Searching for Ryan Vogelsong; Waiting for Something
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 29, 2011 11:40 AM PST
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PrintThe SB Nation search engine is borked right now, so I can't find the first McCovey Chronicles mention of Ryan Vogelsong. But I'm sure it was as a punchline six years ago. "Say, the Giants should trade for Ian Snell. Anyone got Ryan Vogelsong's number? lollololol!" There's a fascination with certain never-weres that doesn't go away. There will never be a sentence, for example, that can't be improved with a Jamie Brewington mention.
The best movie of the year, for my money, was Green Lantern, a splendiferous, thrill-seeking romp through the galaxy Jamie Brewington.
Works every time. But then the dangedest thing happened. Vogelsong turned out to be fantastic. In a season where the Giants were right to moan about bad luck, they sure got pretty lucky on that move. From AAA wash-up to spring-training invite to All-Star in a few months, Vogelsong was one of the most unlikely stories I've ever followed as a Giants fan.
Last March, we were hoping for some magic from either Jeff Suppan or Brian Lawrence. Turns out it was Ryan Vogelsong. Ryan Vogelsong. So strange. And now that we have that season out of the way, it's perfectly reasonable to expect something similar every single year. Cram the logic, stat dorks! We're spoiled, and we have a taste for redemption now.
Two possibilities have emerged from the shadows, and the first interests me for obvious reasons, while the second one is even more interesting to me for less obvious reasons.
The first is Boof Bonser. Back in 2002, when I was figuring out how to start an interblog, my then-girlfriend came home from school one day with a copy of Waiting for Godot, and it got me thinking about how we baseball nerds often spend time waiting for a pitching prospect who would never show up. That led to Waiting for Boof, which was where you could find consistently brilliant analysis:
I wouldn't put (Joe) Nathan on the team if it were a competition between him and Jeff Juden. Nathan is the owner of a 5.46 ERA in 556 innings above A-ball. I don't care if he's touching 92 again, he needs to have, at the very least, one decent season in the high minors before he is considered for a bullpen job in the majors. If he came up today, he'd be slotted right behind Greg Bruso on the organizational depth charts.
What I meant was that Nathan was probably going to be one of the most consistent closers of his generation, but the formatting got all screwed up.
Anywho, I've always had an attachment to Bonser because of this, even after he was traded to the Twins in a minor deal. And now he's back with the Giants on a minor-league deal. Is he as good of a gamble as Vogelsong was? Oh, of course not. Bonser actually had some success in the majors. He's probably a better gamble.
And, hey, he had a 9.8 K/9 in AAA in three-plus innings last year! As a future All-Star? Well, jokes aside, the former-Giants-prospect-to-future-Giants-All-Star is a hiccup that the universe isn't likely to recreate anytime soon. But Bonser had a minor-league career that suggests he could be a decent-enough replacement to keep in a glass case. He probably isn't going to be ready until the middle of the season, if that, because he had Tommy John surgery, but it's still nice to see his name in the organizational depth chart.
As an oft-injured former Giants prospect whose velocity declined years ago, he sure does make a swell comparison for Vogelsong, though.
But via Giants Nirvana, we have news on another exciting lottery ticket:
Yusmeiro Petit, a 27-year old former #Marlins, #Dbacks RHP, signs a minor league deal with #SFGiants: several sources from his native Vzla
Oh, man. Yusmeiro Petit. I don't even have to write anything new about him because I can just copy and paste my love letter to Brian Lawrence. I'm a sucker for those control mavens:
| Year | Age | Lev | IP | BB | SO | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2003 | 18 | Rk-A- | 2.30 | 74.1 | 10 | 85 | 1.2 | 10.3 | 8.50 |
| 2004 | 19 | A-A+-AA | 2.20 | 139.1 | 41 | 200 | 2.6 | 12.9 | 4.88 |
| 2005 | 20 | AA-AAA | 3.60 | 132.1 | 24 | 144 | 1.6 | 9.8 | 6.00 |
Petit was about as interesting as a non-Giants prospect could get for me. There were whispers that his "lack of stuff" and "homer-prone tendencies" were going to "lead to him washing out of the league and resurfacing as a minor-league deal when he was 27 after doing just okay in the Mexican League," but I never believed them. Turns out those whispers were spot on.
But he has to have some talent if he was able to just waltz into AT&T Park and just shut down the 2009 Giants, right? No mere mortal can do that sort of thing.
He's just as much of a long shot as Voglesong was, or Bonser is, but it's still a name that makes me a little happy to see associated with the Giants. It would probably be scorched-earth time if the GIants actually had to use one of these two guys, but as long as we're greedy and expecting the next Ryan Vogelsong, these two names will do perfectly for now.
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Giants should have gotten Micah Owings
Make him an outfielder and he’s one of the best hitters on the team: Career Line: .286/.313/.507
Then he can mop up duty every now and then.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I wish this post was 100% jest.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
This joke has been done before
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/12/2632282/decision-2011-giants-keep-fontenot#85557163
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Well,
I have the stats to back it up!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
True...True
my comment was more like a Howie comment.
/ looks around for howtheyscored.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
He’s in the old thread still.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
#howtheygotchopped
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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How many crotches did you grab?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 12:14 PM PST up reply actions
I count zero. Keep working, kid.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I think the Diamondbacks actually intended to give him some ABs at first.
He was such a horrible fielder that they gave up on that, though.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
When we had Dontrelle Willis we should have turned him into an offensive jugernaut, the same with Noah Lowry.
Well, maybe not Lowry, but Willis can hit.
When did we have D-Will?
I seem to recall reading a waiver-wire story about it. But since it was so long ago, I swear it was a figment of my imagination.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
2010
That was also the year that the Giants won the World Series.
WTH
I looked that up. did we really sign him and where the heck was he? I remember nothing!
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Dec 29, 2011 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Damn...
Too bad it wasn’t the good D-Will…
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yep. I hope he keeps it up but I’m not banking on it.
by chilibean_3 on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I think he might be okay. If you strip away luck from his 2011, it was still a very fine season.
Just don’t start regressing his walks, pls.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
THIS
Please, please, pleeeease dear god let Vogey have a better season than Zito. A LOT better…
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
lol U
he was traded to the Twins in a minor deal
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
I lol'd too
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Vogelsong references from the past
Dave Littlefield: Brian, hey, this is Dave from the Pirates. Look, I was just sitting in my office trying to figure out how to send a robot back in time to make sure Ryan Vogelsong was never born, and I had a kind of “Shining”-moment. All of a sudden, my body got cold, my hands got clammy, I started to shake…. You aren’t complaining about a trade that didn’t work out for your team, are you?
lollololol!
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Maybe Lincecum winning another Cy Young will cost the Giants an extra two million clams. Maybe. But I’ve watched William VanLandingham tease us with potential. I’ve listened to the KNBR lines burn up after good games from Jamie Brewington, Allen Watson, and Ryan Vogelsong. I’ve watched hundreds of games featuring the close-but-no-cigar promise of Russ Ortiz and Shawn Estes. I’ve watched Joe Nathan build the bulk of an unlikely Hall of Fame case in a different uniform.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
The late-’90s saw the Giants play each year with a top heavy organization of mildly-interesting pitchers. The names would just rotate out. It was like a baseball Menudo. Youngsters create excitement, youngsters outgrow the excitement, youngsters are replaced with carbon copies. High draft pick with early professional success? Jason Grilli begat Kurt Ainsworth, who begat Jesse Foppert. Mid-to-low draft pick shooting through the system? Joe Nathan begat Ryan Vogelsong who begat Erick Threets. In this analogy, Nathan has to be the Ricky Martin, who built a career after Menudo. Sorry, Joe.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
This is from Pants Man
My wife still reflexively answers the rhetorical question “Who let the dogs out?” with this sentence, and if McCovey Chronicles was around in 2000, this would have been my #1 choice for a t-shirt slogan:
“Vogelsong Let The Dogs Out!”
Ryan Vogelsong is arbitration eligible. I see nothing in his recent history that suggests we should pursue him, but I feel obligated to mention the man who gave us such a wonderful sentence. Oh, and Jason Schmidt. He gave us Jason Schmidt, too.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I don’t mind trading a guy like Kurt Ainsworth or Ryan Vogelsong for an established starter – or even a live-armed lefty for a pre-arbitration catcher, but the mystery trades for Wayne Franklin and Mike Stanton still kill me. I’m curious to watch [Shairon] Martis pitch.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Wayne Franklin
I did not care for Wayne Franklin at all. Had about the same level of dislike as Jim Poole.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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Steve Finley likes him.
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I did not care for Wayne Franklin at all
I did not care for him when he threw the ball
I did not care for him on the mound
I did not care for him when his arm was wound
I did not care for him, not at all
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Probably the only time someone said this:
I’m curious to watch [Shairon] Martis pitch.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
No, someone signed him to contract . I’m sure they may have uttered those words.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I wonder if Olney is embarrassed the Rosenthal scooped him on the Keith Law story
I kinda would be
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You aren’t the Olney one.
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by jhiat00 on Dec 29, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/golf clap
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I bet Tiger had that.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Without the golf
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Olney the Lonely
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Olney you can make this world seem bright
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Olney if for a night
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
There is no you there is Olney me.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
There is Olney Zuul
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Help me Obi Won Kenobi...
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Oooohhh ! So Close
Help me Olney Won Kenobi…
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Olney you can prevent forest fires...
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 8:26 PM PST up reply actions
There Can be Olney Jaun
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 30, 2011 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
Hey, I remember Yusmeiro Petit!
He’s kind of interesting. I hope Bonser makes an appearance sometime during the season, so we can all shout, “BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF.”
We should do a meet up at a Grizzlies game.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I am there.
Literally. I am in Fresno.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Last time we did it was in Sacramento. That was a little more doable than Fresno for most folks, though I am going to try to plan a Fresno trip this year.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Let me know.
My wife and I try to make it to at least one Fresno game a year. Might as well be that.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Only one? If I lived there, I’d have season tickets! ;-)
But, seriously, I will definitely let you know if I do a road trip.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I bet scout’s busy…uh…scouting in the summer time.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Actually you are right
We run one of the premier boy scout camps on the west coast. And I am assistant camp director.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
The wife and I have no kids.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I'll probably be in Fresno during the summer!
Well, Visalia, but I’d prefer the Grizzlies over the Rawhide most days
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
such a dumb name
I’ll always call them the Oaks.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
How the California League ought to be
North:
Bakersfield Blaze (It’s a dumb name, but Bakersfield is a dumb city)
Modesto A’s
San Jose Giants
Stockton Ports
Visalia Oaks
South:
who gives a shit
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
LOL re: the South Cal League
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
There’s a team in Adelanto. Maps are my favorite thing in the world and I have only the vaguest idea of what an Adelanto is.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I have only the vaguest idea of what an Adelanto is.
It not anyplace you want to go young man. I believe it’s the Inland Empire 66’ers right ? Angels Single A ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Boof in Vegas?
I love living in Vegas. The 51’s always get the Griz in town twice a year. Though it’s not as fun with them being a Blue Jays team rather than a Dodger affiliate. It was a BLAST chanting “Beat LA!” and everyone around me looking at me like I was nuts.
That and sitting behind the Griz dugout out and shouting “Ort Ort Ort!”
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
The Giants should sign Roy Oswalt to a 1+option deal
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:00 PM PST reply actions
Exactly
I wouldn’t mind a little Vogelsong insurance as well.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
WE HAVE NO MONEY BECAUSE OF THE BALLPARK DEBT AND ITS TOTALLY OK
I typed that slowly in Goofus’ honor
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
isnt it a little odd he is still available?
by orange velvet on Dec 29, 2011 12:05 PM PST up reply actions
Tortured… your presence is requested in the New Year’s thread, somebody is thinking about singing.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The SS Reyes has sailed
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:06 PM PST up reply actions
He gets to play in the shiny flipping fish statue ballpark.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
NEVER TO EARLY TO START THE MUMBLING
What is Bochy going to do with 3 RHP and 2 LHP in the rotation? Because of his awesome fascination with stupid things I would not be the least bit surprised if we see a rotation of:
Timmy
Zito
Cain
MadBum
Vogelsong
Simply because of R-L-R-L-WellemeyerVogelsong thing, and whenever Zito does his whole “I am just going to walk everyone and be pulled in the 3rd inning!” act, Cain can be there to rest the pen the next day.
Basicallly I cannot trust Bochy to run the pitching
Timmy
Cain
MadBum
Vogelsong
ZitoMota/Surkamp
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Lincecum
Bumgarner
Cain
Oswalt
Vogelsong
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I worry that if we sign Oswalt
His back will sign a deal with another team.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
If that happens, the Giants can revert to the rotation they will end up having to start this season anyway.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:11 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not a big fan of his weird righty/lefty thing but I have more than enough trust in how he uses that pitching.
by chilibean_3 on Dec 29, 2011 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't the whole 1-5 rotation thing
kinda of irrelevant after the first week?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Pretty much
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah
That’s why it always bugs me when “analysts” will talk about how so and so might have a better seasons this year because he’s slotted in the #3 spot in the rotation, and therefore won’t be matched up against elite pitchers.
Hello, have you see the baseball schedule? Have you watched a season?
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 29, 2011 12:31 PM PST up reply actions
Clayton Kershaw laughs
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
And somewhere...
A Timmy weeps, seeing the scoreboard say 2-1….
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
I always like it when the Giants make these types of moves
We’ve actually had quite a bit of success with fringe/mediocre players getting better, washed up guys having ressurections and waiver-wire/trash bin pickups
Joe Carter
Jason Schmidt
Jose Cruz Jr.
Andres Torres
Aubrey Huff (2010 version)
Ryan Vogelsong
It’s not perfect, of course. Ryan Klesko just typed that for me because he has nothing better to do. And I’m still miffed that we didn’t pick up David Ortiz was waived by the Twins. But we still have a pretty danged good record.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
Grip was a pretty good dumpster dive as well
Well, for 2 seasons anyway.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
This statement is correct. It was pretty hard to dislike Grissom.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Well, that's kind of the thing with these types of moves
They don’t last for very long, usually.
Carter lasted for a couple of months.
Schmidt was one of the best: good for two seasons and great for two seasons
Cruz was good for us for one season. Then he dropped that ball and wasn’t brought back.
Torres had a down year last year. Who knows how good he will be in the future.
Huff had one good year and one terrible year for us. Next year, who knows.
Vogelsong…we shall see.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
Burrell
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Jose Cruz Jr.
thanks for bringing him up again
/stabby
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
I still feel bad for Jose Cruz Jr. poor guy.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
One dropped fly ball….
