The State of the NL West
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 19, 2011 12:53 PM PST
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PrintThe Giants acquired Melky Cabrera this offseason. Thus endeth the big moves. The Giants' front office sat at a conference table in front of a whiteboard. Someone got up, wrote "MELKY CABRERA", and sat down. Everyone nodded quietly. It was like a silent movie. It's all the Giants needed to do to fix the offense, really, now that Aubrey Huff is good again, and Buster Posey and Freddy Sanchez are totally healthy.
The Dodgers acquired 73 different utility infielders. When I used to smoke, I figured out how addicted I was when I was thinking about my next cigarette while I was already in the middle of one. Ned Colletti was doing the same thing when he was signing Mark Ellis and Adam Kennedy. "Just can't wait to get finished with that contract so I can get another one started. Mmm, maybe John McDonald and Willie Bloomquist are available to … dammit Diamondbacks so much"
The Diamondbacks signed Willie Bloomquist and John McDonald. They can help fill the shortstop position until Stephen Drew is healthy, and after that, the team can put them in a glass jar, shake it, and watch them fight. And just as they were putting together one of the best rotations in the league, they pulled out of the Hiroki Kuroda derby to invest in a left fielder who is worse than what they already have.
The Rockies decided to take a step back in their plans to contend, trading Ubaldo Jimenez away for two premium pitching prospects. They were going to take it slow, knowing that Tulowitzki and Gonzalez were going to be around for a few years, and they were going to build at their own pace with SURPRISE $30 MILLION DEAL TO MICHAEL CUDDYER. Bam! Because if there's one thing the Rockies are terrible at, it's finding random outfielders to field poorly and hit .270/.340/.440.
The Padres traded away their best pitcher. But they also got a huge return. Yasmani Grandal becomes the catcher of the future, which gives them a chance of them trading Nick Hundley for some good prospects. And now they can trade Anthony Rizzo for even better prospects, possibly to the Rays. They're slowing acquiring enough players to build a decent lineup. And maybe Edinson Volquez can resurrect his career in Petco, and get flipped for even more prospects.
Ladies and gentlemen of the internet, I humbly suggest that the Padres are the only team in this division that knows what in the hell they're doing.
You might be a bigger fan of Trevor Cahill than I am, or you might think that the Matt Kemp extension was a masterstroke of franchise-saving genius, or you might be Jeremy Affeldt's wife. You might like some of the moves these teams have made over the offseason. Fair enough. But to me, it looks like there's a slow carbon monoxide leak in just about every office in the NL West. Lateral moves are the rage. And the best move of the bunch, the Latos trade, still shipped one of the best pitchers in the division out. It's not exactly like they gave up a couple issues of Penthouse Letters for all those prospects.
So congratulations, Giants. By jogging in place, you somehow made sure that no one else passed you. Well, the Diamondbacks passed you, but that was about six months ago. It's been a weird offseason for the Giants, but at least it's been a weird offseason for everyone else, too.
Now let's all sit back, cross our fingers, and hope the Rays use their fancy NSA supercomputers to completely fleece the Padres out of the best first basemen they have.
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sabean logic flaw
when he says giants have to be better next year bc they cant be any worse (he did say this about the offense), he is ignoring all the other bazillion variables that can get worse even if offense DOES improve…good teams dont win by hoping to break even
So frustrating
if we were merely “pretty competent” we’d be sitting pretty.
by PocketfullofPoseys on Dec 19, 2011 12:56 PM PST reply actions
LOL GIANTS!
Don't think he can cut it in the bigs? Brock Bond will be the bigger man and walk walk walk away.
I always got the feeling the Padres were the only ones in the division who knew what they were doing. Except for wanting to play payers. That’s usually the one thing they get wrong.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:00 PM PST reply actions
I never play the payers, because that’s how I make my tips.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 19, 2011 1:03 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Padres are in a position where
they are always flipping talent for prospects. A team wanting to “win now” are usually fleeced by a team like the Padres because the urgency is higher.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
But like the A’s, they’re always in a constant state of flipping players so that all that good work in trades is completely forgotten because they’re traded again in two years.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:14 PM PST up reply actions
Honestly, despite being mostly awful, the Padres’ system have produced Gonzalez, a handful of useful players, some good relief pitchers, and Latos.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
They always seem to have good players on the team or in the farm system, make smart trades, and always seem to be a year or two away from being serious contenders. But then just throw it all away by trading them all.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:26 PM PST up reply actions
They traded for Gonzalez.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
June 5, 2000: Drafted by the Florida Marlins in the 1st round (1st pick) of the 2000 amateur draft. Player signed June 6, 2000.
July 11, 2003: Traded by the Florida Marlins with Will Smith (minors) and Ryan Snare to the Texas Rangers for Ugueth Urbina.
January 6, 2006: Traded by the Texas Rangers with Terrmel Sledge and Chris Young to the San Diego Padres for Billy Killian (minors), Adam Eaton and Akinori Otsuka.
December 6, 2010: Traded by the San Diego Padres to the Boston Red Sox for a player to be named later, Casey Kelly (minors), Reymond Fuentes (minors) and Anthony Rizzo. The Boston Red Sox sent Eric Patterson (December 16, 2010) to the San Diego Padres to complete the trade.
Moral of the story: The Padres never drafted or developed their one premium player, and one of their only other notables, Chris Young, came over in the same deal from Texas.
Really, the only players of note (that have reached maturation) that the Padres actually drafted and developed recently are Peavy and Latos. Both of whom were traded for mostly minor leaguers. The only major leaguers they have gotten from the four aforementioned trades that are still with the team: Anthony Rizzo, Edinson Volquez, Eric Patterson, and Clayton Richard.
I’d say they are a less efficient version of the A’s; they don’t produce many players of their own.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Oh yeah, that.
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Even better that he was a first overall pick. It’s not he was a blindsider like Pujols or Tom Brady (unfair comps, obviously). He was just a first rounder who panned out, as most first overall picks have done in the past decade or so.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
the player turnover rate for the A's is no higher than any other franchise
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe. But Josh Byrnes time with the Dbacks was definitely a mixed bag. Right now they have, I think pretty easily the best prospect loaded system in the division and are in position to add more as Grant says, but I’m still keeping the jury out on Byrnes. I think the one thing that Grant neglected to mention in the offseason is the Padres running off Hoyer and MacLeod. Long term that may be as stupid as anything any of the other teams did this winter.
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Just because you are running away with the most informative poster of 2011, I will believe you.
by capn on Dec 19, 2011 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
This is funny people. Rec’d
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I think Roger should end each post with "So what have we learned here?"
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Will there be a pop quiz later?
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Dec 19, 2011 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Wait…
there’s an offseason?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Sure.
2008, for example, was a very off season.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
There's a NEW Mexico?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You're from New Mexico?!?!
Show me your passport!
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This really sums it up perfectly.
All I can say is, I’m glad the Rockies didn’t wise up and offer that money to Beltran.
There is nothing wrong with me cheering for players that are former players for my teams. Unless they become a Viking.
by Giant_in_la_area on Dec 19, 2011 1:01 PM PST via mobile reply actions
NL West
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Dec 19, 2011 1:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
TBF
Other than the Marlins, no one in the NL really improved.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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The Phillies laugh at that as the team’s accountant cries himself to sleep every night
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:16 PM PST up reply actions
Bam! Because if there’s one thing the Rockies are terrible at, it’s finding random outfielders to field poorly and hit .270/.340/.440.
You shouldn’t make fun of Cuddyer. You just know he’s going to break our hearts with a walk-off home run in the 13th inning at Coors Field
Yeah
but Scott Hairston in a Rockies uniform can do that.
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
He's replacing Ryan Spilborghs and Seth Smith
so it’s only natural. It’s like a Highlander thing.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’ve always wondered how much the Giants factor in the crappiness of the division. Like whether they just assume they can stick with Melky because LOL rest of division. And if they were in the AL West, NL Central, or God help us, the NL East, would Beltran already be wearing his new Giants jersey around town?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:13 PM PST reply actions
The NL Central is just as bad
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Last year they were pretty good (two playoff teams including the WS winner with the Reds on the verge of being a contender) but this year……
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
If we got to play the Astros as many times as St. Louis, we could have won 90 games too. Well, okay, maybe we wouldn’t. Maybe the Astros would have just kicked our ass some more, bad example, but you get my point.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 19, 2011 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, and the Dodgers won 3 more games than the Reds last year. Say that they were on the verge of being a contender is stretching the truth a bit.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 19, 2011 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Eh, it was more of an example of if the Giants would approach things differently if they didn’t play in the worst (probably) division in baseball. Didn’t mean get in an argument over the NL Central, it was more of an example.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:36 PM PST up reply actions
I got that. That’s why I didn’t respond to your original comment, only to your comment where you specifically said that the NL Central was pretty good last year.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 19, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Not pretty good, but just better than the NL West. Yeah, they’d have the Astros, Pirates and Reds (2 of 3 teams that basically destroyed our season) but the Cardinals and Brewers were way better than any team in the NL West
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
LOL THE GIANTS 2011 SERIES AGAINST THE ASTROS!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
I wanted to run down on the field and kick them all in the dangly parts.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
It seemed at the time that maybe the dangly parts had retracted.
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
"You don't go out with the pressure that you've gotta be perfect. It's more, 'I know I'm capable of throwing a shutout, so I should probably strive for that every time I go out. And if I don't, then I bite myself in the ass, not everybody else.' "--Tim Lincecum discussing how he deals with the shitty Giants offense.
by Sabean's_Folly on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Dodgers haven’t had a competent owner in a while. Once that happens the Giants won’t be able to sit back like this.
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Dodgers haven’t had a competent owner in a while.
Or a competent GM.
The problem is when you have incompetence in both roles simultaneously.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2011 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
How about the triple threat?
1)Ownership talking about Rainy Day Funds
2)Brian Sabean
3)Bruce Bochy
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It may be more of a conspiracy than that...
…like Susan and her 4 sisters are all NL West GM’s assistants and collude with each other out of spite for their bosses.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 19, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
For me, the simple fact is that I am much less comfortable without Bill Neukom around.
Maybe it was all a charade and maybe he eats little babies, but he exuded confidence and competence. With him there, I always felt that the idiots could only do so much damage. Now all we have is idiots, and I am scared.
I tend to give the FO more benefit of the doubt than most in terms of their money, but if Neukom was doing what he claimed to have been doing (and it could have been all spin), he was turning into the ideal owner. There went that.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
There is still no reasonable explanation for why they ran him off. If it was a power-play by Baer, the rest of the ownership group failed miserably. Larry is great and has done great things for the Giants. I have no doubt he cares about them as much as anyone in the world. I just can’t take him seriously.
I think Bow Tie was specifically run off because he didn’t care about a RDF as much as everyone else- remember, he called the payroll budget a “baseline” and not a definitive thing.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
I am taking a wait-and-see approach with Baer. As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, he is a career Giants’ FO-er, so one would expect that he is invested in the team’s well-being both on and off the field, rather than as a trophy to be toted about or a cash cow to be milked a la McCourt. But it is early yet in his tenure to say how things will be different from Neukom’s short tenure.
Remember, for all the talk of Neukom’s generosity, the big acquisitions under his watch were Huff, Tejada, Ross, Beltran for two months, and a number of relievers and scrap heap pickups. He talked the talk, but whether he walked the walk is up for debate, I think.
I want to believe in Baer, and while the early returns don’t bode well, we haven’t really seen him do all that much yet. He’s still juggling the balls put in the air by Magowan and Neukom.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
For good or for bad, Neukom wanted to do as much as possible to keep the 2010 team together for 2011 because it would look good as a PR move and because it would mean the entire lineup that the team had at the end of 2010 would be together and get a chance to repeat. No, it didn’t work out so well but at the time, nobody could have expected things to go that badly.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:49 PM PST up reply actions
Hindsight is perfect but..
Wouldn’t it have been reasonable to assume that various players weren’t going to repeat their career years in 2011?
Sundrendy!
Other than it happening on his watch, I don’t understand why Neukom gets much credit for TGWTWS.
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didn't he kinda open up the checkbook a bit?
Also didn’t he push the Giants towards the future instead of living in the past a bit?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
The 2010 budget was approx 5 million more than the previous year. And that’s always been the usual increase even under Magowan. It increased AFTER 2010 but there was no way they could win the World Series and claim they didn’t make more money.
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He wanted to invest in the team, he wanted to win, and win, and win again. He wanted to create the Giants as a brand of winning, known for winning because they are good at winning. He signed Sabean to shorter term contracts than before while saying he wanted to see improvement before he gave out another one (and TGWTWS). And he wore bowties.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 19, 2011 1:35 PM PST up reply actions
I really don’t see how re-signing Sabean and wanting to win differs from Peter Magowan.
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Fair point. I just feel like Neukom wanted to build an empire. I don’t have a problem with Magowan, except for all those terrible things he’s made people do.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 19, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Magown was Mr. Rainy Day fund before it was called the RDF. And certain moves were dictated either to save money for it (the Tucker signing) or because he was afraid people would stop going to the park (the Zito signing). I’m also guessing they could have gotten Vlad or somebody like him if Magowan opened the check book a little more
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
Sadly, in Magowan’s case it started raining the day Barry Zito became a free agent.
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in Magowan’s case it started raining the day Barry Zito became a free agent.
For Zeet’s anyway….
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I loved the branding idea- basically trying to turn the Giants into the Sox of the West with all that money and power that comes with it. Really forward-thinking idea.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:41 PM PST up reply actions
I’m not saying he deserves a significant amount of credit for TGTWS. However, from the outside, I liked what I saw of his leadership style. I liked that he had both a long- and short-term plan. I particularly liked that he had a plan. I even liked it more that he was good at communicating the plan.
I particularly liked that he had a plan.
I know right. The Giants Way was the beginning of his demise.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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Rizzo
Now let’s all sit back, cross our fingers, and hope the Rays use their fancy NSA supercomputers to completely fleece the Padres out of the best first basemen they have.
I am more scareder of Spangenberg and Gyorko than Rizzo. I hope the Rays leave Rizzo alone and fleece the Padres of those other guys.
Spangenberg and Gyorko just seem more like the kinds of players that traditionally kill the Giants.
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You hacked xanthan?
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I'm just staying optimistic.
I mean hey, maybe Huff could set the all time single season record for GDP’s! A record breaker! I can already hear Kuip’s epic call.
Matt Cain, Tim Lincecum, and Madison Bumgarner,
L2WIN.
FFFFFFFfff...
Pshhh, right.
Like the Giants could get that many runners on base!
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
I'm not sure what the record is for 4-3ing
But I am willing to bet that Aubrey either holds that record already or will break it in 2012.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
In fairness, a lot of his grounders were 3U and 3-1
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You forgot about shipping away clubhouse terror Andres Torres. Imagine the positive impact behind the scenes now!
