollar sandwich
Yeah, it’s probably going to be pretty awesome.. but is it really worth it?
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by Giant Voodoo on Mar 21, 2011 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions
OT:
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This, especially if you are in a service-challenged area. Like Downtown SF.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions
I read T-moble and ATT are on the same comapible technology
Wouldn’t that mean that a t-mobile customer would at least have the same coverage and any additional ATT coverage would be gravy?
The thong is, it happened.
AT&T is buying t-mobile for exactly the coverage. They can’t build new cell towers fast enough, especially in SF, where everyone wants better cell service but no one wants the infrastructure.
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by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes, if you like your gravy translucent with lots of holes in it.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions
That’s pretty much what I was thinking. I’m forced to choose between Verizon and AT&T now. I had Verizon before but switched to T-Mobile because they were cheaper. Looks like I’ll be going back.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I heard that even if they merge, T Mobile customers won’t be able to buy an Iphone. Therefore there’s really nothing in it for them.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Meh, I don’t want one anyway.
After moving recently I’m outside of T-Mobile’s coverage and, therefore, always on roaming. I may actually be the one T-Mobile customer with something to gain here since I can lock up a contract when otherwise I would have had to choose ATT or Verizon anyway.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
You can easily jailbreak/unlock iphones to work with T-Mobile sims.
Brandon Crawford: Your SF Giants 2012 Opening Day starting SS?
As a ATT Customer I’ll say get used to “Please wait someone will be right with you”
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 8:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Rare props for AT&T
I’ve had AT&T forever (my old phone still said said Cingular), and supposedly live in an area where service is r-e-a-l bad (the Mission), and havent had problems with dropped calls.
I work from home and recently have had to do frequent, long, conference calls. I ran up a $420.00 overage two months ago. I needed to get a different plan and called them to find out what my options were. I used the 611 number and got great service, in fact the woman dismissed my overage with a series of keystrokes.
I figured this was contingent on my entering a new contract, but I wanted to go to a store to check out my hardware options. I also needed a guarantee that the new phone would work at our place in the mountains (where everyone seems to be on Vorizon).
I scored a closeout iPhone 3GS ($50.00) got a new contract, with plenty of minutes (and data).
After hearing me bitch about the huge bill, my company informed me we have a Ciscophone (VOIP) that will allow me to avoid using my minutes. I went back to AT&T and downgraded my plan minutes-wise, no problem.
In short—as if that were possible at this time—their offerings and service has been fantastic. And they helped me build and finance my ballpark.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
One thing I am considering is signing another 2 year contract with T-Mobile in November. ATT is saying they will honor all T-Mobile contracts and the lady at T-Mobile just told me they expect our phones to work when it switches over. Since T-Mobile is much cheaper I kinda want to lock that up. As long as ATT coverage isn’t horrible I think this may work.
Since nothing would switch over for 12 months, I have some time to check this out before I have to make a decision.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
T-Mobile is Deutsche Telekom right? Hard to imagine they’d want out of this very lucrative market. The sale must be some bigbux tran$action.
Playoff baseball is fun. We should do this more often.
Yep it’s Deutsche Telekom. ATT will pay $39 billion.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Trying? I thought they successfully did it.
I used to have AT&T phone service, and it was fine. I now have AT&T Internet, and it’s pretty awful. I’ve also had some pretty awful experiences with the AT&T service… not the representatives themselves, because those people don’t personally want to screw me over… but whatever it is that hangs over the heads of the AT&T service representatives. God, it’s been awful.
I also worked with a company that contracted with AT&T, and it was a fucking awful, awful, terrible, fear-based relationship. There was literally nothing but AT&T bullying us over every minor contractual squabble they could find. And by minor, I mean down to commas.
So, as a T-Mobile customer I’m not too keen on this.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:26 AM PDT up reply actions
From what I understand it still has to be ok’d by the shareholders and whatever regulatory agency oversees cellphone companies (FCC?).
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Ah, that makes sense.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Yup
The Times is expecting major issues with regulatory approval. Not that it won’t happen, but that it will take quite a while to sort out.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
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Regulatory approval will be a bitch...they'll look at each market
Verizon had to divest in a lot of markets when they bought (I think it was) All-Tel to become #2 in market share.
Since the new ATT will be #1, the Government will be even more concerned about (lack) competition in some markets
The thong is, it happened.
I commend your optimism,
but this is the federal government and the FCC you’re talking about here. OF COURSE they will approve this merger. We are in a private company era, where the public interest is viewed through that lens.
Personally, if corporations are people, then mergers should be like marriages.AT&T shouldn’t be allowed to marry another company (it already married Cingular).
by Every6thDay on Mar 21, 2011 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions
Not saying it won't happen
Just that it’ll take a while to be complete…and ATT will have to do a lot of divesting.