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
He knocked over my pizza at Dodger Stadium
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 1:12 PM PST up reply actions
He tossed me a ball that Kevin Brown hit for the last out of the inning once at Dodger Stadium.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
He was a good Giant
His 2003 was really good.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
SL
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
For every move you mentioned...
There are two or three bad ones.
Michael Tucker
Jamey Wright
Wilson Alvarez
Danny Darwin
Miguel Tejada
Edgar Renteria (not counting the WS)
Aaron Rowand
Dave Roberts
Matt Morris
Armando Benitez
Shea Hillenbrand
Steve Finley
Edgardo Alfonzo
Brett Tomko
LaTroy Hawkins (ya, remember, we had him at one point…)
And the list goes on… and on… and on…. and on….
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 8:48 PM PST up reply actions
None of those (except perhaps Finley, Wright, and Tomko) falls into the category of move I was talking about
I’m talking about moves that are low risk moves, mostly. Obviously the Giants have made a ton of moves that haven’t worked. But comparing good moves to bad moves in the aggregate was not my intention.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
Andres Galarraga
Turns out you can spell Ugnio Vlz without 4 E's
by The Gene Hackman on Dec 30, 2011 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
.
Grant’s first mention:
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2005/3/8/174019/1247
First comment:
I think we owe a debt of gratitude to Ryan Vogelsong (he brought us Schmidt0
by kenshin1 on May 1, 2005 12:12 PM PDT actions
Nice…to see that Vogelsong’s arm has recovered sufficently to throw 94 mph fastballs
by kenshin1 on May 1, 2005 12:14 PM PDT up actions
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 12:20 PM PST reply actions
I will go all apeshit if the Giants “find” the money to pursue Roy Oswalt.
My adopted Giant, the young Reinier Roibal
MADDUX MONEY!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
All they needed that season was a solid closer and they would have made the playoffs.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
Will we be saying at the end of the 2012 season that all the Giants needed to make the postseason was Beltran back?
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 12:51 PM PST up reply actions
mlb.com video: Yusmeiro Petit was strong over six innings as Arizona blanked the Giants 08/28/09
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=6334355&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_6334355&v=3
I remember this game. This was right after the Molina pinch hit homer game.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM PST reply actions
Reynold’s monster blast to center field.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
3.9 Million?
The Braves, Rays, and Mets are among the teams looking at Ryan Theriot, reports Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter). The Reds and Rockies are also said to have interest in the infielder, who was non-tendered earlier this month.
Theriot, 32, hit .271/.321/.342 in 483 plate appearances for the World Champion Cardinals last season. He only stole four bases (in ten chances) though, ending his streak of three consecutive seasons with 20+ steals. Theriot had been in line for a $3.9MM salary his third time though arbitration according to our projections.
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Slightly OT: Anybody see this yet today
“@sfchron_sports: A’s owner purchases hotel in San Jose "
Lew Wolff feeling pretty confident ? http://sfg.ly/t18VfB
LOL the comments.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Nah
he did that with Fremont too.
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I think they are trying to force the issue by acting like it’s a done deal.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
This is from the Chron article yesterday
P Magowan needs some meds
“I’d be amazed that, with all the public reassurances we’ve received from Bud Selig over the years, he would change his mind on this matter,” Magowan said. "He’s a man of his word, a man of integrity, and he has been clear and direct in the past about reaffirming our territorial rights
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/27/MNE21MHCKK.DTL#ixzz1hxU9waLe
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Magowanthony
Fans, RDFomans, customers, lend me your panda ears.
I come to bury San Josaesar territorial rights, not to keep them.
…
Yet Buddus says we are ambitious;
And Buddus is an honorable man.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Few things worse
than a lukewarm burrito in desperate need of salsa (which I don’t have).
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There are many things worse than that.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Probably
I couldn’t really find the words/phrases. Also, #1stworldproblem
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cayenne and microwave
Marvin Barrios, come on I'll show you your bedroom. Don't stay on the phone too long to Panama, please.
by foothillsfan on Dec 29, 2011 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting
Here are 10 things I think I think about the upcoming year:
2. B.J. Upton is the next Matt Kemp. The Dodgers’ Kemp combined his experience and raw talent to take a huge step forward at age 26, nearly winning the NL MVP award. Tampa Bay’s Upton has long shown similar skills — he just had his second 20/20 season — but a very high strikeout rate has prevented him from hitting for average and getting on base at high rates. As with Kemp, though, Upton, 27, has years of experience as he reaches his peak, and will take a big step forward next year, cutting his strikeouts, hitting .290 and pushing for the AL MVP award, while getting the Rays to the postseason again.
3. David Price is the next Clayton Kershaw. Like the 2011 Dodgers, the Rays will watch two young stars take big steps forward. Price quietly had a better year in 2011 than he did in his “breakout” 2010, striking out more hitters and walking fewer while carrying the highest workload of his career. Like Kershaw, Price will build on this improvement to be the best starter in his league and win the Cy Young Award.
10. The Reds will win the World Series. The AL has, arguably, the five best teams in baseball. The NL has that kind of parity at the top, though at a lower level of performance. In a short series, though, that doesn’t really matter — and we’ll see that again in 2012, as the Reds, winners of a weak NL Central, ride the bats of Joey Votto and Jay Bruce into the World Series, where rookie catcher Devin Mesoraco and a deep bullpen dispatch Texas in six games. The Rangers, winners of 94 regular-season games and the AL West, become just the third team — and the first since 1913 — to lose three straight Fall Classics.
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correction
3.
David PriceMadison Bumgarner is the next Clayton Kershaw. Like the 2011 Dodgers, theRaysGiants will watch two young stars take big steps forward.PriceBumgarner quietly had a better year in 2011 than he did in his "breakout" 2010, striking out more hitters and walking fewer while carrying the highest workload of his career. Like Kershaw,PriceBumgarner will build on this improvement to be the best starter in his league and win the Cy Young Award.
Addendum: Matt Cain will be the third best starter in his league.
by non sequitur on Dec 29, 2011 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Bumgarner reminds me of Cliff Lee. Tall lefty, few walks, effective cutter, similar velocity, etc…
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Except that Cliff Lee was terrible when he was Bumgarner’s age.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Cliff Lee's balls do not interfere with cell phone reception
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
Unless he’s putting them in the mouth of the person on the other end of the call.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t David Price significantly older than Kershaw as well?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Yeah, that makes the “next Kershaw” line even odder. Cliff Lee could be the next Madison Bumgarner!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
(If only he were that good and ever won a WS.)
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No!
Cliff Lee: 119-69
Madison Bumgarner: 20-19
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
Madison Bumgarner: 8 innings, 6 Ks, 0 Rs.
Cliff Lee: It is … go-one!
by non sequitur on Dec 29, 2011 3:34 PM PST up reply actions
WINZZZ
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Votto went 1 for 11 with 0 BB in the 2010 NLDS.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
IKR?
Saying some hitter is going to carry a team in a post-season series seems foolhardy. The small sample size of PAs gives you a lot of great hitters who do poorly and a lot of obscure hitters who do great.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Boof Bonser? Really?
We really need to sign Cain. I’m worried.
http://candlestickconscience.com
Follow me @OGBaySean
wow
just, wow.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2011 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
Signing Boof to a minor league deal to see if some day we can get some useful innings out of him has nothing to do with Matt M.F. Cain.
by chilibean_3 on Dec 29, 2011 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Of course it does!
This also means that they have DFA Posey and Panda next year.
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Passan is worried
If the financial restrictions on the San Francisco Giants are as legitimate as this offseason portends, they could struggle to sign Cain and Tim Lincecum, due to hit free agency after the 2013 season. And considering they’d be wise to eye extensions for Buster Posey and Madison Bumgarner, the Cain-or-Lincecum choice may well come down to that. And knowing just how much Lincecum means to the franchise…
Which means the Giants will sign both.
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I’m going to LOL so hard when the Giants don’t re-sign Cain this off season.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 1:06 PM PST up reply actions
YOU STOP THAT RIGHT NOW !
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Out of all the players I want the Giants to keep, Cain is at the top of my list.
It’s going to hurt seeing him in a Yankees uniform.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 1:09 PM PST up reply actions
I thought I told you to STOP THAT RIGHT NOW !
I had a long night at work last night and I am not in the mood for any shenanigans.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Nah, I bet it’s the SAWX
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
What if he is wearing that awful uniform in Los Angeles, Colorado or Arizona?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
If Cain’s in a Rockies’ uniform, he’s got nobody to blame but himself
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
They pretty much have to now
The ownership mantra was “no bats because we need to keep the pitching staff together”. Letting Cain reach FA would be unspinnable from a PR perspective.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 1:08 PM PST up reply actions
Letting Cain reach FA would be unspinnable from a PR perspective.
Speak the truth Lars, Speak the truth.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Some people believe whatever the FO tells them
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
The thing is, guys like Cain and Timmy are the core of the team. The Giants at least need to keep those players in order to keep the fans you speak of faithful to the team.
If they don’t, all hell will break loose. Although I think it will be easier for them to part with Cain than Timmy. If they do loose Cain to free agency, maybe they’ll go all out to lock up Timmy to a long term deal to pacify the fan base.
I personally prefer Cain over Timmy, if it came down between the two.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
With the "gotta take care of the pitching" mantra
Anything less than both is a failure
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Maybe they’ll sign a “big bat” the next off season to make up for it.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
So you mean like maybe
I dunno, large bats like that are apparently an endangered species. It’ll cost ya.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
the giants are looking to fail
this whole strategy was doomed. too much rainy day fund and too little motivation to spend.
An since they have two great pitchers and bumgarner in the wings why bother? I am sure that has occurred to them One pitcher lost wont spoil the whole team
by orange velvet on Dec 29, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Sigh...
The thing is, guys likeCain and TimmyBonilla and Bonds are the core of the team. TheGiantsPirates at least need to keep those players in order to keep the fans you speak of faithful to the team.
If they don’t, all hell will break loose. Although I think it will be easier for them to part withCainBonilla thanTimmyBonds. If they do looseCainBonilla to free agency, maybe they’ll go all out to lock upTimmyBonds to a long term deal to pacify the fan base.
I personally preferCainBonilla overTimmyBonds, if it came down between the two.
I’m sure 1991 Pittsburgh fans had this thought back then.
/sigh
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
The choice Pittsburg made was Van Slyke over Bonds
A terrible choice that was. Just a minor quibble.
Oh, and I think that inferring that the Giants will soon be like the Pirates is a tad alarmist.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
The Bonilla/Bonds comparison is more accurate to me...
Looking at the 1989/90/91 Pirates, Bonilla and Bonds carried that team, more than Van Slyke. And Bonilla hit Free Agency a year before Bonds.
1989:
Bonilla, 24 HR, .281/.358/.490/.848 with 145 OPS+, 5.7 WAR,
Bonds: 19HR, .248/.351/.426/.777 with 126 OPS+, 7.7 WAR,
VanSlyke:9 HR, .237/.308/.370/.677 with 97 OPS+, 3.4 WAR
1990:
Bonilla, 32 HR, .280/.322/.518/.841 with 132 OPS+, 3.7 WAR,
Bonds: 33HR, .301/.406/.565/.970 with 170 OPS+, 9.7 WAR,
VanSlyke:17 HR, .284/.367/.465/.832 with 132 OPS+, 4.1 WAR
1991:
Bonilla, 18 HR, .302/.391/.492/.883 with 149 OPS+, 4.5 WAR,
Bonds: 25HR, .292/.410/.514/.924 with 160 OPS+, 8.3 WAR,
VanSlyke:17 HR, .265/.355/.446/.801 with 126 OPS+, 4.0 WAR
After the ‘91 season, the Pirates let Bonilla go via Free Agency to the Mets. Bonds followed after the ’92. I don’t think the Pirates chose Van Slyke over Bonds, he just ended up signing with his hometown team who threw a lot of cash at him.
And I certainly don’t think the Giants will be anything like what the Pirates turned into. We have a bigger budget to play with, so the decade of futility wouldn’t follow. Just that they had two “stars” that carried that team, one ended up leaving, and then the other one saw nothing to stay around for. While sad to think about, it is a REAL possibility.
I’m not being alarmist. More realist. The fact that Matt and Tim COULD leave is a possibility. A dark, horrible possibility, but there nonetheless.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 30, 2011 6:14 AM PST up reply actions
Okay
I thought you were being cynical and inferring a Pirate-like run if Cain and Lincecum left
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
Oh I think they will still give it a try
“We had our ceiling of what we were willing to offer him, and he just turned us down. I guess it was more about the money than playing with the team who drafted him into the league. And frankly, we are disappointed. With that, I am pleased to announce our 5 year 90 million dollar extension with Ryan Vogelsong! He had a tough year last year, but we fully expect him to bounce back.”
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
by scout6 on Dec 29, 2011 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That would be funny were it not the truth.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Sabean: “We can’t compete with a big market team like the Yankees. We have to think about Timmy and Pablo etc…”
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
“We had to take a good, hard look at the rotation, and when you look at it like that, you know that Timmy is the face of this pitching staff, and Madison has too bright a future to risk. So when it came to locking these guys up, we had to realize that we could only keep two without damaging our ability to sign bats for the offense. We tried to work out a deal with Matt, but in the end we just had to save that money for some of these other guys. I assure you, our number one priority this coming offseason will be re-signing Lincecum to a long-term deal.”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Q: Did you ever make an offer for Matt Cain?
Sabean: In a word: No. If we had signed Cain or extended Lincecum, we would have been without [Guillermo] Mota, [Octavio] Dotel, [Santiago] Casilla, [Jeremy] Affeldt, [Freddy] Garcia, [Maicer] Izturis, [Casey] Blake, [Brett] Pill, [Torii] Hunter, [Eric] Hinske and [Marlon] Byrd—obviously not being able to field a competitive team, especially from an experience standpoint, given our level of spending.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Dec 29, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 7 recs
Rec'd
Can’t resist…It’s the all time adaptable quote.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Green.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
It's been seven years and I still get mad at that quote
Especially the “from an experience standpoint”
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
DON'T DO THAT!!!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
You didn’t realize that “taking care of the pitching staff” means Lincecum and Wilson?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
After Lincecum leaves for Seattle, at least we’ll still have Wilson.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
but a healthy wilson? he wasnt all that great last year. r
by orange velvet on Dec 29, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
chasm
I have no particular desire to keep Wilson.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
/propellers
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I understand the negativity
but what signs are there that they are not going to re-sign him?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
but aren't the financial restrictions ostensibly so strict because of the cain/lincecum situations
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I am hoping that they are what the RDF is for.