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
They had to cut the cancer out, and fast.
Now, if only Benitez and A.J. could be brought back……
Giants baseball: So hollow, so empty.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Dec 19, 2011 5:44 PM PST up reply actions
Sign Beltran, you loons.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
We’re close. His price just has to drop another 9 million.
by GuyWhiteyCorngood on Dec 19, 2011 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
Giants are playing this like they’re on EBay
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
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by troymccluresf on Dec 19, 2011 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
Food Stamps
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Hope like Hell
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:37 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Sabean has said Hell a lot this off season.
Maybe a secret reference to his pay masters?
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
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Phillies announce they’ve re-signed Jimmy Rollins to a three-year deal that includes a vesting option for 2015.
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OT: The Dark Knight Rises trailer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yh6SriAjdE
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Saw that at the IMAX place yesterday before Ghost Protocol. It was looking pretty dang cool. Even though I’m pretty sure I only understood 25% of what Bane said.
I’m still worried.
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I sense a letdown coming in this 3rd installment. And yes, it does have something to do with Catwoman being in yet another movie.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
She’s as synonymous with Batman as is The Joker. To not have her in any of the movies would’ve been wrong. The same argument could be made for Robin (though I certainly won’t be making it).
by Every6thDay on Dec 19, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You don’t think she’s been completely overplayed? Even the Joker was only featured once in a feature film, IIRC.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
once before the Dark Knight that is.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Here’s my gripe: I really wanted to see Clayface in this movie. From a purely entertainment standpoint, we’ve probably seen the extent to which Catwoman can be played out.
That being said, as someone else pointed out, Christopher Nolan has probably earned the benefit of the doubt at this point. I’m just not getting my hopes up astronomically high.
STEVE HOLM! refuses to be the odd man out.
by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
And you could actually do Clayface justice with current graphics technology.
However, I think that Nolan is not interested in the pseudo-magical realism that is necessary for the likes Clayface or Poison Ivy. His villains thus far have been fairly grounded in plausibility. Bane would be the closest thing to a stretch we’ve seen.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That’s a good point.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
“Yes we’re going to release a gas in the city that will cause every citizen to live their nightmares causing Gotham City to tear itself apart. But, let me swing by my friend Bruce’s place first. I want to say ‘hi’. We haven’t talked to each other since I told him my plan a few months ago and he tried to stop me. He thinks I’m dead, I mean, not me-me, but… it’s a long story. It’ll just be 10 minutes.”
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Yes, but
The Joker is a far more complex and compelling character than the token sex appeal and sexual tension Catwoman provides.
The Joker is interesting. Catwoman wears skin-tight leather.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
And she’s pretty much just a thief. But I did like what she said in the trailer & it sounds like her plans could be pretty big.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
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She's sounds like a 99%er.
And there’s a chance she’s operating in a moral grey area than a clear-cut villain.
I always thought of her as more of an antihero
than a villain.
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by Giant Voodoo on Dec 19, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
I haven’t seen the trailer, so I suppose I should say that.
I also generally like Nolan as a writer/director, so I’m not passing judgment on the character. But I don’t think most people would disagree with me in saying that with the Joker, you are starting with more to work with.
Old parable about the two sprinters, one with training and one without, etc.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Or allegory, whichever you prefer.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I'm interesting AND wear skin-tight leather
/has it all
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Don't dare him
He might do it during the next McCoven meet up.
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I am all in favor
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You know, for the Giants.
I have been pretty quiet this offseason.
I’m usually a pretty optimistic guy and I certainly love my Giants but unless there is some kind of miracle there is absolutely no way this team is making the playoffs.
I just can’t for the life of me understand how the front office can honestly think this team has solved the problems of 2011. Just look at what other teams in the division did this offseason and look what we did. Melky Cabrera and Angel Pagan, seriously? That’s it?
Fine, the Dodgers signed a bunch of utility players, they also signed Aaron Harang and Chris Capuano and have prospects like Jerry Sands and Nathan Eovaldi ready to play everyday.
The Diamonbacks, sure, they didn’t need Jason Kubel, but he certainly will help them. Plus they rounded out their rotation with Trevor Cahill and added bullpen depth with Craig Breslow and Takashi Saito. They will also have full years of Aaron Hill (who did really well in his short time with Arizona, Paul Goldschmidt, and Brad Ziegler along with the return of Stephen Drew.
The addition of Cuddyer for the Rockies isn’t an enormous deal, but he is an upgrade over Ty Wigginton. The Rockies have a ton of depth right now, something the Giants are clearly lacking. I don’t think the Giants are much better than the Rockies right now honestly.
The Giants refusal to make ANY substantial upgrade this offseason is absurd. There is no reason why the Giants shouldn’t be in the Carlos Beltran hunt right now. If the Giants allow Beltran to go somewhere else I’ll be really disappointed. The Giants win the World Series, sell out every home game, and are on the verge of being a powerhouse NL club but instead decide to settle on the Miguel Tejada’s of the world instead of making a big splash.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 1:51 PM PST reply actions
After winning the world sereies
They are coasting because they can. They may be a little more serious when the shine wears off and people start finding other things to do. That certainly was not last year and probably not this one. Perhaps 2013.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
I am cautiously hopeful that the resurgence of the Niners will help kick them in the ass a bit. They will not be on top around here forever.
You're forgetting about the coming golden age of Kwame Brown and the Warriors.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Also
They may feel like they can get away with spending less considering the extra playoff spot.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Except they're spending more.
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If you consider that they are literally paying Aaron Rowand $12MM to stay away , you can make an argument that in terms of money they are allocating to living breathing human beings who will play baseball for the San Francisco Giants in 2012, they are spending less.
So the
$12 million they pay to Rowand doesn’t count?
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No of course it counts. I just think it is fair to say that the amount of money they are actually allocating to players who will wear the uniform this year has gone down.
But the
money budgeted for payroll is the same. You can’t play that game because it means that the FO is being punished for DFA’ing Rowand last year.
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I’m not penalizing them. I’m happy they did it. I wish they had done it sooner. I am just making the comment as it pertains to the talent on the field next year.
For what it’s worth, I think Lars was not saying that they could spend less relative to the 2011 payroll. I think he was saying they felt they could spend less relative to what it might normally take to field a competitive team before the addition of the extra playoff spot.
But that's not a fair statement
because the amount of money allocated to players is the same.
They probably could allocate less money to the playoffs (because that’s what the extra spot does) but that does not mean that the FO doing that.
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they should add more payroll.
stop being fucking cheap and do what should have been done last offseason.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
They did add more payroll
they added $12 million…they went from $96 million in 2009, to $118 million in 2010, and $130 million in 2011.
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it should be around $150 million
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
What is that based upon?
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revenue
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
BUT WE CAN ACT LIKE WE DO
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Elvis Grbac is still great
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Please, go on
I’d like to see your analysis of their income statement that we don’t have
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They sold out every home game and are now raising ticket prices by 5-6%?
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The raise in prices could also suggest that they are pretty much maxed out on resources at the moment.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It suggests a lot of things. Fenway is also tiny.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Their demand vs. supply is off the chain in regards to tickets
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Yes, partially a product of the rabidity of the fanbase, but also because of a more limited supply.
They can’t add more seats, so they have to raise payroll. What it boils down to is, we know that ticket prices are going up, but it doesn’t really give us an idea of what the finances are like. At all.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The supply’s not that much more limited. They sell over 3 million seats a year — only 300,000 less than the Giants last season. (and let’s not forget they did actually add seats just a few years back). If they really wanted to I’d imagine they could do it again in a broader way, something like the Packers did, though there were certainly be some large scale complications in such a project).
And raised payroll 3 years in a row
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Your numbers are al one year off, but your points stands
The $130M payroll is for 2012
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These are not good moves and consist of 25-35 percent of the entire payroll. Cahill may be good but he could also be not good.
The Diamonbacks, sure, they didn’t need Jason Kubel, but he certainly will help them. Plus they rounded out their rotation with Trevor Cahill and added bullpen depth with Craig Breslow and Takashi Saito. They will also have full years of Aaron Hill (who did really well in his short time with Arizona, Paul Goldschmidt, and Brad Ziegler along with the return of Stephen Drew.
Giants had a budget this year, short and simple. You may not like it but it’s the situation. I feel like there is a lot displeasure because they didn’t go out and get a big name. I much rather have the Giants’ offseason than the Phillies or Dback’s offseason.
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the budget is the problem. I refuse to believe the Giants can’t afford to increase payroll more. Its not like the Giants are in a small market, they pretty much own the entire bay area.
You have to spend money to make money. You can’t solve the offensive problems of this team by overspending for relievers and making other lateral moves. The Giants need to sign a player with a track record of being capable of being above average offensively.
I’m not concerned with the Phillies offseason, they will have a good team, and they will be an NL powerhouse for many more years. There is no way in hell the Diamonbacks didn’t improve more so than the Giants this offseason, outrageous. Not only is the major league squad significantly better their minor league system is easily in the top 10 in baseball. The Giants allowed the Diamondbacks to come out of nowhere last year by having a similar 2011 offseason. Now I’m afraid we are going to not only let the Diamonbacks pass us, but other teams like the Rockies and Dodgers.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
1) $130 million payroll is not small market.
2) Phillies’ future is awful. They have a lot of long term contracts in Howard, Rollins, Papelbon, and on aging starters like Lee and Halladay. Ruiz, Pence, and Hamels are all coming up to their FA years.
3) I did this before but the Giants’ lineup is equal to or better than the AZ lineup as a whole. Giants have a much better rotation currently. The AZ farm is much better but in part because the Giants farm system have produced quality MLBers in the past 5 years.
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1. It should be higher
2. Their future is horrible, whereas the Giants are in the process of possibly losing their two best starting pitchers.
3. The Giants position players are not as good as the Diamondbacks position players. Also the Giants farm system is weak not only because they have gradually promoted prospects but because they choose to trade prospects away for rental players (Zack Wheeler, Thomas Neal, Ryan Verdugo, etc.)
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
1) $130 million is probably between 6-10 for payroll.
2) Giants have the money and intention to sign both Tim and Matt. Phillies are basically stuck with this group for another 3-4 years.
3) Of the players on the Dbacks, only Upton, Chis Young, and Drew are better. Giants have the advantage at C, 3B, and 1B (Belt v. Goldschmidt).
Also, Neal and Verdugo are all C+/B- prospects at best. AZ’s farm system is pitching rich because they had high draft picks the last few years.
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1. I realize what their payroll rank is. Once again it should be higher. They can spend more and still make money.
2.We’ll see about that. According to the front office, the #1 priority this offseason was to lock up Cain and Lincecum. The offseason is halfway over and it doesn’t sound like the team is much closer than they were at the end of 2012 season. Also, I never mentioned the Phillies, at all. I don’t know why the Phillies were mentioned.
3. Parra/Kubel is better than whoever we have in left. Aaron Hill will probably be better than Freddy Sanchez.
Also, you conveniently left out Zack Wheeler there. C+/B- prospects still have value especially when you have a shit farm system like the Giants do. The Diamonbacks traded for Tyler Skaggs and Patrick Corbin, two of their top 5 pitching prospects. When was the last time the Giants made a trade for prospects?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
1. That’s what every one assumes.
2. There are a lot of teams that have not up-ed their superstars. Weaver didn’t even sign until the end of the season last year.
3) Parra is basically Nate. Kubel is not better than Parra overall. Hill is not better than Sanchez. You need to go look up Hill’s stats in 2010 and pre-trade 2011.
4. I left out Wheeler because he was a unique situation. Giants were 4.0 games up on the division and the thought was that Beltran would put them over the top to get to another WS. I liked the trade then and now because it showed that the FO wanted to go for the win. C+/B- prospect seldomly have value period.
Diamondbacks traded for Skaggs for Haren who they got by trading Carlos González, Brett Anderson, Aaron Cunningham, Greg Smith, Dana Eveland, and Chris Carter. It’s arguable that they got the better end of that deal.
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I'm done arguing
If you think the Giants are in a good position right now, more power to you. I have a feeling I will get the last laugh.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
and by laugh I mean I'll be pissed and say I told you so.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
i agree with you nnamdi
i have said it before, but the only team the giants look like they can beat is the padres, but even then they are historically bad at beating the pads.
this 2012 season is going to be very similar to the 2008 giants
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
Parra/Kubel is better than whoever we have in left. Aaron Hill will probably be better than Freddy Sanchez.
Aaron Hill is pretty bad. Don’t let the SSS in AZ fool you. The only reason he might be better than Sanchez is because there’s a solid chance Freddy spends a solid portion of the year on the DL.
Also, there’s a good chance that Belt will take over in left next year. Or maybe they try the Huff in the OF experiment again. We also have Nate as a 4th OF just in case. Regardless, Kubel is extremely mediocre and it’s extremely beneficial to us that he’ll be taking away Parra’s playing time.
The Diamonbacks traded for Tyler Skaggs and Patrick Corbin, two of their top 5 pitching prospects. When was the last time the Giants made a trade for prospects?
Dunno, but they seem to be pretty okay at drafting.
Hill's projected to be better than Sanchez this year.
They have been good at drafting, that doesn’t mean you can’t also trade for prospects.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Again
I realize what their payroll rank is. Once again it should be higher. They can spend more and still make money.
I’d love to hear the analysis to back up this claim. Unless you have access to their books, it’s baseless.
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We know that the Rainy Day Fund exists.
Ergo, they must have money they aren’t spending.
Science?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
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I’ll need Roger to confirm this before I trust it.
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Look, he might win most informative, but that’s not the same thing as most trustworthy.
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I would trust you, but I’m concerned as to the veracity of what you’re telling me.
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While, I mostly agree with you here, Goofus, and it’s certainly a level-headed and logical comment, I do think there’s one bit of logical extrapolation that can support the notion that the payroll could go higher and that’s comparing us to the Phillies. I just don’t see where they can have enough significantly higher revenue streams than us to support their significantly higher payroll. In fact, eyeballing as well as can be done through publicly available information, it seems to me that we actually should have the higher revenue.
I certainly can’t put a figure on where that revenue could go, but it does seem logical to me to think it could go somewhere higher. What would really help of course is if someone could get a reliable figure on what the various corporate web-related devices are bringing in (mlbtv, .com, AtBat, Network). If it’s in the 3-6 billion as some people seem to think, that means teams are starting their New Years with $100-200m before they’ve made a dollar themselves. Unfortunately, from what the Forbes people are saying those numbers aren’t part of the Dodgers backruptcy book (because they aren’t an asset of the team per se). I was hoping that that sale would give us a real insight into how much the industry’s truly visionary and state of the art web presence has brought to teams in real dollars, but it appears it will continue to be a tightly held secret.