The thong is, it happened.
I just had to cancel my U-Verse bundle because ATT doesn’t service the area I’m moving to. It took forever to get a human. When I did, he accidentally had my service turned off same day as opposed to the date I had given him. That is not good for a working couple that has to regular log-in from home. It took me an hour to get back to that department and get it fixed. The good news is they’re giving me the last 10 days of my plan for free.
Lesson learned was that if they tell you they can’t turn service back-on after it’s been turned off, even by mistake, they’re lying or they’re misinformed. Their workaround was to create a new account number and, as bgunn notes above, employ a few key strokes to zero out the $.
The bummer is I was largely happy with U-Verse. I switched to it from Comcast because I hated Comcast. Hopefully Comcast has improved over the past few years…
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
I think misinformed is probably the accurate one. I’ve spent a lot of time on the phone with AT&T reps since moving out, and while I believe each and every one has been earnest in his or her desire to help me, I’ve been able to discern one of two problems every single time:
1) They don’t know what to do, so they forward your call to a different department, which then has to forward your call back to somebody who may or may not know what to do.
2) They have to play the call by some absurd, strict, AT&T procedural script that is, pretty much, designed to help the customer as little as possible.
My least favorite part of calling AT&T is hearing the fear in the voices of the people I end up talking to. I get the feeling that their jobs are on the line (heh, nice pun) with every phone call they take.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions
Back to the first point, though, I don’t think I’ve ever been lied to. The problems are always either lack of information, misinformation, or procedural hoops.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions
And this is all just my personal experience in the last six months with their Internet service. It’s clearly possible that I’ve had bad luck and that service on the whole is not this painful.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
You’re probably right about misinformation versus lying, but the person I spoke to back-tracked pretty quickly when I threatened escalation. (Which was bizarre since I already effectively canceled service.)
Again, I was pretty happy with the product, in general, for 3-4 years. The few times I’ve required telephone support have always been excruciating though. Twice on Friday I was transferred to different groups without being told I was being transferred. One second I’m talking, the next I’m hearing a phone ring.
2) They have to play the call by some absurd, strict, AT&T procedural script that is, pretty much, designed to help the customer as little as possible.This observation seems applicable to most phone support I need these days. Sad to say.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
I will say, I have only been an ATT mobile customer
I have heard horror stories about their internet and home phone.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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and their tv.
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Yeah,
forgot to add that in.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Don’t even know why they offer TV.
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by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
What’s wrong with their TV? I have Uverse broadband now and so have sometimes thought I might as well plunge back into the TV world.
by non sequitur on Mar 21, 2011 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions
I've had it for the last few months and haven't had any issues
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Trolls are like cockroach Nazis. Sure, you CAN try to reason with them, but they won't listen, and if you respond to them, they invade your Sudetenland.
Or something.
That metaphor got away from me.
How can you stand T-Mobile?
Worst network I have ever been on and even worse customer service. I think you should rejoice at ATT’s purchase.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Honestly, I’ve had no real problems with AT&T. More drop calls and coverage issues recently but overall, it’s okay.
I’m sure Verizon is great but the plans are much more expensive.
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On a related phone note
The new HTC Thunderbolt on Verizon’s 4G looks absolutely kick-ass. I’m probably going to buy one today so I can switch from ATT, which has terrible reception here in Pacifica.
My work phone on Verizon works great here and downtown and even on BART. I was just waiting for a 4G Droid phone and now it’s here. Woot!
The thong is, it happened.
I was just about to ask whether anyone got a Thunderbolt.
I was comparing tablets at the Verizon store on Saturday, the Xoom looks incredible, the Ipad 2 is pretty much the same, and Samsung tablet is smaller but slow
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
That will be another deciding factor, who has the cooler Android phone at the time.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I'm not a techy person
But right now the Thunderbolt is the easy call.
Super fast, backward compatable to 3G and on the superior network. As long as Iike the touchscreen, I can’t imagine not getting one.
From reviews, it sounds like it chews threw battery capacity if you’re on the network, but that’s the only complaint I’ve heard.
The thong is, it happened.
Brandon Belt to Richmond
I am a firm believer that Brandon Belt should start the year in Richmond. He’s not going to get enough PA’s to justify keeping him on the big club, and I doubt he wants to live in Fresno.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
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Plus that’s where the quality pitching is.
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Forgot about that
Thanks!
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
Still
Adrianza, Peguero and Culbie this year should be exciting. I haven’t seen him in person yet, but I’m becoming a bigger believer in Culberson and think Peguero may very well be the best position player in the Giants system. Top 3-4 at least though.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions
I saw Culby
and he was very impressive. Plus, he’s cute as a bug.
Three double-doubles, 2 orders of fries and a chocolate/strawberry shake.