/ god, now I sound like Sabean with all of the hope.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
-Q: How could you use the rain-day fund? Could you use it to pay into a Lincecum contract? What’s the process to convince ownership to tap into it?
-BAER: Are you referencing what Bill(Neukom) called a reserve fund? Let’s call it a reserve fund.
I think that reserve funds aren’t typically used to address player contracts. Reserve funds are to address some major event that happens unexpectedly.
-Q: Like what?
-BAER: A baseball strike. An earthquake. Come up with your calamity.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
-BAER: A baseball strike. An earthquake. Come up with your calamity.
LOL. This still makes me laugh.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
It may sound silly but since they still HAVE to pay for the stadium, anything that keeps them from not paying it— an earthquake, baseball strike, zombie invasion— is bad for them. I’m not sure if there’s maybe other ways of ensuring that they’ll be able to pay but for right now, I’m thinking all roads lead back to the Stadium Payments
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Rumbly Day Fund doesn’t require a logo change.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 7:36 PM PST up reply actions
I have a rumbly in my tumbly.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, that's a lot better than mine
I guess the English degree lets you do that.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Reading between the lines I get
Reserve funds are to address some major event that happens unexpectedly. Come up with your calamity.
Like signing both Cain and Lincecum. Losing them both qualifies as a calamity in my book.
That’s my totally optimistic view point and I’m sticking to it.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
-Q: Like what?
-BAER: A baseball strike. An earthquake. Come up with your calamity.
Having Crawford be the starting short stop is my calamity. Go back in time and fucking sign Jose Reyes.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 30, 2011 8:26 AM PST up reply actions
You are unreasonably optimistic.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
OT: A client of mine just came in for her session, and gave this to me.
Signed by McCovey. #545/1000
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
well then, there’s an interesting application of the alphabet, on a job announcement:
reqkuired courses:
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
It’s a test. To see if you will boldly speak truth to power when you show up for the interview.
by non sequitur on Dec 29, 2011 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
Fuck that… you can’t proof read your job announcement? I ain’t applying for your job /snap
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Is it wrong that I love that movie ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
No. It is perfectly enjoyable. (Tombstone, right?)
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Yep..
That one and Silverado too.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I'll be your huckleberry.
Fond of Tombstone. I hated Silverado. Unforgiven is the best. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence should be seen by more people.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Unforgiven is very good. Also very dark. I want to drink when I watch that movie.
Did you ever see Open Range ? I will pretty much watch anything with Robert Duvall in it.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Yeah. It’s good. Slooooow build, but definitely good.
If I learned anything from Unforgiven, it’s that drinking whiskey turns your into an invincible bad ass.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Open Range was a decent movie,and as you said a very sloooow build, but the cinematography was what really got me. A really “pretty” movie to watch.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
No.
This movie is great.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
One of Kilmer’s best roles along with Real Genius. Yes, I said that.
Doc Holliday: It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Val Kilmer was also fun in The Doors. Way hotter than Morrison.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I liked Salton Sea too.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
He was fun in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang with Robert Downey.
by non sequitur on Dec 29, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
“Go. Sleep badly. Any questions, hesitate to call.”
by non sequitur on Dec 29, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
kilmer was so hot. sad that he got old
by orange velvet on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
Dr. Dodd: Why is that toy on your head?
Chris Knight: Because if I wear it any place else, it chafes.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
Sadly, I own this movie. On DVD. Not even Blu-Ray.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I HAVE IT ON VHS
Well, taped it off of HBO way back in the 80s.
by non sequitur on Dec 29, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
No, he was great in Real Genius. Stupendous even
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions
It's one of my favorites.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
It would be wrong if you didn’t love it.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Val Kilmer should have gotten an oscar
he really was brilliant
by orange velvet on Dec 29, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
So you would give these people an F ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Apparently Petit has a very communicative dog
several sources from his native Vzla
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
I used to live with someone who had a Vizsla. Good dog.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Which is odd because
Vizslas are one of the original hypoallergenic dogs, making them well-suited to families worrying about allergies.
http://www.care.com/family-pet-guide-dogs-sporting-vizsla-p1104-q168399.html
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Here's the thing:
the Giants finally have a whole stable of great home-grown pitching, two good-to-excellent position players with more in the pipe, a WS victory and still we bitch and moan. I guess we will always pine for something.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Enjoy the game?
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I’m looking forward to 2012, but I feel to be in the minority around here some times.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think we all just want baseball to start already.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Ugh, it’s like 3 more months. The Sharks are just not as compelling, I’m sorry, but it’s true.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I don’t even like hockey much. Handegg holds me over but there is that abyss between the Superbowl and Spring Training.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
I tried to get back into the NBA, but I’m already totally bored with it, 4 days in.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I just never really got into the NBA. The playoffs can be exciting but even then I wouldn’t want to watch an entire series.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Do they really need to be two months long?
But what really bugs me is the total lack of competitive balance. You could cut it down to, like, ten teams and it would still work. In fact, it would probably be better.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I have this friend who thinks baseball doesn’t have competitive balance, despite the fact that different teams win it all every year. He’s into football, and worships the salary cap.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think you may need to de-friend him.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I’d like to see a minimum cap in baseball…. I’m looking at you Oakland… but I think the cap and the whole over officiate everything has ruined football.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I think would certainly be good for the game as a whole.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Hold on. Let's not be hasty.
How does he act when men respectfully admire slightly aging actresses?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
I was a huge Kings fan when they were good. I am a total fair weather fan.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I stopped caring about basketball when David Stern gave the Lakers the title in 2002.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I will never get over that. I loved that team, as did the whole city. It was heartbreaking.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I've told this story here before, so I'll do the short version.
My high school theatre mentor and, subsequently, dear friend was dying of diabetic complications in spring of 2002. He was hanging on pretty much exclusively to watch that playoff run. He died about four hours after Game 7 ended
I have deep and visceral reactions to Laker yellow and Kobe Bryant.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
Me too. That loss really was traumatic. Outsiders don’t really understand.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Not the emotional aspect, no.
But that series remains shorthand nationally for Stern Dicking The Little Guy And Other Assorted Shadiness. And that’s not nothing. It would have sucked even worse to be screwed, lose that spectacularly, and be forgotten.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 8:49 PM PST up reply actions
I stopped caring about basketballwhen David Stern gave the Lakers the title in 2002
It was pretty easy really. My daughter is a huge Sharks fan and Hockey in general. She’s helping me work though my issues during the baseball off-season.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
And Dougie’s back YAY…
But they lost to the fucking nucks last night… BOOOOOOOO!!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
OMG
if the Sharks could only learn to pass! God, the turnovers!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
This is the truth. Every time I bring it up ( like when we watch the Bruins or Penguins) she just shouts me down.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
the turnovers? bah…
THE TURNOVERS IN THE DEFENSIVE ZONE
RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE FREAKING NET!!!
gimme a damn break already…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yep…I really wanted to watch last night. Had our year end inventory closing. I get to run around with the Auditors and make sure they can count. Got out about 11:30 PM. Now I’m to freaking tired to do anything today except post on McC.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
That’s kinda my MO today. With the Mr. out of town I don’t sleep well. It’s been almost a week, so I am DRAG-ging.
I dunno how canofcorn does it, and with kids. I’d be a nervous freaking wreck.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yep, but I am actually supposed to be working…… Not that you…..would you help me take my foot out of my mouth here ?
I have the same problem when mrs.nvsfg is out of town. It’s funny that when you sleep next to someone for 25 years, you can’t sleep when they’re not there. I usually end up reading until about two in the morning. He’ll be home soon right ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Worse for me. I hate Spring Training so I need something between the Super Bowl and early April.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I'm looking forward to 2012 as well and don't think you're in the minority
I think the complainers are just louder.
After Sanchez-for-Melky deal, you’d think from the comments it was the Nathan/Boof/Liriano trade all over again. Then I ran a poll and most people gave it a passing grade or better.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I think 2012 is going to be much better than people are thinking it’ll be. Once Posey and Freddy get out there and them and Pablo do their usual, it’ll be fun again. And if Belt is treated well….
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
I demand perfection.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Play
horseshoes
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
i find it kind of ironic
that we’ll have a lineup that’s almost entirely under 30 for the first time, other than, like, huff and sanchez. we’ve all been wanting it for a long time but now we’re all complaining haha.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Because it kind of sucks.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
well yeah
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Oh, it does not! I think it’s awesome. then again, the Huff leash is going to bug me more than ever. That or if Burriss has to play every day because Freddy went BRANG.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
If Freddy went BRANG, wouldn't that mean Grantenot plays every day?
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I feel like hardcore sports fans just complain a lot. Like, it’s how they discuss things. I think the negativity gets sort of over the top at times (for all sports teams), but it seems to be the nature of the beast.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Depends on the sport. Tennis fans just seem to wax rhapsodic about the wonders of their favorite player, and put down people who support others.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Good point.
The figure skating fans I know are generally really positive about their favorite skaters, and hatefully snarky about the rest, so that’s different as well.
Maybe it’s a team sport thing.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I don’t really get individual sports. How do you pick whom to root for?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I tend to root for the Americans in skating. But, I also just like who is good, or has an aesthetic that I like. With individuals, they come and go pretty quickly. It’s different than a team, where you’d be a shit fan if you only liked the teams that were good at any given time.
I also have gotten to know a lot of the skaters, so I root for them as you would root for a friend.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Who looks the best in a skirt.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Golf definitely has good guys and bad guys
There’s some who are easy going and interact with the crowd, others who are spoiled country club brats who think there poop doesn’t stink
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
It pretty much boils down to ‘I like that guy/girl’.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
You picked based upon the color scheme of the advertisements on their cars.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
I think there’s a big part of it that has to do with happiness writing white.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
It’s the first rule of entertainment, right? A narrative without drama can only be interesting for so long.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yankees fans are probably complaining that it’s been so long since they won their last World Series.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
’It’s been ages since my Yankees have had their rightful due’
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 6:27 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, I know enough Yankees fans to know that they are
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
It doesn't
There are definitely some weak spots but it’s at least average (barring injuries).
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
We've never won the NL West two years in a row
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
At least there's always the Rockies to laugh at.
They’ve never won the NL West one year in a row.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Marlins WS wins: 2
Marlins divisions wins: 0
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Marlins WS wins: 2
Times Marlins went through SF to get to said WS: 2
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
:-(
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
Well cuz we had so much fun in Oct of 2010 we wanna do it again, and again, and again…. but we don’t see management moving in a direction that would make that possible. So we haz a sad.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I think what sort of gets me is that people tend to move past “management is wrong” to this place where they sound like they think management is purposely trying to ruin the team just to spite the fans. That’s where it just gets so over the top.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I think it gets over the top when they blame other fans for any disappointment for giving management credit for maybe knowing some things the fans do not.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Right, where simply asking questions = defending management.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Sometimes you can be accused of that just by not joining in the ’chasm fest or by defending Calbear.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah
but that guy totally asks for it.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
LOL
You kind of do, only because you must know the reaction you’re going to get, right?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Not really
I mean I don’t raise points just because I want to get a rise out of someone. I may form an opinion that is as not informed as it should be. Believe it or not, I have changed my opinions on things around here. But then again, that is seen as a negative.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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I’m sorry — my comment didn’t come out right. I don’t think you’re trying to rile people up, and I don’t even think your opinions are that crazy. I just mean, you’re sort of the lone voice on a particular side, and no matter what you say you always get a bad reaction. So, I just mean, you must expect it by now, right?
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
He’s not even that out there most of the time. I think people get more annoyed that he changes his mind. You’d think that persuadability would be a good thing, but hardheadedness is preferred, apparently.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah
I was pretty tired of it a couple weeks ago when people freaked out about Beltran.
At this point, talk is pretty pointless. Just need to see the season play out.
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He said,
in late December.
/hurryuphurryuphurryup
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Now this is funny
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I'm pretty neutral (maybe neutral-plus) on Sabean/Bochy
But feel sometimes like I’m sniffing their jocks just because I’ll point out their possible motive for something or another way of looking at a situation other than “They’re idiots and I could run the team so much better!”
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by Goofus on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This.
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This
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We're Giants fans
It’s what we do.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 29, 2011 1:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m afraid this may be the correct answer
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Maybe, if this wasn't...
• In a year in which they put up fewer runs, over a full season, than any defending World Series champ in history, the Giants scored 570 runs. The Red Sox had 570 by July 28.
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I have no idea how that happened, it’s not like the starting 3B, RF, and LF were out for a month or more, the starting 2B was out 1/2 of the year, and the stud C and clean up batter was out for 2/3 of year.
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Sometimes, snark is correct.
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OK, so you believe that if all those guys hadn't been hurt, the team still would have scored just 570 runs?
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So now he has to defend a position he didn’t even take?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t even know. And it was mine…
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ME TOO!
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Not Groucho!
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
by Lunkus on Dec 29, 2011 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I read your comment wrong
I thought you were saying that CalBear was merely defending management when he shouldn’t be.
As in Tortured was joking, but you were saying it’s actually true
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Spot. On.
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Which then would imply that the reason the giants scored 570 runs was because of mismanagement and not injuries
Hence, my reply
And I know you clarified below
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I am not so simple minded as to believe that it was solely mgmt and had nothing to do with injuries.
But there is a common belief in sports fandom that if a team doesn’t win, mgmt didn’t do the right things.
I hold to that idea.
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I think it's often true
But there’s also a commonly held belief that in order to win, you need to get pretty lucky in avoiding injuries, and I think the team had the opposite of that in 2011.
As I’ve said before, I think if the 2011 Giants had been peoples’ team in a fantasy league, most people would have just said “Aw, screw it” by the time F Sanchez went down and certainly would have by the time Pablo, Burrell, Belt, Fontenot and Nate all went out.
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In baseball, it takes talent + luck to win.
In 2010 we had lots of both.
In 2011 we had lots of neither.
One is managements responsibility, the other is up to the Universe.
Can’t really “blame” the Universe with picket signs.
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This is untrue.
We had almost the same players, so the talent level was virtually the same. So I guess you’re saying it IS the Universe’s fault.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Fuckin’ universe…
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
We DIDN’T have almost the same players. Injuries, plus Huff wasn’t the same, Tejada and Cabrera, etc.
It was management’s job to bench Huff and make better moves.
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and Belt not hitting when he came up.
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Belt had a higher OPS and OPS+ than Huff. He should have been playing; he was better than Huff, even when he came up.
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They sucked equally in the beginning of the year.
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What? No. That’s the Universe’s fault. It’s management’s fault that better moves weren’t made.