I think Roger should end each post with "So what have we learned here?" Goofus
The Phililes comparison doesn’t quite work as nobody can explain how they can afford all the players they have. MLB dinged them last year for carrying too much of a debt load. There idea, like a lot of people here have, is that if the Phillies keep on winning and having a high payroll, they’ll have people come out to support the team is working for now (the entire area is nothing but red and white during the summer) but it’ll all end when the Howard contract kicks in, the team gets older and the farm system doesn’t provide the team with anyone. Even Phillies fans are worried about it all and think the team’s running a house of cards. Somebody on the Phighting Phils even called the team a tech stock in the late 90’s.
Agreed, though, that it would be nice if somebody (ie a reporter) goes in and fiddles with the numbers to see how much BS is being peddled, if any is.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 20, 2011 8:17 AM PST up reply actions
Our market size is comparable to Philadelphia’s, but we do have two disadvantages: 1) $20 million in annual stadium debt; 2) splitting the market. The rainy day fund is probably money the Giants feel they need if the As move to San Jose and we lose some of our season ticket and sponsorship base. Without knowing all the details, that’s my guess as to what brings us down from the $175 million Philadelphia payroll to our $130 million.
by GiantFaninDodgerLand on Dec 20, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
Philadelphia also has some stadium debt, however. Their stadium wasn’t fully privately financed, but it was 50% financed. In addition, I assume that they don’t fully own the parking lot (which services three different stadiums) and am not sure what the situation is with their concessions (both of which the Giants control fully).
The key difference between the two (and in fact the single biggest local factor in the huge upswing in revenues and payroll the last few years) is the way their TV licensing deals function and that difference is surely in the Giants favor. While Comcast Philadelphia pays for the rights to show Phillies games, the Giants actually own 30% of FSN Bay Area (or Comcast Bay Area or whatever it’s called now).
What exactly that amounts to per year there’s no way of knowing. But Cablevision sold FSN Bay Area to Comcast for $570 mil about 5 years ago. Either way, owning a third of the regional Comcast is surely a better revenue stream than being paid to be on the regional sports channel.
Either way, owning a third of the regional Comcast is surely a better revenue stream than being paid to be on the regional sports channel.
Maybe, maybe not. Buying 1/3 of your customer’s business isn’t always a good investment. It might be better over the long term, but you have that captial outlay that has to be covered and as a part owner you have to share in expenses and potential losses.
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It’s actually unclear that there was any capital outlay (beyond the 25 years of Giants programming that they signed on for.
That said, media licensing deals are driving the huge inflows of cash into baseball right now. I think it’s hard to make an argument that owning equity in their own regional sports network is a potential hazard for the Giants.
Here, by the way, are Forbes’ estimations of the value and worth of the Phillies and Giants as of last March.
One noticeable thing about the Giants portfolio is how much their Operating Income has taken off since they signed the deal with Comcast. Rising from a low of $1mil in 2004 to nearly $30mil last year.
I think the issue is that even though the $130 million payroll is very high and maybe in line with what the Giants really make, they had a serious chance of going for the jugular this year, both in terms of dominating the NL West (and NL) but in taking over as the predominant sports team in the area. Instead, they didn’t do it. I’m not saying they should have loaded up the brinks truck and signed Reyes like some people did but Beltran should have been considered and any number of other B level free agents that everyone’s signing but us.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Again
CF: Young > Pagan
RF: Upton >>> Melky
LF: Parra = Nate
3B: Roberts << Panda
SS: Drew >> Crawford
2B: Johnson < Sanchez
1B: Goldschmidt/Overbay < Belt/Huff
C: Montero < Posey
Kubel is certainly an upgrade offensively to Parra but not by much.
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Kelly Johnson is long gone, dude. John McDonald in yo face!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yeah
I should have made that change but Aaron Hill is not better than Johnson.
You can shift the numbers to the Giants or Dback advantage depending but the lineups are not that far apart.
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I’d say Montero is highly underrated, but Posey is probably better if only marginally so. And 1B is anyone’s guess until we see what we have in Huff this year.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I pretty much set the bar at
Belt > Goldschmidt and Huff = Overbay.
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It depends on how many times Goldschmidt gets to face Tim Lincecum this year. Because then he’s waaaaaaaay better than the scraps the Giants can toss out there.
Yes
sadly true.
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If Huff plays well, Belt’s role is reduced but that loss is mitigated somewhat by the fact that Huff is actually producing.
If Huff plays poorly, hopefully the Giants stick to their word and play Belt instead.
I’m hoping Huff plays well, Melky plays well, Giants trade Melky in July and move Belt to LF. That would be the best case scenario, I think.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Agreed.
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I think Posey is still better than Montero and Belt will be better than Golschmidt.
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Okay
but you forgot about the greatness of Brett Pill
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That’s not really a good way to compare offenses. SS and 1B may well be black holes in the lineup again. If Sanchez goes down again 2B will be a black hole, too. The D’Backs have few, if any, positions of weakness.
Aaron Hill is not even better than Fontenot.
Drew is coming off of a serious injury as well and did not hit well last year. Otherwise, your replacement is Jason MacDonald.
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And so are Posey and Sanchez, but you still say Posey’s better than Montero. Aside from Panda and Posey, the rest of our offensive production looks to be average or below across the board.
Actually
other than Montero, Young, and Upton, the D-back lineup is pretty average to below average.
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Belt is going to be good.
Pagan actually higher career OPS+ than Young but I gave him the nod.
Nate and Melky are average
Crawford is below average to poor offensively.
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I agree except I have zero confidence Belt will play consistently (in the MLB) in 2012. And no Steven Drew is not average.
Career wRC+ of 96.
Career slash of .270/.330/.442.
Career BABIP of .308.
Averages about 2 WAR a season.
Plays a premium defensive position.
I’d take that every goddamn day at SS.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
WAR is position dependent right?
2 oWAR is basically starter level no?
With that said, Drew is very good.
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Adjustments are made based on position. Effectively, it is a crude way of accounting for the fact that offensive and defensive value is harder to come by up the middle than at the corners, though the actual adjustments are based on statistical research.
He’s a league average hitter playing at a low-expectation offensive position. That’s valuable. He’s not Jose Reyes, but he’s the kind of player you want in your lineup.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I should add
that I really like Drew but the guy is pretty inconsistent.
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You significantly undervalue both Roberts and Drew. The only real below average starter they have is Hill.
Eh, Roberts.
His banner year of 2011 was .249/.341/.427. Shouldn’t one expect more out of third base?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Is that not a little above average for a 3B?
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B-R lists is as above the league average (.252/.317/.427) but that strikes me as rather low for a corner infiender. I would make a distinction between “average” which doesn’t seem to have a threshold for PAs, and what you would expect that player to hit.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
If that BABIP heads a little north towards .300, I think he’ll have a solid bat even for what you expect a 3B to hit.
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That's a fair point.
For some reason I thought his career BABIP was closer than that.
That said, I’m still not competely sold on him for some reason, though I can’t place my finger on it. My gut is that if he’s going anywhere it’s down from here, but I have absolutely nothing to back it up other than the fact that he’ll be 32 next year. Maybe it’s just ingrained dislike of him.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
when are you going to wake up?
chris young is a 20/20 waiting to happen and a 4.5 WAR player.
Justin upton is one of the best OF in the MLB
Gerardo parra is a gold glove OF who hits .280
steven drew, john MacDonald, and willie bloomquist are all better than brandon crawford
kelly johnson isnt on the d-backs, but aaron hill is and he has 30hr power. and he has speed…i bet he hits 20hrs and steal 15 bases…and i also bet freddy sanchez doesnt play 130 games this year.
goldschmidt is better than huff and belt. goldschmidt has more power and is in a way better spot to produce RBI’s.
Montero is an above average catcher..is he better than posey no, but he is better than a injured posey who is shaking off the rust.
so all in all the d-backs have the ginats beat in 6 of the 8 positions and the have improved their pitching staff and bullpen….so yeah in no scenario is the giants offense even close to competing against the d-backs. the only hope is that our pitching staff gets lucky.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Corrections
Gerardo Parra is not THAT good. He’s an average-ish player, even with all the added value from defense.
John McDonald, Willie Bloomquist, Aaron Hill, Lyle Overbay, and Paul Goldschmidt are really not that good, either.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
actually
Parra is a very good defender and he put together a .292 /.357 /.427 and he is 24 and he stole 15 bases. lets compare him to the 27 year old nate’s line of .278/.326/.430 he isn’t blowing him out of the water but he is superior.
macdonald & bloomquist are for depth and defensive purposes only and are both better with the stick than Crawford, and MacDonald is probably better with the glove.
Aaron Hill has power and in his brief stint with the d-backs he hit .315 and has the ability to saty on the field for 140+ games a year…i expect him to hit .250 with 20+ hrs and 15+steals.
Goldschmidt who is also 24 has serious power and could easily hit 30 HR’s over the course of a season and by all the indicators in his MiLB career he can hit for average too. yes he K’s often but he also takes BB’s and 18 of his 39 hits during 2011 were for extra bases, which means that the power is real.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
If you put up a .342 BABIP in your best season, and still only slug .400 at an outfield corner, you are not that good.
The entire starting infield for the Toronto Blue Jays does not really warrant comment; they pretty much collectively played over their heads in 2011.
Paul Goldschmidt will crater when people stop throwing him fastballs. The sample sizes you have provided are not indicative of true talent level for, well, any of those players. They probably would have been better off sticking with Brandon Allen.
The actual above average position players on the Diamondbacks are Drew, Upton, Young, and Montero. Period.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
for this conversation
all Parra needs to be is better than nate schierholtz, and he is. he plays better defense and BABIP is not as telling a sign as you might think. there are many players who are built to carry a high BABIP and Parra is one of them. since at every level except 1 (2008) he has a BABIP of .310+ so there goes that point.
John MacDonald basically put up the exact same numbers as always as a D-back and he is strictly a defensive player much like an old brandon crawford if you need a comparison. As for Aaron Hill he is capable of hitting 20 hrs and he is also shown that he can play a full season unlike our current SS.
if you have any doubts about goldschmidt please: http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=goldsc001pau
the guy can hit and has proven it. in fact he looks a lot like brandon belt but with power.
the giants above average position players consist of posey and sandoval and that is it. Period.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
Please see
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/paul-goldschmidts-glowing-projections/
Pagan is above average as is Belt.
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all i see
is that goldschimdt could be the next carlos pena….who would still be better than huff and belt…
“In researching this piece, I stumbled across Carlos Pena‘s career walk and strikeout rates which are almost identical to what Goldschmidt is expected to post next season. With a walk rate of 13.9% and strikeout rate of 26.4% respectively, Pena has posted a career .239/.352/.486 line at the big league level across six organizations and nearly 5,000 plate appearances. At this point, Pena has a legitimate shot at 300 career home runs (258 currently) and 1,000 runs batted in (730 currently) – Not bad for a player many believed was essentially finished as a productive player in his mid-twenties.”
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Belt is going to be a lot better than Pena.
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Goldschmidt projection: .254/.335/.472
Belt projection: .277/.361/.472
Better stats even with Belt playing in a pitcher’s park and Goldschmidt playing in a hitter’s park.
Belt is projected to be one WAR better than Goldschmidt.
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But Belt’s not going to play, so it’s a moot point.
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all of bill james' comps mean nothing.
let stick to reality where only actual numbers and past performance matters.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:14 PM PST up reply actions
Who's Fabio?
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Bill James comps are based on actual numbers. In fact, numbers far more abundant than 200 PAs.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
then how could he ever project
players like golscmidt and crawford and belt? since the only numbers he has are their respective 200PA’s and minor league stats?
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
They are based on the career numbers of other players as well, who have many more PAs on their own than players like Belt and Goldschmidt. Collectively, they are more accurate than 200 PAs and MLEs.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
so then compare
those numbers and let me know which one bill james has projected to have a better 2012. I have a feelling the answer is goldschmidt.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
bill james is notorious
for outlandish predictions. Stick with Zips
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
ZiPS isn't out for Arizona yet, I think.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
i would be willing to use
the fans opinions before bill james
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Sample. Size.
Paul Goldschmidt has yet to demonstrate he can do anything but mash fastballs. He is a bench player until proven otherwise. See also: Guzman, Jesus.
My point about Parra’s OBP is that he hits at a very high clip, but doesn’t walk much or hit for any power. If his OBP does not stay high, he tanks like any BA-dependent player. Note his career road split: .270/.314/.369. Not that good. A fine fit for a spacious OF like Chase Field, but he is not a good hitter, and is well below average for his position. Should the Diamondbacks trade Chris Young, Parra should be playing CF instead of being a poor man’s Brett Gardner.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Is his bat unstoppable?
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by Scooter Ellis on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
that works both ways
lets comp belt and goldschmidt:
belt 2011: 187 AB’s .225 /.306 /.412 with 9 HR’s and 16 XBH
golds 2011: 156 AB’s .250/ .333 /.474 with 8 HR’s and 18 XBH
numbers are numbers and Goldschmidt’s are better.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:22 PM PST up reply actions
so in the same sample size
goldschmidt is better…now lets look at the minors..oh wait goldschmidt has him beat there as well. especially if you like your 1B’s to have power.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
The small sample size doesn't tell us anything, is the point.
Insufficiently large. Inconclusive.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
the more data the better dont get me wrong
but all of the indicators that have gotten us to this point favor goldschmidt.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
I'll trust scouting on this one.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yeah, I’m really blown away by that .407 OBP.
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when its a part of this line its not so bad
.317/.407/.620
the giants best hitter sandoval has a career .357 OBP so .407 looks outstanding.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Wut? They both do.
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Belt? It’s small sample size, but he’s struck out in nearly a quarter of his AAA at bats.
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I know; that’s what I was saying. But he was somewhere in the 15-18% area in 2010. He’s still below 25% for his career. The point I was trying to make was that strikeouts are a huge concern for Goldschmidt while they’re not as big of an issue for Belt.
I would phrase it more in terms of pitch recognition and contact numbers. Belt is better in both respects, particularly in the zone putting the bat on the ball.
If Belt adjusts to the the changeups he keeps getting fed, I think he’ll distance himself quickly.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
belt cannot hit a fastball on the inner half of the plate and has a huge loop in his swing...
obviously you are going to think belt is the superior prospect (after all you are a giants fan) but every single number in both the minors and in the brief MLB debuts indicates that Goldschmidt has been better.
bottom line is that the rest of the NL West is making moves to get better and the Giants are not. We can all hope that there is a breakout year from Belt or Huff bounces back, but what happens if we have one injury to our pitching staff? what happens if we have one injury to sandoval/posey/sanchez? we are in the exact same position as we were in 2011.
Some might even argue that we are worse now in 2012 because we have one less prospect developing in the minors and RF is still being manned by Schierholtz.
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:07 AM PST up reply actions
K%
every single number in both the minors and in the brief MLB debuts indicates that Goldschmidt has been better.
