The Default Position of McCovey Chronicles on Barry Bonds
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2011 1:17 PM PST
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PrintHello. You might not be a regular visitor here, and you might just be checking to see how Giants fans are responding to the Barry Bonds sentence. Welcome. I don't presume to speak for all Giants fans, but I can at least spell out the default Barry Bonds position of the editors of McCovey Chronicles. Well, "editors" is a subjective term, seeing as their is no indication anything I've written for the site has ever been properly edited.
First, I get the reason behind the case. The government has good reasons for not wanting people to lie to grand juries, so when they think that a high-profile witness has lied in a high-profile case, the government is right to want to address that. Even without a conviction, this case was a year-long commercial for not lying to grand juries. The government will, at the very least, annoy the crap out of you if they think you lied.
And I don't like the misleading figures like "The Feds spent $75 million on this!" because it's not like they went down to Home Depot, loaded some prosecutors in the back of a van, and paid them $75 million. The time and resources were the real wastes, assuming that what amounted to a public-relations message against lying was unsuccessful.
But I'm happy that Barry Bonds is not going to jail. Very happy. I've never met the man, and I'm sure if I ever did meet him, he'd sneer me into a corner. Despite the charity work and philanthropy, I don't have any illusions that Bonds is someone I'd want to go backpacking with through Europe. He's a complicated, interesting man, and by almost all accounts, he has a dark side I wouldn't want to experience for myself. But I'm ecstatic that he isn't going to jail.
The default position of McCovey Chronicles is that you wouldn't understand. You weren't there when Bonds was doing amazing things. You weren't there when the Giants played their first game of 1993 in San Francisco instead of Tampa, and they had the best player in baseball -- a local kid with a family history that was completely intertwined with San Francisco Giants history. You weren't there when he hit his 500th homer into the water against Terry Adams to beat the Dodgers. You weren't there to see him hit any into the water after battling hypothermia and sludge mites at Candlestick, doing it at a new park that he was at least partially responsible for.
And when I use "you," I mean heathen non-Giants fans. Those people. But Cardinals fans who still have an affinity for Mark McGwire can surely understand a little bit. Cubs fans who still remember Sammy Sosa fondly can understand. The repeated success of a player -- with the player in question being wholly tied into the identity of your favorite team, which you've somehow tied into your own identity for some weird reason -- toggles a bunch of switches in your brain. Those switches are hard to turn off. Some of them might be irreversible.
I can't give a refund on those endorphins. As such, when I think of Barry Bonds, I'm going to think about baseball. Good baseball -- the best I've ever seen. I'll think of the fear he put in pitchers and managers. I'll think of Brent Mayne's liner to right field against the Diamondbacks, letting Buck Showalter off the hook after walking Bonds intentionally with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth. I'll think of a hitter working the count -- I would have appreciated it even more at the time if I had known he would be the last Giant in the history of the franchise to do it.
And if you can't think of all that when you read Bonds's name? Well, I understand. Bonds almost certainly took advantage of chemicals that other players in baseball weren't willing to. He broke records that belonged to people who didn't have access to those specific enhancements. I can peel off the leathery Giants-fan skin long enough to understand how that would be annoying and/or offensive.
Just put yourself in our shoes when you get a second. Or in the shoes of Cardinals fans or Cubs fans. When 40,000 people get out of their chairs in Milwaukee next April and give Ryan Braun a standing ovation, don't just assume that they're all bleating goats who will chew on whatever tin cans they're fed. This stuff's complicated. Being a passionate fan of anything messes with your brain chemistry. That's what made my brain spam me with feel-good chemicals after Bonds got off with a slap of the wrist. When I think of Bonds, I think about some of the fondest memories baseball has ever given me. Around these parts, that will give him a pass for an awful lot over the rest of his life, even if you can't understand that.
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Actually they WERE there
and he was doing against them. That’s why they hate him. Has little to do with steroids.
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Truf.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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Well, “editors” is a subjective term, seeing as their is no indication anything I’ve written for the site has ever been properly edited.
A fine meta-joke, sir. Applause is in order.
by David A. Arnott on Dec 16, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Do you have a twitter account I might be able to follow?
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Yeah, @DavidAArnott. Do you want my web site, too?
by David A. Arnott on Dec 16, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
You have one?
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Yeah, it used to be RufusOnFire.com, but then I started a new one that’s just my real name in the URL. Not sure I want to share that information on a public forum like this, though.
by David A. Arnott on Dec 16, 2011 1:48 PM PST up reply actions
Didn’t even notice that.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 1:24 PM PST up reply actions
We've been conditioned.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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fixed
Weave been conditioned.
The first six innings are overrated.
Is that good for a weave?
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by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2011 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
I’d have to consult El Person’s list, but I don’t think we have anyone here that can answer that authoritatively.
The first six innings are overrated.
I always thought that once the weave is in, you pretty much don’t fuck with it.
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by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions
Or the person wearing it.
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This is what I've heard.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I think we still need to hear JT Jordan’s opinion on the matter.
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"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 1:24 PM PST reply actions
I think there may be a bit of frustration on Bonds’ fans because he was the one so vehemently targeted as the face of steroid usage. Then most others were given a write off or ignored entirely.
Such as the owners, GMs and media pretty much ignoring the problem. Also that the problem still exists. The people that classify the “Steroid era” in quantifiable years or claim that it is over.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by scout6 on Dec 16, 2011 1:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I think there may be a bit of frustration on Bonds’ fans because he was the one so vehemently targeted as the face of steroid usage. Then most others were given a write off or ignored entirely.
Pretty much this. Maybe it was because he’s an asshole. Maybe it’s because he wasn’t a walking American flag like McGwire. Maybe it’s because he was the best at “it,” for most definitions of “it.” But god damn did I get sick of (for example) Cardinals and A’s fans getting all fucking uppity about Bonds’ usage with a straight face. That and people seriously floating the idea that we should take the record books and alter the cold, hard numbers he put up to… (I’d finish that sentence but no one ever actually presented a coherent thought on the matter.)
WE KNOW he was a jerk. WE KNOW he cheated. But you know what? So did your guy. And yours. And yours. And our guy was still better at it than your guy.
Unless your guy is Willie Mays, and he’s our guy, too, and he’s Barry Bonds’ godfather.
Also, we’re San Francisco, and we don’t give a fuck what you think.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 96 recs
I'm going to make an another account just to rec this again
The first six innings are overrated.
Fucking THIS
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by Falconer88 on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This is probably what Grant should have written instead. Dammit Jerry! I mean, Grant!
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
Damn
/ stands and applauds loudly and slowly
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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I guess I'll just line up behind everyone else...
What’s the highest number of rec’s a comment has ever received on this site? Is this anywhere close?
I’m pretty sure Grant’s boss has all the rec-related records.
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That one was definitely the highest. I think I may have 2nd most from the pic in the post game thread after the dodgers game where he went to the mound twice.
The first six innings are overrated.
What an epic game & night.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
That was you?
You win. gg.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
LOL
I hadn’t recced this.
I just made it 166.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
you just outdid Grant
I’m not sure what to think about this. Oh, wait, it was awesome, so I rec’d it.
Suck it, Bixbee.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
/slow clap
Also, we’re San Francisco, and we don’t give a fuck what you think.
I like to think of this as our city tradition.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We haven’t given a fuck what you think since the late 1800s, when San Francisco was regarded as the most “morally bankrupt” city in America.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
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One way or another, this darkness got to give.
by bgunn on Dec 16, 2011 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
"San Francisco is a peninsula adjacent to America."
-Greg Proops (from San Carlos)
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
This I like..
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Very nice
And I’ll add this angle:
It was a witch hunt and the hunters got bupkis.
Ha, freakin’ ha.
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-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
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Yes.
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by Soulbrother16 on Dec 16, 2011 7:13 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe it’s because he wasn’t a walking American flag like McGwire.
That’s a cheap shot at McGwire.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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I don't see that as a slight towards McGwire
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
My apologies if I'm sensing a mocking intonation that doesn't exist.
But I sensed the hell out of it.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Maybe
You could be right. That’s just not how I see it
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
I saw it as a cheap shot at the American flag.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
That bastard!
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Dec 16, 2011 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't mean it as such.
I could see how it sounds dismissive, but McGwire, for better or worse, was indeed the all-American boy who took America’s pastime by storm, before everyone was forced to acknowledge that PEDs were running rampant. El Person nails it below; it was easy (for the middle class white dudes who buy season tickets) to like McGwire. I certainly don’t hold that against McGwire any more than I hold SF’s undying love for Barry against him.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 17, 2011 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
Fair enough.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
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For whatever reason, I completely missed this maymay.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
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natto made a joke about amici's
someone thought it was racist against italian americans “if you unpack it”
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Huh.
I guess that’s no weirder than any of the meme’s I am aware of.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
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by Badly Browned on Dec 17, 2011 9:52 AM PST up reply actions
This is amazing.
I am amazed.
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Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 11:25 AM PST up reply actions
This is one thing that really pisses me off. Alex Rodriguez is an admitted user (admitted only after being caught red-handed, mind you), but there has been no movement to invalidate his impending records or otherwise attach asterisks to his accomplishments. McGwire was one of the dirtiest and made a pitiful stand before Congress about it, but LaRussa staunchly backed him and now he’s working for the Cards. Nice guy Ryan Braun has been given every benefit of the doubt, because he’s such a swell guy. I think Bonds has been unfairly targeted and singled out, by the government, baseball and the media alike.
And quite frankly, I’d venture to say that during the “steroids era”, a majority of players were using. Unless we’re willing to go back and rewrite every statistic (including MVP awards) and game outcome (including WS championships), we should accept it as a part of baseball history and move on.
And leave the big head jokes in the past as well.
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by can of corn on Dec 16, 2011 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
You forgot
Sammy “I don’t speak English” Sosa.
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Bonds was the easiest target. Also, there wasn’t room on the crucification bus for all of them with Bonds aboard as well.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds' giant head took up all the rows
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While I agree completly, (Cal)bear with me while I offer a dissenting perspective.
The only excuse for this I can see is that the public already went through this with Bonds and realize it’s a foolish and vain pursuit. But yeah, that’s all I got.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
by Cody_ransom on Dec 16, 2011 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
While I agree completly, (Cal)bear with me while I offer a dissenting perspective.
ahaha, you have no idea how much I want this to become a thing.
The first six innings are overrated.
You left out a big one
Manny Ramirez.
It’s amazing that for a guy that was known to quit on his team, refuse to speak English when he was mad at reporters, tested positive AFTER the enforcing of banned substances, played miserably then quit baseball entirely after testing positive again – and this guy gets less attention for it than Bonds ever did. In fact, LA celebrated his return like the return of a hero, and ESPN celebrated his return, all while still trying slant the Bonds coverage as negatively as possible.
Sadly, I think that Manny despite not having as good numbers, despite being a jerk, despite violating ENFORCED policy, will be the first of the bunch to get into the Hall of Fame. The Boston and LA media will begin a reform campaign and demand that voters. Bonds crime was not steroids or perjury, it was that he was a-hole to reporters and didn’t win a title for the Red Sox or Yankees.
by Ice Watter In His Veins! on Dec 16, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Did you ever see that pitch comparison between Bonds and Sosa ? It was a video of a pitched ball and when the hitter reacted with a swing. I know it wasn’t as big a gap as it seemed, but I would swear that Bonds didn’t start his swing until Sosa had finished his.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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The difference is
Bonds won’t admit it. Unless you consider his “unknowingly” testimony as admittance. Not that I disagree with any of your points. I have been definitely pissed off by the way Bonds was singled out.
Imagine. Lincecum still hitting 99-101 with the gun. Greatest pitcher of modern time??
travesty
I hate Brian Sabean, so I’m not exactly a giants fan. But I still think any sentence for Bonds is a travesty. We have so many financial criminals in this country who are destroying everyone’s lives and yet it’s a guy who, at worst, made baseball fans realize santa wasn’t real who’s the target of the justice system.
by Hawerchuk on Dec 16, 2011 1:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I hate Brian Sabean, so I’m not exactly a giants fan.
You’re quite qualified ’round these parts.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Well, no, I want the Giants to lose so that he’ll get fired. I consider the WS win his most illegitimate achievement. And I generally hate Giants fans since 92% of them didn’t watch the team until two weeks before the 2010 WS and thought “Sanchez” was this amazing guy who pitched a no-hitter and played second base.
Sabean did draft the entire postseason rotation, Posey, Panda, Wilson,etc.
refusing to give the man some credit is downright petty.
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by slapsy on Dec 16, 2011 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Five straight losing seasons make it easy to draft better. And don’t forget that he would have punted the Lincecum draft pick if MLB rules didn’t forbid it – he gave away his first round draft picks for several years before that because he thought they were “overvalued.” Sabean is a moron who pull the biggest fluke of the decade.
This is not a good way to look at it
Key drafted players on the 2010 Giants
Matt Cain: 25th pick in the 1st round in 2002. According to bb-ref, of all the players in the draft class, he has the highest rWAR total. Of the 24 players picked ahead of him, every single one has a lower rWAR than him and 14 have contributed fewer than 10 rWAR.
Brian Wilson: was drafted in the 24th round in 2003. I don’t think you can attribute that to high draft picks from losing seasons.
Tim Lincecum: 10th pick in the 1st round in 2006. Certainly a high pick from a losing season. But even still, Tim has put up far and away the 2nd best rWAR total from that draft class (behind Evan Longoria). Every other pick in the top 10 other than Clayton Kershaw and maybe Drew Stubbs was arguably a bust. 10th pick is high, but you still have to make the right pick.
Madison Bumgarner: 10th pick in the 1st round in 2007. Another high pick. But of the top 10 that year, only 3 players have so far contributed a significant positive rWAR, including Bumgarner.
Buster Posey: 5th pick in the 1st round in 2008. Pretty high pick. But he has the highest rWAR total of any player from that draft so far, even with missing half of last season.
Jonathan Sanchez: 27th round pick.
Sergio Romo: 28th round pick.
High draft picks help, obviously, but you still have to make the right pick. A top 10 draft pick is hardly a lock to be as productive as the Giants top 10 draft picks have been over the past few years. I’m sure the Orioles would be surprised to find out that they should have been so successful over the last few years with all the high draft picks they’ve had.
A success rate like the Giants have had in the top 10 is pretty remarkable.
And to say that Brian Sabean would have forfeited the Lincecum pick if he could have is ridiculous. Deciding that a player might be more valuable than the 29th pick in the first round is a lot different than deciding that it would be more valuable than the 10th pick. He’s also had the opportunity to forfeit his first round pick the last two years in a row and he didn’t.
BTW, he had given up his first round picks in 2003 and 2004 only. The 2004 decision to forfeit picks for Michael Tucker was unforgiveable, but the players he signed before 2003 were fairly defensible.
I’m not the biggest Sabean fan, but your argument is pretty poor.
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by jponry on Dec 17, 2011 10:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Boom.
Roasted.
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Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 11:36 AM PST up reply actions
The 2.9 million who attended games in 2009 despite the team winning 72 games disagree
And I generally hate Giants fans since 92% of them didn’t watch the team until two weeks before the 2010 WS and thought "Sanchez" was this amazing guy who pitched a no-hitter and played second base.
Giants fans have a pretty good track record of supporting the team. Did we pick up bandwagoners in 2010? Sure, but it wasn’t different from any other city whose team catches lightning in a bottle.
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by Goofus on Dec 17, 2011 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
probably, the bandwagoners showed up in 2011, not 2010.
by Las Tres Companeras on Dec 17, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
nnnnnnnoooooooooooooooooooo…. as someone who went to a few playoff games and had to listen to “What’s the K for?” “Who’s Juan Mariachi?” and “Why is everyone standing?” (7th inning stretch) I’d say there were quite a few people who were there for the sake of being there because it was the IN place to be, not because they loved the Giants or even baseball.
