MCC Community Prospect List 2011
by marcello on Feb 28, 2011 10:22 AM PST
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Print1. Brandon Belt
2. Zack Wheeler
3. Thomas Neal
4. Gary Brown
5. Francisco Peguero
6. Brandon Crawford
7. Charlie Culberson
8. Chuckie Jones
9. Ehire Adrianza
10. Jose Casilla
11. Jorge Bucardo
12. Tommy Joseph
13. Eric Surkamp
14. Mike Kickham
15. Jarrett Parker
16. Hector Sanchez
17. Heath Hembree
18. Roger Kieschnick
19. Conor Gillaspie
20. Rafael Rodriguez
21. Seth Rosin
22. Jason Stoffel
23. Nick Noonan
24. Michael Main
T25. Brock Bond
T25. Jake Dunning
27. Chris Dominguez
28. Ryan Verdugo
29. Reinier Roibal
30. Clayton Tanner
31. Juan Perez
32. Johnny Monell
33. Darren Ford
34. Ryan Cavan
35. Dan Burkhart
36. Matt Graham
T37. Jacob Dunnington
T37. Carlos Willoughby
39. Steve Edlefsen
40. Kendry Flores
41. Edwin Escobar
42. David Quinowski
43. Carter Jurica
T44. Brandon Allen
T44. Sundrendy Windster
Well, we did it. We really did it. I'll try to keep this brief, unlike [insert Actor's Name here] last night, amirite? As usual, it was an incredibly informative and fun process. Some topics:
- Who is the most overrated or going to fall the most on next years list?
- Who is the most underrated or who is your biggest sleeper?
- What would your prospect list look like (go as far as you like 10, 20, 100)?
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Thanks marcello
Didn’t get a chance to say this in the #44 thread, but thanks for all your hard work on this project.
As far as sleeper, I’ll go back to my really irrational and probably misguided love of Ryan Cavan. A second baseman with some power could really shoot up this list in a hurry, methinks.
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He plays horrible D, though. What is it with all of the Giants’ IF prospects? They either play great D but have no bat, or have a promising bat but no glove or range.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
In the Culberson model, perhaps? I wasn’t aware he was that bad on defense.
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by free f.p. #14 on Feb 28, 2011 10:53 AM PST up reply actions
He improved last year, but his range at 2B is less than desired, and his glove is still very clanky.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Agreed on Cavan
I think he’s pretty underrated on this list as well.
Juan "Doesn't Cheat The Game" Perez, future CF for the World Champion San Francisco Giants.
My 2 cents
1. Most Overrated: Tommy Joseph and RafRod (tie)
>>>>> The only reason that Frankie Pegs doesn’t head this list is that the system is so thin at the top that I find it hard to say that he’s vastly overrated – but I do think that he is the likeliest top prospect to break a lot of hearts in the future.
2. Most Underrated: Mike Kickham, Heath Hembree, & Seth Rosin (tie)
>>>>> Jacob Dunnington and Ryan Verdugo come in a close second. Zack Wheeler was ranked at #2, so I can’t really say that he’s underrated, but I do believe that way too many people on the MCC don’t realize just how good that he is – and will be.
3. Biggest Jumpers: I think that Brandon Allen and Caleb Hougesen will be the guys that will jump the most positions on next year’s list.
4. Biggest Fallers: RafRod – I think he won’t even be in the top 44 next year. I also think that Ehire Adrianza will fall a lot due to horrible offensive output in Richmond, a problem that Frankie Pegs will run into also, but to a lesser extent.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
FWIW
John Sickels tagged Jake Dunning and Kendry Flores as 2011 sleepers a few days ago.
Also, not sure how I didn’t notice this before, but we have prospects named Jake Dunning and Jacob Dunnington? How annoying is that? I’m pretty sure I just assumed they were the same person.
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by free f.p. #14 on Feb 28, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
I like both Dunning and Flores as sleepers too. I almost put both in my Most Underrated and Biggest Jumpers lists, but they fell just out of the running.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
1. Most Overrated – Jose Casilla, Rafael Rodriguez & Michael Main.
2. Most Underrated (besides Thomas Neal) – Jason Stoffel. He needs to be higher. Also, Ryan Cavan (and I see I’m not the only one who thinks so.)