How cute he is is irrelevant to me. Whether or not he’s learned to catch routine ground balls is of great importance however.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions
If Belt starts the year with the Giants, am I correct in projecting that Posey, Bum and Belt would all be free agents after 2016 under the existing CBA?
Viewed in this light, I think the service-time bogey is rather ominous.
For some reason, worrying about the year 2016 is not going to keep me up at nights.
Buster Posey: Let's enjoy him before he goes to the Yankees because he wants to win the World Series. Wait, what???
Time to haunt your dreams
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America...
America, fuck yeah….
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Belt's spring has just been 'meh'.
He’s had some nice moments (almost hitting for the cycle)… But he probably does need a bit more seasoning in the minors. See if he can legitimately show that he’s capable of being an OBP-machine with some power.
Too small a sample to know.
by AmorVincitOmnia on Mar 21, 2011 9:35 AM PDT reply actions
You know, I’d like to remove this connotation of the word “seasoning” from the lexicon. First, it makes me think of somebody shaking a salt shaker over a naked prospect every time before sprinkling him with a little cayenne powder. Nothing wrong with a dry rub, but that’s not how I like to think of my prospects.
Second, it’s not even right, is it? In a cooking analogy, the minor leagues are like cook time, right? You don’t want to bring the player up while he’s still undercooked. So seasoning him more isn’t going to help. It’s just going to make him taste funny.
Or, I guess it could be “season” as in the four seasons. Literally just meaning you want him to have more time. I guess that makes sense.
Nonetheless, the salt shaker image should be enough to make this a valuable complaint.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 9:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I second the motion
Also, Belt doesn’t need more cook time, he’s ready, let him come up while he’s hot and making loud outs.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Try thinking of it like you do with firewood.
You have to let the wood dry over a few seasons before it is ready to burn.
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by scespy12 on Mar 21, 2011 10:04 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Nobody’s going to say anything about howie’s interest in naked prospects? Ones that taste funny? No?
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by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Brandon Belt - A Giant Future is Here
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by TheCityGraphics.com on Mar 21, 2011 9:40 AM PDT reply actions
Why?
Because it has the word “graph” in it?
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions
DeRosa...
Look this is a great conversation but the I think its pretty simple..
DeRosa wrist news comes out.. Huff moves to LF. maybe its a coincidence…. but I doubt it. My guess is the Giants are going to play the DL game until they can unload Rowand or Ishy/Nate. Belt will start the season with the Giants.
The Icing on the cake is that Burrell isn’t playing well and Belt is a lefty.. Seems pretty simple to me. I think the DeRosa injury sealed the deal they just dont want to annouce the 25 man roster yet.
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by TheCityGraphics.com on Mar 21, 2011 9:45 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
Again?
How many times are you planning on posting this?
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions
I cannot tell where this image may have came from
could you shed some light?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Seriously?
I just wish there was a link or something to take me to a web page where I could view similar works. Oh well, guess we’ll just have to wonder.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Sorry for the accidental post
Sorry guys, I cant figure out how to delete my other post.
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by TheCityGraphics.com on Mar 21, 2011 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions
What other post?
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
You can post it on every thread as far as I’m concerned!
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
FART SNIFFER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
RASH TASTER
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:22 AM PDT up reply actions
BAND-AID EATER
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t feel strongly one way or the other as to whether Belt should start the season in SF or Fresno, except that we should all lower our expectations somewhat. Expecting him to be Buster Posey 2.0 straight out of the gates is a recipe for disappointment. At least Posey sat on the bench for a month in 2009, which, while being kind of a waste of time, at least allowed him to experience the big leagues without being thrown into the fire of a pennant race.
If Belt ends up starting Opening Day, he might end up pressing a bit between the adrenaline and the fact that every opponent will be gunning for the World Champions. Just a thought.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Let Brandon Belt be Brandon Belt
He isn’t the second coming of Buster Posey. There seems to be an overwhelming desire to impose the greatness of Baby Jesus onto Belt, ignoring the recent history of other minor league standouts (see Bowker, John).
Put him in Fresno, let him hit eleventy-biliion against AAA pitchers, and be our insurance against the inevitable Huff/DeRosa/Burrell injury/slump.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
Bowkermania
Is still going to run wild some day, somewhere. Believe it brother!
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions
I still believe.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
That is sad
I would actually consider buying on for the McC or BCB. How much do they cost?
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions
It says that Bowker’s costs $30 bucks now. I’m pretty sure that’s way more than I paid. I think they go as low as $10
Ask me about my blog.
Seriously
Does anyone have a picture I could use to run on their. Preferably something that says Bowkermania in it?
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Belt should start in Fresno
So he can get consistent playing time, and I want to see more than 61 PAs of success in AAA over more than 18 games. Plus our rosters is pretty well constructed right now. I want to see if we get regular season 2010 PTB.
They can always call him up later.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Why?
