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What do you guys think of Kubel signing with the D-Backs?

Good trade for them or did they overpay him? Parra is better defensively obviously.

5 months ago Tiny jake24 9 comments 0 recs  | 

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Kubel will probably benefit from the move, Target is supposed to be pretty tough on hitters, and the effect on Kubel has been somewhat severe over the last two years.

That said, I think this move makes the D-backs ever so slightly worse over the course of his two year deal. Kubel’s defense isn’t as bad as some people think (he’s probably on the low end of average) but the D-backs are obviously betting on Kubel returning to his pre-target field numbers, while also staying healthy (something he’s found difficult to do over his career.) I don’t think that’s a very good bet.

Parra doesn’t hit for much power, but he hits for better average. That, coupled with his excellent defense, make this deal, at best, a push, albeit with the D-backs having 14 million less to spend on other pieces. Parra is a young, athletic player; Kubel has always been described as a player with “old” skills, and I’d bet he’s already peaked, and entering his age 30 season is already on the decline.

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by Keenlow on Dec 19, 2011 12:34 PM PST reply actions  

Meh. Seems like a rare recent mistake for the D’backs. I don’t see him being a significant upgrade and they’ve tied up some of their scarce $$$ on him. For about an extra $8-9M they could possibly have signed Beltran to a 2 year deal. That would have been scary for us Giants fans.

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by Fla-Giant on Dec 19, 2011 3:53 PM PST reply actions  

What the hell is Beltran asking for? Looks like the Cardinals might be moving off of him too and moving on to Coco Crisp. Unless they’re planning on making a trade afterwards, they probably won’t sign both. Maybe he fired Boras prematurely. Whatever Lozano promised him doesn’t seem to be there.

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by rxmeister on Dec 19, 2011 7:47 PM PST up reply actions  

What the hell is Beltran asking for?

It makes one wonder, doesn’t it? The “give Sabean the benefit of the doubt” side of me wants to think that Sabean underestimated how much Beltran would want. I like to think Sabean traded Beltran with the idea of re-signing him, but that either (1) Beltran wanted way too much, or (2) ownership didn’t cooperate like Sabean thought they would.

If the plan was never to make a good faith effort to re-sign Beltran, then trading Wheeler wasn’t worth it.

by Squire_Boone on Dec 20, 2011 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Trading for a guy like Beltran with the idea of eventually signing him seems like a really dumb idea to me. Either have an extension in hand at the time of the deal, or don’t bother.

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by Bhaakon on Dec 20, 2011 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Particularly since there are no picks to be had

Without an extension, and obviously without guaranteeing a playoff berth, getting him is a huge gamble, and we saw how that can turn out.

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by quincy0191 on Dec 21, 2011 2:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Not impressed

Kubel’s been slightly above-average with the bat and worse than useless in the field. He doesn’t run particularly well either. Nor do I understand why Kevin Towers looked at Upton, Young, Goldschmidt, and Montero and thought “This lineup needs power” because that’s the only thing Kubel does well. They need short-term rotation depth and maybe a reliever – in any case, pitching is the name of the game, and they spent a bunch of money on a guy who isn’t a sure upgrade. Putting Parra in a 4th OF role is a nice depth move, but they shouldn’t be spending $15M over two years for nice depth moves.

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by quincy0191 on Dec 19, 2011 6:31 PM PST reply actions  

I think they overpaid him. He might hit a few more hrs at chase, but is he worth 8 million a year? i don’t think so. Thank god they didn’t fork up a little more for Beltran!

by jake24 on Dec 20, 2011 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

I’d rather have Kubel over Melky or Pagan talent wise. He’s very servicable and gritty. Though, its nice to see someone else on the other end of these uglyish contract$.

Stop living in the past!

by armzdealr on Dec 21, 2011 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

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