Belt: 27.3
Goldschmidt: 29.9
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that 2.6%
there it is…Belt>Goldschimdt. I have been won over.
11.3% BB vs. 9.6% BB looks like goldscmidt has a higher K rate and a higher Walk rate….goldschmidt also had fewer PA so anything with in 2-5% can change either way.
this is a huge waste of time…the sample sizes are too small to make this truly meaningful so we will of course need more data, but i hope you will all be around on the message boards in the future so we can see how this plays out.
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
I plan to be around. I just thought your statement was a bit of hyperbole and wanted to find something to refute it.
I think we can agree that both players are top prospects in their respective organizations. I just hope the one playing for the Giants ends up the better player.
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me too
but i dont think the giants will let him be the better player. being jerked around is going to stunt his development.
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
"Has been" means nothing when it amounts to 200 PA.
I think Goldschmidt can probably hack it as a solid regular, Belt’s ceiling is just plain higher. None of your skewed arguments are really going to change that; being a Giants fan really has nothing to do with it; I’d take offense to the suggestion, but you can’t even be trusted to capitalize properly, so I’ll give you a pass and chalk it up to you not knowing any better.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Except Belt is rated as much better by scouts, had less CONSISTENT playing time, and had a BABIP 50 points lower than Goldschmidt.
Give each of them 600 PAs in a second full season, and I’ll take Belt 10 times out of 10.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
im not sure you understand BABIP
you realize that it doesnt just mean “luck” right?
players have some control over their BABIP.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:28 PM PST up reply actions
Key word: some.
It is highly unlikely that Belt is a true-talent .270 OBP, especially given his projection as a line-drive hitter. A regression on his part to even league-average makes him equal if not superior to Goldschmidt.
I also don’t buy that Goldschmidt is a true-talent .320 BABIP guy.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
compare and contrast
here are bill james’ projections for each belt and golds.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=9218&position=1B
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10264&position=1B/OF
golschmidt still wins. lets just face it. Belt is an inferior prospect to Goldschmidt and the numbers both in the minors and projected favor goldschmidt.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't need to face anything.
More than ever, you can’t get by in this league if you can’t hit breaking pitches.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Goldschmidt is a legit prospect.
Anyone saying otherwise hasn’t followed his career, scouting reports, or watched him play.
That said I think Belt will have the more successful career. Still, that doesn’t do much for the Giants now considering Belt will almost certainly be on the bench or in AAA for a large portion of the season.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
Eh. Fangraphs agrees with me that he can’t do much with anything that isn’t a fastball, and scouts have always pointed out that he’s limited defensively and has zero speed. He was not even a top ten prospect in the organization until 2011.
I have my reasons to remain skeptical on him; watching him tee off on Lincecum hasn’t really changed that.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
KLaw also loves to shit on Goldschmidt, whereas he has a man-crush on Belt.
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papblo sandoval wasnt a top ten prospect
being a top 10 prospect means almost nothing.
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:11 AM PST up reply actions
It is meaningful when you refer to “anyone who has followed his career.”
He was more or less entirely off the radar until 2011. Nnamdi will have to pardon me for note burying my nose up the butthole of the 8th round and not acting like he’s the second come of Mark Reynolds. Speaking of which, let’s call that his ceiling: Mark Reynolds.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
come on man no reason to get upset.
We are all Giants fans here. The point I was making was that he has hit everywhere he has played.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 20, 2011 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Then say that, instead of
“Anyone saying otherwise hasn’t followed his career, scouting reports, or watched him play.”
or
“You have to be insane to believe the Giants offense is as good as the Diamonbacks. I’m sorry there just isn’t any other logical explanation.”
Talk like that is pretty amateur.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Also, let's play the GiantPain game:
High minor lines:
2007: .301/.370/.539
2008: .349/.404/.545
2009: .321/.379/.507
2010: .321/.376/.510
2011: .332/.423/.529
2011 in the majors: .312/.369/.478
Name that player.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
jeebus
finally someone here is willing to acknowledge goldschmidt’s legitimacy as a prospect.
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:08 AM PST up reply actions
Are you Goldschmidt’s mom or something? Belt hits for more contact, walks more, has more speed on the basepaths, and is a premium defender.
except for
belt has a lower BA in more attempts, has a lower BB rate, has less SB’s in more attempts, and is without a position. so yeah he is premium bench defender. also goldschmidt has a higher fielding %
sure i think belt can be better at all the things you mentioned, but right now he hasnt been. we can all “hope like hell” he reaches his potential but if he doesnt we are a weaker team.
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"This argument is irrelevent"
/continues arguing
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Literally none of those things you mentioned are true. Unless you’re citing both of their minuscule sample sizes in the majors, which would be silly. He’s not without a position. He was blocked by Huff, whom we had already tried in the outfield with horrendous results. He’s a plus defender at first and probably an okay OF. Goldschmidt is a clank-mitt 1B. And fielding percentage means nothing.
Show some numbers before making claims like that. That whole first paragraph was just ridiculous.
Parra also plays in a hitters’ park while Nate plays in a home park. That’s why the OPS+ lines are very similar.
MacDonald is projected to hit .230/.266/ .320 and Crawford is projected to hit .232/.297/.340 (Bill James).
As for Hill, Giants know all about resurgent players with their half-season of stats. Hill is projected to have a slash line of .258/.320/.386 and Sanchez is projected to hit .294/.337/.384.
Goldschmidt is very similar to Brett Pill. Big hackers
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macdonlad is a backup and crawford is a starter
do you see the difference?
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
Sure
Drew is definitely a better player. But to say that he is a good player is stretching it. Also, the dude is 37 and had an OPS+ of 56 last year and has a career OPS+ of 59.
Crawford in his first 220 PAs in the MLB had a OPS+ of 66.
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to say that MacDonald is a good player.
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never said he was a good player
all i said was is that he was better than crawford.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
He's not.
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except for the numbers
.229/.269/.308 >.204/.288/.296
sure crawford can improve and i hope he does, but he is no where near as good as stephen drew and he is comparable to john McDonald who is viewed by almost anyone as being a glove only player.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
You understand the concept of OPS+?
Cuz Crawford beats MacDonald by quite a lot (surprisingly)
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i do
do you understand that right now you are trying to compare our starting SS with a guy who is a career defensive replacement? can you see how that is just a foolish comparison? especially if you think crawford is actually good. 12 year back-up vs. projected starter and offensive producer?
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 5:24 PM PST up reply actions
“all i said was is that he was better than crawford.”
Their roles are irrelevant, you made a direct comparison aka. who is the better player? It’s not who fits their role best…
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in 2012 i have a strrong feeling
that if both mcdonald and crawford played the exact same amount of time mcdonald woul dbe superior in both the field and at the plate. this is just my opinion and i certainly hope that i am wrong. however crawford has given me no reason to be optimistic. sure he is young and he has time on his side, but the guy is completely loist at the plate…as indicated by his weak ground ball rates and his infield fly ball ratios.
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:16 AM PST up reply actions
I think you're the one who's completely lost, bro.
The ESPN boards are over that way.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Dec 20, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Pagan was a 3.3 and 5.1 WAR player in 2008 and 2009 respectively. He actually has a career higher OPS+ than Young. Young was better player last year.
Upton is awesome
Parra is Nate…great glove and average hitter. The two has about the same OPS+ (94 v. 95)
John McDonald, Willie Bloomquist, are Lyle Overbay are pretty bad. Hill has a really good 2009 but had a 0.8 oWAR in 2010 and -0.6 oWAR in 2011 before being traded.
Goldschmidt can be good but I think Belt can be better.
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John McDonald and Willie Bloomquist aren't starting.
Why is that concept so hard to grasp? You are comparing Brandon Crawford to the Diamondback back ups. Do you see the problem there?
You have to be insane to believe the Giants offense is as good as the Diamonbacks. I’m sorry there just isn’t any other logical explanation.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
this.
point. and case. boom!
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by James Westfall on Dec 20, 2011 9:13 AM PST up reply actions
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by Sabean's_Folly on Dec 19, 2011 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm Jeremy Affeldt's wife
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by djfivenine on Dec 19, 2011 1:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Glass always half empty
Sabean always tries to squeeze value out of guys with chinks in their armor. But man we got a 4 WAR outfielder last year and he is the butt of jokes.
MCC- Optimism free zone.
Blerg
and
Crawford is awful but Matt Downs is great.
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Mostly because that 4 WAR came out of the blue
It isn’t like Melky was throwing up 4 WAR seasons over a long period of time. Last year was a fluke. A buy high in the classic sense.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
And yet
Torres is primed to make a recovery.
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I am trying to play nice with you
Please point out where I said that or shut the fuck up. Thanks.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
My bad
the comment is not meant to be at you directly.
I’ll apologize for the snark.
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by ResDog on Dec 19, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Torres’ defense alone makes him a 2 WAR player; he’s a 4th or 5th OF any way you slice it. Melky Cabrera doesn’t play good enough defense to play CF, and doesn’t hit enough to play a corner. He’s a 4th OF in a good year.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I guess it depends on how he hits this year
I get the negativity but to say that there is no upside to Melky is unfair.
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If he needs a .332 BABIP to hit his peak, or .315 to be a 2 WAR player, then I’ll take the under.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
BUT THATS JUST A GOOD YEAR FOR MELKY
Whereas Torres one awesome year was a fluke!
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I never said the Melky was going to be great…I just expect him to be a 2-2.5 oWAR player.
Also, Torres was 32 when he posted the year, Melky was 26.
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angel pagan, melky cabrera, andres torres
they are all the exact same player. they are #4 OF on most respectable teams and they all have exactly 1 good year to their credit. The Giants have the worst offensive team in the NL aside from maybe the Astros and maybe the Padres.
but there is one thing that nobody counted on…HOPE…so lets hope like hell posey and panda hit 30 HR’s while batting .320 and let hope huff can play like 34 year old not coming off a career worst season and lets hope that the Giants figure out that there is a 3 year window where winning another WS is a realistic thing and that wasting that 3 years trading for pagan and cabrera and players of that ilk will only make things worse.
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by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Okay
then we should just blow up the roster because the pitching staff can’t still be good.
Pagan is whole lot better than you think
Melky is the unknown guy but better than 2010 Cody Ross, Huff, or Burrell.
It’s not hope, it’s reasonable expectations.
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Also
I’m sure the signing of Crawford or Werth last year would have solved the Giants’ problems.
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Don't quote defense to CalBear
He doesn’t believe in it.
oWAR or bust!
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That's just not true
Melky has been average according to UZR/150.
Also, we’re talking about lineup so the offensive numbers are most relevant.
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He’s been average in the corners, and below-average in CF. So it is still relevant because you have to replace a LF’s production for Cabrera to be relevant, which is a much higher bar for him.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
1) No one really knows if 2011 was a fluke for Melky or not. Just like people fear Panda’s 2009 was a fluke. If he can put up 2.0-2.5 oWAR, I will take that on a cheap one year contract. Even if we sign Beltran, he is projected to put up 2.5-3.0 because of injury concerns.
2) It will be better than what we got last year.
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Melky’s been a regular in the majors for 6 full seasons and has a career 93 wRC+. How does that compare to Sandoval who in 3+ years has a 125 wRC+?
MY DAD WAS WRONG!
MY BOY NEEDS TO THROW HARDER!
Just talking about the fitness thing.
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We have more than a couple years of MLB level data for Melky. It was reasonable to think Panda could regress because he was the new kid who came out of nowhere and swung at everything.
and because he was incredibly out of shape.
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It is the stated position of management that Huff will be at or near 2010 levels because of his conditioning. As they have said it, so he believes it.
I don't believe that either
I would like to see when I have ever said that.
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I didn’t say you said that. I stated that you believe whatever they say. That was an inference based on all comments you have ever made about the Giants that I have read.
I don't believe in most comments made by the Giants
Conversely, every comment made by the Giants is deemed to be untrue or a lie by many.
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LOL "most comments" being the converse of "every comment".
And then, in other cases, their public statements concerning player evaluations and projections related to player performances don’t merit serious consideration.
Of course
every team says great things about their acquisitions.
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I think the FO is basing it on the assumption he laid off the Budweiser and Marlboro over the off-season. I also have a feeling they’ll (based on…..?) that he’ll be on a much shorter leash this year than last
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
This will be a fun “Aubrey Huff Death Pool” to start. If he is dead from the onset of the season, I say he makes it through June anyway.
Even if he's walking dead, Botchee will give him until August 29th to "come around".
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by Sabean's_Folly on Dec 19, 2011 6:01 PM PST up reply actions
I don't put a lot of faith
but it’s a data point.
ZIPs has him at .284/.330/.435 with an 106 OPS+. I will take that
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I’d rather just play Nate Schierholtz and Brandon Belt.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
which can still happen
with Belt at 1B and Nate in OF.
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Huff’s going to play one way or the other, at least to begin with. Of the three, Cabrera is the one least likely to put up a .330/.435.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
maybe
but there is also indications that Huff will have a short leash this year.
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Also, Nate Schierholtz and Brandon Belt combined will make less than half of what Cabrera will. His only real value is as a trade piece.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Which means that we traded one modestly valuable trade piece for another modestly (or sub-modestly) valued trade piece.
I trust the Giants got the most that they could for Sanchez. The key is now trading him for something useful.
I will start holding out hope now that he is at least modestly useful, and gets shipped out at the trade deadline for a decent RHH or prospect or two. Replacing him full time with Schierholtz or Belt really won’t cost the team much, if any, production, and will save them money for another pickup.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
But why then not just trade Sanchez for prospects (even middling ones) and then use the money to sign Beltran now?
Hell if I know.
Though I find it funny that everyone is clamoring for Beltran, whereas pre-2010 everyone would be saying “damn Sabean and his creaky vets!” I think he’s a great player, but that’s totally where we’d be.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That’s a fair point. The truth is that the two biggest (addressable) holes in the offense were SS and RF. The SS market was horrible and while there are more options in RF, none of them is perfect. Still, all things being equal, I would vastly prefer either Nate/Belt or Beltran to Melky.
In a way, Pujols screwed us over. If he had re-signed with the Cards, we likely could have gotten one or both of Furcal and Beltran.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Giants had spent all their money WELL BEFORE Pujols left STL.
And I don’t think it would’ve been THAT easy to trade Sanchez for prospects. Mainly because Sabean doesn’t usually make those kinds of trades and because of the economics of baseball, trading arb players for arb players makes a lot more sense.
Yes, but the market would be more limited for both players if the Cardinals were not in play.
If Beltran were commanding $9M instead of $12.5, or if Furcal was making $5M instead of $7M, maybe the Giants make a surprise move. Much as we like to pretend how the payroll is being budgeted, we really have no idea.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I still think
Beltran is going to the AL.