Everyone knows there are no good pitchers in AAA, so who cares if he’s only got 61 PA’s against them.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:08 AM PDT up reply actions
The endless repetition of this little Sabeanism as a refutation of the utility of gaining experience in AAA has gotten tiresome.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions
It’s not serious.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
I am well aware of that.
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by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Come'on Now....
That’s just the East Coast bias talking. If they hadn’t canceled the World Series in 2002 this might hold water and besides don’t you need to get back to eating your damn eggroll.
+109
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 12:46 PM PDT up reply actions
I think you and GiantTorture should duel to the pain, with the winner getting to assign Belt to the local MiLB team for the year.
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by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, they've actually done it
Giants commercials have really always been pretty bad. But some of these actually made me laugh.
SF_Giants San Francisco Giants
Which #SFGiants commercial is ur fav? http://ow.ly/4iQJ8 | http://ow.ly/4iQKi | http://ow.ly/4iQLH | http://ow.ly/4iQMJ | http://ow.ly/4iQO4
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
The confessional one (even with Tim’s stache) and the Driving Test ones are awesome.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
You don’t like Krukow getting a champagne shower? That’s my favorite thing out of all of these.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:16 AM PDT up reply actions
I liked it, but seemed like the most amateurish of them all.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
The middle three are pretty good. Confessional is the weak link.
The first and the last are fine, but more meh-ish. I can’t deal with the Bochy voiceover in the first. Otherwise I’d probably really like it.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions
Huff, Wilson, Romo, Timmy and Wilson should have been in the confessional.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions
I think Pat in the confessional is appropriate.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions
For sure. I fucked it up
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought of “Home Runs and Western Suns” at Pat’s line.
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by Murray, Present on Mar 21, 2011 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought of....
“You just got fucked by Pat Burrell” but I could see where that might be inappropriate.
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
Love the office celebration one
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Boch kind of sounds like Sam Elliott. I wonder if Sam Elliott’s dome is ginormous too?
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by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
They'll never match the commercial from the 80's
With the Crazy Crab and Frank Robinson…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Mar 21, 2011 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions
needs more
mascot bottom-slapping (although I admit the WS parade cable car holds up well against those ads)
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I loved that one!
“I told you never to touch me again!!”
by mrs. owlcroft on Mar 21, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
"Once you're inside, we're a part of you."
TWSS!
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
But SS it in a much less creepy voice.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Also, TBH the “Together We’re Giant” slogan seems kind of incomplete. Almost like they left the S on Giants off on accident.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
It should be...
Together, WE WON THE FUCKING WORLD SERIES!
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Mar 21, 2011 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm not sure why everyone keeps saying this
It makes perfect sense; they’re using giant as an adjective instead of a noun.
TWSS?
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
But in the context of the team
it sounds weird to say.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
“Once we’re inside of you, we’re apart of you.”
REALLY!?
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Mar 21, 2011 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions
a part.
apart would make that an oddly contradictory statement.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
The penis part.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually, thats how I prefer it in this case. Too gross for me, sorry.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Mar 21, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
CREEPY
The only thing it does is make you angry with rage. RAGE.
Aurilia: “Welcome to San Francisco.”
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Mar 21, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Be a brave little crab Robb!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Needs more Larry Bernandez.
"Lee pitches...Renteria hits a high drive, deep left-center field, David Murphy going back, he's on the warning track—it is...go-one!"
Yeah, I kind of like the Mariners’ commercials more. I guess I’m used to hipster ironic, even though TGWTWS and unironic sentiment is justified.
by non sequitur on Mar 21, 2011 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions
I actually really like the first one. Got goosebumps. And the driver’s test one is really good, too.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
Service Time and Super 2
Anyone know how long he’d have to be in AAA for that extra year of control? I don’t think it’s months like for Buster. I’m pretty sure I read an article about Mariners prospect Pineda that said he only needs to spend 10 days down in the minors to get that extra year, so I don’t know why the same isn’t true for Belt. 2 weeks is the least we can do to figure out how good/bad the current roster shapes up and shouldn’t be catastrophic.
The sillier argument is preventing Super 2 status for prospects – only a small percentage of players get it, and its the GOOD players – so if he qualifies, he’s probably put up more WAR value than his extra arb cash.
10 days to gain a year of team control, but Super 2 status is difficult to quantify because it is dependent on when other teams bring players up and how those players perform. Some time in late June is usually safe to avoid Super 2 status.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Late June was for Posey because he played the month in the majors the year before.
Mid to late-May should be fine for Belt, since he has no previous major league experience.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Super 2 is the top 17 percent of players, by experience, who have at least 2, but less than 3 years ML service time. Usually, it is around 2 years, 128 days, which would mean guys who come up after the 54 ML day in their first season are ok.