As fans, WE knew to not Tejada and Cabrera the lineup and to not Huff when we could Belt.
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Just like
fans knew that Huff was going to be awful in 2010 and that Crawford/Werth were going to be awesome in 2011?
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Some of us thought Huff was a good edition for 2010, and to be fair, would do well in 2011. But when it was OBVIOUS that Belt was a better option, Bochy should have made a move
As for Crawford and Werth…that was THEIR management, and if they played them, it was their fault.
Werth wasn’t as bad as Huff in 2011. Crawford was bad, and that’s on Theo.
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For the record...
…there were people who wanted the Giants to sign Crawford, Werth and Dunn
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anyone who says they saw the dunn collapse coming...
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really?
you expected him to hit .159/.292/.277 a year after hitting .260/.356/.536? you’re good.
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Fair enough
definitely not the magnitude of the collapse but I did mention that his BB rate was way down and his K rate was way up in 2010. His P/PA ratio and GB/FB ratio, and LD rate were also dropping.
Felt like he was free swinging a lot more. I think last year was an extreme result of those stats.
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He also had
extreme BABIP in 2009 and 2010 (about 30 points above his career norm).
Josh Willingham is following in similar footsteps but his stats may remain good just because he’s moving from the A’s to the Rockies.
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And, as expected, his BB% went right back to his career normal. LD% (for what it’s worth) was right at his career average. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he bounced back to more or less his career norms next year.
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But his BB/K ratio was about the same and significantly lower than his career average. His P/PA dropped even further.
His GB/FB rate remained about the same but his IFFB% jumped (another sign of free swinging). He also got no hits from IF so there was some bad luck.
His 2011 BABIP was extremely low so I do expect a bounce back
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Yes, numbers jump around. It happens.
Betting on a career average with the suitable regression factored in is always the smart money. Unless you have a crystal ball or some special insight, there’s really no reason not to do that.
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I usually look for trends and Dunn’s was not good. I certainly didn’t expect the drop that happened.
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Looking for trends can also lead to extrapolating without merits. See: here.
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True
but it’s pretty much rosterbation. I mean I probably would have not said much had Dunn been good.
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The bottom line, though, is that you were actually right.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
But you can make outlandish claims all the time. Make enough of them, and something’s bound to be right.
This is the tactic that I employ in my work.
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As it is in my
:)
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the 6 straight seasons of 38+ HRs tipped him off.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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What about the RBIs?
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His name is GiantPain.
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Of that list
Just Werth, but not for the money he got. I wanted him for 80ish. I’ve had kind words about Dunn in the past, and I think he turned himself into an OK 1B after being miscast as a OF for so long, but he was overpaid too.
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I liked Crawford but I didn’t like Werth for the money he would get and, since the Giants don’t play in the AL, I didn’t want Dunn.
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The Huff thing bothers me about as much as anything
Management knew he came into camp out of shape last year and he still ended up with 370 more plate appearances than Belt.
Maybe the leash will be shorter this year. I certainly hope so.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
We agree on both of these counts
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People seem to forget that injuries/gave us 2010 as well:
Rent/Sanchez gave us 2010 Uribe.
OF DL de jour gave us Pat the Bat and probably Ross too.
Rowand gave us 2010 Torres.
Wellmeyer gave us Madbum.
Molina (suckage not injury) gave us Posey.
The baseball gods are fickle.
2011 gave us Panda back and Vogglesong but took Posey et al from us.
The 2010 hangover appears to have captured the rest.
2011 would not have required even a league average offense, anything better than historically bad would have put us in the playoffs. 2011 gave us Beltran a few weeks too late.
Sigh.
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I think a lot of people thought that when Posey went down, the season was over. And even if we didn’t say it, we sort of knew it. But then the Giants started winning and everybody thought what the hell, they might still be able to pull this off but then when Freddy went down, that should have been the indication that it wasn’t going to be our year. There’s only so many body blows a team can take before it can’t bounce back anymore
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:28 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with that is that they were in first place in August.
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Yeah, I know. That team stupidly kept on winning despite all evidence that they shouldn’t and made everyone actually think they might make the playoffs. If they would have collapsed sooner, everybody might not be so upset.
Stupid Giants couldn’t do anything right last year
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
The problem with all of this is that their run differential suggested they were basically a .500 team.
I think that it’s probably something that’s glazed over a bit in the discussions regarding how much offense we’re going to get back with the returns of Posey and Freddy: the true talent of last year’s team was not 86 wins, and so saying “we only need 4 more wins/40 more runs” is really kind of misleading. If anything, they need probably closer to 10 more wins/100 more runs.
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by speckops on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You're totally right
We would have been like 25th in baseball in runs scored instead of dead last without the injuries.
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Couldn't scoring 50-100 runs more made the difference between the post-season?
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100 more runs would've made us a league average offense so yes
But the injuries we had do not account for 100 more runs scored.
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Eyeballing it...
…it looks like losing Posey alone cost the team 30-40 runs
You don’t think injuries to Beltran, Sanchez, Pablo, Burrell, Fontenot, Nate, Ross, and Torres couldn’t have been another 20-60 runs?
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How did u get 30-40 runs from just Posey?
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I looked at his 2010 and 2011 RAR
2010: 31 RAR in 443 PAs
2011: 14 RAR in 185 PAs
I pegged that as about 35-40 RAR over a full season, with Stewie/Whitey combining for about 5 RAR over a full season.
Did I do it wrong?
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Also
it’s just about RAR, there is a cumulative effect. When your backups get hurt and bench is thin, players cannot take days off and get tired.
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I think assuming Posey was going to be just as good as he was in 2010 is quite optimistic
He wasn’t anywhere close to that pace when he got hurt
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Judging from the RARs I just posted up there^
He was better in 2011
In 2010, he generated 1 run per 14.29 PAs
In 2011, he generated 1 run per 13.21 PAs
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That includes a positional adjustment, no? I’m not sure if that’s necessarily a fair comparison since his 2010 is brought down by the time he had at first base.
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Maybe so, but wouldn't that help my argument?
He was being used at his most valuable by playing just catcher in 2011
If Posey is a 1B and gets hurt, you can replace more of that offense more easily
If Posey is a catcher and gets hurt, you’re stuck trying to replace him with a backup C
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No, I’m saying that the positional adjustment for catcher gets rolled into this RAR total. So in 2011, he got a substantial bonus from just playing catcher, whereas in 2010, he got dinged for playing 1B. I think, if anything, you’d probably want to use oWAR (!) for this comparison.
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And all teams deal with injuries
So needing perfect health to achieve an offensive goal is unrealistic
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There's quite a large gap between perfect health and what the Giants experienced last season
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You used the Posey injury
And then made this comment
You don’t think injuries to Beltran, Sanchez, Pablo, Burrell, Fontenot, Nate, Ross, and Torres couldn’t have been another 20-60 runs?
If you need everyone to be healthy to achieve a league average offense you’re in some trouble.
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No
but this assumes awful production from SS, 1B, and CF.
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I've actually tried to back up what I was saying with some stats and facts
You’re just bloviating and acting like all that matters is your opinion.
You’re not a very good debator. I, on the other hand, am a master(de)bator
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Even assuming your assumption of 35 RAR for Posey
You still need 65 more runs from the rest of the crew you picked.
I think that’s extremely difficult to calculate. Again, injuries happen. Cardinals lost both Holliday and Pujols, Red Sox lost Youkilis, Phillies had Utley out for awhile etc. etc.
Shit happens to every team. It isn’t an absolute defense like you and the FO would like it to be.
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I understand we lost 100 runs between 2010 and 2011 and it was most likely because of the injuries to the major cogs in the machine.
BUT, (Huff, Tejada, Cabrera, etc) + (Melky, Pagan) = more of the same.
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I'll go way out on a limb and predict Melky and Pagan are better in 2012 than Miggy and OCab were in 2011
And Huff 2012 > Huff 2011
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I dunno...
I’ll go way out on a limb and predict Melky and Pagan are better in 2012 than Miggy and OCab were in 2011
Man, that is really a stretch.
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It is also kind of dishonest comparison
Melky and Pagan don’t need to be better than a couple of shortstops that aren’t here anymore. They need to be better than the outfielders they are replacing.
Crawford is the one that needs to be better than Cabrera and Tejada.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
Pagan is going to be better than 2011 Torres
Melky is going to be better than Ross/Burrell.
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I think it is going to be pretty close.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
The trade for Pagan disappointed me because the Giants gave up Ramirez to get what they already had.
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It is also kind of dishonest comparison
I got your point, it just struck me funny. I’m not sure anyone could be worse than Tejada/Cabrera. At least with Crawford we should be able to hang our hat the fact that the defense will be above average.
The OF is kind of a toss up for me. I have very little faith that Melky can repeat 2011, but improving over last year should not be much of a stretch. Pagan is basically a younger Torres with slightly less defense right ?
I can get stuck in an old school mindset sometimes. I was watching Hot Stove this morning and they were ranking All-Time 3B. I don’t remember who picked whom, but Schmidt was in there, and then someone brought up Brooks Robinson. Dude was one of my favorite players growing up because he was such a bad ass defensive player. Have our expectations as fans changed so much that those “glove only” guys don’t have a place anymore ?
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Brooks Robinson could hit far better than Crawford is ever likely to. He was one of the best defenders ever, but that wasn’t all he did.
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Right
but we’re not talking about putting Crawford up as one of the greatest SS in baseball history.
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If we look at it by WAR, he put up 27.3 dWAR for his career, which is the most of all time. But he had 41.8 oWAR; that’s where most of his value came.
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I'll be happy if
Crawford could be Omar Vizquel.
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He’s not going to do that, either.
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Why not?
Have you seen Vizquel’s early stats?
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See it’s the CERTAIN FACT rebuttal to hypothetical wish that turns some of us off.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Exactly
And this way of thinking, Vogelsong’s 2011 never happened
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Vogelsong was a highly touted prospect with a pedigree who got hurt
Crawford has never been highly regarded. That’s the difference
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So you don't think...
…if I’d said “I’ll be happy if Vogelsong cracks the rotation and puts up a 2.71 ERA”, it wouldn’t have been met with derision?
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It would have been met with derision, and for good reason
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Unexpected, crazy things happen
I just wouldn’t build a team in a way where that kind of stuff needs to happen.
Call it the “hope like hell” corollary
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Which team doesn't do the
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Yankees, Red Sox, Phillies, Blue Jays, Rangers, Angels, Cardinals, White Sox, Rays, Braves, Tigers, Reds…
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Yankees: Hope like hell that the rotation holds up and the lineup remains productive
Red Sox: Hope like hell that the rotation holds up and the bullpen doesn’t fall apart.
Blue Jays: Hope like hell that any of their pitchers will be decent.
Ranger: Hope like hell that Darvish will be great and the rest of the rotation holds up without harming the bullpen. Also hoping that Michael Young is good again
Cardinal: Hope like hell that Carpenter finds the fountain of youth and Wainwright recovers from injuries. Hope like hell Berkman plays well again and Beltran/Holliday stills healthy.
White Sox are not contenders in any way and are dumping players.
Braves: Hope like hell that their pitching holds up and Prado/Heyward comes back.
Tigers: Hope like hell Verlander doesn’t get hurt.
Reds: Hope like hell their pitching is decent.
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None of those things
are even in the same universe of hoping like hell Emmanuel Burris/Brandon Crawford.
You don’t get it and you never will.
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Have you seen who the Yankee’s 2nd starter is? Freddy Garcia is their no. 3.
They are moving Daniel Bard into the rotation at Boston.
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Daniel Bard is a pretty good pitcher.
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except he has been a reliever since 2007. Hope like hell that he won’t breakdown after 100 IP.
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He’s 26/27, so my guess would be that they suspect he’s probably past the so-called “injury nexus.”
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And, that offense is just totally freaking nuts. I mean, they could let almost anyone pitch and they’d still have a shot of winning a lot of games.
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Have you seen the Giants pitching?
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No, I’m actually a closet Marlins supporter. I only see the Giants pitching when they play the Marlins.
I’m really excited about Reyes and the new HR celebration thingie though.
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Cuz
you could put for the Giants:
And, that offenseptiching is just totally freaking nuts. I mean, they could let almost anyone pitchhit and they’d still have a shot of winning a lot of games.
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That's what happened
They won 86 games with the backups to the backups hitting
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Thankfully, some of those backups are now starters!
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One of them
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Crawford and who else?
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They also have
Josh Beckett, John Lester, and Clay Bucholz for gods sake.
They have Andrew Bailey closing
They had the best offense in baseball last year. Shit happens. Their season went off the rails. Put that team in the NL West last year and they win 97 games and win the division by 10 games.
If you don’t see the difference between their issues and the Giants gigantic issues, I can’t help you
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How did you come up with this?
Put that team in the NL West last year and they win 97 games and win the division by 10 games.
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AL adjustment.
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I really want to know
AZ won 94 games last year. He’s saying that if Boston had been in the division, AZ would have won 87 games.
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Well
I mean the Red Sox would still get to DH right?
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You do know how much better the AL is than the NL right?
And how much better the AL East is to the NL West right.
I was speaking off the cuff with the exact numbers no question.
Do you think if the Red Sox, with that team, were in the NL West they wouldn’t have won the division.
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Also it would be very simple to get pretty close to the numbers I had
The Diamonbacks were 13-5 against the Rockies last season. If I replaced the Rockies with the Red Sox is it that unreasonable to believe that the Dbacks would have gone 5-13 vs. the Red Sox?
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So I can randomly pick teams to replace?
Can I replace the dodgers with the Orioles?
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If you wanted to know how the Orioles would do in the NL West, that sounds like a good idea.
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If you don't the Red Sox would've won the NL West
I can’t help you.
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How would they have won 97 games and won the division by 10 games?
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So how come you throw numbers "off the cuff" and it's ok?
And you ask me where I come up with something and I actually show you my math and you change the argument or goal post?
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READ TWO POSTS ABOVE
Also it would be very simple to get pretty close to the numbers I had
The Diamonbacks were 13-5 against the Rockies last season. If I replaced the Rockies with the Red Sox is it that unreasonable to believe that the Dbacks would have gone 5-13 vs. the Red Sox?
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And answer my question
If the Red Sox were in the NL West do you honestly believe they wouldn’t have won the division?
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I never said they wouldn't have
Show me where I did.
I simply questioned how you arrived at those numbers and you’ve either danced around the question or made ridiculous qualifiers
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I gave u an easy way for what I said could happen would happen
It’s all hypotheticals in the situation I’m describing.