Then there was the lovely young lady outside of the stadium defacing the Willie Mays statue. “Show some respect lady!!!” “Oh shut the fuck up!!” “I bet you don’t even know who that is!” “Fuck You Asshole!!!”
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TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The 2009 team won 88 games.
We were a good team before the world series
Imagine. Lincecum still hitting 99-101 with the gun. Greatest pitcher of modern time??
Eh, the feeling is mutual.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Wait, this disqualifies you from being a Giants fan?
I hate Brian Sabean, so I’m not exactly a giants fan.
Fuck guys, turn in your membership cards at the door and lets all go sign up at Athletics Nation.
The first six innings are overrated.
Whoa.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
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by howtheyscored on Dec 16, 2011 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
it really speaks to the strength of a horse that he didnt fall over. and LOL
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:03 PM PST up reply actions
Even better than the Beltran.gif with the umpire dance!
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Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
If only it were a llama.
My boy Joe Staley plays lineman on Sundays.
"I will never apologize for watching Bonds dominate" – Duane Kuiper
by Soulbrother16 on Dec 16, 2011 7:17 PM PST up reply actions
Okay, I am stealing this one LOL
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by Badly Browned on Dec 17, 2011 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Barry was a beast
Everything is RACIST.
by Anonymous1337 on Dec 16, 2011 1:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
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Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2011 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
Triple decker McDonald sign at Citizen Bank Park in Phillie.
“WHERE IS IT GOING TO LAND?????”
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
I was there for that! Ohhh, the shit-talking I laid down on the Phillies fans around me....
By the way, the above isn’t actually a .gif, it’s a video of every pitch Barry saw between 2001 and 2004, with the intentional walks taken out.
Or at least it feels that way.
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Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
I could watch this all day. Seriously.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:04 PM PST up reply actions
look at the perfect form, the raw power, the power generated by the front side, the torque generated through the swing…
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:05 PM PST up reply actions
It is a thing of beauty
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
it almost looks as powerful as a golf swing.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
We won’t ever see anyone as good at hitting as Barry Bonds.
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Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
It makes me wonder...
Has anyone ever compiled stats on outcomes of swings? In other words, what percentage of a hitter’s swings, over the course of a season, resulted in things like:
- balls put in play
- base hits
- extra base hits
- home runs
I wonder, if stats like that existed, if anything interesting would be revealed.
Anyway, watching this made me think that Bonds in 2001 most certainly would’ve set some ridiculously unreachable record for percentage of swings resulting in home runs.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Data only goes back to 2002, unfortunately. I’ll see what I can do with it.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
In 2004, Barry Bonds homered on 5.41% of his swings. In other words, he hit a home run once every 18.5 swings.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
by El Person on Dec 16, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
holy f*ckin crap
I mean holy f*ckin crap.
That’s inhuman.
That's the thing
Revere the achievement. I do miss the scads of articles that put this perfection in context while he had that unbelievable run.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
Really, this is a perfect swing.
No wasted energy. It all goes into the ball.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Truly
We got to see one of the 5 best baseball players ever. And none of the others have played well since the 60s.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
I was 6 in 1993.
If the Giants moved to Tampa, I’d be an A’s fan (and maybe not a baseball fan at all). I wouldn’t have experienced 2010.
The first thing I do every time I pick up a bat, is do the bat wag like Bonds.
Barry Bonds > else.
Brandon Crawford: Better than overpaying for Jimmy Rollins.
As long as you dont call me dude
I am cool
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
I’m thinking “Stand By Me” references would go over most people’s heads here like a Marvin Benard-misjudged liner.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
by tobias on Dec 16, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He broke records that belonged to people who didn’t have access to those specific enhancements.
Ruth never had to face a black pitcher.
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by jhiat00 on Dec 16, 2011 1:46 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I was watching Ken Burns' Baseball a few months back
and they talked about how the pitchers (like Cy Young) did so well because they only used one or two baseballs in the whole game. So by the 5th inning, the ball would be so scuffed up and result in ridiculous movement.
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IMO you can’t really even compare the old era with the new era. I guess you can but they are really, really different.
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new era makes really god caps too
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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GOD CAPS
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
LOL
Again ?
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GOOD DAMMIT
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
RALLY GOD CAPS
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THAT'S RIGHT
I’M HOLY
Brian Sabean strongly encourages you to disregard the drudgery of your employment responsibilities and join him in the consumption of spirituous libations.
They make ok caps. The need to make a cross between the 39/30 and the 59/50 that gives one the lower profile of the former and the nice snug fit of the latter.
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The need to make a cross between the 39/30 and the 59/50 that gives one the lower profile of the former
This is the absolute truth. My head is large enough already, I do not need a cap with 6" crown to emphasize that.
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I would pay $100 for such a hat.
Plus the 39/30s are not made as well or even of the same material.
/has been mad about this for a long time
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My old hats are still my favorites, but I am considering these two even though they are 59/50’s
This one because my 2001 ALT Cap is totally trashed. This is pretty close.
This one just because the logo is kind of different
They are both from here @27.99 with a stupid $5 membership. , $35 without
http://www.hatclub.com/sports-baseball-mlb-teams-san-francisco-giants
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Someone brought up Old Hoss Radbourn in an earlier thread...
…mentioning his 19.8 WAR…which came in a season where he had 73 starts and 73 complete games. And on top of that, he appeared in relief twice.
You have to wonder how hard a guy could be throwing over the course of 678 2/3 innings.
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
It was truly a completely different game back then.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They didn’t throw overhand back then, so I don’t think his velocity would have been affected that much.
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C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
They just threw games.
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I really don't think this is brought up enough
Lasik eye surgery. Now that’s an enhancement that older era players didn’t have. Why is that okay?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
PED are wrong but
Why are glasses? Or advanced training? Antibiotics? All have risks.
Babe Ruth drank illegally. Alcohol in moderation is a Life Enhancing Drug. I think a lot of baseball performance in those days would have been much lower if the players lived stone sober.
Who know how many of the recent and current players played using greenies and similar stimulants?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
Glasses have risks?
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Grasping at straws.
In olden days, humiliation? Slightly higher level of damage when one is hit by a pitch? Higher exposure to optometry office accidents?
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
The Lasik thing is totally true- it’s PED in it’s own way. And what about all those magical pain killers they use, mainly in football, that allow you to play the game despite having a leg that most normal people couldn’t stand on. If Rothlesberger plays on Monday it’ll be in part because he’s a pretty tough dude but also because of all sorts of modern things they can shoot him up with to keep him from being pain-free. Those kind of things didn’t exist way-back when.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 17, 2011 4:15 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sorry, but these photoshopped images of Bonds are hilarious:
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
I’m sorry, but these photoshopped images of Bonds are
so old and tired that Sabean’s about to sign them.
Seriously, I can take a joke, but only the first couple thousand times.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM PST up reply actions
Heh. I didn’t even bother clicking on them. Looks like I made the right decision.
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It’s Bonds with a big head and Bonds with a syringe swapped in for the bat he’s holding. INORITE
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
SO FUNNY
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 16, 2011 2:24 PM PST up reply actions
You could have in the time it took for you to type this.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
But then I would have had to look at them. And I didn’t want to.
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You’re not sorry.
2010 World Series Champions!
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 2:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm realistic
Bonds took steroid and a lot of it.
But he was a HOF level player before steroids and he was insanely good between 2000 and 2004. Additionally, the level of steroid taking in the MLB during that time was super high and included pitchers. He was really fun to watch and maybe the Giants not winning the 2002 WS was karma/divine retribution for Bonds’ transgression.
But he does not deserve to be villified or charged with a crime. Not even close.
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almost all accounts, he has a dark side I wouldn’t want to experience for myself
that totally reminded me of Dexter. which totally reminded me how awesome Dexter is.
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possibly the greatest sitcom character ever (until Ron Swanson came along)
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
that totally reminded me of Dexter
Dexter’s a good guy, but he kills people. Only “bad” people, but still. It is difficult to hate him.
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I find myself in a moral conundrum with Dexter, but not in the sense of “is killing right or wrong”. But more in the idea that given his predisposition, he’s found a way to channel his nature and survive.
I remain convinced that there will be no happy ending for Dexter, whenever the show runs its course. He will die. It’s the only outcome.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:18 PM PST up reply actions
He will kill the wrong person and then kill himself.
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It would work, though.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
I mean, I wouldn’t say WTF if that’s how it went down.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:31 PM PST up reply actions
He's already killed a wrong person
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I don't really have anything of value to add on Bonds so I will shut up.
But has anyone seen this?
by capn on Dec 16, 2011 1:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The 1% there would be doing so much better if they weren’t stoned all the time! AMIRITE?
"The definition of insanity is startjng Orlando Cabrera over and over again and expecting different results"--Albert Einstein
Pansy pokers
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Chrysanthemum Cuddlers
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DAISY DRILLERS
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booooooooooooo you
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
You know you can just ignore subthreads you don’t like. Screetching isn’t required.
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But it is a 1st amendment right
Arguements are good if both sides actually have a goal of seeking the truth. Unfortunately, politicians don’t care about “truth”.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 1:55 PM PST up reply actions
LOL – 1st Amendment applies to government entities, not privately run message boards.
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I THOUGHT THIS WAS MERICA!
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Don't forget corporations.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
A funny bumper sticker I saw
“I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.”
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they're people too.
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Well, I meant that 1st amendment rights related to free speech only apply to government controls, not any controls by a message board.
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A better comparison would be to Banana Republics.
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But they make people walk around in banana suits there.
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Just be thankful all of those peels are on the side of the road. Imagine the accidents otherwise.
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So, what does everyone think about gay marriage and abortion?
We’re trying to choose even more contentious subjects than Bonds’ steroid use, right? That was the game we’re playing?
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Dec 16, 2011 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Nice article
Thank you! I’m glad I found this place even though I hardly know what you guys are talking about. A few years ago, I was a member of a reality tv message board, and every time the subject of Bonds came up, I was always in the minority in sticking up for Bonds. I was constantly hammered with anti Bonds posters. :( I eventually left that place cause they were weirdos. I prefer you nerds who appreciate the awesomeness of Barry Bonds.
by City Girl on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
I was a member of a reality tv message board,
Wait…what ? They really have those ? I live such a sheltered life.
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They’re mostly women, and they were fun for a while, until someone got mad at someone for something; cliques formed and it was high school all over again. In between seasons, posters would bicker all day long.
I couldn’t tolerate going to a website where people people bicker all day long between seasons.
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Dec 16, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 14 recs
Now this is a gem. Seriously people, how is this not green.
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PEOPLE PEOPLE!
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
people who need people, of course
My typing abilities are terrible while posting at work.
The first six innings are overrated.
this guy
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Just to clarify
I was just speaking of my experience on another board. I wasn’t referring to anything else. :(
Obviously that's the politically correct term for
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
My Red Rider BB Gun was
the Castle Greyskull play set back in the early-mid 80s
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
until someone got mad at someone for something; cliques formed and it was high school all over again.
Pfftt… Like that ever happens in real life.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
it probably starts with craigslist personal ads
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
lol
keithlaw
Barry Bonds, because he hit the most home runs. RT @JaSanchez16: @keithlaw who do you believe is the true leader in home runs in mlb??
by ThePasswordisWillieMcgee on Dec 16, 2011 1:52 PM PST reply actions 12 recs
yes!
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I’ll think of a hitter working the count — I would have appreciated it even more at the time if I had known he would be the last Giant in the history of the franchise to do it.
Tough but fair, Grant. Tough but fair.
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by Kitspool on Dec 16, 2011 1:54 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Pat Burrell
he works the count on and off the field.
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Almost put in an asterisk for Posey
But let the hyperbole stand.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2011 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
Gregor Blanco
/ducks
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Does Crawford holding the bat until 2 strikes count?
“shit I gotta swing now”
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
*Brandon Belt cries in a corner
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
And how do Ernie and Bert feel about this?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Pat Burrell
put out his cigarette on Ernie’s rubber ducky and Ernie thanked him for it.
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by CalBear949 on Dec 16, 2011 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Now this is funny.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
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His song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-Wd-Q3F8KM
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
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ZING
I'm on the twitters @FFFFFFFFreak55
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Before I even look at a giants lineup I'm already thinking LOLBELT
WHY IS CABRERA?!?!
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by Falconer88 on Dec 16, 2011 2:00 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Dan Driessen used to work The Count
Dan Driessen vs. John Montefusco…
- PA .. AB .. H . 2B-3B-HR .. RBI .. BB-SO … BA … OBP . SLG … OPS
- 81 .. 70 .. 26 … 8-1-3 …….15 …11-10 … .371 . .457 .. .643 …. 1.100
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
NOT THE GIANTS WAY
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by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
I just went on youtube and watched Bonds hit some HRs. Goosebumps, I tell ya, goosebumps.
He hit balls into parts of AT&T that we’ll never see someone do again. OVER Triples Alley? We haven’t seen that since Bonds.
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Hope you enjoyed those clips while they are still there.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Maybe if MLB would get a fucking clue and sell us old games, I wouldn’t have to scour youtube.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:09 PM PST up reply actions
Yea
Pablo mashed a BOMB 10+ rows back deep into the arcade last year. I remember that. That Panda has legit power too. Not Barry power, not yet at least. He is still young, and that guy can square up almost anything.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
there was this HR vs the Reds Pablo hit during that crazy 100 degree weekend last August or July- the game before that 12 run comeback epic fail.
Anyways, the Pablo HR landed somewhere in the Coors Light deck if I’m not mistaken
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
He nearly hit the cable car, IIRC.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
let’s put an asterisk next to his HR because it was heat-aided.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:20 PM PST up reply actions
You are thinking of this one:
Hit Tracker lists it at 446 feet (starting at 0:32):
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=11346413
I was thinking of this one, which happened the night of the no-no:
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=5523875
Not quite the cable car, but Jeezy Creezy, 462 feet during a night game.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
after a long silence, Krukow says “that’s where Bonds used to him ’em”
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
little nostalgia there
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
Favorite blast of the last 3 years is still Nate at Coors, though. Just because where the fuck did that come from?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Well, we always knew Nate had power. But given his playing time, that came out of nowhere.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
He had like 6 career HRs before that shot.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
IIRC his MiL numbers showed quite a powerful bat
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Yes, but as we all know by now
MiL != ML
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
of course, but that doesn’t preclude a hitter from a sudden display (ie 1 AB) of the kind of power he has.
compared to his previous career, nobody saw that HR coming. but he did follow it up with a whole lot more power than we had ever seen out of him either. I think he’s a late bloomer and will have a big 2012
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I think he’s a late bloomer and will have a big 2012
I sooooo hope this is true. The Giants offense is going to need help.
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Nate has had a nice progression
Last year was about 2 WAR pace before he got hurt. After Posey and Sanchez went down and before Beltran, it was Him, Ross and Panda were the only hitters that actually hit much durring stretches. Ross got stone cold at times too, his yearly numbers were very BLERGY.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
The thing with that homer
Was that it was a pretty typical Nate swing. It wasn’t like he lept out of his cleats swinging for the fences. It was pretty effortless power.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 3:05 PM PST up reply actions
that’s what I’m thinking. The potential for that was always there, we just never saw that kind of result
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I am getting really sick of that woman spazzing out on the couch. Can’t someone just buy her a weather balloon?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:55 PM PST up reply actions
Yea, that was it
BOMB’d!
BONDS’d
Whatever.