Mid May would probably mean Super 2. Late May, probably ok, early June is likely safe, although depending. Early June has produced Super 2 candidates before.
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"Ask Viliphied About My Penis" - Alex Lewis
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
So yeah, pretty easy argument then
Two weeks to get a full year of team control of a player is a no brainer, especially if Belt is as good as everyone thinks he’s gonna be.
Super 2 is kinda overblown, as he either isn’t gonna be good enough to be a Super 2, or he is and justifies the extra cash.
by MightySlacker on Mar 21, 2011 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions
Wilson looks like Popeye in that pic
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:11 AM PDT reply actions
Belt should spend all season in AAA
The Giants should call him on the phone once a month and ask, “Hey Brandon, do you want to play on the big club today? Yeah, I bet you do.” Then they should laugh and hang up!
Then they should change the name of the Fresno team to LOL NOT THE GIANTS and make Belt do TV commercials for them.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:23 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
As a Fresnoanite, I approve
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
As a Richmonder, I disapprove
There are no good pitchers in AAA, he should be sent back to AA.
Also, VCU, fuck yeah! Shocking the world!
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
The great thing about the VCU victory is that they didn’t Butler their way into it.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The great thing about all three of the VCU victories...
Is that they all happened. This is better than when they beat Duke a few years ago, and almost, not quite, but almost, makes me want to respond to one of those alumni letters looking for money. I think they’ve got a good shot against FSU, but after that is Kansas.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not Fresnoian?
or Fresnan?
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Mar 21, 2011 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions
I really have no clue
I just make it up as I go along.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Scouse.
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:17 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I keep telling you gais
it’s Fresbians.
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
"Hi! This is Brandon Belt for LOL NOT THE GIANTS"
“Come watch us play against the Rivercats this weekend. It’s not real baseball, but hopefully, I’ll be worthy of the San Francisco Giants one day”
/a single tear rolls down his cheek as he speaks
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions
"Together We're LOL NOT THE GIANTS"
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Mar 21, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
My bracket is officially done
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I bet anyone can fill it out now that only 16 teams are left.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
my final was Syracuse vs Pitt
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
I had VCU in the Sweet 16
But against Notre Dame, being an alumni though doesn’t quite count as much though. Other than that, it’s shot all to hell though, I was counting on too many upsets and for the Big East not to be full of fail.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions
O HAI I HAD TEXAS IN THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
Pro Tip, kids: Never, ever, ever bet on a team coached by Rick Barnes.
"I could hear the angry MCC cacophany in my head."--Oldjacket, 7/4/10
Mine still has an outside chance, if things go exactly the way I have them from this point on.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
And even then, I probably won’t win. :/
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions
My final four is still live...
I have BYU in there, so I’m not upset about Butler/Pitt…
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means" - Inigo Montoya
by ToddCommish on Mar 21, 2011 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions
How’s Obama doing?
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Not good
He basically just picked the better seed to win every game.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Looks like he’s still in pretty good shape.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
LOL conservative picks.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
by Giant Voodoo on Mar 21, 2011 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions
He has Coalition over Libya in the Mid East Region
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Semi OT: Boston and Phillies on ESPN
ESPN is collectively rubbing one out.
Honorary parent of Duane Kuiper, beloved solar powered broadcaster and power hitting coach for the Giants.
In case it has not been mentioned
LOL OLIVER PEREZ
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
so then also
LOL METS
McCovey Chronicles - The repetition is awesome. Proud Adoptive Parent of BRETT PILL.
READ MY BLOG!!!!
by sadison bummedgarner on Mar 21, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I think he is fixable
If the Giants took a flyer on him, I wouldn’t mind.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I like this part from Sand Alderson's statement
“I think it was additional evidence that from his standpoint the velocity was not there, the command was not there,”
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE INTANGIBLES AND HEART????!!!!!!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I think he's Fresno bound
Hey BB is a great prospect, but what’s he hitting this spring .265 or so? Not bad against big league pitching but I think a couple 100 ABs in Fresno will help. It’s exciting to think about him as an opening day starter at 1st but is it really a pressing need to move Huff to the outfield? I’m just sayin’.
SO YOU ARE NOT SAYING!??!?!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
SPRING NUMBERS DON'T MATTER
And making decisions based on ST numbers is ridiculous and something most of us have bitched about the Giants doing in the past. Maybe BB should start the year in AAA, but his ST numbers unless greatly skewed one way or the other shouldn’t factor in.
Brandon Belt, "HE'S GOT THE POWER!"