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Red Sox: Hope like hell the KFC gets delivered by the 2nd inning.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Vehemently disagree with the "Hpe Like Hell" assertions
These are teams that have confidence where we have hope.
The Yankees merely need their rotation to not fall apart, they KNOW their offense will be there, but they don’t have to hope.
Same with the Red Sox.
The Blue Jays are confident in their org, and have a ton of great pitching.
The Rangers are like the Yankees, with a Blue Jays farm.
The Cardinals just WTWS, they don’t have to hope right now.
My point about thw White Sox is that they are confident, they weren’t “hoping” last year, they knew they had a team put together, its just that everybody but Konerko failed.
The Braves are solid, and they know it.
The Tigers are deeper than you give them credit for.
And the Reds have decent pitching and good young bats.
None of these teams have their fingers crossed like us, althought the White Sox will next season, they didn’t last season.
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Correction
The YankeesGiants merely need their rotation offense to not fall apart, they KNOW their offensepitching will be there, but they don’t have to hope.
What the heck does confidence have to do with anything?
Giants won the World Series two years ago, now they have to hope?
Giants had a great team assembled last year except everyone either got hurt or failed.
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Here’s the thing with that though: pitchers are much more likely to suffer catastrophic, season-ending injuries than position players. So hoping that the rotation doesn’t fall apart is a much longer shot than the lineup.
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Goes both ways
All teams are screwed if they suffer catastrophic pitching injuries
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I mean confidence in the sense that they build their teams with a sound strategy and plan.
Brian Sabean does NOT do this.
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?
really cuz I think the strategy is to build a strong pitching team in a pitcher-friendly ballpark.
Kinda of like the Yankee assembly a power hitting lineup in their bandbox.
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For some reason, the Sabremetric crowd believes that pitchers will always break down, but position players will not and are worth 6 figure/8 year salaries.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Giants had a great team assembled last year
They were good on paper, coming off a World Series. IF Tejada could hit, Sanchez was healthy, Huff could play RF and not do his odd/even thing, Torres could live up to his 2010, Ross could be an every day player, AND Belt was ROY caliber.
Problem was, there was A LOT of useless roster filler and no true depth.
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hmmm
Lets’ see.
OF depth: Huff, Nate
IF depth: Fontenot, DeRosa, Burriss
Not too horrible.
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Citing Burriss as infield depth is pretty funny.
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He's the 25th man on the roster
25th.
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HE SHOULDN'T BE PAID TO BE A BASEBALL PLAYER!!!
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Sock puppet!
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Chasm…rite?
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Nate. Yes. I would rather see him than Cabrera in left. Then we’d still have Sanchez.
IF wise, Fontenot is not depth, he’s the best SS on the team.
This team is a joke the more I think about it.
How can you defend it?
AAAARRRGGHHHH!!!
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I'm confused
Are we talking about 2011 or 2012 roster?
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Don’t forget that with the Yankees it’s hoping that Jeter and Rivera still won’t show their age and ARod’s knees don’t fall apart.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
You mean like these kinds of statements
Pagan is going to be better than 2011 Torres
Melky is going to be better than Ross/Burrell.
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Yes, Crawford could end up like Vizquel, and I could get admitted at Stanford. Doesn’t mean either of them will happen.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Well...this is a conversation I was not prepared for at all
I was just trying to throw a little rainbows and ponies sunshine into the mix.
/ stops asking questions
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Isn't some of that offset by positional adjustment?
Brooks Robinson could hit far better than Crawford is ever likely to. He was one of the best defenders ever, but that wasn’t all he did.
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Brooks Robinson’s first seven years include only one in which he is over 100 OPS+. His first year with 500 PA he produced a 69 OPS+… I think Crawford might actually be able to do that!*
*This does not mean I expect Crawford to turn into Brooks Robinson
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
It was meant to be position-by-position
I was just responding to assertation of “more of the same”
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I do think this is overlooked by a lot of us complainers
And I really think that we are being way too gloomy about the upcoming season. But this off-season has still been very disappointing.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
What have they really given us to look forward to? We’ve already been looking forward to a healthy Posy and Sanchez for a long time.
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Who are they?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
The front office.
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Oh this has been a bad off-season, without a doubt
But I still think we are probably being too gloomy about the upcoming season.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
Ha.
Get Off Ichiro’s Lawn
by Jeff Sullivan • Dec 29, 2011 12:58 PM PST
Ichiro’s getting older, and Ichiro is very much aware of it. From an interview with Nikkan Sports:
I admit that lately I find myself enjoying Enka music during Kohaku Uta Gassen. I am also more concerned about how young people are speaking and find that my skin is drier. So there are times where I feel like I am getting older.Today you have read a remark about Ichiro’s skin.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Bob Fitzgerald
is floating the idea of trading Patrick Willis and 2 no. 1s for Andrew Luck.
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I’d probably go ahead and do this.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
No
You can get good QBs in later rounds/picks.
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Then why haven't we gone ahead and picked one up?
An elite franchise quarterback is worth it’s too valuable to pass up. Middle Line Backer in a 3-4 one of the least valuable positions on the field. I didn’t say I would definitely pull the trigger on a trade like this, but not to at least think about it, is absurd.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Well, that came out wrong, but you get the idea.
Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.
by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
Then why haven’t we gone ahead and picked one up?
Because they haven’t been trying. They really, really haven’t.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
the niners need players at other positions in addition to QB
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
and trading Willis would be insane
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
For a shot at a Manning-esque QB?
I really don’t think so. I love Willis, only current Niner jersey I own is a #52, but I just think that no one is off limits when the potential to get a franchise QB is on the table.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
It’s not insane because the return wouldn’t be theoretically enough. It’s insane because it will never ever ever happen.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
This is correct.
Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.
by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I'll take "Shit that will never happen for 2,000."
And he’s getting paid for it!
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
LOL this
Total sportsradio dumb trade that would never happen in a million years
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He should call into his own show to suggest that trade so he can chew himself out for suggesting such an unrealistic trade.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, if it was a caller making that suggestion, they’d laugh him or her off the line.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
it’s a slow time for sports radio…gotta keep the callers acallin’
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
But the Dubs! They’re leading the Pacific Division!
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
Thanks, Sullivan. I needed that.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I'm guessing he said words that start with F after that little hop
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Fiddlesticks!
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Fushia Fedoras!
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
HGH!
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
The Ted Lilly reaction is better
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
Poor glove
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I just realized that the Lilly and Kershaw gifs are from the same ballpark
It has to be the mound.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
It has to be the mound.
Matt Cain nonchalantly ambles over and erases the logo.
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by nvsfg on Dec 29, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That little dirt path frequently tricked my dad
into thinking that sidearm/submarine pitchers were bouncing the ball into the strike zone.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Posted by Baggs, I just started reading it…verrrrrrrrry interesting….
http://www.mercurynews.com/mark-purdy/ci_19640609?source=rss
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
You would think that having one of the world’s 250 richest people, who lives in the Bay Area, would make the team more willing to spend money? Also, I’m fairly certain unenamored is not a word.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:38 PM PST up reply actions
He is a minority owner currently so moves still has to go through the committee. He is the chairman but he is only one vote.
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I thought I just read that he currently owns the most shares?
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
25 percent. Still a minority owner.
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But you said one vote
That’s wrong
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Votes are not divided up by shares
each member of the board gets one vote. Owners of shares can elect help elect others on the board who are sympathetic.
Majority owners can do things unilaterally. Big big difference.
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Is that how it works? I would think that having a plurality of shares would make his vote worth a little more.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
He owns the most shares
That mean’s his vote is worth more than just one.
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Not
his vote is the same but his shares may allow him to get more sympathetic people on the board.
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It depends on the Giants corporate bylaws
But I highly doubt that voting rights are equal to all board members. I would almost guarantee its base don ownership shares.
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Also, as a condition of sale, he could have secured more votes on financial considerations.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Again, not generally how it works. Also, the shares that he bought came from Neukom, who is in no position to assign votes.
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Ok
If the voting is how you posit it is, then why did Purdy call him the most powerful man in bay area sports? If he is just one vote out of 9 why is he so powerful? Why quotes like this?
And as the new largest stakeholder in the Giants, Johnson will have much to say about the team’s future — as well as the entire Northern California sports landscape — if he chooses.
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it depends on a number of factors: How involved the remaining owners are, how united other owners are with Johnson, and diffuse the voting is.
It’s like parliamentary democracy and Johnson is basically the prime minister, who is only as good as his coalitions.
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Ok but I think your characterization of him "just being one vote"
Is not accurate at all. He definitely holds the most sway
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Okay
it’s incredibly hard to build a coalition. It depends on the rules but if decision requires a majority of the votes, it will be hard for any decision to be done.
I also think that Purdy’s label is the result of Johnson being the richest guy on the board, thus he could easily buy more shares and take over the team.
Don’t forget, Neukom formed a coalition to buy out Magowan just 3 years ago.
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How did Neukom wield so much power last year then?
He didn’t seem to have any trouble raising payroll and investing in the baseball operations department?
Seems to be his position as chairman allowed him to wield such power
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1) Johnson is not the chairman. There is no chairman position with the current ownership structure
2) It depends on how the chairman’s duties are defined. Different companies allow their CEOs various levels of autonomy. The board usually rubber stamps the CEO’s decision anyways because they are too lazy to get involved. Apparently, Neukom was so problematic that the board actually fired him.
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Apparently, Neukom was soproblematiceffective that the board actually fired him.
Fixed ?
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by nvsfg on Dec 29, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It depends on how you look at it. Neukom put up a great public image but his primary duties are owed to the ownership group/board.
The story comes up again and again that Neukom was making too many unilateral decisions without advising the board. That’s a big no-no, no matter how good the decisions were.
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The powers of the board and the shareholders
are defined in the Limited Partnership Agreement.
As a board member he gets one vote on matters decided by the board. As a shareholder, he controls 25% of the vote on matters decided by the shareholders.
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
In this case,
aren’t the shareholders and the board members the same people?
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
There’s only 9 board members. I believe there are a lot more than 9 owners.
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Thanks for clearing that up. I’m kind of tempted to delve deeper into this. But you know, there’s like, porn and stuff.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
If we were able to get a copy of the Limited Partnership Agreement
we’d be able to understand how big decisions are made (but unfortunately not the “why”)
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
This is out of date, because it still shows Neukom as managing general partner, but it has a list of all the “Principal Partners,” with asterisks denoting those who are members of the “Partners Executive Committee.” There are 9 of them.
http://sanfrancisco.giants.mlb.com/team/front_office.jsp?c_id=sf
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Ummmm..
How did Neukom wield so much power last year then?
I’d argue that his power wasn’t very absolute if his ass got thrown on the street
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This
That’s like asking how Tom Cruise wielded so much power in Risky Business
I feel like I want to rage. Right now.
Imagine if
fans owned the team, and their personal investment in the team, as represented by how many tickets, hours of tv or radio consumed, or panda hats bought, determined the number of votes you get on management decisions.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Then I would assume Baer's role.
Because I have the most panda hats. Winner!
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Corporate bylaws?
I thought they Giants are a partnership
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They are
but I think they’re running it like a corporation with boards.
A true partnership just votes by their share.
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Doesn’t it depend on how the board is set up? bylaws or constitution, or whatever it is they do? (as to who gets what and how many votes)
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Sure
but the usual set up is that owners of shares vote for board members and the board members then vote. It’s the whole representative democracy thing.
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The Giants could use their territorial rights windfall to help construct an arena for the Warriors on the parking lot across McCovey Cove from AT&T Park.
I wouldn’t call losing the Santa Clara market a windfall for the Giants, even if they receive compensation for it.
Rusty Simmons December 9, 2011
The Warriors met Wednesday with San Francisco Mayor Ed Lee and Giants CEO Larry Baer to discuss the feasibility of erecting a new, state-of-the-art arena near AT&T Park that would open before the 2017-18 season.
…
The Giants are trying to develop land south of the ballpark, including an effort to build an arena in the area.
With the infrastructure in place to handle a 41,500-seat stadium and the necessary mass transit, China Basin seems a prime locale for a 20,000-seat arena. A parking garage is already expected to be added.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
The Warriors’ lease at Oracle Arena runs through the 2016-17 season.
Interesting that 2017 is when the Giants stadium debt matures.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 4:06 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe I'm being silly
But I would prefer that the San Francisco Giants use the proceeds of relinquishing their baseball territorial rights on the baseball team.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Stop ragging on ownership.
They are fielding as competitive a team as possible. The goal of owning a sports franchise is not to win, it’s to keep owning that franchise and the only way to do that is to be profitable!
Why would the Giants be interested in helping build an arena for the Warriors? Especially to a bad team in a sport in which owners are crying they don’t make any money?
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 30, 2011 8:34 AM PST up reply actions
They own large parcels of land around the ballpark (But not the ballpark land itself. That is leased from the city.) They would like to develop that land.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 30, 2011 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
This is just ONE of the guys Goofus defends for not spending more money
Johnson, according to Forbes magazine, is among the world’s 250 richest people. The co-chairman and co-founder of the Franklin Resources financial mega-firm is worth an estimated $4.4 billion.
He could pay off the stadium debt by himself and it would be like an expensive night out at the bar for me.
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I don’t think that’s really how that works.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
My point was that he is obscenely rich
As are most of these owner. So a strict budget for these guys annoys the hell out of me. Any losses he incurred from owning the Giants would be a drop in the bucket for him.
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I think it’s naive to think that someone who has managed to amass $4.4 billion is okay with “taking a loss.” It’s also not fair to attack Goofus over this.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Goofus is the one constantly beating the drum of
They have expenses, ballpark debt, blah blah.
And sorry if I want and think my owner should be more Eddie Debartolo than John York
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It was an unnecessary dig.
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I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Was what I said not the truth?
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Eddie D?
You really want to hold him up as your ideal owner?
What part of most appeals to you? The shady bribery deals with Edwin Edwards? The rape allegations? The way he was able to nearly squander all of the money his daddy gave him?
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Maybe it was like Brewster's Millions
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
That 1994 championship costs the Niners about 5 years.
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It did, but flags fly forever. We weren’t getting over the hump without spending that money, so I’ll take one championship in five years, rather than none.
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Yeah, one championship followed by 5 years of sucking followed by a repeat of the cycle? Sign me up, please.
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You are signed up...
It’s called the San Francisco Giants.
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by homegrowntalent on Dec 29, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
And yet
we can barely stand one year of 87 win baseball.
Also, please see Florida Marlins.
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Well, I think the real issue is that you can’t actually guarantee a championship every five years. So the easiest way to do it is to make the playoffs as often as possible, and under the 3 Division winners + 1 WC system, 87 wins rarely gets you into the playoffs.