Also big fan of the game winning homer in FLA during that road trip that started at the whitehouse, Beltran was added, and the entire team jumped on the rollercoaster from Hell starting in Cinci. I think he “saved” a 4-6 trip with that bomb, but it was foreshadowing to the August that still wakes me up at night with feelings of Wheeler rage. Actually no, I am okay we traded Wheeler, I wanted Beltran badly and think that Brown was the prospect to keep.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 3:53 PM PST up reply actions
As we are having this discussion
People at Brew Crew Ball are still convinced that Braun will be exonerated and that the whole thing is a conspiracy.
Latest rumor:
Braun tested positive because he was on a legal medication to treat herpes.
Yes…much better that way.
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I actually think
For a baseball player, yes it certainly is.
I mean, what would MCC say if it somehow came out that Pat Burrell was on a legal medication to treat herpes?
Just sayin’
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What gave it away?
He had the old Cream song ""N.S.U." as walk-up music.
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I was talking with a friend here in Green Bay in the aftermath of the initial Braun announcement.
I think where I’ve gotten to on the PED thing is, like…yeah, some players cheated. Maybe even a metric fuckload of ’em. Some looking for an edge, some trying to keep up with the Joneses, and some just trying to be that 25th man where the money is better than in AAA.
There’s a system in place now to try and prevent that, so that’s something positive that’s come out of the whole thing.
And, yeah, it’s a little disappointing to think that some of the things I’ve seen some of these players do came courtesy of a juice boost. But at the end of the day? Whether or not I think PEDs have a place in the sport (I don’t, for the record), getting outraged about players using them is a little like getting pissed off when I discover that a particular actress may have had surgery performed on the schnozz or boobs.
The ten bucks I paid for the movie ticket the theater would’ve charged whether the actress was rocking the B-cups or the double D’s.
Whether Barry was hitting 35 or 70, whether McGwire was hitting one out of Dodger Stadium or merely to the back rows of the bleachers, whether Roger Clemens was winning 7 Cy Young awards or merely 3, ticket prices at the ballpark would have been the same.
Did I have a good time when I went to the games? Yeah. Is there any reason to second-guess that years after the fact in light of new information? No, not really.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 1:59 PM PST reply actions 6 recs
Thank you
for making an analogy between steroids and boobs.
Thanks for bringing boobs into the discussion, period.
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by Kitspool on Dec 16, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Unlike steroids, boobs always have a place.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:02 PM PST up reply actions
I see that and think of Thing from the Addams Family.
And then I wonder if Thing was a registered sex offender.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
/glances
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I have trouble deciding how I feel about PEDs in sports
But the whole boob discussion is one I can get my arms around
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HOW DARE YOU
make me be in agreement with a Dodger fan.
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I can see how someone who is a fan of the team from L.A. could confuse baseball with the entertainment industry.
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by cybermaldonado on Dec 17, 2011 5:52 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds' hitting was phenomenal to watch.
He was the best player in baseball even before he took steroids. He got pissed off that the league chose to highlight two other players’ juiced up HR record chase, and rightfully so. But sadly, in response, he sank to their level. And then he lied to congress. I think this is an understandable, human response but I’m not calling him a hero.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Yeah he was found guilty of obstruction
For giving “vague” answers to congress translation: it’s a bunch of bullshit that they charged him with
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by Falconer88 on Dec 16, 2011 2:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He stands a decent chance in his appeal. I wouldn’t be surprised if the confinement component gets lifted, but hell if I know what he’s on probation for. “Don’t give misleading testimony for two years!”
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Probation doesn’t necessarily restrict things he can do; it’s a time of monitoring to make sure he’s on his best behavior.
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My point stands. Probation is as nebulous a sentence as the conviction he got pinned with. It’s not like he has a long criminal record. Probation for about the most white collar incarnation of a white collar crime seems silly to me. No complaints about the community service, though, if they have to stick him with something.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Congress had nothing to do with it!!!!
It was a grand jury in San Francisco.
It is much more dangerous to lie or prevaricate to a Grand Jury
than to Congress. The Grand Jury can spot lies better than the habituated politicians. The Grand Jury also has more judicial clout and powers.
Barry didn’t so much flat lie as tell bunny and fairy stories to the Grand Jury rather than answer the questions.
"It's too LATE to stop now!" - John Lee Hooker
Don't you swear to tell the truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth to a GJ?
If so, bunny and fairy stories aren’t what they had in mind
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To be fair, though, the thing he got convicted for wasn’t so much a bunny and fairy story. It was a rambling answer that did not, on its own, constitute an untruth. And he answered that particular question a few minutes later with an unequivocal “no.”
No harm, no foul. There shouldn’t have been a conviction on that one. Or even a count brought, for that matter.
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Actually
he didn’t lied to Congress. He never testified to Congress.
He was convicted of obstruction of justice, which meant you didn’t tell the Feds everything he knew.
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He got pissed off that the league chose to highlight two other players’ juiced up HR record chase, and rightfully so.
I’m generally with you, but I don’t follow this.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
I’m of the opinion that the HR chase between McGwire and Sosa was overly hyped by the league to take people’s minds off the strike and to generate interest in baseball after that loss of faith. And I suspect they knew about the steroids.
It is pretty fucked up that only Bonds is viewed as culpable in all of this. Many players were juicing and the league had to know.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
I’m of the opinion that the HR chase between McGwire and Sosa was overly hyped by the league to take people’s minds off the strike and to generate interest in baseball after that loss of faith.
I don;t think anyone doubts this, but I think it would be silly of Bonds to be pissed off about it.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I carefully chose who “silly” would modify. :)
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions
This guy was juicing and no one even said boo
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
Gordie!
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:36 PM PST up reply actions
McGwire and Sosa were juiced and chasing 61, while Bonds put together the first 40-40 season ever. Bonds got no love, while the home runs drew the media and the crowds.
So Bonds said ‘fuck it’, and showed everyone who was boss. They covered this in that Ken Burns documentary.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
Wait, what?
Canseco did 40-40 in 1988. McGwire/Sosa came ten years after that.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions
Bonds was the first 400-400 guy (I have the poster).
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Pro Player Stadium!
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:51 PM PST up reply actions
I also have that poster!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2011 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
I wish I bought that poster
I was disappointed they didn’t make a 500/500 one.
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Nope
Haven’t seen it. Original price was pretty good, IIRC, especially with the autograph.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
It was a giveaway.
At least the one I have.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 6:16 PM PST up reply actions
/adds groug on foursquare
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by troymccluresf on Dec 17, 2011 12:39 AM PST up reply actions
A chill went down my spine. I sensed a certain…grougness in the air. I tried to attribute it to the damp air or the nachos I had in the 4th inning, but it was persistent. There was no doubt about it, groug lurked nearby.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2011 1:44 AM PST up reply actions
/feels the stare
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 8:51 AM PST up reply actions
Ah, different then
I remember a nice silkscreened piece, not that large, but a drawing of Barry on the bases, orange background, sold in the Giants store framed with Barry’s autograph commemorating 400/400.
"Your curses do not compare to those of Houston fans or Detroit fans, and especially not to those of fans from the northside of Chicago. You are not Hamlet. You are Valerie Bertinelli. Your victim act is schlocky, and totally unconvincing. You fancy yourself tormented. You are merely insecure."
-- Scott Burton to Red Sox fans, 6/12/02
http://espn.go.com/magazine/burton_20020612.html
by achiappanza on Dec 17, 2011 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
**Ding, Ding* Correct answer
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400-400 in a single season would be really fucking impressive.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
400/400 in a career is pretty impressive too
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Absolutely.
But, I mean, 400 steals in one season? That’s inhuman.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
You'd need at least 800 PAs
To have 400 HRs and get on base an additional 400 times
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But you can steal 3 bases for every PA.
So you would only need like 534 PAs. Much more reasonable.
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by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 17, 2011 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
400-400, not 40-40. good catch
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
I've met Barry twice
He was a very nice gentleman on both occasions. Perhaps I just got lucky. /shrug
Perception gets shaped by those that write the history. Barry wasn’t the nicest guy to those people and they raked him over the coals for it. I once got into an email slap fight with Jeff Passan over this. Jeff contention was that Barry not only was obligated to answer any question put forth, but that he had to do so in a cordial way. I called bullshit on that and said Barry’s only obligation was to be there when you asked the question. The decision to answer or not or his attitude when he did or didn’t was entirely his choice. Our discussion enevtually devolved into a “NO U!!” type of thing.
So yeah, fuck the haters. Barry wasn’t the only one no matter how much they tried to portray him that way. Barry was just the best one.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:03 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Is there any person in the media
you haven’t gotten into an e-mail slap fight with?
I think John Shea is pretty new
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He made Jaymee Sire cry.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU!
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Yeah, I need to stop doing this
They are all pretty thin-skinned, but I do have a knack for getting under folk’s skin. Believe it or not, I’ve mellowed with age.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
i read that as getting under foreskin
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:35 PM PST up reply actions
Lars is TIM TEBOW!!!
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That sounds like Jeff Passan.
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 16, 2011 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Passan and Jeff Pearlman are entitled turdwads.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Passan can write, and he has his moments. Pearlman is a caricature of everything I don’t like about sportswriting.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2011 2:08 PM PST up reply actions
Passan can write.
He just often makes me wish he wouldn’t.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Passan's a hack.
Having the tools to do something and making proper use of those tools aren’t the same thing.
I submit that Jeff Passan is his profession’s Raul Mondesi.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:12 PM PST up reply actions
HOW DARE YOU, SIR!
His CHILD could’ve been looking at the computer screen over his shoulder AND READ YOUR SLUR!
LOL
I am pretty sure this is not the headline.
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Wow
Rob Neyer:
Here’s what you get from a half crazy-eyed, half clear-thinking baseball fan who’s just seen one of his once-favorite players avoid a stint in the clink:
When I was in high school, one of my favorite players — along with a few of his teammates — was actually sent to prison for using drugs. I don’t recall cheering for him any less, upon his return.
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I mean he's not even a Giants fan.
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I don’t even understand what this means. There is such a disconnect between a HS baseball player and the all time HR leader.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:22 PM PST up reply actions
He's saying that
fans are fans
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Slow down
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
nevermind, I read that last sentence totally wrong. I read that as him saying he despised the guys after their return from jail.
I hate double negatives in sentences
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
So you don’t not hate them, then, is what you’re saying.
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by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 11:56 AM PST up reply actions
He is not in fact not saying that.
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Isnt Neyer a Royals fan?
I think he might be talking about one of the guys who got busted with Jefferey Leonard and others for Coke. Actually I don’t think Leonard was convicted of anything but he was supected of or tied to in some way a Coke ring among baseball players in the 80s. My memory of this is vague and I am posting on the fly with out wiki-ing it. I think Amos Otis or Willie Aikens was part of it.
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Grew up a Royals fan, I believe. From the KC area, like JoPo.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Posnanski grew up in Cleveland, actually, which is why his favorite player growing up was Duane Kuiper. He ended up moving to KC as an adult and covering their teams for the newspaper there.
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Ah.
Didn’t they both write for the KC star at some point, though (if separately)?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Here we go, from Aikens' Wiki,
Toward the end of the 1983 season, Aikens and several of his Royals teammates were questioned by U.S. Attorney Jim Marquez in connection with a federal cocaine probe. Following the season, Aikens, Jerry Martin and Willie Wilson pleaded guilty to attempting to purchase cocaine, while former teammate Vida Blue pleaded guilty to possession of three grams of coke.7 Aikens, Blue, Martin and Wilson were all sentenced to three months in prison.
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Do you mean Vida Blue?
Vida was on of 4 Royals busted for drugs in the early 80s. I don’t recall Jeffrey Leonard getting mixed up in anything of the sort.
Actually...
With each new witness, the roster of players who admitted using or were alleged to have used cocaine grew: Hernandez, Joaquin Andujar, Lonnie Smith, Enos Cabell, Dave Parker, Jeff Leonard, Lary Sorensen, Al Holland, Dickie Noles, Gary Matthews, Dick Davis, J.R. Richard, Bernie Carbo, Dale Berra, Rod Scurry, John Milner….
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Hell
I used cocaine in the 80s. It was pretty popular and surprisingly affordable. Well, unless you let it ruin your life.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Reading Keith Richard’s Life and wow, Merck pharmaceutical pure by the ounce. Them’s were the days.
/cocksucker_blues’d
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I may want to watch this
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I have heard good things about Clubhouse Confidential.
And I found Kenny to be one of the more palatable anchors on ESPN during his time there.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
I watched it yesterday
It was entirely dedicated to Japanese players who came over to MLB and how they have done, then talking about Yu. It was pretty good.
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Brian Kenny makes you realizes how big of a gap existed between ESPN & MLB Network’s coverage and analysis before he was hired.
In what way? Who does the gap favor?
(Just looking for clarification here, I don’t get occasion to watch much MLB network outside of the intolerably bad Intentional Talk.)
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
MLB Network was adequate because of the access it provided, but the analysts and hosts are basically ex-players and fawning anchors in nice clothes. Kenny’s got a persona to some extent, and that makes him a cut above the other anchors. I don’t know how much he had to do with creating the Clubhouse Confidential show, but it’s a strong push against the whole “just lace ’em up and go after it” mentality that influences most of the “analysis” on the network.
Went to MLB.com to find Bonds' highlight
the only clip is of him breaking the HR record. Ridiculous.
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Their video archives don’t go particularly far back.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
They have a lot of clips from 1970s and 1980s
they just don’t put them up.
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o_O
I don’t have any illusions that Bonds is someone I’d want to go backpacking with through Europe
OMG, what I wouldn’t do, who I wouldn’t kill, and what I wouldn’t sacrifice to do this! We’re talking Klondike Bar status, time eleventy-billion!
It would be a fucking BLAST!
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by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
What's wrong with getting your shoes shined in an airport?
It’s a great way to kill time….
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I’d feel uncomfortable.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
Me too, checking in to the hotel for the last Dodger series in 93. Walked up to him and said “thank you,” shook his hand and walked back to my line at the counter (he was in the “Barry Only” line).
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
He came into a restaurant in San Diego with his family and walked right past my table. I wanted to tell him thanks and that he’s my favorite, etc… but I didn’t want to be that guy and would probably have come off as an idiot anyway.
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I wonder if a low key fist bumped and nod would have worked
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Slight OT:
ARod’s chance of catching Barry?
629 and will be 37 in mid-season.
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Slightly better than my chances of waking up next to Salma Hayek tomorrow.
If only because, with six years left on the contract, he’ll get the opportunity.
The math isn’t bad – only has to hit 22 or so per year for the rest of the contract.
Father Time, on the other hand, is a stone-cold, unforgiving bastard. He’s going to have to try to hit some of those back-end homers in the next few years.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
I saw a chart that illustrated the change in ISO for a typical “premiere” slugger over the course of their career by tenure. And A-Rod’s chart fits the curve almost perfectly… and is right before the age when the power disappears.
Not to say that it happens to everybody, (see Thome, Jim), but the odds probably aren’t quite as in his favor as many people seem to believe.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Could happen.
He’s still under contract for 6 more years. SIX! Wow.
That’s crazy.
So he’ll have the incentive to keep coming back to chase the record. He needs to average just over 20 HR per season through the end of the contract. That’s very doable, especially if he gets a few more 30+ HR seasons in.
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Wow. I didn’t realize he’d hit so “few” over the past 4 years. It would take about all 6 years of that contract to break it at that rate.
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If he becomes an opposite field hitter, he should have no problem. His current home yard is a little league field.
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by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
Which would probably still be historic HR output for a fella pushin' 43, which he will be by then.