Proud adoptive parent of Brett Bochy, he's my boy now Bruce!
by Giant Torture on Mar 21, 2011 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Decisions, decisions
Could be worse folks.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Mar 21, 2011 10:52 AM PDT reply actions
Who the fuck is Dominic Brown?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
Some guy who on a team that lost the NLCS
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I don’t think there’s any person by that name on that team.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
There definitely isn't
I wonder who is running that account.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
Really hope it's not Domonic Brown!!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
"Out, out, Fred Lewis!" - JCTillam Gamerspeare
He must work on their promotional music.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh, Dominic Brown of the Philadelphia Phillies.
by chilibean_3 on Mar 21, 2011 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
I’ve broken my hamate bone 3 times, just from swinging a bat. It sucks but it heals pretty fast.
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Mar 21, 2011 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
LOL TIMING
“I can’t get a break”
“DOMINIC BROWN HAS BROKEN HAND”
Be careful what you wish for and all that.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
hey
I bet I know a guy who’s totally healthy (best shape of his life) who could easily go 0-13 in spring ball. He might even be under contract for two years!
[nb: this creates a sense of mystery, inviting the shopper to ask… who is this? could this player be the answer to all our problems? how can I find out more?]
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions
rain's in the forecast...
any idea what the policy is for rainouts in spring training?
split squad rain out
quadruple header. GOGOGO
They play a makeup game after the regular season and before the post-season
But only if it affects who qualifies for the post-season
The thong is, it happened.
Shift-A
Shane Victorino just got hit pretty hard in the outfield. His nose is bleeding.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
MCC: Serious thought provoking questions don’t come flying out of our sarcastic brains quite as quickly as flippant answers
by Prussian Creole on Mar 21, 2011 11:08 AM PDT reply actions
I this for real?
Butt face bleeding from the ass.
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Mar 21, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
Did Velez run into him?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
LOL, no, Ibanez
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
MCC: Serious thought provoking questions don’t come flying out of our sarcastic brains quite as quickly as flippant answers
by Prussian Creole on Mar 21, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions
I hope he’s okay. My desire to never see him play again is completely independent of his this.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions
He's fine now
But I feel the same. I NEVER wish injury on a player. I wish to beat them on the field. There’s a difference.
The San Francisco Giants: 2010 World Series Champions
MCC: Serious thought provoking questions don’t come flying out of our sarcastic brains quite as quickly as flippant answers
by Prussian Creole on Mar 21, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
If you can't beat them on the field
beat them off.
"Quiet you, I'm starting a meme." - Me
"Ask Viliphied About My Penis" - Alex Lewis
Proud papa to: Bill Schlough, Senior Vice President and Chief Information Officer, aka the IT guy.
an Aaron Rowand impersonation.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
2010 Giants: World Series Champs
Neal before Zod!
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by nostocksjustbonds on Mar 21, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I was watching the NLCS Clincher again, it is quite obvious that if Victorino trapped the fly ball between him and the fence he would have acted like it was a fly ball.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Mar 21, 2011 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I was wondering about that
The umps could have ruled it a catch if it hadn’t squirted out, and there’s no instant replay…
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I would expect that of anyone, though.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Ow.
ToddZolecki Todd Zolecki
Shane Victorino and Raul Ibanez just collided in center field, and Victorino is down.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Snap
not only is Ibanez a terrible hitter, he is trying to take out the only stable piece of their outfield.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Crisis averted
ToddZolecki Todd Zolecki
Victorino is up and ran off the field. Could be seen laughing. Looks like he might have a cut above his left eye, bloody nose.
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Good.
Player injuries just plain suck.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Victorino's either greeny-fueled or coke-fueled.
Either way, high elfin pain threshold.
by Every6thDay on Mar 21, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions
SPAM MUSUBI
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:18 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I think the Giants need to stop trying to make funny commercials.
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
/looks for Lou Seal
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
Bananas: Are they safe?
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Walker’s response was my favorite line from that whole series of commercials!
by non sequitur on Mar 21, 2011 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions
I thought Walker, Durham, and Snow were all great in those. Walker for his enthusiasm. Durham for his shock. And Snow for that “why am I doing this again?” tone in his voice.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Giants: Autumn is Coming
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:19 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
My Giants Commercial
/black screen
/low ominous note gradually getting louder…and then BAM!!!
Bill Neukom’s smiling face appears with the words “WATCH MY BASEBALL TEAM, ASSHOLES!!” superimposed.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Don’t you mean
“WATCH MY BASEBALL TEAM, BITCHES!”
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
That works as well
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Bring back Thigh Bone Girl!!!!
Most adorable thing ever. Site veterans will remember my obsession with her.
The thong is, it happened.
I thought spring was starting soon. Sure looks like winter is still in full effect.
"I don't know how the six-pack got in my hands." -P.T.F. Bat
OT: The weekend storm blew the roof off my biodiesel production plant
Check out the pics:
http://ybiofuels.livejournal.com/240622.html
Up here in Mendocino County, trees have fallen all over the place. It’s crazy. Did it get like that down in the Bay Area?