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Well, okay, this is a good point. I no zilch about negotiations (which is why I’m going to be a secretary for the rest of my life), but if the guy with all the money is saying he has no more money to spend, how is he helping his negotiating position?
If the Giants suddenly try to make a deal with Beltran after making all these public statements, won’t the agent assume that the Giants have even more money than they’re offering?
If the Giants are negotiating with the agent while proclaiming publicly that they have no more money, then won’t the player view that negatively? For one, that signing with them could mean he could’ve gotten more elsewhere and, too, that a team that just lies is probably not that great an organization to begin with? Help me out here.
I see it this way: As the market stood when Sabean claimed they were done, the Giants had no way of signing either. He said Beltran was “a stretch.” Since then, Beltran’s market has shrunk considerably, and there have not been many SS moves. If Pujols stays, as I said before, their market shrinks further.
Fast forward to now. Sabean is probably still keeping his ear to the ground, since that’s what teams are doing this time of year. Looking for non-roster invitees, non-tenders, and FAs who can’t get a nibble. If Beltran or Furcal is still hanging out there without a decent offer, maybe Sabean goes to the ownership group and says, "Remember how Beltran was going to cost $12 million, and Fucal $7 or 8 million? Well, they’re down to 8 and 5. We can get good value for two or three years, and patch holes with the savings and money when we make the damn playoffs.
And maybe, just maybe, Sabean convinces them to stretch the wallet because you have to spend money to make money. I’m not saying it’s particularly likely, but Pujols leaving shut that door more or less entirely since the Cardinals apparently paced the market on both players.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This
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Furcal signed for 2 years/14 million but the Cardinals still have tons of money to spend.
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Can't tell if this is sarcastic or not.
But Pujols’ departure did the Giants no favors, unlikely as the scenario may have been.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I was going to say…
If you look at years with BABIP of .330 or higher vs. those where he does not, Aaron Rowand is a pretty damn good comp to Cabrera.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yes. Except he doesn’t even provide the defense of Rowand.
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BABIP and fWAR by year:
2005: .235, -0.4
2006: .309, 1.7
2007: .297, 0.5
2008: .271, 0.1
2009: .288, 1.6
2010: .288, -1.0
2011: .332, 4.2
Career: .298, 6.8
One of these things is not like the other.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Was just about to post this
People have facts to back up these jokes.
Same with Crawford.
It’s not being “optimism-free” it’s being a realist. What you’re trading in is blind optimism. Something that is foolish
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Caveat
Crawford was 24 last year. Melky was three years older, and has a much larger body of ML experience, which makes him much easier to project.
My disclaimer, as always, is that Crawford is very unlikely to hit, but given his age and inexperience, I feel one can hold out a bit more hope.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Caveat to the caveat: Crawford has never once put up a minor league line that made me think he’d even be able to have an 85 wRC+ bat in the majors.
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His minor league line is pretty sloppy for a number of reasons. How much time has he played healthy above A+? Not all that much, really.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s almost certainly small sample shenanigans, but it was amusing to me that his wRC+ was so much lower in AAA this year than the majors.
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Regardless of how he might have hit in the AFL,
I am hoping it did him some good.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Hopefully he gave his wife a cow when he got married. Good things happened the last time that happened.
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Why is it hard to understand why people are skeptical of Melky
Last season: 4.2 WAR
Rest of career (5 full seasons): 1.2 WAR.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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BUT TORRES!!!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
2009-present
Torres: 109 OPS+
Melky: 101 OPS+
And one’s a GG quality defender.
(I know you were being facetious.)
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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My point is that
Torres had basically one fluke year of production followed up by one bad year. Melky had a really good year last year but the negativity has him at awful.
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BUT MOST INFORMATIVE
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So...
He’ll be worth 7.2 WAR in the next 32 games?!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
That’s how I have it figured.
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by Sabean's_Folly on Dec 19, 2011 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
Yes there isa chance he could regress
There is also a chance at 27 years old and in better shape he could do it again.
He also put up a higher WAR than Torres, Ross and Burrel combined last year, who were supposed to be our opening day OF.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
This
Coming off of the success of Operation Panda, I would like to think the fitness thing would be more convincing.
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My main point
was 0 optimism for anyone who is not bullet proof. Pagan is a good player too. I am optimistic for 9-12 WAR out of the OF, should Huff actually contribute.
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by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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The Giants got 7.9 WAR out of their outfield last year
The plurality of that, 2.1, came from…
Andres Torres.
Another 1.2?
Carlos Beltran.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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Yea
We could have got Kubel. There is always worse than hoping a 27 year old coming off a 4 WAR year is a late bloomer and trusting his biggest hurdle was being in shape.
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by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
Why do u continuously ignore his obscenely high BABIP
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ZiPS says 4th best OBP projected on team.
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by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
That's not an answer
But cool
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Decent 2 or 6 spot hitter
Bare minimum 5 spot hitter. Posey and Panda expected to hit 3 and 4. Reasonable RF defense.
He was not going to be a great CF, but he is better than in house options and I suppose Beltran was never realistic, now that we know the depths of the RDF coffers that need to be filled.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
He’s not very good, but he was better last year than last year’s batch of collective underachievers, and it was apparently the best we could do because of thing we don’t actually know much about in any concrete terms.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Trolling?
Unless your Bob Evans, I’m pretty sure you don’t know jack squat about the RDF coffers, much less how Torres and Cabrera will hit next year.
Of Torres, Ross, Burrell, Huff, Belt, and Schierholtz, Cabrera probably has the lowest true talent level of everyone on that list except maybe Nate.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I think you fell in.
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thats fine
you can rate players however you want to. Don’t block text quote me and mock what I said, that is total lack of respect for me and my opinion. I’m not responding to anything else you say here.
Good day.
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by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Uh, okay.
This is a very technical cause for personal affront.
The key point was that I tend to put more stock in opinions that are qualified with some manner of supporting data. ZiPS projecting him as a league average hitter, and therefore below average for his position, isn’t really that, and “the depths of the RDF coffers” continues to be blindly speculative and the scapegoat du jour.
If I wanted to be rude, there would be a lot more “herp derp” as far as blockquoting is concerned. Calm down.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
LOL LOL LOL
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by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 19, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
If you think Melky is going to have a .332 BABIP.
Which he would have to do to be as good as last year, then I just can’t help you
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so if he became a 2.5-3 oWAR player, it would be a bad trade?
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Him being a 2.5-3 oWAR player not terribly more likely than Torres doing the same, and Torres’ defensive value is greater and more predictable. So, no.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
?
Torres will be 34 and had an equally flukish year in 2010 as Cabrera.
Torres got a 3.1 oWAR in 2010 when even went perfect.
I would say that Cabrera would have a higher chance of getting to 2.5 oWAR than Torres.
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Torres was consistently good from 2008-2010. You just are choosing to ignore that.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I’m not, but there is certainly a higher chance that a player who is 34 is coming down from a high slope rather than someone who is 27.
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If you’re not ignoring it, then you wouldn’t be calling it a fluke. 3 years != fluke.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Torres spent the entire 2008 year in the minors putting a slash of .306/.391/.501 in the PCL. Pill put up 312/.341/.530.
Torres put up very good number in 170 PAs in 2009 and had another very good year in 2010 with a full season. Then he tanked in 2011. Basically he had 1.5 very good seasons followed up one poor season. He will be 34 in 2012, there is a very serious chance that he will be the same in 2012 as he was in 2011.
He also has a longer history prior to 2008 but I will ignore those the time being.
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That actually seems like a pretty decent translation from MLEs if you ask me. You’re just choosing to discount it because it doesn’t fit your hypothesis.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
actually
it plays no relevance to my hypothesis which is that Torres is not likely to rebound at age 34 and that he had a fluky 2009-2010 year.
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AND 2008
Which you continue to blithely ignore. Say it with me: Not. Fluky.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Others have pointed this out already, but Torres’s defense was so good last year that despite tanking in 2011, he was still worth 2.1 WAR and is projected by fangraphs to be worth 3.3 in 2012. Fangraphs projects Melky to be worth 1.6 WAR in 2012.
The defense making up for the lack of bat argument only works with Crawford (probably because he’s younger).
Nope
because the SS market is expensive and hard to gauge.
Also, Pagan is Torres’ replacement in the field, not Melky.
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I just don't understand why he thinks he can just ignore Melkys terrible defense
Torres awesome defense is a large part of our value. It’s why he was still worth 2.1 fWAR last year.
Good for third on the team out of position players behind Beltran and Pablo.
It’s about looking at the complete player.
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According to UZR/150, Melky’s career UZR/150 is -4.8, with -0.5 in LF, -7.3 in CF, and 1.5 in RF. Far from terrible.
Besides, Pagan’s acquistion buffers the loss of Torres defensively. Melky’s defense would be better than either Burrell or Beltran.
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That's pretty terrible.
When your ceiling is average in a corner, you’d better be a consistently above-average hitter.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
THIS
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I was going to make a Gerardo Parra comp to demonstrate how above average defense can keep you afloat when you underachieve as a hitter at your position, but holycrapcareerBABIPof.338. Stupid-ass Chase Field.
In 2011, Parra BABIP’d at .342, put up a UZR of 9.8 in LF, and was still only worth 2.8 WAR. Why? Because he doesn’t hit like a corner outfielder. Cabrera only out OPS’d him by 25 points last year, with worse defense. And unlike Parra, Cabrera is not fast and doesn’t play in a hitters park, so a .330 BABIP is not really sustainable.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Sure
the point is that Melky needs to hit well to be a corner outfielder. The question is whether or not he can sustain it as a Giant.
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the point is. Melky Cabrera was NOT
a clear upgrade over what we already had. They then traded Torres and Ramon Ramirez for a younger version of Torres.
These are called LATERAL MOVES. They are not moves you make to greatly improve of team, instead they are used to fill holes to set up bigger moves. Except with the Giants no bigger move is expected to come.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:52 PM PST up reply actions
Melky Cabrera is an upgrade over Ross, an non-existent Burrell, and Huff.
I rather than a younger version of Torres than Torres.
What teams have “vastly” improved…certainly not the Yankees, the Red Sox, Rangers, Cardinals, Braves, Phillies, Tigers or Diamondbacks
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I'm talking about
2010 production.
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LOL
I also love that he’s commenting on teams that all won more games than the Giants.
And none of those teams had the worst offense in baseball.
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But
all of them have weaknesses that they need to fill but have not done so.
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the difference being
they are willing to fill those holes. The Giants aren’t.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
He thinks not addressing your #4 starter
Is the equivalent of not upgrading the worst offense in baseball.
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?
Yankees have huge holes in the rotation but refused to spend more money
RS have huge holes in their rotation, bullpen, and RF and have not spent money.
Braves are busy giving away their SPs and signed up for another year of Glaus.
Rangers didn’t even make an offer to CJ Wilson.
Phillies overspent on a closer and let go of Oswalt.
Diamondbacks spent $20+ M on Kubel and a bunch of MIs.
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the yankees and red sox
can’t add more due to the luxury tax.
oh and the rangers will most likely get darvish now
as someone else mentioned all those teams were ALREADY better than the giants.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
The Yankees and the Red Sox could certainly spend more money if they wanted to- it was all up to how much they wanted to spend on the tax. Either way, it’s their choice and something they could afford.
As for the Rangers, you could argue that if they spent more money on pitching, they’d have won at least this year’s WS, the Phillies offense is getting older and worse by the year, and the Braves were last seen being beaten by the Giants in the 2010 NLDS and haven’t done much since.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
they traded for uggla.
But I see your point.
Going over the tax has more consequences now with the new CBA. I understand that they could go higher but they aren’t exactly in the same situation as the Giants who are well under that amount.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 20, 2011 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
Thats what happens when your team has a deal with Satan. His contract clause allows him access to team equipment. Vroom vroom!
TGWTWS...there isn't much else that needs to be said
The high school football team had a deal with Satan?
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I can't stop laughing at that.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 19, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
You know that for the rest of his life, his friends are going to loop that on the TV every time he comes over.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 19, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
The dude that caught up to it has excellent closing speed
VROOOOM!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 2:26 PM PST up reply actions
Beltran update
Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal 1m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Wherever Beltran lands, his salary figures to be in Berkman/A. Ramirez/D. Ortiz range – $12M to $12.5M per on two- or three-year deal. #MLB
Yah we aren’t signing him
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Hard to believe that when no one seems interested…
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
2 years at 24 mil would be a steal
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fair, maybe. steal? guess it depends on his health is more like last year and less like the previous 2 years.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
The fact that you can get Beltran for the same money as Berkman or Ortiz makes me think someone is going to get a great deal. Of the three, he is the only one I would want.
Pretty obvious that teams doubt he’ll be able to stay healthy. It sure can’t be for his on field performance, although I’ve also heard rumors that he might be selfish.
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Zack Wheeler update
Mets (A+): 27 IP, 10.33 K/9, 1.67 BB/9, 0.00 HR/9, 1.68 FIP
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Sorry, that was meant to be more tongue-in-cheek.
A+ ball, and all that.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
There was a great article about Wheeler’s stats not being that great. The other person of note that made it was Ubaldo.
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Except scouts love Wheeler. He is basically a top 30 prospect at this point.
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ridiculous
How the fuck could you trade the best pitching prospect in the league for a 100% rental player. If the Giants had no intention of resigning Beltran from the beginning, why the hell would they make that trade?
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
organization*, not league.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:33 PM PST up reply actions
this is true.
this team is pissing me off
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Baer is just being told what to do by the ownership committee, specifically Charles Johnson.
I’m guessing Neukom would have made available the money needed to sign Beltran but I don’t think they were betting on doing so. I don’t think they thought that highly of Zack Wheeler.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
but Tim Alderson!
I will give FO/Tidrow the benefit of the doubt on which pitchers to keep in the system.
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Me too.
But I… well… let’s just see what happens with Beltran. It certainly looks like he’s not coming back to San Francisco. If he doesn’t, and the reason is because the Giants were never serious about re-signing him, then it’s still a bad move, because you make that trade thinking that in the back of your mind or down on the list of plans, the team has at least a chance to re-sign him. If they don’t even bother, though… it’s just poor planning and gut-level decision-making at its worst.
I think that when the trade was made, there was some assurances that there would be money to sign Beltran at but with the exiting of Neukom, the plans have changed.
Again, Sabean has repeatedly thrown the ownership under the bus about the lack of money which makes me think that he wants Beltran back but the ownership is not giving him any extra money.
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That could very well be a significant reason why the Giants aren’t in on Beltran, however, they did spend a considerable chunk of the money that was available to them this off season on two left-handed relievers and almost half a million dollars on Eli Whiteside.
And a million dollars on Guillermo Mota
And Melkys 4-6 mil major league salary instead of trading Sanchez for prospects
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That might’ve been more difficult to accomplish than we imagine, but perhaps a savvier GM might’ve been able to pull it off.