If he stays on the ~30 HR pace he’s been on the last 2 1/2 years, and stays healthy, he can get there in four years.
I’m not convinced either one of those propositions are terribly likely, however.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:34 PM PST up reply actions
If he went
30, 30, 25, 18, 12, 10
He’d be two shy of tying.
That seems doable to me. Tough, but doable. Really every extra HR he gets over that in the next 3 years is going to be worth a lot.
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Pretty much exactly that, yeah.
My feeling is that if he gets 70 over the next two years combined, he can pass 762.
If he doesn’t get to 70 by the end of 2013, I don’t think he makes it.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
I did the math wrong.
He’d still need 8 to tie.
Man those last 10 HR are going to be tough to get.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
So more like...
35, 30, 25, 20, 15, 9
I think if he gets to 100 in the next three seasons he can do it. otherwise it’s gonna be tough.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
The last four years have been 35, 30, 30, 16. He basically needs to repeat that then hit 22 more over two years.
I’d be betting against him to make it, but I have to admit to not witnessing much of his decline over the past few years.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
The more I think about it,
I agree. If I had to put up money on the proposition, I’d take the under.
The 14 HR he didn’t hit last year will probably be the difference.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
if ARod knows what’s good for him, he’ll retire right before breaking it. Otherwise, he’s the new goat. Hell, I’m not even sure MLB would allow him to break it.
Bonds was blacklisted from MLB after breaking the all time record in 2007. Then ARod comes along, an admitted steriod user who is still in the game, and breaks it. They can’t let that happen
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I think I could spend 30 days here.
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
that house with the pillars behind the pool looks awesome. but that is just entirely too much real estate
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
I doubt he minds
I’m sure Barry isn’t out there pushing a lawn mower.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:32 PM PST up reply actions
I’m sure he bought a riding one. He can afford it!
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
not after that conviction
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dude 4500 bucks
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
wait, THAT’S Barrys house? fuck me
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:39 PM PST up reply actions
it would be a terrifically bad idea, but
I would’ve loved it if he just pulled that out of his wallet immediately and slapped it down on the table.
The first six innings are overrated.
Walks up to the bench and starts making it rain
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:43 PM PST up reply actions
If I was rich and didn’t give a fuck what people thought, I would do that.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
My dad once got convicted of interfering with interstate commerce and fined $100 for doing so. He asked if the judge took traveler’s checks.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
When I was young my dad got pulled over for speeding in Montana. The cop was quite the asshole about it, making a big deal about our California plates.
When my Dad (who was not rich by any means) saw that the fee was $20, h asked the cop “Hey, if I just give you a fifty, can I speed through your whole goddamn state?”
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
For a couple years, Montana freeways had no speed limit.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
while there was no *posted* speed limit
You could still get ticketed for speeding if you were driving at an unsafe speed for the conditions.
That people didn’t grasp the distinction is why they ditched that law.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I had a friend who would also drive with a beer in hand, and that was apparently not an issue. Weird.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
That's the most hilarious thing I've heard all day
Mrs. Goofus and I are cracking up. You dad is our hero! (Mrs. Goofus added that your dad probably would not have done that if he was black.)
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
definitely not!
This was one of the “One redneck to another” privileges.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
Now watching
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpjwIvG_LR4
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Man
Andy Van Slyke really doesn’t like Bonds and I really dislike Kent now.
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seeing as their is no indication
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by David A. Arnott on Dec 16, 2011 1:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
by dregarx on Dec 16, 2011 2:23 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
xx
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
BREAKING NEWS!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:25 PM PST up reply actions
YOUR GRAMMAR IS CORRECT, THEREFORE YOU'RE ARGUMENT IS SUPERIOR!
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
Please follow my Twitter
by Murray, Present on Dec 16, 2011 2:27 PM PST up reply actions
Heavens to Betsy!
the world is comin’ to an end!
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
what if you came here for news!?
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I'm pretty clear on this - I don't care
I didn’t care then, and I don’t care now. Self-righteous folks on this issue don’t do much for me, and the idea that steroids make a player is absurd.
Jonathan Sanchez. He's left-handed, like Barry Zito. His fastball breaks 80, unlike Zito.
Owlcroft has a book he can sell you about this
Really, he does.
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Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Don’t get me started on this.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
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Steriods don’t make a player hit a baseball. The talent still has to be there in the first place.
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by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I love Baseball Reference
but ELO Rater has him as the 26th best batter in MLB history?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/ratings.cgi
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It's not really a scientific thing
This is a community-based project with the goal of rating the best players in MLB history. In each matchup, the user should choose the player who they believe was the better player. It is up to the user to determine how much weight to give to offense versus defense, peak value versus career value, regular season versus playoffs, etc.
from http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/elo.html
GROUGTHINK ALERT
Oh I see
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ELO Rater
Here are my Top 10 favorite:
10) Tightrope
9) Daybreaker
8) Don’t Bring Me Down
7) Fire on High
6) Mr. Blue Sky
5) Ma-Ma-Ma Belle
4) Laredo Tornado
3) Roll Over Beethoven
2) So Fine
1) Showdown
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
What?
No “Strange Magic?” No “Do Ya?” No “Last Train to London?” “Fire on High,” though. Fabulous.
"Mow bwiefings?" "More briefings."
“Strange Magic” and “Do Ya” were tough to leave off. Although I have to admit I do have an affinity for the Move’s shambling, rougher, more haphazard version. I like Bev Bevan’s bludgeoning drums throughout, and especially his full-scale pounding assault to kick off the outro.
Thank you Edgar Renteria, for hitting the ball three feet higher.
I would have included "Sweet Talkin' Woman"
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
That Top 10 list is pretty full of awesome
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
.
NPR Intelligence Squared US Debate: Should We Accept Steroid Use in Sports?:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18299098
I remember listening this and thinking that PED’s in sports would be fine as long as it was legal and it could be administered by a doctor.
You can listening to the program by clicking the link on the left side of the page.
Here’s a good documentary on steroids by National Geographic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCNUUH0JFmc
CNN report on celebrities using HGH:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCNUUH0JFmc
There’s a lot of disinformation out there.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
Ha
MLB Fake Rumors @MLBFakeRumors 1m
Bonds to pay poor tax of $15
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
I'm glad that Congress spent so much time and money on this extremely important matter
Ron Washington really Britta'd that Series.
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by Murray, Present on Dec 16, 2011 2:31 PM PST reply actions
I mean it's no BCS
but you know the country doesn’t really have that many problems.
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What is this I don't even
First world problems and all that, but holy champagne room, Batman.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
For Barry’s community service I propose he give me $10-$20 million so I can open a school for underprivileged youth.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I did not know this
The Giants drafted Bonds in the second round of the 1982 MLB draft as a high school senior, but the Giants and Bonds were unable to agree on contract terms when Tom Haller’s maximum offer was $70,000 ($159,274 today) and Bond’s minimum to go pro was $75,000, so Bonds instead decided to attend college.
I’m trying to imagine Bonds playing with the Giants for 25 years and wining a couple of world series with Clark and Thompson.
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$5,000? Talk about penny-wise and pound foolish.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 16, 2011 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
“In a word, no. Bonds, we would have been without [Mike] LaCoss, [Joel] Youngblood, [Harry] Spilman, [Manny] Trillo – —obviously not being able to field a competitive team.”
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
by EliminateMe on Dec 16, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Dammit
“If we had signed Bonds, we would have…”
Where’s that damned editor?
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
I believe the story was that
Frank Robinson offered to pay the extra $5,000 himself, but the Giants wouldn’t let him do it.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
owlcroft was there at the time. Maybe he could confirm or deny it.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I was, but I can't.
I don’t remember it being discussed at all at the time, and he and I talked a lot.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Bonds as a teen
Not sure if you all are familiar with Central Park in San Mateo, but these are the two most impressive shots I’ve seen a high schooler hit (he played for American Legion Post 82):
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 2:45 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I should MS Paint all the places in that park where I got high.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2011 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Haha!!
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
You wouldn’t be able to see the actual park.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
(in my case, anyway – my best friend in high school lived about four blocks from there)
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 2:57 PM PST up reply actions
I live about four blocks from there now! Maybe I’m your friend!
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions
The closing of Gestapo’s deli on 12th and B dealt a major blow to my ability to combat the munchies.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions
(Also, supposedly The Residents recorded in the second floor of that building)
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
As a rule of thumb I don’t believe any story I ever hear about The Residents.
The first six innings are overrated.
That is a good rule of thumb.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
/beats you about the head and neck with a dowel as thick as my thumb
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 3:07 PM PST up reply actions
Its so hard to smoke in parks nowadays. So many paranoid parents.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 3:04 PM PST up reply actions
2nd hand smoke is really bad for little kids
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Not while there's kids there!
I’m talking at like 1 AM.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
REC'D
"A Giants game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings."
ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)
November 1, 2010: Best/craziest/drunkest night of my life.
by GIANT stoner on Dec 17, 2011 2:28 PM PST up reply actions
I played there. It’s fucking deep to center field.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 2:49 PM PST up reply actions
TWPTBS
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Dec 16, 2011 2:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's a bandbox compared to Washington Park
I don’t think I could have hit one out of center there from second base.
by Grant Brisbee on Dec 16, 2011 2:53 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed.
I’ve played there as well and just getting it to the trees in center is a bomb for a High School. I hit a shot out there and it only 3 or 4 hopped to the trees. I got a triple. Man, I was slow.
by BestHyperboleEver on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
All covered in eye black and whatnot.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Wow, the mini trade ride?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
train, god dammit
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Many Great Memories
Spent nearly every Sunday for a decade there while Dad played sporadically for the Blues and the Orioles in the late 50’s and 60’s. Started as bat boy and ball-shagger. Eventually pitched a little batting practice. Played one inning in left field under an assumed name when i was in high school for team from Oakland until their third car arrived. Struck out on three fantastic curve balls from Ray Wolger, who later signed with the Phillies but never made it out of the low minors (from what I heard). Some great players came through: Dick Stuart, Wes Stock, Wally Bunker, Jim Fregosi among others, along with some who were great at one or two aspects of the game but didn’t have the full package. It was enough to awe me because I had none of the package.
by NearestNorwich on Dec 16, 2011 7:46 PM PST up reply actions
Ray Ratto chat transcript (12.16.11) BLOCKQUOTES!
do giant really believe thay can extend timmy with out gettin major offensive help, and if so what are they puttin gin the water 2 the front office?
by danimal869 12:08 PM
Yes they do. And yes they are.
by Ray Ratto CSN 12:08 PM
The Giants front office have made a committed effort to keep their distance from Bonds throughout this event. How or will they now bring him back into the “family”?
by AlanFoster54 12:09 PMNo way to know, since the new big money guy, Charles Johnson, has no record of being close or distant from him. He’ll decide how close the Giants and Bonds become
by Ray Ratto CSN 12:10 PM
Will the Giants rebound and be a playoff team nest year?
by HaroldWandenstaph 12:17 PM
No.
by Ray Ratto CSN 12:18 PM
why are the giants broke? did they not sell enough panda hats?
by Kim 12:21 PMWho says they’re broke?
by Ray Ratto CSN 12:21 PM
Giants could hire barry as a batting coach
by jim 12:35 PM
Not while Sabean is the general manager
by Ray Ratto CSN 12:35 PM
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
Wait
Giants FO didn’t seem to be distancing themselves from Bonds certainly not in the last few years.
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That’s because they were already at max distance.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
From my prospective
it seemed like Magowan was more anti-Bonds than Sabean but then again, what do I know.
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Magowan was the lead prosecutor in the Bonds trial.
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If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
Magowan is currently attempting to construct a time machine to go back and kill not Hitler’s eventual father, but Bobby Bonds.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, they seemed to be gradually easing him back in the last couple of years.
But Neukom said in an interview I posted on here that they were waiting for the legal stuff to end before they would fully welcome him back.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
BEAT
THEY
ASS
The first six innings are overrated.
by apistat on Dec 16, 2011 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
NLCS game 3
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12875139&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_12875139&v=3
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=12859975&c_id=mlb
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Oh what the fuck is this?
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=20032243&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_20032243&v=3
I click on your link and the next video is of Andres Galarraga getting the final out of an NL West clinching game against the Giants in 1995.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
Isn’t that where we got the gif of him stepping up and down the dugout steps? (I’m not watching that goddamn ad again.)
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
So if Sabean goes we can Hire Bonds as hitting instructor?
talk about a win-win scenario
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by jctGamer on Dec 16, 2011 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Nah.
You can’t teach what he has.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
At the very least you’d have to start very early in life.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 3:08 PM PST up reply actions
Barry's eyesight is superior to most
He can slow down time with it
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
Apparently his dad and Willie threw numbered balls to him as a child to improve his pitch recognition skills (as with Residents stories, this may well be apocryphal).
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Apparently his dad and Willie threw numbered balls to him as a child to improve his pitch recognition skills
This is very likely, as this technique is still widely used today in youth coaching.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Wait hold up, I’m not sure I get it.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
In a valiant effort to avoid falling into the chasm..nvsfg posts a response..
http://www.baseballrox.com/training/baseball-hitting-drills.php#id=bbrx&num=3
http://www.ripkenbaseball.com/cc/notebook/?article_id=832
Basically, the concept is that to train pitch recognition and for keeping focus in the hitting zone, you take baseballs/softballs and place a number on them. You ask the player to call out the number on the ball prior to hitting it, and you can also tell them to “take” the pitch of a specifically numbered ball. It is harder to do than seems it would be. It work very well to keep hitters from pulling up and taking their eyes away from the hitting zone.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I had heard it was either tennis or ping pong balls, but yeah, this.
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by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Not a big fan of tennis balls because they bounce too much. Wiffle golf balls work really well depending on the age of the player. I always like to use a smaller ball than they would normally be hitting.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I think there’s something to the theory that marginal players make better coaches.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Barry trying to coach someone
“Here, let me show you. When the pitcher throws the ball, you just get ready and hit the ball really hard if it is a strike.”
/launches one into the cove
“Now, do it just like that.”
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
Brandon Belt cries in the corner again. Actually, Belt is the closest thing I think we have to a power hitter on this team outside Pablo. Hell, Belt could out-HR him if given a starting job in 2012.
<3 Kanani Madison
by giant4life83 on Dec 16, 2011 3:15 PM PST up reply actions
Belt’s supposed to be more of a doubles hitter in the Will Clark mold. He hit a really surprising number of home runs this year.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
He’s supposed to grow into his power. I think at his best we would see something akin to 2010 Huff. Big guy, flat swing.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
The Will Clark comp sounds nicer, though. Because, you know, Will Clark.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I am not really old enough to know what vintage Will Clark looks like.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Can we just go back to making fun of El Person for barely remembering Steve Young?
The first six innings are overrated.
Nah, Jerry Rice is the one I barely remember. I don’t remember Steve Young at all.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I remember Armando Rios, though.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Oh, wow, he had a 123 OPS+ as a Giant. And yet they traded him and Vogelsong just for half-seasons of Schmidt and Vander Wal. I liked the trade at the time, but it wasn’t very good, was it?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
"The Nusch."
As it turns out, when I get spectacularly drunk and want to make people laugh but no longer possess motor skills or speech, I just make the Will Clark face for minutes on end.
I learned this in a video shot by a friend after he ordered flaming Dr Peppers at the Red Room in Santa Cruz a few months ago.
My friends are assholes.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
You mean this one ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
More pronounced, but yeah.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
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Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
The upstairs Red Room, or the one next to Planet Fresh where the real scary alcoholics hang out?
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
HEY FUCK YOU THOSE SCARY ALCOHOLICS ARE MY FRIENDS
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh.