3. 2011 Breakout player will be – Chris Dominguez is going to vault himself up the prospect list in 2012.
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
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by nostocksjustbonds on Feb 28, 2011 11:16 AM PST reply actions
1) Culberson
2) Chuckie Jones just wait
3) I’ll pass
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by say hey nation on Feb 28, 2011 11:33 AM PST reply actions
Marcello, from someone who didn’t participate and yet is glad for the existence of these community projection threads, thank you.
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by Johnny Disaster on Feb 28, 2011 11:42 AM PST reply actions
Overrated: Brown, Culberson, Jones, Main, Bond, Windster
Underrated: Adrianza, Parker, Monell
Risers: Dunning, Escobar, Probably Jurica, one of Aaron King or Matt Graham, and Parker
Fallers: Culberson, Jones, Kieschnick, Gillaspie, Dominguez
I almost picked Monell as underrated as well.
I certainly hope Jurica rises, but man am I low on him. What a dreadful year he had last year.
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by free f.p. #14 on Feb 28, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
And my top 60
1-Brandon Belt-1B
2-Zack Wheeler-RHP
3-Francisco Peguero-OF
4-Thomas Neal-OF
5-Jarrett Parker-OF
6-Ehire Adrianza-SS
7-Gary Brown-OF
8-Brandon Crawford-SS
9-Eric Surkamp-LHP
10-Jorge Bucardo-RHP
11-Tommy Joseph-C
12-Jose Casilla-RHP
13-Charlie Culberson-2B
14-Conor Gillaspie-3B
15-Hector Sanchez-C
16-Seth Rosin-RHP
17-Chuckie Jones-OF
18-Jason Stoffel-RHP
19-Roger Kieschnick-OF
20-Mike Kickham-LHP
21-Jake Dunning-RHP
22-Rafeal Rodriguez-OF
23-Heath Hembree-RHP
24-Nick Noonan-2B
25-Johnny Monell-C
26-Ryan Verdugo-LHP
27-Chris Dominguez-3B
28-Juan Perez-OF
29-Ryan Cavan-2B
30-Clayton Tanner-LHP
31-Michael Main-RHP
32-Carlos Willoughby-2B
33-Dan Burkhart-C
34-Edwin Escobar-LHP
35-Reinier Roibal-RHP
36-Jacob Dunnington-RHP
37-Ydwin Villegas-SS
38-Kendry Flores-RHP
39-Ryan Rohlinger-INF
40-Steve Edlefsen-RHP
41-Brock Bond-2B
42-Craig Westcott-RHP
43-Leonardo Fuentes-OF
44-Brandon Allen-RHP
45-Darren Ford-OF
46-Carter Jurica-SS
47-Hector Correa-RHP
48-Chris Lofton-OF
49-Marvin Barrios-RHP
50-Joe Staley-C
51-Matt Graham-RHP
52-Julio Izturis-2B
53-Brett Bochy-RHP
54-Stephen Harrold-RHP
55-Caleb Hougesen-3B
56-Austin Fleet-RHP
57-Ryan Bean-RHP
58-Aaron King-LHP
59-Jose Valdez-RHP
60-Brett Krill-OF
Care to enlighten on why you’re so high on Jarrett Parker?
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by Giant Torture on Feb 28, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Parker has been bred for a high THC content.