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Understandable
but the injuries materially contributed to the level of wins.
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None of those relate to his ownership.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
But didn't his spending money on the team like a drunken sailor result in his toy getting taken away from him
And the cheating on the salary cap certainly related to his ownership
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5 championships
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But the salary cap would have totally shut him down to the point he couldn’t just sign players for Gob-loads of money to keep them in SF. He was a really, really good owner for an era that’s passed
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
I care about championships
Nothing else
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And that's why you're a fan.
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Yes, for the team I am a fan of
What exactly are you?
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Realistic.
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I thought you were a fan of the Giants
Do you work them? Are you a part owner?
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No
I just have realistic expectations.
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You have low expectations
It’s why we will never be a West Coast version of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Phillies. We had a chance to be that. It’s slowly slipping away
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It’s one year since the WS and last year was unprecedentedly unlucky. Is it possible you might be catastrophising and the Giants’ situation isn’t that dire?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Neukom was ousted
And the words rainy day fund appeared.
That’s more concerning to me big picture.
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So you get no enjoyment from a season unless it results in a championship?
I’d say that’s kinda sad…and explains your bitterness
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When was there ever a West coast version of those teams?
You think that if the Dodgers got decent ownership, that the Giants could match their payroll? The Dodgers are in a much bigger market than the Giants.
For all the griping, west coast fans are just not as hard core as the east coast fans. We have nicer weather, better scenario, and lots more to do.
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I disagree. I have lived in NY, and their teams have many, if not mostly, casual fans. But Giants fans are rabid. Polite, but rabid.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
The issue is that once the team stops winning, the fans go away in the west coast. They go do something else or wait until the next winning season.
The exception to this rule is the Warriors fans.
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Oh, yeah, Citi Field was packed this year.
PACKED.
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Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Even in a down year, after a decade of mostly crappy play, they averaged 30K per home game last year. Middle of the pack in attendance, which isn’t good, but they’re no A’s.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:58 PM PST up reply actions
I'm just saying that losing teams drive fans away on the East Coast too.
ATTENDANCE TRENDS
A look at a decade of Mets cumulative attendance at Shea Stadium and Citi Field.
Year….. Attendance… % Change
2002….. 2,804,838….. 5.5%
2003….. 2,140,599….. -23.7%
2004….. 2,318,951….. 8.3%
2005….. 2,829,929….. 22.0%
2006….. 3,379,535….. 19.4%
2007….. 3,853,955….. 14.0%
2008….. 4,042,045….. 4.9%
2009….. 3,168,571….. -21.6%
2010….. 2,559,738….. -19.2%
2011….. 2,352,596….. -8.1%
Nor are the Yankees immune; there were plenty of empty seats at Yankee Stadium in the Eighties.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Red Sox were the same way in the 80s.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That was my first thought too.
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Shouldn’t you be, like, asleep?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Not even close to when you go to sleep.
I think Graham is just getting up now.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The Angels are trying to become that West Coast version
And when the Dodgers get a competent owner they will do that too.
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Angels will not be
a West Coast version of Yankees or Red Sox. I know I live in OC. People like the team but there is no year round discussion about the team, who they are going to sign, and the anticipation for the next year.
Dodgers were very good in the late 1970s and 1980s and still don’t have the same draw as the Red Sox/Yankees.
It’s like SEC football fans v. everyone else.
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Amazing for a team
That spends more than the Giants every year
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Are you talking about the Angels
cuz they have spent their money pretty poorly in the past few years.
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I said they spend MORE money
But since you asked.. Since Arte Moreno took full control in 2004
The Angels have won the division 5 out of the 8 last years including 3 in a row at one point. All the while having no problem spending money. I’d take that track record.
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1) That AL West is very competitive
2) Angels have had some horrible contract. They traded for Vernon Wells.
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What does this have to do with what I said?
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I'm just going to leave this point
it’s pretty minor and I’m not understanding.
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You're right about one thing
You don’t get it.
And now I’m done.
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the thing with the yankees and the redsox is people all over the world know who they are and wear their gear. If all the merchandising revenue is shared it doesn’t really matter which team is that team, so long as some team is.
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I would guess that if they are not MLB licensed…then no?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The advantage that the Yankees and Red Sox
and now the Angels have is the local TV revenues.
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Not the same level.
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Trust me, tho,
the Giants fan base is particularly rabid and well informed. Frankly, some of it is Kruk & Kuip.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Not only do they have that
But they own part of CSN. It is absolutely comparable.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Having a 25% stake in Comcast Sports Net and owning YES outright are somewhat comparable…
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yes
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
YES
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Put it on the board!
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The key word being somewhat. I was going to say ‘marginally’, but I think that is too restrictive.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
I think it’s fair to say that the Dodgers were the most prestigious team in baseball in the ’70s and ’80s.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
But it didn't last
and they certainly don’t have the notoriety that the Red Sox/Yankees always had.
Red Sox/Yankess are like ManU. Even if the team is not good, people will still recognize the name. Dodgers and Giants are well known in Asia but more because of their Japanese counterparts.
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The Dodgers never recovered from O’Malley selling the team. It was him who ran a great organization and it was him that gave the team a reputation for being classy. Since then, they’ve just become another baseball team.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:41 PM PST up reply actions
For the record
What I brought up that you were basing your opinion on how much the Giants should spend without even looking at expenses.
Try doing that in the real business world sometime. You’d be laughed out of the conference room and out onto the street
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CEO GOOFUS dropping the knowledge!
I know how business works. I know how sports business works. There are two types of owners. The one’s we have and the ones Gladwell describes as owning teams for “psychic benefits” I wish we had Gladwell’s
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It’s true that in an idea world, you’d want your owner to be a Mark Cuban or Steinbrenner or the guy who runs Chelsea because they don’t care at all about losing money. But they’re huge exceptions to the rule- most teams don’t have that kind of owner or even get an Angelos instead. The Giants ownership isn’t at all atypical from everyone else’s.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:43 PM PST up reply actions
heck
even Cuban talked about how he may not bid on the Bums because it didn’t make business sense
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by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:45 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Not how it works
If there’s a loss, all the partners share in it based on their % of ownership. Singling out one guy who owns 25% of the team has nothing to do with the other 75%, so for your argument to be correct, all the owners would have to be ok with taking losses.
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And all the rest of the owners are rich
Keep defending the multi-millionaires and billionaires, by all means
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Yes, they should just make bad business decision. I mean, that’s how they got to be millionaires and billionaires.
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Well
TBF, many of them inherited the wealth. And lots of millionaires and billionaires end up losing their money.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I thinks the Burns did but Johnson is self made.
Rich people are notoriously cheap and conservative. It’s their children that are free-spending.
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There's a difference between
Making decisions to make money for themselves and making decisions that will lead to the most championships
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It boggles my mind how cavalier you are with other peoples' money
Do you walk into restaurants and demand free meals because the owner is rich?
Petulance
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No
But if I walk into a ballpark and spend 50$ on tickets and hot dogs, I demand that they not be idiots with how they spend my money, and I demand that they use it to assemble a better team.
They’re 0/2.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
I think there's general agreement about money could be better spent by Giants' FO
DFARowand is contending they’re rich so should care about the bottom line
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For the record
IF I were to buy that the Giants would lose money if they spent any more than 130m on payroll next year, then there’s still an inconvenient fact: They would only have to lose a tiny bit of money for only one year.
I mean, shit, let’s say they signed Reyes. He’s making ~12 million next year. So, sure, the owners would have to endure one year of 12 million in losses spread out between the dozens of them.
But the little secret is that they wouldn’t have to take a loss at all in 2013, because they’ll stop paying Huff, and Rowand. That’s more money.
So I’m not allowed to be upset at the owners for being (apparently) so short-sighted that they’re unwilling to endure ONE year of minor losses in exchange for a drastically improved team?
No, I’m allowed to be upset about that. Fuck ’em.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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rec'd
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I really do understand that point, but....
…I think there would also be a big concern with how well “Yes, we’re lowering payroll this year, but only because we went over budget last year.” would go over with the fans.
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"Yes, we’re lowering payroll this year, but only because we went over budget last year." would go over with the fans.
When fans complain about the players the Giants sign or do not sign, people say that the team shouldn’t be run based on what the fans think. I think that same thing applies in this case.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 30, 2011 8:09 AM PST up reply actions
I agree, but...
…the reality is that fans are the ones who buy the product and keeping them feeling like you’re trying to put a winning team on the field is pretty important to that end.
Look at the people here are calling them cheap in spite of having one of the highest payrolls in the league. (Although I suspect some of that noise is from people who are simply impossible to please.)
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I haven't jumped into this conversation yet, but..
I think that the people who are saying things like they’re cheap and such are more upset with how they’re spending $130 million rather than not spending more than that.
I’m sure most fan bases would like to be in our shoes, being just a year removed from winning a championship, a $130 million payroll, and one of the best starting rotations in baseball. We have 2 great young position players (Posey/Panda), one who is hopefully going to be great (Belt), and the best ballpark in the world.
As disappointed as I feel about the off-season, we still have a good team. Time to hope like hell….
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 30, 2011 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
you pay for the entertainment value
not to give it to support the cause
It’s not NPR
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I’m not entertained by a shitty team.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
They haven't been shitty since 2008
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that's fine
then you don’t have to go. you are trading money for entertainment. It is not an investment group.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:46 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I demand this hamburger be better!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
JUST DEAL WITH IT
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
EAT YOUR DAMN HAMBURGER
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
/poops on your hamburger and sculpts it into a Tejada face
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 30, 2011 8:11 AM PST up reply actions
If you don't like the way they run the team
then don’t go to the park and spend $50 on tickets and hot dogs?
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 30, 2011 8:19 AM PST up reply actions
Also, when you go to the ballpark and spend $50 on tickets and hotdogs, that money ceases to be yours. It becomes the property of the San Francisco Giants who are free to do with it as they please.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 30, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
(Charles)Johnson was part of the board faction that decided Neukom had to leave.
…
Johnson seeks a low profile. He declined an interview request for this story through Giants spokesperson Staci Slaughter. But we know a few facts about Johnson. He is 78 years old. He is chairman and co-founder of Franklin Resources, the investment and mutual fund giant. Johnson and his wife, Ann, have been longtime Bay Area philanthropists. They live on the peninsula.
Phillip Matier,Andrew Ross September 25, 2011
“A lot of people want to be Jerry Jones or George Steinbrenner,” says one source close to the situation, referring respectively to the flamboyant Dallas Cowboys owner and the late boss of the New York Yankees. “But he’s as far away from that as imaginable.”
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
As a Cowboys fan I both love and hate Jones. He obviously wants that team to be the biggest and best franchise in the NFL mainly because of his ego. The problem is his ego gets in the way of good things since he wants all the credit.
“What’s that? Bill Parcels is getting the credit for turning this franchise around? Well fuck that! Bring in Wade Phillips while I make some important roster decisions! Yee-haw!”
/copy-paste for 1994
I’m not the Cowboys fan here.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
That’s right you aren’t!
/puffs out chest and struts around shouting “how bout dem Cowboys!” like a jackass
I believe that's the only legal way to shout that vile phrase.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
If you were a Steelers fan, you would be acting smug, arrogant and waving a stupid towel.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So... that monday night game vs. Pittsburgh, good game huh?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Have the lights gone on yet?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
well… I was still in Chicago for the game, went to a Steeler bar with my friend, who’s from the Pittsburgh area. Hilarious atmosphere, the fans there were pretty funny, only 3 other 49er fans though
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
If you were a Jets fan, you'd be chanting SHOW! YOUR! TITS! at everything that walked by without a Y chromosome.
(Or you’d be Fireman Ed. Haven’t seen enough of him.)
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 8:02 PM PST up reply actions
FTFY
If you were a Jets fan, you’d be chanting SHOW! YOUR! TITS! at everything that walked by without a Y chromosome.
LOL Rex’s foot fetish videos, Favre’s dong-textin’, and Ines Sainz.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
FTFY
If you were a Jets fan, you’d bechanting SHOW! YOUR! TITS! at everything that walked by without a Y chromosomea Jet all the way, from your first cigarette to your last dyin’ day.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
The Burns were also mega-rich from Franklin Resources
Not sure what your point is
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
If they are going to trade LIncecum or Cain I wish they would do it now.
Both are healthy and at their peak. Wont get as much in a few years for lincecum and Cain has only one year left.
All that talk of saving money to keep the pitching staff together is beginning to sound like BS. BS just to calm the fans before they send Lincecum away. And it will be Lincecum.
I feel psychic today
THEY WERE ALWAYS TOO CHEAP TO SPEND MONEY! all the FO is is giganitcally cheap
?
The payroll is freaking $130 million? They DFA’d Rowand and Tejada when they could have just left them on the roster.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
wwhat idiot would leaver tejada on any roster?
the guy sucked. one time i actually saw him DODGE a ball coming at him.
by orange velvet on Dec 29, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
CalBear just made me think of a (possibly) interesting point
Could one of the reasons we are so frustrated with the financial situation is because just 4 months ago the Organization looked like they were making baseball decisions without weighing financial impact too much by DFAing Tejada and Rowand, to only cry poor the following offseason and talking about hitting their spending level?
Why pay those two to go away, then spend to replace them (with prospects, players or money)? How can you expect people to just swallow that?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They didn’t cry poor. They raised the payroll. They actually also had to pay extra to replace their spot on the roster.
They are just saying that they can’t go over $130 million this year. People just wanted them to ignore the money that they are paying to Rowand.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I was just thinking, maybe along those lines…
I wouldn’t mind a 130 payroll limit IF they’d just admit they got hornswaggled on the Zito and Rowand contracts and somebody, anybody step up and say “Yeah, sunk cost I’ll cover that.”
and I think a lot of us feel like we did cover that with all the Giants crap we bought in 2010.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
yeah yeah I know revenue sharing…blah blah blah…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
followed by zito zito zito.
i am really sick of hearing about zito. he gets tons so lincecum and cain dont?
by orange velvet on Dec 29, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
Has anyone actually said this?
Cuz I’m pretty sure I have heard the opposite.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
distracts people with World Series nostalgia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dejm8vJ2pUA&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PLB570A57DCD0DD230
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Just finished SoA season 3. Fuck yeah.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 29, 2011 4:07 PM PST reply actions
jim’s reason for leaving still seems really weird.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
natteringnabob has completely disappeared from here too.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
some people only post from work and they haven’t been working due to the holidays.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
the relentless trashing of our team has tempered my participation here
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
A lot of these posts turn into the same arguments about the state of the team’s offense and finances. I think this is because the team hasn’t made a lot of moves, and the ones that they’ve made haven’t been of high notoriety. The fans have a right to be disappointed with the way the front office has conducted themselves this off-season, but It gets very monotonous.