My friends use to live on Blackburn, so Asti/Avenue were always the first stop. I hate both those places.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
The Nasti!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2011 2:07 PM PST up reply actions
Let me help
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
vintage Will Clark
, but it shows so much of what made Will Clark a bad-ass: the trademark stance, complete with bat waving, the sweet swing, the facial expressions, the eye black, the attitude.
I’ll never love another player like I loved Will Clark. In part because I’ll never be a kid again. But also he was fucking awesome.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
LOL
WTF those unis!
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2011 2:47 PM PST up reply actions
Throwback day!
Also, special guest appearances by Willie McGee and Eric Gregg.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
What’s that on the front?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
It appears to be a baseball. Those might even be NY Gothams-old.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Holy cow.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 18, 2011 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
I wasn't much of a kid (in age) then
But he was really special.
Though it is clearly well-informed, we find his argument unconvincing; however, the possibility that we are too stupid to comprehend it deserves serious consideration. Germane Literature: The Cutting Edge 13:2, 4/2006
I actually love Panda more
Not a knock on Clark in the slightest)
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Yeah
Michael Jordan coach experiment did not go so well. Also see Isiah Thomas and Larry Bird
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
“Okay guys, they are going to try and block you from entering the zone. Just skate through them, deke around a couple of defenders and put the puck in the net. Got it? Good!”
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Grand Jury
I am still ticked at the waste of Fed times and money. Pres Clinton lied to a GJ and had less punishment.
Go Giants
Lake Champlain?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
sl
My Photo Blog: http://eyeprints.tumblr.com,
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I didn't choose to be a Giants fan, I was born into it. November 1, 2010 World Champions.
Proud Adoptive Parent of one of the best Five Tool Players, The Machine.
“I’d like you to help me with a fund raiser. And by fund I mean my penis.”
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
by jhiat00 on Dec 16, 2011 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
From the beginning, I didn’t like Barry because he pissed people off and didn’t give a crap what people thought of him. At the same time, I always loved Barry because he pissed people off and didn’t give a crap about what people thought of him.
I didn’t like defending him, and those who lived outside of the Bay Area during Barry’s days had to put up with a lot more crap than the local Giants fans.
Giants Baseball: Hope like hell
Proud father of the man in charge of taking your hard-earned cash.
I didn’t like defending him, and those who lived outside of the Bay Area during Barry’s days had to put up with a lot more crap than the local Giants fans.
This has been my life.
Proud parent of SD-born Shane Loux.
If Cain is with us, who can be against us? - atxgiantsfan
In my experience
People who piss people off and don’t give a fuck what other people think of them are best admired from afar
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
It’s only 3pm?
oy
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
gah’s bong is probably all liquored up at his company party already.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I’m waiting on 2 phone calls regarding interviews, I’m almost willing to bet that I’ll just be twiddling my thumbs for the next 2 hours and that nobody will actually call.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
this was true.
drinking Vespers like James Bond
3pts Terroir Gin, 1pt Vodka, Lillet, Lemon Twist
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2011 2:10 PM PST up reply actions
When does Bud Selig get sentenced
For being the real reason steroids became prevalent in baseball.
He couldn’t have been oblivious in 1998 when McGuire and Sosa were saving the game of baseball from the 1994 strike. He did it for business reasons then, and then scapegoated Barry. He was easier to blame, what with being an asshole and all.
1993 pulled me into baseball like nothing ever had before, and I’ve been hooked ever since. I can never have anything against the man who gave me one of the loves of my life, baseball.
"Liberal is to the media what the 2008 San Francisco Giants are to good baseball."
-My Father.
Or he could just come clean and admit they juiced the baseballs.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Effing juiced ball BS...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZyF8SQbDDk
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
It's not just Bud Selig...
It’s all of us. We didn’t want to know, we just wanted to see some dingers… and now we’re outraged. OUTRAGED.
GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS GIANTS
by J. Frank Parnell on Dec 16, 2011 5:40 PM PST up reply actions
Barry Bonds will always be a great SF Giant
He helped to bring the Giants from the brink of Tampa Bay in 1993 and allowed the Giants to build AT&T Park.
He did as much as any player for any organization in history of baseball.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Not so fast
November 10, 1992
Major League Baseball rejects Giants’ owner Bob Lurie’s $115 million deal with Florida investors which would have moved the Giants to St. Petersburg, Florida.
What he did was put butts in the seats
1992 Candlestick Park 19,272 1,560,998
1993 Candlestick Park 32,177 2,606,354
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
I said helped
You don’t think if the Giants kept sucking…moving would have came up again?
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
ATT was the park Bonds built
Which reminds me, why on earth did the Yankees destroy their old stadium?
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 3:37 PM PST up reply actions
For the Billion plus that made the new park
You could have made the old one way better, and still kept it.
Whatever, Wrigly and Fenway will be there for 100’s of years.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
And putting butts in the seats was what kept the Giants around and let them build their yard.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Oh, look what happened to the Pirates after Barry left:
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/pitatte.shtml
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
That’s an active losing streak of 19 seasons BTW.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
I still love Sullivan’s (I think?) comment that if the Pirates’ losing streak was a person you could legally have sex with it.
The first six innings are overrated.
If the losing streak had sex with you...
…people would say it just continued
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Or, if you're the local pro quarterback, illegally.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 12:15 PM PST up reply actions
FREE BARRY, BITCHES!
They tried to Chris Webber him, but it didn’t work.
At this point, I'm pretty much done with surprises - Michael Crabtree
SIXTEEN DAYS WEEKEND INCOMING
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
I HATE YOUR FACE!!
I am working through the end of the year.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 16, 2011 3:09 PM PST up reply actions
I will be covering for my co-worker from next Thursday through the end of the year and I will have to work on at least one company holiday during that time!
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
I’ve had a 6 month weekend. Stoopit weekend.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I'm self-employed
What is this “weekend” you speak of?
NorCal passion trapped in SoCal pain...
I wanna rage.
What is this"weekend"“health care” you speak of?
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:29 PM PST up reply actions
I get the 23rd to the 3rd off mandatory with pay and without using any of my pto hours.
Kickham where it hurts
by say hey nation on Dec 16, 2011 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Me too, but I have to use vacation on the non-holidays.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2011 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
I have always felt that there is no comparison in baseball to Bonds/SF love affair.
He was raised a few miles from the home park. His dad was a star on the team. His godfather, greatest player in team history, and baseball history. Part of the salvation of the franchise as we know it, and breaker of records. No one in baseball has that kind of link to a fanbase/franchise.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
Nicolai is a rapper...no baseball for him.
Also, HUGE stoner.
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
Well thought out article Grant. I personally would have just posted this.
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Dec 16, 2011 3:19 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
I was surprised to find out Triple H was marrying the boss’s daughter.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
That was a really weird time in wrestling
and that’s saying a lot.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Go be merry in thehavenot’s fanpost – or something.
a great idea that’s not getting enough attention.
http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/2011/12/15/2638489/mccovey-chronicles-christmas-cards
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Forget all this negativity and rosterbation
I am going to watch highlights from the 2010 WS.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Hey Beergeeks...
Have you heard of Almanac Autumn Farmhouse Pale from San Jose?!
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I'm Close Personal Friends™ with the brewer.
I have two of the summer and two in the fall in my fridge.
They contract brew; the first one at Drake’s in San Leandro and the second at Heritage, but they themselves are SF-based.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:40 PM PST up reply actions
Cool. I noticed they are the only draft in one of SF’s hottest restaurants (Frances) and havent heard of it. Figured it was either a friends-of-the-restaurant thing or it was real dope.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
I mean, I’m clearly biased, but the beer is really fucking good. It also doesn’t last long anywhere it is, so if you want to try it, I suggest you do it.
They’ll be doing something with 4505 Meats during SF Beer Week.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
I think Healthy Spirits & City Beer may still have some. Shotwell’s should, too.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Nice.
They do some pretty cool events from time to time, too.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:55 PM PST up reply actions
Beer Update
My buddy who is staying with me this weekend is already at my house while I’m still stuck at work. I told him to go to the jug shop and try to find Almanac or Pliny. He texted me that he got Stella.
WWRWD?
Perhaps you should make it clear that
My buddy who is staying with me this weekendis subject to change at the host’s whim.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 5:20 PM PST up reply actions
They are available in bottles at Bi-Rite and Flour and Water. The Where to buy list is on the site TMcC posted below). It also contains this:
Inspired by the fruit markets of San Francisco’s Mission District, our Autumn 2011 Farmhouse Pale is an homage to indian summer in Northern California. By selecting the last organic plums of the season and blending in rich piloncillo—an unrefined brown sugar popular in Mexican desserts—we brewed a beer that celebrates both the Bay Area fall harvest and one of San Francisco’s most vibrant neighborhoods.
One way or another, this darkness got to give.
Frances is awesome. Good buddy of mine works there. Which is helpful.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 17, 2011 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
http://www.almanacbeer.com/ourbeer/autumn-2011-farmhouse-pale/
http://www.almanacbeer.com/ourbeer/summer-2010/
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
7% is quite reasonable
around 9% is where I start thinking brewers are just caring more about their alcohol content than the flavor.
The first six innings are overrated.
Dammit, Lagunitas, you made me late for work AGAIN.
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
Nope.
There are some (not many, but some) around 11% that are absolutely fantastic-tasting. Pliny the Younger & Speakeasy’s The Don are among them. Plus a range of barleywines.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:50 PM PST up reply actions
Pfft.
That’s our session beer ABVs. :)
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
Off to buy my christmas present.
Apple TV.
I’m 9 days away from watching NBA league pass on my TV, 100 bucks to follow all 66 games of 5 teams of my choice, with DVR capability and HD resolution all without paying a cable bill.
Then in April I will do the same with baseball. 100 bucks, all teams, DVR, HD, the whole thing…
In between my kids will download super cheap video games and play them adinfinitum while their wii gathers dust.
RIP 2011 Giants Post Season
I use Roku for the same with baseball
I like it.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Rec’d for the Roku reference. I love mine.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Yea
HBO GO is finally on there. If I can get HBO without the ADVANCED cable package, I would cut cable totally, just get the basic $12 package and Roku the rest.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
I am in this line.
If I can get HBO without the ADVANCED cable package, I would cut cable totally, just get the basic $12 package and Roku the rest.
Aaand this is why the Broadcast and Cable networks hate the streaming platform.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I bet the steam power industry felt similarly about the internal combustion engine.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yea
Also why I am all for Xbox and Netflix producing their own content.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I love/hate apple at the same time
I am very curious about google tv too. Something is going to eventually nuke cable.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
One of my sales reps has Google TV. The content is not really there yet. Hulu + is missing, as well as the Sports Packages and he says the Netflix interface is a little wonky. BUT YOU GET YOU TUBE !!
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I love my Roku for hockey, pandora, and netflix. Such a great little machine.
Fear the Fin - NEEDS MORE DOVES
Not local games, though, right?
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Correct
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Goddammit.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 4:10 PM PST up reply actions
Since you live in the City, you are basically screwed except for what is broadcast locally or on an “approved” league channel. If you are in a surrounding area, you get the feed of whatever is deemed to be the team market. NHL seems even worse than MLB if that is even possible. My daughter bought the NHL package on Roku (Reno) , but could not get one damn Sharks game unless the game was not broadcast anywhere else ( CSNBA, NBC, Versus, etc) . They promptly refunded her money.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Yeah.
Only thing I’ve though to do is buy a Slingbox, hook it up at my friend’s house (he has cable) and watch on my computer.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
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by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
This works…looks around for the media police…I do this with my Netflix account and Hulu through Roku. My daughter pays one and I pay the other. I would think they are going to figure it sometime just by by the IP.
With Slingbox the random IP is what’s supposed to happen.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I think I’ll do this when I leave for college.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Dave Flemming wins again
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Not live games
You have to wait like 90 minutes after completion for your “blackout” zone. I have to suffer through the damn Padres announcers, god freaking aweful.
I had MLB extra innings 2 years ago, so I heard about 1-3 broadcasts from each team, SD was the freaking dregs. Not only were they stupid, but they made me angry with Giants hate. Scully never showed such negativity. The Pirates have dumbasses too, but they weren’t so partial. The Braves were very partial, but at least knowledgeable.
I was impressed with the Mets broadcast team. As a matter of fact I remember sometime after Molina was traded, they remarked after Posey threw someone out “That was a laser beam! Why in the world was he playing first?!” That was awesome.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
The Padres color guy is only eclipsed by Joe Buck for braodcaster I hate
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
The Padres have Dick Enberg
who is the worst tennis annoucer still living. At least he retired from tennis FINALLY!!!
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Is that the old guy, or old sounding guy?
He is bad, but doesn’t invoke madness in me
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
He's waaaaay old.
He’s not as bad for baseball, for some reason, but he’s TERRIBLE at tennis. He says the most obvious shit possible, has no real clue what is going on. Completely useless.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
It is like Joe Buck and playoff baseball
The guy even says he doesn’t like baseball, he prefers football. The damn playoff baseball broadcasters spend 3/4 of the time talking about things other than the game going on.
Brutal.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
Enberg had this tic or something that caused him to say “2 points from the set” every time someone got to 30-anything. It’s like he didn’t understand how tennis is scored. And they just kept letting him do it for years. It got so bad, he’s say someone was “6 points from the set” when they were up 30-0 and it was 4-4. I kid you not.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Scully never showed such negativity.
To busy talking about Farmer John products. Love ya Vin.
We are really lucky as Giants fans ( or I am really biased) , but the Giants broadcast crew is very, very good. I like the TV side, but Miller and Flemming can make me sit in the car outside my house and listen to the end of an inning.
There are very few organizations announcers that I can tolerate, and some that actually make me cringe.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
MLB Audio has made me like Miller and Flemming that much more.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Miller is a genious
If I could invite one guy to a party, it would be him.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
mrs. nvsfg wants to go on Giants cruise just for that reason. She told me she would corner him somewhere on the boat and make him tell her baseball stories.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
She probably would not need to corner him
But find a spot in the half circle of people around him
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
One could just loiter about Moss Beach and hope to run into him I suppose….
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 4:43 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of a long drive down just in the hope of catching Jon Miller on the beach.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I would hang around local markets and cafes I think, but yes, it’s a strategy more suitable for coastal residents (or possibly the unemployed and/or homeless).
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
#occupymossbeach
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Those guys do not get enough credit for the popularity of the franchise.
Just play a Brandon or two, come on!
Their contracts indicate the team is aware of this.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 4:37 PM PST up reply actions
We are spoiled like crazy
I don’t know a Giants fan hardly who isn’t in love with the team.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
How long has Miller been broadcasting for the Giants? When I was a kid, my dad used to listen to the Giants on the radio, and I thought, AGHHH, get me outta this car!! Listening or watching baseball was torture for me.
Now, I love Miller and Flemming.
That was probably HOF'r Lon Simmons
Miller has been around since at least the 90s if I recall, I could look it up, but if I was going to that much work, I might as well be doing my job.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
I remember being depressed when Hank left. I was not a big Lon Simmons fan, but my wife grew up listening to him call A’s games and Giants games. He finally won me over.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
What don’t you like?
I have one that I use about 3 times a month and I have no complaints.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2011 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
I don’t know if it’s a local issue, but renting a movie takes forever. The stream quality on the MLB.tv package is also closer to what I get on my phone than what I get on my computer.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
When i had slow DSL the download time would take forever…up to a couple hours. Then I changed to TWC internet and it takes about 3 minutes to get a HD movie to start. I have never used the mlb.tv deal on it, though.