"Today I flew the most poorly dressed bad-ass that has ever entered my jet. And he borrowed my pen to do a cross word puzzle." - robotsapproach on Brian Wilson.
That sucks about the roof.
Is that a rubber roof? I did rubber and asphalt roofing for a summer once.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I don't think so.
Tarpaper on some kind of sublayer, with wood under that, then cement. Total reinforced cement structure. The area that was “peeled back” was peeled all the way to the cement!
"Today I flew the most poorly dressed bad-ass that has ever entered my jet. And he borrowed my pen to do a cross word puzzle." - robotsapproach on Brian Wilson.
Wow must have been some storm. Had any leaks inside?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
After the roof came off, place got totally soaked
Before that, everything was good
"Today I flew the most poorly dressed bad-ass that has ever entered my jet. And he borrowed my pen to do a cross word puzzle." - robotsapproach on Brian Wilson.
That sucks. From my little bit of experience it can be bad enough from just a small leak. Hopefully there isn’t too much damage.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Thanks
I don’t think anything expensive was damaged- just ceiling panels and carpet which will probably need to be ripped out. Somehow, we appear to have dodged the electronics damage bullet. Which is crazy, considering how much equipment was in that room.
"Today I flew the most poorly dressed bad-ass that has ever entered my jet. And he borrowed my pen to do a cross word puzzle." - robotsapproach on Brian Wilson.
We had someone named Mendocino Steele apply for a position at our firm recently. If I had any role in hiring I would have selected him on name alone.
by apistat on Mar 21, 2011 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We got a leak in our apartment. Lame.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
This is probably the least of the problems people are having with the rain, though.
I have just now conceived of a world in which Barry Zito is Lestat. But who is Armand?
by howtheyscored on Mar 21, 2011 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
True. I had a power outage this morning and couldn’t dry or straighten my hair. It was horrible.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions
FRIZZY FOLLICLES!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions
We’ve developed a hellacious ant problem.
Three double-doubles, 2 orders of fries and a chocolate/strawberry shake.
I think I’d rather have ants than super toxic anything. I’m gonna try cinnamon oil.
Three double-doubles, 2 orders of fries and a chocolate/strawberry shake.
FORMICIDAE FREQUENTOR!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions
You have NO idea.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Howling wind for me, but the rain kept the sand from flying.
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I’d say “meh”. It was windy and rained like heck but we’ve definitely seen/had worse.
[NOTE TO THOR AND OTHER WEATHER-RELATED GODS: THIS IS NOT A REQUEST FOR WORSE]
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions
Players only get two sets of complete unis?
http://rotoauthority.blogs.com/files/mlb-contract.pdf
They might be Giants...but they are definitely WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS.
"And what was once torture for an entire city became a magical ride into an Orange October."
OT: Just got a cortisone shot from one of the SF Giants' team ortho surgeons
I feel like a real ball player!
(And wow – they’re kinda like magic.)
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
Maybe I should have! Mole flavored!
It looks like I get an MRI, too. Never had one before. It sounds very boring (aside from one of the screening questions: Have you ever done any welding?).
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Mole flavored!
Ew
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions
The screener referred specifically to having small bits of metal in my eyes or elsewhere. Ew.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I guess that’s one way to get them out.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Stay away from Magneto!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
by Alex_Lewis on Mar 21, 2011 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
MRIs are boring
But I know some ortho residents at St. Mary’s. One of them gave Roy Halladay a cortisone shot. In the gluteal.
In the end, America will be remembered for three things: the Bill of Rights, jazz, and baseball.
Proud parent of Javier Lopez: southpaw, poltergeist, haunter of dreams.
HAWT
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Seriously, what the hell am I supposed to do for 45 minutes while I’m stuck in a tube? I don’t think I’m claustrophobic, but I wonder if I will suddenly become claustrophobic after 30 minutes.
And boy, do I hope my knee surgeons got all the bits of that broken screw out of my knee.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
I am claustrophobic, and while I was in the tube my back was spasming wildly because I had to lay in a position that caused spasms… not my favorite 45 minutes overall. At least they piped music of my choice in the room.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Bah. My back has been acting up lately, too.
This is gonna be fun.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
At the time I had just ruptured two discs and could barely walk, so I’m hopeful yours will be a better experience.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
That is an excellent question… but I don’t remember.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions
A parable
One of my colleagues tells a story of advice he got from his mentor on leaving to start his first independent job. It went something like this:
At times, you are going to feel like you are uncontrollably speeding toward a cliff. You will have a strong desire to put your foot on the brakes. Don’t! Instead, gun it and know that if you are doing well, someone will build you a bridge.
Sammy Hagar says he was abducted by Aliens
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 11:49 AM PDT reply actions
I thought maybe he was an alien.
I USED TO NOT BELIEVE YOU
I tweet (more often than I blarg).
by can of corn on Mar 21, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions
Oh dear...