I'm just a teenage dirtbag, baby.
There’s been a lot of bad energy since the season ended as everybody’s been angry and bitter. Sometimes I don’t even feel like logging in but do just so I don’t miss yesterday’s awesome LOTR baseball analysis
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
We’ve been talking about baseball far too much this offseason.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
And with Community gone and GoT not starting up til the spring, what is there left to talk about?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 8:20 PM PST up reply actions
So go play around in the New Years post!
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/29/2668322/ot-new-year
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Well, what would you talk about? Game of Thrones?
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Game of Throne v. LOTR world showdown.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Frodo would be skinned alive and Sam would be sodomized with a hot poker while onlookers laugh. Wouldn’t be a good outcome.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I think that committing to player development instead of throwing money at free agents is a viable approach (and desirable IMHO).
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Rxmeister'd
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
I THINK ALEX WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THE INTRINSIC RISK OF FREE AGENT HOBBITRY
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 6:22 PM PST up reply actions
HEY FUCK YOU
/is a joiner
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
Tywin would be like, “Who is this Dark Lord that allows some peasant to steal from him with impunity? No one to be feared.”
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Barry Bonds fun fact of the day.
Barry Bonds had 9 PAs against Guillermo Mota.
He walked in 8 of those 9 PA’s, 5 of which were intentional.
The other PA was a solo home run.
1.000/1.000/.4.000/5.000
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Year PA AB H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB BA OBP SLG OPS
2002 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1.000
2003 3 1 1 0 0 1 1 2 1 1.000 1.000 4.000 5.000
2004 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 5 3 1.000
Total 9 1 1 0 0 1 1 8 5 1.000 1.000 4.000 5.000
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
pfft...like that's something special
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
You're right.
He did the same thing to roughly 21 other pitchers.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Wait...I'm right ? Yes !!
/stumbles slowly around the bases pumping my right arm like Kirk Gibson
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
TBH, it’s the first old guy I could think of stumbling around the bases in a joyful dance
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I didn’t say fat tattooed guys.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Joe Carter, 1993.
Kirby Puckett, 1991.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 8:12 PM PST up reply actions
Plus, He didn’t beat the Giants with that hit. It was the A’s
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Ummmm
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 2m
Picking the best OFs in the majors in tomorrow’s column… Nominations?
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 21s
In other words: Teams that have great outfields. Like the Dodgers, who have Kemp and Ethier filling 2/3 of their OF.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Who wants to do my job for me!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 29, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
That's my point.
Both of them have offense, but they are pretty terrible defensively.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Maybe he’s talking about best overall players?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
sounds like he means good offensive players
who happen to be in the OF.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Ohh...
so it’s like the gold glove thing. Good offensive players who happen to wear gloves in the field.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Both of them have offense, but they are pretty terrible defensively.
So they’re pretty high on GP’s list ?
Kidding…kidding, he’s not even here to defend himself
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I'm willing to wager
That Cabrera, Pagan, and Schierholtz will not be nominated
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
O/T
I want to adopt a Giant this year. When does that draft happen?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Do what I did: Claim a player and don’t look back.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
You could just give me Dreamy Dan.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
To be honest, I’m starting to become a bit bitter because Danny Boy has been so mediocre.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
That was the funniest thing about this off season, though. People suddenly being all, “Dan Runzler isn’t bad! We don’t need Affeldt!” or something along those lines. Suddenly, Runzler is perfectly acceptable.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I’m all for giving him a regular shot, and certainly for giving him a regular shot over the 10 million spent on Affeldt/Lopez. That was my position.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
He has a shot. Wait, he had two shots, the first one he broke his knee, the second time he just sucked.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I actually think he’ll be okay as a reliever. He throws hard. Yes, he’s wild, but I saw him start a couple of times and he looked fantastic for three innings each time, and then lost it.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Fair enough. Sorry.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
It’s not so much that he’s good as that $9 million is good.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Well for 9 million
you would have to throw in Hembree as well.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I’d have been fine with that.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I know
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Yes, I get the original argument.
It was still funny.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I've maintained for a while that Runzler would be a solid LOOGY and an acceptable bullpen option otherwise
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
KDL CLAIMS DAN RUNZLER
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I think it's usually a spring thing, Once we are pretty sure who will be in the Org.
I should get another high pick this year! Yay!
/sobs
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
D:
It’s based on number of comments, right? I should have a high pick, too, then.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
years played, number of comments and a few other factors….depending on who is running it.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Oh, okay.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I have a master list that I have given up on trying to post on the McWiki, I hate that thing, sorry Natto. The list itself is now unwieldy and out of date. Players of course have been traded dropped, left for coyote fodder, and some of the adoptive parents I think showed up to adopt and then were never seen or heard from again.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
dunno, I don’t use google docs and my frustration / tolerance level is rrrrrrrrrrrrrreally low right now. Maybe the Mr. would do it when he gets back. I put the A-C section up on the wiki but gave up after that.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I just added a copy of the list and created a Google docs account for the mcwiki
I copied over all of the info that merope had input on the mcwiki page for the adoptees. If you want to send me an e-mail (mine is in my profile) I will send back the account password for the mcwikichronicles@gmail.com account.
This way if there are a few folks that want to participate in the work we can share it.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
READ MY F'NG FANPOST
all the adoptees are here
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/29/2669383/adopt-a-giant#comments
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
OK, let me copy those over and
give me a few minutes to massage the spreadsheet and separate names into individual columns
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I just emailed you the list.
Open Office form of some type
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Got it..thanks
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Done !
chilibean..it’s done and posted on the mcwiki page
http://mccoveychronicles.wikispaces.com/Adopt+a+Giant+Program
I linked the Google docs spreadsheet as live html so it “should” update as we change the page this year.
As I said up thread, send me an e-mail and I’ll give you the account password. It would be much better if there were a few of us that had the info for the mcwikichronicles google docs page. Springtime is pretty rough for me with Coaching.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
And back
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Now I need to go home and eat. Spaghetti Squash with Wild Lobster Tail tossed in butter and Parmigiano-Reggiano. Cheap and delicious.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Wait, cheap?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
There is a store up here called Winco. They have these Wild Lobster Tails ( fresh water ?) that weigh about six to eight ounces . They are $6 bucks a pound, so each tail costs a couple of bucks. You can have an awesome dinner for two around $15.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Holy crap.
How?!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I imagine that winco is a portmanteau of win and company.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
If I ever take an emaciated foreigner on a tour of America, the first place we go is either Costco or Winco. ‘Bask in the glory of unfettered progress, my backward friend. Come. Be one of us.’
/gives a cell phone and enormous hot dog
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I’m not a foreigner, but I’m emaciated. Are you free tomorrow?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
are you
backwards?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:19 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
You’re foreign enough.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Does being 1.5 generation count?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
If you already have a cellphone + hot dog, there is no need to apply.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
thanks for taking that on.
I think in Feb sometime people have to reclaim or release their adoptee. I think there could be a lot of adoptees thrown into the draft pool.
then the McC rankings
then the draft
oy.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Not a problem.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
So it's a mirror of the actual adoption process.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
If you do not have an adoptee its based on number of comments
If you had an adoptee that left via trade, FA, DFA you are moved to the top of the list then ordered by comments among those types.
That’s the way its been the last two years.
You can also throw your adoptee away and reenter the draft.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
hmmm, maybe I’ll enter. I’ve certainly spent way too much time here over the past year.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I don’t know why I never got an adoptee, but I kind of screwed myself since everyone with someone who left is going to be ahead of me.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
What could be cooler than adopting some random Boof or Brandon
and 3 years from now having them explode into the majors, inspiring the envy of millions of your fellow McCoven?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Ooh I forgot about Boof.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Don't forget Yusmeiro Petit!
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
I probably do.
I think I was like 3rd last year or something.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Actually I lied
I had first pick.
Here is the old draft. Says March 1 on it.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I have no idea who I would pick.
I really don’t like the people that have come in this year. I may just adopt a McCoven.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I don’t think it should work that way, because what if someone also had Ramon Ramirez? Do they get half of Pagan? But, who am I to be trying to make rules?
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Ramirez Ramon capnk
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
See? So, GP shouldn’t automatically get Pagan. But, I mean, I’m not going to make a big deal of it, obvs. :)
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
Well, he changed his sig that day.
Perhaps he has to be challenged or something?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I think it traditionally was whoever claimed him first in a situation like that but tradition is stupid and if there is a better way we should do that. I mean, we have to take this super serious after all.
Well, you just don’t want to piss anybody off. The doors around here are flimsy and I think the maintenance people are tired of replacing them.
Lemme see if I can get the adoption list to go into a fanshot or something.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Whoever had the better player gets first dibs?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Use an objective measurement, then, or use time in the major leagues or time in the organization or whatever. It doesn’t really matter as long as it’s consistent.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Thumb war
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I thought I checked and confirmed that no one had RamRam
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Where did he come from?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
are you rich? cuz I could sure stand to be adopted by a Daddy Warbucks type.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I work for a non profit. At the lowest employment level
Let’s leave it at that.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I think what the Giants are doing this off-season is great!
The only reason a lot of these moves (big and small) won’t work out is bad luck, and there’s no amount of planning or foresight that can avoid that. After all, you don’t pick the time, the time picks you!
Bouncing Ball OT:
How many wins do the Warrior have to get before I can get really excited?
I mean I am already somewhat excited of them being 2-1 and blowing out the Knicks.
It’s so sad to be a Warriors fan.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Monte Poole: The Oakland A's are a travesty
Dedicated first and last to themselves, the owners have upped the ante. In their desire to leave Oakland, they’ve stopped waiting for or pleading with Major League Baseball commissioner Bud Selig, as well as anyone else who was listening.
By trading the players who have represented Oakland in the last three All-Star games, all in a three-week span, the A’s are announcing they’re packing it in for 2012 and maybe even 2013.
…
The A’s have made a series of dramatic moves over the past 20 days, effectively demolishing any pretense of trying to win and simultaneously sending the message that until they get the trade they really want — trading Oakland for San Jose — they’ll just keep making a mockery of the game.
…
That, of course, is something (Lew)Wolff has pined for ever since he joined the organization nine years ago, hired by then-owners Steve Schott and Ken Hofmann to, um, study all viable geographical options for the team.
Wolff, who along with John Fisher bought the team in 2005, has numerous real estate holdings in San Jose and longs for the support of the corporate base that exists in the South Bay. Even as he talked about a future in Oakland, he already was on record — before being hired by the team — saying he would move the A’s to San Jose.
So there never has been any confusion about his desires or intentions. And there isn’t any now. Wolff and Fisher even bought off team president Michael Crowley and general manager Billy Beane, giving each a fraction of ownership. All four are rowing one way, beautifully in sync.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
That article is ridiculous. The A’s aren’t throwing away their season… it was already lost. They had no hope of competing against Texas and Los Angeles. They are building for the future, as they should. It was time for them to rebuild.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
I guess you could always say that as bad as the Giants might look sometimes, at least they’re not the A’s
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
This is the new ad campaign?
2012 Giants: At least we’re not the A’s.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
One thing about the Giants ad campaigns, they never attack the A’s. When the A’s had the “Four World Championships. Zero Splash Hits”, was the day I refused to give another penny to that team (and my two teams play there every year).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Do you buy Sawx/Giants @ A's tickets on the secondary market, or is it full boycott?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 8:24 PM PST up reply actions
I purchased it direct. I wouldn’t buy it on the secondary market for a penny.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Ever? Or only once the A's were revealed to be dicks?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
2012 Giants: We Know Where We’ll Be Playing in Five Years
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 29, 2011 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
For fourth?
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
you mean every season?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:51 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
No
The A’s made a serious effort to compete the last three seasons. It failed of course, thanks to the ownership. Now Beane is doing the smart thing and rebuilding.
I encourage you to check out Fish Stripes, Catch-28 and my twitter.
Padres are trying to out A's the A's
Center thinks Anthony Rizzo will be traded “in the next week or two.” He predicts Rizzo will be sent to the Rays, who will then flip Rizzo to the Cubs, where he is “still coveted” by (former Padres executives) Jed Hoyer and Jason McLeod.
The Padres may choose to take cash from the Pirates to finalize last July’s Ryan Ludwick trade, rather than a player to be named later.
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/padres-notes-rizzo-maholm-young-quentin.html
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Jesus Guzman!
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Center predicts a Maybin extension would be worth “at least” $15-18MM and be five or six years in length, which would buy out all three of Maybin’s arbitration years and at least one of his free agent years.
It’s pretty amazing that the Marlins shipped Maybin off to the Padres and now they are in need of an everyday center fielder.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
He will swing and miss the void
but then crash into it.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
It still amazes me
that he refuses to change that ridiculous batting position despite his suckiness.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
I don’t think there’s any reason for anybody including – and especially – him to believe that his stance has anything to do with his suckiness. He had the same stance when he was good.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not batting expert but there seems like there is a lot of movement before the swing. It may have worked for him when he was younger and had better bat speed but now he has a hard time catching up to fastball and guesses (resulting in him swinging at sliders).
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But he has absolutely no reason to believe that. It’s been a part of his success for so long that it’s completely unintuitive to attribute it to his failures. I also don’t think that you’re correlating his stance with the problem at all. You specifically cite decreased bat speed. Why must it go any further than that, necessarily?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
I really think that employing that kind of swing requires a great deal of bat speed. Your bat head is only out there long enough to suggest itself toward an outside pitch. Gradually that limited time in the hitting zone results in the lone ability to hit inside fastballs, a pitch which the opposing team will be naturally reluctant to throw.
Science!
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I don’t like that last sentence in the first paragraph, but hopefully you get my point. If there is one.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
But you’re not talking about his stance there. You’re talking about swing mechanics.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
Let it not be said that I’m a fan of the squat, though. It looks terrible. I hate looking at it. I just think there are more practical reasons for his being terrible.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
because the batting stance contributes to the suckiness. He has to set up and then gets ready just before the pitch is thrown.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
He also has to reshift his weight
and basically lunges into his swing.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Then it’s a timing issue, no?
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 6:00 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe
But all that movement and then get set just before the pitch is release would seem to affect contact ability.
I’m probably making more out of it than it really is. I like quiet batting stances ala Buster. I mean Barry had the bat waggle but rest of his body was a statute.