I was hoping for the Giants to trade for Colin Cowgill personally.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 20, 2011 12:55 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean has repeatedly thrown the ownership under the bus about the lack of money
I would guess this is Sabean covering his own ass for when the Giants once again miss the postseason next year.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
One rarely preserves their job by throwing their bosses under the bus.
That’s some Keyser Soze shit right there.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
He just got an extension. He’s in the clear for a couple more years. Ownership needs him to be the punching bag and scapegoat for when the team fails to make the postseason the next couple of seasons.
Also, see J Edgar Hoover. He knew everybody’s secrets, so nobody fucked with him. LOL Sabean knows the Giants secrets going back to the steroids era.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Getting an extension does not make him immune to getting fired. It just means he gets paid either way.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well he knows they aren’t going to fire him right after giving him an extension. The guaranteed money would probably make it easier to speak out as he knows he’ll have financial security.
I think Sabean understands the situation well. He knows what he can and can’t get away with.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
You are missing my point, again.
Throwing the owners under the bus serves no purpose. He doesn’t get re-hired by the fans, he gets re-hired by the owners.
Even if he knows what he can get away with, throwing his bosses under the boss does not grant him any leverage with regards to job security.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It does serve a purpose
He’s letting it be known to the media and the general public that the owners are hamstringing his ability to sign the players he feels he needs to put a postseason contender on the field.
He’s preemptively covering his own ass for when he anticipates he’ll be blamed for the Giants failures.
He wont be general managing for the Giants forever. He’s looking towards the day he doesn’t get extended, which may only be till his new contract runs out.
He probably had a relationship with Neukom based on trust and understanding. He no longer has that with his new bosses, the ownership committee.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
And owners will leap at the opportunity to sign a guy who has a history of torching his bosses? The logic doesn’t exactly follow.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I never said ownership will want to extend him again after his contract runs out.
His bosses are probably greedy fucks who see him as expendable. They are just using him for a few more seasons while they collect World Series money and look for his replacement. When the revenue starts to dry up and the Giants have put together a couple of disappointing seasons, they’ll hire someone else.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 6:07 PM PST up reply actions
And I never specified Giants’ ownership. It’s not like this is happening in a black box; every other owner in the sport has access to this stuff.
And I’m going to ignore everything after “probably,” since we have next to nothing to go on.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I don’t understand why Sabean would jeopardize his chances of getting hired by another team.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 6:23 PM PST up reply actions
Because someone who blames shit on his boss is likely to do it again.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Sabean has been general manager of the Giants since 1996. You’d think that they’d have gotten rid of him a long time ago if he had a problem with criticizing his bosses.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
This seems like pretty ad hoc logic.
Either that, or you just don’t understand what I am trying to convey.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well it appears you don’t understand what I’m trying to say. So maybe we should leave it at that.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
What I can gather is
Sabean is covering his ass by complaining about ownership, but this will not impact his desirability to other teams that might hire him despite the fact that is complaining about ownership because he does not have a history of complaining about ownership until now.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
As much as that makes sense
Nuekom is gone. Baer and the RDF are in. The direction before Baer is irrelevant now, we are on the course he drives us.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Oh, good.
We’re firmly back in the last of blind speculation now.
I can name that tune in one note.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I really think there was a belief that they were going to re-sign him but then the shakeup with Neukom changed that.
Sabean has thrown the ownership under the bus a couple of time of the lack of money to sign Beltran.
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Because it’s sometimes worth a gamble to make the playoffs. If Beltran would have led the team into the playoffs and won a series, the Wheeler trade wouldn’t have stung so much
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 19, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Psssh....
or you might be Jeremy Affeldt’s wife
C’mon, the stoked & wealthy person to be in 2012 is Affeldt’s butcher!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 19, 2011 2:38 PM PST reply actions
Ha!
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 19, 2011 2:41 PM PST up reply actions
OMG BUSTER AND FREDDY!!!!!
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
“Our lineup will be pretty damn good just because of that”
No Brian, it really really won’t.
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by Nnamdi Asomugha on Dec 19, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
CF: 30+ base-stealer
2B: Batting Champion
3B: .300 hitter
C: Rookie of the Year
1B: Gritty Gamer
LF: Run Producer
RF: Doesn’t Matter Because of 1-6
SS:Doesn’t Matter Because of 1-6
P: Doesn’t Matter Because of 1-6
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Best shape of their lives...!
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Am I the only one concerned about the possibility of Posey’s offense slowing a bit from 2010 levels, even putting the injury concerns aside?
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
Even if Buster has a year like he did last year (.100+ OPS drop from 2011).
he would still be a 3.5-4.0 oWAR guy (1.0 oWAR in 185 PAs)
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I wont be surprised if it happens
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- SF GIants Baseball 2011 = *sigh* Home of 6 World Series Titles
- SF 49ers Football 2011-2012 = ??? Home of the 5.5 Super Bowl Champs ( Aaron Rodgers should of been a Niner)
- WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US???? NOOOOOOOOOOBODYY!!!!!!!!!!!!
- A fan of the Warriors and Lakers.
I spent much of the 2009 offseason trying to get people to have realistic expectations and then 2010 happened. He’ll get no more from me.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
He was hitting for power pretty over his head in 2010. 2011 was pretty hard to gauge, but you will NEVER hear me complaining about a .370+ OBP out of a catcher. Never.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It’s more likely that his bat falls into the category of “really good for a catcher” like in 2010 than “holy shit wtf” like in 2011.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
2010 and 2011 should be switched there
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I can't tell if Sabes knows he's BSing
Or if he actually believes his own bullshit
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I don’t think Lozano would bite on a club option unless the buyout were huge. It would have to be a mutual option, but more probably a player option.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This
one of the reasons why Huff got $11 million in 2011 and 2012 is because of that club option
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I wish I had heard about these earlier. Much of my Christmas card list would have been more impressed with these than with what I actually got.
(hat tip to delorean)
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2011 3:16 PM PST reply actions
Arrrghh!!! SPIDERS!!!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 19, 2011 3:28 PM PST up reply actions
GOD DAMN THIS ASSHOLE
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Ben Roethlisberger, wearing one gold and one black shoe, is limping onto the field to go through pregame routine.
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And the 49ers will still refuse to rush more than 4 at him.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
The Niners are frankly better when they only rush four.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Maybe
But a gimp QB is something different. I would press coverage and blitz like a mofo until Ben shows he can burn you for it. Also, cover the damn RB if you blitz.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 19, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
I would argue that a better game plan last week would have been to blitz more against a quarterback of Skelton’s calibur.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
GOOD
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And just like that Roethlisberger goes limping back to Steelers locker room.
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I was hoping that Big Ben insisted on playing with that limp.
a 100% Charlie Batch is better than a 50% Big Ben imo.
According to Rotoworld
Steelers OC Bruce Arians indicated that Dennis Dixon would only play in the event of a Charlie Batch injury if Ben Roethlisberger (ankle) sits out on Monday.
Nope
Charlie Batch
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The 49ers have 99 problems
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
Being a Ravens fan, I can assure you that is not true. Does not matter anyway...
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Roethlisberger left field, then came back to throw, and looks good to go — even though he looks like he’s wearing one ski boot
They will shoot him up so full of pain killers he won’t even know where he is playing. The 9ers just have to get to him early and often.
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Niners still lose 17-13.
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2 FGs and one running TD.
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LOL TD
5 FGs
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sold
at 17-16
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Niiiiice.
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You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Also easier to keep track of the Ham Fighters now
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Another OF we need but won't be in on. Joy!
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What good friend @Enrique_Rojas1 is reporting: Cespedes has established residency in D.R., and the bidding can begin soon.
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The Giants signed left-hander Brian Burres to a minor league deal that includes an invitation to Spring Training, MLBTR has learned. San Francisco drafted Burres in the 31st round of the 2000 draft, but the 30-year-old has never played for the Giants at the MLB level.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
and someone said we were jogging in place! hahahaah
this guy is the next vogelsong
Ride the tiger...You can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
by James Westfall on Dec 19, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions
Did he play in Japan?
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He played for the Pirates the last two season.
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 19, 2011 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
He's a lefty!
Gotta collect them all
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THE MISSING PIECE!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
All is saved.
The Giants announced that they signed infielder Emmanuel Burriss to a one-year Major League contract. The team also confirmed the signing of catcher Eli Whiteside to a one-year, Major League deal.
It will buy you throws into center field!
My adopted son, Brandon Crawford. Dude hits grand slams and plays defense.
so that’s what the RDF was for! It all makes sense.
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by UnleashTheGore on Dec 19, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
Nice work as always Grant. I was going to say the division is more like
Monty Python’s Upper Class Twit of the Year competition* but this is much better.
Padres seem only team moving forward instead of sideways. And Ned Colletti won’t be the Dodgers GM in one year so you’d think he’d be trying to do more for the ol’ resume. (I’ll see your Burris and Burres and raise you one John Grabow!)
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And Ned Colletti won’t be the Dodgers GM in one year so you’d think he’d be trying to do more for the ol’ resume.
Agent Ned has done what he was put there to do.
The first six innings are overrated.
Haha. Just hope Sabean doesn't step down this time next year
or a certain former assistant will be available. Timing will be everything!
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LOL Giants
Sabean signs Burress, then Burriss. He’s just fucking with us now, isn’t he? Who’s next? Plaxico?
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Amanda Bearse
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
It's to go along with his Cabrera and Sanchez collections
Everything is making sense now. Sabes has Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, or more commonly known as The OC Disorder.
The first six innings are overrated.
Major-league free agents signed this winter
- Javier Lopez
- Guillermo Mota
- ?
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
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Looks like the 49ers will be having a road home game. Seems to be a ton of douchy Steelers fans from the looks of it.
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I’d been hearing people on KNBR today saying that there were tons of Steelers fans in the City.
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Yeah, I saw a lot of Steeler gear downtown as I walked around this afternoon. A lot of Worthlessburger jerseys.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2011 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
And they will all be waving those stupid Terrible Towels.
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So this will be like the Cowboys game?
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Worse because Steelers fans are more smug
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also probably worse because lotsa people have time off this week so probably even more of the little rat bastards than usual will be traveling.
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20,000 steeler fans
according to KNBR
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In Noo Yawk, you would've gotten a wedgie for saying you like the Steelers
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 19, 2011 5:33 PM PST up reply actions
SMALL HANDS!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 5:23 PM PST reply actions
Lights just went out at the stadium
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 5:29 PM PST reply actions
Powers out at Candlestick
Terrible timing, gotta wait until the Steelers have snapped the ball on offense.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
LOL CANDLESTICK
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Elaborate plan to get the Niners new stadium built faster?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
When the light go down in the city
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 5:31 PM PST reply actions
lol
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
LOL HANDEGG
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 19, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions
Hey ESPN
THERE IS NO EARTHQUAKE
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BUT IT IS FRISCO
ISN’T THE ONLY THING THERE EARTHQUAKES AND GAYS?
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by Murray, Present on Dec 19, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
THIS IS TOTALLY MAGOWAN'S FAULT!!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 5:32 PM PST reply actions
/facepalm
Chris Berman “The 49ers used to play downtown at Kezar Stadium”
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Isn’t he from here?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
He was born in Connecticut
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He was born with an etra layer of flesh around his cranium
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
I thought berman was a bills fan?
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
Proud parent of Jeff Keppinger's better half
by operation carrot on Dec 19, 2011 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I can assure you that he openly pulls for the 49ers on the air. He did it tonight. He’s done it before. He will do it again.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
He got offered a broadcasting job with the Giants a good while back.
He loves his SF teams.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
NOBODY CIRCLES THE WAGONS LIKE THE BUFFALO BILLS!!!
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 10:18 PM PST up reply actions
these national games start way way to early anyway
proud son of greatgiantfan; b. Apr 29, 2009, d. Jul 30, 2010.
Where is James Harrison right now?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
“Medicine”
Why won’t they just say pain killers?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 5:44 PM PST reply actions
Are they steroidal in nature?
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 19, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
I know…they make it sound they found some all natural cure to a sprained ankle. “Our temple guardians have found a secret medicine made of unicorn horns which will aid Rothlisberger”.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Dec 19, 2011 5:46 PM PST up reply actions
/the unicorn is swiftly hunted into extinction
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
The 49ers ticket office should have forced Steelers fans to buy 2 preseason games to get this game tonight.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LOL Chargers
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell™
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
by ResDog on Dec 19, 2011 5:56 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
LOL 9ers!!!
Way to tackle!!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
LOL Steelers
Way to catch a pass!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I enjoy these two comments in tandem.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Carlos Rogers!
Pay that man!
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
Every one drink!
Kyle Williams is the son of Kenny Williams!
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 19, 2011 6:13 PM PST reply actions
49ers getting close to their FG
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
There’s one.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 6:17 PM PST up reply actions
If they hadn’t lost yards, it would have been two in a row.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
Is this a poop tweet?
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2011 6:18 PM PST up reply actions
0 ounces.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
How many errant passes in that drive? Four?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Errah!
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
Missed a wide open receiver
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:19 PM PST reply actions
This team is going NOWHERE in the postseason.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Pretty amazing how in the span of four-weeks they’ve gone from dominant #2 seed to an also-ran division winner.
Who else is in that they’ll get torched by? Falcons?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
New Orleans, especially there.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
New Orleans will have a bye.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
SHIFT LOL 49ERS
They want to be a big boy team.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Also
A field goal kicker just tied Jerry Rice for the most points on the 49ers in a single season. That about sums it all up.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
It was kind of incredible that Rice had that record in the first place. Kickers overwhelmingly score the most cumulative points around the league every year.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 6:26 PM PST up reply actions
Let me live in my admiration of Jerry Rice, devoid of the facts.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
He looks like a clown.
Clowns wear different colored shoes.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
That was one hell of a catch by Brown.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
And some terrible coverage in the four yards that followed.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Awwww
That would have been awesome if it went into Witmers hand.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
LOL THE RAPIST
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
49ers are lucky Roesthehamburger isn’t playing well right now.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
That was more an unlucky deflection with the high pass.
But he had forever to throw that, why throw over the middle?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
they lose Pujols and might get Coco lol
Pitching and defense wins championships, but oh those dingerz....
Coco instead of Beltran?
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:31 PM PST up reply actions
I would be okay with this.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Coco to the Cards, WIllingham to the Twins, Kubel to the D-Backs, and Cuddyer to the Rockies.