Just found out a girl I went to school with is engaged to Mat(t) Latos. I guess he visited my hometown and went to my friend’s bar. I’m glad I wasn’t there, as I could see my friends and I drunkenly devising a plan similar to that hatched in Celtic Pride.
Anyways. my poor town had to spend precious budget dollars power washing the slimy trail of smug and suck he left behind. What a dick.
Gross.
"Career potential: situational lefty." Situation: Ragnarok, bases loaded, Odin at the plate. You know who's getting the call.
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
OT: Is it time to retire the phrase "meltdown"
It has become a pretty ubiquitous way to describe a tantrum or some other psychic turbulence. Maybe we should return to "she blew a gasket". I really used to like "she had an o-ring faliure", but it seemed too soon. Any other ideas?
I understand the thought
but I think it’s a little too PC (even for a Berkeley hippie like me).
There was a discussion on the radio a few weeks back about how people were “misusing” military terms (i.e. Lebron’s tweet about “going to war with his soldiers”). Again, I understand that the US is in two wars but use of such terms (i.e. bomb, trenches, going to war, hand to hand combat) are so commonplace that no one equate such uses with actual war.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
3 wars.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
2 wars and a “no fly zone”…I mean the French won’t screw it up right?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
The no fly zone necessitated bombing so I consider is a war. Of course so do the drone strikes in Pakistan so maybe by my definition it would be 4.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
War on Poverty = 6
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It would be cool if video games gave WAR as a stat. I wonder what the WAR was with the numbers I put up with John Dowd.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
That’s an interesting point. I wonder if and when video games will ever contain sabermetrics stats instead or in connection with traditional stats.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Brian Lawrence
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
The High Heat series integrated some of them towards the end of that series’ run. I know Baseball Mogul’s a sim but it has saber stats, too.
by Every6thDay on Mar 21, 2011 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions
rec'd
for mentioning High Heat! GET OFF UR HANDZ MICROSOFT AND BRING BACK HIGH HEAT
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Anyone play Hardball? There was a couple of years where I played the shit out of one of those games.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I had fun with that too. I remember the excitement when they started using real players’ names!
May 29, 2010: Steven Revetria becomes Giants General Manager. The rest is history.
"118 elements, and still no stanfurdium"- carp, paraphrased
"I stick to my strengths as opposed to going after everyone’s weaknesses. If you can hit it, come hit it."- Tim Lincecum
by natteringnabob on Mar 21, 2011 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions
My buddy and I got so into it that we both chose a team and played the entire 162 game season. I picked the Giants and he picked the Blue Jays (defending champs) like the cheating bastard that he is. At the end of the year I destroyed him in the WS. It was fun.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Yemen
Mindanao
Mind you, I enjoy all these things.
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, the combat metaphor is way too deep in language to fret about it.
Cede, win, gain ground, rout, no holds barred, defend, dealt a blow, etc.
"Never a doubt... never a doubt." - Aubrey Huff
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
I thought no holds barred was wrasslin’.
Dad of Ryan Rohlinger: world champion.
by shanghaijim on Mar 21, 2011 12:23 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Mets paying people to leave
Whats everyones opinion of this? In the ESPN article all the mets fans are flipping out about it. Personally, I think as the roster gains depth each spot becomes worth more money. I’d kiss Nuk’um if he dropped rowand(obviously I would prefer trade with relief). I think in the long run this is a good thing for baseball. Might start seeing contract years start coming down. I dunno..
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6242549
To tie it to this article
I dont think there is any question that Belt is better than Rowand. I guess my point is.. Is belt on the roster a better option than paying Rowand to sit on it.
B-elt
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Mar 21, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
BRANDIZZLE BELT-A-POLOOZA!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
that is probably how it plays out… we could go round and round about who do you keep Ishy or Rowand.. its been done and still is done.
My point is that Belt is probably better than both of them.. and roster spots are at a premium. if rowand is untradable and Ishy has any kind of value.. would it really be that horrible to boot Rowand?
If you keep Ishi and Rowand
along with Nate, that’s a lot of LH bats on the bench.
The thong is, it happened.
If Brandon Belt and Grant run full speed at each other and collide, the result would be Brant
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Mar 21, 2011 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions
Grant Beelzebub
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
GoBrants?
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Mar 21, 2011 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
No
DeRosa coming off the DL would be at Ishi’s expense. If you want Belt, too, you have to get rid of someone else.
12 pitchers means 13 position player spots.
Torres/Sanchez/Huff/Posey/Ross/Burrell/Tejada/Sandoval/Whiteside are locks. That’s 9.
So you have 4 slots left to split between
Fontenot / DeRosa / Belt / Rowand / Ishikawa / Schierholtz
Gigante. Campeón. Andrés Torres.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
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