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2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Who was it who had all that crazy movement in his stance? I thought it was Chipper Jones off the top of my head, but that’s not right. I’ll keep looking.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Mostly, though, I don’t think there’s much you can attribute to the stuff batters do before they get set, because the swing doesn’t start until the batter is set. If they’re not getting set soon enough, I think that’s another problem.
I brought it up with Rowand specifically because there seems to be a lot of hand wringing in general about how his squat makes him bad, which it seems to me is only even considered because nobody likes to look at it. Other players with lots of moving parts before they set don’t get half as many cries for change.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I know the guy you're talking about.
He was all dancy-dance in the batter’s box. Urrrmmm.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I know, it’s really bugging me now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 6:14 PM PST up reply actions
Haha!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
WIENER WHACKER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
He was a Brave around the right time, so maybe. I wish it was just easier to watch video of baseball players.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
I have a pet theory that those weird gyro swings which Tejada and Rowand employ age really badly. And are for shit when trying to hit the outside pitch.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
I heard Rowand's batting stance was Magowan's fault
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Those people hate baseball
It is the only conclusion I can think of.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:02 PM PST up reply actions
damn, I just had a craving for fig newtons…weird.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Remember the dancing fig commercials?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:06 PM PST up reply actions
Actually I don’t think I do..prunes yes, figs? nuh-uh.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
FIG FUCKER
My mind ain't nuthin' but a total blank, I think I'll just stay here and draaank - Merle Haggard
by NuschlerFace on Dec 29, 2011 6:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
PRUNE PORKER
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 29, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
RAISIN RAPER
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Is it good? Darn tootin'
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Oh my! Job hunting anyone?
The famed British physicist [Hawking] is seeking an assistant to help develop and maintain the electronic speech system that allows him to communicate his vision of the universe. An informal job ad posted to the famed physicist’s website said the assistant should be computer literate, ready to travel, and able to repair electronic devices “with no instruction manual or technical support.”
http://news.yahoo.com/stephen-hawking-seeks-help-voice-heard-135242399.html
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Could be.
Has anyone ever seen Stephen Hawking and Marshawn Lynch in the same room?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Fun Fact
The top 9 in payroll for 2011 did not win a playoff series. Only 2 made the playoffs.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I just cooked and ate 3 eggs
for no real reason. I guess that’s dinner.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:08 PM PST via Android app reply actions
El Person says
Gross
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
You don't like
eggs?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:18 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Nope
They’re in a lot of things that I like, obviously, but they taste pretty awful.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Though I have had trouble getting good eggs in San Francisco. People get to raise chickens in yon backyard round these parts, so good eggs are in plenty. I had some dynamite scrambled eggs last weekend.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
That sounds explosive.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
It was also explosive later.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 29, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions
I can attest to the fact that the omlettes made fresh from my friend’s flock in Hawaii were extra tasty. Being in Hawaii didn’t hurt.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah, all the running around and eating bugs and so forth has a salutary effect on the eggs. We used to get fresh eggs delivered from a farm near Dixon once a week as part of our CSA box. That was pretty OK.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
I can change your mind
You’ve just never had anybody do it right.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
I was silently repeating this in my head as I typed
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
For the record
I think it’s possible to both be critical of the management and also understand that the Giants have a good payroll, great pitching, and a pretty decent shot at the playoffs next year.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
Nuiance
does not exist on this blog
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:17 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Certainly not as you’ve spelled it.
I think this is a compromise between nuisance and nuance.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I blame the phone
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
It's a nuiance!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:45 PM PST up reply actions
I totally agree
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
The good payroll thing is true. I just wish they’d stop Zitoing and Rowanding all over the damned carpet.
Ask me about my blog.
(In before rascally Magowan’s fault.)
Ask me about my blog.
by xanthan on Dec 29, 2011 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
RG3's stock is falling
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by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
reply fail
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by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:37 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
It's the phone right ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
actually
yes
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by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:40 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
I see enormous potential in these verbs.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
New slogan for 2012 Giants: “a pretty decent shot at the playoffs”
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 7:40 PM PST up reply actions
FIFY
New slogan for 2012 Giants: "a pretty decent shot at the playoffs we hope."
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
No the official 2012 slogan is: "Hope like hell"
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
New slogan for 2012 Giants: "a pretty decent shot at the playoffs and we hope like hell we can say were “in this thing come” in September so we can sell a lot of Panda hats"
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 29, 2011 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
I agree they have great pitching and a decent shot at the playoffs
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Yes
I still think Crawford is a horrible way to be cheap if you don’t get Beltran though. Affeldt’s 5 mil could have easily been a useful SS and LH Reliever.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 30, 2011 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
Linky
So there’s really no chance for Alexi ? I mean they have this guy:
Tyler Saladino, SS, Grade C+: 2010 seventh round pick out of Oral Roberts
He could probably fill in just fine for Alexi.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
They need to sign Kyle Williams.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Currently my favorite Niners WR. Crabtree is very good, don’t get me wrong, but I love me some Kyle Williams.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 30, 2011 8:24 AM PST up reply actions
John Olerud: Better than Jim Rice
I have an irrational love for John Olerud. Dude hits cycles during interleague play.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
So many entertaining factoids for a man who was bland a oatmeal.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
NEVER PLAYER A MINOR LEAGUE GAME (TO START WITH)
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
IT'S LIKE YOU WORSHIP THE GUY
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
This is probably pointless,
but it was bugging me that I forgot to unreverse him (the image I found was flipped for some reason) so I flipped him right way ‘round and cleand up a bit:
If you right click and view image you’ll get the full sized version, which isn’t all that big. Or go here. Also, I can’t promise I’ll never use this again with another player.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 30, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Big Olerud fan
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
dude fielded with a batting helmet!
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:41 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
That seems like it would be hard to do. I bet the ball would bounce and rattle around in the helmet.
Ask me about my blog.
‘hands of plastic’
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 29, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/John_Olerud
Olerud was the only member of the pitching staff of the Silver Medal-winning Team USA in the 1987 Intercontinental Cup to make the majors – only he obviously made it as a position player. Olerud was 2-0 with a save and a 3.94 ERA in the Cup, one of only two US players with a record above .500. He allowed 16 hits in 15 innings, struck out 12 and walked 6 in his 6 relief stints, tied for the team lead.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
How the heck was he not an all-star in 1998?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
John Olerud is my sister-in-law's cousin.
I’ve never met him, tho.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Kripes, is there anything actually funny on comedy central?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Workaholics
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Agreed.
This kills.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
I really liked Demetri Martin’s show, but that’s not on anymore.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I really like Demetri Martin but his show was kind of all over the place for me. Had some really good bits here and there though.
One of the writers is on Community now!
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I saw Black here in Sacto when he came through town
several years ago. A good show, not as good as those first two rant-filled classics you see on HBO and Comedy Central from his 2003-2006 tours, but funny just the same. I got tickets to this new tour because it seems like he’s back on his game with the same edge he had during the Bush years. Towards the end of the Bush years, Black seemed tired and a little aged, but then 8 years of W will do that to you.
Responsible for the last great homegrown Giants team.
NO SEX IN THE CHAMPAGNE ROOM
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I assume this is chasm.
But anyone who has ever seen even the slightest scrap of Lewis Black would know that eight years of W would be especially trying for him.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Kinda
I don’t want to hear anything close to politics, left OR right.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
"Anything close to politics" is verboten, eh?
That’s an astonishingly broad range.
Can I point out that W left office with the lowest final approval ratings ever, or are facts off-limits, too? How about history? History’s pretty political. Can we discuss, say, HUAC? The causes of the Civil War? The creation of the Church of England by Henry VIII?
Or…
Perhaps you could simply z past comments that do not interest you instead of acting the cop in all-caps?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 30, 2011 10:17 AM PST up reply actions
Anything over 40 years old is fair game, unless it’s being used as a proxy for current events.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 30, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, got it.
No current events whatsoever, as defined as Watergate forward. Quite the touchy subject, that. So, no discussion of Congressional hearings on steroids, no talk of ballot measures for stadium construction, no mention of the Mets’ Madoff issues….
Well, good thing we’ve got “cake vs pie” to keep us occupied.
Oops, I said #occupied.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 30, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
Why are you taking this so personally? If you’re really concerned, you actually agreed explicitly not to talk about politics when you joined the site. You clicked a thing that said, “Yes, I’ve read the rules that specifically said I don’t talk about politics here, and I’m okay with that.”
That we give more than a little wiggle room in practice doesn’t change that. And it comes off as more than a bit whiny to say, “YOU WANT ME TO STOP DOING THIS THING I ALREADY AGREED NOT TO DO?”
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 30, 2011 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Oh come now
You know that nobody cares about those agreement thingies. They’re just another box to check to get to where we want to go on the internet. They don’t actually mean anything and aren’t binding in any way.
:p
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Fare thee well, Carlos. We don't need you apparently.
But I didn't agree to avoid "anything close to politics."
Because everything is close to politics.
I’m arguing for the practical wiggle room. Yes, I understand why Yahoo!-style comments like “BARACK HUSSEIN OSAMA HATEZ AMURICA” or “9/11 was an inside job” are off-limits here; that’s fine.
But of late, the champagne room meme has really taken off, to the point that it is hollered in response to the mere mention of the fact that Lewis Black really, really didn’t like Dubya. It has a chilling effect upon the free and easy nature of discussions here, and I don’t like that the most hyper-sensitive definition of ‘politics’ gets to set the boundaries. The wiggle room is disappearing. That’s what I take personally.
Look, we’re all (or at least generally behave like) adults here. We know what will step on another’s toes and what would be a violation of the spirit of that initial agreement. No one is campaigning for candidates. The Brandon Crawford Wars (WARs?) have gotten a lot more heated and personal than the political talks.
Pretending we are not approaching a presidential election is silly. Analyzing campaign strategy is not the same thing as campaigning. Mentioning politicians, even polarizing ones, is not in itself “talking politics.” Those are not things I agreed to when I clicked that agreement.
Yes, I was being rather tongue-in-cheek (or whiny, I guess) up there about defining boundaries. But if “you clicked this promise” is being brought out, then I submit that those boundaries do need defining, beyond the impossibly amorphous word ‘politics.’
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 30, 2011 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
Lighten up Francis.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 30, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
I've always been disappointed the few times I've shelled out significant $ to see stand up
Maybe it’s just the big venues and big noisy crowds, because I love comedy clubs
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Best Show in Vegas Is...
Terry Fator. Worth the $$$. Very funny, and makes a big room feel small. I should know, I literally had the WORST seat in the house, last row, last seat to stage right. Hilarious. If anyone comes to Vegas, and want to see a show, he’s worth it.
Watching the Giants play baseball is like buying tickets 162 times a year to have Mike Tyson pretend your testicles are a speed bag.
by danieljgrant on Dec 30, 2011 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I like him, but only spend "big show" money in Vegas on Cirque du Soliel shows
and Blue Man Group
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia? Futurama? South Park?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This this and this
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 30, 2011 8:25 AM PST up reply actions
KEVIN MOTHERFUCKING DURANT
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
just saw that
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 29, 2011 7:53 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Geez the Knicks are bad
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
JIMMER FREDETTEEEEE
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
No fair, I got briefly excited over that.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
So Melvin Mora is retiring
Remember when he and Tejada were going to re-sign with the Orioles this off season?
LOL Good times.
Brian Sabean: "We’re hoping like hell that Burriss can turn into the player we all forecasted him to be" / When it’s time for a change, think Barry Zito's fastball is a changeup. / ESPN: "The Mets swapped Carlos Beltran for Class A right-hander Zack Wheeler in July. Three months later, Baseball America has anointed Wheeler the Mets' top prospect." / Brian Sabean: "We didn't know specifically that we couldn't bring Carlos(Beltran) back" / The next time Freddy Sanchez gets hurt, it'll be time to Panik. / Brian Sabean: People really don't know the baseball card or the all around talent lets say, of a (Melky)Cabrera or (Angel)Pagan. And quite frankly, we're gonna have to hit on a (Aubrey)Huff coming back and being the player he was in 2010"
Haha
hangingsliders Wendy Thurm
From show about 2002 season now on MLBNetwork: if Barry Bonds had gone hitless in 2002, he still would have had an OBP of .338.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
In 2004, it would have been .391
2011 Giants with an OBP of .391 or greater:
Santiago Casilla
Dan Runzler
Jeremy Affeldt
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Affeldt is worth every penny!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
That Penny one is some phenomenal pitcherface
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
And not a single fuck was given that day.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Walter.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 29, 2011 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
STEVE HOLT
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
STEVE HOLT AGAIN
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Hey Pika
Hope all is OK.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Thanks man. Yep, everything's good
took like a 2 month break in the Midwest, drove out there, just got back home Christmas Eve, spent time looking for jobs, talking to professors, getting advice. Came back a little more positive, and more confident that i want to move out to Chicago and focus on looking primarily in Chicago
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Move to Chicago to move closer to the girlfriend, I assume.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That
plus i know a ton more people out there, more connections. She wasn’t very into the idea of living in Chicago, but she’s now absolutely in love with the idea. Love that city, how you been doin?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I’m doing good. Not liking the Giants moves, though.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Good!
and yea, i haven’t been around much because A) looking for jobs is crazy in terms of time consuming, B) Giants making some boneheaded moves. Only person that’s really kept me up to date is Damon Bruce, and all he’s talking about is just how the Giants are being incredibly cheap… umm, it’s kinda lookin like it, huh?
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
it's like they've just said,
we’ll take that 2010 formula, get a bunch of guys that aren’t really starters on other teams, and hope they catch fire
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
I wouldn’t say cheap. Misuse of funds. $130 million is a lot of money.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
ZERO defense in the Alamo Bowl between Washington and Baylor. Early 4th quarter and it’s 53-49, Baylor.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Dave Flemming doing the play-by-play for BYU at St. Mary’s (a conference game, BTW).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
STEVE HOLT
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
All I have to say is...
I AM THE ONE WHO KNOCKS!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
omg y'all
how cool do i feel!?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I’m not quite sure what’s going on, but that looks cool.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
i cooked chicken
the next iron chef tweeted at me
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
the mascarpone roasted (on the right)
it was better, for the record.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
How many people did it take to finish off two whole chickens?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
there were 6 of us
we didn’t finish all of them though, we’re using the legs for soup.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
SMC beats BYU, good!
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Almost in triple digits, too
Real nice win. BYU doesn’t look half bad, and St. Mary’s killed them.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Great game, not great defense
This is looking to be a great conference
Proud adoptive father of the fastest guy in the Giants system, Jarrett Parker
One of the best moments in Giants history, 11/1/2010
Last chop of 2011?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
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