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 16, 2011 9:45 PM PST up reply actions
Apple TV is great
I’m using it to access Netflix and watch all the anime I can stuff into my eyes
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
I don't care for Cuddyer but this is pretty hilarious
Also from Heyman, the Phillies made Michael Cuddyer an early contract offer worth more than $25MM. The club lost interest in Cuddyer, however, after signing Ty Wigginton and Laynce Nix. Cuddyer agreed to a three-year, $31.5MM deal today with the Rockies.
It’s more Sabean than the Sabean Vlad quote.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
RAJ is an idiot, of course.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
.
Ah, a trip down memory lane:
January 14, 2004|Henry Schulman
Sabean seems agitated most by the notion the Giants are weaker because they did not sign a big bat…Bonds added fuel to the debate by publicly challenging Sabean to sign a Guerrero or a Sheffield.
2008
Peter Magowan admitted after announcing he was quitting as MGP that the club erred on not pursuing Vladimir Guerrero.
Tim Kawakami: Giants join the ‘fringe’ by overpaying for Barry Zito
…
But come on, $126 million, almost a third more than any other offer, for a nonpower pitcher who has been increasingly wild and hittable of late?
After years of the Giants crying poor because of their stadium debt service and complaining that they weren’t a major-market club, that they couldn’t afford to bid against the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets and that they wouldn’t pay heed to the babblings of Nutty Fandom?
…
By the way, I think it’s fair for Original Fringers to wonder why the Giants didn’t spend this money two or three years ago for Vladimir Guerrero, Kevin Millwood or Greg Maddux.
That was back when the Giants were actually a Zito-level player or two away from another World Series trip, and back when Sabean lashed out at the complaints and the “lunatic fringe” was coined.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07001/750428-63.stm
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
RAJ's decision was a lot worse
because he actually had the money to sign Cuddyer and most of the pieces. Sabean had to use the money to fill up a bunch of holes on the roster.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Awesome
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — Shahid Khan wants the small-market Jaguars to broaden their fan base, even if it means playing overseas.
Khan, born in Pakistan, visited Jacksonville on Friday for the time since buying the franchise for $760 million. He spoke to coaches, front-office personnel and just about everyone else in the football facility. He said all the right things, even asking employees for input on how to improve the long-term viability of the franchise.
He also talked about his desire to develop an international fan base. He says it would “serve Jacksonville well to play a game or two overseas.” He adds that he expects the NFL to try reaching out to markets in the Middle East, India, Pakistan and Malaysia.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/nfl/12/16/jaguars-khan.ap/index.html#ixzz1gkMXt0HD
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
Ineffectual waste of money incoming...
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Strangely, I’ve never heard of Flex-N-Gate.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Jaipur Jaguars!
Or the Jeddah Jaguars!
"If it's weird, you know it's probably Wilson's." - Matt Cain
I read somewhere that the NFL was thinking that the next expansion [not LA] would be overseas. I don’t see how they do that, scheduling wise that is.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Well, they only play one game a week, which makes travel scheduling much easier.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah but… you want the 9ers flying all the way over to England playing on sunday, flying back home and playing again the next Sunday?
We’re starting to hear former coaches and players coming out against the Thursday games.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Schedule their bye week after their Euro trip
The Euro team would have a lot of travel…probably have to let them stay home after each road game so they never travel two weeks in a row
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I’ve heard of a plan to add a seventeenth game to the schedule where every team would play abroad. It’s an interesting idea, but are there really 16 cities that could sell out an NFL game every year?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
I was there in ‘93, driving through Hunters Point to sit in a 68,000 seat football stadium, clothed in 17 layers of thermals, ultimately watching on TV as Salomon Torres blew Will Clark’s final game as a Giant.
So now, when I put on my Giants cap with the World Series patch, walk from my office to the ballpark and sip my Pinot Noir on the Club Level of The House That Bonds Built, everyone who wants to vilify #25 gets a Giant “F- you.”
If these two crazy kids can't make it what hope is there for the rest of us!
Jimmy Traina @JimmyTraina 12m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
TMZ reporting that Kobe Bryant’s wife has filed for divorce. Now the big question: Does Kobe get that ring back? tmz.com/2011/12/16/kob…
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
It’s finally happened.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Oooh I wonder what state’s divorce rules are going to apply.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure California
Bill Simmons @sportsguy33 11m Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
I can’t make jokes on Twitter about anyone who’s getting divorced and didn’t have a pre-nup – it’s just bad marriage karma.
Enjoy those community property laws Kobe!
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
Yup
She filed in OC court.
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 16, 2011 5:31 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Don’t call it that.
I have Croix de Candlesticks older than you.
Golden Gate Beer Bars | Tweetybox
by troymccluresf on Dec 16, 2011 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Awwwwww yeah.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
care to elaborate?
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
winter break has officially begun
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Winter Break is coming.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Tell me about it. I just got home to the Bay Area, and I love that I was able to go for a run outside without a shirt.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I probably am.
What am I being accused of?
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
FLAUNTING
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Oh. But I run without a shirt, not without shorts.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
not without shorts.
That’s not flaunting, that’s a jail term.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
I did that my first time coming home for winter break from Cornell.
I do kinda miss it snowing in December. But I think it should snow in December and only December (it puts me in a Christmas-y mood). No snow in October/November or January/Feb/April
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
My pet peeve is that once it snows, I wish it would just stay below freezing and not thaw until it’s finally spring/going to stay above freezing. Ice pisses me off.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Totally.
This is perfect Christmas/other winter holiday weather (the view from the Cornell library):
But it should all melt immediately after New Years.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
That does look quite nice.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Unfortunately, in reality it sticks around until early May. :(
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 5:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don’t think I’d be able to deal with that. I’d go nuts. As it is, I’m going to go crazy running on an indoor track for 2-3 months.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Which is (one of several reasons) why I am glad to be back in the Bay Area.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 5:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you..
This was out in front of my house February 17, 2011 at 7 AM. I had already cleaned everything off once. I was pretty tired of snow at this point.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Strange that it didn’t snow in Champaign (except for that one time overnight a few weeks ago) before the semester ended this year.
Way more fun than Winter’s Bone. I got depressed just typing that.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Pre-release viewing of NIC finale ?
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
Mmmmmm hmmm.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 16, 2011 4:45 PM PST up reply actions
17 days!
How was your first semester of teaching?
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
It was pretty good!! It ended up a good note, the second to last day of school we took all the kids in the middle school who were “in good standing” to the Farmer’s Market and it was a lot of fun.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Awesome
I’m glad that your first year has gone pretty well. Some first years are pretty tough. Mine was rough. It’s always good to hear of somebody enjoying their job as a teacher.
Here’s to another good semester for you. And many more after that.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Oh, it's definitely rough and tough
but I’m trying like hell to always find the good in everything that happens!
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
But are you hoping like hell?
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Oh, well here's to things continually getting better
They do, if you care enough
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
Rockies have talked to Brad Lidge’s reps. Lidge will seriously consider Colorado, where he grew up and still has a home.
TroyRenck Troy Renck, Rockies
LF CarGo, CF Fowler, RF Cuddyer RT @carney215: @TroyRenck whats outfield look like now??
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
Curious
Did they trade Street yet? I remember the rumors, but don’t remember if it happened.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:52 PM PST up reply actions
Padres
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Closers
Red Sox can sign anyone to replace Papplebon, get someone for the same price, and still net the 2 draft picks from him leaving. Colorado can trade one they have, get prospects, and sign another one for the price they were going to pay the first one.
Seems like a loophole.
Blerg
by Myemail21479 on Dec 16, 2011 4:55 PM PST up reply actions
@DKnobler DKnobler
Rockies signing Cuddyer closes out one option for Beltran. Heard yesterday he has at least one offer for $10 mill per year.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
omg if he ends up making around the same as cuddyer.....
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
He should make more
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
How the hell does a guy go from the most sought after trade deadline acquisition to seemingly radioactive in the following offseason?
He spent some time injured in the second half, but it’s not like this was the same knee injury for him (my logic is that it’s better that it was something different, but I can see how others would disagree). And he’s a little bit older but he’s still not useless kind of old. Plus he put up pretty great numbers in the final month of the season. What is going on?
The first six innings are overrated.
And in between those two things he got rid of Boras
!!!
The first six innings are overrated.
Knees and Contract insurance
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
What I really hate about this is that they traded Wheeler for a player they weren’t going to be able to re-sign and couldn’t offer arbitration to.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
And he’s a little bit older but he’s still not useless kind of old.
So this why the Giants are not interested.
I'm a Giants Fan, but I'll always be rooting for Matt Downs
Adopted Son:Dan Burkhart , Future Backup To Buster Posey.
by nvsfg on Dec 16, 2011 5:11 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I know it's insane
But I’m still holding out hope the Giants get him back. I want my boy back!
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Taking him on for the last two months...
…is far less risky than taking him on for three years
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
If he gets signed for 1/10 by another team, especially in the NL west, this site will explode. And it should.
The first six innings are overrated.
I am prepared to throw myself down some stairs.
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 5:02 PM PST up reply actions
I’m prepared to throw others down some stairs.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He’s probably asking for a three year deal and teams don’t want to sign him for anything more than two years, or one year and an option.
Teams are looking elsewhere for outfielders and Beltran is waiting out the market hoping someone will offer him what he wants in the end after everyone else has been signed.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
If he signs for 2/20 or even 3/30 I may go homocidal.
Ross on Halladay: "I’d tried everything against him…going the other way, taking pitches, trying to walk…and nothing worked. I’d never tried going up there and just trying to hit a home run off him."
My boy has mad hops
I rant on Twitter
Aside from the Cardinals, I’m looking at Detroit or Philadelphia as possible destinations for Beltran.
But right now it’s looking like St. Louis because they appear to be actively talking with him.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 16, 2011 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
Blue Jays
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 16, 2011 5:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Blue Jays
The Golden Bear is ever watching
2011 Giants Adoptee: Orlando Cabrera (because everyone needs to be loved)
San Francisco Giants Won the 2010 World Series: Not a Typo
by CalBear949 on Dec 16, 2011 5:35 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Marlins.
Because why not catch em all?
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 5:37 PM PST up reply actions
You do realize he’s going to be 48 next year.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Couldn’t we just use him as a Pat Burrell pinch hitter type? Please?
by WhatsAMataHari on Dec 16, 2011 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
ALERT ALERT ALERT
My friend’s sister is battling cancer, so Martinez Kinders is having a fundraiser for her. $3 from every sandwich goes towards her recovery. Also, apparently Sergio Romo is going to be there signing autographs from 6-8 (meaning right now). Go buy a sandwich and meet Sergio Romo! Martinez Kinders!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 6:06 PM PST reply actions
Confirmed by Romo’s Twitter account!
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 6:08 PM PST up reply actions
Seriously though guys
It’s a great cause, you get to meet Romo, and you get a delicious sandwich.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
Do they have sliders?
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Oh damn
This may sound hypocritical, but I just went up there and no relief pitcher is worth waiting in that line.
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 16, 2011 6:28 PM PST up reply actions
In that vein, there’s a benefit being held for my friend who also has cancer. Here in Sacramento, of course, at place called On the Y. Located on Fulton and Fair Oaks. Starts at 7, so get a move on!
Andre Ethier: Gross-o-Matic 5000
-Adopted Giant: Dan Runzler
Holy shit.
On the fuckin’ Y. Coldest beer in town, if I recall. I used to see my buddies in The Walking Dead play there.
They still have that scary dog behind the bar?
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
last time I was there I had an unpleasant run-in with some white supremacists.
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
I’m trying to imagine a pleasant run-in with white supremacists and failing.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 1:40 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps with a semi.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
by speckops on Dec 17, 2011 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
“Oh hey, some white supremacists are here, let’s leave before they talk to us.”
Mark DeRosa , he had his moments.
Early in my time in Tallahassee, I was on a crowded bus where two white supremacists who almost looked like caricatures of rednecks (one was wearing a trucker hat and confederate flag t-shirt) were loudly going on about how blacks and Muslims were going to kill us all, Obama was “letting his friends in” from Iraq to commit terrorism, etc. The entire bus, aside from me and those two guys, was 100% black people.
Awwwwwwwkward.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
That was the wrongest day to wear the “I’m With Stupid →” t-shirt.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like they wanted to be intentionally infammatory
In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if the redneck get-up was intentional too.
Of course, maybe they’re just really stupid/insensitive red-necks.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Sounds like they wanted to be intentionally infammatory
Yes, definitely.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
I have two!
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
I am late to the party
Great commentary on Barry. He was OUR surly motherfucker, and the more baseball hated him, the more we loved him.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 16, 2011 6:21 PM PST via iPhone app reply actions
Better to be late than absent!
COMIN' ATCHA, FROM ANCHORAGE, ALASKA!
Fathaigh go mbuaimid!
Proud adoptive Father of Joe Panik. 2011 NWL MVP .
Job 1:14-15
NBC Bay Area: Bryan Stow Interview on Rock Center(video)
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Bryan-Stow-Interview-on-Rock-Center-135704528.html
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
The video stops after playing a fraction of a second for me. Anyone else?
by fishmicmuffin on Dec 16, 2011 7:02 PM PST up reply actions
Whern Renteria got the MVP award, he jostled awkwardly with Bochy for a second.
Am I behind the times noticing that (after the joking remark about putting someone’s eye out), Renteria really does have a cut on his upper left lid? You can see it every time he blinks during that interminable interview. Did everyone else notice that live or during the first three or four re-watchings?
It is the Holidays and she does seem pleasant:
hello
Greatings my sweetest one!
My name is Yanni, im really hot ukrainian girl
I very like the virtual hot meeting.
If you are realy interesting to love chat, meeting, change photos, hot webcam (skype) talk with me (or with my girlfriends)
please go to my web paage: www.sweetlove
my precious, kisses
Not sure you want to skype with that, bro.
my precious, kisses
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
I hope they put an asterisk on the record whenever somebody passes Bonds up
Because of how baseball basically blackballed Barry out of the sport when he was still one of the top hitters in the game and he still wanted to play.
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
Just watched some MLB clips
And let out a huge sigh. How much I love and miss baseball. Can’t wait.
Blerg
Oh, hey, the high school football state championship is on TV
I know people who know these guys.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
We were going to click past the Food Network until we noticed the dude cooking was wearing a Buster Posey t-shirt. Apparently diners, drive-ins and dives did a bit on HDR Coffee Shop.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
/shift-A
So … is it quiet around here or did I get left behind in an old thread?
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
"Chop. The Chopster. Ms Chopness. La Picadita." - gallo del cielo
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
Third Street Kings | Nine Shot First | @3rdStreetKings
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 16, 2011 10:24 PM PST reply actions
Damn.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
"Chop. The Chopster. Ms Chopness. La Picadita." - gallo del cielo
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
Third Street Kings | Nine Shot First | @3rdStreetKings
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 16, 2011 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Hola!
I was just wondering the same thing. I was skimming through comments and new ones never popped up. I guess everyone has just been hypnotized by Bonds’ swing.
Vroom. Walks. Five positions. Justin Christian
I've been fully suckered into the Twitterverse. Oops.
Howdy!
I see nothing wrong with being hypnotized by Bonds’ swing.
I'm still in the old thread.
"IT'S POSEY, YOU IDIOT." - Jon Miller
"Chop. The Chopster. Ms Chopness. La Picadita." - gallo del cielo
Clayton Tanner, the Flying Squirrel!
Third Street Kings | Nine Shot First | @3rdStreetKings
by walkoff baltimore chop on Dec 16, 2011 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
Idk how to quote stuff from twitter so ima just copy and paste this.
“Responding to fans on his Twitter feed, Omar Vizquel says he plans to play in 2012, isn’t returning to the White Sox and would “go now” if the Giants offered him a one-year deal (all links are via Twitter)."