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by Johnny Disaster on Feb 28, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
He’s got good speed and good defense, a solid arm that can play at a corner and power potential. His swing does have major holes and strikeouts are a problem, but I see him having 20/20 potential
Parker's D is beyond "good"
I’m not at all as high on Parker as you are, but I think that you’re selling Parker’s D way too short. He already plays well above-average D in CF, with legit gold glove potential. I would put his D only a little under Brown’s. IMO, if Parker makes it in the majors it will be as a CF. Sure, he has the arm to play RF, but he would always be much more valuable as a CF. Just like Posey’s bat gives the Giants such an advantage over the vast majority of catchers, if Parker’s bat reaches its potential then he will be a huge improvement over the average CF. And, just as in Posey’s case, the Giants won’t be sacrificing anything on the defensive side of the ledger by putting the bat in the lineup.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Gobroks has always, and consistently, liked Parker. If memory serves, he even posted that he would have taken Parker over Brown at #24.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yeah, I wouldn't have taken either at 24 but I had Parker as the better prospect
by Gobroks on Feb 28, 2011 3:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, that’s what I meant to imply, but I should have been more clear about it. Weren’t you jumping up and down over Castellanos (the high school 3B) when he fell to us at #24?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Yeah I wanted him at the time, though now I think I may have overrated him
Now I wish we had a taken a different HS 3B prospect-Garin Cecchini
I agreed with you then and I disagree with you now. I really wish Castellanos had been the pick. I like his bat potential.
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..and I still want Cecchini.
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—Rogers Hornsby
He’ll be available in a trade beginning in the middle of June. Do you think the Sawx will take Gary Brown or Jarrett Parker straight up for him? What about Chuckie Jones?
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I’m a little surprised Jose Flores didn’t get any attention for the list. I guess he would be my sleeper pick, he can probably handle AA better the Peguero or Culberson, of couse I think he’s a couple years older.
Anybody know anything about Flores’s defense?
THIS
who wants to enlighten me on why in the world Jose Flores didn’t make the list? .331/.381/.457 as a 22 year old in high-A? That’s not terribly old for that league and that’s a more than respectable batting line.
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by free f.p. #14 on Feb 28, 2011 2:44 PM PST up reply actions
No track record of excellence
I’ve read in a couple of places that his D is average, at best. Add that to the fact that he turned 23 in the middle of the season last year, and that he never put up an OPS above .779 in his previous 4 pro seasons, and you get a prospect that it’s hard to get too excited about. Hitting .331 while OPS’ing only .838 is just not that much of an eye-opener for a 22/23 year old corner IF/OF in the Cal League. Especially one that is in his 5th pro season.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
alright
That makes some sense, but we couldn’t even vote him in the 44th spot ahead of a guy that’s entering his 5th pro season, is 22, and plays first base? He’s got to be a better prospect than Windster right?
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by free f.p. #14 on Feb 28, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
just the name Jose Flores sounds like a generic minor league utility player
Note the lack of a hyphen.
In my defense, I never came close to voting for Windster, and didn’t even consider him for my top 50. I don’t know enough about Flores to really be a good judge, but I believe that Sundrendy might be a tiny bit of a better prospect based on age and athleticism.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
Flores
Has always been a solid, under the radar kind of guy with people blocking him from playing time. I was talking with my adopted son J. Luster the other day and we were both pleased with the fact the Jose had made good on some playing time last year. I don’t think he’ll ever be a superstar but he is one of those guys that is not flashy, just solid.
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Need Luster info
he was a decent prospect for a while
former adoptive papa of "Geno" Eugenio Velez, Antoan Richardson, and Adam Wittler--
by foothillsfan on Mar 1, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, he’s Upton’s cousin. He’s not currently playing organized baseball.
He’s doing a lot of youth coaching, he has 2 traveling teams with one being 10u and the other 11u. He is also assistant coaching with Black Jack McDowell at the high school level and when he has time he’s teaching baseball through a youth program.
He did tell me that he was getting the fire to play again and I hope he does. He has a great arm and good speed, still not sure why he was cut at the beginning of the short season a couple years back but so goes pro baseball.
Overall he’s a pretty happy guy.
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oh, and tweeting up a storm.
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Most Overrated: Neal, probably about 4 to 5 slots too high, and Casilla also about 4 or 5 slots too high.
Most Underrated: Adrianza, I have him at #4 or #5, but most definitely higher than Crawford.
My List Top Ten
1. Belt
2. Wheeler
3. Gary Brown
4. Francisco Peguero
5. Ehire Adrianza
6. Eric Surkamp
7. Jorge Bucardo
8. Thomas Neal
9. Charlie Culberson
10. Brandon Crawford
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Looks like a good list
Overrated: Culberson, Jones, and Bond
If Culberson wasn’t a former first rounder, I would consider his season just OK. Looking at how Neal and company did going from A+ to AA, Culberson’s numbers don’t translate well. Put him behind Gillaspie but ahead of Noonan.