I love that these teams jumped on all the grenades we were terrified of. Now quick, Dodgers need to sign Yuni.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Nah
Giants will “find” some money and sign him to a 3-year deal with an option for a 4th.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Could you please direct me to the nearest flight of stairs?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Hooray
Commercials, one play and MORE COMMERCIALS!!!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
geez Ben had time to bake a pie back there.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Nice!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Looks like he is pissing a towel.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Bay Area Sports Guy @BASportsGuy 4m
The 49ers counted out 15 alligators, and Ben Roethlisberger still gets picked off!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Was Alex Smith just using one of the linemen as a table for his arm to rest on in the huddle?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Even though it’s 50% Steelers fans, nice to see Candlestick filled up.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
LOL ALEX SMITH
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:38 PM PST reply actions
No, really
He blows
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
This offense's ineptitude
has carried my fantasy team this year.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
You have the kicker?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Yup.
Him and Seabass.
My league awards kicker points based on distance, too.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
All of his field goals are 30 yards, though.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Yeah, I usually pick up at least one 40+ or 50+ in a given week.
And he usually kicks at least 3 a week.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Nice catch p00phelmet
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
David Ackers
Team MVP! Team MVP! Team MVP!
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Admiral Akers
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This will not come back to haunt them.
Like last week.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM PST reply actions
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
by El Person on Dec 19, 2011 6:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haha!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Obvious metaphor for the 49ers' offense is obvious.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 6:45 PM PST reply actions
Move em down to Stanford.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
They'd prolly move to AT&T
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 6:47 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, but Stanford is still set up for football isn’t it?
j14… what’s at at&t now?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Isn't AT&T set up for football?
Cause heck, isn’t there the Tex Mex Bowl or whatever the shit going there soon?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Oh that’s right. I guess it’s not the Emerald Nut Bowl anymore….
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Isn’t Cirque de Soleil in town?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Ew.
Still, that would preclude people from parking there for a game.
Also, I imagine an NFL game would want more seats than that, anyway. Stanford probably makes more sense.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Now that they shrunk it, it’s only a little bigger. The Coliseum would make most sense, I think.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
eeeeeeeewwwww
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
How about this?
Tell Steelers fans it’s at Stanford and, while they are going there, play at AT&T Park.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Damn you La Russa!
Quit interrupting Monday Night Handegg!
Every college age girl in the crowd is trying to keep an eye on where big Ben is during the power outage
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Dec 19, 2011 6:46 PM PST via mobile reply actions
TRY NOT TO PANIC!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 6:46 PM PST reply actions
This is fucking embarassing
Niners need to get outta SF asap, like before playoff time.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
I’m going to miss Candlestick when they finally tear it down.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
All of those ghosts will finally be free!
I ain’t missing shit. The memories I’ll keep, but seriously nothing else.
I'm not
Last time I went it was a dump and that was 2000.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
TrippingOlney Not Buster Olney
CLARIFICATION: THE GIANTS CAN’T AFFORD OFFENSE BECAUSE KEEPING THE LIGHTS ON IN SAN FRANCISCO IS TOO DIFFICULT.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 19, 2011 6:53 PM PST reply actions
Is anyone going to tell me if this power outage is anything like the 89 earthquake?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Did everyone actually think of that?
I didn’t, granted I wasn’t alive in 89.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 19, 2011 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
I'll say it
GET OFF OUR LAWNS
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I was around in ‘89
Our apartment was on top of the Hayward Fault, it doesn’t remind me of that at all.
Might be the lack of burning skyline or collapsed freeways…
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The announcers went on and on comparing it to the 89 quake during the first delay.
And I’ll join your LOL YOUNG club, because I wasn’t alive then either.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
I was 4
but living in San Bruno. I remember it pretty well.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I was wee lad in second grade. I don’t remember it too well, except for the fact that my dad got stuck in the city.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Dec 19, 2011 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
I know, thats why I asked.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 19, 2011 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
It is my earliest memory
I was in daycare. Everyone else was cowering and I was jumping up and down enjoying it. After it ended I was filmed saying “No! More eart’quake, more eart’quake!”
I was an oblivious child.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
During the first outage
This was all anyone associated with ESPN would talk about.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
my earliest memory! I was born on the westside of Santa Cruz, and I was 3 playing with blocks in front of a big aquarium
My mom tuck and rolled with me between her legs into the bathroom.
To tuck and roll anywhere during that quake would have been an impressive feat.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
especially in Santa Cruz
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
This game will end at midnight our time.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
We're not bad, we're just scheduled that way.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
Brilliant strategy by the 49ers
Just hope the Steelers keep committing penalties to stop their own offense.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
They'll see your penalty and raise you a first down.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
UGH, STUPID FLAG
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
It was going to be like 3rd and 30. 5 yard penalty is an automatic first down??
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 19, 2011 7:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not even sure what constitutes illegal contact.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Contact with an offensive player 5 yards past the line of scrimmage
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
So,
another one of those “we call this when we feel like it,” since it happens all the time, like holding.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yea
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 7:16 PM PST up reply actions
Smith is manhandling that fatty
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Dec 19, 2011 7:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I can't believe they're having him try these throws all-arm.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 7:13 PM PST reply actions
Ginn only makes circus catches
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
in that neighborhood?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
lol
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
Akers is probably the only place kicker in history to trend on Twitter
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 7:21 PM PST reply actions
Isn’t that the 2nd time that’s happened? [not in this game]
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Similar to the one that called back Ginn's 75 yard TD against the Ravens
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 7:25 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think the lights actually went out.
The two teams just put America into a collective simultaneous stupor.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 7:29 PM PST reply actions
awwww I wanted a safety
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
why'd they let him go outta bounce?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
That was a weird ending to the half
The Steelers really screwed that up.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
That would've been, what a 54 yarder?
Were they going to be kicking into a headwind or something?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
55 they said, and the air is all heavy and junk at the Stick.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
LOL SMELLY JUNK
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 7:44 PM PST up reply actions
IT'S NATURAL
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 19, 2011 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
I meant more of their clock management.
They had some weird plays.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Then it was like.
“Nah, were are cool running off a bunch of time before we start the play.”
“NO WE WILL NOT USE OUR TIMEOUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH!”
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
"WE WERE RACIST OUT OF CONTEXT FIRST"
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
by Solidarity on Dec 19, 2011 7:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
The Atlanta Braves will sue the US because of the National Anthem next, right?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Pfff
The United States totally is the home of the Braves.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Quick!! Turn the lights off!!
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I want to thank you Grant
for reminding me once again how messed up the signing my Dbacks made today was
Have you been good this year? I hope so, because Gibby. Is. Watching.
by imstillhungry95 on Dec 19, 2011 8:14 PM PST reply actions
They still have the inside track to the West title this year.
The next closest team is the Giants, and they are out front trying to sell tickets to the race.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Do they have to pay that straight up?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Damn…he was going to be my big surprise present this year.
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Dec 19, 2011 8:22 PM PST up reply actions
LOL Monday Night Football
Crabtree totally fools Ike Taylor. Commentators proceed to gush about Ike Taylor.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Except that it's a waste of a timeout.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
FG for the Niners
The Golden Bear is ever watching
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 8:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
If they don't overturn this call, just kick a FG
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 19, 2011 8:26 PM PST reply actions
Niners are going to lose 10-9, aren't they.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Remember, the last time the Niners had a Red Zone TD was BEFORE THANKSGIVING.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
God bless us, every one!
Except Roethlisberger and Harrison.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Hah.
Maybe they’re getting just a wee bit more wise with the playcalling.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Beautiful play action
Cameraman was totally fooled
Damn right that neeed to go to Davis.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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No
But the referees are a bit more generous toward the Niners tonight
*calls a chop block on Gore*
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Just pretend they won the challenge and burned a timeout to strategize before the FG.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Wait…they’re allowed to score TDs within the 20 yard line?
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San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 8:31 PM PST via mobile reply actions
A portrait of two franchises movinv in opposite directions...
2010 WS: Giants vs Rangers
Giants miss playoffs and add Melky Cabrera
Rangers make it BACK to WS and spend $52 million to TALK to Darvish.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
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Job 1:14-15
by bigboneded on Dec 19, 2011 8:32 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Except they lost their ace to a division rival
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 8:34 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Wilson is not worth the money he got.
And if they land Darvish they get, arguably, a better pitcher.
Of course it’s probably going to cost a lot more than what they would have payed for Wilson.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Agreed.
The team was already short on SPs
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 8:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Who keeps falling for that pump fake?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 19, 2011 8:34 PM PST reply actions
Grant is
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 8:36 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I actually meant Brisbee
But Not Willis is doing well.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 8:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
EVERYONE READ THIS NOW
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/18/2644615/mccovey-canticles#86156642
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by scout6 on Dec 19, 2011 8:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Somebody stuff a sock in Jaworski’s mouth.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
SACK HIM!!!!
WHY IS NOBODY SACKING HIM?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
DESTROY HIM
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Ravens game all over again.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Was this Urban?
Jeff Fletcher @JeffFletcher1 2m
An MLB scout last year told me he didn’t think Darvish was that good. Of course, same guy told me Zito was “back” in 2009.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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FUMBLE!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 8:48 PM PST reply actions
NINER FOOTBALL!
UP YOURS, RAPIST
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Yes!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
3 pissing towels
2 interceptions
and an ineffective serial rapist.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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RED ZONE!
Time for a FG!
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Listening to the game on my drive home from work and during the half time show Howie Long was talking about how “California should be embarrassed by having the three oldest, run down stadiums in the league” SF, OAK, SD
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 8:50 PM PST reply actions
Because "the Radio Shack guy" knows a thing or two about dignity.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
ha.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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LOL FIELD GOALS
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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---
@Marckroon 3m
Nippon Baseball are you sad to watch Darvish leave Japan. It’s reported the Texas Rangers have won the right to him
My adopted son, Brandon Crawford. Dude hits grand slams and plays defense.
Whoa.
He took the points off the board.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 19, 2011 8:52 PM PST reply actions
Please don’t let this be Cowboys redux
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 8:53 PM PST up reply actions
Learned from his mistake the first time.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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But he took points off the board the first time and lost.
Or am I confused about what you are saying?
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 9:01 PM PST up reply actions
No, he kept the field goal instead of taking a first down.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Leaping?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I am so confused by that, looked totally legal.
OH WELL, DON’T CARE!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Either the refs are biased toward the Niners
or they don’t want Akers breaking the field goal record. I’m thinking the latter…
Three score game?
Holy shit.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
TOUCHDOWN GORE!!!!!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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BUSH
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
KARDASHIAN?
If you're watching a blowout, you can pass the time by counting the double teapots.
Samurai Champloo > Macross
by doubleteapot on Dec 19, 2011 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Buchanan
"We didn’t win our independence from the British to watch Aaron Rowand hit this bad"
"There is not seeing the ball well, and then there is that." - David B. Flemming describing an Aaron Rowand AB.
by 1ManWolfPack on Dec 19, 2011 8:59 PM PST up reply actions
HANGING CHAD
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 8:55 PM PST up reply actions
INVENTOR OF THE INTERNET
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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BOOM
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
The York family has sold two small stakes in the San Francisco 49ers franchise
?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
They will each be placed in the heart of two steeler fans.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Man, Brown took a shot there.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
So
Aldon Smith, eh?
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:02 PM PST reply actions
LULZ
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Nah
Tim Tebow will win
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Oh.
Oh. I wish you were just joking.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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In that I can totally see this happening.
Especially if they make the playoffs.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Who is his competition right now?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Von Miller
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
This is the DROYD we are looking for
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Two sacks away from the NFL rookie record now.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
Warning: May contain pokemonz
C’mon, Niners. Gimme one more field goal. Pleeeeease.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Walt Coleman is the ref
If you are Raiders fan, you hate him.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
In case anyone is wondering
Three words: “Tuck Rule Game”
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
ALDON MOTHERFUCKING SMITH
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
HOLY SHIT, ALDON SMITH
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Yeah. Seriously
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:10 PM PST up reply actions
Now would be a good time for an INT.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Ask, and ye shall receive.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
HAHA!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 19, 2011 9:12 PM PST up reply actions
LOL STEELERS
Why is Roethlisberger still playing in this game?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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He's like an over-inflated Eckstein
GRITTY GAMERISHNESS
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Because he is an iron man
I have been informed.
Bad idea in retrospect, clearly
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 9:13 PM PST up reply actions
GRIT
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:14 PM PST up reply actions
Fun Fact
Won’t apply at all to this game: Defensively, San Francisco has yet to allow a rushing touchdown, becoming the first team since the 1920 Decatur Staleys to not allow a rushing touchdown in its first 13 games to start a season.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He was tackled in the end zone
Thats a touchback
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Dumb ESPN Scorecenter App just said that was a safety
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:15 PM PST reply actions
It's just being true to its nature.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Wow, Candlestick is empty now.
Thanks Steelers fans.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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In fairness
It is the 7th circle of hell trying to get out of there
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Brandon McCarthy @BMcCarthy32 3m
The 49ers are fun to watch again and it’s awesome. Really enjoying this season so far.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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Has this made its way here yet?
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Whoa.
Is that a transformer exploding?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Yup.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Sabean/Beltran metaphor
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:19 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
It’s awesome. And of course, reminded everyone at ESPN about the 89 quake.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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in 1989 we drove up to the Lawrence Hall parking lot and watched transformers blow in the east bay
..also, the Marina burn.
Yeah, we’re stinkers.
Man, the Niners are terrible at running down the clock.
It’s more effective when you actually get first downs, Jim.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
First what now?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Literally the only way the Steelers have a chance is if they get a turnover
I’m cool with running it 3 times
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Still, throw a pass or two, and then run it a couple more times. The defense has earned the rest of the night off.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Nah
Keeping the clock moving and ball security takes top priority now.
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
LOL, plus a penalty.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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The only reason it wasn’t the worst punt return in the history of the game was because he remembered to touch second base.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
mlb sucks…you know all the clips of that have been taken down from the web?
Pooheads.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Thanks to recent business in Anaheim of LA, MLB has contractual obligations to be referred to as Pujeds.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you for losing yardage and running off time dude.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
The tiny santa hats on the legs really sold that turkey hat.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Should have let Smith go touch him for another sack.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I don't even understand how a punt is vaguely defensible.
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They should have just let Ben throw a long interception.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe they were hoping for a fumble.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
The game is over
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Well NOW it is.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Wow. Good game
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:26 PM PST reply actions
The Niners looked great in this game.
They actually dismantled Pittsburgh
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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The Niners defense looked great,
the offense was once again uninspiring. Davis looked vintage, though, and Williams was solid.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
This is why homefield in the playoffs is going to matter, and why playing at Seattle actually kind of scares me a lot.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:32 PM PST up reply actions
I have a feeling the Seahawks are going to crush us.
They and the Cardinals have been surging out of nowhere.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The Seahawks haven’t really been all that impressive, I don’t think, but that stadium is l o u d.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:34 PM PST up reply actions
Lately, they have been impressive. 3 straight wins vs. Philly, St. Louis and Chicago and 5 of 6.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Wow, St. Louis and Chicago.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Chicago was on the road. They also beat the Ravens in the 6 game period.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Chicago may not win another game anywhere as long as they insist on letting Caleb Hanie continue to play.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
They’ve won 5 of their last six (though two were against the Lambs.)