I has twitters https://twitter.com/#!/APR_studios
Sign the 44 year older for 1 mil 1 year contract to backup crawford? he’d be a super mentor and I’d personally want him more than burris.
I has twitters https://twitter.com/#!/APR_studios
by Romosexual42 on Dec 16, 2011 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
Just read almost all of this thread
You guys are smart. I miss reading this place. Pretty soon I will have more time to do that — just in time for spring training! I miss the season and I miss Barry.
Also, why is “house arrest” such a bad thing, really. I would rob an Arco to have a judge force me to stay home for several months and never leave.
Still backing Notgardo, wheresoever he may wander. (Don't forget to wriiiite!)
Barry won't make the Hall of Fame
The Daily News said they polled 21 different HOF voters, and only seven said they would vote for him. Props to Jeff Blair of a Toronto newspaper who said he would vote for him because “he’s the best hitter I’ve ever seen.”
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
Is it really a Hall of Fame though, if the all time hits and HR leader aren’t in it?
Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.
by homegrowntalent on Dec 17, 2011 7:36 AM PST up reply actions
*leaders
Matt Cain is better than you, but apparently not cool enough for Showtime.
by homegrowntalent on Dec 17, 2011 7:37 AM PST up reply actions
If they don’t vote for Bonds they can’t vote for Clemens, and at that point it really does become a joke. You can’t have a hall of fame that excludes both maybe the greatest hitter and maybe the greatest pitcher in the history of the game.
The thing that bothers me is that many of these writers who are so high and mighty when it comes to HOF voting have far more skeletons in their closets than anyone they’re turning thumbs down on.
Proud owner of over 20,000 comments. (most of them in the wrong place) Oh yeah, and Buster Posey
I find...
The thing that bothers me is that many of thesewritershumans who are so high and mighty when it comes toHOF votingjudging other humans have far more skeletons in their closets than anyone they’re turning thumbs down on.
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
And Barry will take your ass upper deck, too.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 12:35 PM PST up reply actions
Obligatory...
BEAT THEY ASS!
"Man, you just can't beat a good bowl of gumbo." ~ William Nuschler Clark
He hast fifteen years to make it in.
Sooner or later, the assholes will cave or will be progressively replaced.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
unless he gets less than 5% of the vote.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He’s easily going to get that.
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
He will since McGwire got more than that as did Palmeiro. But I mentioned it because it would be a way to be out of the ballot (another way would be not even be on the ballot at all).
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
He'll probably eventually get in
But it’s stupid that he won’t get in on the first ballot. Just as it’s stupid that nobody has ever gotten a unanimous vote. Really, the HOF voters are pretty stupid as a group. /high and mighty human
Never mind, baseball gods. I don't love you any more. You've gone back to hating the Giants
Welcome to my new adopted Giant, Carlos Beltran. Well, actually, you're more like a foreign exchange student staying at my house for the summer. Regardless, win us a world series! ...ormaybe a game or two.
You are correct
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2011 7:55 PM PST up reply actions
Awwww….
Detroit reliever Al Alburquerque is likely to be sidelined for the first half of next season after surgery on his pitching elbow.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Luckily, Detroit can just call up Sal Santa Fe to replace him.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
Tommy Taos
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 8:53 AM PST up reply actions
I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS GUY EXISTS
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions
Jon Miller has a sad
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 17, 2011 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
WHOA
Ken_Rosenthal Source: #Reds acquire Latos from #Padres. Yonder Alonso among those headed to Pads. #MLB
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Wow
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
WOW
Who is Alonso?
Follow me on Twitter @MTLJosh
by Montreal Giants Fan on Dec 17, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Overrated Reds 1B/OF prospect
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
If he's the main chip in the trade
I think the Reds made out like bandits
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
by jponry on Dec 17, 2011 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Some people wanted Alonso over Posey iirc
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
and those people have turned out to be pretty wrong
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
his minor league hitting stats are pretty unimpressive, especially for a corner infielder/outfielder
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
he's been about a 120 ops+ hitter in the minors
which is solid but not great for a corner infielder/outfielder in the minors
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
People who wanted ________ over Posey were pretty wrong.
Cash rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar dollar bill y'all
Gerrit Cole!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
I don't remember anyone wanting Alonso
A lot of people definitely wanted Smoak, and a few Gordon Beckham, but I don’t remember a lot of Alonso advocates. Although, as I recall, wilriv thought Alonso > Smoak.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
This seems kinda dumb for the Padres
unless they get one of the Reds catching prospects too or something
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Padres are the A’s of the NL West, convinced you can never rebuild enough times
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 17, 2011 11:06 AM PST up reply actions
They will have to spell it Cincinati now.
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 17, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I hope they sew "Cincinati" across the front of this jersey while he'swearing it
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Say wut?
extrabaggs
"Just your typical Giants scoring rally: A faceburger on the basepaths, two errors from the second baseman and a bases-loaded balk."
by Badly Browned on Dec 17, 2011 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
I wish I could think this was good for the Giants
But Grandal and Alonso are going to haunt us for years, and Volquez will probably no hit us twice next year.
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Pads block their top prospect with another prospect
Demolition of NL West team #2 by Josh Byrnes is well underway
Alonso played a lot of left field last year
So I’m guessing that’s where the Padres will put him. He seems to be pretty terrible in the OF, though.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Man the 2008 draft is full of prospects not yet living up to their potential
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Major_League_Baseball_Draft
Tim Beckham
Gordon Beckham
Brian Matusz
Pedro Alverez
Aaron Crow
Justin Smoak
Kyle Skipworth
Brett Wallace
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Thunder thighs!
Adopted father of Chris Lincecum, without whom (quite literally) Timmy would not exist.
Aaron Crow was good last year
but as a reliever
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
but the Giants picking Buster Posey doesn't count
because it’s so easy to pick good players in the top 10.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
Blown It Like Beckhams
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
to be fair, every draf's gonna have a lot of first round busts
Posey, Hosmer, Weeks, Alonso, and Crow all look like they’ll be solid to good.
It’s pretty hilarious how bad Skipworth has been, though, because the first mock draft (from BA, maybe) I saw that year had us taking him. Kinda glad we got Buster instead.
Also, re: that draft, what’s with Jason Castro? He was seen as a big overdraft, but then became a real prospect – and then was awful in 2010 when he got the call-up, and didn’t play at all this year. Was he hurt or what?
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Full deal
Reds Reds
Reds acquire SD’s Mat Latos for Yonder Alonso, Brad Boxberger, Yasmani Grandal and Edinson Volquez.
Is it February 19 yet?
i
Ok, if they got Grandal, this deal is a little better. Seems like a solid catching prospect.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
yeah, seems like a decent haul for the Padres
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I like having Latos over yonder.
…
No, this sucks. don’t hit p
My son, so I'm told. And this stalwart young lad (Hi, free f.p. #14!).
nyuck nyuck
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Did the Padres throw in the extra T
to sweeten the deal?
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Who wants to bet that Volquez will become annoyingly good in SD?
Belted!
by AndYourBirdCanSing on Dec 17, 2011 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
I was referring to both ends of a double header.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
That doesn't mean anything
Half the posters here could no-hit the Giants.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
/is afraid of this
2010 World Series Champions!
Adopted 'nephew' to the ever avuncular and always awesome Jon Miller
by Johnny Disaster on Dec 17, 2011 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
There is nothing like a good boxberger
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2011 11:23 AM PST up reply actions
The Phillies have agreed to sign Jimmy Rollins to a three-year deal with a vesting fourth year option, tweets ESPN’s Jerry Crasnick.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
The Phillies not only don’t have a Rainy Day Fund but sold it off for more swimwear, sun screen, and a trip to Aruba
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 17, 2011 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Funny how some teams start winning and they develop this “We must return to the world series at all costs” mentality…and others sit back and go “Well, that was nice. I guess we should do that again in 20-30 years.”
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
by Merope on Dec 17, 2011 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
rec
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2011 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
True and true but the Phillies have been spending like drunken sailors on a one-day bender in Thailand (apparently, I’m into metaphors today). Nobody knows where the money’s coming from or how long they can keep it up and LOL Ryan Howard contract
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 17, 2011 12:33 PM PST up reply actions
20-30 years?
optimistic!
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Ryan Howard will be getting paid roughly twice what Jimmy Rollins will be getting paid,
despite being roughly half as valuable.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Okay, I’ll say it. I’m over Bonds. At some point I got sick of dealing with it, the anti-Bonds media, Bonds’ douchiness (remember when he brought his kid out with him during a press conference to deflect the press?), the raging debates both here and elsewhere, and my own feelings about the matter. He was a dick and a cheater but he was also responsible for some of my favorite moments as a Giants’ fan. I wish he didn’t break the records, I wish the Giants didn’t treat him as their One Man Panda hat and built the entire team around him for years , and I wish the’00-‘03 teams weren’t so tainted by steroids. I guess what I’m saying is that Barry and I still need some time away from each other so I can make my peace with it all
I also think the Giants are perfectly justified in not wanting to have anything to do with him for awhile.
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 17, 2011 11:29 AM PST reply actions
I'd go back and forth on him, but it was the Sue Burns Memorial Game where I swore him off
Somber moment as different people’s attendance announced. They get to Barry and he’s waiving, smiling and blowing kisses to the crowd. It was McC night and we were two rows directly behind Mrs. Burns’ seats, so had a great vantage point.
Nice decorum, dude. It’s all about you.
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
Jeff Sullivan @LookoutLanding
I wonder if ‘is a lil bitch’ shows up anywhere in the Latos scouting report
Never in doubt.
by TimLincecumIsGod on Dec 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
a big bitch.
There's a First for Everything:
Edgar Renteria, The First World Series MVP in Giants History.
by Unitard on Dec 17, 2011 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Flem puts in request for his old outdoor AT&T parking spot
"It'll break your heart. It's designed to break your heart."
- A. Bartlett Giamatti
Anybody ever been to a cat show?
There’s supposedly a big cat show here in Sac Jan 6-8. I’m semi interested in going, but think it’d probably be boring.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
The people are more high-strung than the cats.
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2011 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
well it’s housecats, though supposedy one of them is “reportedly 25 percent African serval” and stands 19 inches high, so it’s a big housecat.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
i watched a documentary last night on wild relatives of cats (tigers, leopards, lions and the like) and dogs (wolves, foxes, hyenas, etc.) The cats were way more interesting, but I think it’s the reverse when it comes to their domesticated counterparts.
Comparing cats and dogs is not unlike
comparing desserts. Like, oh, say, cakes and pies.
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
Depends what you find interesting
Excpept for lions, cats are solitary. The dynamics of wolf, dog and hyena packs and the teamwork they display is pretty interesting, IMO
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
I’m tired and bored…
meh
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Christmas gifts wrapped. Homebrewed English pale ale finished and delicious. Ready to put Elf in the DVD player. Good day.
"Baseball is a red-blooded sport for red-blooded men. It's no pink tea, and mollycoddles had better stay out." -Ty Cobb
Mayor of Smug.
World's Worst Gift Wrappers
1. D4P
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
I’m great at wrapping, I worked for 4 years at a toy store. I don’t get much use for the skill now since it’s not too tricky to wrap gift cards.
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Having someone else to wrap gifts (and fill out Christmas cards)
is one of the primary reasons I got married (to a female)
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
giggle
hornsmd David Hornsby
REDs don’t win either way. Latos is too inconsistent and can’t overcome bad plays or starts. He is at best a #3 starter now
AT BEST
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I think Latos threw waaay too many innings in the Padres' run in 2010 and his arm paid for it last season.
I guess that’s pretty obvious. But I think he has a decent chance to rebound over the next few years. But Great American could obscure that rebound, too. Terrible park to send a headcase.
11 01 10
Veni Vidi Vixi
by WhereThere'sAWillieThere'sAMays on Dec 17, 2011 12:45 PM PST up reply actions
I remember the feeling when Barry was signed by the Giants
We are getting close to 20 years later and we still haven’t signed anyone exciting during that time. How the hell does that work? Oh yeah…the team has to make $$$ for the investors.
And since they are making $$$ they aren’t going to want to sell to a single entity that would actually give a shit about winning.
I used to be very confident that we were going to see a nice playoff run for the next few years and at least another championship. Now I have this horrible feeling in my gut that Sabean et al will squander (are squandering) one of the finest young pitching staffs we have ever seen.
Trading Jonathon Sanchez for Barry Zito is just ridiculous when you could have just signed Beltran and dumped Zito. FUCKTARDS!!!
It's the logo for my favorite band!
by positiveuphemism on Dec 17, 2011 12:16 PM PST reply actions
Even the optimistic guy is raging
go rowand
by lincypoo i wuv u on Dec 17, 2011 12:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm going to miss hating Mat Latos.
He was such a good villain. It won’t be the same with him on the Reds.
yeah
I was thinking about that this morning. 2010 had such a great narrative, and Latos was a big part of that, right down to getting slapped around on 162.
Thanks for being such a douche, Mat.
by Lies and Perfidy on Dec 17, 2011 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Short video starring Kitty Sanchez
Stick around for the deleted scene starting at approximately 3:04
Can't spell "Colletti" without LOL.
World Series DVD search
Can someone tell me the best place to get the DVD of 2010 WS. Happy Holidays y’all
I sit and await always faithful to the giants
by luved the stick on Dec 17, 2011 1:04 PM PST reply actions
Amazon's got pretty much all of their World Series DVD offerings on sale right now.
The ginormous $230 box set (which I think only goes up to 2008) is on sale for around $80, for example.
You might check there.
by DodgerFanInPackerLand on Dec 17, 2011 1:53 PM PST up reply actions
Wow, we gave Eli a major league contract? I find that surprising.
Matt Cain: He'll save children, but not the Dodger children.
I call him gerald. he’s a pristine white handkerchief, though? nediB eoJ Joe Biden ‽ Joe Biden.
I thought it was milb
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
CSN says milb
The most delightful ecumenical contradiction in nomenclature.
Dursh nerf darsh narf. Poop.
Weird. Official Giants Twitter says Major League
Giant Dirtbags: :(
Jeremy Affeldt is terrible.
by Giant among Angels on Dec 17, 2011 3:25 PM PST up reply actions
mlbtraderumors says its a major league deal
Quote from my adopted son Mike Krukow: "We're the Giants. We're San Francisco. And we're World Series Champions!"
by DFARowand on Dec 17, 2011 3:56 PM PST via iPhone app up reply actions
yup
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/giants-sign-eli-whiteside.html
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
Minor league.
But still unnecessary.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Crap – the first tweet I saw was wrong. It is major league. What the hell?
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
meh
meh
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
mayday
Brian Wilson: "Don't Quote Me"
Buster Posey: "I Ain't Havin' It"
Pat Burrell: "The Patural"
Aubrey Huff: "Let's Get Weird"
by slackersphere17 on Dec 17, 2011 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Mayday? What is it?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
HOW CAN WE AFFORD THIS
"There was no torture in the end. Only rapture." - Mike Krukow
Flags Fly Forever
"Orlando before Zod" doesn't have the same nice ring to it.
Official Sponsor of the 1997 San Francisco Giants
by nostocksjustbonds on Dec 17, 2011 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
For a player the quality of Eli Whiteside
money is no object
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Neither is the quality
Bold Prediction: Pablo Sandoval finishes 1st or 2nd in 2012 NL MVP voting. I'm Twittering now (well maybe not literally now): @GoofusMcP
This has been the worst offseason I’ve seen the Giants ever had.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
1992
sucked way more
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
Why 1992
If you are talking between 1992 and 1993, the Giants didn’t leave for Tampa and they signed Barry Bonds. I don’t remember 1991 and 1992.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
the possibility of the Giants leaving
was worse, yes.