Chuckie is interesting, but he might be overmatched like Joseph in Augusta. Would put him between Parker and Kieschnick.
Bond will probably get squeezed out of any big league chance by Burris/Rohlinger in front and the rush of young guys behind him. Don’t see him in the top 40.
Underrated: Rosin, GIllaspie and Escobar
Rosin throws strikes and has some velocity, so he should do well and get closer to the top 15.
Gillaspie had his best year in a tough environment, and if his walks return he could have a nice year in Fresno. Probably will have to move around the infield or another team.
Don’t see why Escobar is much lower than guys like Verdugo/Graham and Edlefsen/Tanner. He’s a good mix of youth, K’s, and lefthandedness. Would put him closer to Main in the late 20’s.
Note the lack of a hyphen.
Guess since this is official my signature needs to change…Last year was much more impressive.
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Go Roger Kieschnick! #4 Giants Prospect for 2010. (#18 for 2011) And son, please continue to break scoreboards on your way to San Francisco.
As long as there’s no ill effects from the back injury, I believe that Kieschy will bounce back with the bat big time once he makes it to Fresno. I still doubt that he’ll ever be more than a Schierholtz-type 4th/5th OF in the majors – at best.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
I'll keep hope.
The one HR I saw him hit in SJ was impressive and he seemed to have good defense in RF.
Also he’s good at hitting lefties in Baseball Mogul so he always seems to find his way onto my teams starting in years he’s a prospect.
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Why do you think they’d send him to Fresno. The best thing you could say about his time in AA was that he missed most of it. Why skip that level of development (and send him to a league where you can launch 25 HRs pretty easily and still have a bad year)?
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I’m not predicting that he starts the season in Fresno, just that he’ll get there sometime in the next 13 months. The main reason that I could see for them promoting Kieschy right away is that RF in Richmond is going to be crowded with Peguero and JCP sure to be starting the season there. The Giants like to challenge their top prospects, and Kieschy is old enough for them to think that he could handle the jump to AAA.
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Henry Sosa
Noticed he wasn’t on the list, which is interesting. I know he’s battled injuries and didn’t have the greatest season last year in AAA, but he’s still on the roster and young enough to still have prospect status. Did we all just overlook him, or was his season so awful that he should fall from top 20 to off the list completely.
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by crazedcrustacean on Feb 28, 2011 8:33 PM PST reply actions
I'd say injuries have completely derailed his career, at this point
But he might have been overlooked, I know I did.
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my list and 2 cents
1. Belt I expect him starting at 1b in AAA
2. Wheeler SP A+
3. Neal LF AAA
4. Peguero RF AA
5. Brown CF A+
6. Crawford SS AAA
7. Adrianza SS A+
8. Parker CF A
9. Joseph C/1B A+
10. Bucardo SP A+
11. Surkamp SP AA
12. Casilla RP AA
13. Culberson 2B AA
14. Jones RF A
15. Rodriguez LF A
16. Gilaspie 3B AAA
17. Hembree SP A+
18. Rosin SP A+
19. Kickham SP A
20. Monell C AA
21. Edelfsen RP AAA
22. Kieschnick RF AAA
23. Noonan SS AA
24. Graham SP A
25. Stoffel RP AA
26. Dominguez 3B A_
27. Cavan 2B A+
28. Sanchez C/DH A+
29. Tanner SP AAA
30. Jurica SS A+
Most overrated: Brock Bond
Most underrated: Jarrett Parker
Bigget Sleeper: Matt Graham
Guy I rated too low: Hector Sanchez
by krukkuipandclint on Feb 28, 2011 8:42 PM PST reply actions
Top 30 (subject to minute-by-minute whims and poor reasoning)
1. Brandon Belt
2. Zack Wheeler
3. Thomas Neal
4. Gary Brown
5. Jorge Bucardo
6. Francisco Peguero
7. Eric Surkamp
8. Brandon Crawford
9. Mike Kickham
10. Hector Sanchez
11. Ehire Adrianza
12. Tommy Joseph
13. Seth Rosin
14. Jarrett Parker
15. Jason Stoffel
16. Heath Hembree
17. Chuckie Jones
18. Charlie Culberson
19. Jose Casilla
20. Brock Bond
21. Conor Gillaspie
22. Roger Kieschnick
23. Ryan Cavan
24. Juan Perez
25. Michael Main
26. Nick Noonan
27. Johnny Monell
28. Clayton Tanner
29. Kendry Flores
30. Jake Dunning
Most underrated: Bucardo, Stoffel, Cavan, Rosin
Most overrated: Dominguez, Culberson, Jones, Rodriguez, Casilla
Biggest sleepers: Cavan, Graham
OBP fetish: Bond
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Francisco Peguero
I’m really looking forward to watching his development as he ascends to the higher levels of minor league ball. Andres Torres-esque VROOOM with a much better arm.