They also beat the Ravens, Eagles, and Bears. Lost to the Redskins. In that six game stretch, their average score is just about 27-15.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They’ve won games, obviously. I don’t think that most of those wins have required them to be particularly impressive. The Ravens are the one notch on that belt worth having. I guess I should give them a little credit for dismantling teams that demand dismantling. The defense is playing well, but that offense means nothing to me.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
Will be interesting to see how Lynch does vs. the Niners.
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Unstoppable force vs. unmovable object
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
If you set your point of relativity to Marshawn Lynch, the 49ers defense becomes the unstoppable force.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t think they’re anywhere near the biggest challenge on our schedule, but it’s a short week (we play Saturday, because the league office is a bunch of assholes apparently) and they are not playing like the team that lost 6-3 to the Browns.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They don’t want everyone playing on Christmas Day.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
No, they want an extra nationally televised game now that college football is over (bowls notwithstanding). Same reason they showed Bucs-Saints this week, and have these crappy Thursday games to try and make people buy the NFL network.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Wouldn’t have made a difference. Everyone is playing on Saturday except for 6 teams. The other three are the usual Thursday night, Sunday night and Monday night games.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Oh, is that so?
I missed that bit. Consider the point retracted (except for those shitty Thursday games.)
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Oh, no. The game scares me. It scares me a lot. But not because of the team. This 49ers offense has absolutely melted in front of truly hostile crowds this year. And the short week doesn’t help.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
They managed to put up 25 in Detroit, and 24 in Philly. (It’s sad that that’s the largest number of points we can reasonably expect out of this team).
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The only games I saw where I could hear how loud the crowd was on TV were Baltimore and Arizona. That’s not scientific, obviously. But it counts as far as my perception is concerned.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Detroit was LOUD.
It was causing them problems early.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I have a buddy who was at that game, and he said it was absolutely insane.
I admit to wondering if the audio was on the fritz.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
This is why perception is not science.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
I mean what I perceived was apparently not accurate. Therefore, not science.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Playing in Seattle has always sucked for the Niners
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 19, 2011 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
MLB Fake Rumors @MLBFakeRumors 12s
Darvish: RT @faridyu I’m looking forward to joining the Texas Rangers and losing the 2012 World Series in exciting fashion!
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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I rant on Twitter
14 games without a rushing TD allowed.
That has never been done before today.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Game ends
And ESPN starts Sportscenter with highlights of an exhibition game between the Lakers-Clippers.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I thought that was funny too.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Steve Young has to pretend he’s objective during these highlights.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I love you Steve! Even though you have taken one too many shots to the head.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
It was interesting hearing him talk about Alex Smith on KNBR the other day.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Too bad Tom and Ralph have asked him about Tebow constantly as of late. A waste if yu ask me. And I know you were going to ask me.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Unintentionally /Darvish’d
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
He was pissed when asked whether Roethlisberger should have been playing. It was funny watching Trent Dilfer trying to calm him down.
I also liked the all-Niners panel they had there when Justin Smith was being interviewed: Dilfer, Young, Smith.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Throwing him out there for the last drive of the game was just dumb.
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By the end of the first quarter it was obvious that he didn’t have it. I was amused by the way the camera would in the fourth quarter constantly pan to Mike Tomlin staring resolutely ahead as though there was nothing at all in his control.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Aldon Smith may have just won himself DROY with that game
The guy is an absolute beast, and he’s only 21 or 22 years old. He’s just going to get bigger and stronger, which is scary.
But man, Monday night against the Steelers and he has a game like that, AND passes Miller in sacks. That’s a signature game that’ll probably get him a lot of votes.
The first six innings are overrated.
Mike Tomlin
Class act.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
yech.
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He may make it. I bet 4-5 NFC QBs drop out.
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So Rodgers skips for the SB, and that leaves… Romo, Brees, Stafford, and… Ryan to jump?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Cam Newton, Eli Manning, and Romo would also make it over Smith
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Don't forget John Skelton!
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Oh yeah, Newton. He’d be a lock. Eli Manning might be close, just because the world hates him. Not because he’s not better.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Will someone be brave enough to not use the power outage in a pun when coming up with a headline for tonight’s game?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 19, 2011 9:48 PM PST reply actions
No. I won $15 on the ESPN headline. I put money on “Lights out”
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
espn.com has
“Off the Grid”
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 9:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Hmmm. It says “Lights out” for me. Don’t tell anyone
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
I was looking today and realized that Tom Brady is probably going to break Dan Marino’s single season passing yards record. Of all the years to do it.
Once more, coming to you by proxy.
Drew Brees may pass that next week.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He almost certainly will.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
Atlanta (the team that is facing the Saints) is 18th in pass defense.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Imagine if the 49ers have the Saints offense and their current defense. They could be going for an undefeated season.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I was looking today and realized thatTom BradySammy Sosa is probably going to breakDan Marino’sRoger Maris’s single seasonpassing yardshome run record. Of all the years to do it.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
Isn't it weird (and yet somehow fitting) that Sammy Sosa never once won a home run title?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 19, 2011 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Not quite true
From 1998 to 2002, he hit 66, 63, 50, 64 and 49 home runs. The years he won the home run title were the years he hit 50 and 49.
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It’s because he doesn’t speak English
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 10:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He won the subtitle.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
Heh.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Ladies and gentlemen of the internet, I humbly suggest that the Padres are the only team in this division that knows what in the hell they’re doing.
Not sure if they are the only one, but the Padres certainly know what they are doing.
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Dec 19, 2011 10:04 PM PST reply actions
Constant recycling of close to proven talent for prospects.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 10:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not that they have much of a choice.
San Diego is a tough market.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They drew okay
When they win.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 10:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not really.
Remember, Petco became AT&T south DURING 2010.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
It was much better during the early part of the decade, and has pretty much been in decline since.
The last year they were in the top half of the league in attendance was 2006.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
To draw well
You need a couple of years of winning. It is hard to gain fans if you are the proverbial doormat almost year.
Also they shuffle the players out too fast for anyone to care about them
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 10:39 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Alex is rocking his Giants hat
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Last year it was a Padres hat. Look what that did for him.
The Giants hat is good luck
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but
Look what happened to the teams of the caps he wore. Last year, Padres = no playoffs. This year, Giants = no playoffs.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He is sapping their luck through their merchandise!
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
Wonder what would happen if he wore a Pirates cap.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2011 10:21 PM PST up reply actions
The streak continues?
BTW, I would ask why you spend your time here and not the Dodgers board but you would be the only one there.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Let me explain...no, that is too much. Let me sum up.
I spend my time here because I want to.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 19, 2011 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah, let's stick with what works
If he has to steal the Giants’ life force to win, I’m okay with that. We already had our World Series. I want to see a Super Bowl in my lifetime.
It certainly explains this picture, doesn’t it?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Actually, I was technically a few months old when Steve Young won his Super Bowl. Whatever.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
You probably didn’t see it, though.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:46 PM PST up reply actions
Advantage of being old: I’ve seen 5 Super Bowl wins.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So have I.
It’s just that only one of them was by the Niners (suck it, San Diego).
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The one that they won here must have been pretty cool.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
All of them were pretty good (although, by the 5th one, it started to be “meh”. At that point, I knew what it was like to be a Yankees fan).
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
lololol off my lawn jackass
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Oh God Ray Ratto id on my television
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I am the eggman. I am the walrus.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 19, 2011 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You might agree with him one one point. He is hinting at the hypocrisy of those who want to easily give Ryan Braun a pass on the PEDs and not Bonds.
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"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So why, then, is there such an eagerness to find Braun’s seemingly implausible story so believable, or at least defensible by so many people who dove face-first into Bonds?
The options are two: Race, or personality. Neither is appealing.
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TBF
The change in Bond’s physique probably had something to do with that
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 10:54 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Just look at the prejudice against Bagwell.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Bagwell has pretty much looked the same to me.
The attack on Bonds was the result of a combination of factors
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 11:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
?
People are on record as saying they didn’t or wouldn’t vote for Bagwell because he looks like he used steroids, despite there being no evidence to support that argument.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Oh I thought you were being chasming
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 11:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No, no.
I was just trying to chip in about appearance bias.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
And TV repairs are not cheap.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 19, 2011 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Whole wheat pasta is pretty awful
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 10:52 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You also don’t like New York pizza.
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Are you saying that whole wheat pasta is good?
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 10:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It can be ok. Just needs to be done right. I don’t prefer it, but it’s definitely not awful.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Any advice?
I need to learn how to cook it.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Looking at Cooks Illustrated, they’ve recommended three brands (in order): Bionaturae Organic 100% Whole Wheat, Heartland Perfect Balance, and Barilla Plus Multigrain. Taste test was done only with spaghetti, so your mileage may vary. It is worth noting that these are the only 3 brands out of 18 that were recommended, so probably even more important than the sauce is the brand of pasta.
Usually I’ve gone with relatively bolder flavors for the whole wheat pastas I’ve made. Think asparagus, pancetta, etc.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
/takes notes
I’m more inclined towards bolder flavors anyway, so that’s good news. I lament not being able to make gnocchi anymore, though.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Why no more gnocchi? No time?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
No, living with a recently diagnosed diabetic.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Have you tried baking with it? It seems like it would need to be soaked in sauce for hours.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 11:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I don’t think I’ve ever made a baked pasta dish.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
You might give ziti a try.
Though the amount of cheese needed for good ziti might outweigh the health benefits of wheat pasta.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Lactose intolerant, so baked ziti is a bad idea.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
This would explain the no-baking thing pretty easy.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I quit making brown rice because I could never get it to cook all of the way.
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really? I usually make it in the microwave and don’t have a problem. Then again I’m usually making it for something else, like fried rice, where it essentially gets cooked twice.
Quinoa’s not bad, the texture takes some getting used to.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
It could have just been this particular brand that the Mrs. bought. We made our way through that whole bad and never once had anything but hard rice LOL. Come to think of it, maybe it wasn’t brown rice. Maybe it was whole grain or something weird.
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nah
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 20, 2011 6:28 AM PST up reply actions
You just never get tired of it, huh?
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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It’s perfectly edible.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 20, 2011 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
Wow, Aldon Smith y'all.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He is what Manny Lawson was supposed to be, and we didn’t have to wait 5 years for it!
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Dec 19, 2011 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
20+ sacks next year?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Why aim so low?
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Dec 19, 2011 11:11 PM PST up reply actions
the whole really lomg arm thing
is legit. He had so much more leverage than the guys trying to block him
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by CalBear949 on Dec 19, 2011 11:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Headed up to Martinez tomorrow
and good lunch places?
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Haven't heard of it before?
any good?
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I don’t really get Martinez, in terms of why it exists. I’ve been there once, and that’s enough for a lifetime. It’s not that it was actively unpleasant, but it just felt pointless, as though there was a settlement here that came into existence without anyone actually asking for it or wanting it.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
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Joe DiMaggio was born there.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 20, 2011 12:17 AM PST up reply actions
So was the Martini!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 20, 2011 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
LOL Graham
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WELL MARTINEZ DOESN’T GET WHY YOU EXIST
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 20, 2011 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
The people working in those shitty factories and ports which surround it had to live somewhere. They had the option of making maps and graphs on a baseball website, but instead they chose to make America great.
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
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Not really
There’s Hawaiian Hi-Bar if you like super greasy Chinese/Hawaiian food. There’s Bagel Street Cafe if you like…bagels. They make a decent chicken salad sandwich. There’s Cinco de Mayo and Los Panchos if you want pretty good Mexican. There’s a good Thai place downtown called LemonGrass I think. And then there’s two McDonald, a Jack in the Box, a Taco Bell, a Burger King, a Carls Jr and a Wendys. And a Kinders. That’s good.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 20, 2011 12:46 AM PST up reply actions
And a Wells Fargo that I’ve been forced to utilize in order to make toll at the cargo bridge.
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I’ve been to that Wells Fargo many times.
@legaleagle88
Giants Baseball: Why Not?
I thought Nate Schierholtz was cool before it was cool to think Nate Schierholtz was cool.
If we ever bickered as much about a single player here as NN does about Smith I would kill myself
The first six innings are overrated.
fred lewis
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
so glad I wasn't here yet for that
You know, I actually have no idea how the hell I even got here.
The first six innings are overrated.
i wonder if i could go back and find some of the most epic arguments
of course, back then, 100 comment threads/arguments were considered epic, so.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Now 100 comment arguments just with CalBear949 are routine.
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Damn you Chromers and your wanton ways.
2010 World Series Champions!
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/10,000 comments in response
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 20, 2011 6:29 AM PST up reply actions
THOSE WERE THE DAYS
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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It is more an argument about how resigned you should feel about him.
And how important a pretty:skill ratio is.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 20, 2011 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
Man, I just glanced at the Steam holiday sale. Nucking futs.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Example:
Portal 2 for $7.50, or Portal 1 and 2 for $8.70.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Just saw some of it
Holy shit, you’re right. How about some of the bundles? The Rockstar one is 66% off.
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Once again, I lament that I am on a dated computer with very little HD space left. Otherwise I would be going bananas right now.
Also, people into gaming should also take a look at the latest Humble Indie Bundle which is ridiculously good in its current iteration, and proceeds go to help charity.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I wouldn’t have a lot of time to play. I purchased a PS 3 during Black Friday and I only time to play those games I purchased for that.
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I'm about 90 hours deep in Skyrim,
and took two weeks off in the middle of it to binge on Dynasty Warriors 7, so I feel you on that.
On tap: God of War 3, Valkyria Chronicles. Somewhere down the line, likely the Mass Effect Games and maybe some Assassin’s Creed if they can be had for the right price.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I have to try all 3 of the Uncharted games when I have time. Trying out GTA 4 right now.
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Couldn’t you just delete the local content on the Steam games you have now, install new ones for cheap and then leave the best ones installed?
Sundrendy!
20-3 Huh? 49rs are looking good.
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DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
Oh, wait… huh….
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by howtheyscored on Dec 20, 2011 11:22 AM PST up reply actions
/waits for Grant’s post about the new SB Nation Android app.
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just got it
it’s great. I get to z through the comments without hitting z!
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DSzymborski Dan Szymborski
Paul Goldschmidt’s 2012 ZiPS is 250/340/472, OPS+ 113. Not as good as Belt’s, but a lot better than Pill’s.
DSzymborski Dan Szymborski
(This relates to a discussion on @mcccoveychronicles rather than a strange conversation I was having in my head just now)
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Holy vindication, Batman.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Also, who lit the Szymborski beacon?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Probably
the mention of “ZiPS”.
Goldschmidt happens.
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Mayor of Smug.
new app
so shiny
Sometimes you just have to look death in the face and say whatever man
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