The Dude: Oh boy. How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm once they've seen Karl Hungus.
They didn’t and they signed the greatest free agent signing EVER.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
There was no way to know that when the move was announced and rumors were swirling that Tommy Lasorda would be the new manager of the Tampa Bay Giants, though.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Pretty much the mid-aughts to 2010 off-seasons kind of sucked to unless you were super thrilled by the Zito and Rowand signings. Or the return of Aurilia
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 17, 2011 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
y'know
I was thinking: if Whiteside makes the team, it’ll be his fourth year as our backup catcher (well, sort of, since he became the starter last year, but that’s special circumstances). That seems like a really long time as backups go.
So I was trying to think: what other backup catchers have been with us that long? All I could come up with was Yorvit Torrealba, but he doesn’t quite make it: he was with us for parts of five seasons, but he played just 3 games in 2001, and we traded him midway through 2005, so he was only the backup for 3 1/2 years, really.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Also coming close: Bob Melvin and Jeff Reed, with three years each.
Glad to have the World Series win, but still waiting on my Kim Batiste bobblehead. GET OFF YOUR HANDS, GIANTS BRASS!!!!
Adopted Giant: Dave Dravecky, starting pitcher of the greatest regular-season game I've ever attended.
Buster Posey
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 17, 2011 3:59 PM PST up reply actions
Sign of the times (literally)?
Guy around the street from me had a huge, Budweiser styled Giants sign in his window that he’s had up since the 2010 WS. Just noticed that it wasn’t up anymore. Is this a sign that even the non-lunatic fringe has become completely demoralized by this offseason or did he just realize that the sign was really ugly?
by Dingoes Ate My Baby on Dec 17, 2011 4:02 PM PST reply actions
Maybe he got married
Carter Jurica!
"Has anyone really been for even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?"
by GrahamCrakalaka on Dec 17, 2011 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Dearest, Susan - The Patron Saint of Patience
by Lars The Wanderer on Dec 17, 2011 5:59 PM PST up reply actions
I'm watching Ohio-Utah State
Weird hearing Flem doing this game.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
This I had to say something about.
He broke records that belonged to people who didn’t have access to those specific enhancements.
It is my very firmly held position that the facts do not support the first-quoted statement above. Very, very firmly held.Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
—Daniel Patrick Moynihan
Whether he took substances supposed to produce enhancements, even if they by and large did no such thing, is a separate question; but so far as I understand the end product (or product to date) of all this seemingly endless to-ing and fro-ing, there has been no factual finding demonstrating even that, else he’d have been convicted of doing so. (It is part of the amazing farce played out by the jurors that a man can be convicted of lying about committing a crime that he cannot, on the available evidence, be convicted of having committed.)
Yet furthermore, great numbers of people with sufficient expertise to be entitled to an opinion, and who get paid mainly to think about such matters (they’re called medical ethicists), have mostly and for long made the case that use by athletes of performance-enhancing substances—even when they are effective—is not, and ought not to be considered, unethical.
So: 1) there is, even after heroic attempts to find it, no probative evidence that Bonds took proscribed substances; 2) there is a boatload of evidence that if he did, it wouldn’t have had any material effect on his absolute or relative accomplishments; and 3) most (I won’t pretend all, there are always witch hunters) expert ethicists see nothing wrong with athletes using them.
Those three statements are facts.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
by owlcroft on Dec 17, 2011 5:16 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Great post
but I have something completely different to say. I finally just Google Translated the Goethe quote in your sig, and I have to say, I enjoyed it very much.
by free f.p. #14 on Dec 17, 2011 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you.
It is actually a quotation of a quotation, in that Sherlock Holmes remarks it to Dr Watson; I am not a scholar of German, but I believe I have read that as Holmes put it (and as it is in my sig), it is not 100% correct German.
Ah, here we are:
"And I," said Holmes, "shall see what I can learn from Mrs. Bernstone, and from the Indian servant, who, Mr. Thaddeus tells me, sleeps in the next garret. Then I shall study the great Jones’s methods and listen to his not too delicate sarcasms. ‘Wir sind gewohnt das die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehen.’ Goethe is always pithy."
Correct version: Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen / Was sie nicht verstehn.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
interesting;
It is part of the amazing farce played out by the jurors that a man can be convicted of lying about committing a crime that he cannot, on the available evidence, be convicted of having committed
Is it that the burden of proof is not the same? Like how a civil suit does not require the same burden of proof as a criminal trail ( or so my time at OJU Law School would lead me to believe).
Over
by cybermaldonado on Dec 17, 2011 5:47 PM PST up reply actions
True.
The exact charge was “obstruction of justice”. That doesn’t alter the focus point, which is that despite jaw-droppingly immense amounts of time and effort poured into the entire matter, the government was unable to obtain a conviction on any of the many things they accused Bonds of doing that were (they claim) criminal acts. The best they could do was to hornswoggle a dozen doofuses into saying that giving wandering answers to questions about alleged crimes on which they could get no convictions was itself a crime. Anyone who thinks that makes sense can turn in his or her “human” membership card at the door on the way out.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Have you met my friend, Lester Munson?
There’s a reason he doesn’t practice anymore.
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Lester Munson,
now available for speaking engagements. And what better recommendation could you want than this:
“I consider Lester Munson to be one of the very smartest men in sports, as a writer and as a lawyer. I have marveled at his ability for some time.”
— George Steinbrenner
Remarkable.
Considering that that string of “Comments” must represent the best they could find. John Marshall Law School is ranked by the authoritative US News annual ratings as #140 nationally; that is, to use a term of art, piss poor.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
Yes, so I see.
For one supposedly knowledgeable in the law, he skirts (at that link) perilously close to defamation, even speaking of a “public figure” within the meaning of the act. I daresay that were Bonds given to swatting gnats, this—
There is no doubt that Bonds used steroids, and there is no doubt that he lied to the grand jury about his use.—would be a sound base for litigation.
As for credibility, this—
She is a San Francisco Democrat . . . .—says all anyone needs to know about Mr Munson.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
The last one, I didn’t understand what the point was. It’s not like the judge needs is on a case involving Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
I struggled with that statement as well. Are “San Francisco Democrat(s)” more likely to side with African-American defendants?
Or is he just implying that she is from San Francisco (hence, not adverse to BLB) and tossing the Democrat word in as what…bonus red meat?
As owlcrowft said…talk about surrendering one’s credibility…jeez.
Where have you gone John Johnstone?
by glenallen hill's waterpipe on Dec 18, 2011 7:23 PM PST up reply actions
ESPN does use another legal expert that says the whole thing was a complete waste of time: Roger Cosack.
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
So, he's the one that has some understanding of the law?
You keep calling in Affeldt. I don't think that means what you think it means.
Just deserts for Mr Munson
are doled out here by Mr Calcaterra. Don’t stop with the main article, because several of the comments are very informative as well.
Welcome back, Owlcroft
Obviously any links in the above post are probably NSFW
The baseball gods do not always punish the wicked but they will not just allow people to spit in their faces -- Joe Posnanski
Kudos, You are a sick, sick man, but you are very good at it -- wcw
Thank you, but . . .
. . . I’m not really “back”. This forum eats so much of my life during the season that I can’t afford to stay active in the off-season or I’d never get anything done. It’s just that this topic boils my blood.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
there is, even after heroic attempts to find it, no probative evidence that Bonds took proscribed substances
ESPN December 4, 2004:
(Barry)Bonds told a U.S. grand jury that he used undetectable steroids known as “the cream” and “the clear,” which he received from personal trainer Greg Anderson during the 2003 season.
…
According to government attorneys, BALCO founder Victor Conte has identified the designer steroid THG as “the clear.” A testosterone-based ointment was identified as “the cream.” Olympic sprinter Tim Montgomery testified that Conte used flaxseed oil containers to send “the clear” to athletes.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 17, 2011 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Oops, nevermind
Taking the Clear – the star drug of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative – was not a crime, according to expert testimony included in grand jury documents.
Not only was the performance-enhancing drug tetrahydrogestrinone (THG) not specifically banned when athletes squirted "The Clear" under their tongues to gain an edge, the testimony also indicates that the drug wasn’t categorized by the Justice Department as a steroid until January 2005, long after the drug laboratory had been shuttered.
…
The Cream, another creation of BALCO founder Victor Conte, was a 10 percent testosterone cream mixed with the masking agent epitestosterone. The drug was not meant to be anabolic, but to disguise the effect of anabolic drugs like the Clear from testers.
It’s illegal now:
Tetrahydrogestrinone (“THG,” “the Clear”)
It is listed under Schedule I of the Controlled Substances Act, meaning: 1) the drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse; 2) the drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States; and 3) there is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
by Grant_ME_MERCY on Dec 17, 2011 10:27 PM PST up reply actions
Which is beside the point either way . . .
. . . because I believe that what Bonds testified to was that he took “the cream” and “the clear” but not that he took them knowing that they were steroids of any sort. Whatever one’s personal thoughts on that, it remains so that “there is, even after heroic attempts to find it, no probative evidence that Bonds took proscribed substances”. [emphasis added]
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I read Grant’s quote above as more of a sarcastic jab at other eras using different enhancements, just not the specific ones Bonds probably did. I didn’t think Grant was trying to makes some statement about Bonds but more about almost every baseball player that ever played trying to use whatever they think is the latest advantage (uppers, cocaine, magnetic necklaces, a dozen hot dogs, voodoo, corked bats, etc.) and about holier than thou sportswriters and fans singling out steroids.
Just so.
I only realized some time after my post that it could be interpreted as assailing Grant and his post. I took, and take, the original post more as stating general perceptions than as a vigorous assertion of personal beliefs.
But I find it a never-ending battle trying to convince or remind people that no matter what they may think he did or didn’t do, and whether if he did this or that it was immoral, it all has nothing to do with his actual accomplishments. And I need also to again remind people that I am not The Lone Ranger here: quite a number of respectable, knowledgeable analysts have looked at the actual stats and applied analyses—different from one analyst to the next—and all concluded that, um, sorry, uh, actually, no evidence of any sort. Steroids are the Holmesian dog in the night time.
Professional baseball analyst since 1980.
Wir sind gewohnt, daß die Menschen verhöhnen was sie nicht verstehn.—Goethe
I really agree with most of this post.
Except:
Bonds almost certainly took advantage of chemicals that other players in baseball weren’t willing to
Come now- they were all on the juice… and still are are. In fact, ironically, the Giants lost the 2002 World Series to a bunch of juiced up athletes.
And comparing Bonds to Braun. Braun , is about 1000th the Brewer that Bonds is a Giant. Bonds may be more SF Giants than any player has been for any team (for the reasons mentioned in the post). He was born a Giant and then he saved the Giants. Without Barry the SF Giants no longer exist and we would never have been able to celebrate a World Series victory. It was Barry’s victory as much as it was anyone’s.
I watched almost every AB from Barry during his record setting 2001 season. I swear to this day that Barry only swung the bat and didn’t hit a fair ball about 4 times the entire season. Considering %80 of his fair balls went for home runs that year, I estimate he must have got those 71 HR on only about 100 swings.
Maybe my memory is a little rosy regarding that 2001 season. But not by much, not by much. Bonds really was so close to perfect for that one season.
Over
We went to see the Muppet Movie instead.
Mah-nah-mah-nah
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
I really enjoyed that one.
And also find it awesome to hear my 6 year old walking around singing “Am I a man? Or am I a muppet? If I’m a muppet, I’m a very manly muppet.”
The fact that Bret from Flight of the Conchords wrote the songs makes it even more awesomer.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU (AGAIN) [now with theme song]
I tweet (and occasionally blarg) | Your San Francisco Giants: "Together We're Broken!"
Ken Rosenthal:
The Cardinals did extensive background work on free-agent outfielder Carlos Beltran last week and maintain strong interest in him, according to major league sources.
Other teams remain in the mix, however, and Beltran is weighing a variety of two- and even three-year options, sources say.
…
Other free agents also could fit with the Cardinals if Beltran goes to another club. The Cardinals, sources say, have expressed interest in Coco Crisp, a switch-hitting center fielder, and Cody Ross, a right-handed hitter who plays all three outfield positions.
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
Were the Rockies ever dumb for paying Cuddyer instead of Beltran...
Yes, you can tell by my name that I’m a Rockies fan, but I wanted to let you know how bad I think our GM, Dan O’Dowd is. He’s been our GM for 12 seasons, guiding my team to the 12th best record over that span in the 16 team NL. He hadn’t signed an impact free agent in 11 years, not since the disastrous Hampton/Neagle twin signings. Finally, he breaks out the checkbook and squanders it on a 33 year-old (next season) corner outfielder who’s barely above-average in Michael Cuddyer, paying him $31.5 million over 3 seasons. Apparently, he opted for Cuddyer over the superior Beltran due to concerns over the latter’s knees, ignoring that Cuddyer had knee problems of his own, needing surgery after the 2009 season. Ahh, but our Danny Boy likes Cuddyer’s ability to play all corner positions on the diamond in a below-average manner. And he’s a swell guy for our “clubhouse culture”, whatever the hell THAT means.
He coulda had Beltran at 2/30, or less. Instead, he’s got Cuddyer at 3/31.5. Smart, eh? No wonder O’Dowd will experience his 13th season as GM without an NL West title.
I grew up a Giants fan, divorced myself from the team of my childhood (born and raised in Santa Rosa) when the Rockies came into existence in 1993 as I’m a Denverite in my adult years, and feel that may have been a major strategic error in my history as a sports fan. Hated Barry Bonds, and loved Matt Williams. When Williams was traded and Bonds kept, it sealed my decision to stay a Rockies fan. Now that “justice” has been served on Bonds, I feel it might be time for me to reconsider my allegiances. O’Dowd’s incompetence as a GM pushes me in that direction, just a bit. However, I probably will remain a Rockies fan as long as I stay in Denver.
Got a bunch of Giants baseball cards for a present today
Including these two:
Andres Torres was a track and field star at Miami Dade, running the 100 meters in 10.37 seconds, the second fastest recorded 100 meter time for all major league baseball players, behind Deion Sanders' 10.26
Damn,
Sharks are dropping like flies. Havlat’s hurt now?
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
You are rooting for the wrong teams
Every team you root for has a ton of injuries. Can you root for the LA Dodgers, NY Yankees and Dallas Cowboys?
Still the father of two-time Cy Young Award winner Tim Lincecum.
"Failure is not fatal, but failure to change might be." - John Wooden
Maybe tomorrow I’ll root for the Tebows :P
Adopted Giant: Eddie I Have It Grant.
TSFGWTWS DESPITE Botchy, not BECAUSE of him.
then there will be 50 articles about rule changes needed for the NFL
to “protect” “quarterbacks”………
Haters Gonna Hate
by Wreckonized on Dec 18, 2011 12:41 AM PST up reply actions
Eh, nobody gets a free pass, especially when it comes to sports.
I love sports, I do, I love it entirely too much sometimes, but I will never give anybody the benefit of the doubt or become an apologist just because someone can swing a bat or dunk a ball, etc. It’s inconsequential in the bigger picture of life.
Yeah, many of those things can make impacts on our lives, many of them can lift our spirits, but it’s nothing but selfish sentimental reasons to give somebody a pass for the bad things they’ve done.
All these comments and I'm the 20th one to Rec this post? Come on people...
"I have talent that's there, but I just have the mentality right now that I just want to be the greatest. And I don't think that any other player has that right now." -DeMarcus Cousins
by Noble_Bloodlines on Dec 19, 2011 8:54 AM PST reply actions
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