He has a fantastic batting average thus far in low-A ball, but like any other prospect I expect it to taper off as he faces stiffer competition, but perhaps more so because of his low BB percentage. However, I get chills thinking about what could happen if he learns to work more counts and be more selective at the plate as he sees less hittable pitches. He seems like a natural hitter in the essence of Pablo Sandoval (but probably less so, in my estimation), so it’s possible his bad tendencies might not hurt him too greatly until AAA or maybe even the majors. I expect him to regress a little bit if/when pitchers begin to take advantage of him, but it’s one of those things that’s coachable with a few adjustments. With those adjustments there’s no reason he can’t be a high BA/OBP leadoff hitter who could run into 10-15 fastballs for a little pop.
Andres Torres with more upside and ten years younger? /drool
by JSing on Mar 1, 2011 2:53 AM PST via mobile reply actions
Doesn’t seem like Peguero is as good as Torres defensively; he likely does have a better arm, but Torres has crazy range and that’s better. As far as OBP, don’t hold your breath. Peguero is going to live and die by BABIP, though he’ll hit enough homers to stay viable, assuming he develops properly of course. Torres has very good power, though, and he’s a pretty good AVG/OBP hitter. If Peguero can get close to Torres’ 2010 on a consistent basis he’ll be an All-Star quality player; not sure I’d project that quite yet.
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I just don’t think that Pegs will “hit enough homer to stay viable.” I think the power that he displayed in 2010 will be seen to be a Cal League mirage – as so often happens.
"There ain’t much to being a ballplayer, if you’re a ballplayer." - Honus Wagner
From a CF, 10 homers a year is viable. But for any player, fewer than 10 homers means not enough power to keep pitchers honest, and since Peguero doesn’t seem too taken with walking, if he can’t manage that power output then he has no future other than as a speedy 5th OF, which deserves no place in the top 10 even for a thin system like this. I am no Peguero booster, as I think the walk rate will be his undoing in Richmond, but I do think he has at least 10 bombs a year in him if he makes it to the show as a full-time player.
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Right
I don’t know if I was necessarily projecting him to be Andres Torres, rather I was making the comparison to what he could be if he developed some semblance of discipline at the plate. My post was written with a great deal of optimism, of course.
by JSing on Mar 2, 2011 12:02 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Overrated: I don’t think we had as terrible overslots as we’ve had in the past, in part because the system’s really not as strong so a lot of these guys are pretty closely grouped. That said, I expect Crawford to have a Cody Ransom type career so he’s probably too high. Casilla is starting to get old for his competition and his peripherals in Low A really weren’t as impressive as previous years for a short reliever. And Chuckie Jones is 10 spaces too high, though paradoxically I’d also predict him to be one of this years high climbers, so he’s probably where I think he will be next year.
Underrated: Joseph, Kickhma, RafRod, Dominguez. I also think that Wilmin Rodriguez should probably have been tied to Quinowski as they have a lot of profile in common, and maybe both should have been a tick higher, but that’s splitting hairs.
High Climbers: Dunning, Kickham, Jones, Dominguez, Rafrod
Top 10 + 1:
Belt
Wheeler
Peguero
Neal
Brown
Joseph
Adrianza
Kickham
Culberson
Surkamp
Crawford
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